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Lounge => General Computers and Gaming => Topic started by: Bella on November 30, 2007, 12:27:50 am

Title: MEWXPZLFUDAWV Club!
Post by: Bella on November 30, 2007, 12:27:50 am
(http://ostan-collections.net/imeeji/albums/userpics/10570/MEWXPZLFUDAWV_logo4.png)

Welcome to the Mac Evangelists, Windows XP Zealots, Linux Fans and Unix Disciples Against Windows Vista Club!

Somehow a comment I made snowballed into this club. Honestly, I can say I didn't see that coming :P  It was either me or C-Chan who was going to start this thread, so I went ahead. It came from a crazy idea...what if these four incredibly different, and occasionally contentious, groups of OS fans were to see...in light of recent events...that maybe they aren't so different after all.

Please take this thread with a grain of salt, and good humor. It's meant to be a bit satirical. Be civil and factual when posting, no flaming allowed, and there's no rule against posting in favor of Vista. As long as it's kept friendly! I'd post more, but I'd like to see the input from the other co-founders.

*If I get in trouble for this...*

*wanders off*
Title: MEWXPZLFUDAWV Club!
Post by: Darknight_88 on November 30, 2007, 12:43:45 am
This is why I can't be nice to you linuxers/unixers >: /

WAR



...
also, somewhat [barely] related screenshot :D

(http://img227.imageshack.us/img227/2899/desktopwipqf8.jpg)
Title: MEWXPZLFUDAWV Club!
Post by: C-Chan on November 30, 2007, 02:01:15 am
Awwwwwww... there's XP-chan cutely infiltrating your Vista machine.  ^__^

In any event,..... -v-

YEEEEEEEEEEEEHAWWWWWWWWW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  ^V^

The MEWXPZLFUDAWV Club is officially open!!!!!!!!!  ^-^

Thank you, Bella the Great, for a most successful Grand Opening!!!  ^____^

Don't count on me for extra input, though, since I'm teetering on the brink of sleep-deprivation as it is.... and besides, I'd rather just CELEBRATE!!!!!!!!!!  ^V^

(http://www.ogdencity.com/img/import/images/Pioneer%20Days/Fireworks.jpg)

Added after 1 minutes:

Oh yeah, and wish a warm welcome to the upcoming PicoPC's:

http://linuxdevices.com/news/NS6395777363.html

...courtesty of our resident Linux-sama. ^___^
Title: MEWXPZLFUDAWV Club!
Post by: Siya on November 30, 2007, 02:41:44 am
*waves a little MEWXPZLFUDAWV banner*  

Yay!  The club is made!
Title: MEWXPZLFUDAWV Club!
Post by: C-Chan on November 30, 2007, 11:31:44 am
For the UNIX DISCIPLES.... a very cute article.  ^________^

http://www.linuxjournal.com/node/1005754

Ahhhh,... how I yearn for the good ol' days.... ^.^

(BTW, a lot of potential OS-tan ideas too,... didn't realize there was a
"Venix")

Added after 1 minutes:

Oh, and I'll be working on a new signature today for our club,... one of many since, as y'all know, it's Open Sauce....  

http://ostan-collections.net/downloads.php?view=detail&id=102

Please stand by.  ^___^
Title: MEWXPZLFUDAWV Club!
Post by: IanDanKilmaster on November 30, 2007, 07:01:10 pm
Wave the banner with pride fellow anti-Vistaers!

Worry not, for we need only hold out for two years, that is until the Vista enthusiasts start their war against Windows 7! ^0^

edit: Almost forgot, do we have any BSD-ers on this forum?  If not, I may end up being the very first once I convert one of my older PCs to BSD.  I'll let you guys know how it goes.
Title: MEWXPZLFUDAWV Club!
Post by: Darknight_88 on November 30, 2007, 07:18:55 pm
Quote from: "IanDanKilmaster"
Worry not, for we need only hold out for two years, that is until the Vista enthusiasts start their war against Windows 7! ^0^


lol no


Spoilers: I don't have anything against XP or previous Windows OS'es. Nor against the next Windows OS. I think the same applies for most Vista users...

-_-'
Title: MEWXPZLFUDAWV Club!
Post by: Bella on November 30, 2007, 08:03:04 pm
QuoteThis is why I can't be nice to you linuxers/unixers >: /

WAR


I wish I could be known as a "Linuxer or Unixer" XD

And nice pic! Is that an XP-tan cosplaying? :P

But I would just like to point out one thing...I have nothing against anyone for using any OS they want. I don't have to use your computer, after all. No, what I dislike is the notion that "just because it's the newest OS, it's the best" or "just because it comes with 95% of new PCs it must be better than (insert lesser known/older OS)"

I should also note that I like (NT-based) Windows; I don't dislike Vista for the simple fact of being an M$ product. But I dislike a company releasing an OS that's loaded with DRM, untested code, too high of hardware requirements and bad hardware detection, and SPP, and having the gall to price it for $250+ and say it's better than (insert lesser known/older OS).

Without above mentioned features, I probably wouldn't have such a beef with Vista.
Title: MEWXPZLFUDAWV Club!
Post by: Techno the fox on November 30, 2007, 08:33:12 pm
The MEWXPZLFUDAWV has it's own topic now?

Thank you "Bella the great"

^_^ Heheheh..

Oooh, look at *Staaaaares at C-chan's sig*
Title: MEWXPZLFUDAWV Club!
Post by: NejinOniwa on December 01, 2007, 07:36:24 am
Quote from: "Darknight"edit: Almost forgot, do we have any BSD-ers on this forum? If not, I may end up being the very first once I convert one of my older PCs to BSD. I'll let you guys know how it goes.

Ho? Interesting! Keep us posted on your adventures with...the little devil. -w-
Title: MEWXPZLFUDAWV Club!
Post by: C-Chan on December 01, 2007, 12:17:36 pm
Quoteedit: Almost forgot, do we have any BSD-ers on this forum? If not, I may end up being the very first once I convert one of my older PCs to BSD. I'll let you guys know how it goes.


I tried dabbling with DesktopBSD a while ago, but it didn't quite work out.  Had much better luck with PC-BSD, but only on virtual console.  Ironically, FreeB-chan is not particularly newbie-friendly.  ^___^;

QuoteI wish I could be known as a "Linuxer or Unixer" XD


Oh, we can call ourselves anything in this business. ^.^

QuoteBut I would just like to point out one thing...I have nothing against anyone for using any OS they want. I don't have to use your computer, after all. No, what I dislike is the notion that "just because it's the newest OS, it's the best" or "just because it comes with 95% of new PCs it must be better than (insert lesser known/older OS)"


Daijoubu, Bella-sama.  ^___^
The fact that the greatest peacemaker in the OS-tan world founded this clube means speaks volumes for the civility.  (now you see what I meant, right?)

But even Ghandi had people that hated him, so you just have to resign yourself to the fact that,... well,.... there will always be classic cases of projection which turns martyrs into maggots, and gentle sheep into rabinous wolves.  ^.^

QuoteOooh, look at *Staaaaares at C-chan's sig*p/quote]

Thank you, I made that quickly in a few minutes.  One of the many things you can do with an open-sauced SVG file available for download here at our forum!  No charge!  ^__~

Anyway, sorry to leave it at that, but my battery on my EeePC-chan's about to give.  C ya all later!  ^^
Title: MEWXPZLFUDAWV Club!
Post by: Darknight_88 on December 01, 2007, 12:28:47 pm
QuoteBut even Ghandi had people that hated him,

But Ghandi promoted social critique and whatnot, not "hey, lets haet the british" . Your banner is more about hate than critique >_>.


And since this is on the OS-tan subforum, I fear this might derive into OS-tan hate.
Which of course, I won't tolerate ¬¬
Title: MEWXPZLFUDAWV Club!
Post by: CaptBrenden on December 01, 2007, 02:19:23 pm
Humm.. I see Im going to have to watch this thread closely.

I have never once attempted to squash anyones opinions about anything.   Heck I enjoy a good passionate debate about a subject, dispite some people not being able to have a discussion without being personaly offended if people dont agree with them.  But darknight is right, dispite the founders opening statement about the civilness of this thread its got all the makings of well.. a hate group.

You guys have dozens of threads across the forum in which you discuss your beefs with vista, the pros and cons of differnt oses, etc... Heck, dispite the whole OStan fandom starting with the most well known windows-tans, I'd say a good portion of this forum (at least the actively posting) supports all of your "open source yadda yadda" oses and the like.    

And also, like he said, this isnt in the "computer disscusion" area, this is in the OS-tan fanfics, comics, and fan stuff,  so a "anti vista" thread here is more or less against the tan, not the system.  I could move your thread to the appropriate sub-forum if you like.

Tho nothing has been done in the thread currently (cept the dubbius nature of the way its... potrayed)  I cant say I have a reason to lock or close it, but like I said, Ill be watching it closely.  Id advise everyone to concider not posting in this thread due to formentioned resons, and Id also advise everyone that intends on posting in it to be careful how they word their "civil discussion."

Remember, OS-tan Hurt/Heal was taken down because of putting OS-tan against OS-tan.  This topic falls dangerously close to that.
Title: MEWXPZLFUDAWV Club!
Post by: Darknight_88 on December 01, 2007, 03:18:00 pm
ok, just posting here in order to explain my point of view to avoid creating drama >_>

It's ok If you want to discuss about why you don't like Windows Vista. No one here is a superior entity with rights to decide who's wrong or who's right about their choice of OS (as Bella already pointed). Nor it's wrong to point the flaws of a certain object. Heck, even when I don't share most of your views towards the software industry, I don't think it's wrong to discuss that.

But If people are going for that, I think that the computer & gaming subforum would be a more appropriate place to discuss OS'es.

...
now, yeah, I called this a "hate thread". In the same satirical spirit this thread is supposed to be kept. Now, before anyone comes here claiming that the capt and I are just trying to impose "Windows superiority" (when the open source is majority T_T), just take the words of the Capt. as a warning reinforcing the first post on this thread: take this as a satire, with humor. But please keep serious discussions about the OS in the computer & gaming forums. Otherwise, this thread derives into "serious business".
And when that happens, the term "hate thread" becomes also serious T_T-

srsly, OS-tans =/= serious business T_T
Title: MEWXPZLFUDAWV Club!
Post by: C-Chan on December 01, 2007, 05:53:22 pm
Fufufu,,.,. the party crashers arrived far later than I thought.    ^^
Probaby tied up in forum games.  -v-

In any event, glad they're here, cause this is a valuable lesson on the trials and tribulations that await us, brave members of the MEWXPZLFUDAWV (surely you didn't think it was gonna be all fun and games, right?)  `v'

Here we have a classic marketing, borderline-psyops ploy used to disrupt and destroy an opposing group.


In other words, here's our first taste of classic FUD.

"Fear, Uncertainty and Doubt"

It is a terrible and dramatic thing, I know.,  -v-

But don't worry, cause as long as one stays confident, resolute, focused, law-abiding and reasonable, there's nothing to fear.  ^____^

So your first mission,...

.
.
.

Post.  ^v^
Nothing more nothing less than just post a lot and as you normally do.  

Cause as a wise person once said:

"First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win. "
Title: MEWXPZLFUDAWV Club!
Post by: Tsubashi on December 01, 2007, 07:42:11 pm
...
I am saddened at the current form of discussion. Please don't argue; this is not a hate club. Our club name doesn't call vista names, it doesn't discriminate against those who use the system, Technically we don't even say it's a bad system. Suppose we had called it  "The People Who Don't Use Vista Club?" In essence they are the same thing. We share a common aspect: we have no desire to use Windows Vista. I echo the words of our honorable leader, Bella-sama: [Keep it] friendly!

Now enough about club opposition, and onto news from the department of Mac affairs. ^.^
An interesting tidbit I picked up from the Wine mailing list: Leopard is able to load and understand Windows Portable Executable (PE) files which is the common format for Windows applications and libraries. Nifty, eh? Of course, some people are saying that Apple is integrating Windows virtualization into Mac OS X itself. Not an entirely new rumor, but one that is starting to show some substantiation!
Title: MEWXPZLFUDAWV Club!
Post by: Bella on December 01, 2007, 08:18:58 pm
Darnit, am I supposed to post or not? ;)

I cannot speak for anybody else, but my personal feelings are:

-This concept started satirically and jokingly, and I want to keep it this way! I've always had a good sense of humor and enjoyed a bit of fun being poked at the things I hold dear (be it my country, beliefs, heritage...or much less serious things like OSs).

-I'm not a contentious person by nature, and like to keep the peace...I try to give everyone, whether or not I agree with or not, a chance to explain their side. I think the truth in life lies on neither side, but the middle.

-I don't want this to be an OS-tan vs. OS-tan kinda thing. Politics aside I like Vis-tan; she's a beautiful and befitting character design. I also want to keep the users out of it, as I think Darknight and the Capt. are both great people, excellent and unique artists, and add a lot to this forum! I try not to let petty things get in the way of who I socialize with.

-I would like to reiterate, I have nothing against Windows, Vista or MS; What I do dislike is companies messing with the consumer. If Apple or a Linux distributer up and decided to change things around with their OS and made it *less satisfactory in the eyes of many*, I'd oppose them too.

-We have to remember, these are OSs. This is not a life-and-death matter. I've always had an odd fascination with OS zealotry, how some users can have a religious-like zeal about the program running their computer, and consider all other OSs garbage and their users idiots. Luckily, I don't think we have a single person like that at our forum.
I might be sounding hypocritical about now...after all, I really love XP. Truth be said, I sometimes feel silly for my attachment to this OS, but I am not a fan of XP exclusively, love to try different things, and I recognize there are OSs better than the ones I like. Whether they're better for me, however, has yet to be determined.

Perhaps the OS-tans add a certain layer of drama and interest to inanimate OSs, which is probably why I like the concept ;)

I agree with the Capt. that this thread should perhaps be moved to the computers and gaming section, too. Furthermore, I applaud Darknight for taking this with some humor ;)

QuoteCause as a wise person once said:

"First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win. "


Ahem...perhaps the third part should be "then they debate you" and the fourth, "then you come to a amiable concordance" ;)

QuoteNow enough about club opposition, and onto news from the department of Mac affairs. ^.^
An interesting tidbit I picked up from the Wine mailing list: Leopard is able to load and understand Windows Portable Executable (PE) files which is the common format for Windows applications and libraries. Nifty, eh? Of course, some people are saying that Apple is integrating Windows virtualization into Mac OS X itself. Not an entirely new rumor, but one that is starting to show some substantiation!


Does that mean OS X may be able to run some Windows applications?
Title: MEWXPZLFUDAWV Club!
Post by: Tsubashi on December 01, 2007, 08:29:27 pm
The Great Bella-sama has spoken, thus there is no more room to debate! ^v^
The doubters have had their say, have given their warnings. I don't think anything more needs to be said on the subject, please?
Well, except... Bella-sama didn't give a definite answer to moving the thread. ^^'

QuoteDoes that mean OS X may be able to run some Windows applications?


Well technically OS X has been able to run some windows apps under a special port of Wine, but now it seems to natively support some apps. Nifty feature, I think ^-^
Title: MEWXPZLFUDAWV Club!
Post by: IanDanKilmaster on December 01, 2007, 08:37:54 pm
Why do I know this is going to seem like I'm waffling? -__-

I think the Capt and Darknight have made quite a good point, this thread is really, really rife with the potential for flamebait.  I commend Bella on her subject description for this thread because I think it properly sets the tone as being satirical, but despite that each of us feel very strongly about what is and isn't our OS of choice and those feelings lend themselves very easily into flamewars.  I believe that I share the same concern as Darknight when I say that it might not take too long for any of us to take this "crusade" too seriously (and that is, if it should ever get serious at all).  Keep in mind, how many of us would still feel as good-humored once an anti-Linux or anti-Mac thread got started (not that I expect it, just stating it hypothetically)?

While not really as major an issue, this thread's presence in OS-tan discussions should probably be resolved.  I would suggest that this thread be dedicated to solely artwork relating to the topic, but I think that anti-Vistan (I mean, artwork that actually depicted Vistan in it) art would end up being bonafide grounds for flamebait.  So I suppose this would be best placed in Computers & Gaming, but I'm concerned as to how that might give the impression that we're having a serious discussion.  Without better suggestions, I'm glad this really isn't my call.

To reference my earlier post, I apologize if that came across as an actual attack.  While the comment may have had some small bit of spite attached, I assure you I only meant it as a rib (not a very good one, but still I was only kidding).  Furthermore, I also realize that I should've noticed my ribbing was directed not at the OS itself, but the users and for that I also I apologize.

P.S.  If parts of this post seem a little late, it's because it took awhile to type and after I hit the post button I was presented with a notice that let me know that there had been posting since I started to type.  So I think Tsubashi and Bella each covered some ground in their posts that I suppose I'm simply retreading.  Sorry but there was alot of things I wanted to say and it would take me awhile to edit the posts to remove dated content.
Title: MEWXPZLFUDAWV Club!
Post by: CaptBrenden on December 01, 2007, 09:19:47 pm
Then its pretty much decided. This is about the OS itself, not the tan, and thus shall be moved to the computers and gaming subforum.  I have many more things to say on the subject, but as they do the forum no good and they are personal opnions and feelings on the subject and there are no room for such as a mod I will simply move the thread and monitor it as nessicary.  

The topic has already been flagged for possible problems, so please be very careful what you say in the thread and think about it before you say it.
Title: MEWXPZLFUDAWV Club!
Post by: Bella on December 01, 2007, 09:30:15 pm
Good call, Captain :)

Honestly, I'd rather use my "system resources" for better stuff than bickering about which OS is better than another. Let's keep it intelligent and friendly...Tsubashi bringing up the Windows/OS X compatibility is a good point of "Windows/Mac friendliness" ;)
Title: MEWXPZLFUDAWV Club!
Post by: C-Chan on December 01, 2007, 11:47:48 pm
Awwww,... you moved the thread to the Computer section far too quickly.  And I had so much cute art planned with our quadruple OS-tan team..... ;___;

...

Oh wait a sec,... I don't have the time to draw all that....
So I guess this works out for me after all,.... -v-

*C-chan puts feet up and lazily shuffles paper around pretending to be busy*

In any event, congratulations y'all for surviving your first challenge admirably.  ^^

You've reiterated that the mission objective is about the Vista OS, as stated during our founding discussions -- cause after all, wouldn't it be insane to pick a fight with 1,275,045 Vistans?  The fact that the girls in the logo are just tugging a flag is another dead giveaway.  -v-

In any event, kudos to Tsubashi-san for his awesome new banner, Bella-dono for her proven leadership, and Mr. Batman who, although sounding abrasive at times, is at heart just playing along.   That's why I love to kid around with my paisano. ^.^

Our local moderator still needs to lighten up, but probably will as he discovers that this thread is as tame as the forum section it originally belonged to.

I admit I have trouble lightening up in some of the other lounge threads, which is why I never visit them anymore.  A damn shame to since I love some of the MSPaiint Jobs,... but alas, it's all in the name of Equivalent Trade.

Added after 3 minutes:

In any event, time for less sap, more news:

http://www.zdnetasia.com/news/business/0,39044229,62035012,00.htm

Fufu!  Now I only have to worry about fetching news articles!  ^v^

*skips off in search of more*

QuoteAhem...perhaps the third part should be "then they debate you" and the fourth, "then you come to a amiable concordance"


No fair,... I wrote that when the thread was still comedic satire.  ^0^
Title: MEWXPZLFUDAWV Club!
Post by: C-Chan on December 03, 2007, 02:11:44 pm
(http://techdigest.tv/aleutia_e1_1.jpg)

Chalk one up for a VERY creative computing solution!  ^___^

http://www.aleutia.com/offgrid/

Brought to you by a certain little puppy....  Â¯v¯
Title: MEWXPZLFUDAWV Club!
Post by: Bella on December 03, 2007, 04:22:18 pm
O________O Wow. That's incredible!

*Makes me want to draw a survivalist Puppy-chan...XD*
Title: MEWXPZLFUDAWV Club!
Post by: Techno the fox on December 03, 2007, 11:23:17 pm
Bwahahah!
The MEWXPZLFUDAWV is still up and running strong.
I've always been one to stick with a club or social group throughout the toughes of trials and attacks.

Now, onto the matter.

Woooooow..

*Stares in awe at the Aleutia computer*

Niiiice!

*Thumbs up*
Title: MEWXPZLFUDAWV Club!
Post by: C-Chan on December 04, 2007, 01:45:49 am
Fufufu... oh okay, I lied about not putting artwork here.  Or rather, I REALLY wanted to be lazy, but you guys inspire me to make these silly things. ^^'

A big round of applause to Bella-san for the idea.... -v-

http://ostan-collections.net/imeeji/albums/userpics/10570/PuppyRyoga.png

This was a new type of speedy one-shot drawing I'm trying to practice with.  The time limit was set at 1 hour, but my fussiness ended up extending it to two.  Either way, I think it works out and has shading, background and anything.  

Once i add a few more touches, make the clouds a little sharper, and put my real self in vector form (didn't have access to my SVG graphic from my laptop), then I'll Open Sauce her tomorrow!  ^V^

Now how's that for an Aleutia promotion?  ^______^

Added after 2 minutes:

Oh, and yeah,... I'm burnt out too.  XvX

*snore*  -___- Zzzz
Title: MEWXPZLFUDAWV Club!
Post by: NejinOniwa on December 04, 2007, 06:56:46 am
Oh hell, i WANT one of those... *fawn*
Just the type of thing you need when mountain hiking. -w- WANT WANT WANT, PUPPY-CHAN!!! >W<
Title: MEWXPZLFUDAWV Club!
Post by: NekOSaka on December 04, 2007, 10:15:31 am
Damn... can't-fight-Inu... Now all I need is the actual spare money and effort to buy one... I guess my lacking those is my own way of fighting the cute... Wow, I fail... but the fail is helping me win? XP

... But if I loose I get the Inu... Do I want to win!? What do I do!? *mind breaks*

*curls up into ball* Get it together... Get it together... Get it together... Get it together  Get it together... Get it together... Get it together
Title: MEWXPZLFUDAWV Club!
Post by: C-Chan on December 04, 2007, 10:36:23 am
QuoteOh hell, i WANT one of those... *fawn*
Just the type of thing you need when mountain hiking. -w- WANT WANT WANT, PUPPY-CHAN!!! >W<


Fufu... I know what you mean,.. the UltraPortable package is REALLY cool because it comes with foldable solar panel, foldable keyboard, trickle chargers and other goodies.  Sadly, when stuff is valued in pounds, you KNOW it can't be cheap.  ^^;

QuoteDamn... can't-fight-Inu... Now all I need is the actual spare money and effort to buy one... I guess my lacking those is my own way of fighting the cute... Wow, I fail... but the fail is helping me win? XP

... But if I loose I get the Inu... Do I want to win!? What do I do!? *mind breaks*

*curls up into ball* Get it together... Get it together... Get it together... Get it together Get it together... Get it together... Get it together


No problemo, NekOsaka.  ^__^
I hear that when engaged in a dilemma on whether or not to succumb to the blind subservience of a cute puppy girl,... you can always kick your shoe into the air and see where it falls to decide.  ^.^

================

Later today I'd like to start a new mini-Project assembling a list of all known energy-efficient and/or small form-factor computers that are as daring and interesting as the Aleutia above.  ^___^

In the meantime, some brief Vista news....

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/7126902.stm

and an opinion piece on MinWin....

http://techiqmag.com/2007/12/03/maximum-wait-for-minwin-windows-70/
Title: MEWXPZLFUDAWV Club!
Post by: Bella on December 04, 2007, 09:00:11 pm
QuoteFufufu... oh okay, I lied about not putting artwork here. Or rather, I REALLY wanted to be lazy, but you guys inspire me to make these silly things. ^^'


Hey, I already have a Valentine's day pic planned for posting here :P
But...onto topic....
O. M. Freakin. G.

I didn't see hiking survivalist Puppy-chan coming! Too cuuuuuute! ^_^ I love her Aleutia backpack XD

And in a couple of hours? That's great!

QuoteDamn... can't-fight-Inu... Now all I need is the actual spare money and effort to buy one... I guess my lacking those is my own way of fighting the cute... Wow, I fail... but the fail is helping me win? XP

... But if I loose I get the Inu... Do I want to win!? What do I do!? *mind breaks*


Ahhhh, doggirls. Catgirls get all the publicity, I've always thought doggirls were underated...

QuoteFufu... I know what you mean,.. the UltraPortable package is REALLY cool because it comes with foldable solar panel, foldable keyboard, trickle chargers and other goodies. Sadly, when stuff is valued in pounds, you KNOW it can't be cheap. ^^;


It's a carbon-footprint free computer!

QuoteIn the meantime, some brief Vista news....

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/7126902.stm

and an opinion piece on MinWin....

http://techiqmag.com/2007/12/03/maximum-wait-for-minwin-windows-70/


Well, these are certainly steps in the right direction  ;010

As much as I hate to admit it, MinWin is starting to intrigue me...
Title: MEWXPZLFUDAWV Club!
Post by: C-Chan on December 05, 2007, 01:20:22 am
QuoteI didn't see hiking survivalist Puppy-chan coming! Too cuuuuuute!  I love her Aleutia backpack XD

And in a couple of hours? That's great!


Thank you, Bella-san.  ^^
However,....... you do know who Puppy-chan is cosplaying, right?  It's kinda 10x times as cute if you do -- certainly would explain the strange clothing and the USB umbrella and,... well,... also my presence.  ^.^

In any event, I'll be loading up the "Special Sauce" shortly.  ^__^

QuoteIt's a carbon-footprint free computer!


I have another link to the Aleutia that REALLY shows how awesome the Ultraportable package is.  Stand-by for upload in T-Minus,... whatever....  ^___^'

QuoteWell, these are certainly steps in the right direction

As much as I hate to admit it, MinWin is starting to intrigue me...


Fufu,... well one of the comments indicated that,... if M$ was desperate to come out with a better product in so little time, they could just yank FreeBSD, stuff Windows API's into it, then just disguise the whole thing so that it looks homebuilt.  Course,... then it'd have to be called "WinOSX"... fufufu....  ^v^;

Added after 3 hours 42 minutes:

Okay,...

Time to unload the goods.... ^^

First, a finalized Aleutia-promoting PuppyLinux-tan:

(http://ostan-collections.net/imeeji/albums/userpics/10570/PuppyRyogaFinal.png)

Then, the super secret Sauce available to download and modify GPL style:

http://ostan-collections.net/downloads.php?view=detail&id=104

Then, a link to remember for my soon-to-be Small Form Factor Identification Project:

http://www.linuxscrew.com/2007/12/03/solar-tiny-pc-linux-sweeeet/

And then....

Sleep.  ^^'

*snore*  -___- Zzzzz
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Post by: Bella on December 05, 2007, 04:51:09 pm
QuoteThank you, Bella-san. ^^
However,....... you do know who Puppy-chan is cosplaying, right? It's kinda 10x times as cute if you do -- certainly would explain the strange clothing and the USB umbrella and,... well,... also my presence. ^.^

In any event, I'll be loading up the "Special Sauce" shortly. ^__^


Vaguely...someone from Ranma ½?

*goes off to Wikipedia*

*Returns*

And yet another piece of the puzzle falls into place! :P

QuoteFufu,... well one of the comments indicated that,... if M$ was desperate to come out with a better product in so little time, they could just yank FreeBSD, stuff Windows API's into it, then just disguise the whole thing so that it looks homebuilt. Course,... then it'd have to be called "WinOSX"... fufufu.... ^v^;


That would be the final sign of the apocalypse O_______________O

QuoteThen, a link to remember for my soon-to-be Small Form Factor Identification Project:

http://www.linuxscrew.com/2007/12/03/solar-tiny-pc-linux-sweeeet/


Wow. I didn't realize just how tiny it was until seeing those pix!

And I'll check out that vector sketch...those clouds interest me....;)
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Post by: Kyo-Chan on December 05, 2007, 07:35:46 pm
I have joined
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Post by: C-Chan on December 07, 2007, 12:16:07 am
Hi hi hi!!!
Sorry, just quickly passing through!  Busy as a Bee today,... worked on Linux stuff yesterday evening, so didn't have a chance to post earlier....
Will do so tonight,... have OODLES of stuff to reply too.  ^.^;

In the meantime, just dumping these here since I don't have my UsB stick here:

I'll fix them up later....  C ya in a while!  ^0^

...

PS:  Yo Mr. Banana!  Long time no see!  ^^

Added after 7 hours 27 minutes:

'Kay, I'm back.  ^^

And dug up this rather interesting article as well....

http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20071205-microsoft-feeling-heat-from-linux-in-budget-flash-pc-market.html
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Post by: C-Chan on December 09, 2007, 12:02:49 am
Back yet again, but still WAY behind (currently helping out getting PCLinuxOS fully compatible with my darling EeePC-chan.  ^^

Speaking of which, I reckon she qualifies as a lower-power, SFF laptop so might as well mine a few links for her too.  ^^

Start with this one that I loved today....

Asus EeePC
==========
http://sourcesmouth.co.uk/blog/Forget-the-Linux-Desktop-it-s-the-Linux-Laptop-that-matters.html
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Post by: Bella on December 09, 2007, 12:18:41 am
All these articles make me feel like my computers are HUGE! I can't decide if that's in a good or bad way, though :P

At any rate, I have a conspiracy theory: If Google is big on open-source and Linux....I think Yahoo is supporting MS...

Hear me out...They recently ran articles critical of Apple products, and in their recent low-price laptop article, there was nary a murmur about any of these low-price Linux machines that have been cropping up. What think you?
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Post by: C-Chan on December 09, 2007, 12:40:12 am
I think it might be a way to butter up relations for a repeat of this little fiasco;

http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/05/04/microsoft-pursues-yahoo-takeover/
http://blogs.computerworld.com/node/5474

Course if that were ever to come to be, so long faithful webmail address.  ^^;

Course, it could just be the pursuit of common interest.  Yahoo is proprietary and still runs on proprietary systems, whereas Google is a strong proponent (and beneficiary) of open source.  So for Yahoo to promote open source systems might be like a competing farmer watering his rival's crops.  Similar conspiracy theories have been labeled at Dell and their botched attempt at selling Ubuntu machines -- of course they never intended to make them front-page material because they could theoretically undermine their business (you know,... get people used to the concept of replacing their PCs every 10 years, rather than 2 or less.  ^^;
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Post by: Bella on December 09, 2007, 03:24:50 pm
Hmmm...I knew my 'spiracy sense was tingling for a reason!

In light of this and my boycotting M$ policy...

*To the Gmail!*

No, I dunno yet. I hate changing email addresses : |
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Post by: C-Chan on December 10, 2007, 03:48:04 pm
Me too,... I've kept mine for years and still can't fathom the thought of switching.  TT;
But if pushed into a corner,... maybe.....

In any event, found a very interesting opinion piece on the OLPC + Windows here, although the comments for me are the true highlight:

http://www.linuxtoday.com/infrastructure/2007120601326NWHWMS#talkback_area

While it's not altogether impossible to strip-down XP enough to fit within such limited hardware, what would happen with the software,... and how do they hope to do this when they plan to discontinue support for XP next year?  Sad too that they can't even fathom the thought of using Windows 2k or Windows 98 instead.  

Suddenly, there seems to be a motive why they're so interested in making MinWin as light as possible.  Perhaps a tacit acknowledgment that the future could very well belong to smaller, lightweight, energy-efficient, portable devices?  (one could draw tons of parallels with cars right about now... ^^')

Also,... while they're not officially club members,.... here's a bit of interesting OS/2 news:

http://advice.cio.com/esther_schindler/should_ibms_os_2_be_open_sourced
http://blogs.the451group.com/opensource/2007/12/10/open-source-or-not-ibm-owes-os2-world-an-answer/
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Post by: C-Chan on December 11, 2007, 02:18:51 pm
More OS/2 news.  ^__^

http://www.os2world.com/content/view/15847/1/

Added after 2 minutes:

And ZOMG!!!!!!!!!!!!

It's possible that we have a new contender.... ^^

http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS6962839488.html
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Post by: Bella on December 11, 2007, 11:20:28 pm
Oh, wow....I really hope they open source OS/2!

It would be the closest thing we'll probably ever see to open source Windows...! But considering IBM, I wouldn't get my hopes up : |

As for the Everex gOS laptop...awwww....I gotta admit I was hoping it'd be a bit...bigger...;) I'm quite used to desktop replacing laptops, and our 14'' notebook even seemed tiny to me not to long ago...
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Post by: C-Chan on December 11, 2007, 11:48:37 pm
GAAAAAAAAAH!!!  XvX

*collapses*

....I thought you'd be a little happier that the Everex lappy were a mini... and cheap at that.  ^^;

But don't let your guard down,... this is BIG news, and you can bet our good friends at Redmond will scratch, claw and spit to get at a piece of the action... ASAP.    ^___^

QuoteOh, wow....I really hope they open source OS/2!

It would be the closest thing we'll probably ever see to open source Windows...! But considering IBM, I wouldn't get my hopes up : |


Me neither, but then a few years ago Sun open sourcing Java would've been unheard of.  Plus I saw the original letter sent to the IBM execs, and it does at least suggest particular components of OS/2 that are [supposedly] 100% IBM owned, and thus have no M$ weight to them.  But yes,... as one of the authors correctly pointed out,... what incentive do they have to go back and sift through 20 years of notes and JUNK -- potentially landing themselves in legal problems even with a minor slip-up -- just to open source something they'd rather forget forever and ever to begin with?  ^^;
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Post by: Tsubashi on December 12, 2007, 01:18:06 am
QuoteOh, wow....I really hope they open source OS/2!

It would be the closest thing we'll probably ever see to open source Windows...! But considering IBM, I wouldn't get my hopes up


... T_T
Like Senpai said, there's way too much politics involved in this to hope. I hoped for a long time (and still do, to some extent) but IBM drags their feet, so to speak. I think I pretty much gave up all logical hope when they withdrew support and whatnot. The whole thing is a big mess, I don't think even they know what all is going on. As far as I can tell, they don't have any PR people for it, and almost all the original developers are long gone. It's a tangled web, and one that I don't think will be undone, sadly. Ah, well. Guess I'll have to live with my old beta CD. ^.^

*sigh*
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Post by: Kami-Tux on December 13, 2007, 02:20:05 pm
Can I be a member as well? I sure hate Windows Vista for being bloated, DRM-ridden, unfree, buggy, activation-requiring and cycles-wasting! And 98 for similar reasons (but even more because I have to use it sometimes)!
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Post by: NejinOniwa on December 13, 2007, 04:49:06 pm
I'll let you in on a secret, Tux-dono.

YOU ARE ALREADY A MEMBER .W.
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Post by: Bella on December 13, 2007, 09:56:05 pm
Quote...I thought you'd be a little happier that the Everex lappy were a mini... and cheap at that. ^^;

But don't let your guard down,... this is BIG news, and you can bet our good friends at Redmond will scratch, claw and spit to get at a piece of the action... ASAP. ^___^


I dunno, maybe it comes from the fact that while I kinda dislike desktops and prefer laptops, I don't need a ton of mobility for mine. K8 hardly ever ventures from her desk....

As for M$, didn't they already try that with the Origami?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ultra-Mobile_PC

http://www.channelinsider.com/article/Microsoft+Preps+Ultramobile+PC+for+Second+Chance/181124_1.aspx

Quote... T_T
Like Senpai said, there's way too much politics involved in this to hope. I hoped for a long time (and still do, to some extent) but IBM drags their feet, so to speak. I think I pretty much gave up all logical hope when they withdrew support and whatnot. The whole thing is a big mess, I don't think even they know what all is going on. As far as I can tell, they don't have any PR people for it, and almost all the original developers are long gone. It's a tangled web, and one that I don't think will be undone, sadly. Ah, well. Guess I'll have to live with my old beta CD. ^.^

*sigh*


That's the terrible thing about the computer business (or just business in general), that a lot of good OSs get passed up for lesser ones because of more marketability, cheaper prices, etc. etc. And you probably know which OS I'm talking about : |

But I think that applies almost exclusively to proprietary ones...this is probably another reason why I like Linux and other open-source OSs...

QuoteCan I be a member as well?


See: Nejin's reply ;)

But yeah, you could be the Head Open Sourceress!

QuoteI sure hate Windows Vista for being bloated, DRM-ridden, unfree, buggy, activation-requiring and cycles-wasting! And 98 for similar reasons (but even more because I have to use it sometimes)!


Me too : /

But aside from that, I have no complaints :P

QuoteI'll let you in on a secret, Tux-dono.

YOU ARE ALREADY A MEMBER .W.


LOL to the MAX! XD
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Post by: NejinOniwa on December 14, 2007, 06:46:44 am
QuoteLOL to the MAX! XD

And THAT's why I'm the Minister of Propaganda. -w-
...or should i say...Minister of One-liners? XD
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Post by: C-Chan on December 15, 2007, 12:15:40 am
QuoteCan I be a member as well? I sure hate Windows Vista for being bloated, DRM-ridden, unfree, buggy, activation-requiring and cycles-wasting! And 98 for similar reasons (but even more because I have to use it sometimes)!


Wow!  I haven't seen you in forever.  Â¯v¯
So many Linux-tans and BSD-tans have been drawn since you last visited, that you'd think this were another forum....  Â¯.¯

Sure you can be a member, but post nicely.  ^___^
M$ has been doing great at inadvertently bashing itself, so all we really need to do to tip the tide in our favor is extoll the virtues of non-Vista systems.  ^v^

For example,... a coworker of mine was thiiiiiiiiiiis close to purchasing a high-priced Dell Laptop (w/Vista of course) to give to his daughter who's WAY too young to even carry the thing.  But after I lent him my Asus EeePC so that he and his daughter could use it for the night,... well,...

Suffice to say, they were so imperssed, he not only ordered one, but TWO in fact (for someone else?) -- AND he still had plenty of money left over for many more gifts!!!  ^V^

QuoteAs for M$, didn't they already try that with the Origami?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ultra-Mobile_PC

http://www.channelinsider.com/article/Microsoft+Preps+Ultramobile+PC+for+Second+Chance/181124_1.aspx


BWAHAHA!!!  ^v^
For sure they've been around,... heck, you can even make the case that PocketPCs (with CE-chan) are true ultra-mobiles (although they're far from full-fledged OSes).  

But ever checked the price on any of those?  `v'

When I bought my Eee-chan, she was surrounded by big laptops, as well as miniature 10-inch laptops and 7-inch internet tablets close to her size.  But Eee-chan was probably the only one with a 3-figure price.  ^___^;

QuoteThat's the terrible thing about the computer business (or just business in general), that a lot of good OSs get passed up for lesser ones because of more marketability, cheaper prices, etc. etc. And you probably know which OS I'm talking about : |

But I think that applies almost exclusively to proprietary ones...this is probably another reason why I like Linux and other open-source OSs...


....Let me pull out of rank to interject this one flamboyant protest chant..... ^^

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FREE AMIGAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  ^0^

QuoteAnd THAT's why I'm the Minister of Propaganda. -w-
...or should i say...Minister of One-liners? XD


Good-o job-o!  ^.^

==========================

In any event, have some more news from the OS/2 front!!

First,... and aptly-named article:

http://www.informationweek.com/blog/main/archives/2007/12/hey_ibm_set_os2.html

But more importantly,... there's also mention of this at the eComStation site as well:

http://www.ecomstation.com/

Among the many commercial beneficiaries of an open-sourced OS/2, these guys should rank high up there too.  ^^
Heck... just the fact that it took them 2 years to release candidate 3 of version 2.0 speaks volumes of proprietary inefficiency.  ^.^
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Post by: Bella on December 15, 2007, 01:40:04 pm
QuoteWow! I haven't seen you in forever. ¯v¯
So many Linux-tans and BSD-tans have been drawn since you last visited, that you'd think this were another forum.... ¯.¯


Heehee...yeah, even the Goddess has shown up! And FreeBSD-chan too, we know cause people's lunches keep going missing! :P

QuoteSure you can be a member, but post nicely. ^___^
M$ has been doing great at inadvertently bashing itself, so all we really need to do to tip the tide in our favor is extoll the virtues of non-Vista systems. ^v^

For example,... a coworker of mine was thiiiiiiiiiiis close to purchasing a high-priced Dell Laptop (w/Vista of course) to give to his daughter who's WAY too young to even carry the thing. But after I lent him my Asus EeePC so that he and his daughter could use it for the night,... well,...

Suffice to say, they were so imperssed, he not only ordered one, but TWO in fact (for someone else?) -- AND he still had plenty of money left over for many more gifts!!! ^V^


Wow, that's pretty incredible...!

Quote....Let me pull out of rank to interject this one flamboyant protest chant..... ^^

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FREE AMIGAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ^0^


Oh yes, free Amiga, world peace, all that jazz...

I think we should be thankful for what we've got. Open source Multics.

If only more people had mainframes to spare :P

(http://www.multicians.org/mulimg/h6180-doors-open-big.jpg)

QuoteIn any event, have some more news from the OS/2 front!!

First,... and aptly-named article:


Hmmmm...I had a thought....I wonder if IBM wants to keep OS/2 down cause an open sourced version could take too much business away from Linux, which they support a helluva lot more....?

And as a funny little story, yesterday I saw a new Mac ad. Where they were saying the fastest machine Vista ran on was a Apple computer.

After watching that, I felt all dirty O_____O
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Post by: NejinOniwa on December 16, 2007, 05:14:37 am
QuoteOh yes, free Amiga, world peace, all that jazz...

I think we should be thankful for what we've got. Open source Multics.

If only more people had mainframes to spare :P


Heh! Well, then I guess you won't be disappointed by the piece of news I've got. THIS is good things for the old lady, if anything!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b1WWpKEPdT4&feature=related
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Post by: C-Chan on December 18, 2007, 01:13:14 am
Hold that though!  I'll be back.  ^^

*dumps random but semi-relevant news story*

http://arstechnica.com/journals/linux.ars/2007/12/13/running-xubuntu-on-the-eee-pc
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Post by: C-Chan on December 25, 2007, 11:45:25 pm
Sorry, forgot what I wanted to "hold that thought".  ^^;

In any event, don't mind me as I post this as a matter of..... *clears throat* ...personal pride.  ^_________^

More Than 350,000 Asus Eee PC Laptops Sold Thus Far
http://www.mobilemag.com/content/100/333/C14140/
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Post by: Bella on December 26, 2007, 10:28:27 pm
^ Such self-promoting!

Good for Asus! Even if I am a bit attached to my huge, 7-pound desktop replacing laptops :P
This could do wonders for bringing Linux to the "(niche) mainstream", perhaps sort of like Apple did for Unix with OS X.
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Post by: C-Chan on December 27, 2007, 12:40:51 am
Fufu... speaking of which.....

Here's another story that's been circling around lately regarding the OLPC....

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20071224/ap_on_re_la_am_ca/one_laptop_one_village

As you know, I'm less enthused about this project; however, it does at least point out the merit of efficient computing when there is no infrastructure in place.  Kind of how some developing countries which could not afford to lay hundred of miles of telephone and cable lines, simply jumped straight to wireless technology.  

A previous article I posted about Macedonia made mention of highly cost-efficient server+thin client setups to meet educational needs which not only seemed cheaper (en masse) and easier to get off the ground, but also put more power into local management.  Course, cost-efficiency and self-sufficiency are in some instances inadequate when addressing a lack of power infrastructure and socio-political instability.

(The OLPC at least addresses the former thing with that manual pull crank, but as they're still not very clear about its so-called anti-theft protection I can't say there's much of a grasp on the latter. )
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Post by: C-Chan on January 04, 2008, 02:10:21 pm
Wow....
Not 100% Vista-related, but certainly sounds like a forced-upgrade scheme.....  ^^;

http://blog.wired.com/monkeybites/2008/01/microsoft-offic.html
http://www.consortiuminfo.org/standardsblog/article.php?story=20080103134307872

Also, I'm not even sure if I want to call this a competitor to the EeePC cause,... honestly,... it just don't look it.....  But oh well, let's keep piling them on.... ^^

http://www.mobilemag.com/content/100/333/C14188/
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Post by: Kami-Tux on January 05, 2008, 06:02:44 am
/me fixes this incompatibility! With OpenOffice!

(I think my parents will not upgrade their Stoneage MS Office anymore... they have too many old files... I think some of their .docs are still Word 5.0 or Word for Windows 2.0)
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Post by: Bella on January 05, 2008, 01:28:41 pm
Oh man. I'm really temped to install Open Office ;)
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Post by: NejinOniwa on January 07, 2008, 11:24:10 am
Why don't you? Follow your temptations, lady! ^_^
(that way, you can dye your hair pink as well XD)
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Post by: C-Chan on January 07, 2008, 01:31:13 pm
To quote from Nejin,... "MOAR" Pink!!!!!!!!  ^v^

In other news, I was recently thinking about all the UMPC devices that promise to also include versions compatible with Windows XP (even the lowly OLPC), and wondered why on earth they keep pushing XP-tan around like cattle when they've already vowed to discontinue sales of her this year.  It's almost like saying they'll supply copies of Windows 98 for use on the OLPC, which would actually work better with the lower specs, but runs completely counter to their policy.  They would neither sell it to you, and even if they did they wouldn't support it.

Which brings me to things like this which, despite the fact that it doesn't work, at least highlights the fact that there are a lot more "Bellas" out there:

http://weblog.infoworld.com/enterprisedesktop/archives/2008/01/xp_petition.html?source=rss
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Post by: Bella on January 07, 2008, 08:30:14 pm
QuoteWhy don't you? Follow your temptations, lady!
(that way, you can dye your hair pink as well XD)


I'm unsure about the whole, pink hair thing, but as for OpenOffice...I dunno. Laziness mostly, I rarely use Word...

QuoteTo quote from Nejin,... "MOAR" Pink!!!!!!!! ^v^

In other news, I was recently thinking about all the UMPC devices that promise to also include versions compatible with Windows XP (even the lowly OLPC), and wondered why on earth they keep pushing XP-tan around like cattle when they've already vowed to discontinue sales of her this year. It's almost like saying they'll supply copies of Windows 98 for use on the OLPC, which would actually work better with the lower specs, but runs completely counter to their policy. They would neither sell it to you, and even if they did they wouldn't support it.

Which brings me to things like this which, despite the fact that it doesn't work, at least highlights the fact that there are a lot more "Bellas" out there:

http://weblog.infoworld.com/enterprisedesktop/archives/2008/01/xp_petition.html?source=rss


It's sickening what they're doing with XP (though the same could likely be said for 2k as well) : |

I mean, I've been running XP for 4 years, I've had one BSOD (back in the fall of 05'), but it did an automatic system restore to an early state and I haven't had one incident yet. It's caught two viruses (winter 05'), back when I was using IE 6. After taking more precautions, I haven't gotten one since. I'm considering buying an XP installation disk or whatever, in case I want to run/install XP when I inevitably get a new computer ;)

As for 98 on OLPC....ehmmmm....I'm sure the world is aware of my thoughts on non-NT Windows (IE, a trainwreck!)
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Post by: NejinOniwa on January 08, 2008, 07:42:59 am
Quote
It's sickening what they're doing with XP (though the same could likely be said for 2k as well) : |

I mean, I've been running XP for 4 years, I've had one BSOD (back in the fall of 05'), but it did an automatic system restore to an early state and I haven't had one incident yet. It's caught two viruses (winter 05'), back when I was using IE 6. After taking more precautions, I haven't gotten one since. I'm considering buying an XP installation disk or whatever, in case I want to run/install XP when I inevitably get a new computer

As for 98 on OLPC....ehmmmm....I'm sure the world is aware of my thoughts on non-NT Windows (IE, a trainwreck!)

Oh, come on. At least give the poor chaps W2K for their trouble. Also, windows 98 was an even larger trainwreck than the other non-NT windows.
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Post by: C-Chan on January 09, 2008, 01:44:20 am
Sorry for the quick post, but just wanted to dump some news about cool Linux-based gadgets shown at CES:

http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS6231914514.html
http://www.slashgear.com/ces-2008-iriver-wing-umpc-079492.php
http://www.zapnat.com/2008/01/07/linux-based-video-glasses-create-54-virtual-screen/

As well as for shameless, mini laptop owner-equivalent of baby pictures..... ^__________^

http://asia.cnet.com/reviews/notebooks/0,39050495,62035943,00.htm
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Post by: C-Chan on January 10, 2008, 12:34:48 am
Dumping more articles pertaining to [possibly] my next laptop, or at the very least another mainstream cheap Linux UMPC....

http://www.electronista.com/articles/08/01/09/everex.cloudbook/
http://www.notebookreview.com/default.asp?newsID=4187

It bests the EeePC in storage and Operating System (the ability to install +17GB of software is a big deal!), although it won't be as rugged due to the use of a traditional hard drive.  Plus there are no details whether the version of gOS used has been customized for fast bootup times the way the AsusOS was (which averages 8-10 second bootups.).
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Post by: C-Chan on January 11, 2008, 11:14:57 am
Woohoo!  KDE 4.0 has been released today!  ^v^

http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20080111-kde-4-0-rough-but-ready-for-action.html
http://www.computerworld.com.au/index.php/id;934507983;fp;4;fpid;1968336438

Which isn't particularly newsworthy now, given there are still a lot of usability features that have to be addressed now that a wider audience will be testing it.

But among many other exciting features that will become apparent over the next couple of months, work is on the way to make compatible versions for Mac and Windows (I assume OSX and XP respectively).  Not only would that be a breakthrough in cross-platform diplomacy, it would also allow me to run KOffice and Krita natively whenever I have to use a WinBox.  ^^

In other news, the new GBook has been announced (although I don't like the price):

http://www.slashgear.com/ces-2008-everex-089524.php

And the compact desktop maker Shuttle is releasing $200 mini Linux boxes too:
http://www.engadget.com/2008/01/08/shuttle-launches-199-kpc-linux-box-99-barebones-kit/
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Post by: Bella on January 11, 2008, 08:20:15 pm
Hmmm...so, KDE could be used as a desktop environment in OSX and Windows? That's cool, but it seems a bit too adventurous to me ;)

That GBook is SHARP! I thought they were only making an UMPC version, which I probably would be too interested in (as I've said before, my laptop is my desktop). But the GBook has about the same specs (even better, I'd say) as our HP notebook...

And those Shuttle PCs are so cute ^_^
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Post by: NejinOniwa on January 11, 2008, 08:38:07 pm
KDE FOR WINDOWS!?!?! HONTO KA!?

Ah, life is beautiful. Goodbye, explorers of all kinds.
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Post by: C-Chan on January 17, 2008, 10:33:51 am
On the cute mini Linux machine front.....

More news on the Cloudbook, plus the uber-cute little gPC Mini:

http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2008/01/10/ces_everex_battles_eee_pc/
http://www.laptoplogic.com/news/detail.php?id=4219
http://www.everex.com/press/Everex%20gPC%20mini%20ET2102%20Detailed%20Specification-v1.0.pdf

And in semi-related news (relevant to Office 2007), an article debunking a lot of trash talk from a previous article denouncing ODF in favor of the "superior" OOXML format:

http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20080116214144572
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Post by: Bella on January 17, 2008, 08:19:32 pm
Today I was reading PC World, what I thought was a blatantly Windows-centric magazine...despite that, they had glowing articles about OS X Leopard (!), excellent reviews of Macs (!!), they gave Ubuntu a lot of mention, it got a rating of 95 points and was their product of the month, calling it one of the greatest reasons for a Windows fan to try out Linux (!!!)  

And the EeePC got a mention too, among it's specs they listed "percent of name that's E: 60%".

And I LOL'd.

*shuffles outta here*
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Post by: C-Chan on January 18, 2008, 01:28:02 pm
Gya!  I'm so proud of my baby girl!  ^___^

Funny story,... I accompanied a friend of mine to buy a MacBook today, and, low-and-behold, what did I end up doing for 30 minutes flat?

....Yep, talking about my EeePC to the Apple sales clerk AND curious onlookers.  If not for the fact that I eventually helped my friend pick out a MacBook, I'd swear I was gonna get booted off that store for "selling" a competing product (although I made it a point to call it a "complimentary" machine).  ^.^;
[Interestingly-enough, we were all collectively disappointed that the Macbook Air was not a UMPC as some of the rumors stated -- cause obviously from all the cooing and attention-grabbing, cute little laptops sell.  ^__^]

In any event, couldn't help but feel like Lt. Colonel Maes Hughes brandishing photos of Elysia.  ^v^'

As for the Macbook itself, it was very neat.  Had a futuristic magnetic AC power coupling-thingamajig and everything.  But by GAWD, I had forgotten how HUGE 13" laptops are.....  ^______^;

Added after 14 hours 29 minutes:

FYI,... Bella-san, HELP!!!  ^0^

(with the comments section.... ^^)

http://eng.cnews.ru/news/top/indexEn.shtml?2008/01/15/283177
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Post by: Bella on January 18, 2008, 05:49:58 pm
QuoteFunny story,... I accompanied a friend of mine to buy a MacBook today, and, low-and-behold, what did I end up doing for 30 minutes flat?

....Yep, talking about my EeePC to the Apple sales clerk AND curious onlookers. If not for the fact that I eventually helped my friend pick out a MacBook, I'd swear I was gonna get booted off that store for "selling" a competing product (although I made it a point to call it a "complimentary" machine). ^.^;


LOL!

Better than when I showed off Puppy Linux to a Mac loving relative...all I got was a furrowed brow : /

Quote[Interestingly-enough, we were all collectively disappointed that the Macbook Air was not a UMPC as some of the rumors stated -- cause obviously from all the cooing and attention-grabbing, cute little laptops sell. ^__^


Oh, those cute little laptops...

But I gotta admit...

I likes my desktop replacing laptops :P

QuoteIn any event, couldn't help but feel like Lt. Colonel Maes Hughes brandishing photos of Elysia. ^v^'


OMG! An FMA reference!

QuoteFYI,... Bella-san, HELP!!! ^0^

(with the comments section.... ^^)

http://eng.cnews.ru/news/top/indexEn.shtml?2008/01/15/283177


I had always heard that Linux was pretty big in Russia (or was gaining popularity)...hopefully some of our western school systems will take notice of this :P
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Post by: C-Chan on January 22, 2008, 07:41:37 pm
Excuse me, Bella-samaa.  Please cover thine ears....  ^__^

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Thank you.  ^.^

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*EXPLETIVE!* *EXPLETIVE!* *EXPLETIVE!* *EXPLETIVE!* *EXPLETIVE!* ;^0^;

http://www.vnunet.com/vnunet/news/2207805/ibm-going-open-source
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Post by: Aurora Borealis on January 22, 2008, 08:35:11 pm
^ That totally sucks! What a freakin' bummer!

Heard about that on Fark today.

The submitter agrees too... In the "Sad" category with the headline of "OS/2 isn't getting open-sourced, ever. Which is a shame, since it's still better than Vista"
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Post by: C-Chan on January 22, 2008, 08:41:53 pm
EEEP!!! AURORA-SAMA, SINCE WHEN?!!!!!  @0@

*feels shame*

I'M SO SORRY!  I SOILED YOUR DELICATE EARS!!!!!!  ;^0^;

*utters expletive*

OOOPS, I DID IT AGAIN!!!!!!  ;^0^;

*bawls*

NOOOO!!!  I JUST QUOTED A LAME, OUTDATED QUOTE!!!!!  *EXPLETIVE!!!!!!*  ;^0^;

....

GAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  ;^0^;
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Post by: Bella on January 22, 2008, 11:23:32 pm
Hey, C-Chan, I'll fill in those expletives for you...

fsck!!!!

But this is what really broke my heart: "ibm-going-open-source" in the URL. For one millisecond I thought a miracle had occurred -___-

But I guess OS/2 has the unfortunate obstacle of possibly having M$ code. And IBM doesn't want M$ litigators and/or goons coming after them.

But wait...I dunno if it'll never get open sourced. Let us look at Multics; OS/2 and Multics share a few things in common, both were too advanced for their own good, shunned by their companies, have had important influence on competing OSs, and have had long painful declines while keeping a small but loyal userbase. And in one case the users have actually gotten their source code (though it's quite useless at of now).

*Lesse, Multics started to decline in the 70s, development was canceled in 1985, it effectively died in 2000, was opened in 2007....*

*OS/2 has been going downhill for years, but is not quite dead yet...*

*gets out calculator*

*haphazardly smashes hand against keypad Stephen Colbert-style*

Mmmmhmmm....by my humble calculations, we will see OS/2 open sourced by IBM in the year...2027! Save the date people!
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Post by: Tsubashi on January 23, 2008, 12:40:53 am
QuoteBut this is what really broke my heart: "ibm-going-open-source" in the URL. For one millisecond I thought a miracle had occurred -___-


You're not the only one. I was wondering why senpai was defaming it so vehemently; I was anticipating a vastly different page. Drat! I had my hopes up for this petition! ;_;
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Post by: NejinOniwa on January 23, 2008, 11:08:22 am
It is the fate of things, now, to be abandoned and rejected by their creators, it seems. We'll just have to hope for things to get better sometime.
There there *patpats crying userbase* ^-^
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Post by: Bella on January 23, 2008, 06:05:19 pm
QuoteYou're not the only one. I was wondering why senpai was defaming it so vehemently; I was anticipating a vastly different page. Drat! I had my hopes up for this petition! ;_;


Yeah, a more accurate name for that page would have been "ibm-doing-what-we-knew-they-would" : |

QuoteIt is the fate of things, now, to be abandoned and rejected by their creators, it seems. We'll just have to hope for things to get better sometime.
There there *patpats crying userbase* ^-^


You're not helping my XP Persecution Complex, Nejin :P
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Post by: C-Chan on January 24, 2008, 01:56:48 pm
Here's something to help turn the tide of persecution for Bella-sama.  ^__^

http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2008/01/23/eee_pc_japan_launch/

Admittedly, though,... I'm not altogether down with this.  XP has an OEM life of about another 5 months.  Combine that with the too-good-to-be-true deal, and either it sounds like bait of some kind OR Asus is trying to sell off all their XP licenses somehow (you know,.... like an EVERYTHING MUST GO sale).  ^.^;

Okay, so maybe there IS a certain persecution thing after all,... but hey, might as well take advantage of the bargain, no (mainly for the SDHC card and mouse)?  ^___^

Better than this, more honest offer:

http://www.howardcomputers.com/systems/detail.cfm?Model=EEEPC&pmnuid=2
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Post by: C-Chan on January 25, 2008, 02:19:21 pm
As if it were bad enough that OS/2 didn't get Open Sauced.....

Behold my latest heartbreaker....

http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?command=viewArticleBasic&taxonomyName=laptops&articleId=9059060&taxonomyId=66&intsrc=kc_top

*cries*  ;____;
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Post by: Techno the fox on January 25, 2008, 03:04:48 pm
*Reads article on OS/2*
Oh.....Ohhh.....What a let down..-_-


A moment of silence for OS/2 -tan.
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Though, perhaps I can lighten the mood in the gloomy topic with this little vid. You do like small laptops don't you C-chan?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W7askBmF4_c

Compact, sleek, and sporting Leopard. ^_^
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Post by: C-Chan on January 25, 2008, 03:07:18 pm
And not viewable from my current location (due to firewall).  T____T

*C-chans mood goes from dark to postal*

GAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  ^0^

*initiates Piggy Madness Syndrome and runs off on murderous rampage*
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Post by: C-Chan on January 29, 2008, 01:28:09 pm
Source of pride, here.... ^_____^

http://www.computerworld.com.au/index.php/id;1163450117;fp;16;fpid;1

I love these kinds of stories.  ^.^
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Post by: Dos on January 29, 2008, 02:12:34 pm
A war of the OStan They be no winner in this war

Dos, The M*A*S*H os
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Post by: C-Chan on January 29, 2008, 02:32:28 pm
GYAAAAAAAAAH!!!!  YOU CAME!!!!!  ^V^

*hugs and squeezes DOS-tan*

Damn, your cute as a button.  ^^

Don't know what this "mash" stuff is, but makes me hungry....
Let's mash up some cookies for this young DOS girl!  ^0^

*skips off to kitchen*

Oh, and here's a new challenge.  Find anything exciting in the news,... about DOS (of any kind).  ^.^

Added after 12 minutes:

*returns with cookies*

Wow,... never realized how hard it was to find DOS stories in the news,....... that wasn't related to DoS attacks.  ^^;

But I did find this heart-wrenching piece:

http://news.zdnet.co.uk/leader/0,1000002982,39292416,00.htm

Oh,... OS/2-sama..... ;^-^;
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Post by: Dos on January 29, 2008, 03:02:59 pm
MASH is a TV show from the 70 to the 80 about being in a MASH unit from Korean war and MASH is short for Mobile Army Surgical Hospital. I hope i have some band aid s around here so any OS that get hurt;269  ;slurp;
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Post by: C-Chan on January 29, 2008, 03:18:34 pm
Oh no, we haven't had any OS fighting in a LOOOONG time.  ^__^

Now we just talk about cute, cheap, little laptops:

(http://unicap-imaging.org/images/eeepc_sizecmp.jpg)


*pander pander*

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ASUS_Eee_PC
http://www.everex.com/

Incidentally, you and your FreeDOS sister work great on these.  ^.^
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Post by: Dos on January 29, 2008, 04:15:06 pm
Ok i see so i don't need the band aids yet
-dos
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Post by: C-Chan on January 29, 2008, 04:19:27 pm
Not yet,... but you look so cute carrying them around, I'd rather you just do so anyway.  ^___^

*starts rummaging around for Nurse outfit*

I suppose if we're anything like the S.O.S. Brigade, you'd be our Mikuru.  ^v^

*keeps rummaging*
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Post by: Techno the fox on January 29, 2008, 04:28:09 pm
Regarding the Macbook Air:
Well, it's thin but not small. A major turn-off for me is the fact that it doesn't come with a CD drive. -_- I did notice how apple's spokesman did put in a word about Itunes though... Shameless advertising? (Yes, without a Optical drive they'll be forced to use our pay services!) Though I've seen M$ do alot worse. I'd still perfer an EeePC.

Hey Dos! Welcome to the MEWXPZLFUDAWV club ^_^

Quote from: "C-chan"Source of pride, here.... ^_____^

http://www.computerworld.com.au/index.php/id;1163450117;fp;16;fpid;1

I love these kinds of stories. ^.^


^_^
Yeah, you never see anyone giving vista to kids in other countries.

Now, I'm off! I shall return when I have more news...and small laptops..
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Post by: C-Chan on January 29, 2008, 04:33:34 pm
Bring more small laptops!!!  ^v^

*starts rummaging for bunny seat for DOS-san*

I don't mind it not having the optical drive -- I mean with the right technology, you could potentially obsolete optical disks.  But by GAWD it's just a thin laptop,... and for all intents purposes, not really much better than the cheaper Macbooks.  

Granted we now have much thinner processors thanks to this,... but... not much else in the innovative department....

And no user replaceable battery it seems either.....

.....

Oh.... well.....

Cloudbook for me now.  ^___^
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Post by: Dos on January 29, 2008, 04:57:45 pm
laptops are okay but they over heat very fast and you really can up gate than. Okay i keep the band aids around. Some cookies sound good right now

"Go off to make cookies
Start to sing"cooking is so fun cooking so fun let  break see what we have done YAY IT'S READY!"
-Dos
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Post by: Bella on January 29, 2008, 05:45:30 pm
QuoteSource of pride, here.... ^_____^

http://www.computerworld.com.au/index.php/id;1163450117;fp;16;fpid;1

I love these kinds of stories. ^.^


Wow!

QuoteA war of the OStan They be no winner in this war

Dos, The M*A*S*H os


Dos speaks the truth!

QuoteDon't know what this "mash" stuff is, but makes me hungry....
Let's mash up some cookies for this young DOS girl! ^0^


You've never heard of M*A*S*H? For shame :P

QuoteBut I did find this heart-wrenching piece:

http://news.zdnet.co.uk/leader/0,1000002982,39292416,00.htm

Oh,... OS/2-sama..... ;^-^;


Look on the bright side! OS/2 will be open sourced in only...oh, 22 years!
But in sappy news...why am I seriously wanting to draw OS/2-sama...@__@

QuoteRegarding the Macbook Air:
Well, it's thin but not small. A major turn-off for me is the fact that it doesn't come with a CD drive. -_- I did notice how apple's spokesman did put in a word about Itunes though... Shameless advertising? (Yes, without a Optical drive they'll be forced to use our pay services!) Though I've seen M$ do alot worse. I'd still perfer an EeePC.


QuoteI don't mind it not having the optical drive -- I mean with the right technology, you could potentially obsolete optical disks. But by GAWD it's just a thin laptop,... and for all intents purposes, not really much better than the cheaper Macbooks.

Granted we now have much thinner processors thanks to this,... but... not much else in the innovative department....

And no user replaceable battery it seems either.....


Yeah, I ain't impressed very much : |

No replaceable battery? WTF? What happens when you wear the battery down?!
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Post by: C-Chan on January 30, 2008, 10:06:24 am
QuoteStart to sing"cooking is so fun cooking so fun let break see what we have done YAY IT'S READY!"


Aha!  You know what this calls for now, no?  ^^

*starts rummaging around for flying Chiyo pigtails*

QuoteYou've never heard of M*A*S*H? For shame :P


It's one of those things I've heard the name of, but never really had the chance to watch it for myself.  Other notable iconic mysteries to me are:  Lost, Dr. Who, All My Children, Dragonball Z (or x,y,whatever?), etc, etc, etc....

Maybe if I could break myself out into multiple C-chans.  -v-

QuoteLook on the bright side! OS/2 will be open sourced in only...oh, 22 years!


Just shoot me now and get it over with.  T___T'

QuoteBut in sappy news...why am I seriously wanting to draw OS/2-sama...@__@


Oh no you don't!  ^0^

*brings her focus back to Plan9-tan & Co. pic*

QuoteNo replaceable battery? WTF? What happens when you wear the battery down?!


For me that's a design flaw that has kept me away from iPods.  But I reckon it's worse on a full-fledged laptop.  Especially for someone like you who's on the go a lot taking pictures, and don't necessarily have access to an AC jack (or even a car at the time), that'd be very annoying to have the thing fail on you and not have any spares handy.

Also, it's the thinnest notebook now in the market, but not historically:

http://www.news.com/8301-10784_3-9850943-7.html

Granted Apple knows its marketing, I still say they could've done better.  TT
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Post by: NekOSaka on January 30, 2008, 10:15:39 am
Quote*starts rummaging around for flying Chiyo pigtails*


Noooo! You don't know what there capable of!!! They steal minds!!!!
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Post by: C-Chan on January 30, 2008, 10:25:32 am
Really?  `v'

<___<

....

>___>

.......

*sticks them on NekOsaka*

Ahh!!!  It's no good!  You're gonna have to go fly somewhere!   ;^0^;
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Post by: NekOSaka on January 30, 2008, 10:33:45 am
"You underestimate me C-Chan!"
-paweeeeeeeeee-
*NekOSaka MIND CRUSH!*
*pigtails fall to ground and burst into flames*
"You forgot one key aspect C-Chan! Those things were reading MY mind! So I just let my mind work the way it does and overloaded those foul creatures instantly. They never stood a chance."
-tweeen-
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Post by: C-Chan on January 30, 2008, 10:40:51 am
NOOOOO!!!!  Those cost me 50000 yen!!  ^0^
Now I have to go snipe another pair at eBay.... ;___;

Plus now I'll have to get DOS-chan to cosplay something else... lesse....

*starts rummaging for some OSX Tiger apparel*
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Post by: Dos on January 30, 2008, 11:22:46 am
Hey what this on the ground
"pick up Chiyo pigtails*"
I know i put it on
"wiggle around on dos head for min"
I think this look cool on me, but i need get home soon Chiyo-Dad  going to be making dinner soon. I think we having some that red color
"Start to Fly home"
-Dos
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Post by: NekOSaka on January 31, 2008, 10:54:08 am
Yes... But is it too red?
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Post by: C-Chan on January 31, 2008, 11:43:31 am
There's never such a thing as too red.  ^.^

In any event,....

*tosses latest news feed out*

THIS JUST IN!!!!  ^V^

http://www.zdnet.com.au/news/software/soa/Torvalds-Linux-is-ready-to-go-green/0,130061733,339285555,00.htm

Another matter of personal pride to me, but one I don't really have to worry as much about.  Because just the fact that it makes older hardware last longer already does much to cut down on excessive eWaste, which results in a much greater environmental impact than carbon emissions from electricity consumption.
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Post by: Bella on January 31, 2008, 05:10:19 pm
QuoteIt's one of those things I've heard the name of, but never really had the chance to watch it for myself. Other notable iconic mysteries to me are: Lost, Dr. Who, All My Children, Dragonball Z (or x,y,whatever?), etc, etc, etc....

Maybe if I could break myself out into multiple C-chans. -v-


Speaking of which...the season premier of Lost is tonight!

*throws confetti*

Just warning you, in case I make any shipwrecked-crazy-survivalist-French-woman-who-had-her-baby-stolen-by-Others-and-raised as-their-own-with-no-knowledge-of-her-mother/VMS-sama, NT-san and M$ references (and trust me, I will make aforementioned references!)

QuoteJust shoot me now and get it over with. T___T'


Cheer up, only 19 years to go!


QuoteOh no you don't! ^0^

*brings her focus back to Plan9-tan & Co. pic*


Yes, but I must plan for the future! :P

QuoteFor me that's a design flaw that has kept me away from iPods. But I reckon it's worse on a full-fledged laptop. Especially for someone like you who's on the go a lot taking pictures, and don't necessarily have access to an AC jack (or even a car at the time), that'd be very annoying to have the thing fail on you and not have any spares handy.


Not only that, but I need a Flash memory card drive ;)

QuoteAlso, it's the thinnest notebook now in the market, but not historically:

http://www.news.com/8301-10784_3-9850943-7.html

Granted Apple knows its marketing, I still say they could've done better. TT


WTF?!?!? The thinnest notebook was released in 1998?!? Was it...like...literally a pad of paper in which one takes notes?

^Just kidding, BTW :P
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Post by: C-Chan on February 01, 2008, 11:06:02 am
QuoteYes, but I must plan for the future! :P


Nope! I ain't falling for that again!  ^___^

*chains Bella up to Plan 9 & Co pic*

QuoteNot only that, but I need a Flash memory card drive


Oh snap!  I didn't even realize it didn't have an SD card reader!  @__@'
And only 1 USB port?!!!  @@;

Just as a comparison, my lovely EeePC has THREE USB ports and one card reader,... and still manages to be one pound lighter.   (the Cloudbook only has two USB ports, but includes a DVI port and is a few grams lighter)  ^.^

Oh Apple, Apple, Apple.... WHAT have you done?  ;___;

QuoteWTF?!?!? The thinnest notebook was released in 1998?!? Was it...like...literally a pad of paper in which one takes notes?

^Just kidding, BTW :P


UBER LOL.  ^V^
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Post by: Bella on February 03, 2008, 10:18:52 pm
QuoteOh snap! I didn't even realize it didn't have an SD card reader! @__@'
And only 1 USB port?!!! @@;

Just as a comparison, my lovely EeePC has THREE USB ports and one card reader,... and still manages to be one pound lighter. (the Cloudbook only has two USB ports, but includes a DVI port and is a few grams lighter) ^.^

Oh Apple, Apple, Apple.... WHAT have you done? ;___;


One card reader? One card reader? My K8 has...like...three slots, which can read six or seven different kinds of cards. And a firewire port, and four USB ports...

Still, that's not bad for a UMPC ;)
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Post by: C-Chan on February 04, 2008, 12:54:22 pm
Hell yeah.  At that size, it shouldn't have too fit anything, but there it goes supporting SD/SDHC cards.  ^^

I hate to say it, but I think multiple built-in card slots is too excessive (I have them in my Acer desktop).  Granted some of them have their advantages, most memory cards are, by and large, the same thing.  And some of the more infernal ones (like Sony's Memory Sticks) deserve to go the way of other infernal media (e.g., those infernal SuperDisks *shakes fist vengefully*).  

That being said, I'll side with SD as a standard.  If only because the micro-SD cards are so damn cute.  -v-

On the other hand, I don't at all mind external readers....

...just external DVD drives, which are often quite big and bulky.  ^^;

Added after 4 minutes:

Oh, and here's more shameful self-indulgence on my part....  ^.^

http://itmanagement.earthweb.com/cnews/article.php/3724731

GYAH!!!!  I'm so happy for my baby girl!!  ^___^

*hugs and squeezes EeePC*

Contrary to popular belief, I do have planned drawing a ChiiVistan at some point.  Only she wouldn't be alone, but rather would literally have a whole entourage of sleek, lightweight, little UMPC-tans at her feet.  ^^
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Post by: Bella on February 04, 2008, 03:46:52 pm
QuoteContrary to popular belief, I do have planned drawing a ChiiVistan at some point. Only she wouldn't be alone, but rather would literally have a whole entourage of sleek, lightweight, little UMPC-tans at her feet. ^^


C-Chan...drawing...a Vistan...wa-wasn't t-this a prophecy hinted at in Revelation...?

*straps on sandwich board, grabs bell*

The end is nigh! The end is nigh!
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Post by: C-Chan on February 04, 2008, 11:12:14 pm
*pops in real quick*

'Tis not as bad as it seems.  Just another one of those "me-and-my-tall-women" things again.  You'll see,... I hope.  ^^;

BTW, I'll be back later to cash out rainchecks.  ^___^'

*pops out*

Added after 7 hours 20 minutes:

*returns to bang head on wall several times*

http://www.internetnews.com/dev-news/article.php/3725526
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Post by: Bella on February 07, 2008, 11:57:18 pm
^ Oh shi-

Wait, I think I may have...messed up a calculation...

*continues to bang hand on calculator*

Ah, I see, I forgot to carry the 3! Did I say open source OS/2 in 19 years? Ahhhh, I meant, on a cold, wet day in hell!

I mean, WTF? They don't even know where the source code in question is?! How can they not know where it is. Correct me if I am wrong, but I thought the code was contained, like, inside the OS itself.

*looks for C-Chan's piece of suicide parsley...*
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Post by: Tsubashi on February 08, 2008, 01:01:25 am
QuoteI mean, WTF? They don't even know where the source code in question is?! How can they not know where it is. Correct me if I am wrong, but I thought the code was contained, like, inside the OS itself.


Well, just as programs must be compiled before use, so must operating systems. It would be a programming nightmare to try and write OS/2 directly in system or low-level object code.
So yes, the OS contains all the source, just not in the original High-level code that people can use.
That was my biggest fear... T_T
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Post by: NejinOniwa on February 08, 2008, 07:27:51 am
So all we can hope for now is for a group of superhackers to extract the code from the OS and totally ignore the legal processes, plus someone to screw around with the laws to make it legally opensourced as well.
GOOD GOING, IBM. -.-
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Post by: Tsubashi on February 08, 2008, 09:19:21 pm
If only! You'd have to have a bunch of teams of superhackers decompile all the different builds, since I doubt all the options were ever compiled into a single OS. Good luck finding the builds, though.
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Post by: Techno the fox on February 09, 2008, 04:46:09 am
Huh? SD Slots?

Fu.....Fufufu...Fufufufu Aaahahahah...

Try my old giant the latitude C610 it has NO sd slots and only one USB port, it also has a PS/2 mouse/keyboard port, the port where it plugs into the charger (which has a strange short that I was going to get looked at, long story short it's loose and sometimes you have to wiggle the plug to get it to work) A serial port, a printer (bigger) serial port, and this strange plug that I'm not sure what it is.

Also, Pearl has this cute little port on her, while the RCA pearl is about 3-4 inches long, there's this TINY card slot called "Micro SD" just sooo cute.

The PSP NEEDS a memory stick, and you're pretty much marooned without one. You can't get Video, Pictures, and Music on it, you can't even save games without it...(luckily I bought one several months ago, and have been loving it since) But those little things 'ain't cheap...Try $50.00 for a small one..

On a positive note, I hear Elecbyte is still working on MUGEN. Perhaps a version with Online play lays in the near future?
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Post by: Bella on February 09, 2008, 12:58:58 pm
QuoteWell, just as programs must be compiled before use, so must operating systems. It would be a programming nightmare to try and write OS/2 directly in system or low-level object code.
So yes, the OS contains all the source, just not in the original High-level code that people can use.
That was my biggest fear... T_T


Oh, I see. That sounds like one screwed up management department....how can they just have "lost it?"

I used to think IBM was just dragging their feet or had M$ badgering them not to, but now it seems they really couldn't open source OS/2 even if they wanted. But still....I can't help but think even if they could, they wouldn't (it could pose to big a threat to their other systems)...

QuoteSo all we can hope for now is for a group of superhackers to extract the code from the OS and totally ignore the legal processes, plus someone to screw around with the laws to make it legally opensourced as well.
GOOD GOING, IBM. -.-


Lawl...

You know, this situation makes me think of a wise saying I made up not ten seconds ago: if you don't want trouble, don't let M$ help build your OS -__-

QuoteTry my old giant the latitude C610 it has NO sd slots and only one USB port, it also has a PS/2 mouse/keyboard port, the port where it plugs into the charger (which has a strange short that I was going to get looked at, long story short it's loose and sometimes you have to wiggle the plug to get it to work) A serial port, a printer (bigger) serial port, and this strange plug that I'm not sure what it is.


Wow, no card slots? My computer's, like nearly 4 years old and has a whole bunch...
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Post by: windowsgirl on February 09, 2008, 08:07:42 pm
nice!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by: Dos on February 09, 2008, 08:41:11 pm
wow that very weird
-Dos
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Post by: C-Chan on February 09, 2008, 11:48:39 pm
QuoteAh, I see, I forgot to carry the 3! Did I say open source OS/2 in 19 years? Ahhhh, I meant, on a cold, wet day in hell!


...................... @____@

INFERNO-CHAN!!!!!!!  I NEED YOUR HELP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  >0<

Quote*looks for C-Chan's piece of suicide parsley...*


No way, I'm gonna need that.  ^0^
Here... take my cheap substitute....

*hands Bella piece of suicide lettuce*

QuoteIf only! You'd have to have a bunch of teams of superhackers decompile all the different builds, since I doubt all the options were ever compiled into a single OS. Good luck finding the builds, though.


QuoteOh, I see. That sounds like one screwed up management department....how can they just have "lost it?"

I used to think IBM was just dragging their feet or had M$ badgering them not to, but now it seems they really couldn't open source OS/2 even if they wanted. But still....I can't help but think even if they could, they wouldn't (it could pose to big a threat to their other systems)...


BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH!!!!!!!!  ;^0^;
Those incompetent BASTARDS!!!!  No wonder they keep pushing Linux,... it's actually a PROPERLY DOCUMENTED system!!!!!!  Big Blue ends up being moronic to the bitter end!  T___T

*sigh*

Guess the only hope for OS/2-sama's future lies here then....

http://www.ecomstation.com/
http://www.osfree.org/doku/

*looks at status of both*

............Dear gawds.....  TT'

QuoteAlso, Pearl has this cute little port on her, while the RCA pearl is about 3-4 inches long, there's this TINY card slot called "Micro SD" just sooo cute.


Ah, I use those on my MP3 player all the time!  Too cute!  ^.^
Like a floppy disk that you could accidentally inhale.  ^v^

QuoteYou know, this situation makes me think of a wise saying I made up not ten seconds ago: if you don't want trouble, don't let M$ help build your OS -__-


........................... TT
Okay,... take the parsley.  I'll upgrade to the lavender.  T___T

QuoteWow, no card slots? My computer's, like nearly 4 years old and has a whole bunch...


In fairness to Techno-san, though, his Latitude is over 7 hears old at least (that is if I got the model right).  ^^'

Quotenice!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Surely you mean this, no?  ^v^

(http://www.mobilemag.com/content/images/14280_large.jpg)

Quotewow that very weird


I know... those IBM bastards do very weird things.  I'm almost glad they didn't directly make your sister PC-DOS; otherwise, who knows how screwed up she'd be (more than she is now)!  ^.^
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Post by: Bella on February 12, 2008, 11:40:08 pm
Has anyone been following this buyout thing between M$ and Yahoo?

http://www.cnn.com/2008/TECH/02/05/microsoft.yahoo.ap/index.html?iref=newssearch

I'm glad they rejected the bid, I heard Google was just about begging them not to accept. Now it's getting quite hostile, though....

I really hope they don't buy Yahoo...cause, beside the huge, possibly harmful monopoly n' such...I'd have to change my email account (I'm coming, Gmail!), and that's never fun XD
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Post by: C-Chan on February 13, 2008, 10:28:15 am
I have, but figured it's not worth posting.  ^___^
I kinda expected the deal wouldn't fall through, which is good cause I can keep my Yahoo mail around for a while.  It's been with me for well almost 10 years.  ^__~

Not out of the woods yet on that, so keep your eyes peeled.  The deal reeks of desperation, and desperate people [particularly desperate RICH people] tend to do very stupid things.  -.-
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Post by: Bella on February 13, 2008, 04:36:54 pm
QuoteI have, but figured it's not worth posting. ^___^
I kinda expected the deal wouldn't fall through, which is good cause I can keep my Yahoo mail around for a while. It's been with me for well almost 10 years. ^__~


Yeah, I've had my account since...well, since I first got an email account...

QuoteNot out of the woods yet on that, so keep your eyes peeled. The deal reeks of desperation, and desperate people [particularly desperate RICH people] tend to do very stupid things. -.-


I hear the deal was mostly Steve Ballmer's idea. That Ballmer dude really scares me O___O
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Post by: C-Chan on February 13, 2008, 08:09:41 pm
I'd say he's like the Eisner of the computer world,... just not as warm and fuzzy.  ^^'

In other news, a weird curiosity:

http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2704,2259191,00.asp

I DON'T like the idea of online storage, but I reckon if either the laptop or the $99 desktop model can be hacked to be standalone units.... '__'
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Post by: Bella on February 15, 2008, 05:54:30 pm
QuoteI'd say he's like the Eisner of the computer world,... just not as warm and fuzzy. ^^'


(http://images.wikia.com/uncyclopedia/images/4/40/Getup.gif)

XD

QuoteIn other news, a weird curiosity:

http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2704,2259191,00.asp

I DON'T like the idea of online storage, but I reckon if either the laptop or the $99 desktop model can be hacked to be standalone units.... '__'


That is strange...I've always been wary of online backup services and stuff, too...

Out of curiosity....I dunno if this is a good place to ask, but has anyone here ever given Syllable OS a try?
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Post by: C-Chan on February 15, 2008, 10:01:37 pm
QuoteOut of curiosity....I dunno if this is a good place to ask, but has anyone here ever given Syllable OS a try?


Not really, although now that I look at the page (and the one from AtheOS) it does look vaguely interesting.  Other than that, only Kami-Tux ever really paid attention to it before.  ^____^'

In other news, I am sad because I'm not part of the early shipments of this.... ;____;

http://www.zareason.com/shop/skin1/pages/US/cloudbook.html

That, and they switched to Gnome..... ;______;

*sniffles*

And and and......

Reviews are mixed........... ;__________;

http://blog.laptopmag.com/everex-cloudbook-mini-review-verdict-needs-more-time-in-the-oven

*weeps*

I need either a hug, or a good slapping......................  ;~;

*curls into ball*

Added after 27 minutes:

Oh, and just to end the day on a [sarcasm]HAPPY NOTE[/sarcasm]!!!!!  ^V^

.......

SCO is back.  ^^;

http://www.zdnetasia.com/news/software/0,39044164,62037847,00.htm

Oh, and...... yeah....... like........... I wouldn't really follow the money trail if I were you.  ^^;

Aside from a bunch of nightmarish people............... there's some M$ and Gates mixed in there too.  -v-;

Quite the talk of the town over at Groklaw....

http://www.groklaw.net/
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Post by: Bella on February 17, 2008, 05:12:43 pm
And Syllable is, supposedly....Amiga-like-ish!!! Whatever that means :P

As for the cloudbooks, I don't know if it's good or bad that they switched to GNOME...I like GNOME, but Enlightenment has a bit more...eye candy...and uses less memory, right?

And oh noes! Not fiaSCO again!
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Post by: C-Chan on February 17, 2008, 09:32:18 pm
QuoteAnd Syllable is, supposedly....Amiga-like-ish!!! Whatever that means :P


It means perfection.  ^.^

QuoteAs for the cloudbooks, I don't know if it's good or bad that they switched to GNOME...I like GNOME, but Enlightenment has a bit more...eye candy...and uses less memory, right?


Right.... ;________;

*cries and weeps*

In fairness, the Cloudbook has a full 30GB hard drive, so I could probably install anything else I want on it.  But considering I already have an EeePC, and EeePCLinuxOS already makes it highly usable, configurable and frees up a full 3GB of storage for me.... then there's really less of a point for me to look into the Cloudbook.

Might give me more incentive to wait for the Devbook instead.  ;___;

QuoteAnd oh noes! Not fiaSCO again!


Now with 50% MORE criminal elements behind.  ^________^

What fun!  ^o^

-----------------

In genkier news, here's something that merits a nice big "WTF"!!!  @v@

http://technology.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/tech_and_web/personal_tech/article3374812.ece

A £99 laptop?!!!!  In Britain?!!!!  Has hell frozen over?!!!!!!  @@'
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Post by: C-Chan on February 20, 2008, 02:52:56 pm
*C-chan cries, wails and bitches*

DAMN IT!!!!!!!!!!  >0<

http://jamfish728.blogspot.com/2008/02/highlightsfirst-24-hours-with-cloudbook.html

Should've known Everex would've found ways to screw things up.... T__T

Well no matter,....

Equipped with EeePCLOS -- which I'm actually helping to make awesome by the second... *giddy laughter*... my EeePC's practically a full-fledged laptop with a 7 inch screen!  ^.^
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Post by: Bella on February 21, 2008, 10:17:59 pm
^ Well, it still sounds good for something so tiny. But I'm still sure if I were going to buy a new laptop, I'd go for the gBook...I just don't think I could adjust to such a little computer as the CloudBook. Then again I use my laptops mostly as desktop replacements....

As for EeePCLOS...I've wondered...would there be any plans to approach  
Asus to offer it on their computers...? Or is that still too far off?
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Post by: NejinOniwa on February 22, 2008, 03:04:08 am
My cousin is going down to France for the holiday (yes, we have a completely unrelated, state-made 1 week break in the middle of february for no reason ^_^ ) and he's going to see if he can get his hands on an EeePC. Any tips, oh almighty pig?
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Post by: Bella on February 22, 2008, 07:19:35 pm
No wai! We here in New England are on a week-long winter vacation too.
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Post by: Smokey on February 22, 2008, 08:06:56 pm
Quote from: "Bella"No, what I dislike is the notion that "just because it's the newest OS, it's the best" or "just because it comes with 95% of new PCs it must be better than (insert lesser known/older OS)"


That's why I (and the smart sys-admins with me) always wait a couple of years before using a product so the bugs can be solved or the whole thing can be proven useless (the only good newest thing is the newest virus-definition download for your antiVir program)

BTW I cant help but think that Vista is XP with loads of eyecandy and that MS released it because they hadn't released a new OS for a long time (thus proving that XP is quite fine)....

Kinda like the screen from page one though (sorry for not remembering who posted it, But respect for playing SC4 and RoN) but that could be added to XP as well with a simple add-on/service-pack....

Sorry btw for not reading the whole topic but I was dying to say this :D
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Post by: C-Chan on February 23, 2008, 12:14:55 am
Quote^ Well, it still sounds good for something so tiny. But I'm still sure if I were going to buy a new laptop, I'd go for the gBook...I just don't think I could adjust to such a little computer as the CloudBook. Then again I use my laptops mostly as desktop replacements....


*sigh* I've lost my confidence with gOS, but hopefully Everex will use the following weeks to fix up their veritable rush job.  Sadly, ZaReason has dropped the Cloudbook and the gPC, so unless I can get them somewhere else besides Walmart, I'll be an EeePC promoter only for a while.  Not a bad thing, considering how involved I've been in making the hardware really fly.  -v-

QuoteAs for EeePCLOS...I've wondered...would there be any plans to approach
Asus to offer it on their computers...? Or is that still too far off?


BWAHAHAHA!!!  ^V^

Let's just say that "birds of a feather flock together".  ^_____^'

Ever noticed how corporate computer manufacturers stick to corporate Linux distros?  Be it Novell SUSE, Ubuntu, Mandriva or in this case Xandros?  I guess you can say they all understand one another.  ^.^

Besides, I doubt that'd be much in line with the philosophy of PCLinuxOS, and I for one don't mind that.  Community distros are always better featured than corporate ones, and ironically more adherent to licensing.  

There is, however, a small business remaster of PCLinuxOS called (unoriginally) PCLinuxOS Business, and PCLOS has made some inroads in education, where free and community-based is a little more tolerated.  I read not long ago about schools in the Philippines and Vietnam that have adopted PCLOS in their classroom machines, and are actively helping with regional translations (Tagalog and Vietnamese respectively).

Might be a bit melodramatic, but education seems like a more worthwhile endeavor.  ^^

QuoteMy cousin is going down to France for the holiday (yes, we have a completely unrelated, state-made 1 week break in the middle of february for no reason  ) and he's going to see if he can get his hands on an EeePC. Any tips, oh almighty pig?


In France, they offer the "3G" offer described here:

http://www.pimpmyumpc.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=38&Itemid=9

Very likely not worth it since your friend is only there for a week or so.  But at the very least we know that they do sell the 4G model, which is the standard one that includes the 4GB SSD drive, 3.5 hour battery, and webcam.  

It's unlikely they'll have the 2G model, but even so it's not worth getting one with those Euro prices.  Besides, that'd only be cool if you're friend's a hacker who can get the most out of the 2GB storage space.  

8G models are very rare due to manufacturing problems, but are the only EeePC models that can hold a "normal" install of most modern Linux distros as well as Windows XP.  You can fit Windows XP into a 4G (or at least an SD card on it) using NLite to make it faster and more usable on the limited hardware -- but bear in mind that that would be a breach of the Windows XP EULA.  ^^;

Not sure what else you need to know, so I'll try to stop by when I can to answer more questions you may have.

QuoteNo wai! We here in New England are on a week-long winter vacation too.


You guys are lucky.  I want a vacation also!  ^o^

QuoteThat's why I (and the smart sys-admins with me) always wait a couple of years before using a product so the bugs can be solved or the whole thing can be proven useless (the only good newest thing is the newest virus-definition download for your antiVir program)

BTW I cant help but think that Vista is XP with loads of eyecandy and that MS released it because they hadn't released a new OS for a long time (thus proving that XP is quite fine)....


Plus as Nejin-san showed me,... with the right kind of plugins and themes, you can make XP look and function like Vista.  

Although the fact that Vista is rather beta-like probably doesn't phase me as much as the forced-upgrade apect of their marketing campaign.

QuoteKinda like the screen from page one though (sorry for not remembering who posted it, But respect for playing SC4 and RoN) but that could be added to XP as well with a simple add-on/service-pack....


Which screen might you be referring to?  'v'
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Post by: Smokey on February 23, 2008, 08:02:16 am
The one Darknight posted...

http://ostan-collections.net/topic-708.html
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Post by: C-Chan on February 25, 2008, 02:15:28 pm
Aaaa sou. -v-

Yeah, you can use a plugin to use that in XP like you said.  
I actually have something very similar in Compiz Fusion, but I rarely use it.  Unless I'm viewing multiple documents (which I usually don't), I want my Alt+Tabbing to be instantaneous (although the Ring Switcher isn't as bad).  

Incidentally, a little bird dropped me this link over the weekend.  Funny as hell,....  -.-

http://blip.tv/file/340692/
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Post by: Bella on February 25, 2008, 04:19:43 pm
Quote*sigh* I've lost my confidence with gOS, but hopefully Everex will use the following weeks to fix up their veritable rush job. Sadly, ZaReason has dropped the Cloudbook and the gPC, so unless I can get them somewhere else besides Walmart, I'll be an EeePC promoter only for a while. Not a bad thing, considering how involved I've been in making the hardware really fly. -v-


gOS freaked me out ever since I saw that HUGE Google search bar in the middle of the screen O__o

If I were to get a gBook, it'd probably end up with another OS installed...

QuoteEver noticed how corporate computer manufacturers stick to corporate Linux distros? Be it Novell SUSE, Ubuntu, Mandriva or in this case Xandros? I guess you can say they all understand one another. ^.^


That's what I was kinda thinking....

But I always thought Canonical at least didn't consort with M$ like Novell, Xandros Incorporated and Mandriva do...at least I really hope not O___O

QuoteBesides, I doubt that'd be much in line with the philosophy of PCLinuxOS, and I for one don't mind that. Community distros are always better featured than corporate ones, and ironically more adherent to licensing.

There is, however, a small business remaster of PCLinuxOS called (unoriginally) PCLinuxOS Business, and PCLOS has made some inroads in education, where free and community-based is a little more tolerated. I read not long ago about schools in the Philippines and Vietnam that have adopted PCLOS in their classroom machines, and are actively helping with regional translations (Tagalog and Vietnamese respectively).

Might be a bit melodramatic, but education seems like a more worthwhile endeavor. ^^


I guess I've liked Ubuntu (a more commercial distro) mostly because it has a very beginner-friendly reputation and has worked perfectly well for me...

That said, I might come around to the more off-the-beaten-path distros, (what am I saying, I started out with those...Puppy, Zenwalk [which I really like], SAM...), but I do think that they were more...I won't say difficult...but less moron-proof. And I kinda like knowing I'm using an OS that millions of other people also use.

But that's certainly not to say I don't have my adventurous side...

QuoteYou guys are lucky. I want a vacation also! ^o^


No, you work, while we New Englanders and Scandinavians go out and romp in the snow!

QuoteAlthough the fact that Vista is rather beta-like probably doesn't phase me as much as the forced-upgrade apect of their marketing campaign.


I agree x10!!!

QuoteIncidentally, a little bird dropped me this link over the weekend. Funny as hell,.... -.-

http://blip.tv/file/340692/


LOL! Nice find XD

Speaking of which, a friend recently got a Vista computer as a gift. The gift-giver tossed around getting an XP machine, a gPC or even a Mac, mind you, and even wanted to avoid using Vista, but the Vista computer was the only one that would suit the recipient's needs.

Anyhow, the thing's been giving him grief from the start; he can't even get it to go online. So he calls me for help, but I'm lost too. I just had to come out and say, "I don't know, I never had to do this with XP"...

Oi...
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Post by: NejinOniwa on February 25, 2008, 04:36:21 pm
QuoteI guess I've liked Ubuntu (a more commercial distro) mostly because it has a very beginner-friendly reputation and has worked perfectly well for me...

That said, I might come around to the more off-the-beaten-path distros, (what am I saying, I started out with those...Puppy, Zenwalk [which I really like], SAM...), but I do think that they were more...I won't say difficult...but less moron-proof. And I kinda like knowing I'm using an OS that millions of other people also use.

Hm.
I've always thought the other way - since I've always used XP as my primary OS and haven't gotten any real thoughts about switching, I've always found the more off-path Linuces and stuff more attractive. Ah well, I guess that's because of me+XP=<3...
Quote
Quote
Although the fact that Vista is rather beta-like probably doesn't phase me as much as the forced-upgrade apect of their marketing campaign.
I agree x10!

On a related topic, I agree...DX10. -w-

QuoteNo, you work, while we New Englanders and Scandinavians go out and romp in the snow!

Snow? What snow!? Even here on the 60:th latitude there's not a SINGLE DAMN PIECE OF FROST, DAMNIT! FUKKING GLOBAL WARMING CRAPSHIT! KILL YOURSELVES!!!

*pant pant*
GUH. Hell, I even went skiing and besides the prepared snow on the slopes, it was +6 DEGREES CELSIUS AND NO SNOW WHATSOEVER. Also bad rides. Hell, I hate this crap...
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Post by: Smokey on February 25, 2008, 04:39:23 pm
Quote from: "C-Chan"Incidentally, a little bird dropped me this link over the weekend.  Funny as hell,....  -.-

http://blip.tv/file/340692/


There's only ten characters that can describe that:  OMG ROFLMAO!
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Post by: C-Chan on February 25, 2008, 04:58:39 pm
QuoteThat's what I was kinda thinking....

But I always thought Canonical at least didn't consort with M$ like Novell, Xandros Incorporated and Mandriva do...at least I really hope not O___O


Oooh,... don't lump Mandriva in with those bastardly types.  @___@
See their response to M$ patent-protection fraud:

http://news.zdnet.co.uk/software/0,1000000121,39287672,00.htm

Might help that they're based in France (and Canonical in South Africa), except for RedHat, all the other companies that caved in were,... sadly,......... let's just say they're "neighbors" to M$, and thus far more susceptible to be cowed by silly software patents, or at least the cost of litigation thereof.  ^__________^;

QuoteI guess I've liked Ubuntu (a more commercial distro) mostly because it has a very beginner-friendly reputation and has worked perfectly well for me...

That said, I might come around to the more off-the-beaten-path distros, (what am I saying, I started out with those...Puppy, Zenwalk [which I really like], SAM...), but I do think that they were more...I won't say difficult...but less moron-proof. And I kinda like knowing I'm using an OS that millions of other people also use.

But that's certainly not to say I don't have my adventurous side...


Ubuntu is as great as it is because it was started by a true philanthropist Mark Shuttleworth, who COULD'VE used his newfound millions to do any matter of selfish thing, but instead used it to promote FOSS software and greater user control over their computers, thus establish himself as a kind of anti-Bill Gates.  In other words, this was a moral venture.

Sadly, Canonical is still a company, and can't pay the bills on shear morality alone (they could try, but would probably fail).  Unless one can change the way business is conducted, I fear the day may come when they have to ditch the Desktop market in favor of the more lucrative Server market (RedHat's arena), or barring that will have to convert Ubuntu into a paid OS, and hence open a veritable can of worms (although the dual model seems to work for Mandriva).

Another great irony is that companies (or at least most Western companies) tend to be models of "inefficient efficiency", and that has sadly bled through into the *Buntus in recent releases.  Compared to the more stable 6.x's, the 7.x's were released with many bugs, and careless updates that could break a system beyond easy repair.  In addition to that, they also use a lot of nonfree or at least questionably-free software -- many feel, for example, that programs that are written in Mono (a kind of open-source  .NET with a shady history) are essentially trojan horses for M$ patent persecution. Aas in, "OOH LOOK!! They're using proprietary M$ code that we secretly injected into the open source community to litigate it later!  Get 'em!!" (incidentally, Gobuntu addresses this by being all free software-based,... but then again it's really only Debian with a stranger name...  ^___^;)

I'm glad to see that 8.04 will be another LTS, and hopefully they can stamp out or address some of these issues.  I'd love it if I were wrong about them, but I'm sure you can understand if I'm always cautious about people pursuing some kind of Bottom Line.  ^^;

QuoteNo, you work, while we New Englanders and Scandinavians go out and romp in the snow!


Awww shucks.  ;___;

QuoteSpeaking of which, a friend recently got a Vista computer as a gift. The gift-giver tossed around getting an XP machine, a gPC or even a Mac, mind you, and even wanted to avoid using Vista, but the Vista computer was the only one that would suit the recipient's needs.

Anyhow, the thing's been giving him grief from the start; he can't even get it to go online. So he calls me for help, but I'm lost too. I just had to come out and say, "I don't know, I never had to do this with XP"...


How long will you give it before he installs something else on that machine?  ^____^;

QuoteSnow? What snow!? Even here on the 60:th latitude there's not a SINGLE DAMN PIECE OF FROST, DAMNIT! [expletive] GLOBAL WARMING CRAP[expletive]! KILL YOURSELVES!!!

*pant pant*
GUH. Hell, I even went skiing and besides the prepared snow on the slopes, it was +6 DEGREES CELSIUS AND NO SNOW WHATSOEVER. Also bad rides. Hell, I hate this crap...


Poor Nejin-san seems to be having it rough up there too.  ^^;
Yeah, I'm not getting much snow,... only LOTS and LOTS of rain.  -____-;

QuoteThere's only ten characters that can describe that: OMG ROFLMAO!


Welcome to the club.  ^^;
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Post by: Bella on February 26, 2008, 06:32:53 pm
QuoteHm.
I've always thought the other way - since I've always used XP as my primary OS and haven't gotten any real thoughts about switching, I've always found the more off-path Linuces and stuff more attractive. Ah well, I guess that's because of me+XP=<3...


I love XP too, but I've always been very curious about what else is out there. This, and I know I'm never going to buy a Windows machine ever again, so I might as well see what I'm going to end up using :P

QuoteOn a related topic, I agree...DX10. -w-


*hands Nejin medal for perfect pun*

QuoteSnow? What snow!? Even here on the 60:th latitude there's not a SINGLE DAMN PIECE OF FROST, DAMNIT! FUKKING GLOBAL WARMING CRAPSHIT! KILL YOURSELVES!!!

*pant pant*
GUH. Hell, I even went skiing and besides the prepared snow on the slopes, it was +6 DEGREES CELSIUS AND NO SNOW WHATSOEVER. Also bad rides. Hell, I hate this crap...


That sucks. But this is, like, the first year anyone can remember when we've gotten snow like this. And it'll be really cold for a while, then really warm, but we always end up with more snow...

As for the skiing here, over the past couple of weeks the snow conditions have been terrible (because we had a warm streak). Very icy and rough...I haven't even gone out snowboarding during vacation. So I can sympathize : \

And this concludes the OSC Snow Report XD

QuoteOooh,... don't lump Mandriva in with those bastardly types. @___@
See their response to M$ patent-protection fraud:

http://news.zdnet.co.uk/software/0,1000000121,39287672,00.htm

Might help that they're based in France (and Canonical in South Africa), except for RedHat, all the other companies that caved in were,... sadly,......... let's just say they're "neighbors" to M$, and thus far more susceptible to be cowed by silly software patents, or at least the cost of litigation thereof. ^__________^;


Hmmm....I never thought of that...

It is true the US is a country of litigation -__-

QuoteUbuntu is as great as it is because it was started by a true philanthropist Mark Shuttleworth, who COULD'VE used his newfound millions to do any matter of selfish thing, but instead used it to promote FOSS software and greater user control over their computers, thus establish himself as a kind of anti-Bill Gates. In other words, this was a moral venture.

Sadly, Canonical is still a company, and can't pay the bills on shear morality alone (they could try, but would probably fail). Unless one can change the way business is conducted, I fear the day may come when they have to ditch the Desktop market in favor of the more lucrative Server market (RedHat's arena), or barring that will have to convert Ubuntu into a paid OS, and hence open a veritable can of worms (although the dual model seems to work for Mandriva).


Ah, Mark Shuttleworth, the anti-Gates, space-traveling crusader for morality!

But good point. I don't trust companies completely either...

QuoteAnother great irony is that companies (or at least most Western companies) tend to be models of "inefficient efficiency", and that has sadly bled through into the *Buntus in recent releases. Compared to the more stable 6.x's, the 7.x's were released with many bugs, and careless updates that could break a system beyond easy repair. In addition to that, they also use a lot of nonfree or at least questionably-free software -- many feel, for example, that programs that are written in Mono (a kind of open-source .NET with a shady history) are essentially trojan horses for M$ patent persecution. Aas in, "OOH LOOK!! They're using proprietary M$ code that we secretly injected into the open source community to litigate it later! Get 'em!!" (incidentally, Gobuntu addresses this by being all free software-based,... but then again it's really only Debian with a stranger name... ^___^

I'm glad to see that 8.04 will be another LTS, and hopefully they can stamp out or address some of these issues. I'd love it if I were wrong about them, but I'm sure you can understand if I'm always cautious about people pursuing some kind of Bottom Line. ^^;


Hmmm...so now I have a good reason not to update my VM Ubuntu (and I wasn't downloading updates just to cut down on the virtual HD space)

I didn't know this about the open-source .NET! I had never even heard of Mono...

QuoteHow long will you give it before he installs something else on that machine? ^____^;


Never. He mostly does gaming T___T
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Post by: Smokey on February 27, 2008, 10:49:38 am
Quote from: "Bella"
QuoteHow long will you give it before he installs something else on that machine? ^____^;


Never. He mostly does gaming T___T


Yeah, why is it that all those companies dont make their games work on Linux-es-versions-es-es!? The only thing keeping me tied to Windblows is the gamez.... (BTW has anyone ever thought that using Windows is a bad way to get somewhere? I'd much rather use Doors :D)
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Post by: NejinOniwa on February 27, 2008, 11:17:27 am
Quote*hands Nejin medal for perfect pun*

Why thank you, milady. -w-

QuoteThat sucks. But this is, like, the first year anyone can remember when we've gotten snow like this. And it'll be really cold for a while, then really warm, but we always end up with more snow...

As for the skiing here, over the past couple of weeks the snow conditions have been terrible (because we had a warm streak). Very icy and rough...I haven't even gone out snowboarding during vacation. So I can sympathize : \

And this concludes the OSC Snow Report XD

Well frankly we've had it somewhat that way as well - cold streak for a long time, then snow, then the next day it all melts away, and so on. Just jumping back and forth.

It'll be other business though, when I go up for my REAL skiing trip in March, up to Kittelfjäll on the seventy-somethingeth latitude. Now THAT's gonna end in a blast!
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Post by: C-Chan on February 27, 2008, 05:09:24 pm
QuoteAnd this concludes the OSC Snow Report XD


Wow,... I've been gone for two days, and already we're setting up Snow Reports left and right!  >v<

QuoteAh, Mark Shuttleworth, the anti-Gates, space-traveling crusader for morality!

But good point. I don't trust companies completely either...


QuoteHmmm...so now I have a good reason not to update my VM Ubuntu (and I wasn't downloading updates just to cut down on the virtual HD space)

I didn't know this about the open-source .NET! I had never even heard of Mono...


Probably worth giving it a read, since there's a list of famous apps that run on it:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mono_%28software%29

And likewise, here's Mr. Shuttleworth's stance on it, which while having its own merits is contentested by a lot of equally valid-points in the Comments section:

http://boycottnovell.com/2008/02/22/mark-shuttleworth-on-patents/

Remember in the Theories thread when I predicted that the Linux world would have some very turbulent years up ahead (the "Linux Wars" as you put it?).  That's because I'm a firm believer that the greatest civilizations are never destroyed from without but from within, and in this case this kind of "code infiltration" sets as much a dangerous precedent as Novell/Xandros/Linspire cozying up to M$.  

Even if it doesn't bring us down through litigation, it will certainly serve to divide the community.  Those who care to draw themselves into Gnome/KDE debates certainly don't hesitate to point out how cozy Gnome has gotten with M$ technology recently.  '___'

QuoteYeah, why is it that all those companies dont make their games work on Linux-es-versions-es-es!? The only thing keeping me tied to Windblows is the gamez....


Oh that's easy,... market share.  ^__^

There are more games out for Mac now than ever before because OSX has acquired a bigger market share than it had in the late '90's, early '00's (course the PowerPC vs Mactel processor might also have something to do with it, but any savvy game company can make a game fly on a PowerPC).

Linux still holds a VERY tiny share in the market -- even in developing countries, it still loses out to the onslaught of illegal, pirated Windows copies.

To top it off, most proprietary companies don't want consumers to get USED to the notion of using a free and open source system.  If, GAWD forbid, they should happen to get educated about the computer systems they run, they might just start to wonder WHY this application costs $1400, and WHY do I have to keep buying endless expansion packs for the Sims when I can make my own, and WHY do I need this $500 graphics card when that $50 one serves all my needs and runs those very addictive FOSS games.  ^.^

===

Incidentally, seems like Nejin-san has become quite the fan of despaired teachers and crazy students.  ^^;

Added after 21 minutes:

Ah yes, and almost forgot....

Some Feel Good news.  ^___^

http://www.insidesocal.com/click/2008/02/19yearold_mac_doing_server_dut.html
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Post by: Smokey on February 27, 2008, 05:11:15 pm
Quote from: "C-Chan"
QuoteYeah, why is it that all those companies dont make their games work on Linux-es-versions-es-es!? The only thing keeping me tied to Windblows is the gamez....


Oh that's easy,... market share.  ^__^

There are more games out for Mac now than ever before because OSX has acquired a bigger market share than it had in the late '90's, early '00's (course the PowerPC vs Mactel processor might also have something to do with it, but any savvy game company can make a game fly on a PowerPC).

Linux still holds a VERY tiny share in the market -- even in developing countries, it still loses out to the onslaught of illegal, pirated Windows copies.

To top it off, most proprietary companies don't want consumers to get USED to the notion of using a free and open source system.  If, GAWD forbid, they should happen to get educated about the computer systems they run, they might just start to wonder WHY this application costs $1400, and WHY do I have to keep buying endless expansion packs for the Sims when I can make my own, and WHY do I need this $500 graphics card when that $50 one serves all my needs and runs those very addictive FOSS games.  ^.^

===

Incidentally, seems like Nejin-san has become quite the fan of despaired teachers and crazy students.  ^^;


Ow yeah...I withdraw my question/statement, because you made me realize that we need linux-based os-es to seperate the (to put it crudely) n00bs from the l337 (man I've got to clear my desk so I can start working on my BeoPup ;010 )...that plus when everyone goes for free open-source software the economy'll have a heart attack...
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Post by: C-Chan on February 27, 2008, 11:15:03 pm
QuoteOw yeah...I withdraw my question/statement, because you made me realize that we need linux-based os-es to seperate the (to put it crudely) n00bs from the l337


Well maybe that's a step in the right direction, but can't be a true l337 till you've gotten acquainted with System I-III UNIX, Multics, VMS, Plan 9 and other things hardcore.  ^^;

(http://folk.uio.no/hpv/linuxtoons/dilbert-unix.png)

Quote(man I've got to clear my desk so I can start working on my BeoPup  )


AWESOME!!  And you ARE gonna make one!!!  And with Puppy-chan no less!!!  Suddenly I feel the urge to invoke my picture of Ryoga Puppy-chan....  ^__^

(http://ostan-collections.net/imeeji/albums/userpics/10570/normal_PuppyRyogaFinal.png)

Quotethat plus when everyone goes for free open-source software the economy'll have a heart attack...


Naah, if a company's smart like RedHat, Mozilla and Google, they'll know how to make money with open source and lots of it.  ^^

So only the lowest common denominator companies would have a heart attack and bring the entire global market down with them.... -v-

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Oh @%$#.....  ^^;
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Post by: Smokey on February 28, 2008, 11:23:57 am
Quote from: "C-Chan"
Quote(man I've got to clear my desk so I can start working on my BeoPup  )


AWESOME!!  And you ARE gonna make one!!!  And with Puppy-chan no less!!!  Suddenly I feel the urge to invoke my picture of Ryoga Puppy-chan....  ^__^

(http://ostan-collections.net/imeeji/albums/userpics/10570/normal_PuppyRyogaFinal.png)



Eehm I am planning on using CluterKnoppix (because of OpenMosix)
And I'm calling her BeoPup because she'll exist of 2 nodes and a terminal for now (space-issues)
Sorry if I gave you any false hope, but if you do know of an OS thats runs clusters like ClusterKnoppix (with the auto-configuring of the nodes because it uses OpenMosix), please feel free to tell me (maybe I need to give this its own thread, because I've got some questions about data-serving and stuff as well...Meh, probably best to wait for an Admin's green light)
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Post by: Bella on March 01, 2008, 01:15:12 pm
QuoteProbably worth giving it a read, since there's a list of famous apps that run on it:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mono_%28software%29

And likewise, here's Mr. Shuttleworth's stance on it, which while having its own merits is contentested by a lot of equally valid-points in the Comments section:


Wait...is Mono limited to GNOME...?

*contemplates going to Kubuntu...*

QuoteRemember in the Theories thread when I predicted that the Linux world would have some very turbulent years up ahead (the "Linux Wars" as you put it?). That's because I'm a firm believer that the greatest civilizations are never destroyed from without but from within, and in this case this kind of "code infiltration" sets as much a dangerous precedent as Novell/Xandros/Linspire cozying up to M$.

Even if it doesn't bring us down through litigation, it will certainly serve to divide the community. Those who care to draw themselves into Gnome/KDE debates certainly don't hesitate to point out how cozy Gnome has gotten with M$ technology recently. '___'


Oi...I'm starting to think a huge fracas is needed in the life of every OS group. It builds character -__-

But...wait...GNOME...cozy with M$?

I is coming Kubuntu!

QuoteThere are more games out for Mac now than ever before because OSX has acquired a bigger market share than it had in the late '90's, early '00's (course the PowerPC vs Mactel processor might also have something to do with it, but any savvy game company can make a game fly on a PowerPC).


I still think the greatest game for Mac is Photoshop. It is the greatest game for Windows, come to think about it XD

QuoteTo top it off, most proprietary companies don't want consumers to get USED to the notion of using a free and open source system. If, GAWD forbid, they should happen to get educated about the computer systems they run, they might just start to wonder WHY this application costs $1400, and WHY do I have to keep buying endless expansion packs for the Sims when I can make my own, and WHY do I need this $500 graphics card when that $50 one serves all my needs and runs those very addictive FOSS games. ^.^


Honestly, I haven't bought much software or any hardware upgrades since I've gotten my computer(s). I always tried to find a freeware, or better yet, open-source alternative....

QuoteAh yes, and almost forgot....

Some Feel Good news. ^___^

http://www.insidesocal.com/click/2008/02/19yearold_mac_doing_server_dut.html


Wow! Makes me wanna convert the ol' Compaq into a server :P

QuoteWell maybe that's a step in the right direction, but can't be a true l337 till you've gotten acquainted with System I-III UNIX, Multics, VMS, Plan 9 and other things hardcore. ^^;


Oh man...that is the funniest comic XD

But I have a question: does RSTS/E count?

(http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s320/BellasOS-tans/rsts.jpg)

QuoteEehm I am planning on using CluterKnoppix (because of OpenMosix)
And I'm calling her BeoPup because she'll exist of 2 nodes and a terminal for now (space-issues)
Sorry if I gave you any false hope, but if you do know of an OS thats runs clusters like ClusterKnoppix (with the auto-configuring of the nodes because it uses OpenMosix), please feel free to tell me (maybe I need to give this its own thread, because I've got some questions about data-serving and stuff as well...Meh, probably best to wait for an Admin's green light)


I get it...is BeoPup a play on words with "Beowulf"? It's really cool your going to make your own mini-supercomputer!

And I have a funny find:

http://www.openbsd.org/lyrics.html

A bunch of OpenBSD songs. I was vaguely amused...but mostly I was PO'ed by the vague insults to Linux, Mac, and/or Solaris. At least I think they were insults XD
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Post by: Smokey on March 01, 2008, 05:07:19 pm
yes, i thought: wulf=wolf->pup... :d

and those songs are great (even on a psp, cuz im housesitting at my sis's who has a pc and internet, but not a connection between them)
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Post by: Bella on March 02, 2008, 01:49:23 pm
Quoteyes, i thought: wulf=wolf->pup... :d


Yay I guessed it  ;010

I dunno if this is the right thread to blab about this, but I figure we like alternative and old OSs...and this is about as alternative and old as you can get XD

So I decide to try communicating with RSTS/E again; my past attempts I got no farther than the login. But this time I was able to play a game!

Bella and RSTS/E's Excellent Adventure:

(http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s320/BellasOS-tans/myadventure1.jpg)

This is the intro to the game...notice it was originally developed by the Stanford Artificial Intelligent Lab? SAIL, if you don't know, used our favorite hippie OS, WAITS :P

(http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s320/BellasOS-tans/myadventure.jpg)

Here I needed some tips. I like that, you just type "help" and a bunch of tips appear :D

(http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s320/BellasOS-tans/myadventure2.jpg)

I found a house with some supplies inside, which I raided XD

BTW, I got 48 out of 350 points; I was rated a novice class adventurer!

Let us review: The most fun I've had playing a computer game recently was playing a D&D-inspired text game via hyperterminal, communicating with a simulated PDP-11 in Sweden running RTST/E, an OS from the mid-to-late 1970s. Am I a geek yet?
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Post by: Smokey on March 02, 2008, 04:21:48 pm
Quote from: "Bella"Let us review: The most fun I've had playing a computer game recently was playing a D&D-inspired text game via hyperterminal, communicating with a simulated PDP-11 in Sweden running RTST/E, an OS from the mid-to-late 1970s. Am I a geek yet?


Wow...I love those old mini-computers, and the last time I saw any PDP in use was in swordfish, I thought, well if I chuck out my wardrobe-closet I could fit one of those in my room :D......
So to anwser your question: No you're not a geek (as long as you still have a social life and other hobby's, no "Geek" does not apply then...)
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Post by: C-Chan on March 03, 2008, 01:09:28 am
*comes stumbling in*

Yo peoplez.... ^^'
Sorry, I've been away for a while.... -.-'

Currently writing from my beloved BLACK EeePC 2G... I was right, equipped with EeePCLOS, this girl can fly!  ^v^

But yeah, been busy with tons of other stuff aside from development, so hopefully y'all have forgotten about this crazy pig.  ^^;

I'll be back (my head's killing me now), but to quickly answer your question...

You can always consult The Legendary Chart of Geekery....  ^____^

(http://hackles.org/strips/cartoon184.png)

*C-chan falls asleep over EeePC 2G*

*snuggles up*

*snore*  -____- Zzzzzz
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Post by: Smokey on March 03, 2008, 10:30:37 am
Well, guess I'm just a H4rdw4r3 phr34k then... :D
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Post by: C-Chan on March 03, 2008, 05:43:09 pm
Okay, almost back on s'hedule....  -v-

Quoteehm I am planning on using CluterKnoppix (because of OpenMosix)
And I'm calling her BeoPup because she'll exist of 2 nodes and a terminal for now (space-issues)
Sorry if I gave you any false hope, but if you do know of an OS thats runs clusters like ClusterKnoppix (with the auto-configuring of the nodes because it uses OpenMosix), please feel free to tell me (maybe I need to give this its own thread, because I've got some questions about data-serving and stuff as well...Meh, probably best to wait for an Admin's green light)


Aa sou....  '___'

*shoos Puppy-chan away*

In that case, something new just came out which you might be willing to try:

http://pareto.uab.es/mcreel/PelicanHPC/

Moot point, though, since it's also Knoppix-based.  ^v^;

QuoteWait...is Mono limited to GNOME...?

*contemplates going to Kubuntu...*


Well like all languages, you can run Mono apps on KDE as well.  But only GNOME has code built in to allow Mono applications to run natively on it.  

QuoteOi...I'm starting to think a huge fracas is needed in the life of every OS group. It builds character -__-

But...wait...GNOME...cozy with M$?

I is coming Kubuntu!


Well now I feel bad, cause I didn't tell you all that just to drive you away from your Ubuntu.....  -_______-

*mopes*

Besides, there's just so much literature out there to absorb, so I'm just spewing out what I've heard really.  ^^'
There are certainly a lot of Gnome users who actively ensure their systems are not "corrupted" with Mono or anything else suspiciously M$-friendly.  It's generally the GNOME maintainers who usually get all the heat, and often rightfully so.  This article and its comments are a good example:

http://www.linux.com/feature/121930

Kubuntu is a neat system, but hardly the best implementation of KDE.  ^^;
I think Sidux is better at that, and definitely much faster given it's hardcore Debian status (and the fact that it uses the Sid Unstable branch means it gives you as much software choices as Ubuntu, which also works off the unstable branch now).

QuoteI still think the greatest game for Mac is Photoshop. It is the greatest game for Windows, come to think about it XD


^V^

QuoteHonestly, I haven't bought much software or any hardware upgrades since I've gotten my computer(s). I always tried to find a freeware, or better yet, open-source alternative....


Very good, my dear Bella-sama.  ^____^
I'm kinda the same way,... except when it comes to hardware anyway.  Kinda explains why I have another EeePC.   ^^;

QuoteWow! Makes me wanna convert the ol' Compaq into a server :P


Oh right,... I have an old Compaq I need to fix up too....  ^.^;
Let me see if maybe.... *plots and schemes*

QuoteBut I have a question: does RSTS/E count?


Hey,... Unix-sama was partially born thanks to PDP hardware, so yeah!  That's hardcore hardcore l337!  ^___^

QuoteAnd I have a funny find:

http://www.openbsd.org/lyrics.html

A bunch of OpenBSD songs. I was vaguely amused...but mostly I was PO'ed by the vague insults to Linux, Mac, and/or Solaris. At least I think they were insults XD


Meh, it's all playful banter.  ^v^'

But loved this part:  "In the end, the thieves learned there is always a bigger fish!".  ^^

QuoteSo I decide to try communicating with RSTS/E again; my past attempts I got no farther than the login. But this time I was able to play a game!

Bella and RSTS/E's Excellent Adventure:


OMG!!!!!!!  BELLA-sama is FULFILLING OUR LIFELONG DREAM RIGHT BEFORE OUR EYES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  @v@
(and is that a play on "Bill and Ted's"?)

QuoteThis is the intro to the game...notice it was originally developed by the Stanford Artificial Intelligent Lab? SAIL, if you don't know, used our favorite hippie OS, WAITS :P


And OMG!!!!!!!!!!  IT'S A SMALL WORLD AFTER ALL!!!!!!!!!  @@

QuoteHere I needed some tips. I like that, you just type "help" and a bunch of tips appear  


And and OMG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  SHE STILL HAS VMS-SAMA IN THE BACKGROUND!!!!!!!!!  ;^^;

QuoteI found a house with some supplies inside, which I raided XD

And and and OMG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  SHE'S A FUGITIVE OF THE LAW TOO BOOT!!!!!!!!!!!!  ;^___^;

QuoteBTW, I got 48 out of 350 points; I was rated a novice class adventurer!

Let us review: The most fun I've had playing a computer game recently was playing a D&D-inspired text game via hyperterminal, communicating with a simulated PDP-11 in Sweden running RTST/E, an OS from the mid-to-late 1970s. Am I a geek yet?


AAAAAAAAAAAAAnd OMFG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  I'M GONNA SWOON OUTSIDE OF AN ART THREAD!!!!!!!!!!!!  ;@V@;

*swoons*
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Post by: Bella on March 03, 2008, 06:13:35 pm
QuoteYo peoplez.... ^^'
Sorry, I've been away for a while.... -.-'

Currently writing from my beloved BLACK EeePC 2G... I was right, equipped with EeePCLOS, this girl can fly! ^v^


Oooh...if I'm not mistaken...did you get a new EeePC...?

QuoteBut yeah, been busy with tons of other stuff aside from development, so hopefully y'all have forgotten about this crazy pig. ^^;


Forgotten about you? We've been plastering the neighborhood with posters! We thought perhaps you were abducted by aliens. Or time-travelers. Or espers :P

QuoteI'll be back (my head's killing me now), but to quickly answer your question...


Uh...oh...Someone's been out partying... ;)

QuoteYou can always consult The Legendary Chart of Geekery.... ^____^


Oh wow, C-Chan, your a pig, does that mean you're a 1337 h4x0r script kiddie!?

QuoteWell like all languages, you can run Mono apps on KDE as well. But only GNOME has code built in to allow Mono applications to run natively on it.


So you mean to say, GNOME has the Mono-based apps built in?

QuoteWell now I feel bad, cause I didn't tell you all that just to drive you away from your Ubuntu..... -_______-


Nothing short of Ubuntu being bought by M$ will drive me away from it :P

*dreamy sigh*

QuoteKubuntu is a neat system, but hardly the best implementation of KDE. ^^;
I think Sidux is better at that, and definitely much faster given it's hardcore Debian status (and the fact that it uses the Sid Unstable branch means it gives you as much software choices as Ubuntu, which also works off the unstable branch now).


Hmmm....

QuoteHey,... Unix-sama was partially born thanks to PDP hardware, so yeah! That's hardcore hardcore l337! ^___^


Woot I pwn u n00bs!

Just kidding, kidding! XD

QuoteMeh, it's all playful banter. ^v^'

But loved this part: "In the end, the thieves learned there is always a bigger fish!". ^^


No, I refuse to take that as playful banter! I am full of indignation! Kinda :P

QuoteOMG!!!!!!! BELLA-sama is FULFILLING OUR LIFELONG DREAM RIGHT BEFORE OUR EYES!!!!!!!!!!!!!! @v@
(and is that a play on "Bill and Ted's"?)


Yes, I couldn't help but make that little pun XD

QuoteAnd OMG!!!!!!!!!! IT'S A SMALL WORLD AFTER ALL!!!!!!!!! @@


Very small!

QuoteAnd and OMG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! SHE STILL HAS VMS-SAMA IN THE BACKGROUND!!!!!!!!! ;^^;


Yes I do!

QuoteAnd and and OMG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! SHE'S A FUGITIVE OF THE LAW TOO BOOT!!!!!!!!!!!! ;^___^;


Wouldn't be the first time I stole food from a stranger's home!

Quote
AAAAAAAAAAAAAnd OMFG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I'M GONNA SWOON OUTSIDE OF AN ART THREAD!!!!!!!!!!!! ;@V@;

*swoons*


OH MEH GAWD ITS A VMS!!!!!!!! @o@

(http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s320/BellasOS-tans/untitled9-1.jpg)

Yes, I finally figured out how to connect via hyperteminal to (the aptly frighteningly named) DeathRow's VMS machine!

I answered the ancient riddle of "what happens when you put a Windows and Linux using, GUI-hugging noob behind the wheel of one of the most powerful OS ever built"...

...

Not much. At first I typed in the wrong password, which got me das boot. Upon typing in the right user name/password, I checked the system info (by typing "show system"), I saw what other users were logged in (show users), and then kinda logged out. ^///^

Nope, VMS doesn't have time for silly games like RSTS/E does. VMS is a worker, not a slacker. XD
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Post by: C-Chan on March 03, 2008, 09:45:57 pm
QuoteOooh...if I'm not mistaken...did you get a new EeePC...?


Fufufu!  But of course, my dear Bella-sama.  ^.^

For testing AND marketing purposes -- once EeePCLOS has all remaining kinks worked out, I'll lend it out to friends and coworkers to show just how far you can take a so-called "cheap" laptop.  ^____^

Suffice to say, I have a lot of people interested now,... figure that if I'm crazy enough to get another one, it MUST be good.  ^^

(Plus a few of them have kids too.)

Oh, and for a picture of my darling new EeePC 2G-chan, check out the Post my Desktop thread.  ^________^

QuoteForgotten about you? We've been plastering the neighborhood with posters! We thought perhaps you were abducted by aliens. Or time-travelers. Or espers :P


Oh, feel free to let me be kidnapped by time-travelers....  ^.^

*lecherous chuckle*

QuoteUh...oh...Someone's been out partying...


My explanation's a bit more graphic in the EeePCLOS forum, but yeah,... you could say that..... ^///^;

QuoteOh wow, C-Chan, your a pig, does that mean you're a 1337 h4x0r script kiddie!?


Unfortunately, that means I'll be a script kiddie for the rest of my life.... T___T

Oh well,... guess I'll just go back to drawing.... -v-;

QuoteSo you mean to say, GNOME has the Mono-based apps built in?


Well,... you know how the new KDE for Windows let's you use KDE4 apps by setting up a temporary KDE compatibility environment in windows, or vice-versa with WINE if you want to run Windows programs in Linux?  Imagine then that KDE4 drivers and stuff were built into Windows, and WINE built into Linux, such that both would be able to run eachother's programs natively?

I guess that's more like what the Mono integration is like.

Granted, just as there are legal ramifications barring the other two scenarios, I can imagine that Mono integration is not necessarily devoid of that either.  

QuoteHmmm....


Just throwing that out there, cause your skills are improving, and just like how you're having a strong attraction to NT's ancestors, I foresee you starting to get more and more curious of Ubuntu's ancestor, Debian-sama.  She's not as easy to use, and she's a lot more rigid about rules and what constitutes "free and open source" (to the point of repackaging Firefox as IceWeasel to avoid legal ramifications from the copyright!!).  But by GAWD is she fast, rock-solid and stable, and fully-loaded with software up the wazoo (in that respect, Ubuntu-san takes after her).  :)

Probably the reason why MEPIS moved back to Debian for its more recent builds....

QuoteWouldn't be the first time I stole food from a stranger's home!


And then she says I creep HER out for singing to my laptop....  @v@;

*inches away slowly*

QuoteOH MEH GAWD ITS A VMS!!!!!!!! @o@


OOH!  Is it no small coincidence that VMS-sama is peering over the window, with that glare of hers that says "use me or die as fish food"?

QuoteI answered the ancient riddle of "what happens when you put a Windows and Linux using, GUI-hugging noob behind the wheel of one of the most powerful OS ever built"...

...

Not much. At first I typed in the wrong password, which got me das boot. Upon typing in the right user name/password, I checked the system info (by typing "show system"), I saw what other users were logged in (show users), and then kinda logged out. ^///^


Chicken!  QUORK!QUORK!QUORK!!!  ^v^;

*distracts Bella while he goes ahead and huddles inside a bunker, terrified of l337 VMS users scoffing at him*

QuoteNope, VMS doesn't have time for silly games like RSTS/E does. VMS is a worker, not a slacker. XD


So when you really think about it,....... we REALLY nailed her personality good, didn't we?  ^.^

Added after 1 minutes:

Oh right, almost forgot...

Three new links filled with 5% fun, 95% frivolities and general "WTF" moments.... ^^'

http://www.channelregister.co.uk/2008/03/01/microsoft_intel_vista_capable_emails/

http://hardware.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/03/03/2052255&from=rss

http://www.networkworld.com/community/node/25567
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Post by: Smokey on March 04, 2008, 12:14:16 pm
Well... Since were on the topic of powerful die hard stuff...
I'm juggling with the idea of learning a 1st or 2nd generation programming language. Seriously now, is machine code hard to learn? (if I'm going to learn a language, it better be a hard-core one... And I prefer Binary machine code over Assembly because it eliminates the need of an Assembler and lets you inject instructions directly in the machine)
'Cuz if I can master that, me and my BeoPup'll make a nice team....*rubs hands in delight*

Added after 2 minutes:

BTW "mastering machine code" means "handling machine code without destroying the system..."  ;010
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Post by: Bella on March 04, 2008, 09:01:14 pm
QuoteFufufu! But of course, my dear Bella-sama. ^.^

For testing AND marketing purposes -- once EeePCLOS has all remaining kinks worked out, I'll lend it out to friends and coworkers to show just how far you can take a so-called "cheap" laptop. ^____^

Suffice to say, I have a lot of people interested now,... figure that if I'm crazy enough to get another one, it MUST be good. ^^

(Plus a few of them have kids too.)

Oh, and for a picture of my darling new EeePC 2G-chan, check out the Post my Desktop thread. ^________^


Oooh, neat! But ya know what this makes you...a EeePC Evangelist! ^_^

QuoteMy explanation's a bit more graphic in the EeePCLOS forum, but yeah,... you could say that..... ^///^;


I see...you and some of the EeePCLOS crew flew out to Vegas for the weekend, and had one heck of a toga party! I always wondered what you Linux developers did in your spare time...

QuoteWell,... you know how the new KDE for Windows let's you use KDE4 apps by setting up a temporary KDE compatibility environment in windows, or vice-versa with WINE if you want to run Windows programs in Linux? Imagine then that KDE4 drivers and stuff were built into Windows, and WINE built into Linux, such that both would be able to run eachother's programs natively?

I guess that's more like what the Mono integration is like.

Granted, just as there are legal ramifications barring the other two scenarios, I can imagine that Mono integration is not necessarily devoid of that either.


Oh, I see...

QuoteJust throwing that out there, cause your skills are improving, and just like how you're having a strong attraction to NT's ancestors, I foresee you starting to get more and more curious of Ubuntu's ancestor, Debian-sama. She's not as easy to use, and she's a lot more rigid about rules and what constitutes "free and open source" (to the point of repackaging Firefox as IceWeasel to avoid legal ramifications from the copyright!!). But by GAWD is she fast, rock-solid and stable, and fully-loaded with software up the wazoo (in that respect, Ubuntu-san takes after her).


Hmmm...I do have different levels of adventurousness, though...while I'm quite curious when it comes to historic OSs, I'm a bit timid about the Linuxes :P

But Debian is very FOSS, huh?

QuoteAnd then she says I creep HER out for singing to my laptop.... @v@;

*inches away slowly*


What? You've never ran out of pancake batter and "barrowed" some from a neighbor? Open windows are as good as an invitation, I say!

QuoteOOH! Is it no small coincidence that VMS-sama is peering over the window, with that glare of hers that says "use me or die as fish food"?


No, it's a coincidence :P

QuoteChicken! QUORK!QUORK!QUORK!!! ^v^;

*distracts Bella while he goes ahead and huddles inside a bunker, terrified of l337 VMS users scoffing at him*


Yesterday I discovered what the VMS users do to folks who try to (unsuccessfully) screw up their machines...they more or less make hand puppets out of them XD


QuoteSo when you really think about it,....... we REALLY nailed her personality good, didn't we? ^.^


No, I take that back...they have a whole menu of games under a different username. VMS can run Adventure like RSTS/E, as well as a bunch of games that use very basic "graphics" you could say, made out of different characters. Really odd, actually, and I can't seem to play any of them : \

QuoteThree new links filled with 5% fun, 95% frivolities and general "WTF" moments.... ^^'

http://www.channelregister.co.uk/2008/03/01/microsoft_intel_vista_capable_emails/

http://hardware.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/03/03/2052255&from=rss

http://www.networkworld.com/community/node/25567


Oh wow...that first one..."You know this stuff goes on. But you're still gobsmacked when the proof turns up." XD

And that last one had me ROTFLMAO!
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Post by: C-Chan on March 05, 2008, 05:19:45 pm
Quote'Cuz if I can master that, me and my BeoPup'll make a nice team....*rubs hands in delight*


11100010101010101100011100101101001010110100000000011110101010100001111101012...?  ^^

Speaking of which, gotta link I just KNOW you're gonna love.  Comments are a riot too....  `v'

http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2008/02/28/ps3s_put_to_use_simulating_blackholes/comments/#c_165999

QuoteOooh, neat! But ya know what this makes you...a EeePC Evangelist!



I prefer the phrase "EeePC Emancipator", thank you very much.... ^.^

QuoteI see...you and some of the EeePCLOS crew flew out to Vegas for the weekend, and had one heck of a toga party! I always wondered what you Linux developers did in your spare time...


Oh but you forget, my dear Bella-sama, of the huge concentration of Linux Developers in Europe.  Hence,... we had the party in Monte Carlo.  ^^;

*does fancy-pants dance*

QuoteHmmm...I do have different levels of adventurousness, though...while I'm quite curious when it comes to historic OSs, I'm a bit timid about the Linuxes :P

But Debian is very FOSS, huh?


To a fault.  ^.^

Their Stable repository is literally 3 years old, and it takes forever for new versions to be added in there.  Heck! They still have Inkscape 0.44 in there!  @o@

QuoteWhat? You've never ran out of pancake batter and "barrowed" some from a neighbor? Open windows are as good as an invitation, I say!


Oh sure I've borrowed pancake batter before, but never "barrowed" them!  My GAWD, that can't be decent...!  *C-chan's imagination runs wild*  @@'

QuoteYesterday I discovered what the VMS users do to folks who try to (unsuccessfully) screw up their machines...they more or less make hand puppets out of them XD


^^;

Considering I'm hand-size, I'm sure I don't want VMS-sama to make me into a hand puppet.  Like being stuffed and put on a wall....  ^^;

QuoteNo, I take that back...they have a whole menu of games under a different username. VMS can run Adventure like RSTS/E, as well as a bunch of games that use very basic "graphics" you could say, made out of different characters. Really odd, actually, and I can't seem to play any of them : \


A lover of odd games is another trait we can add to VMS-sama.  Surely her most closest friends still balk at her preference of "triominoes" in lieu of dominoes.  -v-;

QuoteOh wow...that first one..."You know this stuff goes on. But you're still gobsmacked when the proof turns up." XD

And that last one had me ROTFLMAO!


Another day, another dollar.  
You should see the ongoing scandal with the Yahoo takeover, vis-a-vis their desperate attempt to buy them.... They just don't stop....  ^___^'

It's literally come down to this...

http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?command=viewArticleBasic&taxonomyName=software&articleId=9066798&taxonomyId=18&intsrc=kc_top
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Post by: Smokey on March 05, 2008, 05:59:46 pm
Quote from: "C-Chan"
Quote'Cuz if I can master that, me and my BeoPup'll make a nice team....*rubs hands in delight*


11100010101010101100011100101101001010110100000000011110101010100001111101012...?  ^^

Speaking of which, gotta link I just KNOW you're gonna love.  Comments are a riot too....  `v'

http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2008/02/28/ps3s_put_to_use_simulating_blackholes/comments/#c_165999



OMG, those cell processors are WICKED!!!  ;010
Too bad they are insanely expensive... Besides I'd rather use the raw, simple power of a couple of quad Pentium Pro servers...(that's the fun of knowing a refurbishing company, practically free hardware for such projects :D )

Besides for learning machinecode you're better off with some old (free) 8088 than an expensive PS3 or an IBM blade....

And they were talking about extra processors on a PCI-e card?
I was thinking of OSAC OS on A Card... Put the entire OS on a dedicated PCI-E card with a dedicated processor and memory and leave the CPU and RAM for the applications....That should't be so hard; all you have to do is rewrite the BIOS so that it can recognize such a card as a bootable device...

Now thats fun stuff to be experimenting with... ;010
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Post by: Bella on March 05, 2008, 06:04:45 pm
QuoteSpeaking of which, gotta link I just KNOW you're gonna love. Comments are a riot too.... `v'

http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2008/02/28/ps3s_put_to_use_simulating_blackholes/comments/#c_165999


Wait...someone's using PS3s to simulate black holes? I couldn't find the original article...

QuoteTheir Stable repository is literally 3 years old, and it takes forever for new versions to be added in there. Heck! They still have Inkscape 0.44 in there! @o@


Three years old?! Is this just a great caution when it comes to licenses and stuff, or are they just really...lazy...? ;)

QuoteA lover of odd games is another trait we can add to VMS-sama. Surely her most closest friends still balk at her preference of "triominoes" in lieu of dominoes. -v-;


Not just odd games. You know, the first time DEC publicly ran VMS, back in 1977, they had Ken Olsen play a game of Scrabble against it. VMS won, with the word "sensibly". People were astonished that the machine won!

Too bad they don't have a Scrabble program on their machine...:P

QuoteAnother day, another dollar.
You should see the ongoing scandal with the Yahoo takeover, vis-a-vis their desperate attempt to buy them.... They just don't stop.... ^___^'

It's literally come down to this...


They're like rabid raccoons!  o_o
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Post by: C-Chan on March 07, 2008, 03:24:19 pm
QuoteOMG, those cell processors are WICKED!!!
Too bad they are insanely expensive... Besides I'd rather use the raw, simple power of a couple of quad Pentium Pro servers...(that's the fun of knowing a refurbishing company, practically free hardware for such projects )


Plus you'd be helping to cut down on e-Waste.
You can have a greener Super Computer, AND put Sony's latest botch job inits place.  TvT'

QuoteWait...someone's using PS3s to simulate black holes? I couldn't find the original article...


Yeah, they have about 16 PS3's stacked (literally) in a server room, connected by ethernet cables, and performing good ol' parallel processing (the kind the Smokesters try to build).

It is true the PS3's make [relatively] cheap computers, but given how many restrictions there are in using ALL of its hardware, its probably still more practical working with regular x86 hardware.  :)

QuoteThree years old?! Is this just a great caution when it comes to licenses and stuff, or are they just really...lazy...?  


That depends on who's making fun of them, but I'm sure it's just overt caution.  :P
In contrast, the Debian Sidders update their packages SO frequently, they actually don't even use Synaptic (it's too impractical for daily changes).

QuoteThey're like rabid raccoons!


Would it be hard for you to believe it could be worse?  ^______________^'

http://news.zdnet.co.uk/software/0,1000000121,39362112,00.htm
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Post by: Smokey on March 07, 2008, 05:17:35 pm
Quote from: "C-Chan"Plus you'd be helping to cut down on e-Waste.
You can have a greener Super Computer, AND put Sony's latest botch job inits place.  TvT'


Too bad my 19" 32-port hub didn't feel too green today...It (literally) blew a fuse and took a transistor with him  ;026... (That's a D***ed shame, too... I loved that hub, hosted many a lan-party on that one... I think I'll try to solder a new one in to reanimate it...Not to be green but it's just a nice hub, 10/100 Mbit, too)
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Post by: C-Chan on March 10, 2008, 05:26:15 pm
Okay, a little something for everyone today!!  ^v^

First, something funny and Micro$ofty....

http://www.regdeveloper.co.uk/2008/03/10/bill_hilf_open_source_windows/

Second, something NOT as funny, but interesting....

http://www.itwire.com/content/view/16984/1141/

Third, a little something about the latest KDE4 and the great progress the devs have been making:

http://polishlinux.org/kde/kde-41-visual-changelog-rev-783000/

Fourth, a little something akin to C-chan's Baby Pictures...  ^v^
http://www.linuxloop.com/news/2008/03/08/how-many-linux-umpcs-can-you-name-test-yourself/

And finally, a little something for all you Binteji Renmei lovers out there!!  ^____^

http://computermuseum.50megs.com/collection.htm
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Post by: Bella on March 10, 2008, 06:15:43 pm
QuoteFirst, something funny and Micro$ofty....

http://www.regdeveloper.co.uk/2008/03/10/bill_hilf_open_source_windows/



OMGWTF?! That's all I can say XD

QuoteSecond, something NOT as funny, but interesting....

http://www.itwire.com/content/view/16984/1141/


That's pretty interesting...

QuoteThird, a little something about the latest KDE4 and the great progress the devs have been making:

http://polishlinux.org/kde/kde-41-visual-changelog-rev-783000/


Ooooh...pretty...@__@

QuoteFourth, a little something akin to C-chan's Baby Pictures... ^v^
http://www.linuxloop.com/news/2008/03/08/how-many-linux-umpcs-can-you-name-test-yourself/


Hah...I didn't know there were so many UMPCs being made...

QuoteAnd finally, a little something for all you Binteji Renmei lovers out there!! ^____^

http://computermuseum.50megs.com/collection.htm


Oooh, wow! That site is great! I'll have to look though it more thoroughly when I have the time...

Anyhoo, last Saturday I was flipping though the channels when a show on the Discovery Channel caught my attention. It was called "Download: the true story of the internet", and I swear it could have been produced by a bunch of Linux fans and sponsored by Apple.

They talked about how M$ effectively stamped out Netscape...and OMG, did they make them look bad. And like a bunch of liars, cheats and thieves, as well. They used the term "Microsofties" repeatedly, and I think they called some M$ sales marketers "ninja terrorists" @____@

Needless to say, I was laughing hysterically though half the show...it's really worth a watch!
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Post by: Smokey on March 10, 2008, 06:16:49 pm
Quote from: "C-Chan"And finally, a little something for all you Binteji Renmei lovers out there!!  ^____^

http://computermuseum.50megs.com/collection.htm


That's a nice collection bust also very, very depressing cuz it reminds me of all the stuff i had to get rid of... (including an old unknown computer still running on 8"floppy's and an 8"HDD, and an acorn pc with really cool games  ;102 )
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Post by: C-Chan on March 12, 2008, 11:32:39 am
I miss my old Atari 8-bit as well.   -v-

In other news, here's a little something that I think DOS-chan would appreciate:

http://polishlinux.org/apps/from-dos-to-dosbox/
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Post by: Smokey on March 12, 2008, 11:46:35 am
I appreciate it as well... yes, yes...
Always good, learning history is....
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Post by: Bella on March 12, 2008, 05:00:29 pm
Wow, that's pretty interesting...

I'm too young to have any memories of vintage minicomputers, but I tell you this: I am holding on to my 1998 Compaq (cause if I wait long enough, that'll be an antique, too!)
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Post by: Smokey on March 12, 2008, 05:03:32 pm
I wish I didn't listen to my family... I'd be living as a package stacked between vintage hardware, but it'd be worth is...

*cries eyes out*
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Post by: Bella on March 14, 2008, 04:52:18 pm
QuoteI wish I didn't listen to my family... I'd be living as a package stacked between vintage hardware, but it'd be worth is...

*cries eyes out*


You could have started a computer museum!

I dunno if this is the right thread to babble on about this, but we are for alternative OSs and stuff and this seems to fit :P

So, I decided to solve the mystery as to why Ubuntu (and Ubuntu-based gOS) can go online when running in a virtual machine, but no other distros (that I've tried-namely Zenwalk). So I decide to load up SAM, and, after following the setup instructions, it could connect. I got all excited; now I know that PCLOS-based distros could connect to the internet in a VM. Next, I gave Puppy Linux a try, and after using the connection wizard, it could go online too. It's at this point when I realize four out of the five distros I've used can go online from within a VM, which makes Zenwalk the exception.

Zenwalk, a Slackware based distro, being difficult? Nah, that can't be!

*subtle sarcasm*

I've discovered something millions before me knew about, I feel like Columbus XD

Though it could just be because it didn't install correctly, which means I could either go though that ordeal again or download the LiveCD. I'm feeling to lazy to try either.
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Post by: Smokey on March 14, 2008, 07:28:14 pm
Hmmm...Layness...Familiar problem, along with distraction....(I'm trying to get the hang of, say 10 emulated mini-computers and super-mini's, just to see if I can find something ancient wich pwns windows...:D wich I have)
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Post by: Bella on March 15, 2008, 12:47:27 pm
QuoteHmmm...Layness...Familiar problem, along with distraction....(I'm trying to get the hang of, say 10 emulated mini-computers and super-mini's, just to see if I can find something ancient wich pwns windows... wich I have)


Oh yeah, you've been playing around with emulated minicomputers. I saw that in the Screenshots thread ^_^

In other news, I went to the Zenwalk homepage to see if that could offer any clues as to setting up a connection (since there doesn't seem to be a wizard or anything), and I found out that, supposedly, Zenwalk is very difficult to run under Virtualbox. But it has been running fine for me.

http://wiki.zenwalk.org/index.php?title=Zenwalk_on_Virtualbox_%28Guest%29

Hmmm...My friend's technopathy must have rubbed off on me a bit :P
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Post by: C-Chan on March 24, 2008, 12:46:14 am
*sits back on couch*

Ahhhh,... my old club, how I've missed you.  ^^

Nothing of EXTREME interest to report in the world of alternative computing... except that the new wave of cheap, mini Linux desktops is approaching....

http://us.shuttle.com/kpc/index.htm

The KPC runs for $200USB, but has specs comparable to my EeePCs.  The XPC has more staying power though, and chalks up only $300USD.  'Fice to say, I preordered an XPC already (as the KPC's are already out of stock).  @.@

Not really feeling the Foresight Linux distro, so I'll probably swap it for,... gee,... I wonder what....?  ;D

QuoteSo, I decided to solve the mystery as to why Ubuntu (and Ubuntu-based gOS) can go online when running in a virtual machine, but no other distros (that I've tried-namely Zenwalk). So I decide to load up SAM, and, after following the setup instructions, it could connect. I got all excited; now I know that PCLOS-based distros could connect to the internet in a VM. Next, I gave Puppy Linux a try, and after using the connection wizard, it could go online too. It's at this point when I realize four out of the five distros I've used can go online from within a VM, which makes Zenwalk the exception.


Oooh, I'm so proud of Bella-sama's heightened sense of adventure!  ^.^
Is that version of SAM the 2008 version, or the older one?

I could give Zenwalk a go myself in Virtualbox, just to see if I can have a whack at it.  But you might have to accept the possibility that it may not have the best (or at least the most "plug n play") hardware support around.  Many distros still may not hold a candle to Knoppix or Mandriva.  ^^'

Of all the Slack-based distributions, though, the one that I really want to try out is Slax.  The latest versions perfects the use of LZMA compression, which means that those already insanely-small LiveCDs could be made to store even MORE data per disk.  The current Gzipped PCLOS livecd.sqfs file weighs in at about 700MB, but with LZMA compression it could potentially weigh in between 400 to 500MB.  It's amazing stuff, but requires a lot of work on the kernel end to implement.

That makes the Slaxsters something like bold pioneers.  ^^

BTW, Bella-sama,...  ^.^

Would you be interested...

Perhaps....

In trying THIS out in your virtualbox....?  ^___^

http://linuxtracker.org/index.php?page=torrent-details&id=24c46b9bcec895fa030e0ff8bffd50aaee56bd91
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Post by: Bella on March 24, 2008, 01:17:33 am
Quote*sits back on couch*

Ahhhh,... my old club, how I've missed you. ^^

Nothing of EXTREME interest to report in the world of alternative computing... except that the new wave of cheap, mini Linux desktops is approaching....

http://us.shuttle.com/kpc/index.htm

The KPC runs for $200USB, but has specs comparable to my EeePCs. The XPC has more staying power though, and chalks up only $300USD. 'Fice to say, I preordered an XPC already (as the KPC's are already out of stock). @.@


Ooooh...those are cute...

QuoteNot really feeling the Foresight Linux distro, so I'll probably swap it for,... gee,... I wonder what....? ;D


Hell yeah Ubuntu!

*jumps up and down and shakes head rock-star style*

....wait....oh yeah....

QuoteOooh, I'm so proud of Bella-sama's heightened sense of adventure! ^.^
Is that version of SAM the 2008 version, or the older one?

I could give Zenwalk a go myself in Virtualbox, just to see if I can have a whack at it. But you might have to accept the possibility that it may not have the best (or at least the most "plug n play") hardware support around. Many distros still may not hold a candle to Knoppix or Mandriva. ^^'


That was the older version of SAM. A real blast from the past!

Kinda given up on getting Zenwalk to go online....

QuoteBTW, Bella-sama,... ^.^

Would you be interested...

Perhaps....

In trying THIS out in your virtualbox....? ^___^

http://linuxtracker.org/index.php?page=torrent-details&id=24c46b9bcec895fa030e0ff8bffd50aaee56bd91


Ooooh...you know how to get to my sense of Linux wanderlust :P

Yeah, maybe I'll give it a try. Playing around with SAM showed me how...interesting...PCLOS-based distros are...
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Post by: C-Chan on March 24, 2008, 05:30:20 pm
Fufufu... not just that,... have you given the EeePCLOS Beta3 Change Log a look through?  See anyone familiar there?  :P

*revels with joy*

Added after 42 minutes:

On the news arena....

Something to make me swoon:

http://blogs.computerworld.com/iphones_biggest_competition_eee_pc_asus

And something that better illustrates the whole Mono issue I mentioned earlier:

http://boycottnovell.com/2008/03/24/mono-danger-to-linux/
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Post by: Smokey on March 24, 2008, 08:56:25 pm
well i am proud to announce my next offensive against Windows (Vista)!!!

I will try to install Fedora-sama and have her try to handle my games with Wine... :D ;010
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Post by: C-Chan on March 25, 2008, 12:22:36 pm
Fufu... good luck.  You might want to wait around until Wine 1.0 -- yes, after 15 years, it will finally reach 1.0 status in May!  ^v^

*cheers*

Speaking of offensive, check out the latest Groklaw articles for MORE of the dramatic saga that is the OOXML ISO vote....  ^-^;

http://groklaw.net/
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Post by: Smokey on March 25, 2008, 12:50:24 pm
Damn you, Microsoft-kun... For thinking that you are better than everyone else, and are thus allowed to break rules as you please.....

*Imagines MS stock values plummiting*

Heh, a just punishment for all you did...
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Post by: Bella on March 25, 2008, 07:41:37 pm
QuoteFufufu... not just that,... have you given the EeePCLOS Beta3 Change Log a look through? See anyone familiar there? :P


Heehee, I saw your username there. But I tried downloading that, and there weren't enough seeders so it went nowhere: /

I might give good ol', full-sized PCLOS a try, though....

QuoteAdded after 42 minutes:

On the news arena....

Something to make me swoon:

http://blogs.computerworld.com/iphones_biggest_competition_eee_pc_asus

And something that better illustrates the whole Mono issue I mentioned earlier:

http://boycottnovell.com/2008/03/24/mono-danger-to-linux/


Hah...I can't believe they compared the EeePC to the iPhone. You know what this means, an EeePC/iPhone-tan catfight picture! JK, JK...

And yeah...Mono is sounding worse by the second...

Quotewell i am proud to announce my next offensive against Windows (Vista)!!!

I will try to install Fedora-sama and have her try to handle my games with Wine...


Fedora, eh? Never given much thought to it, I always thought it was something of a server distro. As for Wine; I've heard mixed stories about it...
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Post by: Smokey on March 25, 2008, 10:08:03 pm
nah Fedora-sama is a full home-user desktop... try a LiveCD version sometimes, you'll like it... :D
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Post by: C-Chan on March 28, 2008, 10:59:20 am
Yeah, Fedora is quite nifty.  ^__^

Ran it a while back myself on a virtual machine.  ^.^

BTW, it just won't stop.... @.@

http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20080328090328998
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Post by: Smokey on March 28, 2008, 11:01:59 am
I do have to say, now, that Fedora has her butt kicked by Freespire... :D (Fedora doesn't recognize my rtl8187 wifi card, and Freespire autoconfigs it from a liveCD :D)
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Post by: C-Chan on March 28, 2008, 11:21:00 am
Then again,... Freespire's onee-san is also sleeping with some pretty bad company...

Have you tried Mandriva or PCLinuxOS 2008 yet?

(actually PCLOS 2008 isn't released yet, but MiniME 2008 is ready.  ;) )
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Post by: Smokey on March 28, 2008, 11:30:13 am
Well I have a PCLOS-Livedistro running on my lappie, wich works okay... (I guess she and my Mandriva LiveCD can get the wifi on my desktop working too... :D )
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Post by: C-Chan on March 28, 2008, 11:32:56 am
*squeals with delight*

In that case, ma work is done!   ^^

Regardless of whether you use the goddess PCLOS-sama, or Mama Mandriva, or even the cute SAM-chan,... 'tis all gravy.  And if you ever decide to get an EeePC and put EeePCLinuxOS on it, you'll find it infused with plenty of Essence O' C-chan.   ;010
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Post by: Smokey on March 28, 2008, 11:38:21 am
HEHE... I have now (here comes a list... :D)

*Freespire LiveCD
*Mandriva 2008 LiveCD
*PCLOS LiveCD
*RIP Linux LiveCD
*DSL LiveCD
*Linux System Rescue (live-)CD
*Ubuntu LiveCD
*ClusterKNOPPIX LiveCD
*Fedora LiveCD and Install DVD

9 Different Distro's ;010
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Post by: C-Chan on March 28, 2008, 11:48:56 am
Don't forget to add the very latest vanilla Knoppix (I'm guessing ClusterKnoppix is still based on the old one).  It's almost guaranteed to swoon.  ^.^

http://www.knoppix.com/

SLAX might be an interesting diversion, since it uses LZMA compression for its LiveCD.  That current gzipped LiveCDs offer so much preinstalled software in a Live environment is amazing enough -- but with a superior compression method, the space savings is downright mind-blowing!   ;133
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Post by: Smokey on March 28, 2008, 11:53:35 am
ClusterKNOPPIX is designed to run ComputerClusters (along with CHAOS, wich i'll download too...)
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Post by: Bella on March 28, 2008, 05:48:13 pm
Quotenah Fedora-sama is a full home-user desktop... try a LiveCD version sometimes, you'll like it...


QuoteYeah, Fedora is quite nifty. ^__^

Ran it a while back myself on a virtual machine. ^.^


Maybe I always thought it was a strictly sever OS because of its connections with Red Hat Linux...

QuoteBTW, it just won't stop.... @.@

http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20080328090328998


True that...

QuoteI do have to say, now, that Fedora has her butt kicked by Freespire...  (Fedora doesn't recognize my rtl8187 wifi card, and Freespire autoconfigs it from a liveCD )


QuoteThen again,... Freespire's onee-san is also sleeping with some pretty bad company...


Hmmm...never thought about trying any of the Windows wannabe distros...mostly cause, when using Linux, I want to get as far away from Windows as possible :P

QuoteHEHE... I have now (here comes a list... )

*Freespire LiveCD
*Mandriva 2008 LiveCD
*PCLOS LiveCD
*RIP Linux LiveCD
*DSL LiveCD
*Linux System Rescue (live-)CD
*Ubuntu LiveCD
*ClusterKNOPPIX LiveCD
*Fedora LiveCD and Install DVD

9 Different Distro's


Ooooh...let me see...since last spring, I have tried...

-Partition Magic (which is a partitioning CD)
-Puppy Linux
-BareBones Puppy Linux, though this was accidental and quite scary O__o
-Zenwalk (I have the Live and install CD)
-SAM 2007
-Ubuntu 7.10
-gOS

So, I'm at 7, 6 if you count the two Puppy Linuxes as the same, and 5 if you don't count Partition Magic :P
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Post by: Smokey on March 28, 2008, 06:49:33 pm
But there's so much choice.....

*unnnnnggggg*

I WANN'EM ALL!!! :D
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Post by: Bella on March 28, 2008, 08:48:51 pm
Okay, so I gave PCLOS a try and I liked it, so I installed it in my VM. I was a bit bugged by the small resolution of the screen, so I try changing it from its original setting to a larger one (I forget exactly which one). Anyhow, when I rebooted, X Window System wouldn't start; the bootscreen was verbose, and at the login I got a command line. Upon trying again, the same thing happened...

Yes, I think I screwed something up ^////^
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Post by: C-Chan on March 28, 2008, 09:49:49 pm
Wait, is that vanilla PCLOS, MiniME or EeePCLOS?  :)

Well this works on all three, but just wondering either way since EeePCLOS is designed for smaller resolutions (800x480, naturally).  ;D

When you're in the login prompt in the command line, type "guest" as your login name, then "guest" again as your password.

Once you're logged in as guest, type "pcc" to bring up the command line version of the PCLinuxOS Control Center.

When it prompts you for your password, type "root".

From there, you'll be able to remodify your Display settings.  

Select Display, then play around with the driver as well as the screen resolution settings. You'll be able to test this if you want on the spot.  If you get something that displays properly on Test, then you can save and restart your VM.  

If you still have problems, consider switching to Xorg>Vesa as your display driver.  Not the best solution, but it will always work.  :)
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Post by: Smokey on March 29, 2008, 11:20:30 am
*Smokey tries not to laugh, but is happy with the way a LiveDistro "forgets" everything on a reboot...* :D
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Post by: C-Chan on March 29, 2008, 09:26:37 pm
Wah?  @0@

It is true that the run-of-the-mill LiveCD saves stuff on the RAMdisk so it won't carryover to the next session.

But certain distros (e.g., PCLOS, Ubuntu, Puppy) can be given Persistence (either through a separate partition or a special loop image), so they can remember all your changes and settings while still remaining as a Live environment.  ^^
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Post by: Smokey on March 29, 2008, 09:30:40 pm
didn't know that... i knew you can acces the drives and format/partition them or acces stuff thats on them...
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Post by: C-Chan on March 29, 2008, 09:52:39 pm
Oooh my friend,... in that case you've just scratched the surface of all the groovy stuff you can do with LiveCDs.  ^.^

In any event, to build persistence, check out some of the guides shown here:

http://www.pendrivelinux.com/

My distribution,... EeePCLOS... relies on LiveUSB w/persitence, so our installer does that much more easily.  ^__^
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Post by: Smokey on March 29, 2008, 09:56:50 pm
ooh nice, more knowledge... :D

And in th meantime, i found a cat cosplaying you, C-Chan... :D

(http://icanhascheezburger.files.wordpress.com/2007/09/128340259094218750disisembarasin.jpg)
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Post by: Bella on March 29, 2008, 11:43:11 pm
Haha...a cat cosplaying C-Chan! Now I've seen everything :P

QuoteWait, is that vanilla PCLOS, MiniME or EeePCLOS?

Well this works on all three, but just wondering either way since EeePCLOS is designed for smaller resolutions (800x480, naturally). ;D

When you're in the login prompt in the command line, type "guest" as your login name, then "guest" again as your password.

Once you're logged in as guest, type "pcc" to bring up the command line version of the PCLinuxOS Control Center.

When it prompts you for your password, type "root".

From there, you'll be able to remodify your Display settings.

Select Display, then play around with the driver as well as the screen resolution settings. You'll be able to test this if you want on the spot. If you get something that displays properly on Test, then you can save and restart your VM.

If you still have problems, consider switching to Xorg>Vesa as your display driver. Not the best solution, but it will always work.


It's just PCLOS. But I followed what you said, and I got my GUI back. I also played around with the settings a bit, and got a bigger screen resolution. Thanks.

I'm liking PCLOS. Right off the bat it reminded me a lot of SAM (duh). It's a bit slower than other distros I've tried in my VM, but I suppose this could be because KDE is a little heavier than GNOME and Xfce, right? Anyhow, I'm writing from it right now, and I posted my screenshot in the screenshots thread  ;010

QuoteIt is true that the run-of-the-mill LiveCD saves stuff on the RAMdisk so it won't carryover to the next session.

But certain distros (e.g., PCLOS, Ubuntu, Puppy) can be given Persistence (either through a separate partition or a special loop image), so they can remember all your changes and settings while still remaining as a Live environment. ^^


This I didn't know, either...

QuoteIn any event, to build persistence, check out some of the guides shown here:

http://www.pendrivelinux.com/

My distribution,... EeePCLOS... relies on LiveUSB w/persitence, so our installer does that much more easily. ^__^


Ooooh, so EeePCLOS could act as a pen drive distro, too...?
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Post by: Smokey on March 30, 2008, 12:07:59 am
DSL can, too... (basically a lot of distro's that fit on a USB-drive can be installed on one, i guess)
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Post by: C-Chan on March 30, 2008, 02:46:46 pm
QuoteAnd in th meantime, i found a cat cosplaying you, C-Chan...


Oh,... where's my "LOLZ" when I need it.... ^^'

*trucks arrives with new shipment of "LOL"'s*

FINALLY!  Just in the nick of time!  ^v^

*LOLZ!!!*

QuoteIt's just PCLOS. But I followed what you said, and I got my GUI back. I also played around with the settings a bit, and got a bigger screen resolution. Thanks.


Anytime.  ^.^
The one benefit to PCLOS is that I can at least offer a little better technical support with it.  ^___^

QuoteI'm liking PCLOS. Right off the bat it reminded me a lot of SAM (duh). It's a bit slower than other distros I've tried in my VM, but I suppose this could be because KDE is a little heavier than GNOME and Xfce, right? Anyhow, I'm writing from it right now, and I posted my screenshot in the screenshots thread  


Well true that in that KDE 3.5 is generally more RAM-intensive than Gnome, and certainly XFCE.  However, it has been my observation that PCLOS and Windows Virtualboxes don't mix, as performance is generally far worse on it than if run on its own.  Especially on old hardware, KDE or not, it runs much snappier than Ubuntu even (although Debian still bests the two in terms of boot-up and performance).

It might be RAM issue, though, so you might want to give MiniME 2008 a try.  It's blazing fast (because it's a barebones system) and will give you a taste of what PCLOS 2008 will look like.  (with a newer kernel and updated drivers, it definitely makes PCLOS 2007 seem outdated... ^^')

QuoteThis I didn't know, either...


Unfortunately I didn't know enough about this earlier myself, or else this would've been perfect that one time you tried installed SAM-chan onto your external hard drive.  ^^'

But as they say:  "Now you know,.... and knowing is half the battle"  ^_______^;

QuoteOoooh, so EeePCLOS could act as a pen drive distro, too...?


But of course, milady!  ^V^

In fact, the new EeePCLOS Compressed Installer (which I modified quite a bit) is based on a new LiveUSB maker still in progress, so it does have LiveUSB-making capabilities.

If you're interested... (although do so only AFTER you've tried MiniME '08, so I can see if it detects your hardware better), I have a bunch of tutorials I wrote that I can share with you.  ^___^

QuoteDSL can, too... (basically a lot of distro's that fit on a USB-drive can be installed on one, i guess)


Yeah, basically a LiveUSB is just a flash drive containing the contents of a LiveCD, and assigned a bootflag.  It also needs a bootloader of some sort,... either using GRUB (which is what EeePCLOS uses), or by replacing isolinux.cfg with syslinux.cfg and formatting the drive accordingly.

Added after 13 hours 56 minutes:

Interesting article.... ^___~

http://blog.epicedits.com/2008/03/28/60-of-photoshop-users-are-pirates/
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Post by: Bella on March 30, 2008, 07:44:19 pm
QuoteWell true that in that KDE 3.5 is generally more RAM-intensive than Gnome, and certainly XFCE. However, it has been my observation that PCLOS and Windows Virtualboxes don't mix, as performance is generally far worse on it than if run on its own. Especially on old hardware, KDE or not, it runs much snappier than Ubuntu even (although Debian still bests the two in terms of boot-up and performance).


Well, K8 only has a measly 512 MB of RAM...and about half is going to the VM, so that's understandable...

QuoteIt might be RAM issue, though, so you might want to give MiniME 2008 a try. It's blazing fast (because it's a barebones system) and will give you a taste of what PCLOS 2008 will look like. (with a newer kernel and updated drivers, it definitely makes PCLOS 2007 seem outdated... ^^')


I thought MiniMe was a bit more difficult to work with, though?

QuoteUnfortunately I didn't know enough about this earlier myself, or else this would've been perfect that one time you tried installed SAM-chan onto your external hard drive. ^^'

But as they say: "Now you know,.... and knowing is half the battle" ^_______^;


QuoteBut of course, milady! ^V^

In fact, the new EeePCLOS Compressed Installer (which I modified quite a bit) is based on a new LiveUSB maker still in progress, so it does have LiveUSB-making capabilities.

If you're interested... (although do so only AFTER you've tried MiniME '08, so I can see if it detects your hardware better), I have a bunch of tutorials I wrote that I can share with you. ^___^


Interesting...I have a pen drive that's been lying around (and just being used for transferring files and stuff) so maybe I'll try installing a distro on it. Again. :P

QuoteInteresting article.... ^___~

http://blog.epicedits.com/2008/03/28/60-of-photoshop-users-are-pirates/


Yup, that sounds 'bout right...
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Post by: Smokey on March 31, 2008, 08:03:31 am
If I am not mistaken, and MiniMe is the standard LiveCD edition of PCLOS, then it isn't so hard to work with...
In fact i'd say it is more user-friendly than Fedora...
(Fedora looks and feels smooth, but i think i'll replace her with someone who can handle my wifi card, on the fly...
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Post by: C-Chan on March 31, 2008, 01:25:28 pm
*drops in quickly*

Well point of fact,... MiniME '08 is only difficult to use as far as the fact that it's essentially a bare-bones version of the PCLinuxOS livecd.

That's almost like saying that an N-lited barebones version of Windows XP is more difficult to use than a prebundled version of it -- which MIGHT be true if you don't know what you need/want to install in the system.

But in the case of PCLOS, almost the entirety of the base install is already available in MiniME, and (once uncompressed) can be fit into a 1.5GB footprint.  

After that, it's simply a matter of adding in programs you want from the repos (e.g., Open Office, Mozilla Firefox, Kaffeine, Pidgin, Inkscape,etc), as well as extra KDE functions that might have been stripped away to make the system barebones (e.g., xscreensavers, Kdeartwork, wallpapers, cursor themes, integrated KDE audio conversion and ark compression plugins, media codecs, etc).

In short, MiniME allows you to build your ideal system from scratch, so it's ease is directly proportional to your love and patience for "lego-like" systems.  :P

*slips back out again*
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Post by: Smokey on March 31, 2008, 01:47:51 pm
Well, I'm still not sure with what i should replace Fedora, yet...
Might as well be Freespire...

*stands in deep thought*
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Post by: C-Chan on March 31, 2008, 02:03:58 pm
At times like this, a little "spin the bottle" never hurts.  :P

(http://www.wineanorak.com/blog/uploaded_images/bottle_sample-759162.jpg)
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Post by: Smokey on April 01, 2008, 01:53:29 pm
Meanwhile...Check who's copying ASUS...

http://www.belinea.com/en/s_line/lineview_tagline.jsp?node=652
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Post by: C-Chan on April 01, 2008, 03:43:30 pm
Actually, it looks a lot more like the cloudbook.  :P

Besides, it doesn't look like it's gonna sell cheap and it doesn't have Linux (they recommend Vista right off the bat  @___@ ), so it only looks like all the countless arm-and-a-leg EXPENSIVE UMPCs that came LONG before the beautiful Asus EeePC.  ^_____^'

It's one of those instances where you don't get what you pay for.  -v-;

Added after 3 minutes:

PS:  This is painful to post, cause this is as funny as I am demure (hint: not very)....

http://sonoftheclayr.info/?a=view&id=27

...but with a lot more polish, it could've made for a cool April Fool's.  ^^'
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Post by: NejinOniwa on April 01, 2008, 04:56:52 pm
QuotePS: This is painful to post, cause this is as funny as I am demure (hint: not very)....

http://sonoftheclayr.info/?a=view&id=27

...but with a lot more polish, it could've made for a cool April Fool's. ^^'

I facepalm'd.
Twice.
And Hard.

My hand hurts now, uguu~ ;_;
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Post by: Smokey on April 02, 2008, 01:32:53 pm
QuotePS: This is painful to post, cause this is as funny as I am demure (hint: not very)....

http://sonoftheclayr.info/?a=view&id=27

...but with a lot more polish, it could've made for a cool April Fool's. ^^'



The server timed out on me... :(
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Post by: Bella on April 02, 2008, 03:04:52 pm
QuotePS: This is painful to post, cause this is as funny as I am demure (hint: not very)....

http://sonoftheclayr.info/?a=view&id=27

...but with a lot more polish, it could've made for a cool April Fool's. ^^'


Hawhaw XD

Yeah, that really could have been better...

In other news, yesterday Ubuntu had what I like to call a "rare Unix moment"...on bootup, it did a file system check...yay! My first fsck!  

...wait, that didn't sound right....;026
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Post by: C-Chan on April 03, 2008, 10:40:27 am
QuoteIn other news, yesterday Ubuntu had what I like to call a "rare Unix moment"...on bootup, it did a file system check...yay! My first fsck!


Fufufu... Bella-san got some yesterday.  ^__________^
No but seriously,... I remember when I used to get those too back when I thought having a giant FAT32 home partition was a good idea.  ^.^
That's another reason why you don't need to defrag a Linux system -- the drives that CAN get fragmented are checked regularly (unless you specifically tell it not too).  ^__~

In other news,....

EXTRA EXTRA!!! READ ALL ABOUT IT!!!!

LINUX SAVES XP!!!!  ^__^

http://www.desktoplinux.com/news/NS5398830397.html

Added after 16 minutes:

Or not.....? O___o

http://www.networkworld.com/community/node/26569
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Post by: NejinOniwa on April 03, 2008, 11:18:19 am
Bink lroken. -.-
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Post by: Smokey on April 03, 2008, 02:34:18 pm
No it's not... :D

But worrying news, though...
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Post by: NejinOniwa on April 03, 2008, 05:46:12 pm
Now it works...didn't before ^_^ Server down I guess.
On the other hand, XP SP3 DO WANT.
(just a bit scared of all the shit they might put into it, like DRM and crap >_> )
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Post by: Smokey on April 03, 2008, 05:48:37 pm
I update as little as possible.....
(bit paranoid too... )
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Post by: Bella on April 05, 2008, 03:14:09 pm
QuoteFufufu... Bella-san got some yesterday. ^__________^
No but seriously,... I remember when I used to get those too back when I thought having a giant FAT32 home partition was a good idea. ^.^
That's another reason why you don't need to defrag a Linux system -- the drives that CAN get fragmented are checked regularly (unless you specifically tell it not too). ^__~


So they can get fragmented? I didn't know that. Though it all depends on the filesystem, I guess...

QuoteIn other news,....

EXTRA EXTRA!!! READ ALL ABOUT IT!!!!

LINUX SAVES XP!!!! ^__^

http://www.desktoplinux.com/news/NS5398830397.html


Why am I wanting to do a comic where Linux-sama saves XP-san's life @__@

QuoteOr not.....? O___o

http://www.networkworld.com/community/node/26569


Or not :P

But seriously, I've been mulling it over about buying an XP installation disk...just in case I either, sometime down the line:
a) get a gBook or something and want to install it
or
b) buy a Mac, get sentimental for XP, and virtualize it

QuoteNow it works...didn't before  Server down I guess.
On the other hand, XP SP3 DO WANT.
(just a bit scared of all the shit they might put into it, like DRM and crap >


Yeah, this is the reason why I'd be a bit scared to buy an XP SP3 installation disk : \

QuoteI update as little as possible.....
(bit paranoid too... )


I don't even update at all...
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Post by: Smokey on April 05, 2008, 07:45:40 pm
Quote from: "Bella"So they can get fragmented? I didn't know that. Though it all depends on the filesystem, I guess...


All HDD's that have regular read/write actions, fragment...
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Post by: C-Chan on April 06, 2008, 02:20:31 am
Hi all!  Stopping by for a quick visit,... planning on something a little more permanent tomorrow.  ^^

QuoteSo they can get fragmented? I didn't know that. Though it all depends on the filesystem, I guess...


Sou sou... ^.^
You remember a while ago I sent you the link that illustrates the difference between linear and journaled file systems.  On a USB stick, it's generally not a problem at all keeping it as FAT32, since you're not going to write frequently to it as you would do when running a full-fledged OS with lots of background services.  (aside from the fact it increases compatiblity).

QuoteYeah, this is the reason why I'd be a bit scared to buy an XP SP3 installation disk : \


Yeah, if you ask me, I'd much rather work with SP1 installation disks.  I'm more comfortable with its no-frills, hands-off approach.  :P

(and yeah, I can say that now cause I've had to fix quite a few Win boxes lately...  ^^')

In other news, it seems SCO's dream to continue to be a pain in the ass have failed... for now.... so guess she'll have to keep those bandages until her "benefactors" find some other way to keep her in court....  ^_______^

http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20080405090444387
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Post by: Bella on April 08, 2008, 07:35:29 pm
QuoteSou sou... ^.^
You remember a while ago I sent you the link that illustrates the difference between linear and journaled file systems. On a USB stick, it's generally not a problem at all keeping it as FAT32, since you're not going to write frequently to it as you would do when running a full-fledged OS with lots of background services. (aside from the fact it increases compatiblity).


Oh yeah, I remember that article...

QuoteYeah, if you ask me, I'd much rather work with SP1 installation disks. I'm more comfortable with its no-frills, hands-off approach. :P


If I recall correctly, under add/remove programs there's an option to uninstall SP2; I haven't tried uninstalling it, though...: \

QuoteIn other news, it seems SCO's dream to continue to be a pain in the ass have failed... for now.... so guess she'll have to keep those bandages until her "benefactors" find some other way to keep her in court.... ^_______^

http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20080405090444387


It just never ends O____o
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Post by: Smokey on April 08, 2008, 08:21:26 pm
of course it'll never end...That's a good thing :D
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Post by: C-Chan on April 09, 2008, 12:24:34 pm
Yo all!  I'm back for visitation again.  ^__^

There's a new UMPC in the market....

http://www.portal.itproportal.com/articles/2008/04/09/hp-2133-mini-laptop-challenges-asuss-eee-pc/

But for the price and the size, it's not really THAT competitive to be honest.  Plus I promised myself I'd never look at HP again....  T__T

....

...And that's OpenSUSE.. T______T

........

Also uses a VIA chip, but at least they seem to have gotten the message...

http://www.linux-watch.com/news/NS3589706949.html

...granted I'm getting a feeling of deja vu, this is absolutely pivotal if they want to stay even marginally competitive with Intel's new Atom processors.  

Hopefully that means I can finally get 3D acceleration working properly in VIA machines.  ^^
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Post by: Smokey on April 09, 2008, 07:12:22 pm
Hmmmm, for some reason i have no problems at all with gaming on my machine...
Then again i do have nVidia... :D
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Post by: C-Chan on April 10, 2008, 10:13:12 am
So do I.  Ironically, Nvidia offers very good support for Linux, with ATI still playing catch-up despite its prior commitments.  Nothing beats Intel Integrated, though, in terms of shear stability -- in fact, my next baby will have an integrated chip...  :)

http://us.shuttle.com/kpc/index.htm

VIA, though, has a LOOOOOOOOONG ways to go....
Probably the reason why Everex chose Intel for its latest flagship product:

http://www.slashgear.com/everex-myminipc-with-gos-space-29-and-myspace-apps-they-have-truly-taken-the-budget-pc-to-a-whole-new-level-0711064.php
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Post by: Bella on April 10, 2008, 05:22:45 pm
QuoteYo all! I'm back for visitation again. ^__^

There's a new UMPC in the market....

http://www.portal.itproportal.com/articles/2008/04/09/hp-2133-mini-laptop-challenges-asuss-eee-pc/

But for the price and the size, it's not really THAT competitive to be honest. Plus I promised myself I'd never look at HP again.... T__T

....

...And that's OpenSUSE.. T______T

........

Also uses a VIA chip, but at least they seem to have gotten the message...


We have an HP hater in the house, huh?

Bah, I think I'm done with just about every major hardware manufacturer; at this point, the only companies I'd think about buying from is Apple or Everex. :P

Quotehttp://www.linux-watch.com/news/NS3589706949.html

...granted I'm getting a feeling of deja vu, this is absolutely pivotal if they want to stay even marginally competitive with Intel's new Atom processors.

Hopefully that means I can finally get 3D acceleration working properly in VIA machines. ^^


Hmmm...so they're doing this so that there can be more driver compatibility...?

QuoteSo do I. Ironically, Nvidia offers very good support for Linux, with ATI still playing catch-up despite its prior commitments. Nothing beats Intel Integrated, though, in terms of shear stability -- in fact, my next baby will have an integrated chip...

http://us.shuttle.com/kpc/index.htm


I never had a single problem with any Linux distros, and K8 uses ATI...: /

Awww, those KPCs are so cute ^_^

QuoteVIA, though, has a LOOOOOOOOONG ways to go....
Probably the reason why Everex chose Intel for its latest flagship product:

http://www.slashgear.com/everex-myminipc-with-gos-space-29-and-myspace-apps-they-have-truly-taken-the-budget-pc-to-a-whole-new-level-0711064.php


*continues to drool*

Wow...I have a relative who may be looking for a new computer soon...he just wants it to check his emails and web browse, so I've suggested he look into buying a gBook or gPC...
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Post by: Smokey on April 10, 2008, 05:25:29 pm
Or you can buy an old PIII, replace the coolers with silent ones and install Linux...Great for browsing/mailing, heck, a 486DX2 would do the job... :D
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Post by: C-Chan on April 11, 2008, 01:38:23 am
QuoteHmmm...so they're doing this so that there can be more driver compatibility...?


Mmmmm-hmmmm, and about time too.  Given Linux can make their crappy processors a bit more respectable (while maintaing the low price point), it only makes sense to support them as it gains more market share.

QuoteI never had a single problem with any Linux distros, and K8 uses ATI...: /


Well you've drawn all the main free BSD sisters AND their mother, so of course you're gonna be graced with "the devil's luck".  ^v^'

QuoteAwww, those KPCs are so cute


I just finished playing with mine!  It is literally about the size of a toaster (maybe yay wider) and very elegant.  It's also a little louder than I thought, but that might be because I got the heftier model (the K4500).  

In all respects I love it........... but only after installing my homebrewed PCLinuxOS install, which works like a charm.  ^____^

Otherwise, the stock OS it comes with (Foresight Linux) sucks.  If they wanted Gnome, then Ubuntu or Fedora Core would've been light years better..... T__T

QuoteWow...I have a relative who may be looking for a new computer soon...he just wants it to check his emails and web browse, so I've suggested he look into buying a gBook or gPC...


It's a shame that the MygPCMini is so expensive relative to its hardware.  It's also a shame I can't recommend a cheap, small KPC,...

Although Foresight is kinda/sorta like Ubuntu, it uses the new experimental Conary package management system, which although technically superior to DEB/RPM doesn't have a cool GUI like Synaptic to manage installations.  Hence it's awkward, unintuitive and in desperate need of further development.  :(

QuoteOr you can buy an old PIII, replace the coolers with silent ones and install Linux...Great for browsing/mailing, heck, a 486DX2 would do the job...


True that, although then again none of those old computers are the size of an internal CDROM drive. :P

For the MygPCMini, you really are paying for the small size and weight premium more than anything.
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Post by: Smokey on April 11, 2008, 07:19:28 am
True... Old PC's weren't built with minituarisation in mind, but it's greener than buying a new one... ;010
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Post by: Bella on April 12, 2008, 01:00:20 pm
QuoteMmmmm-hmmmm, and about time too. Given Linux can make their crappy processors a bit more respectable (while maintaing the low price point), it only makes sense to support them as it gains more market share.


I see...I do know that Linux is notorious for having worse drivers than Boston at rush hour!

*laughs at own joke*

QuoteWell you've drawn all the main free BSD sisters AND their mother, so of course you're gonna be graced with "the devil's luck". ^v^'


Am I...missing something...?

QuoteI just finished playing with mine! It is literally about the size of a toaster (maybe yay wider) and very elegant. It's also a little louder than I thought, but that might be because I got the heftier model (the K4500).

In all respects I love it........... but only after installing my homebrewed PCLinuxOS install, which works like a charm. ^____^

Otherwise, the stock OS it comes with (Foresight Linux) sucks. If they wanted Gnome, then Ubuntu or Fedora Core would've been light years better..... T__T


Oh, to heck with all the technical aspects...what color it it? Lawl.

QuoteIt's a shame that the MygPCMini is so expensive relative to its hardware. It's also a shame I can't recommend a cheap, small KPC,...

Although Foresight is kinda/sorta like Ubuntu, it uses the new experimental Conary package management system, which although technically superior to DEB/RPM doesn't have a cool GUI like Synaptic to manage installations. Hence it's awkward, unintuitive and in desperate need of further development.


So it's not very user-friendly, huh?

QuoteTrue... Old PC's weren't built with minituarisation in mind, but it's greener than buying a new one...


Ah, makes me think of my 1998 Compaq Presario...I'm so used to my laptop (which is quite huge by today's standards, BTW), that using that thing is like playing on a minicomputer or something. The tower's like, a foot and a half tall and at least a 8 inches wide and a foot deep (I think that would be like 45 cm tall, 20 cm wide, and 30 cm deep, if I did my conversions correctly) O__o
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Post by: Smokey on April 12, 2008, 09:55:43 pm
THAT makes ME think of my Dell Poweredge witch was a 8unit 19" server casing... (19" wide, about, 2ft high i guess and a good 2ft deep) :D

Now that's huge... ;010
And the noise... :D (about 94Db)
It had 4! 120mm fans wich had never heard of the term silent...


It did keep my room nice and cool, though... :D

Let's also not forget the 2 350W power supply's...
The 16 SIMMs............. Oh and the four processors.......
Oh, yeah... And the six (or was it ten, i got confused with my ProLiant) HDD's... :D

It was a beast and i loved it just because of that...
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Post by: Bella on April 13, 2008, 01:33:44 pm
Wow, that's HUGE o__O
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Post by: Smokey on April 13, 2008, 06:43:03 pm
Yeah i know, servers from that age didn't need to be small... ;010

But i like big computers, gives you more space to work... :D
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Post by: C-Chan on April 14, 2008, 04:14:34 pm
QuoteTrue... Old PC's weren't built with minituarisation in mind, but it's greener than buying a new one...


That reminds me of an old case study I did, analyzing whether washing dishes by hand for a year wasted more or less resources than sticking it into a dishwasher or using disposable plates.  Presumably some of the impacts of washing dishes by hand were in the energy expenditure required to heat the water, and the paper towels needed to dry them -- and presumably this was supposed to have offset the cost of the electricity/resources needed to run/build the dishwasher, as well as the ecological impact of creating paper/styrofoam plates and sending them to a landfill.

But as I....................... kindly pointed out to the drafter,... that's a very anglocentric comparison.  I can wish dishes with cold water just fine, I air dry only, and if I'm feeling like a slob I can reuse the normal plate/cup more times than is sanitarily-recommended.  And no doubt, a huge percentage of the world's population is in the same boat, if they even have access to clean water or plates to begin with.

....

Morale of the story is..... beware He who used to have a Beast in His room that was big enough to stick a corpse in, noisier than a space shuttle launch, and used enough power to light up the Rockefeller tree.  BWAHAHAHA!!!!  ^V^

I kid, I kid.....  ^.^

QuoteOh, to heck with all the technical aspects...what color it it? Lawl.


Any color you want, as long as it's black.  :P

QuoteAh, makes me think of my 1998 Compaq Presario...I'm so used to my laptop (which is quite huge by today's standards, BTW), that using that thing is like playing on a minicomputer or something. The tower's like, a foot and a half tall and at least a 8 inches wide and a foot deep (I think that would be like 45 cm tall, 20 cm wide, and 30 cm deep, if I did my conversions correctly) O__o


かã,ã,,ã,,!! ^v^

...

Well, I mean for a computer of its era.  ^_____^

My new cutie is 27cm long, 18cm wide, 17cm high.  ^v^

*shows off baby pictures of K4500*

=================================================================

Now for the usual round of visitation links, we have this heart-warmer....

http://www.linuxinsider.com/story/The-OSS-Cure-for-What-Ails-Hospital-IT-62536.html

And I guess THIS would compliment the article quite nicely:

http://www.ondd.org/the-top-100-open-source-software-tools-for-medical-professionals/

And then a review of gOS Space, which if not for the MySpace-centric focus would actually sound kinda feasible.....

http://farbeyondtheedgeofreason.blogspot.com/2008/04/my-review-of-gos-space.html

...wanted to try it in Virtualbox, but alas,... it needs Graphics Acceleration.  ^^'
Probably the reason why it doesn't run on a VIA chip.

Added after 29 minutes:

Oh, and this is worth a read too, given that we're more about stimulating the long-lost art of "People Power", rather than urge people to use this or that system:

http://www.itwire.com/content/view/17646/1103/
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Post by: Bella on April 15, 2008, 08:53:41 pm
QuoteThat reminds me of an old case study I did, analyzing whether washing dishes by hand for a year wasted more or less resources than sticking it into a dishwasher or using disposable plates. Presumably some of the impacts of washing dishes by hand were in the energy expenditure required to heat the water, and the paper towels needed to dry them -- and presumably this was supposed to have offset the cost of the electricity/resources needed to run/build the dishwasher, as well as the ecological impact of creating paper/styrofoam plates and sending them to a landfill.

But as I....................... kindly pointed out to the drafter,... that's a very anglocentric comparison. I can wish dishes with cold water just fine, I air dry only, and if I'm feeling like a slob I can reuse the normal plate/cup more times than is sanitarily-recommended. And no doubt, a huge percentage of the world's population is in the same boat, if they even have access to clean water or plates to begin with.

....

Morale of the story is..... beware He who used to have a Beast in His room that was big enough to stick a corpse in, noisier than a space shuttle launch, and used enough power to light up the Rockefeller tree. BWAHAHAHA!!!! ^V^

I kid, I kid..... ^.^


Just what I kinda thought; an older machine uses a lot more energy than a newer one...that's assuming you still run it on a regular basis, though :P

QuoteAny color you want, as long as it's black. :P


Shucks, I was hoping to hear it was some sort of colorful print one ;)

QuoteWell, I mean for a computer of its era. ^_____^

My new cutie is 27cm long, 18cm wide, 17cm high. ^v^


Makes my Compaq look like a dinosaur...

QuoteNow for the usual round of visitation links, we have this heart-warmer....

http://www.linuxinsider.com/story/The-OSS-Cure-for-What-Ails-Hospital-IT-62536.html

And I guess THIS would compliment the article quite nicely:

http://www.ondd.org/the-top-100-open-source-software-tools-for-medical-professionals/


Wow...so they're using open source more in hospitals...

QuoteAnd then a review of gOS Space, which if not for the MySpace-centric focus would actually sound kinda feasible.....

http://farbeyondtheedgeofreason.blogspot.com/2008/04/my-review-of-gos-space.html

...wanted to try it in Virtualbox, but alas,... it needs Graphics Acceleration. ^^'
Probably the reason why it doesn't run on a VIA chip.


That's just...gorgeous...@__@

But it needs graphics acceleration? Is that due to Compiz?

QuoteOh, and this is worth a read too, given that we're more about stimulating the long-lost art of "People Power", rather than urge people to use this or that system:

http://www.itwire.com/content/view/17646/1103/


Humph...was there always such a fuss when M$ introduced a new OS, or is XP really an exceptional case...?
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Post by: Smokey on April 15, 2008, 10:21:36 pm
Quote from: "Bella"Just what I kinda thought; an older machine uses a lot more energy than a newer one...that's assuming you still run it on a regular basis, though :P


Hang on a minute.....
Now if i'm not mistaken, those ooold processors, though energy inefficient perhaps, do use less power to operate since there are far less transistors to guzzle up electricity...
Plus, browsing/mailing can be done on a 2MB VGA card wich, too uses less power to run than modern day (integrated) GPU's... (I'll assume that the power hungry performance cards -like the 72Watt Gf8800 - aren't going to be used but still onboard "simple" gfx-solutions are powerhouses compared to a truly simple SIS s3 PCI 2MB videocard)

Oh, and here's the fun part... If you take a PI, you can stick a nice and big Athlon/early PIV cooler on it and remove the fan so it's noiseless and powersaving, and it'll still keep the processor cool... (if Linux'll work on a 486DX2/66 it won't need any cooler ;010)

And, if you still don't believe that an old PC can be tought to take little nips of electricity, consider this: You can give them a 135W powersupply and they'll have power to spare, as opposed to my PC, wich refuses to start with anything less than a 350W powersupply :D


It's hardly noticeable that i like old pc's, is it :D
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Post by: C-Chan on April 15, 2008, 10:58:34 pm
QuoteJust what I kinda thought; an older machine uses a lot more energy than a newer one...that's assuming you still run it on a regular basis, though :P


Well actually,... not really what I meant.  The morale of my convoluted story is actually that energy savings is a very complex affair, dependent on many factors beyond anyone's immediate scope, and not clear-cut enough to be judged by anything beyond a case-by-case basis.  Some older computers can be less efficient than newer ones, vice-versa, and as Smokey-san said, some tweaking can be done to reverse the odds -- especially since improper disposal of either one is a FAR more damaging scenario.  @__@

I believe there's a debate on ethanol use that has similar undertones, but alas,... we're a computer club.  ^___^

QuoteShucks, I was hoping to hear it was some sort of colorful print one


Well in fairness, you CAN put your picture in the front of the unit.  But that's left for you to do -- I think they provide Kover artwork, but not free.  :P

QuoteThat's just...gorgeous...@__@

But it needs graphics acceleration? Is that due to Compiz?


Yepper.  ^^
Heard some minor complaints that the extra hardware requirements (between mandatory CF and Gnome) closes the door to older hardware, which run gOS 1.0 and 2.0 just fine.  All things considered, I would have to agree -- but at least the gOS guys were nice enough to warn that the distro may not operate properly in any other computer besides the MygPCMini.

QuoteIt's hardly noticeable that i like old pc's, is it


Naaaaaaaaaaaaah,... news to me....  :P
I'm still waiting for you to pick up a 68K Amiga any day now.  You do that, and I'll worship you like a GAWD........ during my visitations.......  ^^;
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Post by: Smokey on April 15, 2008, 11:36:09 pm
Quote from: "C-Chan"
QuoteJust what I kinda thought; an older machine uses a lot more energy than a newer one...that's assuming you still run it on a regular basis, though :P


Well actually,... not really what I meant.  The morale of my convoluted story is actually that energy savings is a very complex affair, dependent on many factors beyond anyone's immediate scope, and not clear-cut enough to be judged by anything beyond a case-by-case basis.  Some older computers can be less efficient than newer ones, vice-versa, and as Smokey-san said, some tweaking can be done to reverse the odds -- especially since improper disposal of either one is a FAR more damaging scenario.  @__@

I believe there's a debate on ethanol use that has similar undertones, but alas,... we're a computer club.  ^___^


Thank you for seeing the point ;010


Quote from: "And"
QuoteIt's hardly noticeable that i like old pc's, is it


Naaaaaaaaaaaaah,... news to me....  :P
I'm still waiting for you to pick up a 68K Amiga any day now.  You do that, and I'll worship you like a GAWD........ during my visitations.......  ^^;


It's goint to be a tough hunt, but worship'll make it worth-while... :D
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Post by: C-Chan on April 15, 2008, 11:58:15 pm
I should probably brag, though, that my new darling baby girl comes with a 100W power supply, btw, and still purrs like the kitten she is.  ^__^

Ain't she just the cutest, most adorable little honey-bunny you've ever seen?!!  @v@

(http://images.tomshardware.com/2008/01/25/first_look_shuttle_kpc/03kpc.jpg)
(http://www.3dnews.ru/_imgdata/img/2008/02/19/74637.jpg)

*sighs*
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Post by: Smokey on April 16, 2008, 12:29:14 am
Wauw! Makes my PC look like a serious, industrial machine... :D (doesn't matter, i like industrial machines...)

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Post by: C-Chan on April 16, 2008, 11:36:40 pm
Fufufu.... needs more VAX....  ;D

(http://ed-thelen.org/comp-hist/vs-dec-vax-11-780.jpg)

Seriously, though, what's that blue LED light thing at the very back of the tower?  :)

In other news, how about some FUD huntin'?  :P

http://blog.internetnews.com/skerner/2008/04/free-open-source-software-is-c.html

And to put things into perspective....

http://www.pcadvisor.co.uk/news/index.cfm?newsid=12728

Added after 3 minutes:

And here's something I want to dedicate myself to later on:

http://polishlinux.org/apps/educational-programs-in-gnulinux/

As you can see, the selection is in need of dire expansion.  ^^;
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Post by: Smokey on April 17, 2008, 08:41:44 am
The blue LED is a blue LED-80mm fan... :D

And although i do believe that open-source software can nibble away on closed source software's sales, i wouldn't think that it'd cost that much, plus as explained in the article, and the next one about Dell's laptops, if you're smart, you can actually make money off open sourced software...
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Post by: Bella on April 17, 2008, 08:18:58 pm
QuoteWell actually,... not really what I meant. The morale of my convoluted story is actually that energy savings is a very complex affair, dependent on many factors beyond anyone's immediate scope, and not clear-cut enough to be judged by anything beyond a case-by-case basis. Some older computers can be less efficient than newer ones, vice-versa, and as Smokey-san said, some tweaking can be done to reverse the odds -- especially since improper disposal of either one is a FAR more damaging scenario. @__@

I believe there's a debate on ethanol use that has similar undertones, but alas,... we're a computer club. ^___^


I see what you mean...

QuoteI should probably brag, though, that my new darling baby girl comes with a 100W power supply, btw, and still purrs like the kitten she is. ^__^

Ain't she just the cutest, most adorable little honey-bunny you've ever seen?!! @v@


*gasp* Is that Vista running, though?

Noooooooo!

QuoteFufufu.... needs more VAX.... ;D


VAX is great and all, but...

NEEDS MOAR HONEYWELL/BULL MAINFRAMES!

(http://www.vaxman.de/historic_computers/multics/multics_logo.jpg)

QuoteIn other news, how about some FUD huntin'? :P

http://blog.internetnews.com/skerner/2008/04/free-open-source-software-is-c.html

And to put things into perspective....

http://www.pcadvisor.co.uk/news/index.cfm?newsid=12728

And here's something I want to dedicate myself to later on:

http://polishlinux.org/apps/educational-programs-in-gnulinux/

As you can see, the selection is in need of dire expansion. ^^;


Well, I can see where open source stuff could be taking away money that would otherwise line big corporations' pockets. But I don't consider that a bad thing.

Like one person commented, "GM being is business is taking money from Ford, too".

I can't believe Dell is actually pushing the Ubuntu laptops...I wonder what they're up to...

And that article about educational Linux programs is really interesting! I didn't know there were that many out there, honestly.

QuoteAnd although i do believe that open-source software can nibble away on closed source software's sales, i wouldn't think that it'd cost that much, plus as explained in the article, and the next one about Dell's laptops, if you're smart, you can actually make money off open sourced software...


I don't think it could be costing them that much, either; I mean, it'd be great if it was, but I just don't see it happening.
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Post by: Smokey on April 17, 2008, 08:52:03 pm
Quote from: "Bella"
QuoteI should probably brag, though, that my new darling baby girl comes with a 100W power supply, btw, and still purrs like the kitten she is. ^__^

Ain't she just the cutest, most adorable little honey-bunny you've ever seen?!! @v@


*gasp* Is that Vista running, though?

Noooooooo!


Wow! I didn't notice that... Bad C-chan...bad... :D

Quote from: "And"
QuoteFufufu.... needs more VAX.... ;D


VAX is great and all, but...

NEEDS MOAR HONEYWELL/BULL MAINFRAMES!

(http://www.vaxman.de/historic_computers/multics/multics_logo.jpg)


Now we're getting Mainframes (built for extreme availability) mixed up with Super-Minicomputers (built for processing power)... That's like comparing apples to iMacs-PEARS, i mean PEARS... :D
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Post by: C-Chan on April 18, 2008, 01:39:24 am
Quote*gasp* Is that Vista running, though?

Noooooooo!


QuoteWow! I didn't notice that... Bad C-chan...bad...


...............................................@__@'

Excuse me, I have to go return some dinner I borrowed earlier.  ^___^'

Honestly didn't see that, but too shamed now to say anything.....

Also don't like that my second picture disappeared (probably pulled from the original article, so here's another [this time screend] honey bunny pick.... ^^;

(http://www.3dnews.ru/_imgdata/img/2008/02/19/74638.jpg)

This one's actually the same model that I own.
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Post by: Smokey on April 18, 2008, 12:41:42 pm
Well, now that i've taken a closer, better look at it, a question arises in my mind...: Where's the Optical Drive?? I'd assume that it, cute as it may be, should be able to at least handle DVD's...
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Post by: Bella on April 18, 2008, 11:58:03 pm
QuoteNow we're getting Mainframes (built for extreme availability) mixed up with Super-Minicomputers (built for processing power)... That's like comparing apples to iMacs-PEARS, i mean PEARS...


I confess, I was just looking for a way to post a picture of Multics-sama's home :P

QuoteWell, now that i've taken a closer, better look at it, a question arises in my mind...: Where's the Optical Drive?? I'd assume that it, cute as it may be, should be able to at least handle DVD's...


I wondered the same thing! Is it around back, or is it one of those hip "I don't need no stinking CDR drive" computers that have been popping up?
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Post by: Smokey on April 19, 2008, 09:53:15 am
Oh, gawd! a PC without removable media support is like a car without the interior...It works but it aint nice....
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Post by: C-Chan on April 19, 2008, 06:08:36 pm
What'dya guys sayin' to me?!!  Course it has an optical disk drive!  `v'

See.....?  ^__^

(http://www.ixbt.com/short/2k4-05/LaCie_d2_DL_DVD.jpg)

Yeah, but optical disks are SOOOOOO 1990's.  ^.^
Considering that 95% of all my daily files float around digitally, I'm actually happy my incredible-edible Asus EeePC has weened me off their use (beyond backups, of course).  Helps computers be smaller and more portable, and the fact that I use external reader/writers now means I can better deal with worn drives (whereas my old HP laptop is pretty much STUCK with its defunct CD/DVD drive).  ^^;
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Post by: Smokey on April 19, 2008, 06:12:06 pm
yeah...
You're right...

It's time for something new...

How's 'bout a 5,25" floppy drive wich is still as noisy, but as fast as SATA2 and has.....say.....120GB platters? ;010

Oh, it should, ofcourse, also have the floppy seek on boot up... :D
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Post by: C-Chan on April 19, 2008, 06:16:18 pm
BWAHAHA!!! That reminds me of when I helped an older lady shop for some removable media, and I had to resort to describing SD cards as really tiny but HUUUUUUUUUUUUUGE floppy disks.  @v@'

Thankfully, I had... *imitates Gollem's voice* My Precious EeePC at the time to demonstrate.  ^.^;

=========

Speaking of more mini laptops, here's yet another contender, and apparently Canadian too boot!  I think the market flood of UMPC's is going to turn into a deluge at this rate.  ^___^

http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS3441111408.html
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Post by: Smokey on April 19, 2008, 06:29:43 pm
OMG!!! They decapitated it!!!!! :D

(http://www.linuxdevices.com/files/misc/inkmedia_inkmc.jpg)
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Post by: Bella on April 20, 2008, 07:39:14 pm
^ Wait, what's going on there? O__o
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Post by: Smokey on April 20, 2008, 08:46:21 pm
It's the new -canadian- laptop c-chan showed me...

Apparently the canadians like to decapitate their computers... :D

(man i have got to stop watching "House", it's making my inner voice sound like him...and he's progressing my bad traits... :D)
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Post by: C-Chan on April 21, 2008, 02:06:13 pm
Headless jokes aside, I do wonder if a separable monitor will be nifty idea.  If you think about it, it gives you the option of having the UMPC function as an EeePC clone, OR an internet tablet.  :P
(assuming I'm guessing how it works correctly....)

In other news, Ubuntu's REALLY making public headway if it's appearing on the front page of the BBC....  ^___^

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/7358483.stm

And more OOXML goodness for anyone still reeling from the endless, merciless onslaught of stupidity and electoral shenanigans (=oxymoron)....  ^.^;

http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20080421091129596
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Post by: Smokey on April 21, 2008, 02:27:14 pm
Quote from: "C-Chan"Headless jokes aside, I do wonder if a separable monitor will be nifty idea.  If you think about it, it gives you the option of having the UMPC function as an EeePC clone, OR an internet tablet.  :P
(assuming I'm guessing how it works correctly....)


So, it's the opposite of how laptops are built? Everything goes in the screen portion and the keyboard/trackpad portion only houses the keyboard/trackpad?

Come to think of it, it's a good idea, but then again, what's stopping the whole thing from falling over when used as a laptop?
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Post by: C-Chan on April 21, 2008, 02:58:28 pm
I'm sure the makers of the legendary Avro Arrow can think of something clever to keep the whole think from falling apart.  :)

Then again,... there's always duct tape.....  :P
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Post by: Smokey on April 21, 2008, 03:33:12 pm
heh, yeah...Ducttape cures all... :D
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Post by: Bella on April 22, 2008, 04:51:09 pm
QuoteHeadless jokes aside, I do wonder if a separable monitor will be nifty idea. If you think about it, it gives you the option of having the UMPC function as an EeePC clone, OR an internet tablet. :P
(assuming I'm guessing how it works correctly....)


Oh, so that's what's going on....

QuoteIn other news, Ubuntu's REALLY making public headway if it's appearing on the front page of the BBC.... ^___^

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/7358483.stm


Woohoo! Ubuntu, FTW!!!

I figured Ubuntu was making headway when the Windows-centric PC Magazine named it the product of the month in one issue and devoted an article to it.

QuoteAnd more OOXML goodness for anyone still reeling from the endless, merciless onslaught of stupidity and electoral shenanigans (=oxymoron).... ^.^;

http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20080421091129596


When's it going to end...
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Post by: Smokey on April 22, 2008, 05:17:32 pm
Well i have come to see  stupidity in the following way... As long as there are still boards like /b/ there will still be stupidity and room for human evolution...

Added after 46 seconds:

But let's not forget the very, VERY thin line between genius and insanity...
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Post by: NejinOniwa on April 22, 2008, 05:56:18 pm
Quote
But let's not forget the very, VERY thin line between genius and insanity...

SPOILER SPOILER SPOILERTAG
Genius = Successful Insanity
Did you all get that? ^^

QuoteWhen's it going to end...

When M$ gets out of business, that's when...
-.-
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Post by: Smokey on April 22, 2008, 06:37:00 pm
yeh, or when some idiot nukes the world...then we'd have bigger problems to worry about....

Aliens could invade, too, either mocking our lame technology or warring us...Either way; bigger problems...
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Post by: Aurora Borealis on April 22, 2008, 10:06:47 pm
"Foolish humans and your primitive computing technology! CPU speeds only up to 4 GHz and RAM only up to a few gigabytes?! Bah! We have computers in the THz range and they are embedded in us, controlled by our thoughts and willpower!"
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Post by: Smokey on April 22, 2008, 10:21:40 pm
Resistance is futile!
Behold our awesome game-err-Borg cube!

Oh shi-! they have XBoxes, ruuuuuuuuun! i mean, warp tf outta here!!!
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Post by: Aurora Borealis on April 22, 2008, 10:50:25 pm
Headless laptop? What kind of benefits would that have? Nonetheless, it is still an interesting concept!

And one more thing...I am Borg...
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Post by: Smokey on April 22, 2008, 11:00:26 pm
I am Smokey!!!
6,945,487 extraterrestrial races have tried to assimilate/probe/dissect/study me and they're all extinct... :D
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Post by: NejinOniwa on April 23, 2008, 02:24:01 am
Captain John Picard, the U.S.S. Enterprise.
*goes off humming*
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Post by: Smokey on April 23, 2008, 08:24:51 am
Hey, i see someone walking in...
I know him...
He's called off-topicness... :D

soooooo...
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Post by: C-Chan on April 23, 2008, 01:05:58 pm
............ yes indeed, time for some links.  `v'

http://www.portal.itproportal.com/articles/2008/03/27/son-c64-and-amiga-could-be-keyboard-asus-success/

....

I was wondering when they'd finally revive those things.  Take out the optical drive and put in the same component as an EeePC, and you'd get a smaller form factor.  ;)
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Post by: Smokey on April 23, 2008, 01:36:30 pm
OMG they actually took an idea i once had for my dying lappie (fold it shut and use as PC) and turned it into an actual idea...

removing the screen portion of a "desktop-replacing-laptop" would be better, though... they are flatter and have a built in ups...
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Post by: NejinOniwa on April 23, 2008, 01:47:43 pm
Somehow this reminds me awfully much of Gundam Seed. All that's left is for the screen to magically wrap itself into the keyboard-computer itself.
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Post by: Bella on April 23, 2008, 03:50:57 pm
Quotehttp://www.portal.itproportal.com/articles/2008/03/27/son-c64-and-amiga-could-be-keyboard-asus-success/

....

I was wondering when they'd finally revive those things. Take out the optical drive and put in the same component as an EeePC, and you'd get a smaller form factor.


Commodore lives!

That's really neat...it's very reminiscent of the 80s/90s minicomputers. Cool!

QuoteOMG they actually took an idea i once had for my dying lappie (fold it shut and use as PC) and turned it into an actual idea..


Do you mean, the screen went on it and you were just going to hook it up to a monitor, keyboard, mouse, etc?
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Post by: Smokey on April 23, 2008, 05:27:36 pm
Quote from: "Bella"Do you mean, the screen went on it and you were just going to hook it up to a monitor, keyboard, mouse, etc?


Yes, the monitor was dead and i didn't want to return it for repairs (i eventually did and they proved my point: it took them half a year and more stuff broke after 3 days), so i thought i'd just use it as a very small, say designer pc... :D
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Post by: C-Chan on April 27, 2008, 11:09:29 pm
You peoplez....  

I'm back from a very LOOONG hiatus, and aching all over.  @__@

Word from the Wise to all Ye Not Eternally Attached to a Keyboard:  if you ever plan on building a garden pond, be ready to dig up a LOT of dirt.  T_________T;

*C-chan flops on the ground zapped of all energy*

FYI, I've been meaning to drop these links off on Friday, but didn't get the chance...

First, a small article about my belove eComStation-tan and how WONDERFUL her new release is.  ^___^
And anyone who disagrees with that statement shall get his kneecaps busted by a small, angry, black pig.  ^_____________^

http://www.ofb.biz/safari/article/459.html

Then a little morale booster for anyone who had faith in the OLPC project (I didn't), and are not very happy with the latest turn of events:

http://radian.org/notebook/this-too-shall-pass

And then finally another example of why DRM isn't something that can be brushed aside as trivial, especially if you're an honest, law-abiding citizen:

http://blog.wired.com/music/2008/04/microsoft-pulli.html

--------------------------------------

In other news, I finished trying Ubuntu 8.04 and am happy to see some much needed refinement (plus the new heron wallpaper is kinda neat).    ^^

Plus I noticed that the Ren'Py Visual Novel game engine is available in their repos -- naturally, I'm clamoring to get the same uploaded to PCLOS as it'd be a  PERFECT chance to make some quick OS-tan inspired educational games.  ^.^
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Post by: Tsubashi on April 27, 2008, 11:57:54 pm
Sounds like you had fun, ne Senpai?

I'm very sorry for not being more trustworthy; I said I'd be around more often and the nigh on dropped off the face of the earth! Gomen nasai.
If it makes me seem less pathetic, my only excuse is history finals. Never was good at history ^^'

Unfortunately I've got an unusually large project with an excruciatingly near deadline at work, so I'll be in and out at best. With any luck I should (hopefully) be able to start popping in more often. Then again, I think I already used up all my luck for the entire year yesterday ^.^'

I must apologize to anyone who's birthday I missed, and even worse, I can't remember who since I forgot to back up iCal when I upgraded to leopard (b4k4 TsuTsu ^^')

Thanks for the links, senpai. I don't read/watch/listen to any news very much, so it's very nice of you to point out the best ones. I especially enjoyed the explination of the Doctrine of Insufficient Adulation Syndrome (http://machinist.salon.com/feature/2008/03/18/true_enough_excerpt_2/index.html). ^v^

And to not be too off-topic, if I had the money and/or time, I would totally do this (http://www.xkcd.com/413/) ^v^
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Post by: Smokey on April 28, 2008, 06:47:38 am
I LOLed... and btw, it's normal to be busy this time of year, with exams and all, heck even i am busy and i'm not even on school anymore...
I do have a detoured application for the army wich requires a lot of work, and i have to move my mum soon plus i am moving myself soon...
It is indeed hard to find the time necesary to post here... :D
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Post by: NejinOniwa on April 28, 2008, 07:41:21 am
Tsubashi-kun, that was one of the better reads I've had lately. Lulz were had, and also seriose tiem moments were good. Keep it up. -w-
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Post by: Smokey on April 28, 2008, 07:53:49 am
LEGO has robot-building functionality now, and you can create some really interesting things with that... ;010
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Post by: Bella on April 28, 2008, 01:06:15 pm
QuoteWord from the Wise to all Ye Not Eternally Attached to a Keyboard: if you ever plan on building a garden pond, be ready to dig up a LOT of dirt. T_________T;

*C-chan flops on the ground zapped of all energy*


That I'll keep in mind.

QuoteFirst, a small article about my belove eComStation-tan and how WONDERFUL her new release is. ^___^
And anyone who disagrees with that statement shall get his kneecaps busted by a small, angry, black pig. ^_____________^

http://www.ofb.biz/safari/article/459.html


Yay, OS/2 lives! Vicariously through eCS!

QuoteAnd then finally another example of why DRM isn't something that can be brushed aside as trivial, especially if you're an honest, law-abiding citizen:

http://blog.wired.com/music/2008/04/microsoft-pulli.html


For cripe's sake, who'd buy music from an M$ run site? I mean...that's asking for trouble.

QuoteIn other news, I finished trying Ubuntu 8.04 and am happy to see some much needed refinement (plus the new heron wallpaper is kinda neat). ^^

Plus I noticed that the Ren'Py Visual Novel game engine is available in their repos -- naturally, I'm clamoring to get the same uploaded to PCLOS as it'd be a PERFECT chance to make some quick OS-tan inspired educational games. ^.^


That's good news...I'll probably try out 8.04 when the stable release comes out.

QuoteI'm very sorry for not being more trustworthy; I said I'd be around more often and the nigh on dropped off the face of the earth! Gomen nasai.
If it makes me seem less pathetic, my only excuse is history finals. Never was good at history ^^'


Hah...the tough subject for me is literature. I love reading, but I'm not so great and the writing part of it (essays, book reports, etc.)

Now, something like physics I'm strangely apt to O___o

QuoteUnfortunately I've got an unusually large project with an excruciatingly near deadline at work, so I'll be in and out at best. With any luck I should (hopefully) be able to start popping in more often. Then again, I think I already used up all my luck for the entire year yesterday ^.^'

I must apologize to anyone who's birthday I missed, and even worse, I can't remember who since I forgot to back up iCal when I upgraded to leopard (b4k4 TsuTsu ^^')


Oh well....I hope you can drop by when you get the chance!

QuoteThanks for the links, senpai. I don't read/watch/listen to any news very much, so it's very nice of you to point out the best ones. I especially enjoyed the explination of the Doctrine of Insufficient Adulation Syndrome. ^v^


Wow, that's a great article...and so true...

QuoteAnd to not be too off-topic, if I had the money and/or time, I would totally do this ^v^


LOL! C-Chan, you gotta do this!

-------------

I have to drop off my own find here...

MULTICS LIVES! Maybe...

http://sourceforge.net/projects/h6180/

The hopes and prayers of Multicians and hard-core vintage OS enthusiasts may soon be answered. They're building a Honeywell DPS-8 emulator; this means one thing, Multics is getting really close to being brought back to life...!
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Post by: Smokey on April 28, 2008, 01:30:41 pm
Yeah, that would be a nice adition to the library  (Lie berry, lie! LOL) of emu's i've got... ;010

Oh, btw, physics only requires a bit of interest and a little effort...
It's really cool though, it provides a nice step-stone to quantum physics and quantum mechanics... (this from a guy who wanted to be a quantum physician when he was 9... Most normal people don't even know the term "quantum physics" when they're 9)
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Post by: Bella on April 29, 2008, 05:24:00 pm
QuoteYeah, that would be a nice adition to the library (Lie berry, lie! LOL) of emu's i've got...


Well, this is only going to be available for *nix systems...but I'm really hoping that this'll work and they can do something with that Multics source code.

Perhaps we'll see shell account sites springing up like with the VMS and RSTS hobbyist programs...

QuoteOh, btw, physics only requires a bit of interest and a little effort...
It's really cool though, it provides a nice step-stone to quantum physics and quantum mechanics... (this from a guy who wanted to be a quantum physician when he was 9... Most normal people don't even know the term "quantum physics" when they're 9)


Haha...I remember watching TV shows about parallel universes and theoretical physics and stuff when I was quite young...the whole idea never really bothered me much. I've known people who were like, "oh man that hurts my head just to think about!" But I've thought that sorta stuff makes sense O___o
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Post by: Bella on May 03, 2008, 12:30:14 pm
So, I gave Debian a try. Well, first I downloaded the install CD via a bittorrent; after a failed installation in my VM (it never got past the software install stage, somthing about no swap partition being created), I went back and downloaded the liveCD.

I don't want to jump to conclusions just yet, but....I think this my new favorite distro. As for boot-up and speed in general, it's about on par with Ubuntu; even with the more resource-intensive KDE it runs fine in the virtual machine, and it comes with a great collection of software (I was having fun with the star charting program, as well as the Latin quiz program...haha). Not to mention KDE is really nice looking, too.

In sorta off-topic news...woot! DEC is responsible for the first spam mail:

http://tech.yahoo.com/blogs/patterson/18084/spam-turning-30-this-month-no-gifts-please/

I just couldn't pass up posting this, even if it is from Yahoo news. Lawl.
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Post by: Smokey on May 03, 2008, 02:41:12 pm
Well, Ubuntu is a Debian based Linux... I like that one...

Freespire is Debian based too, and i like that one too...
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Post by: C-Chan on May 04, 2008, 06:13:00 pm
Wow, a rare Tsubashi-dono sighting.  ^^'

QuoteAnd to not be too off-topic, if I had the money and/or time, I would totally do this ^v^


Heck ya!  I've been meaning to make my baby girl more,.... "pet like".  ^.^

*grabs hamster ball and duct tape*

QuoteI have to drop off my own find here...

MULTICS LIVES! Maybe...

http://sourceforge.net/projects/h6180/

The hopes and prayers of Multicians and hard-core vintage OS enthusiasts may soon be answered. They're building a Honeywell DPS-8 emulator; this means one thing, Multics is getting really close to being brought back to life...!


Fufufu!!  This must've been really good news for you, Bella-sama.  With all the knowledge you've accumulated, you're practically a Multician in everything but trade!  ^.^

QuoteSo, I gave Debian a try. Well, first I downloaded the install CD via a bittorrent; after a failed installation in my VM (it never got past the software install stage, somthing about no swap partition being created), I went back and downloaded the liveCD.


For some odd reason, install CDs are a tad more problematic than live ones.  Seems strange, but I reckon it's due to the limited number of drivers loaded for the temporary install environment.  Since live environments require more love and care, they load more drivers that actually get things up and running.  ^^'

QuoteI don't want to jump to conclusions just yet, but....I think this my new favorite distro. As for boot-up and speed in general, it's about on par with Ubuntu; even with the more resource-intensive KDE it runs fine in the virtual machine, and it comes with a great collection of software (I was having fun with the star charting program, as well as the Latin quiz program...haha). Not to mention KDE is really nice looking, too.


Hmmm,... well it is true that the Debian I tried was running on XFCE or Gnome, but could've sworn it was a little faster.  

But hey! Ya gotz a fast KDE system in your VM, so can't be all bad.  ^-^

Plus technically-speaking, the Debian repositories are a lot larger than the Ubuntu ones, so there's bound to be no shortage of fun applications to play with.  ^__~

Now we know Bella-sama has gone hardcore if she starts using Debian!  ^.^

QuoteIn sorta off-topic news...woot! DEC is responsible for the first spam mail:

http://tech.yahoo.com/blogs/patterson/18084/spam-turning-30-this-month-no-gifts-please/

I just couldn't pass up posting this, even if it is from Yahoo news. Lawl.


Yep,... no wonder all the Berkley people were so happy to kick all the DECs, out once UNIX-sama arrived.  ^_________^

QuoteWell, Ubuntu is a Debian based Linux... I like that one...

Freespire is Debian based too, and i like that one too...


And I love Dreamlinux and MEPIS,... i wonder what those two are based on?  Hmmmm..... ^3^
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Post by: Smokey on May 04, 2008, 07:25:44 pm
Hey DreamLinux is Brazilian...cool... :D
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Post by: NejinOniwa on May 06, 2008, 06:14:02 pm
As of yesterday (or something, I dunno, but something like that),Windows XP SP3 (http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=68c48dad-bc34-40be-8d85-6bb4f56f5110&displaylang=en) is available for download and automatic updates for anyone using Windows XP with SP1 or above. Cumulative and stuff.
This Capulet is downloading it right now with hijinks, so I'll see what happens when my computer restarts, or something.
Anyone else tried it, or have thoughts?
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Post by: Smokey on May 06, 2008, 06:17:50 pm
No, I don't trust M$ anymore...
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Post by: Bella on May 06, 2008, 07:24:25 pm
QuoteFufufu!! This must've been really good news for you, Bella-sama. With all the knowledge you've accumulated, you're practically a Multician in everything but trade! ^.^


I believe they call that a Multicial Theorist :P

But really, I see myself as something of a palentologist when it comes to old OSs. Sure, I love researching them, reading about their history and contributions to our modern OSs... I can't say I'd want to work with them, though :P

Worse. Medaphor. Ever.

QuoteFor some odd reason, install CDs are a tad more problematic than live ones. Seems strange, but I reckon it's due to the limited number of drivers loaded for the temporary install environment. Since live environments require more love and care, they load more drivers that actually get things up and running. ^^'

I know the Zenwalk LiveCD never worked on the VM, but the install CD did.


QuoteHmmm,... well it is true that the Debian I tried was running on XFCE or Gnome, but could've sworn it was a little faster.

But hey! Ya gotz a fast KDE system in your VM, so can't be all bad. ^-^

Plus technically-speaking, the Debian repositories are a lot larger than the Ubuntu ones, so there's bound to be no shortage of fun applications to play with. ^__~

Now we know Bella-sama has gone hardcore if she starts using Debian! ^.^


Hawhawhaw...but really, it does seem that Debian has more pre-installed applications than Ubuntu (not that that matters too much, what with the package managers and all).

QuoteYep,... no wonder all the Berkley people were so happy to kick all the DECs, out once UNIX-sama arrived. ^_________^


Still trying to think of how I can work a "spam" reference into the DEC-tan's backstory XD

QuoteAnd I love Dreamlinux and MEPIS,... i wonder what those two are based on? Hmmmm..... ^3^


Who wouldn't love DreamLinux! It's like OS X, without all the rabid fanboys! XD

QuoteAs of yesterday (or something, I dunno, but something like that),Windows XP SP3 is available for download and automatic updates for anyone using Windows XP with SP1 or above. Cumulative and stuff.
This Capulet is downloading it right now with hijinks, so I'll see what happens when my computer restarts, or something.
Anyone else tried it, or have thoughts?


I ain't going near that, no sir. O__O
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Post by: Aurora Borealis on May 06, 2008, 07:30:30 pm
^This is likely just a rumor, but I've heard that XP SP3 would be badly-done on purpose as a ploy to get even more people to switch to Vista T__T
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Post by: Smokey on May 06, 2008, 10:31:48 pm
It's probably packed full of "ooh-i'm-gonna-tell-M$-what-you're-doing-onyour-pc-stuff", so i'll stick to sp2... :D
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Post by: Tsubashi on May 06, 2008, 11:16:00 pm
Funny, I was under the impression that SP3 had already been out for a while (since the IT guys at work made me update) but apparently those were public betas ^.^

QuoteIt's probably packed full of "ooh-i'm-gonna-tell-M$-what-you're-doing-onyour-pc-stuff", so i'll stick to sp2


Doesn't windows update do that already?[/sacasm ^v^]

But I think the PC World article sums it up best

Quote from: "PC World"More dubious is the [new] Windows Product Activation update, which makes the XP installation process more Vista-like. This means you’ll no longer be forced to input your Windows product activation key during installation (although you’ll still have to do so within 30 days or your OS will stop working).

However, it also means Windows XP will be tracking your hardware configuration in much the same way that Vista does, which could lead to your computer being disabled in the event that you change out fundamental components such as your motherboard or processor.


Added after 4 minutes:

All in all I think it's quite the anticlimactic "Final Service Pack!" Some Bug fixes and networks tweaks, not much you notice unless you are looking for it ^-^
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Post by: Smokey on May 07, 2008, 07:20:13 am
And that's why i don't want sp3, i mean what sick bastard would think of such a thing, disabling your HARDWARE when you put in a new processor?!?! Great so no-one can ever upgrade his p.c. anymore, thanks microshitheads, you just pissed off the entire hardware-market...

Added after 2 minutes:

And i do hope you (M$) read this, because you do really suck and i would assume that you're capable of spying in on internet-traffic of your customers -oh sorry i meant slaves...

I so hope you go bankrupt, M$, do me a favor and make it quick...
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Post by: Bella on May 07, 2008, 04:23:34 pm
This is planned obsolescence at it's most insidious. If you think about it...it's really a very sly move. Making the OS less tolerant to hardware upgrades, and thus shortening the lifespan of the computer, making a switch to a new machine inevitable...I dunno if I'd want to buy XP SP3 install disks...oh well. I guess XP is going to die with my computers -___-

Oh wau, Smokey...that's some M$ bashing, there. You make me seem like a M$ hugging Windows fangirl. XD
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Post by: Smokey on May 07, 2008, 04:38:35 pm
Well, i've tolerated a lot of dastardly trickf from them but this is where i draw the line; NO-ONE TOUCHES MY HARDWARE!!!

It's just too bad that the gaming industry doesn't see how evil M$ is and that they don't start incorporating Linux compatibility in their games, because that would cost M$ thousands, if not millions of customers...

That would show them, and the gaming industry wouldn't be phased at all, since they can still sell their games...
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Post by: NejinOniwa on May 07, 2008, 05:19:41 pm
The problem, of course, would be that the target market of linux gamers is diminutively small in comparison, and few, if any, wants to go through the trouble of fixing up a new partition or computer for the sole reason of using linux.
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Post by: Aurora Borealis on May 07, 2008, 05:52:08 pm
No longer allowing for you to be able to upgrade components of your computer is one of the stupidest things ever! ;030
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Post by: NejinOniwa on May 07, 2008, 05:57:15 pm
Wordth.
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Post by: Smokey on May 07, 2008, 08:14:43 pm
And there we have my point; IF a gamer (especially hardcore gamers) would have to choose between not upgrading their pc or creating an extra partition, i would think they'd gladly make that extra partition...
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Post by: NejinOniwa on May 08, 2008, 02:15:30 am
But then again, then there's the crowd of not-so-l33t gamers who don't even know what a partition IS...
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Post by: Smokey on May 08, 2008, 07:15:46 am
Well if they can install WindBlows, they can install Linux, I've seen Linux installers being more automated and user friendly than MacroSucks ones...
Plus if you add all the rebooting Wimpdoze does for fun, how bad is a Linux install then?

God sp3 pissed me off...
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Post by: Bella on May 11, 2008, 11:24:46 am
I think a lot of people just get used to what they're using, and don't give much thought to what commercial implications it may have...and they don't want to take the time to install and learn to use a new system.

Like Nejin said...not-so-l33t gamers probably outnumber the tech savy ones 10 to 1 ;)
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Post by: Smokey on May 13, 2008, 07:51:54 am
Thousands of ppl out there can't install Windblows either, they have a computer store or a friend do that for them...
And i'm sure that ppl in a caomputer store know how to install Linux...

So that shouldn't be a problem....
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Post by: C-Chan on May 15, 2008, 01:31:01 am
NOOOOOOOO!!! My response!!!!  My beautiful, masterpiece-like response, full of "Epic" and "Win" and stuff!  ^0^

....

*C-chan mopes*

Awww well,... at least Smokey and Nejin might've seen it before it vanished....  ;__;

Probably best to repost this article:

http://itmanagement.earthweb.com/osrc/article.php/3745266
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Post by: Smokey on May 15, 2008, 07:04:41 am
Yes, I've seen the post, and it was indeed a good one...
I had to repost the post above you, too...

Oh, well...At least the forum still works...
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Post by: Bella on May 15, 2008, 06:18:56 pm
You wanna know what happened to our posts? Steve Ballmer f*#king killedâ,,¢ them! (http://uncyclopedia.org/wiki/Steve_Ballmer)


But really, that was an interesting article. Very well put; open source itself doesn't really interest consumers, they have to explain how it can benefit them. An article I found on the same site:

http://itmanagement.earthweb.com/entdev/article.php/3744946/When+XP+Expires+does+Desktop+Linux+Shine?.htm

XP to Linux: Avenge me!
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Post by: Techno the fox on May 17, 2008, 05:36:49 pm
What's going on in here? Something about vanishing posts? Hmm, strange. Especially how posts in an anti-vista topic would vanish. Ah well.

Anyway, I may not make as many trips to this topic as I used to, mostly because of the fact that I'm not against vista.  Having been swayed by my laptop that currentlty runs vista. My only regret is that I have Mario is Missing (Pc edition) and I can't play it because vista doesn't support full-screen dos applications. But all my other programs still run fine. Things like CDI emulator and RPGMaker XP still run in compatibility mode for XP SP2.
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Post by: Smokey on May 17, 2008, 05:58:51 pm
We were completely thrashing, bashing, and taking a dump on Service pack 3 for XP, and M$ in general because of said SP3...

Vista is safe, i at least think it's just another new windblows with more eyecandy (no reason for me to switch over as i like the sleek and business-like XP), wich will eventually suffer the same cruel fate as XP is now...
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Post by: C-Chan on May 19, 2008, 10:50:30 am
QuoteYou wanna know what happened to our posts? Steve Ballmer f*#king killedâ,,¢ them!


Oh yeah,... I remember you posted something about that too.  ^.^'

QuoteBut really, that was an interesting article. Very well put; open source itself doesn't really interest consumers, they have to explain how it can benefit them. An article I found on the same site:

http://itmanagement.earthweb.com/entdev/article.php/3744946/When+XP+Expires+does+Desktop+Linux+Shine?.htm

XP to Linux: Avenge me!


I saw that too, but thought there were already too many articles like that to post.  ^^
Does help explain why M$ is in deep with SUSE, Xandros and Linspire,... call it "hedging their bets".  ^___^'

QuoteMy only regret is that I have Mario is Missing (Pc edition) and I can't play it because vista doesn't support full-screen dos applications.


See if DOSBox works in your system.  I used DOSBox to play some really nostalgia-inducing DOS games in Linux, including Heroes of Might and Magic I and an older version of Battle Chess.  

Also managed to run RPGMaker XP in Wine, although it did function better in Virtualbox.  
I'm wondering if the fact that we were both interested in the same obscure game tool program might have something to do with a certain,.... "pogojo"?  ^______________^;

QuoteWe were completely thrashing, bashing, and taking a dump on Service pack 3 for XP, and M$ in general because of said SP3...


Now that you mention it, I do recall that a month earlier there was a veritable flood of articles "praising and prawning" the virtues of SP3.  Either that was a trademark propaganda ploy, or they pulled a Longhorn-Vista and "tweaked" the system a bit prior to release.  After all, you have to give "Honest Paying Law-Abiding Customers" the "treatment" they deserve, no?  ^^;

Added after 8 minutes:

In other news:

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/05/19/ramji_microsoft_open_source_strategy/

http://linuxlock.blogspot.com/2008/05/microsoft-stockholder-take-stock-in.html

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/7405346.stm
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Post by: Smokey on May 19, 2008, 12:01:52 pm
Quote from: "The Honorable C-Chan"See if DOSBox works in your system. I used DOSBox to play some really nostalgia-inducing DOS games in Linux, including Heroes of Might and Magic I and an older version of Battle Chess.


Yeah, DOS-box is a sure fire way to get DOS in systems which have abandoned or never have supported this piece of Genesis...

Plus, Battlechess for DOS roolz!!! :D Nice to see that there are people here that also enjoy a game of chess... ;010
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Post by: C-Chan on May 19, 2008, 12:15:26 pm
It's usually quicker for me to play Knights (equipped with the Penguin theme for maximum "winnage"), but Battle Chess still has the nostalgia factor.  I do love a good game of chess, yes, but given all the work I have to do is a luxury I can ill-afford to take part in often.  ^.^'

Kinda the reason why I had to literally PRY myself off of Battle for Wesnoth, or else you would never see me again.  ^_____^'

I've yet to try the old TIE Fighter CD game (before LucasArts butchered the music) -- I think that would work great in DOSBox.  ^.^
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Post by: Smokey on May 19, 2008, 12:39:13 pm
The only thing I haven't got working in DOS-box is Heretic...
It behaves like -eeeh- Flight Simulator X on a very old PC (low framerate etc.) :(
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Post by: C-Chan on May 19, 2008, 04:18:19 pm
Hmmm,... sounds like a job for,.... Virtualbox.  ^____^

In any event, I'm surprised this isn't bigger news, given the implications....  ^.^

http://www.itwire.com/content/view/18305/1023/

Instant-on computing,... *drools*  ^u^
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Post by: Smokey on May 19, 2008, 06:33:08 pm
Yeah, i had a similar PC once... Booted up in just 3 seconds...
It was my PC-XT 6.33 Mhz running DOS 4... :D

And ASUS does kick ass, always has... ;010
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Post by: Kami-Tux on May 20, 2008, 03:36:27 pm
I really like the idea of Linux in the BIOS. :)
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Post by: Bella on May 20, 2008, 05:52:49 pm
The day M$ goes open source, hell will become a first-class ice hotel. And you better believe that if they do "open up"...there will be some motive -__-

I wish I could comment on this neat little discussion about DOS games...but alas, DOS was a bit before my time. The closest I got to using it was the DOS mode on Windows 98 (ironically it worked better than 98 itself!)

Wait, so Splashtop is an embedded OS (would that make it firmware, right)? Aside from the fact that there are some limitations...what a neat idea! Although, I have never been one to be ticked off my computer's boot-up time...this comes from the same person who doesn't mind that their computer almost constantly makes noises, weights 8 pounds, and heats up like a frying pan ^///^
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Post by: Kami-Tux on May 20, 2008, 06:30:03 pm
Quote from: "Bella"Wait, so Splashtop is an embedded OS (would that make it firmware, right)? Aside from the fact that there are some limitations...what a neat idea! Although, I have never been one to be ticked off my computer's boot-up time...this comes from the same person who doesn't mind that their computer almost constantly makes noises, weights 8 pounds, and heats up like a frying pan ^///^


Yep, it IS firmware.

Boot up times irk me if I see no progress, like under Windows or Linux with splash screen. I don't mind seeing Gentoo or damnsmall boot up.
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Post by: Smokey on May 20, 2008, 07:40:13 pm
Well, I don't really mind boot-time (up to certain levels), and I don't mind my PC being a bit on the heavy side (that's what you get for stuffing it full of HDDs :D), but I do like to keep my PC quiet, though, willing to sacrifice silence for coldness (My old Dell had 3 very noisy 120mm fans, but id did cool about 6 square feet around it, too ;010)
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Post by: icerain on May 21, 2008, 11:20:07 am
Quote from: "Bella"

I wish I could comment on this neat little discussion about DOS games...but alas, DOS was a bit before my time.








DOS was before my time too.
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Post by: Smokey on May 21, 2008, 12:59:48 pm
HAHAHAHAAAAAH!!!
Behold the arcane knowledge of the DOS-users...
And behold their epic oldness....
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Post by: Kami-Tux on May 21, 2008, 04:40:56 pm
I still use DOS on my craptop... or damnsmall...
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Post by: Smokey on May 21, 2008, 05:08:40 pm
Well, I'm stuck with using DOS-box, wich is in fact an excellent way of introducing DOS on any system...
The lack of a graphical browser in DOS would actually be good for me, since i found out that building a particle accelerator isn't all that hard...
(I wonder what would happen (to me) if you send a beam from a home-built laser into a home-built linac (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linear_particle_accelerator) or cyclotron (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyclotron)?
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Post by: Kami-Tux on May 21, 2008, 05:24:03 pm
There is/was Arachne as graphical browser...
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Post by: Smokey on May 21, 2008, 07:26:33 pm
I never knew that, but then i mainly used DOS from 1988-1994, and internet wasn't that common at that time...
I did use a nice shell, though; Toybox 2.02 (it was nice since it used a graphical interface with customizable icons in a windows style even handling subwindows so various sorts of applications/games could be grouped in sub-menus)...
Come to think of it, it worked a heck of a lot better than windows... :D
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Post by: C-Chan on May 24, 2008, 02:08:53 am
Hello Peoplez!
Just writing very briefly to prove I'm still alive, and not bacon yet.  ;)

Have been busy all week, from fixing friend's Win boxes (and doing the obligatory "advertisement"), to building pond waterfalls,... but the majority of the time was spent helping the deployment of EeePCLOS Beta 3.1.  Feel free to try out a copy if you'd like....  ^^

http://linuxtracker.org/index.php?page=torrent-details&id=e013740c34090f8be060af41f8710a5d91885d3c

I'm actually still busy getting a head start on applets for our next release, but at least there's a lot less pressure now.  ^.^

Would like to quickly share two pieces of VERY GOOD NEWS I came across in the last 48 hours:

http://news.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/05/19/0154224
http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20080523130503456

Fufu,... talk about chinks in the armor.  ^___^

Alright, gotta go, but hope to be back soon!  ^.^

*C-chan trots off*
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Post by: Smokey on May 24, 2008, 08:05:44 am
Well, I am a big ASUS fan, but i find this hard to swallow...
Maybe M$ is pressuring them?
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Post by: Bella on May 25, 2008, 12:30:02 pm
QuoteI never knew that, but then i mainly used DOS from 1988-1994, and internet wasn't that common at that time...
I did use a nice shell, though; Toybox 2.02 (it was nice since it used a graphical interface with customizable icons in a windows style even handling subwindows so various sorts of applications/games could be grouped in sub-menus)...
Come to think of it, it worked a heck of a lot better than windows...


Wow, I never knew there were any graphic shells for DOS. I learn something new every day.

And yeah, DOS mode always worked better than 98 itself :P

QuoteHello Peoplez!
Just writing very briefly to prove I'm still alive, and not bacon yet.


...Then who did I have for breakfast...? ;026

QuoteHave been busy all week, from fixing friend's Win boxes (and doing the obligatory "advertisement"), to building pond waterfalls,... but the majority of the time was spent helping the deployment of EeePCLOS Beta 3.1. Feel free to try out a copy if you'd like.... ^^

http://linuxtracker.org/index.php?page=torrent-details&id=e013740c34090f8be060af41f8710a5d91885d3c


...You think it would work well enough in VirtualBox?

QuoteWould like to quickly share two pieces of VERY GOOD NEWS I came across in the last 48 hours:

http://news.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/05/19/0154224
http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20080523130503456


Well, it's good that some countries are trying to stop them...there's really no such luck here...
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Post by: Smokey on May 25, 2008, 02:08:41 pm
Well, Windows 3.x was a graphical DOS shell...

and, yes it's good that M$ doesn't get away with so much nowadays, but it stings that ASUS was involved, too...
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Post by: C-Chan on May 25, 2008, 09:46:06 pm
QuoteWell, I am a big ASUS fan, but i find this hard to swallow...
Maybe M$ is pressuring them?


WAAAH?  M$?  Pressuring people?!

Naaaaaaaaaaaaaaah,... surely you jest....  ;D

M$ has gone to great lengths to NOT destroy the UMPC and ULPC market,... I mean, look at how much they've I-M-P-R-O-V-E-D the OLPC project....  ;D

QuoteWow, I never knew there were any graphic shells for DOS. I learn something new every day.

And yeah, DOS mode always worked better than 98 itself :P


Maybe Windows 1.0-san wouldn't mind, but I think I hear 2.0-chan bawling her eyes out.  ^.^;

Quote...Then who did I have for breakfast...?  


*plants funeral reef on Bella's stomach*

You're too cruel.  ;^~^;

Quote...You think it would work well enough in VirtualBox?


Well yeah for the most part,... but for maximum impact, you'd have to reduce the internal resolution to 800x600.  That way, you'd get a slightly better idea of the challenges of working with a small 800x480 screen.  ^____^

QuoteWell, it's good that some countries are trying to stop them...there's really no such luck here...


A lot of money, time and lives were wasted promoting how GREAT Globalism is for everyone,... from a product standpoint....

I say what's good for the goose is good for the gander, so globalization of the ideals of life, liberty, pursuit-of-happiness, and justice FROM ABROAD are just as worthy of being imported here in North America as anything else.  ^^

So I'm not French or South African, but by GAWD that makes me proud, invigorated and hopeful as well.  -v-

Especially when it affects the education sector, which has the most to gain from F/OSS, but also much potential to give back.  ^^

http://www.theinquirer.net/gb/inquirer/news/2008/05/21/open-source-trumps-microsoft-uk

Although this is nice too...

http://ec.europa.eu/idabc/en/document/7635/469

Quoteand, yes it's good that M$ doesn't get away with so much nowadays, but it stings that ASUS was involved, too...


You'd be surprised, but one of our greatest impediments to the EeePCLinuxOS project is Asus itself.  Out of all the [cheap] hardware they could've chosen for the EeePC, they seemed to have gone to great lengths to acquire some fairly Linux-unfriendly hardware, such as the Atheros wifi card, the problematic Intel chip [for that resolution], and the UVC camera that seems to break with every new BIOS release.

What's more, the EeePC 900 has even MORE hidden modifications that stump independent Linux distro developers for a few weeks or so, with more hidden modifications promised in the Intel Atom-based 901.

Coupled with their piss-poor technical support (they practically volunteered eeeusers.com to be their main "technical support site"), their shady pricing schemes (the Linux EeePC 900 costs MUCH MORE than the XP version in Australia), and their willingness to leave their own AsusOS untouched for over 6 months.....

Yeah, it's pretty easy to remember that they really are a company like any other.  ^^;

Sure, we do owe them (and Everex) a small debt of gratitude for helping kickstart consumer-level Linux machines -- and they really are remarkable little machines (no doubt Asus is still king in hardware).  But after I've handed in my money and given my token respects, my love ends there and it's back to business as usual.  

And that being said, Asus can be a real rat sometimes.  `v'
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Post by: Smokey on May 26, 2008, 07:09:14 am
I think i'll keep remembering ASUS as that little cheap Taiwanese clone factory that stumped IBM and Intel by producing a working 486-board, instantly becoming an A-brand... :D
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Post by: Bella on May 27, 2008, 09:25:19 pm
QuoteWAAAH? M$? Pressuring people?!

Naaaaaaaaaaaaaaah,... surely you jest.... ;D

M$ has gone to great lengths to NOT destroy the UMPC and ULPC market,... I mean, look at how much they've I-M-P-R-O-V-E-D the OLPC project.... ;D


Was that...sarcasm...? :P


QuoteMaybe Windows 1.0-san wouldn't mind, but I think I hear 2.0-chan bawling her eyes out. ^.^;


As if 2.0-chan isn't always bawling her eyes out @__@
Quote
Well yeah for the most part,... but for maximum impact, you'd have to reduce the internal resolution to 800x600. That way, you'd get a slightly better idea of the challenges of working with a small 800x480 screen. ^____^


Ack, too bad it's a torrent...Unless there's a ton of seeders on a certain torrent...I hate them with a venomous passion.

(Right now Azureus is saying the ETA for this torrent is 12...no, wait, 16...excuse me, 7...now 18...no, 9, for sure, 9 hours. I usually just get a little done every day while I'm on the computer >__<)

QuoteA lot of money, time and lives were wasted promoting how GREAT Globalism is for everyone,... from a product standpoint....

I say what's good for the goose is good for the gander, so globalization of the ideals of life, liberty, pursuit-of-happiness, and justice FROM ABROAD are just as worthy of being imported here in North America as anything else. ^^

So I'm not French or South African, but by GAWD that makes me proud, invigorated and hopeful as well. -v-

Especially when it affects the education sector, which has the most to gain from F/OSS, but also much potential to give back. ^^

http://www.theinquirer.net/gb/inquirer/news/2008/05/21/open-source-trumps-microsoft-uk

Although this is nice too...

http://ec.europa.eu/idabc/en/document/7635/469


These are the stories I like to hear; I guess progress in the acceptance of open source software...like bittorrents...is a slow but sure process.

*checks torrent*

Hey! We're back up to 18...scratch that....11 hours!

QuoteYou'd be surprised, but one of our greatest impediments to the EeePCLinuxOS project is Asus itself. Out of all the [cheap] hardware they could've chosen for the EeePC, they seemed to have gone to great lengths to acquire some fairly Linux-unfriendly hardware, such as the Atheros wifi card, the problematic Intel chip [for that resolution], and the UVC camera that seems to break with every new BIOS release.

What's more, the EeePC 900 has even MORE hidden modifications that stump independent Linux distro developers for a few weeks or so, with more hidden modifications promised in the Intel Atom-based 901.

Coupled with their piss-poor technical support (they practically volunteered eeeusers.com to be their main "technical support site"), their shady pricing schemes (the Linux EeePC 900 costs MUCH MORE than the XP version in Australia), and their willingness to leave their own AsusOS untouched for over 6 months.....


Wow, for a company that is bring Linux to the mainstream, they seem to be thwarting it (or trying) at every possible chance...

QuoteYeah, it's pretty easy to remember that they really are a company like any other. ^^;

Sure, we do owe them (and Everex) a small debt of gratitude for helping kickstart consumer-level Linux machines -- and they really are remarkable little machines (no doubt Asus is still king in hardware). But after I've handed in my money and given my token respects, my love ends there and it's back to business as usual.

And that being said, Asus can be a real rat sometimes. `v'


And this is why I'm probably buying Apple (maybe...just maybe...Everex) next time I get a computer :P

QuoteI think i'll keep remembering ASUS as that little cheap Taiwanese clone factory that stumped IBM and Intel by producing a working 486-board, instantly becoming an A-brand...


I had never even heard of them till I found out about the EeePC, honestly ;)

And for one last installment of TorrentWatch...we have steadied at 6...nope, 7...no, no, 8, hours...DAMN YOU! 10 HOURS?! YOU IS GOING THE WRONG WAY!
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Post by: C-Chan on May 27, 2008, 09:48:05 pm
Ahhhhhhhhh,... no wonder the torrent's taking forever,.. you're using Azureus.  `v'

It may be open-source, but even I have to recognize that it's a sloppy program, written in Java in such a way that makes it ABYSSMALLY SLOW, especially on older machines.  I'd swear you'd need Vista-loads of RAM to make it run properly.  Â¬Â¬

For Windows XP, the undisputed torrent king continues to be uTorrent, I believe.  Barring that, you can always use BitTornado,... which despite being ugly, is still very fast and lightweight.  ^^

Outside of Windows, Transmission and kTorrent are fantastic -- those might be viable options in case you want to download it from *Buntu.

But I know it's fast, cause,... well,... I'M one of those seeders.  `v'

And yes, I do have to admit that, despite having a solid collection of seeders, there's always of about 6 or 7 leechers that never seem to want to download from me.  Could be the client they're using, or maybe they're behind a firewall, I dunno,... but still, they're always there.  ^^'
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Post by: Smokey on May 27, 2008, 09:54:07 pm
uTorrent, w00t!!!

keeps me supplied (along with animesuki) with animez... ;010

So whats that i hear about Vista-like RAM requirements? :D
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Post by: C-Chan on May 27, 2008, 10:51:19 pm
You know,... like between 2-4 gigs.  :D

Nothing like convincing your avg. consumer that equipping your machine with enough hardware to run a full-fledged server is necessary to surf the web and write letters.  :P
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Post by: Smokey on May 27, 2008, 11:06:05 pm
Or you have your average "enthousiast" who likes overkill and installs 4GB of RAM on Win XP... :D

And i am looking for an overkill watercooling system, because i know i can push my two AMD cores from 2500MHz to somewhere around 3GHz...:D
Or further...

*rubs his hands and starts drooling uncontrollably*
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Post by: C-Chan on May 27, 2008, 11:22:44 pm
Whoops,... better get the firefighters on stand by.  :D

In other news, I found this blog very.... cute.....
Sure brings back memories of my bad ol' days....  ^___^

http://www.fsckin.com/2008/05/23/what-happens-when-you-ask-a-software-pirate-for-ubuntu/
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Post by: Bella on May 28, 2008, 12:27:27 am
I tried uTorrent, the ETA went from 5 hours to a day and a half. The little icon on the bottom bar was always yellow...it never went green, but it's not like uTorrent is blocked by a firewall or anything.

Oh well, K8's going to bed...
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Post by: C-Chan on May 28, 2008, 01:01:12 am
Well you may not have an actual software firewall, but it's still to be seen whether your modem/router has some filtering solution in plac.  I know thats the case with my modem, so I had to do port-forwarding, at least back when I was using uTorrent.  :(

Le sigh....

Oh well, I'll thinka something else.  ;)

In the meantime, 'fraid tech support is all I can afford this evening.  Maybe I'll have better luck tomorrow, and get back to some LONG overdue responses.  :D
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Post by: Smokey on May 28, 2008, 05:56:22 am
On the article, LOL... At least he didn't ask a random price for Ubuntu, so he wasn't all bad... :D

And why would you want to get firefighters on standby?
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Post by: NejinOniwa on May 29, 2008, 09:01:25 am
Because when YOU try cooling things down, they go up in smoke instead.

And! uTorrent is most certainly the best torrent utility I've ever come across. I used BitComet before. It was...abysmal. >_>
And torrent networks are always problematic when it comes to seeders and leechers - maxupload, other users, etc, etc. But that's a given. I can still download the latest Bleach episode in well under 2 minutes, and that's good for me. -w-

Oh! And about ASUS, I've got to step somewhat in their favor here, since I just this saturday bought a pair of their products. One WIIIDEscreen monitor, and one gracious motherboard. When I get my pay next month I'll buy me a Q9-something processor and a bunch of DDR3 modules too, and then finish shit off with some crossfire gfx cards, and we'll finally be up and running if shit works this time around (it'd better). Rant rant rant. But anyway. ASUS is good stuff when it comes to hardware. I'll give them that.

Also, I realized that Alpha now has an uptime of 4 days or something, since I leave it on overnight and day. This is a bad sign, isn't it? >.>
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Post by: Smokey on May 29, 2008, 10:49:54 am
Quote from: "NejinOniwa"Because when YOU try cooling things down, they go up in smoke instead.


That's why I've added a new brand to my favorites list; Koolance...
Mainly because of their Water-cooled Power Supply (http://www.koolance.com/water-cooling/product_info.php?product_id=665)...
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Post by: NejinOniwa on May 29, 2008, 04:54:40 pm
Koolance? MOAR LIEK KOOL-AID AMIRITE
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Post by: C-Chan on May 30, 2008, 09:31:55 am
QuoteAnd why would you want to get firefighters on standby?


uhhh,... yeah,...

I agree with Nejin-san... might be paranoid, but everytime I combine "overclocking" with the name "Smokey", I tend to think disaster ensues.  :P

QuoteAlso, I realized that Alpha now has an uptime of 4 days or something, since I leave it on overnight and day. This is a bad sign, isn't it? >.>


Yeeeeeeeeeeah,... well, lemee put it in perspective....  ^^;
I pulled out the battery of my EeePC, hooked it on AC, and let it seed my Beta 3-1 release (and other distros) since it was released.  Going on a week now, so my "toy" laptop already has a better uptime.  ;D

Poor Nejin-san's gonna have to mess around with more thermal paste at this rate....  ^.^;

====================

In other news, I gotz the good readz for the day:

A little slapstick:
http://www.reallylinux.com/docs/linuxevangelist.shtml

And a little uplift:
http://www.consortiuminfo.org/standardsblog/article.php?story=20080529150227123
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Post by: Smokey on May 30, 2008, 10:30:17 am
well, my PC is back to an uptime of a month now following a short break.
Before that it reached an uptime of nearly a year...
(And i'm going to reassemble my keyboard first, since typing with the top off is a real pain...I'm cleaning the thing )
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Post by: Bella on May 30, 2008, 08:36:35 pm
Ack, the computer/modem/router whatever has broken my spirit with torrents. You win, machines!

*shakes fist*

QuoteOn the article, LOL... At least he didn't ask a random price for Ubuntu, so he wasn't all bad...


How could you assign a price for something so perfect? It is truly priceless. For Ubuntu is like a treasure to be shared with the world.

(That sum goooood Evangelizin' there)


QuoteA little slapstick:
http://www.reallylinux.com/docs/linuxevangelist.shtml


OMG....

QuoteNumber 1

Do not sneak in to work early one morning, insert Linux live CDs into everyone’s desktop system...


...I have actually done this as an April Fools Day prank. I put a Barebones Puppy liveCD into my dad's computer; but instead of indignation or intrigue, I got mild indifference. Among family and friends, Linux usually brings...mild indifference. XD
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Post by: Smokey on May 30, 2008, 09:11:22 pm
I have so far only managed to succesfully introduce a form of Linux to 2 people, both were convinced by stating that "It's free and legal, no matter what you do with it", "About a zillion times more stable than windows and with a bazillion less security leaks" and off course "Linux has an Office Suite wich is perfectly capable of opening and modifying M$ Office documents"...
I still have to experiment with WINE and make i run games stable (and preferably more efficient than Windows) to win my mates over, since we're bound to windows as the sole means of hassle-free gaming...
I have to admit, though that i haven't started experimenting with WINE, since it would mean interrupting my current uptime... I've come to a point where i make eefficient use of my 4GB of RAM by not shutting down games i play, but merely switching to the desktop by means of the windows key or an alt-tab...
I now have 2 games, an editor, 2 Firefox windows, both full of opened tabs, utorrent, winamp and 2 explorer windows open, while i'm typing this... :D
I have to say btw that i LOVE the way that Firefox remembers what pages she has opened for you when you shutdown the PC without closing her (or when a power failure occurs)...
And i'm having a rant here, wich i rarely do...sweet... :D
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Post by: C-Chan on June 04, 2008, 05:37:17 pm
QuoteAck, the computer/modem/router whatever has broken my spirit with torrents. You win, machines!

*shakes fist*


I can't believe Miss I-Can-Kick-Ass-In-Old-VMS-Games can let herself be defeated by a simple little torrent boggle.  The shame, Bella-hime, the shame....  Â¯-¯

But in any event, didn't come here for that, so you're off the hook... -v-

QuoteWell, i already do like Vista...

But the problem is Vista is kinda like 2 things in one...

On one side you have a gaming platform, wich is (or will be) able to run games really nicely, and therefore is basically just an evolution of XP...

On the other hand however, they (M$) smothered Vista with unneccesary (and unnecesarily demanding) eyecandy and trinkets, slowing down (or crippling) the system...

So, basically if they make a sober, stripped version of Vista, like XP, but with better gaming api's (like an evolution of XP), then it will be a good (for M$'s doing) windows...

So, yeah, I love it and hate it...

I'm afraid to show myself at the MEWXPZLFUDAWV club...


Well first off, it's not like we're a bunch of starving piranhas ready to chomp down on dissent, although that is the prevailing stereotype.  ;)

You can generally tell the difference between honest discussion and raving madness by the amount of credit one side is willing to give to the other.  If one side is willing to admit benefits as well as flaws in the opposition, then that's honesty as nothing's perfect.  But if said side is unilateral in the loathe for the opposition, seeing it as unconditionally evil and without merit,... then it would be a good time to run while you still can. :P

Believe it or not, I have played XBOX 360 (awkwardly, given how used to I am to the Wii controllers), and while I do find the FPS games (e.g., Halo 3, Gears of War) not to my liking, I do awe at the technical and narrative achievements.  I've not played such a game on Vista, but I've never had doubt any of the newer games at least running gushingly-beautiful on it.  Couple that with prior gems such as the "Age of..." series of RTS games, and there's definitely no denying M$ knows how to do games.  Probably helps a lot that their gaming division is fairly independent compared to the other departments.

However, I would argue that the sober, stripped-down version of Vista you crave WOULD IN FACT be Windows XP with a few minor [sober] updates and DirectX 10 support.  If M$ were committed to give consumers what they wanted and simply improve on their flagshop product that has served people's (and corporation's) needs for now almost a decade, then they wouldn't receive nearly as much hate as they do now.

But that being said, it's very possible that XP is crippled in gaming (versus Vista) more so by design then technical merit.  The Linux kernel has been around since 1991, yet has managed to keep up with the times through incremental improvements -- no reason why the Windows Kernel used in XP couldn't be upkeeped the same way.  This ties back to the planned obsolescence not just of your software, but your beloved hardware as well.

And given how easy it is to create very entertaining things by making them play smoothly (which I find akin to the ease of making food tasty by adding more grease), it certainly sounds like a very cheap hook to get you to surrender yourself unconditionally.  A Roman analogy would be the issuance of a decree to burn your house and take your gold, in exchange for a VIP Pass to free orgies for a week, plus the best damn Coliseum games money can buy.  :D

Not saying you stop using it because knowledge of Vista is still a useful skill to have.  Heck, one of the core developers to EeePCLinuxOS IS a Vista user, and we're good friends.  But I definitely insist you always keep your skepticism, and watch out for shenanigans.  I know I was quite cautious even when I was using Mac OSX, and it was for the better as it prevented me from agreeeing to rather shady (in my opinion) .Mac and iTunes licenses.  


In any event, that's my take on that, Brother Smoke.  ^^

Let me end the day with a bit of good news,... the coming of another potential Baby.... ^___^

http://blogs.guardian.co.uk/technology/2008/06/04/acer_confirms_aspire_one_subnotebookminibook.html
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Post by: NejinOniwa on June 04, 2008, 06:59:00 pm
So the Coming of Atom is nigh, eh?

Well I never.
(well actually yes, but anyway)
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Post by: Smokey on June 04, 2008, 09:20:28 pm
Awww. that's one cute looking notebook... ;010

And, yeah...
You have reminded me of my statement on all hard- and software made by microsoft...:
It's not their (Vista, XBOX, XP etc) fault that they're riddled with problems... They are actually quite good if you consider where they came from... :D (I expect every M$ product to suck hard, so it always seems better than i anticipated...)
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Post by: NejinOniwa on June 06, 2008, 06:36:40 am
Hey guise.

Has any of you any experience with  vLite (http://www.vlite.net)?
It might seem as a good way to lighten vista's amount of FAIL.
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Post by: Smokey on June 06, 2008, 06:49:56 am
The last lightweight windows i used was as annoying as vista (how paranoïd can an OS get?!), since they stripped out way too much, fun for games, since it was a gamer edition but no printing, almost none of the DOS commands, only one wisual theme (winamp theme), only supporting US-keyboard layout (I always use US-Int.) oh and it didn't even support all the games...

But i'll keep it in mind when i reinstall one of the windozers....
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Post by: C-Chan on June 11, 2008, 11:14:15 am
Well I've not seen any legal issues with regards to the personal use of nLite/vLite (something which can't be said for distribution), so yeah why not?   I love an app that cedes more power back to the user.  :)

In other words, even though the title sounds uplifting, even I have to admit the article is annoyingly misleading and factually incorrect:

http://www.bloggernews.net/116062

Such a disservice to poor VxWorks-san.  ;___;
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Post by: Aurora Borealis on June 11, 2008, 01:40:33 pm
I noticed a blaring error in that article: when it said that 33 MHz was the equivalent of the Intel 386 a decade ago.

1. Processors were much faster than that 10 years ago! (processor speeds of 200-400 MHz)

2a. The Pentium processor (Pentium II or III) was the current one from Intel 10 years ago

2b. The 386 was current about 20 years ago



And not to mention that only Windows gets the Blue Screen of Death! (although I think the author was just trying to mention the equivalent of the BSOD


Also, isn't VxWorks a variant of Unix instead of Linux?
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Post by: Bella on June 11, 2008, 03:26:41 pm
That was a very interesting discussion about the ups and downs of using Vista; I, too, have to admit I would probably be on the Vista bandwagon is M$ wasn't being such a jerk (using a nice word) about the. y'know, forced conversion campaign. I think, in one felled sweep, M$ has completely and utterly lost all my respect--because they have lost theirs for the consumer, probably very long ago. But they have irrevocably damaged my view on them; if only out of spite or the courage of my convictions I will never patronize them again.

This said, there be only three things I really do on my computer: writing, web browsing, and artwork.

And about that VxWorks article...Where was that author getting his sources? I mean...did they even give Wikipedia a look? It's not related to Linux, hell, Linux didn't exist when it was first manufactured. Not to mention this is a realtime OS while Linux, is most cases, isn't.

At any rate, I'm happy my router's OS is back on Mars again ;)
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Post by: C-Chan on June 11, 2008, 03:32:05 pm
Correct on all accounts!  There's a reason I call you Aurora-hime.  ^^

Regarding the speed, a RISC processor can certainly do a lot more with little processing speed compared to x86 stuff.  That's why it's considered very reliable for embedded stuff.  

There is embedded Linux, but relative to tried-and-true embedded OSes it's still a work in progress and perhaps not well-suited to being launched into space where you won't be able to pop open the case and see what's wrong.  ^.^'

Maybe in a few more years -- and certainly from all the other space agencies around the world that have gained traction.  ^^

QuoteThis said, there be only three things I really do on my computer: writing, web browsing, and artwork.


*dangles Asus EeePC playfully*

No?  ^^

Okay, try this one...

*dangles Acer Aspire One playfully*

QuoteAnd about that VxWorks article...Where was that author getting his sources? I mean...did they even give Wikipedia a look? It's not related to Linux, hell, Linux didn't exist when it was first manufactured. Not to mention this is a realtime OS while Linux, is most cases, isn't.


Even this FORUM would've served as a better source compared to whatever he looked up (if he looked up anything at all).  ^^;

QuoteAt any rate, I'm happy my router's OS is back on Mars again


I'm telling ya, that girl gets to places, and FAST.  ^v^
Hopefully that's more inspiration for your Linux story. ^___^
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Post by: JA8956 / Patrick on June 11, 2008, 04:39:04 pm
i make it short , I love Vista 64bit !
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Post by: NejinOniwa on June 11, 2008, 04:46:56 pm
(http://i302.photobucket.com/albums/nn89/Joel_watkins/have-a-seat.gif)
Why don't you have a seat over there...
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Post by: JA8956 / Patrick on June 11, 2008, 05:42:38 pm
hm ? shure
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Post by: C-Chan on June 15, 2008, 04:06:07 pm
Wow, these things are starting to spread....  ^.^

http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=splashtop_voodoo&num=1

In other news,... I forgot to post this last week when it was very big news.  Kind of offers a stark contrast to the Novell-M$ agreement last year....  -v-'

http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20080611191302741

In other news x2,.... I... want.... this.........  @v@

http://www.acer.com/aspireone/
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Post by: NejinOniwa on June 15, 2008, 09:08:29 pm
I'm to tired and full of other RAGE to read the lawsuit mumbo-jumbo in detail...but it seems GUUUUUUUU'. Really GUUUUUUU'. At least something is getting brighter.
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Post by: Smokey on June 16, 2008, 01:10:54 pm
About the aspire one, when i saw the lil'critter, i thought awwww, cute...
Then i saw the intel logo and i thought ewwww, intel... :D

Sorry, die-hard AMD fan...
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Post by: C-Chan on June 16, 2008, 04:23:03 pm
QuoteI'm to tired and full of other RAGE to read the lawsuit mumbo-jumbo in detail...but it seems GUUUUUUUU'. Really GUUUUUUU'. At least something is getting brighter.


You do seem to be a rage magnet -- stop attracting rage already!  :P
But yes, even though the actual details of the settlement haven't been revealed yet, it seems it's of far better benefit to Open Source.  

QuoteAbout the aspire one, when i saw the lil'critter, i thought awwww, cute...
Then i saw the intel logo and i thought ewwww, intel...

Sorry, die-hard AMD fan...


I'm actually surprised that AMD has not issued an ultraportable processor yet, especially considering the rising popularity of these things.  The only major competition the Intel Atom has is from the new VIA Isaiah.  And while I hear it is pretty good, I'm not holding my breath for anything from VIA just quite yet.  :P
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Post by: JA8956 / Patrick on June 16, 2008, 04:42:49 pm
well amd has a kind of ultra mobile cpu , its called "geode"  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geode_%28processor%29

But its realy weak, it has less performance than the intel atoms.
Im happy that my small eee pc usese the Celeron 353ULV. its a realy powerfull cpu on that small machíne if you unlock the true power , because the 353ULV series based on the pentium M 710 series.
It has yust the half cache ( now only 512 Kb L2) but for e-mail and some videos its ok. But i must say as an intel lover im quite imressed about the Via Isaiah, that platform has a true potential.
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Post by: Smokey on June 16, 2008, 05:58:05 pm
Man, AMD has got to get their act together, because i remember the times when they pwned Intel... (I loved the duron, it beat the Celeron both in price and performance...:D)
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Post by: NejinOniwa on June 16, 2008, 07:37:29 pm
They fell when Core2 drew its mighty sword.


Also, with Nehalem coming this fall they might not even have a chance to catch up...
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Post by: Bella on June 16, 2008, 09:16:18 pm
Quote*dangles Asus EeePC playfully*

No? ^^

Okay, try this one...

*dangles Acer Aspire One playfully*


Sorry, I'm afraid I'd never be able to get used to such a small screen/keyboard :(

QuoteWow, these things are starting to spread.... ^.^

http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=splashtop_voodoo&num=1


Whoa, I wonder when Apple is going to implement some sort of instant-start technology...

QuoteIn other news,... I forgot to post this last week when it was very big news. Kind of offers a stark contrast to the Novell-M$ agreement last year.... -v-'

http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20080611191302741


Good for them...I guess...

QuoteIn other news x2,.... I... want.... this......... @v@

http://www.acer.com/aspireone/


Awwwww, cute!

QuoteThe only major competition the Intel Atom has is from the new VIA Isaiah. And while I hear it is pretty good, I'm not holding my breath for anything from VIA just quite yet. :P


VIA Isaiah? The Old Testament CPU? :P
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Post by: Smokey on June 17, 2008, 04:32:33 am
LOL, i thought Isaiah?, see a doctor for that...
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Post by: C-Chan on June 23, 2008, 03:30:05 pm
Aa sou sou,... almost forgot about the AMD Geode, but that definitely isn't really the same thing.  Or at least I've always viewed it as a power-saving processor rather than one for modern MIDs.  '__'

Admittedly, AMD has gotten its act together rather quickly with regards to FOSS -- so much so that my old ATI Radeon card no longer gives me any trouble with their drivers.  For that, I'll cheer them on in their pursuit for an Atom/Isiah competitor.  ^___^

QuoteSorry, I'm afraid I'd never be able to get used to such a small screen/keyboard  


BAAH!  Same old excuse that never really holds water after about a week of usage, especially with the Aspire One which has a 95%-sized keyboard.  ;)

Then again, it is Acer so perhaps understandably you're hesitant about the brand.  ^__^

In that case, here's another potential baby en route:

http://www.engadget.com/2008/06/12/dell-e-and-e-slim-revealed-taking-on-eee-and-air-in-one-fell-sw/

QuoteWhoa, I wonder when Apple is going to implement some sort of instant-start technology...


Their current desktops already boot rather quickly, so not sure if they have the same incentive to research in that particular area.  Laptops are a different story, but they're not terribly bad compared to how they were in the older models.  ^^'

========================

In other news, UNIX-sama has forced yet ANOTHER one of her sniveling little offspring to cooperate with the Linux-tans.  ^^

http://news.cnet.com/8301-10784_3-9974882-7.html
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Post by: Bella on June 24, 2008, 07:43:05 pm
QuoteAa sou sou,... almost forgot about the AMD Geode, but that definitely isn't really the same thing. Or at least I've always viewed it as a power-saving processor rather than one for modern MIDs. '__'

Admittedly, AMD has gotten its act together rather quickly with regards to FOSS -- so much so that my old ATI Radeon card no longer gives me any trouble with their drivers. For that, I'll cheer them on in their pursuit for an Atom/Isiah competitor. ^___^


Meh, my computers run on AMD processors. So three cheers for AMD!

QuoteBAAH! Same old excuse that never really holds water after about a week of usage, especially with the Aspire One which has a 95%-sized keyboard.


*rapping*

I like big comps and cannot lie, you other users can't deny, that when a comp comes in with an nice wide case and a big screen in your face...

Brrr, I can't believe I just referenced Sir Mixalot's booty song in a post O__o

QuoteThen again, it is Acer so perhaps understandably you're hesitant about the brand. ^__^

In that case, here's another potential baby en route:

http://www.engadget.com/2008/06/12/dell-e-and-e-slim-revealed-taking-on-eee-and-air-in-one-fell-sw/


I'm not as hesitant about Acer as I am about Dell...

QuoteIn other news, UNIX-sama has forced yet ANOTHER one of her sniveling little offspring to cooperate with the Linux-tans. ^^

http://news.cnet.com/8301-10784_3-9974882-7.html

Heyhey, that's not just any Unix...that's Tru64 Unix. That was a DEC OS....
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Post by: NejinOniwa on June 25, 2008, 06:49:09 am
QuoteI like big comps and cannot lie, you other users can't deny, that when a comp comes in with an nice wide case and a big screen in your face...

Brrr, I can't believe I just referenced Sir Mixalot's booty song in a post O__o

Yo homes to Bel-Air!

...right?
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Post by: C-Chan on June 25, 2008, 12:44:58 pm
QuoteI like big comps and cannot lie, you other users can't deny, that when a comp comes in with an nice wide case and a big screen in your face...

Brrr, I can't believe I just referenced Sir Mixalot's booty song in a post O__o


*puts on hat sideways [awkwardly]*

[tone-deaf] OMG, I spoke to soon, I'm gonna have to make a mighty big swoon!
This Bella Girl knows how to Rap, and clearly digs her E-Machine Lap!


*flashes Peace sign*  Word! ....and stuff!  ^-^v

QuoteI'm not as hesitant about Acer as I am about Dell...


Well true that,... Dell has its own secret reputation of the adverse kind.  ^^'

Okay then, stick with the beloved Acer that you'll adore and cherish anyway cause the C-chan says so.  ^.^

QuoteHeyhey, that's not just any Unix...that's Tru64 Unix. That was a DEC OS....


Aa sou sou!  How could I have forgotten!  @v@
Awww man, that's just gonna get the creative juices fired up all over again.  

QuoteYo homes to Bel-Air!

...right?


RIGHT!!!!!  ^V^

....

Right what?  ^__^

===========

In other news, the CIOST need a new member and FAST!!  ^v^

http://www.linux.com/feature/139596

Interesting stuff really.  ^__^

Also, I know what I'm trying out next...  ^.^

http://www.earos.dk/
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Post by: NejinOniwa on June 25, 2008, 01:27:50 pm
Quote
http://www.linux.com/feature/139596

Interesting stuff really. ^__^

Also, I know what I'm trying out next... ^.^

http://www.earos.dk/

I actually saw the Symbian thing a few days ago, on ComputerWorld (i think). Yay for Finland! ^_^

Also. eAR OS "free edition"? Pirate nose smells bad stuff here >_> Is this thing legit!?
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Post by: C-Chan on June 25, 2008, 01:44:21 pm
Not in the US it is, but Denmark is fair game. Basically, it can be distributed to any country that doesn't criminalize the free distribution of DVD and MP3 playback codecs.

Besides, the free edition just means it's not the for-sale version, which is $100USD, and includes a lot of their proprietary multimedia software, as well as performance enhancements.
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Post by: NejinOniwa on June 25, 2008, 02:04:06 pm
Wait...free codec distros are illegal in the US?

Wtf...?
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Post by: C-Chan on June 25, 2008, 02:17:16 pm
I'm sure there are better sources, but this helps explain everything in a nice, convenient (albeit long) nutshell:

http://ubuntucat.wordpress.com/2007/05/28/the-legality-or-illegality-of-w32codecs-and-libdvdcss2/
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Post by: NejinOniwa on June 25, 2008, 05:53:40 pm
Errr...

Nopes, I don't get it. But 'sokay. As you all know by now, I care about software patent-related laws as much as the average person cares about the precise coordinates of Alpha Centauri, so I'll just spare myself the bother.


In other news, Microsoft Silverlight is OH LAWD, PATHETIC. I have the latest version installed, and when I browse around M$' website and come upon places where my Silverlight plugin can come to use, IT ASKS ME TO INSTALL SILVERLIGHT. Please, do it right, if you're gonna do something at all. *facepalm.jpg*
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Post by: Bella on June 26, 2008, 04:55:15 pm
QuoteYo homes to Bel-Air!

...right?


No my home is the mean streets of Manchesta, word!

Quote*puts on hat sideways [awkwardly]*

[tone-deaf] OMG, I spoke to soon, I'm gonna have to make a mighty big swoon!
This Bella Girl knows how to Rap, and clearly digs her E-Machine Lap!

*flashes Peace sign* Word! ....and stuff! ^-^v


Oh no he di'int!

QuoteAa sou sou! How could I have forgotten! @v@
Awww man, that's just gonna get the creative juices fired up all over again.


And I was at a loss for ideas about Tru64-tan's design...I still dunno what she'd be like back at DEC, but at least we know in the modern day she's a friend of Linux-sama's ;)

QuoteIn other news, the CIOST need a new member and FAST!! ^v^

http://www.linux.com/feature/139596

Interesting stuff really. ^__^


I drew some ideas for a SymbianOS-tan not a few days ago. SymbianOS, BTW, is the daughter of EPOC (which I drew a -tan of as well).

QuoteAlso, I know what I'm trying out next... ^.^

http://www.earos.dk/


Ack, looks good and all...but I'm one of those old fashioned types who thinks a TV should be a TV, a radio a radio, and a computer a computer (with a command line interface) :P

QuoteIn other news, Microsoft Silverlight is OH LAWD, PATHETIC. I have the latest version installed, and when I browse around M$' website and come upon places where my Silverlight plugin can come to use, IT ASKS ME TO INSTALL SILVERLIGHT. Please, do it right, if you're gonna do something at all. *facepalm.jpg*


Hmmm, I was asked to install Silverlight for some web application a while back...suffice to say I went no further -__-

In other news, I gave Syllable OS a try. Meh. It was retarded under VirtualBox, so I burned a CD with Syllable on it, and ran K8 on the live CD.

I think it combined all the difficulty of Unix with non of the usefulness of Amiga. Damned fast, though, it booted in a few seconds O__O
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Post by: Kami-Tux on June 27, 2008, 02:19:21 am
I thought it was neat even though it did boot on my crappy computer (not the craptop, the other stationary crappy one) slowly from live-CD.

In other news: OMG, I really love this site for having users in them who know this kind of stuff!
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Post by: NejinOniwa on June 27, 2008, 05:52:51 am
In other news: Kami-tux, do you have a single non-crappy computer? And how many crappy ones do you have, anyway? >_>
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Post by: iDarbert on June 27, 2008, 01:17:22 pm
Quote from: "NejinOniwa"Errr...

Nopes, I don't get it. But 'sokay. As you all know by now, I care about software patent-related laws as much as the average person cares about the precise coordinates of Alpha Centauri, so I'll just spare myself the bother.

I think it can be bluntly put as "decoding CSS requires a royalty to be paid, so a free decoder is either given as part of a commercial product (such as the built-in decoder in Mac OS X or Linspire for example - I don't remember if Windows Vista has one now, but as in Windows XP it still lacks one) or illegal in the US because it's obtained through reverse engineering"
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Post by: NejinOniwa on June 27, 2008, 02:55:46 pm
Puts a bit more light on it. Kthx.
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Post by: Bella on June 29, 2008, 12:53:41 pm
According to a new study, Massachusetts--my state's fraternal twin--is the most tech-savvy in the country:

http://tech.yahoo.com/blogs/hughes/32599

(Don't mind that it's a link to a Yahoo news article. I hear that M$ has given up on hostility-taking them over, so I'm cool with them now :P)

But it gets better; New Hampshire is in the top ten, coming in at #9! Could this be why there are so many Macs in NH and MA? And so many people who know about Linux and open source software...?
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Post by: NejinOniwa on June 29, 2008, 05:04:48 pm
So.
Old Billy is leaving the bridge (http://tech.yahoo.com/blogs/null/96337), and the company stops the engines of its trusty mothership XP. (http://tech.yahoo.com/blogs/null/96295)
All within two days of each other.
Anyone see a sign here?
Maybe, just maybe, mister Gates doesn't want to go much further in the direction the company is going now.
Think about it - he privately told Ballmer as early as 2004 that he wanted to leave the company, and it was announced in 2006 that he would.
I don't know, but reading that flame from 2003 to his devs (http://blog.seattlepi.nwsource.com/microsoft/archives/141821.asp), I'm seeing some of the man behind the behemoth he's been driving. And he looks considerably different from Ballmer - and where the company stands now, together with its CEO.

I might just be rambling, but meh - i might just be seeing through it all, too. As usual.

Also, 1 day left with ALPHA (because post doesn't come on sundays _._) leaves me a bit nostalgic. I've gone through a lot with this machine, and learned tons.
Then again, the reason I've learned so much is probably because there's been so much for me to fix by myself - left on its own it'd probably crash within a month. So it's probably about the last thing that kept me to IE back in the day - honor. Firefox gained its honor with me when I used it to get past the school's badly set-up firewalls and site blocks, and the period of time I knew about FF and used IE was something like 1 week. So much for old-timers.

Unlike most of you who'd probably change the old comp's OS and have it as a secondary, I'll most likely completely evacuate ALPHA entirely. The challenge for me is time, since I've got 10-hour workdays the rest of the week, and go north when the weekend comes. Depending on how much I've gotten done I might bring DELTA with me - then again, it's not as simple to bring a stationary as a notebook. At least I'll need a monitor. So we'll see how it goes with that.

So one Monday with 17 hours of awake time will probably be spent on something like 13 hours of config, and 4 hours of mandatory socializing (and tending to that damn dog) and perhaps, perhaps if I can get everything working in time...some badass gaming.

I've never gone through HL2 in its entirety before, and I'm quite eager to play HL2 and SupCom without the shitty performance I've suffered before.
I'll see if I can get to that tomorrow.

//N
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Post by: C-Chan on June 29, 2008, 11:50:02 pm
Umm,... sorry people for the interruption but,... forgive me, but I might have sinned. ^^;

A friend of mine had an old laptop (that he apparently got from someone else) that he hadn't used n a year and was interested in getting Linux on it.  So I agreed and happily waited until I got the beleaguered laptop in question.....

....

Although it wasn't a PC....

...but an iBook G3 PowerPC with OSX Jaguar on it and barely enough RAM to get it operating properly.  I talked a bit with him, but he had assured me that the Apple store wasn't very helpful regarding a RAM upgrade (as it was too old), and he wasn't interested in any of the apps (and paying for them at that).  

Soooooooooooooo,........

....

On Debian PPC went.....

Can confirm that it's definitely not as out-of-the-box as an x86 installation, but I was able to tinker up a perfectly working state using the Lenny branch (minus a small problem with Suspend, that I still have to patch).  Suffice to say, KDE Debian really makes this PPC purr so beautifully. ^___^

But I still can't help but feel dirty,... maybe I've grown so used to having Macs reside in Macs.

If you need me, I'll be in the closet.... moping.  -.-

But before I leave...

Good luck, Nejin-san, and good for you Bella-sama. ^^

*pulls door shut*
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Post by: NejinOniwa on June 30, 2008, 03:38:56 am
PLEASE COME BACK, C-CHAN
YOUR EXCORCISM TECHNIQUES ARE WONDERFUL
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Post by: Kami-Tux on June 30, 2008, 12:34:27 pm
Heh, C-Chan, No need to feel dirty! It runs Linux now! And that is good! Now use it in textmode to confuse the everliving hell out of Mac Evangelists out there ;)

Added after 6 hours 24 minutes:

Quote from: "NejinOniwa"In other news: Kami-tux, do you have a single non-crappy computer? And how many crappy ones do you have, anyway? >_>


I have one only slightly crappy system, meaning that it is only single core and has only 512 MB RAM. That is jenji. I also have 3 crappy ones: sydi (the craptop, nuff said), slowtux (450 MHz AMD K6-2, 256 MB RAM) and Francesco (my first computer a 'TurboXT' and about as old as I am).
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Post by: C-Chan on June 30, 2008, 01:48:04 pm
[muffled from behind door] Noo,... I think I'm gonna stay here for a while, and stew in my own juices of misery and melancholy....  

Although....

I did forget to bring food with me, so right now all I'm eating to keep me going is dried FUD.  Actually tastes a little like dried cud, I kid you not....

Here, have a taste...


*slips some FUD under the closet door*

http://www.thestandard.com/news/2008/06/26/microsoft-symbians-open-source-move-good-luck
http://news.cnet.com/8301-13505_3-9980413-16.html
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Post by: Kami-Tux on July 01, 2008, 01:20:39 am
Ewww...

Quote
In Microsoft's definition, "open platform" means a proprietary operating system, the development of which is completely and tightly controlled by Microsoft, and that is accessed via some 120 documented APIs available to application developers.


My brain... I was using it! Evil newspeak attempting to get in.


In other news: Sun seems to make more 'sales' volume by selling subscriptions to OpenSolaris than by selling licenses. At least according to the German heise.de

To get back to the topic of this thread: heise.de, an opensource friendly, but not completely OSS related site posted the monthly browser and OS stats from its site (http://www.heise.de/open/Marktanteil-von-Firefox-kratzt-an-der-20-Prozent-Marke--/news/meldung/109877): Anteile der Betriebssysteme auf heise online im Juni  2008:
Windows XP 59,5 %, Linux 14,1 %,
Windows Vista 9,2 %, Mac OS 7,7 %, Windows 2000 5,4 %,
andere/unbekannt 2,6 %, Windows .NET 1,6 %

andere/unbekannt means others/unknown. I like how this club has a solid majority against Vista :)
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Post by: Bella on July 01, 2008, 11:48:25 am
QuoteUmm,... sorry people for the interruption but,... forgive me, but I might have sinned. ^^;

A friend of mine had an old laptop (that he apparently got from someone else) that he hadn't used n a year and was interested in getting Linux on it. So I agreed and happily waited until I got the beleaguered laptop in question.....

....

Although it wasn't a PC....

...but an iBook G3 PowerPC with OSX Jaguar on it and barely enough RAM to get it operating properly. I talked a bit with him, but he had assured me that the Apple store wasn't very helpful regarding a RAM upgrade (as it was too old), and he wasn't interested in any of the apps (and paying for them at that).

Soooooooooooooo,........

....

On Debian PPC went.....


Oh lawd after gazing over this, I thought this was going to be a tale about you picking up a Mac on the cheap XD

QuoteCan confirm that it's definitely not as out-of-the-box as an x86 installation, but I was able to tinker up a perfectly working state using the Lenny branch (minus a small problem with Suspend, that I still have to patch). Suffice to say, KDE Debian really makes this PPC purr so beautifully. ^___^

But I still can't help but feel dirty,... maybe I've grown so used to having Macs reside in Macs.

If you need me, I'll be in the closet.... moping. -.-


Okay, I think this makes you a Linux evangelist. I mean, c'mon, you converted a Mac!

Speaking of which, I'm a bit dismayed cause of this whole XP thing. It's official, I'm not buying startup disks. I can't even get funding to buy them.

You see, for the family business...we're getting a Mac. Not a matter of if but when at this point. Nobody's really going to own the computer, since it's technically a work machine, but I'm probably going to be the one who has to work with it the most.

Now let's talk about my dad, who's gonna be funding its purchase. He's the ex-Windows zealot turned Mac fan. Chances are, this is going to be his computer when it's not being used. I can't say whether or not I see him getting along with it, as he, y'know, has problems working with XP (he can use it pretty well, though). And XP, as we know, is one of the most usable OSes ever.

So I says to my father, "you might want to get XP startup disks while you can still buy them."

His reply: "Why? My next computer will probably be running OS X or Linux."

Me: "Yeah, but I can't say...you'll get along so well with either one..."

(C-Chan, you may think you're a sinner, but here I am trying desperately, I mean, really desperately, to steer away from OS X and Linux!)

To which his reply came: "Oh, if I want it to run XP, I could always barrow a installation disk from a friend."

Me: "Okay, I think what you're talking about is illegal. Not to mention you'd have to crack the activation code or whatever the hell, I have no idea how any of that works."

I better stop recounting this story; the conversation from here took on a rather seedy side about piracy, and so on and so forth.  ;026

Bottom line of this tale: M$ is screwing the consumer over. A lot. >__<
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Post by: Aurora Borealis on July 01, 2008, 01:30:07 pm
Quote from: "C-Chan"Umm,... sorry people for the interruption but,... forgive me, but I might have sinned. ^^;

A friend of mine had an old laptop (that he apparently got from someone else) that he hadn't used n a year and was interested in getting Linux on it.  So I agreed and happily waited until I got the beleaguered laptop in question.....

....

Although it wasn't a PC....

...but an iBook G3 PowerPC with OSX Jaguar on it and barely enough RAM to get it operating properly.  I talked a bit with him, but he had assured me that the Apple store wasn't very helpful regarding a RAM upgrade (as it was too old), and he wasn't interested in any of the apps (and paying for them at that).  

Soooooooooooooo,........

....

On Debian PPC went.....

Can confirm that it's definitely not as out-of-the-box as an x86 installation, but I was able to tinker up a perfectly working state using the Lenny branch (minus a small problem with Suspend, that I still have to patch).  Suffice to say, KDE Debian really makes this PPC purr so beautifully. ^___^

But I still can't help but feel dirty,... maybe I've grown so used to having Macs reside in Macs.

If you need me, I'll be in the closet.... moping.  -.-

But before I leave...

Good luck, Nejin-san, and good for you Bella-sama. ^^

*pulls door shut*


No, you didn't sin. Porting other OSes to Macs is more common than you think. There are several reporters of older Macs (even including vintage ones!) running A/UX, NetBSD and Debian. And of course there is Yellow Dog Linux, a distro originally designed for PPC Mac hardware!

And if installing another OS greatly improved that iBook's performance, I think you did the right thing.
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Post by: C-Chan on July 01, 2008, 04:29:12 pm
*creeks open closet door*

*pokes head out timidly*

*twitches ears and sniffles snout*

[quietly]  Really.... ? ''

....

Well I guess if a Mac user is okay with that, I should be in the clear then.  I'm glad!  ^__^

*hops happily out of the closet*

In fairness, it's still not 100% functional.  I still can't figure out how to work pbbuttonsd, which is supposed to help get the Apple keyboard's Special Keys to work.  Without it, my friend won't be able to open the CD drive (at least not without carrying a paperclip with him).  ^.^;

Once that and a few other knick-knacks are in order, then all should be gravy.  ^__^
I do with there were a Mandriva/PCLOS version for PPC, though,... I guess I've been spoiled too much by their respective Control Centers.  ^.^

Quoteandere/unbekannt means others/unknown. I like how this club has a solid majority against Vista


Wow, now that's not a market breakout I see every day.  @v@
The browser stats are also pretty impressive as well -- Firefox is literally sweeping the floor with them.  Is this a local or national trend?

QuoteOh lawd after gazing over this, I thought this was going to be a tale about you picking up a Mac on the cheap XD


I swear I'm gonna have to use that Bostonian term going forward.  ^___^
Oh lawd, oh LAWD!!  ^V^

QuoteOkay, I think this makes you a Linux evangelist. I mean, c'mon, you converted a Mac!


Suppose it can't be helped much at this point.  ^^;
I'll have to learn BSD now to help offer some balance.  ^__^;

QuoteSpeaking of which, I'm a bit dismayed cause of this whole XP thing. It's official, I'm not buying startup disks. I can't even get funding to buy them.


If you think that's dismaying, wait'll you hear about this ODDBALL maneuver....  ^^;

http://www.itwire.com/content/view/19154/53/

QuoteHis reply: "Why? My next computer will probably be running OS X or Linux."


@.@

I heard that last part right?  Have our OSC antics somehow diffused themselves into your family life?  Or has stuff like the EeePC and gPC and my beloved Shuttle KPC helped?  ^___^

http://www.zareason.com/shop/product.php?productid=16176&cat=0&page=1

QuoteChances are, this is going to be his computer when it's not being used. I can't say whether or not I see him getting along with it, as he, y'know, has problems working with XP (he can use it pretty well, though). And XP, as we know, is one of the most usable OSes ever.


Hmmm,... I think I see what you mean,... although rest assured that the branding behind Macs are very ingenius,.... I mean certainly for that price-point, one BETTER like it or else.  ^___^;

But nah, having used it myself, I think it'll invite your pop to explore system usage a lot more, if anything for the sheer beauty of watching files flip around like jukebox selections.  Plus a lot of the software that was once Windows-only works on OSX -- Photoshop and MS Office, for instance, and of course Inkscape and OpenOffice.  Anything that's left behind can be handled through Virtualbox or at worse BootCamp.

Word from the wise, though,... get a three button mouse PRONTO.  ^^;

Linux is a similar story but in reverse, as the inexpensiveness of the system just makes them comforting and charming to use.  I gifted a Shuttle KPC to a friend who recently got married -- and once I helped her set up Virtualbox and install proprietary codecs and teach her how to download more software, she's absolutely loving it.  It's literally a system that she can use with full peace of mind, without thinking too much about security risks or money expenditure.

Plus small DE's with "Easy Mode" interfaces are starting to get very popular -- I'm looking forward to how Linpus Lite on the Acer Aspire One implements its own "point and click" solution.  It's SO jaw-droppingly simple and user-friendly, it drew a control freak like me nuts.  ^v^;

But wait, I'm preaching to the choir no?  ^^;

QuoteTo which his reply came: "Oh, if I want it to run XP, I could always barrow a installation disk from a friend."

Me: "Okay, I think what you're talking about is illegal. Not to mention you'd have to crack the activation code or whatever the hell, I have no idea how any of that works."

I better stop recounting this story; the conversation from here took on a rather seedy side about piracy, and so on and so forth.  

Bottom line of this tale: M$ is screwing the consumer over. A lot. >__<


Well the sad truth of it is that M$, despite what it says, loves,adores and lovingly nuzzles piracy. Not only is it a very effective form of advertisement, and also puts the price-point on parity with FOSS platforms and software, but it also provides potential leverage for litigation later on.  Not unlike what happened to Ernie Ball Strings a couple of years ago:

http://news.cnet.com/2008-1082_3-5065859.html

So yes, they are doing a disservice to consumers, but it does strike me as interesting that your pop is adamant about trying out these new systems, and that's a good mindset I think.  It may be hard, but you CAN get used to anything new if you apply your mind to it -- not unlike how I got used to using that crappy version of OpenSUSE that very nearly scared me away from Linux (before Xubuntu saved the day).  It's not unlike Sterling Ball from that article -- who was resolute in purging the company of any M$ products, even if it meant forcing his employees to use abacuses.  

So if he's that self-motivated (and believe me, I know people who give up just trying to learn the name properly!), I think there will be nothing to fear.  Both Mac and Linux offer virtualization solutions anyway (I'd mention Wine, but better hold off on that for a while) -- unless he's used to it from seeing you and your laptop, I think he'll be impressed by how little he has to sacrifice in the end, and how much he has to gain by exploring alternatives.  Case in point, I wasn't much different from your Pop I think -- once upon a time, I exposed the virtues of Windows (and its games) over everything else, and jeered at the antiquated Old World Macs (as well as the fruity New World ones) to the point of savagery.  Thanks to the experience of the past couple of years, I feel I've changed for the better since I'm no longer as closed and bellicose as I once was in this regard.

Do keep me posted.  When the day comes, always remember that I/we offer free technical support here 24/7.  ^____^

QuoteThere are several reporters of older Macs (even including vintage ones!) running A/UX, NetBSD and Debian. And of course there is Yellow Dog Linux, a distro originally designed for PPC Mac hardware!


Ah yes, I've heard that even the old PowerPCs are capable of better upscaling than x86 machines -- when equipped with the right equipment and RAM, they actually make incredibly valuable (and incredibly cost-efficient) servers.  ^^

And now then,... for the major news of the day,....

....

A little poetic justice,... albeit at the frightening cost of bidding farewell to Lin-chan and Free-chan.  Eeep..... @___@;

http://practical-tech.com/operating-system/surprise-desktop-linux-move-xandros-buys-linspire/
http://www.osnews.com/comments/19942
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Post by: NejinOniwa on July 01, 2008, 04:56:33 pm
QuoteTo which his reply came: "Oh, if I want it to run XP, I could always barrow a installation disk from a friend."

Me: "Okay, I think what you're talking about is illegal. Not to mention you'd have to crack the activation code or whatever the hell, I have no idea how any of that works."

Actually cracking XP is simple as hell, especially the corporate versions. Besides, with a setup like that, you can just use the same code as his friend used I BETTER STOP TALKING ABOUT THINGS LIKE THIS NOW OR I'LL BET THE B&! AGAIN, I RECKON


The fact that the cracking and installed pirated XP versions on comps are pretty everyday work for me should be a bit disturbing...but it's not >_>

Quote
If you think that's dismaying, wait'll you hear about this ODDBALL maneuver.... ^^;

http://www.itwire.com/content/view/19154/53/

OH! EXPLOITABLE!!!
You just gotta LOVE these guys who screw around with M$. =w=

QuoteWell the sad truth of it is that M$, despite what it says, loves,adores and lovingly nuzzles piracy. Not only is it a very effective form of advertisement, and also puts the price-point on parity with FOSS platforms and software, but it also provides potential leverage for litigation later on. Not unlike what happened to Ernie Ball Strings a couple of years ago:

http://news.cnet.com/2008-1082_3-5065859.html

This should be spread. Seriously. Someone has to set up a spam server just to mail out newsletters on opensource to random people. I think that's a great idea, actually.
Actually, I might just go away and do that myself. Right now. Or something.
*trots off*
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Post by: C-Chan on July 02, 2008, 11:40:37 am
*sweatdrops*

Fufufu,... I, uh,... not sure if I want FOSS stuff featured alongside free viagra.  :P
Let's just get more of them to appear in Google Ads instead.  ^^;

Or how about just getting more Freedom Toasters spread around the world:

http://www.freedomtoaster.org/
http://features.csmonitor.com/innovation/2008/06/17/bridging-the-african-digital-divide-%E2%80%93-with-a-%E2%80%98toaster%E2%80%99/

Yeah, now that's MY kind of vending machine.  :P

In other news, here's an article to compliment a recent "Topicless" discussion:

http://www.computerworlduk.com/community/blogs/index.cfm?entryid=985

And yes, DR-DOS-chan does get an honorable mention -- and good thing too.  A BBC article I read last week incorrectly attributed the creation of MS-DOS to,... shall we say,... the wrong person.....  :P
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Post by: Bella on July 02, 2008, 04:52:39 pm
QuoteI swear I'm gonna have to use that Bostonian term going forward. ^___^
Oh lawd, oh LAWD!! ^V^


Like I've always said, Bostonian is the most elegant of the English-disfiguring accents.

QuoteIf you think that's dismaying, wait'll you hear about this ODDBALL maneuver.... ^^;

http://www.itwire.com/content/view/19154/53/


Oh hell's bells....they're packaging XP with Vista?! That's like being forced to buy a slab of roadkill when all you want in the fine cut of steak [worse metaphor ever\]

Quote@.@

I heard that last part right? Have our OSC antics somehow diffused themselves into your family life? Or has stuff like the EeePC and gPC and my beloved Shuttle KPC helped? ^___^

http://www.zareason.com/shop/product.php?productid=16176&cat=0&page=1


I think my constant Vista bashing is kinda making its way into my family life XD

QuoteHmmm,... I think I see what you mean,... although rest assured that the branding behind Macs are very ingenius,.... I mean certainly for that price-point, one BETTER like it or else. ^___^;

But nah, having used it myself, I think it'll invite your pop to explore system usage a lot more, if anything for the sheer beauty of watching files flip around like jukebox selections. Plus a lot of the software that was once Windows-only works on OSX -- Photoshop and MS Office, for instance, and of course Inkscape and OpenOffice. Anything that's left behind can be handled through Virtualbox or at worse BootCamp.

Word from the wise, though,... get a three button mouse PRONTO. ^^;


I always assumed Photoshop was developed for Mac and ported to Windows, actually...

QuoteLinux is a similar story but in reverse, as the inexpensiveness of the system just makes them comforting and charming to use. I gifted a Shuttle KPC to a friend who recently got married -- and once I helped her set up Virtualbox and install proprietary codecs and teach her how to download more software, she's absolutely loving it. It's literally a system that she can use with full peace of mind, without thinking too much about security risks or money expenditure.

Plus small DE's with "Easy Mode" interfaces are starting to get very popular -- I'm looking forward to how Linpus Lite on the Acer Aspire One implements its own "point and click" solution. It's SO jaw-droppingly simple and user-friendly, it drew a control freak like me nuts. ^v^;

But wait, I'm preaching to the choir no? ^^;


Easy mode!? They're doing everything to get noobs to run Linux, huh ;)


QuoteWell the sad truth of it is that M$, despite what it says, loves,adores and lovingly nuzzles piracy. Not only is it a very effective form of advertisement, and also puts the price-point on parity with FOSS platforms and software, but it also provides potential leverage for litigation later on. Not unlike what happened to Ernie Ball Strings a couple of years ago:

http://news.cnet.com/2008-1082_3-5065859.html

So yes, they are doing a disservice to consumers, but it does strike me as interesting that your pop is adamant about trying out these new systems, and that's a good mindset I think. It may be hard, but you CAN get used to anything new if you apply your mind to it -- not unlike how I got used to using that crappy version of OpenSUSE that very nearly scared me away from Linux (before Xubuntu saved the day). It's not unlike Sterling Ball from that article -- who was resolute in purging the company of any M$ products, even if it meant forcing his employees to use abacuses.


Haha, you know what I say, "abacuses before Vista" XD

QuoteSo if he's that self-motivated (and believe me, I know people who give up just trying to learn the name properly!), I think there will be nothing to fear. Both Mac and Linux offer virtualization solutions anyway (I'd mention Wine, but better hold off on that for a while) -- unless he's used to it from seeing you and your laptop, I think he'll be impressed by how little he has to sacrifice in the end, and how much he has to gain by exploring alternatives. Case in point, I wasn't much different from your Pop I think -- once upon a time, I exposed the virtues of Windows (and its games) over everything else, and jeered at the antiquated Old World Macs (as well as the fruity New World ones) to the point of savagery. Thanks to the experience of the past couple of years, I feel I've changed for the better since I'm no longer as closed and bellicose as I once was in this regard.

Do keep me posted. When the day comes, always remember that I/we offer free technical support here 24/7. ^____^


Yeah, on one hand I can see where he'd probably get along well with Linux, as he does no gaming, and just uses computers to write and web surf and stuff. The reason he's leaning toward a Mac, however, is it has to be able to run Photoshop; it's going to be used for a lot of photo editing and stuff. The price he's not too concerned about, it'll probably be a Mac Mini.

QuoteA little poetic justice,... albeit at the frightening cost of bidding farewell to Lin-chan and Free-chan. Eeep..... @___@;

http://practical-tech.com/operating-system/surprise-desktop-linux-move-xandros-buys-linspire/
http://www.osnews.com/comments/19942


Ah Lin-chan and Free-chan we knew thee well...even the XP dopplegangers are being knocked off T__T

QuoteActually cracking XP is simple as hell, especially the corporate versions. Besides, with a setup like that, you can just use the same code as his friend used I BETTER STOP TALKING ABOUT THINGS LIKE THIS NOW OR I'LL BET THE B&! AGAIN, I RECKON


Good thinking, there O_________O

QuoteOr how about just getting more Freedom Toasters spread around the world:

http://www.freedomtoaster.org/
http://features.csmonitor.com/innovation/2008/06/17/bridging-the-african-digital-divide-%E2%80%93-with-a-%E2%80%98toaster%E2%80%99/

Yeah, now that's MY kind of vending machine. :P


OMG I thought this was gonna be about BSD toasters XD

QuoteIn other news, here's an article to compliment a recent "Topicless" discussion:

http://www.computerworlduk.com/community/blogs/index.cfm?entryid=985

And yes, DR-DOS-chan does get an honorable mention -- and good thing too. A BBC article I read last week incorrectly attributed the creation of MS-DOS to,... shall we say,... the wrong person..... :P


A more fitting farewell I have yet to witness...they make M$ look like the Exxon Valdez of software companies XD
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Post by: Aurora Borealis on July 02, 2008, 05:21:42 pm
Quote from: "Bella"
Oh hell's bells....they're packaging XP with Vista?! That's like being forced to buy a slab of roadkill when all you want in the fine cut of steak [worse metaphor ever\]

I thought that was a pretty good metaphor! ;010

Quote
I always assumed Photoshop was developed for Mac and ported to Windows, actually...

That is correct- Photoshop was originally made for the Mac!

Photoshop 1.0 was released in 1990 and was Mac only until version 2.5 which introduced support for Windows, IRIX and Solaris.


Quote
QuoteA little poetic justice,... albeit at the frightening cost of bidding farewell to Lin-chan and Free-chan. Eeep..... @___@;

http://practical-tech.com/operating-system/surprise-desktop-linux-move-xandros-buys-linspire/
http://www.osnews.com/comments/19942


Ah Lin-chan and Free-chan we knew thee well...even the XP dopplegangers are being knocked off T__T

Uh oh... What would that mean for Lin-chan and Free-chan in the OS-tan storyline?


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OMG I thought this was gonna be about BSD toasters XD

Same here ^^;
Title: MEWXPZLFUDAWV Club!
Post by: C-Chan on July 02, 2008, 05:52:21 pm
QuoteOh hell's bells....they're packaging XP with Vista?! That's like being forced to buy a slab of roadkill when all you want in the fine cut of steak [worse metaphor ever\]


Worse than being "happy as a pig in a poke"?

Cause believe me,.. being inside a poke ain't fun.  I know.  @@;

QuoteI always assumed Photoshop was developed for Mac and ported to Windows, actually...


QuoteThat is correct- Photoshop was originally made for the Mac!

Photoshop 1.0 was released in 1990 and was Mac only until version 2.5 which introduced support for Windows, IRIX and Solaris.


Sorry, I stand corrected on Photoshop.  ^^
Or rather,... well at least initially.  I imagine the Mac version took a back seat in the late 90's until perhaps only recently.

QuoteUh oh... What would that mean for Lin-chan and Free-chan in the OS-tan storyline?


Xandros-tan came and,... SHRUNK THEM AND SWALLOWED THEM WHOLE!!  MWAHAHAHA!!!  >v<

Nah but seriously, it's more likely that Lin-chan and Free-chan would be servants/maids to Xandros-tan going forward.  Not that it's much of a mansion they'd be working in anyway,... I mean it's basically one small-fry company buying off another one.  The fact that Xandros does make some money from the EeePC hasn't necessarily translated into booming market success, in part because neither Xandros nor Linspire have put much effort into developing better products.  It's gotten worse since after the M$ patent protection racket -- it's almost as if they just expected users to come flocking to their "patent havens", good user experience be damned.

It's a mess for sure,... but if anyone deserves the bad publicity, it's those two.  I feel sorry for poor Free-chan, though -- she just had to be dragged into this.  -__-

In other news, just in case anyone has ever wanted to see a Trend Micro cameo, here it is,... not exactly in the best light for him, but a good light for us possibly.  ^^

http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20080702120816358
Title: MEWXPZLFUDAWV Club!
Post by: Bella on August 08, 2008, 11:28:18 pm
Hey guess what...

I introduced Linux to another heathen Windows 98 machine!

Remember that relative's computer I mentioned, rotting in the corner of the basement? I asked my grandfather if I could try working on it a bit; he agreed. Well, I had hardly been at the house for an afternoon when I decided to try fixing it up. It was in several pieces--I had to scavenge up a mouse and keyboard to connect to it, as its current mouse and keyboard were broken.

Upon booting up, I found that I needed a password to login. The password had been lost and forgotten--I guessed the password, and voila! I logged in. After getting it up and running, I found Windows 98 "Plus Edition" to be running rather laggy.

I get the genius idea to try running Puppy Linux on it. After all, it had been quite a funky adventure trying to get my own Win 98 computer to run Linux, so this seemed like a fun challenge. What do I find but...oh no, the CDR tray won't open! Not wanting to admit defeat, I found a few pieces of stiff wire, and stuck them in the manual open hole on the CDR drive; it gave me a fight, but I finally got it opened and popped in the CDR with Puppy Linux on it. I rebooted, found the BIOS settings (unlike my 98 comp., it had full BIOS settings), set drive D: as the primary boot drive, and...ta da! it booted into Puppy!

Why did it take weeks to get my computer to run a live CD, yet minutes for this machine...? O__o

I showed Puppy to my grandfather, and explained how the live CD worked and about Linux--complete with a brief history of it and its heritage, going back to Unix and Multics and CTSS (OSes with a nearly 50-year history gain some respect). He was pretty impressed, I think.

So this is my second Windows 98/Linux introduction. If I get three more 98 machines running Linux, do I become some sort of Ace...? XD

In other news...a friend of mine revealed a shocking realization to me today...that has is unhappy with *gasp* Windows Vista, and he wishes he had XP back! OMG! Stop the presses! Hey, admittance is the first step to getting help, right...?
Title: MEWXPZLFUDAWV Club!
Post by: C-Chan on August 09, 2008, 02:48:57 am
These puppies thank you for your hard work!  ^-^

(http://www.tanmonkey.com/fun/puppies/puppies-in-a-wagon.jpg)

Funny how much easier it was to set Puppy-chan on this machine rather than on your old Compaq -- I'm sure it's due in part to the hardware, but I'm also convinced it has to do with your enhanced Sk1llzr.  ^.^

You probably weren't around when I reported success refurbishing a similar old Compaq -- although for that one, I used MacPup instead of vanilla Puppy (basically it's Puppy Linux 4.0 designed to look and act like Mac OSX).  ^^'

Also, keep an eye out for Grant_P's future fanfic, as he seems to be branching out from solely Ubuntu-sama fandom, to Puppy-chan praise.  ^^

And an Ace?  You?  Don't aim so low, my dear.  You're gonna make Air Chief Marshal at this rate!  ^.^
Title: MEWXPZLFUDAWV Club!
Post by: Bella on August 20, 2008, 01:05:08 am
Cute puppies! ^__^
*gets big bag*
*steals puppies*
Tehehehehe...

QuoteYou probably weren't around when I reported success refurbishing a similar old Compaq -- although for that one, I used MacPup instead of vanilla Puppy (basically it's Puppy Linux 4.0 designed to look and act like Mac OSX). ^^'


Whaaaaaaa? MacPup? Why hadn't I head of its existance until I looked at Grant_P's thread :V

QuoteAlso, keep an eye out for Grant_P's future fanfic, as he seems to be branching out from solely Ubuntu-sama fandom, to Puppy-chan praise. ^^


Yay! I just read his newest fanfics today! I just love them, he's such a good writer :D

QuoteAnd an Ace? You? Don't aim so low, my dear. You're gonna make Air Chief Marshal at this rate! ^.^


This from the dude who has half his neighborhood using Linux...or so it would seem? :P

Anyhow...

In Mac Relations news...
My father presents....
The Classic Jedi Mind-Trick:
"Hey, when I get my Mac are you gonna become a Mac Evangelist?"

(It's going to be a business computer, mainly, so I'll probably be one of its operators)

To which I reply: "Are you?"

Oh lawd. The sum of all our fears have been realized: Pops is gonna be an uber-zealot @_____@

In Windows news, another friend is having Vista problems. He installed a new wireless card and...gasp...lo and behold, his new printer stopped working! I mean, is that your best, Vista? Screwing up a printer? C'mon, that's a cliche already!

My XP machine is still relentlessly trying to avoid running Firefox and Kantairs, even after a a system restore back FOUR MONTHS. Uber-zealot Pops is ardent that (and I quote) "Evil M$" is behind it. OMG.

In slightly less game-like than Photoshop news, I've been a bit bored. So what's better for boredom than...huh? Playing around with a command line interface?! It started when a paper I was reading on Plan 9 (now I'm strangly curious about Plan 9, but can't justify any good reason to try it out). They were talking about how most Unix systems have a lot of baggage attached. Like baggage from some time in the 1960s. It turns outs that the CLI on most *nix systems is set up the same as it was back in the 60s when they still used teletype machines. "Go to an xterminal and type in "stty" and answer why it shows the baud rate" I think was their exact wording. I took this as a challenge. So I start up Ubuntu, go to the terminal, and type in "stty". Hey! It shows the baud rate! wtf?

After that I decided to play around with the command prompt on Windows. Hey, typing "help" gives you help! I never knew that.

Aside from VMS filenames (wft?!), I still don't grasp the concept of syntax, though. >__<
Title: MEWXPZLFUDAWV Club!
Post by: C-Chan on August 22, 2008, 01:57:53 am
YO BELLA-HIME!!!!  ^V^

*squeals with joy*

Happy to see you back!  (you still on your road trip?)  ^__'

Sorry I haven't shown up to receive you -- I've been both a little sick, and a little overjoyed with the Acer Aspire One.  Absolutely LOVE it to bits.  ^.^

Only have enough time right now to reply here, but I'll return to answer that whicheth occupyith most of the Art Threadeth.  ^___________^;

[and your PM]  ^.~

QuoteCute puppies! ^__^
*gets big bag*
*steals puppies*
Tehehehehe...


Divine retribution... ^^;

(http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y251/Asylum_200something/Phoenix%20Songs%20Pictures/FUNNY3.jpg)

QuoteWhaaaaaaa? MacPup? Why hadn't I head of its existance until I looked at Grant_P's thread :V


Well it's easy to overlook all the Puplets (cute fancy term for Puppy Linux Remasters), since we're so used to installing the official versions of systems.  ^^'
Some of them are very nice, and definitely save you a lot of work if they add in many of the things you plan to add yourself (e.g,, Inkscape, support for Compiz Fusion, XFCE, etc)

QuoteYay! I just read his newest fanfics today! I just love them, he's such a good writer  


Yep!  Although again, I owe him some comments.  Geez, I'm way behind.  T__T;

QuoteThis from the dude who has half his neighborhood using Linux...or so it would seem? :P


Well with the Aspire One, I'm making inroads at least.  ^.^

QuoteMy father presents....
The Classic Jedi Mind-Trick:
"Hey, when I get my Mac are you gonna become a Mac Evangelist?"

(It's going to be a business computer, mainly, so I'll probably be one of its operators)

To which I reply: "Are you?"

Oh lawd. The sum of all our fears have been realized: Pops is gonna be an uber-zealot @_____@


Wow,... how the world doth change compared to when I first met you (and you divulged the secret of your family's adoration for Windows and loathing for all things,... fruity).  Fortunately, Mac Evangelists are a relatively well-behaved bunch (albeit a little lazy and... gulp... spend-crazy).  ^^;

QuoteIn Windows news, another friend is having Vista problems. He installed a new wireless card and...gasp...lo and behold, his new printer stopped working! I mean, is that your best, Vista? Screwing up a printer? C'mon, that's a cliche already!


In other news, the sun rose in the east this morning and bears crapped in the woods.  ^.^;
Actually, XP sales are doing quite well with netbooks (e.g., EeePC and AAO), but they're not blowing away the Linux versions by a 50 to 1 margin like was originally expected (more like 1.5 to 1).  Plus the continued sale of XP is eating away at Vista market share, AND they still have to subsidize Windows XP (and the extra hardware needed to run it) for Asus, MSI, Acer, etc to prevent their versions from being significantly more expensive than the Linux versions.  

Kinda puts this story into perspective.....  ^.^'

http://www.networkworld.com/news/2008/082008-ms-novel.html?t51hb

QuoteMy XP machine is still relentlessly trying to avoid running Firefox and Kantairs, even after a a system restore back FOUR MONTHS. Uber-zealot Pops is ardent that (and I quote) "Evil M$" is behind it. OMG.


Wow!  He's an uber zealot and he still doesn't have a Mac yet....  ^_____^;

You said the problem might be due to .Net update, right?

Have you tried regressing that specifically?  Or at worst, running firefox from XP's fake DOS prompt?  (Go to Start>Run, then type in cmd, then type in firefox or something like that in the prompt, and see what error messages you get)

Worse comes to worse, you can always get acquainted with Opera.  ^.^

I kinda/sorta/maybe agree with your Pop.  There's a lot to gain (profit-wise) in driving people away from XP.

QuoteIn slightly less game-like than Photoshop news, I've been a bit bored. So what's better for boredom than...huh? Playing around with a command line interface?! It started when a paper I was reading on Plan 9 (now I'm strangly curious about Plan 9, but can't justify any good reason to try it out). They were talking about how most Unix systems have a lot of baggage attached. Like baggage from some time in the 1960s. It turns outs that the CLI on most *nix systems is set up the same as it was back in the 60s when they still used teletype machines. "Go to an xterminal and type in "stty" and answer why it shows the baud rate" I think was their exact wording. I took this as a challenge. So I start up Ubuntu, go to the terminal, and type in "stty". Hey! It shows the baud rate! wtf?


Fufu!  Indeed, there's an awful lot of history behind Terminal usage (either in Linux or in OSX).  A lot of commands such as "ls" (used to list a directory) or "df" (used to indicate file sizes) or the ubiquitous "cd" (used to change directories) were conceived in an era when even monitors may not have necessarily been present!  If you wonder how that's possible, think of how certain print calculators can still perform advanced functions just by specific keycode combinations.  Either way, making the "ls" command become "list-directory" in such an environment would just increase the error rate ten-fold, and would've drove users to Multics-sama in a heartbeat.  ^.^;

QuoteAfter that I decided to play around with the command prompt on Windows. Hey, typing "help" gives you help! I never knew that.

Aside from VMS filenames (wft?!), I still don't grasp the concept of syntax, though. >__<


Yep -- that fake DOS prompt is fairly easy to navigate if you're used to using a BASH shell actually.  Though some things are very different, other commands are identical (e.g., "cd", "dir", "help").

If you want to explore CLIs further, though, the command prompt is not the best place to start -- as it's not real MS-DOS, it caps your potential quite a bit.

In order to witness just how powerful a CLI can be, switch back to Ubuntu and follow this fun and interactive tutorial:

http://gd.tuwien.ac.at/linuxcommand.org/

This guide is what I used to learn how to use the terminal AND write shell scripts, and I've been happier ever since.  Knowing how to navigate and thrive in a shell environment eliminates the fear of watching your system not boot into X.  ^-^

(BTW, the guide also shows you how to install Cygwin -- or BASH for Windows -- but I wouldn't mess with that yet.  Last thing I want to be responsible for is the accidental borking of K8's system.  ^^; )

Added after 7 hours 33 minutes:

Oh, and another geek-inspired article to brighten one's day.  ^.^

http://www.besttechie.net/forums/Linux-Humor-t14545.html
Title: MEWXPZLFUDAWV Club!
Post by: Bella on August 23, 2008, 01:46:13 pm
QuoteYO BELLA-HIME!!!! ^V^

*squeals with joy*

Happy to see you back! (you still on your road trip?) ^__'

Sorry I haven't shown up to receive you -- I've been both a little sick, and a little overjoyed with the Acer Aspire One. Absolutely LOVE it to bits. ^.^

Only have enough time right now to reply here, but I'll return to answer that whicheth occupyith most of the Art Threadeth. ^___________^;

[and your PM] ^.~


Sick, huh? I know the feeling X__x

But I'm glad you finally got your Aspire One. :D

QuoteDivine retribution... ^^;


OMG...that looks just like one of my Babies...when she was a puppy (I've had her coming up on 11 years).

QuoteWell it's easy to overlook all the Puplets (cute fancy term for Puppy Linux Remasters), since we're so used to installing the official versions of systems. ^^'
Some of them are very nice, and definitely save you a lot of work if they add in many of the things you plan to add yourself (e.g,, Inkscape, support for Compiz Fusion, XFCE, etc)


XFCE!? Why had I never heard of Puppy with XFCE! :V


QuoteWow,... how the world doth change compared to when I first met you (and you divulged the secret of your family's adoration for Windows and loathing for all things,... fruity). Fortunately, Mac Evangelists are a relatively well-behaved bunch (albeit a little lazy and... gulp... spend-crazy). ^^;


He maintains now that he never was a Windows zealot, but a "what works" zealot (Sounds like a Mac Evangelist to me). Since XP worked (and still does) for him, he likes XP, but he doesn't feel the way about...let's say newer Windowses  O__o

Oh--yeah--I came up with a limerick yesterday--
There once was an OS called Vista;
It made many new users wistful;
It crashed and it freezed, had none of XP's ease,
Now the consumers are pissed off.

XD

QuoteKinda puts this story into perspective..... ^.^'

http://www.networkworld.com/news/2008/082008-ms-novel.html?t51hb


Oh lawd... >__<

QuoteWow! He's an uber zealot and he still doesn't have a Mac yet.... ^_____^;

You said the problem might be due to .Net update, right?

Have you tried regressing that specifically? Or at worst, running firefox from XP's fake DOS prompt? (Go to Start>Run, then type in cmd, then type in firefox or something like that in the prompt, and see what error messages you get)

Worse comes to worse, you can always get acquainted with Opera. ^.^

I kinda/sorta/maybe agree with your Pop. There's a lot to gain (profit-wise) in driving people away from XP.


IT IS a problem with .NET Framework. While it was mostly a hunch based on scant evidence, I now have proof.
So I go to uninstall .NET framework 2.0. It gives me the option to repair or uninstall. I try repairing. Well, what should come up but this intriguing little message:
(http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s320/BellasOS-tans/damnyounet1.png)

And shotly after:
(http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s320/BellasOS-tans/untitled5-1.png)

Same dialogue comes up when I try to uninstall it. So I went to the MS site and downloaded .NET framwork 3.5, thinking maybe this would get rid of the problem. After a lenghthy download I think...finally...I've gotten it to work; but no, near the end of installation theis same dialogue comes up.
Firefox won't start at all, when I try to run it nothing happens. When I try to run Kantaris, this comes up:

(http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s320/BellasOS-tans/untitled6-2.png)

And .NET doesn't work, I can't uninstall it, I can't repair it, I can't reinstall it or install a new version. I know Firefox and Kantaris are dependent upon .NET framwork. My other computer can run Firefox and has .NET framwork 1.1 installed, yet it cannot run Kantaris because it doesn't have 2.0 installed. This proves two  very important things: that K8 has had .NET 2.0 installed for some time, because it has always been able to run Kantaris; and that .NET 1.1 can run Firefox fine.  
Now, the fact that .NET seems so screwed up, along with the fact that no form of non-destructive system restore can repair it, makes me think the chain of dependancies may go deeper; what could .NET be dependant on?

QuoteYep -- that fake DOS prompt is fairly easy to navigate if you're used to using a BASH shell actually. Though some things are very different, other commands are identical (e.g., "cd", "dir", "help").

If you want to explore CLIs further, though, the command prompt is not the best place to start -- as it's not real MS-DOS, it caps your potential quite a bit.

In order to witness just how powerful a CLI can be, switch back to Ubuntu and follow this fun and interactive tutorial:

http://gd.tuwien.ac.at/linuxcommand.org/

This guide is what I used to learn how to use the terminal AND write shell scripts, and I've been happier ever since. Knowing how to navigate and thrive in a shell environment eliminates the fear of watching your system not boot into X. ^-^

(BTW, the guide also shows you how to install Cygwin -- or BASH for Windows -- but I wouldn't mess with that yet. Last thing I want to be responsible for is the accidental borking of K8's system. ^^; )


Ooh, I'll have to check that out. That looks pretty interesting!
(And no worries, I'm not going to do anything that could bork K8. She's borked enough as is @__@)

QuoteOh, and another geek-inspired article to brighten one's day. ^.^

http://www.besttechie.net/forums/Linux-Humor-t14545.html


Haha! That's brilliant! It makes me wanna make some motivational posters :P

Some...news-ish stories I found intersting:

http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5gIiC0f4ECVVPCVVRQexjLv6ldVtwD92N0MQ01

http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?command=viewArticleBasic&taxonomyName=linux_and_unix&articleId=69761&taxonomyId=122&intsrc=kc_feat
Title: MEWXPZLFUDAWV Club!
Post by: C-Chan on August 23, 2008, 10:14:44 pm
Yeah!  I'm back in full force, ready to type up some REAL replies!  Gloves are coming off, no matter what!  ^__^

*starts typing furiously*

Added after 57 minutes:

Yeah!  I'm back in full force, ready to type up some REAL replies!  Gloves are coming off, no matter what!  ^__^

*starts typing furiously*

QuoteXFCE!? Why had I never heard of Puppy with XFCE! :V


Oh my, oh my, you've got some more Puppy reading to do.  ^__^
There's Puppy with Enlightenment, Gnome, KDE, LXDE,... she can be customized in so many different ways, up to the point where you lose the whole speed bonus of the distro.  ^.^

QuoteHe maintains now that he never was a Windows zealot, but a "what works" zealot (Sounds like a Mac Evangelist to me). Since XP worked (and still does) for him, he likes XP, but he doesn't feel the way about...let's say newer Windowses O__o


I fear that when he starts using Parallels on his soon-to-be-Mac, he's gonna become even MORE "zealotized".  Parallels offers the best virtualization solution for XP in my opinion (though admittedly, I've never used VMWare Fusion).  ^____^

Equipped with Parallels,  "just works" Mac can come equipped with a "just works" Windows XP and he'll be able to run whatever he can't substitute on a Mac (the list of which is shrinking as time goes on).  ^__~

QuoteOh--yeah--I came up with a limerick yesterday--
There once was an OS called Vista;
It made many new users wistful;
It crashed and it freezed, had none of XP's ease,
Now the consumers are pissed off.


Fufu... have a hard time matching a particular rhyme pair,... but otherwise a classic!  BWAHAHAHA!!  ^V^

QuoteIT IS a problem with .NET Framework. While it was mostly a hunch based on scant evidence, I now have proof.
So I go to uninstall .NET framework 2.0. It gives me the option to repair or uninstall. I try repairing. Well, what should come up but this intriguing little message:


Oh LAWD, that does sound like a major mess on your hands. ^^;
I do recall haveing similar problems with .NET in my old VPR Matrix machine.  I forgot what I was upgrading to -- only know that after I did, the whole system slowed to a crawl at bootup,... among other major issues.

Before I could find a solution to the problem, though, the hard drive finally died so the whole system was shot to hell.  And when I got a new hard drive, I made absolutely sure NEVER to upgrade that thing.  ^^;

Hence, I would never know what went wrong with it.  -.-'

Quoteogue comes up when I try to uninstall it. So I went to the MS site and downloaded .NET framwork 3.5, thinking maybe this would get rid of the problem. After a lenghthy download I think...finally...I've gotten it to work; but no, near the end of installation theis same dialogue comes up.
Firefox won't start at all, when I try to run it nothing happens. When I try to run Kantaris, this comes up:


Yep, a real mess.  ^^;

But hey, it ain't all bad....  
You're using the Commodore sisters pic, even though it's not finished.  I should probably finish that tomorrow so you'll have something nicer to post up in K8's desktop.  Thank ye very mucho, Bella-hime!  ^.^

QuoteNow, the fact that .NET seems so screwed up, along with the fact that no form of non-destructive system restore can repair it, makes me think the chain of dependancies may go deeper; what could .NET be dependant on?


Sadly, you seem to not be the only one wondering that....

http://www.ghacks.net/2008/08/01/why-cannot-i-uninstall-the-microsoft-net-framework/

http://forums.techarena.in/windows-update/920892.htm

Sounds like it depends on older versions of itself, apart from other hidden things that are nowhere near as obvious.  Just wondering, but have you tried uninstalling this in Safe Mode?  

Granted, you'll have to jump through a few hurdles just to have the ability to uninstall the majority of programs in Safe Mode:

http://www.nirmaltv.com/2008/02/13/windows-xp-tips-installuninstall-applications-in-safe-mode/

Quote(And no worries, I'm not going to do anything that could bork K8. She's borked enough as is @__@)


That's what I'm afraid of.  ^^;
If you can burn DVDs, now would be a good time to shuttle your files out if you haven't already.  ^.^;

QuoteSome...news-ish stories I found intersting:


Well the second one is six years old, but the first one -- yeah, it was quite the barrel of laughs these past couple of days.  ^____^

Presumably the guys who made the Burger King "King" commercials will also be coordinating this new media campaign.  While I've never seen those commercials, I have heard of their infamous creepy stalking mascot and presumably rather disturbing commercials.  Therefore, i'm having a hard time believing this will be a match made in heaven.  ^^;
Title: MEWXPZLFUDAWV Club!
Post by: Bella on August 24, 2008, 12:50:01 pm
QuoteOh my, oh my, you've got some more Puppy reading to do. ^__^
There's Puppy with Enlightenment, Gnome, KDE, LXDE,... she can be customized in so many different ways, up to the point where you lose the whole speed bonus of the distro. ^.^


Yeah, Puppy got a bit neglected when I started doing virtualiztion on K8 and could run distros like...Ubuntu and Debian :P

QuoteI fear that when he starts using Parallels on his soon-to-be-Mac, he's gonna become even MORE "zealotized". Parallels offers the best virtualization solution for XP in my opinion (though admittedly, I've never used VMWare Fusion). ^____^

Equipped with Parallels, "just works" Mac can come equipped with a "just works" Windows XP and he'll be able to run whatever he can't substitute on a Mac (the list of which is shrinking as time goes on). ^__~


Ack, too bad neither of us have XP installation disks. Oh well, I'm sure it's not like those are a rare commodity.

QuoteFufu... have a hard time matching a particular rhyme pair,... but otherwise a classic! BWAHAHAHA!! ^V^


That would be the wistful/pissed off rhyme, right? ;)

QuoteOh LAWD, that does sound like a major mess on your hands. ^^;
I do recall haveing similar problems with .NET in my old VPR Matrix machine. I forgot what I was upgrading to -- only know that after I did, the whole system slowed to a crawl at bootup,... among other major issues.

Before I could find a solution to the problem, though, the hard drive finally died so the whole system was shot to hell. And when I got a new hard drive, I made absolutely sure NEVER to upgrade that thing. ^^;

Hence, I would never know what went wrong with it. -.-'


Oh wow, are you trying to scare the hell out of me, or is that only a side effect?

Luckily, I figure K8's been updated since sometime in early July, and she's been running just fine. Bootup has always been a bit slow, which is understandable when you have 3/4ths of the HD space used up. Things were a bit laggy starting up this morning, but then again I was having some problems with the active desktop and when that was resolved she's been fine since.

QuoteYep, a real mess. ^^;

But hey, it ain't all bad....
You're using the Commodore sisters pic, even though it's not finished. I should probably finish that tomorrow so you'll have something nicer to post up in K8's desktop. Thank ye very mucho, Bella-hime! ^.^


It's a placeholder until I gets me Unix panel on the ZS comic!!!1!!

QuoteSadly, you seem to not be the only one wondering that....

http://www.ghacks.net/2008/08/01/why-cannot-i-uninstall-the-microsoft-net-framework/

http://forums.techarena.in/windows-update/920892.htm

Sounds like it depends on older versions of itself, apart from other hidden things that are nowhere near as obvious. Just wondering, but have you tried uninstalling this in Safe Mode?

Granted, you'll have to jump through a few hurdles just to have the ability to uninstall the majority of programs in Safe Mode:

http://www.nirmaltv.com/2008/02/13/windows-xp-tips-installuninstall-applications-in-safe-mode/


Umm...you know...safe mode (or at least getting into safe mode) doesn't seem to be so safe. It should be called dangerous mode I think.

We don't want the cure to be more destructive than the ailment...

QuoteThat's what I'm afraid of. ^^;
If you can burn DVDs, now would be a good time to shuttle your files out if you haven't already. ^.^;


*panic levels rising*

DVDs?! What kinda backup-unconscious rustic do ya take me for! Hell, I have a whole redundant HD that I backup on a bi-monthly basis!

'Course I don't even trust my backup very much. It is just a little (500 GB) external HDD that I've had for two years...I probably should have gone for a SDD and payed more money in hindsight... -__-

The irony is, this machine has been in and out of the repair shop more times than I can count on one hand, it's had major repairs done where the odds of me getting my data--or even the same unit--back were against me, yet I've been running this same installation of XP since the day I got it four years ago in September. It's gone through a motherboard, an AC adapter, two sets of hingers, a screen, a keyboard and some screen circuitry; yet the software has always been 100% stable the entire time (okay except for the motherboard incident, that's a different story).

I'm not going to try to reinstall XP now. >__<

QuoteWell the second one is six years old, but the first one -- yeah, it was quite the barrel of laughs these past couple of days. ^____^

Presumably the guys who made the Burger King "King" commercials will also be coordinating this new media campaign. While I've never seen those commercials, I have heard of their infamous creepy stalking mascot and presumably rather disturbing commercials. Therefore, i'm having a hard time believing this will be a match made in heaven. ^^;


*facepalm* What? Google was set on news stories from the past month! Oh well...

I can't believe you've never seen those BK commercials. They were everywhere a while back...and yeah, they were very creepy O__O

But I disagree with you...I think this will be a match made in heaven considering how creepy M$ has become! :D

Added after 3 minutes:

Oh yeah, I nearly forgot to mention--I'm now using Safari as a web browser! I looked into Opera (I always thought it was open source), but I figured if I was going to go with some proprietary browser I might as well go with the one M$ has shown a seething hatred of (spiteful much?)

I have to say it's fast; it seems faster than Firefox and certainly faster than IE. The only thing I'm hating is that shiny Mac interface that doesn't match the rest of XP, and the fact that it takes longer to start up.
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Post by: C-Chan on August 24, 2008, 02:08:43 pm
QuoteAck, too bad neither of us have XP installation disks. Oh well, I'm sure it's not like those are a rare commodity.


Sister, you have NO idea....  XvX
But we needn't say more on the matter,... truth be told, as your Pop sinks deeper and deeper into Macdom, he may never look back.  ^^'

QuoteThat would be the wistful/pissed off rhyme, right?


To take a page from Newspeak,... can't we do "pissful"?  ^-^

QuoteOh wow, are you trying to scare the hell out of me, or is that only a side effect?


Well I don't think I'll go as far as to say the .Net fiasco wrecked my hard drive.  It was already +4 years old at the time running nothing but XP, so in a way it had it coming.  ^^;

Did want to stress the point, however, is that I couldn't physically remove .net easily because we commoners just aren't meant to know how to do that.  ^___^;

QuoteIt's a placeholder until I gets me Unix panel on the ZS comic!!!1!!


Um,... you do realize that the quality fo the Unix panel is gonna be WOEFULLy inferior to that of the commodore sisters.... ^^;

Quote
Umm...you know...safe mode (or at least getting into safe mode) doesn't seem to be so safe. It should be called dangerous mode I think.

We don't want the cure to be more destructive than the ailment...


Nah, Safe Mode isn't that bad,... My gripe with it is that it rarely works as it should.  I've had instances where viruses load in it regardless.

Quote*panic levels rising*

DVDs?! What kinda backup-unconscious rustic do ya take me for! Hell, I have a whole redundant HD that I backup on a bi-monthly basis!

'Course I don't even trust my backup very much. It is just a little (500 GB) external HDD that I've had for two years...I probably should have gone for a SDD and payed more money in hindsight... -__-


Oh trust me,... SSD drives for 500GB at that time did not exist,... or if they did, would cost you $25000USD or more.  ^^;

Even 64GB SSD drives now are $1000USD, give or take.

Admittedly, if you backup that much, an external HD is more convenient.  But DVD-Rs do make a very cost-efficient backup method, especially if you don't have very much to backup.  And while their life expectancy is not that hot (similar to CD-Rs), they're bound to last longer than an external HD.  Might be safer to do both.  ^____^'

QuoteI'm not going to try to reinstall XP now. >__<


Well,... looks like it finally happened.  ^-^

QuoteI can't believe you've never seen those BK commercials. They were everywhere a while back...and yeah, they were very creepy O__O


Remember, I don't watch much television at all.  ^^;

The closest I got to that recently was watching the reimagined BattleStar Galactica series, which my brother recommended and indeed I absolutely LOVE -- and even that's done from DVDs.  ^___^;

(oh, and SHARON "ATHENA" VALERI AGATHON rules!!!!  ^V^)

QuoteOh yeah, I nearly forgot to mention--I'm now using Safari as a web browser! I looked into Opera (I always thought it was open source), but I figured if I was going to go with some proprietary browser I might as well go with the one M$ has shown a seething hatred of (spiteful much?)

I have to say it's fast; it seems faster than Firefox and certainly faster than IE. The only thing I'm hating is that shiny Mac interface that doesn't match the rest of XP, and the fact that it takes longer to start up.


Nope, Opera is definitely closed source -- but could've fooled anyone.  ^___^

Figures you'd try Safari,... for someone who will inevitably inherit her father's newfound Mac Zeal (bwahaha!  ^v^), it figures you'll want to start ticking your toe in the water now rather than later.  ^______________^
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Post by: Ultimaninja on August 25, 2008, 09:19:31 pm
So this is a (lol) thread against Vista?

I'm against it, since I cannot play Let's Meow Meow on it, and had to switch back to xp.

Though I never wanted to leave xp in the first place
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Post by: C-Chan on August 26, 2008, 01:26:04 am
Yo! Mr. Ninja....  You finally show up where I can see you -- Topicless is the last place for longterm discussion these days.  `v'

This is actually more of a social club really, since Vista tarnishes its own reputation far more effectively than any of our rants.  >v<

Not that I'd advocate ditching an OS cause it can't run a single program (don't like it when it happens in Linux), so I'm sure you have a variety of other reasons for staying loyal to XP.  ^^
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Post by: Bella on August 26, 2008, 11:54:22 am
QuoteTo take a page from Newspeak,... can't we do "pissful"? ^-^


XD

QuoteWell I don't think I'll go as far as to say the .Net fiasco wrecked my hard drive. It was already +4 years old at the time running nothing but XP, so in a way it had it coming. ^^;
Did want to stress the point, however, is that I couldn't physically remove .net easily because we commoners just aren't meant to know how to do that. ^___^;


Oh great, K8 is going on 4 years old and runs nothing but XP. You set my mind at ease, really T___T

QuoteUm,... you do realize that the quality fo the Unix panel is gonna be WOEFULLy inferior to that of the commodore sisters.... ^^;


Brother C-Chan and Sister Aurora shall only be keeping with the doctrines of Unix-ism. It shall not be inferior; it shall be more simplistic!

QuoteOh trust me,... SSD drives for 500GB at that time did not exist,... or if they did, would cost you $25000USD or more. ^^;

Even 64GB SSD drives now are $1000USD, give or take.

Admittedly, if you backup that much, an external HD is more convenient. But DVD-Rs do make a very cost-efficient backup method, especially if you don't have very much to backup. And while their life expectancy is not that hot (similar to CD-Rs), they're bound to last longer than an external HD. Might be safer to do both. ^____^'


Well, all my documents barly put a dent in the HDD. Granted...they are around 20 GB. But I could probably ditch a lot of useless stuff and get it down to 15 or so @___@

And I never could figure out how to get K8 to burn DVDs, even though it does have a DVD burner. The confusion started before I left the store, with the saleman asking me if my computer had one kind of DVD burner or another--I forget, it was years ago--but one kind of DVD wouldn't work with a certain burner. It was like either DVD+R or DVD-R or something, I completly forget, I don't even know if I have the right burner/DVD combonation. I burned at least five DVDs (I have a 25 pack) and none of them work properly. But then again I am using Roxio, which is one of the most horrendous burners I've used, it would always screw up the job halfway through, so that may have something to do with it. Alcohol 120% I tried, and I have no idea what the hell is going on with that one either. So...

QuoteWell,... looks like it finally happened. ^-^


Yeah, well K8 apparently cannot write DVDs (or maybe I don't have the ability or software to), and I don't trust my external HDD...maybe I should just hand her over to those Geek Squad nimrods and have them make a backup of my data for me. I shutter at the thought of how expensive it might be, though >__<

QuoteRemember, I don't watch much television at all. ^^;

The closest I got to that recently was watching the reimagined BattleStar Galactica series, which my brother recommended and indeed I absolutely LOVE -- and even that's done from DVDs. ^___^;


(oh, and SHARON "ATHENA" VALERI AGATHON rules!!!! ^V^)

Ah, I've heard that's a really good series. I've not been watching much TV, either, because all my favorite shows are currently off the air. The only thing I've been watching lately is the Olympics.

QuoteSo this is a (lol) thread against Vista?

I'm against it, since I cannot play Let's Meow Meow on it, and had to switch back to xp.

Though I never wanted to leave xp in the first place


Our tongue-and-cheek title aside, we're not so much against Vista, as we are for the alternatives we believe are better. XP, Mac, Linux, Unix, shell accounts, historical OSes running of shoddy emulators, abacuses, etc. etc.

Oh, and C-Chan, I tried that tutorial for using the terminal (under Puppy Linux, which ironically runs in VirtualBox on K8 almost perfectly) and got up to lesson four--that's excellent! Navigating using a CLI is a lot less frustrating than I imagined it'd be; not that I thought it'd be that difficult :D
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Post by: C-Chan on August 27, 2008, 02:51:26 am
QuoteOh great, K8 is going on 4 years old and runs nothing but XP. You set my mind at ease, really T___T


No prob, no prob... remember also that my VPR Matrix is a desktop, while K8 is a laptop.  A lot of factors go into hard drive degradation, including over-usage (=excessive writes or defrags), electrical disturbances, physical shock, crappy platter [or needle] metals, and/or intentional sabotage by the OEMs to get you to buy more HDs.  ^^

In other words, when it comes to modern HDs, it all comes down to luck really -- luck which determines whether an HD will fail in one year or 10.  I say modern because older hard drives, apart from being better built, also had much fewer things to write (hence less physical wear and tear).

QuoteBrother C-Chan and Sister Aurora shall only be keeping with the doctrines of Unix-ism. It shall not be inferior; it shall be more simplistic!


Course, I think I made UNIX-sama simplistic enough to risk being buried under a mound of boots.  @___@;

That's the price I had to pay to just get the story moving.  ^^;

QuoteWell, all my documents barly put a dent in the HDD. Granted...they are around 20 GB. But I could probably ditch a lot of useless stuff and get it down to 15 or so @___@


WOW!  Only 20 gigs?!  @v@
Ooh!  In that case, 5 DVDs would be good enough to back up everything you own in the world.  ^__^

Indeed, before I learned about FOSS apps, picking a good burning software was always a PITA.  Nero and Roxio worked, but had quirks that belied their price tags.  The problem, though, does stem a lot from the burner itself -- if it's particularly crappy (and most laptop burners are), then it will have a high coaster rate regardless (because of physical interruptions to its circuitry or power lines, or what not).

But in any case, since I'm here to SAVE you money, I should point out that in Windows you can try the FOSS app Infrarecorder.  

http://infrarecorder.sourceforge.net/

Not only is it FOSS, it's also a very no-nonsense burning software.  It doesn't take up much space installing frivolous features, it doesn't lock you into particular image formats, and its user interface is simple to fault.  It's literally just drag and burn.  ^^

I wish I could suggest K3B (the Linux answer to Nero/Roxio/Alcohol), but that might be tricky since you can't burn anything from Virtualbox, and using a LiveCD would use up the optical disc drive.  -.-

Won't suggest getting an external burner because it's not all that necessary for a mere 20GB.  If anything, you can wait until your Pop gets his Mac, and then borrow it to burn some decent backups using Toast.  ^^

QuoteYeah, well K8 apparently cannot write DVDs (or maybe I don't have the ability or software to), and I don't trust my external HDD...maybe I should just hand her over to those Geek Squad nimrods and have them make a backup of my data for me. I shutter at the thought of how expensive it might be, though >__<


Don't even think about it!  >o<
Chances are they'll image the HD in some weird format that can only be opened by some backup suite on sale on their shelves.  >v<

For that matter, just buy yourself two or three 8GB USB flash drives and drop your stuff in there.  

http://www.amazon.com/s/qid=1219782929/ref=sr_nr_p_memory_storage_cap_5?ie=UTF8&rs=3151491&bbn=3151491&rnid=107470011&rh=n%3A541966%2Cn%3A172455%2Cn%3A172476%2Cn%3A3151491%2Cp%5Fmemory%5Fstorage%5Fcapacity-bin%3A00200%7B2.1%20GB%20%26%20Up%7B

Given how ridiculously cheap these things have become, it'll be a far better investment (cause they'll still be useful even after you retire them from backup detail).  ^^

QuoteOh, and C-Chan, I tried that tutorial for using the terminal (under Puppy Linux, which ironically runs in VirtualBox on K8 almost perfectly) and got up to lesson four--that's excellent! Navigating using a CLI is a lot less frustrating than I imagined it'd be; not that I thought it'd be that difficult


Fufu!  Actually, Puppy Linux WOULD run perfectly in Virtualbox, not only because of its low memory requirements but also because it doesn't use any 3D graphics.  ^__^

She's also a great platform to try out the shell,... if anything blows up, she takes like two minutes to reinstall.  ^.^

Very happy that you're already up to Lesson 4!  That's the one that describes the standard *Nix directory layout, no?  That one's considerably useful, since a lot of my early consternations with Linux involved my lack of understanding as to WHERE my software was being saved to.  ^___^

Incidentally, that chapter was the inspiration for that game idea which, I should probably be honest, I'll have to drop.  Call it a moment of euphoria that led me to bite off more than I could chew (again).  ^^;

My immediate computer future lies in smaller more manageable programs.  ^.^

Added after 10 hours 6 minutes:

Oh,... and my new favorite article of the week:

http://bryceharrington.org/drupal/foss-win-paradox
Title: MEWXPZLFUDAWV Club!
Post by: Bella on August 27, 2008, 11:36:34 am
QuoteNo prob, no prob... remember also that my VPR Matrix is a desktop, while K8 is a laptop. A lot of factors go into hard drive degradation, including over-usage (=excessive writes or defrags), electrical disturbances, physical shock, crappy platter [or needle] metals, and/or intentional sabotage by the OEMs to get you to buy more HDs. ^^


I always thought defragging was helpful for the life of an HD... O_o

QuoteIn other words, when it comes to modern HDs, it all comes down to luck really -- luck which determines whether an HD will fail in one year or 10. I say modern because older hard drives, apart from being better built, also had much fewer things to write (hence less physical wear and tear).


Yeah, look at my old Windows 98 machine. That thing was used for four or so years, exposed to some horrendous treatment, then put in a musty storage room for a few more years, then last year I got it out and it worked fine...(well, not fine, but I didn't even expect the HD to work).

QuoteWOW! Only 20 gigs?! @v@
Ooh! In that case, 5 DVDs would be good enough to back up everything you own in the world. ^__^

Indeed, before I learned about FOSS apps, picking a good burning software was always a PITA. Nero and Roxio worked, but had quirks that belied their price tags. The problem, though, does stem a lot from the burner itself -- if it's particularly crappy (and most laptop burners are), then it will have a high coaster rate regardless (because of physical interruptions to its circuitry or power lines, or what not).

But in any case, since I'm here to SAVE you money, I should point out that in Windows you can try the FOSS app Infrarecorder.

http://infrarecorder.sourceforge.net/

Not only is it FOSS, it's also a very no-nonsense burning software. It doesn't take up much space installing frivolous features, it doesn't lock you into particular image formats, and its user interface is simple to fault. It's literally just drag and burn. ^^


...And about half of those 20 GB is video files and ISO images...and the lion's share of the remaining 10 is hueg digital image files.

But thank you! After four years of ownership it's figures I'd have somebody help me find software that would operate the burner! I have almost all of my files backed up, certainly the most important, on four disks; and it'll take another two for the rest.  

QuoteDon't even think about it! >o<
Chances are they'll image the HD in some weird format that can only be opened by some backup suite on sale on their shelves. >v<

For that matter, just buy yourself two or three 8GB USB flash drives and drop your stuff in there.

http://www.amazon.com/s/qid=1219782929/ref=sr_nr_p_memory_storage_cap_5?ie=UTF8&rs=3151491&bbn=3151491&rnid=107470011&rh=n%3A541966%2Cn%3A172455%2Cn%3A172476%2Cn%3A3151491%2Cp%5Fmemory%5Fstorage%5Fcapacity-bin%3A00200%7B2.1%20GB%20%26%20Up%7B

Given how ridiculously cheap these things have become, it'll be a far better investment (cause they'll still be useful even after you retire them from backup detail). ^^


Haha...no, I have my external HD and my DVDs made, now I can begin to ponder the thought of reinstalling XP on K8.

*ponders*

I shall have to wonder about this whilst sipping on grey tea, then move out to the veranda to thinkith more on the entire ramifications of the situation. I shall have to consult scriptural and philosophical documents and look for guidance; maybe I'll ask of some learned people to give me direction in my great quandary. Only then shall I return home, draw up a decision tree, find that the decision tree is no help in deciding but rather a well-placed stalling tactic, and then decide...to go to bed, to repeat the process another day. Oh! To reinstall or not to reinstall...that is the question.

BTW, I've commandeered the family computer that belongs to...well, the family, but my dad claimed it a while back, and now I'm claiming it for myself as I always do when K8's on the fritz. DY's an incredible little computer, she has less software installed now then when she was bought. This thing has just enough RAM and HD to comfortably run XP, and has a bootup time of around 25 seconds. She's also proven to be indestructible, having been kicked, dropped, drop-kicked, and nearly fell down a small flight of stairs in her lifetime (if somebody's foot hadn't been well placed), and non of this seems to have phased her one bit O_____o

QuoteFufu! Actually, Puppy Linux WOULD run perfectly in Virtualbox, not only because of its low memory requirements but also because it doesn't use any 3D graphics. ^__^

She's also a great platform to try out the shell,... if anything blows up, she takes like two minutes to reinstall. ^.^


Oh...not anymore, I think I jinxed it. @___@

Oh well, I have a Pupple live CD...I wonder if DY would like to be faster than she's ever been for a short while...?

QuoteVery happy that you're already up to Lesson 4! That's the one that describes the standard *Nix directory layout, no? That one's considerably useful, since a lot of my early consternations with Linux involved my lack of understanding as to WHERE my software was being saved to. ^___^

Incidentally, that chapter was the inspiration for that game idea which, I should probably be honest, I'll have to drop. Call it a moment of euphoria that led me to bite off more than I could chew (again). ^^;

My immediate computer future lies in smaller more manageable programs. ^.^


Aha! I thought that sounded familiar! :P

I'm always for small projects, though...never bite off more than you know you can chew, I always say.

QuoteOh,... and my new favorite article of the week:

http://bryceharrington.org/drupal/foss-win-paradox


...bitter much...? T____T

Well, of course I'm in disagreement. I do think that I'd be more open to getting a Linux-based computer now that I've used OSS software on XP and know that it works as good, or better, than most proprietary stuff. But I'm open to new stuff anyhow, so maybe I'm an exception...
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Post by: C-Chan on August 27, 2008, 03:35:19 pm
QuoteI always thought defragging was helpful for the life of an HD... O_o


It is, but only in moderation.  Defragging operates in a a plateau -- reasonable usage will help reorganize your hard drive better and thus minimize writes, but OVERusage (say like a daily defrag run) just causes the HD to write more than it has to (especially if it's only moving around a few file fragments, but has to shift an entire chunk to do it).  This just causes more wear and tear on the HD.  ^^;

QuoteYeah, look at my old Windows 98 machine. That thing was used for four or so years, exposed to some horrendous treatment, then put in a musty storage room for a few more years, then last year I got it out and it worked fine...(well, not fine, but I didn't even expect the HD to work).


If it's fine enough to run Puppy-chan, it's fine.  ^>^

QuoteBut thank you! After four years of ownership it's figures I'd have somebody help me find software that would operate the burner! I have almost all of my files backed up, certainly the most important, on four disks; and it'll take another two for the rest.


Awesome blossom!  If Infrarecorder helped save the day, guess my mission here is done.  -v-

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Oh right,... you want the CIOST panel done,... "nau".  -.-'

QuoteI shall have to wonder about this whilst sipping on grey tea, then move out to the veranda to thinkith more on the entire ramifications of the situation. I shall have to consult scriptural and philosophical documents and look for guidance; maybe I'll ask of some learned people to give me direction in my great quandary. Only then shall I return home, draw up a decision tree, find that the decision tree is no help in deciding but rather a well-placed stalling tactic, and then decide...to go to bed, to repeat the process another day. Oh! To reinstall or not to reinstall...that is the question.


Oh! just reinstalleth thy darn systemeth!  >v<

Once you have everything backed up (including your internet bookmarks) and literally leave your XP system as an empty shell of its former self (plus all the .net crap that's breaking it), there's no harm in reinstalling (and in fact it's a normal part of life Windoze life, like night and day).  That is,... assuming you have recovery disks, or trust the hard drive rescue partition if it has one.  T__T'

QuoteBTW, I've commandeered the family computer that belongs to...well, the family, but my dad claimed it a while back, and now I'm claiming it for myself as I always do when K8's on the fritz. DY's an incredible little computer, she has less software installed now then when she was bought. This thing has just enough RAM and HD to comfortably run XP, and has a bootup time of around 25 seconds. She's also proven to be indestructible, having been kicked, dropped, drop-kicked, and nearly fell down a small flight of stairs in her lifetime (if somebody's foot hadn't been well placed), and non of this seems to have phased her one bit O_____o


I forgot... is DY another laptop or desktop?  ^___^

Speaking of indestructible, how's this for one...?

http://www.pcpro.co.uk/blogs/2008/08/27/a-real-space-oddity-arrives-at-pc-pro/

QuoteOh well, I have a Pupple live CD...I wonder if DY would like to be faster than she's ever been for a short while...?


OMG, the walk-in closet in DY would be as big as the Astor mansion for Puppy-chan. @v@;

Quote...bitter much...? T____T

Well, of course I'm in disagreement. I do think that I'd be more open to getting a Linux-based computer now that I've used OSS software on XP and know that it works as good, or better, than most proprietary stuff. But I'm open to new stuff anyhow, so maybe I'm an exception...


A year ago I would have been in disagreement as well.  But once you spend time as a FOSS developer, you can't help but pick up a little tough love.  And you have to for the sake of your sanity, cause people open to new stuff (like yourself) or who simply take a few seconds to read posts (also like yourself) are an EXTREME minority.
Title: MEWXPZLFUDAWV Club!
Post by: Bella on August 28, 2008, 09:03:09 pm
QuoteIt is, but only in moderation. Defragging operates in a a plateau -- reasonable usage will help reorganize your hard drive better and thus minimize writes, but OVERusage (say like a daily defrag run) just causes the HD to write more than it has to (especially if it's only moving around a few file fragments, but has to shift an entire chunk to do it). This just causes more wear and tear on the HD. ^^;


This makes sense. I usually do a monthly or bi-monthly defrag :P


QuoteAwesome blossom! If Infrarecorder helped save the day, guess my mission here is done. -v-

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Oh right,... you want the CIOST panel done,... "nau". -.-'


Darn right!!!!

No really, up until now I didn’t even think my DVD burner worked…


QuoteOh! just reinstalleth thy darn systemeth! >v<

Once you have everything backed up (including your internet bookmarks) and literally leave your XP system as an empty shell of its former self (plus all the .net crap that's breaking it), there's no harm in reinstalling (and in fact it's a normal part of life Windoze life, like night and day). That is,... assuming you have recovery disks, or trust the hard drive rescue partition if it has one. T__T'


Uhm…maybe I should seek scholarly advice…and…go see a psychic…

*sweatdrop*

*stalling*

I better wait until my friend comes over. He has sum crazy technopathic skillz, he once straighten out a surly scanner by laying his hands upon it! I finally got Ubuntu to work in VirtualBox when he was in the near-vicinity of my home!  o_o

Seriously, I have a recovery disk. No place to hide one of those moronic, semi-working recovery partitions on a laptop, y’know. And funny you should call it a common thing in Windows life, those PC performance enthusiasts who’d talk about reinstalling XP every year always mortified me with the thought…

Quote
I forgot... is DY another laptop or desktop? ^___^


How easy is a desktop to drop-kick? T__T

I should also add, she was bought at a black Friday sale for around $375. I don’t think I’m ever gonna spend more than $400 on a computer ever again, the cheaper they are the better they seem to work.

QuoteSpeaking of indestructible, how's this for one...?

http://www.pcpro.co.uk/blogs/2008/08/27/a-real-space-oddity-arrives-at-pc-pro/


O. M. G. That is PURE awesome!

…not that I’d want a computer I could lose under the piles of paper on my desk…

QuoteOMG, the walk-in closet in DY would be as big as the Astor mansion for Puppy-chan. @v@;


Ack, I couldn’t find my Puppy live CD so I loaded up Zenwalk on DY. Still really frickin’ fast…

And I read through lesson 5 and tried out some of the copy/moving/deleting controls for myself (not on any important  files, mind you). I didn’t really get the whole wildcard character thing--I mean, I get it, but I don’t get it in practice.


QuoteA year ago I would have been in disagreement as well. But once you spend time as a FOSS developer, you can't help but pick up a little tough love. And you have to for the sake of your sanity, cause people open to new stuff (like yourself) or who simply take a few seconds to read posts (also like yourself) are an EXTREME minority.


Yeah I guess I might be pissed if I knew my work was going to help out the competition. And not XP because, tsk tsk, that’s harmless now, but Vista. Assuming whatever works on XP works on Vista, that is >____<

-----added after a while----

Say, how can I backup my bookmark list when I can't open Firefox? Not that I have many bookmarks, but I've never known how to find those files in Firefox.

*wanders off to go sleep on the notion of reinstalling XP*
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Post by: Aurora Borealis on August 28, 2008, 10:51:36 pm
Those tiny cube computers are so cool! DO WANT! But it's a shame they likely won't be released outside of Japan and they are expensive for such an underpowered computer :(
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Post by: Bella on August 29, 2008, 11:11:40 am
No, no, scratch that question about the bookmarks cause I imported them to Safari and then backed them up. I have a new question. Why can three out of my five backup DVDs only be read by K8? Yes, three of those backups, when loaded into DY, come up as blank disks. When loaded into K8 they don't respond as normal DVDs should, they load as CD-Rs and are very slow and hangy.

Wait, I may have answered my own question...
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Post by: C-Chan on August 29, 2008, 02:24:42 pm
QuoteSeriously, I have a recovery disk. No place to hide one of those moronic, semi-working recovery partitions on a laptop, y’know. And funny you should call it a common thing in Windows life, those PC performance enthusiasts who’d talk about reinstalling XP every year always mortified me with the thought…


Oh, you'd be surprised where they stick those blasted recovery partitions.  For all its faults, at least Windows 98 systems always came with recovery disks.  Â¬Â¬

It's been so long since I've seen them, I couldn't get used to the fact that my EeePC, Shuttkle KPC and Acer Aspire One ALL came with Recovery Disks.  I was like "What the frak are these things?", and even tried nibbling on them to see if they were edible.  -.-

But seriously, if the recovery disk is native to K8, you shouldn't have any problem at all -- because Factory recovery disks usually set up everything you need (not just the system, but also audio drivers, chipset drivers, lan drivers, everything to make the system run as fresh as the day you picked up from the store).

Still, doesn't hurt to have a little moral support around.  ^^

QuoteHow easy is a desktop to drop-kick? T__T


*cough*

http://www.pcpro.co.uk/blogs/2008/08/27/a-real-space-oddity-arrives-at-pc-pro/
http://www.linutop.com/linutop2/index.en.html
http://www.aleutia.com/
http://www.fit-pc.com/new/small-and-quiet.html?gclid=CNXj_bfKs5UCFQhdswodnnEwQw
http://www.zonbu.com/home/index.htm

QuoteAck, I couldn’t find my Puppy live CD so I loaded up Zenwalk on DY. Still really frickin’ fast…


If you're feeling absolutely adventurous, you might consider giving this a try:

http://www.slitaz.org/en/

Believe it or not, it's smaller and faster than Puppy or even Damn Small Linux!  @__@

QuoteAnd I read through lesson 5 and tried out some of the copy/moving/deleting controls for myself (not on any important files, mind you). I didn’t really get the whole wildcard character thing--I mean, I get it, but I don’t get it in practice.


Like all things, that takes practice in order to really nail it.  For example, if I wanted to copy all the files and directories on a USB stick onto a folder on my /Home drive, I would write it out as follows:


mkdir /home/cchan/destinationfolder
cp -R /media/cchanusbdisk/* /home/cchan/destinationfolder


The first line creates the folder in my home drive.
The next one copies the entire contents of my USB stick (currently mounted in /media/cchanusbdisk) and pastes them into the newly created /home/cchan/destinationfolder.

The "-R", btw, activates the "recursive option in the cp command, which ensures that all folders and their contents are also copied as well.  By default, the cp command only copies top-level files ONLY (not even directories).

As you probably know by now, typing:

man cp

...will bring up the manual for the cp command, which provides more information on its usage and the other options.  Press the "Q" key to exit out of it.  ^^

QuoteYeah I guess I might be pissed if I knew my work was going to help out the competition. And not XP because, tsk tsk, that’s harmless now, but Vista. Assuming whatever works on XP works on Vista, that is >____<


My agreement actually isn't so much in the "helping of the competition" aspect, since that's the risk we all take when releasing software under the GPL or similar licenses.  As long as they abide by the terms, subsequent distributors and users can do whatever they want with it -- it's in their right, and more so if they actually put some effort into maintaining and/or improving the software.

The problem is just that, however,... despite the overwhelming volume of Windows users, a very horrifying minority relative to other platforms are actually willing to actively contribute to FOSS software -- and in the case of Inkscape, this has often led to the main developers reallocating resources away from the main branch just to get the Windows version up and running (you'll recall it took a while for the WIndows port of version 0.46 to be released).

This in itself is unfortunate, but understandable given the culture difference -- I believe that if only 1% of Windows users participate positively while the remaining 99% did absolutely nothing, that would still offer a fun and stimulating environment for the developers to keep supporting Windows.

The reality, unfortunately, is that 1% of users participate positively, 49% do nothing,... and 50% participate NEGATIVELY towards the project, wasting time, destroying developer morale, and spreading a kind of vitriol FUD that most proprietary software companies can only DREAM of spreading in their Press releases.  It's a common paradox I've witnessed where, the more free an application is, the more demanding the users become -- they thump their chests proclaiming with great pride they're too stupid to read instructions (and hence the reason why the program is not ready for "prime time"), but grow meek and sheepish when they shell out $3000USD for a 3D graphics suite that remains immutable to most of their wishes forever.

I've had similar experiences here where people (artists and non-artists alike) feel that my free OS-tan art should be judged the same as paid commission work -- and to add insult to injury, also consider all the detail and backstories I traditionally add to my characters irrelevant (when in fact it has always been my primary focus).  I have the same words for them as I have for the people who threaten to go back to "Windoze" if I don't give them what they want for free: "don't let the door hit you in the ass on your way out".  `v'

QuoteSay, how can I backup my bookmark list when I can't open Firefox? Not that I have many bookmarks, but I've never known how to find those files in Firefox.

*wanders off to go sleep on the notion of reinstalling XP*


I think you answered this afterwards,... if not, go into C:\Documents and Settings, and search for a folder with your XP codename on it. You'll see the Windows-equivalent of a "/home" folder inside.  Enable "Show Hidden Files" from the folder options, then open the hidden folder called "Application Data".

Inside you'll see the Mozilla folder -- keep clicking down till you cover the file path "..\Mozilla\Firefox\Profiles\63tsluv1.default" or something like that.  Inside that Profiles subfolder, you'll see a "bookmarks.html" file that contains all your bookmarks from Firefox -- this you can copy and paste out of there, and then import it later to another browser.  ^__^

QuoteThose tiny cube computers are so cool! DO WANT! But it's a shame they likely won't be released outside of Japan and they are expensive for such an underpowered computer


Netbooks are better anyway, since they're cheaper AND come with a screen/keyboard/trackpad.  ^.^

QuoteNo, no, scratch that question about the bookmarks cause I imported them to Safari and then backed them up.


I knew it!  ^.^

QuoteI have a new question. Why can three out of my five backup DVDs only be read by K8? Yes, three of those backups, when loaded into DY, come up as blank disks. When loaded into K8 they don't respond as normal DVDs should, they load as CD-Rs and are very slow and hangy.

Wait, I may have answered my own question...


Uh,... I guess.  ^^;

In any event, when burning archival disks, my best advice is that you always burn them at the slowest speed possible by your burner.  

If you'll recall from the 90's computer boom, old CD-ROM drives (and writers) were always advertised by their speed,... it seemed like each company was having an arms race to see how fast their drives could be.

But while drives today are fast, they're speed is a bit muted.  That's because CDROM speeds also work as a plateau -- performance improves up to a certain point, but make it tOO fast and the optical driver laser can't physically keep up and starts experiencing read errors (causing seek-time delays), or worse write errors (when burning).  Naturally, this also contributed to greater wear and tear on optical devices -- a big problem on laptop drives, since they're usually flimsier than their desktop-counterparts.

So if you burn something you don't really care for, it doesn't hurt to blast through it like there's no tomorrrow.  But if you expect to cry if the disk ever becomes unreadable, make sure it gets burned the best way possible.  

As Napolean once said: "I’m in a hurry…Dress me slowly".  ^__~
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Post by: Bella on August 31, 2008, 01:10:45 pm
QuoteIf you're feeling absolutely adventurous, you might consider giving this a try:

http://www.slitaz.org/en/

Believe it or not, it's smaller and faster than Puppy or even Damn Small Linux! @__@


Wow...that looks pretty cool....but I think I have my hands full with K8 and all this drama right now. I'm not feeling to adventurous at the moment ^^

QuoteLike all things, that takes practice in order to really nail it. For example, if I wanted to copy all the files and directories on a USB stick onto a folder on my /Home drive, I would write it out as follows:

Code:

mkdir /home/cchan/destinationfolder
cp -R /media/cchanusbdisk/* /home/cchan/destinationfolder


The first line creates the folder in my home drive.
The next one copies the entire contents of my USB stick (currently mounted in /media/cchanusbdisk) and pastes them into the newly created /home/cchan/destinationfolder.

The "-R", btw, activates the "recursive option in the cp command, which ensures that all folders and their contents are also copied as well. By default, the cp command only copies top-level files ONLY (not even directories).

As you probably know by now, typing:

Code:
man cp


...will bring up the manual for the cp command, which provides more information on its usage and the other options. Press the "Q" key to exit out of it. ^^


Okay, that makes a little more sense. I guess. :P

QuoteMy agreement actually isn't so much in the "helping of the competition" aspect, since that's the risk we all take when releasing software under the GPL or similar licenses. As long as they abide by the terms, subsequent distributors and users can do whatever they want with it -- it's in their right, and more so if they actually put some effort into maintaining and/or improving the software.

The problem is just that, however,... despite the overwhelming volume of Windows users, a very horrifying minority relative to other platforms are actually willing to actively contribute to FOSS software -- and in the case of Inkscape, this has often led to the main developers reallocating resources away from the main branch just to get the Windows version up and running (you'll recall it took a while for the WIndows port of version 0.46 to be released).

This in itself is unfortunate, but understandable given the culture difference -- I believe that if only 1% of Windows users participate positively while the remaining 99% did absolutely nothing, that would still offer a fun and stimulating environment for the developers to keep supporting Windows.

The reality, unfortunately, is that 1% of users participate positively, 49% do nothing,... and 50% participate NEGATIVELY towards the project, wasting time, destroying developer morale, and spreading a kind of vitriol FUD that most proprietary software companies can only DREAM of spreading in their Press releases. It's a common paradox I've witnessed where, the more free an application is, the more demanding the users become -- they thump their chests proclaiming with great pride they're too stupid to read instructions (and hence the reason why the program is not ready for "prime time"), but grow meek and sheepish when they shell out $3000USD for a 3D graphics suite that remains immutable to most of their wishes forever.


WTF?! Why the hell are there developers who’re participating negatively? Isn’t that like taking a job at a business you hate just to heckle the employees? Is it out of spite? Are they evil ninjas working for the proprietary companies? Or do they have good intentions, but just end up being demanding and unreasonable? Don’t the software project teams have some rules laid out, like, oh, I don’t know, no abusive or counter-productive developers?

QuoteI've had similar experiences here where people (artists and non-artists alike) feel that my free OS-tan art should be judged the same as paid commission work -- and to add insult to injury, also consider all the detail and backstories I traditionally add to my characters irrelevant (when in fact it has always been my primary focus). I have the same words for them as I have for the people who threaten to go back to "Windoze" if I don't give them what they want for free: "don't let the door hit you in the ass on your way out". `v'

This can be said of any hobby, I guess…the entire idea of a pastime is something you do for your own enjoyment, not to make money.

QuoteUh,... I guess. ^^;

In any event, when burning archival disks, my best advice is that you always burn them at the slowest speed possible by your burner.

If you'll recall from the 90's computer boom, old CD-ROM drives (and writers) were always advertised by their speed,... it seemed like each company was having an arms race to see how fast their drives could be.

But while drives today are fast, they're speed is a bit muted. That's because CDROM speeds also work as a plateau -- performance improves up to a certain point, but make it tOO fast and the optical driver laser can't physically keep up and starts experiencing read errors (causing seek-time delays), or worse write errors (when burning). Naturally, this also contributed to greater wear and tear on optical devices -- a big problem on laptop drives, since they're usually flimsier than their desktop-counterparts.

So if you burn something you don't really care for, it doesn't hurt to blast through it like there's no tomorrrow. But if you expect to cry if the disk ever becomes unreadable, make sure it gets burned the best way possible.

As Napolean once said: "I’m in a hurry…Dress me slowly". ^__~


Oh, thanks a lot for telling me this…afterwards! T___T

No, I kid, I kid, if I can use these DVDs to restore my files after I reinstall XP and then use ‘em as Frisbees afterward, I’ll be happy. But it turned out my suspicion was correct--three of the DVDs had been burned in CDR mode, not DVD mode. K8 and DY read them as CDRs instead of as DVDs, and apparently this has a big difference.
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Post by: C-Chan on September 02, 2008, 01:21:28 pm
QuoteWTF?! Why the hell are there developers who’re participating negatively? Isn’t that like taking a job at a business you hate just to heckle the employees? Is it out of spite? Are they evil ninjas working for the proprietary companies? Or do they have good intentions, but just end up being demanding and unreasonable? Don’t the software project teams have some rules laid out, like, oh, I don’t know, no abusive or counter-productive developers?


I actually meant Users were participating negatively -- and while a couple may sound like paid plants, seeded into the project to add discord, I'm sure the overwhelming majority are just people too entrenched and full of themselves.  That doesn't sound surprising at all when you realize that people like that DO exist in real life (but may not appear as numerous, since they may not have the comfort of anonymity to mask their vitriol).

However, now that you mention it, I HAVE met developers who more often than not contributed negatively to a project.  Or rather, they may contribute something valuable to a specific thing (like localization), but raise complete havoc in other project subsets or administrative tasks.  That, and/or they were just plain rude.

You can enlist the help of the greatest artist in the world -- but if he's a total arsehole and destroys the fun out of a collaboration, there comes a point where having a great team player is better than having a great artist.  Same with development, and when at least one of those developers left after some longstanding grievances over his temper, maturity and abuse of power, he was not missed.  Certainly not by me.

But the damage was done -- hours upon hours of codework lost bickering over inane nonsense.

Indeed, there are some "rules" to guard against this -- but enforcement is hard to manage in a community-based project, especially if the troublemaker is himself a moderator/admin.  In this particular aspect, company-led projects (like Ubuntu, Mandriva and Sun) have a slight advantage in this regards, even if they're bogged down by TOO much inflexibility.

QuoteOh, thanks a lot for telling me this…afterwards! T___T

No, I kid, I kid, if I can use these DVDs to restore my files after I reinstall XP and then use ‘em as Frisbees afterward, I’ll be happy. But it turned out my suspicion was correct--three of the DVDs had been burned in CDR mode, not DVD mode. K8 and DY read them as CDRs instead of as DVDs, and apparently this has a big difference.


Guess its because I haven't used Infrarecorder much, but I kinda thought it burned the same way as K3b (which automatically detects if the disc inserted is a recordable CD or DVD, or even a double-layered DVD).

Oh well, live and learn -- and despite the small inconvenience of having to carefully observe the mode it burns in, I guess Infrarecorder does still serve as the best burning solution for Windows in that it: 1) works, and 2) costs nothing.  ^.^'

In other news, the browser wars are about to get VERY interesting.... -v-

http://www.zdnetasia.com/news/software/0,39044164,62045672,00.htm?scid=rss_z_nw
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Post by: Bella on September 03, 2008, 08:50:04 pm
Quoteactually meant Users were participating negatively -- and while a couple may sound like paid plants, seeded into the project to add discord, I'm sure the overwhelming majority are just people too entrenched and full of themselves. That doesn't sound surprising at all when you realize that people like that DO exist in real life (but may not appear as numerous, since they may not have the comfort of anonymity to mask their vitriol).

However, now that you mention it, I HAVE met developers who more often than not contributed negatively to a project. Or rather, they may contribute something valuable to a specific thing (like localization), but raise complete havoc in other project subsets or administrative tasks. That, and/or they were just plain rude.

You can enlist the help of the greatest artist in the world -- but if he's a total arsehole and destroys the fun out of a collaboration, there comes a point where having a great team player is better than having a great artist. Same with development, and when at least one of those developers left after some longstanding grievances over his temper, maturity and abuse of power, he was not missed. Certainly not by me.

But the damage was done -- hours upon hours of codework lost bickering over inane nonsense.

Indeed, there are some "rules" to guard against this -- but enforcement is hard to manage in a community-based project, especially if the troublemaker is himself a moderator/admin. In this particular aspect, company-led projects (like Ubuntu, Mandriva and Sun) have a slight advantage in this regards, even if they're bogged down by TOO much inflexibility.


Oi, I guess jerks are everywhere -___-

QuoteGuess its because I haven't used Infrarecorder much, but I kinda thought it burned the same way as K3b (which automatically detects if the disc inserted is a recordable CD or DVD, or even a double-layered DVD).

Oh well, live and learn -- and despite the small inconvenience of having to carefully observe the mode it burns in, I guess Infrarecorder does still serve as the best burning solution for Windows in that it: 1) works, and 2) costs nothing. ^.^'


No, my tirade was for your not enlightening me on the speed/quality connection.

QuoteIn other news, the browser wars are about to get VERY interesting.... -v-

http://www.zdnetasia.com/news/software/0,39044164,62045672,00.htm?scid=rss_z_nw


Oooh, maybe I’ll have to give it a try. I have become something of a browser aficionado XD

In Anguishing and Languishing News, I’m still stalli--Er, I mean to say, deciding if I should reinstall XP. I mean, I’ve decided to, I’m just trying to work up the nerve. Like when you decide to roll your junky car off a cliff to collect insurance! XD

Damn my cowardice/procrastination attitude fault T___T

In Oh Dear Gawd What Lengths Will M$ not go Through to Raise Usership News, imagine my pure IRE when I saw a commercial for something called the Mojave Experiment yesterday, a kind of blind-taste-test for Vista. So I went online to do more research…I’ll let the sites do the talking.

http://wilshipley.com/blog/2008/07/mojave-experiment-bad-science-bad.html

http://www.engadget.com/2008/07/29/mojave-experiment-goes-live-doesnt-fail-to-annoy/

http://www.microsoft-watch.com/content/marketing/why_the_mojave_experiment_fails.html

M$ + wannabe cool marketing campaign = LOLsrslyWTF?! I mean, when Apple does a condescending marketing campaign--they do it well, and they make it entertaining. When M$ does the same…it’s cringe-worthy. And chock full O' FUD.
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Post by: NejinOniwa on September 04, 2008, 02:52:21 pm
QuoteOooh, maybe I’ll have to give it a try. I have become something of a browser aficionado XD

Posting this from Google Chrome. Bugged up as hell on the process side, and I can hardly change settings in install and initial setup without it crashing. Web side seems to be OK, though, and it does have a savvy interface - what I can't get used to is the fact that the tab bar is united with the window bar, and above the URL box. Otherwise things seems to be fine.

More to come, perhaps.

Added after 40 seconds:

Oh, and also: No adblock = CRAPPY CRAP CRAP. I puked.
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Post by: Bella on September 04, 2008, 07:24:06 pm
*bawling*

That's very helpful Nejin-san--I'll avoid Chrome for now...

*continues bawling*

Okay, I guess I'm gonna reinstall XP, like--like--right now--no, I still haven't worked up the nerve, but I don't think I ever could. Not without some Geek Squad jerks making a backup of all my files for a few hundred bucks. Hell, I'd even feel better if my technopathic buddy was here! But what would the chances be of both my backups failing...? Oh God no, that implies there is a statistical chance of both them failing--!

*bawls*
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Post by: IanDanKilmaster on September 04, 2008, 07:43:14 pm
QuoteOh, and also: No adblock = CRAPPY CRAP CRAP. I puked.


Not to sound pessimistic, but why would Google include that?  Ads are their bread 'n butter.  Of course, the project is open source, so I guess it won't be too long before a third party will figure out how to add that feature.

For now, I'm content to wait for Chrome until they release it for Linux, and then possibly wait again until someone makes a repo for it in Ubuntu.  Then again, there's always the option of compiling it myself.
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Post by: Bella on September 04, 2008, 08:17:20 pm
Ooopsie, I chickened out at the last minute when K8 had difficulty reading a DVD I burned. Of course. Right now I see these options:

1) Leave K8 as is and buy one of those little gBook pieces of garbage. Course, I put emphasis on the words "garbage", because gOS would probably be installed for about fifteen minutes before I got a real OS in there. Then again all the reviews I've heard of those have been full of hatred, and not only for the software, either.

2) Leave XP as is, install Puppy Linux or something else tiny-but-useful on a pen drive, and just use that...but this brings us to the problem of hardware drivers, because I don't think one exists for Linux that'll allow me to use my Broadcom wireless card. Or if there is I haven't found it. Yes, 100% of my networking is done wirelessly, and no, I've never gotten the internets enabled on Linux. This is, of course, assuming I could even get K8 to boot from a USB drive.

3) If I'm going to destroy all my documents anyhow, I could always do a partition and install Linux right on the hard drive alongside XP. Then there'll only be a chance that all my documents will be destroyed. No, wait, that'll void my warranty...

4) Get the Best Buy morons to make a backup and reinstall XP. Because no amount of money can be put on four years worth of artwork, digital pictures and documents.

5) Man up and just restore the damned system already, because I already have two dubiously reliable backups that should work.

I know, I am a shameful coward. But I feel I cannot purposefully delete all my data without a backup that I know will work. Not that I think will work, or that should work, but will work without a question of a doubt.

Option 2) seems like a good one, but I feel to that will be like sweeping the mess under the rug to deal with on another day, something I don't do.

Right now option 4) seems the most logical, only if for the fact that those idiots are good at making backups. They must have some guarantee for their work.
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Post by: C-Chan on September 04, 2008, 09:11:49 pm
QuoteOi, I guess jerks are everywhere -___-


Yes indeed, that's the sad truth.  ^^

On the other hand, it's probably better this way.  As I always say: "Nothing can be Perfect without a few Imperfections."

Had the community been uniformly kind, helpful and devoted, I would have been very suspicious.  Even we have our differences every once in a while, but it helps to keep things balanced.  ^.^

QuoteNo, my tirade was for your not enlightening me on the speed/quality connection.


Case in point... there's a zen-like quality in knowing I potentially helped Bella-hime create her first Coasters.  ^.^

Auuuuuuuuuuummmmmmmmmmm..... *meditates*  -.-

But yeah, kinda thought you knew that since that's been common knowledge since the late 90's.  That, and the fact that the CD labels sold in stores are BAD for the life of your writable discs, and also the fact that writable disc manufacturers lie about the lifespan of a their products.  ^____^

(Or rather, it's not that they lie.... a CD/DVD WILL last 100 years.  But that's only the PLASTIC,... they NEVER said ANYTHING about the dye layer.  ^.^;

QuoteIn Anguishing and Languishing News, I’m still stalli--Er, I mean to say, deciding if I should reinstall XP. I mean, I’ve decided to, I’m just trying to work up the nerve. Like when you decide to roll your junky car off a cliff to collect insurance! XD


OMG.  T____T'

Here...

*hands Bella some parsley to slit her wrists with*

QuoteM$ + wannabe cool marketing campaign = LOLsrslyWTF?! I mean, when Apple does a condescending marketing campaign--they do it well, and they make it entertaining. When M$ does the same…it’s cringe-worthy. And chock full O' FUD.


*BRAIN EXPLODES!!!!*

Oh dear GAWDS, I think I'm gonna puke.  >v<

In fairness, I guess that's just the wonderful world of advertising.  People will LOVE Coca Cola and/or Pepsi, until they find out it gave them diabetes and/or kidney diseases.  (although some will still drink it anyway -- what can we say, it's just DAMN good marketing.....  -.-; )

Quote
Posting this from Google Chrome. Bugged up as hell on the process side, and I can hardly change settings in install and initial setup without it crashing. Web side seems to be OK, though, and it does have a savvy interface - what I can't get used to is the fact that the tab bar is united with the window bar, and above the URL box. Otherwise things seems to be fine.


Yeah, tried it out myself in Virtualbox XP when it first came out.  It's neat, but certainly FEELS like a Beta.  Also had a nasty habit of making my processor work harder, probably because it was semi-virtualization on top a virtual environment (that, or my KPC's processor is just a bit finicky). ^^;

Quote*bawling*

That's very helpful Nejin-san--I'll avoid Chrome for now...

*continues bawling*


Oh yeah, I just said it for the sake of saying, but as a Beta release it's only really meant for developers and testers (or just REALLY curious people).  Certainly not meant for people too scaredy-cat to reinstall XP.  Bwahahah!! `v'

QuoteOkay, I guess I'm gonna reinstall XP, like--like--right now--no, I still haven't worked up the nerve, but I don't think I ever could. Not without some Geek Squad jerks making a backup of all my files for a few hundred bucks. Hell, I'd even feel better if my technopathic buddy was here! But what would the chances be of both my backups failing...? Oh God no, that implies there is a statistical chance of both them failing--!

*bawls*


OMGx2.... T____T'

Well I suppose I can't be too hard,... I only got acclamated be reinstallations after I lost everything to the great Hard Drive Crash of '01 (where I lost TONS of my ancient game-mod artwork).

But don't fall into the trap of shelling out TONS of money just for security -- that's just giving up.  Remember the old phrase by one of your founding fathers:  "Those who give up Freedom for Security deserve Neither", or something like that."  -.-

Plus you ONLY have 10GB of files to back up.  Why not dump them all into DY and/or another computer, and create more backups?  That way, you have 4 or 5 backups -- talk about impossible odds.  --;

QuoteNot to sound pessimistic, but why would Google include that? Ads are their bread 'n butter. Of course, the project is open source, so I guess it won't be too long before a third party will figure out how to add that feature.

For now, I'm content to wait for Chrome until they release it for Linux, and then possibly wait again until someone makes a repo for it in Ubuntu. Then again, there's always the option of compiling it myself.
_


I actually agree that Google wouldn't willing block pop-up ads, since a few of them might be their own for all we know.  ^^;

But if it ever attracts the same HUGE Extension community that Firefox has, then yes pop-up blockers would be the first in the field.  ^^

I'm in no rush to adapt it either -- I don't do much in a browser besides surfing (i hardly even use FF extensions).  I am very giddy about it though, if only because it's likelier to cut into IE's market share than into Firefox'.  It has the name-brand recognition that so many casual users crave. (few people at work knew what Mozilla or Firefox was, but almost ALL "googled" at one point in time or another).

QuoteRight now option 4) seems the most logical, only if for the fact that those idiots are good at making backups. They must have some guarantee for their work.


OMGx5... T______________T;

Well see my above post about making more backups on other machines -- you already have an external hard drive, so it should be easy as pie.  If you feel its a bad omen to "destroy" those files when you do the reinstallation (even if you have 10 backups around the house), then don't leave them in the computer.

MOVE them into your external hard drive, instead -- that way, psychologically-speaking, you'll only be reinstalling an empty shell rather than all your precious media.  That way too it serves as a good last-minute check -- with Windows emptied out including of all the applications that let themselves be uninstalled), it's easy to spot anything that was accidentally left behind.

I won't sanction wasting money to feel better, even if it means buying a Linux netbook.  If you want a good Linux netbook, I'll help fund the purchase of an Acer Aspire One, a Dell Inspiron 9, or whatever doesn't come with SUSE or Xandros,... but never under these circumstances, no.  I want you to BELIEVE in yourself -- that's really the most important part of why I want you to go through with this.  Confidence can't be bought, it has to be built from the ground up and now (or at least when you're done making more backups or researching the subject matter more) is the best time to start!

And BTW, being a man is overrated.  ^____^
Want REAL courage....

...

...YOU GOTTA BE A PIG!!!!!!  ^V^
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Post by: IanDanKilmaster on September 04, 2008, 09:34:11 pm
QuoteBut don't fall into the trap of shelling out TONS of money just for security -- that's just giving up. Remember the old phrase by one of your founding fathers: "Those who give up Freedom for Security deserve Neither", or something like that." -.-


"They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety." - Ben Franklin

Yeah, you seem to have the general idea -.- Kudos for referencing one of my favorite revolutionary quotes and applying it to an everyday situation, haha.

QuoteI actually agree that Google wouldn't willing block pop-up ads, since a few of them might be their own for all we know. ^^;

But if it ever attracts the same HUGE Extension community that Firefox has, then yes pop-up blockers would be the first in the field. ^^

I'm in no rush to adapt it either -- I don't do much in a browser besides surfing (i hardly even use FF extensions). I am very giddy about it though, if only because it's likelier to cut into IE's market share than into Firefox'. It has the name-brand recognition that so many casual users crave. (few people at work knew what Mozilla or Firefox was, but almost ALL "googled" at one point in time or another).


I agree completely.  My friend and I were discussing this just last night.
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Post by: NejinOniwa on September 05, 2008, 05:56:50 am
QuoteI actually agree that Google wouldn't willing block pop-up ads, since a few of them might be their own for all we know. ^^;

Actually, popup-blocking is pretty neat in Chrome since it keeps it all in its own process and all - it's just the casual page ad blocking that we're missing.

QuotePlus you ONLY have 10GB of files to back up. Why not dump them all into DY and/or another computer, and create more backups? That way, you have 4 or 5 backups -- talk about impossible odds. --;


An even more fixy way to do it:
Fix 3-4 Gmail accounts, Get GSpace for Firefox, upload everything you have onto the internet.


GLOBALIZATION~
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Post by: C-Chan on September 05, 2008, 12:14:13 pm
QuoteYeah, you seem to have the general idea -.- Kudos for referencing one of my favorite revolutionary quotes and applying it to an everyday situation, haha.


Ah!  There we go!  Knew I wasn't entirely off the mark.  ^^

QuoteActually, popup-blocking is pretty neat in Chrome since it keeps it all in its own process and all - it's just the casual page ad blocking that we're missing.


Yeah, I still remember my old Hacchan days when I had to manually chase pop-up windows around to close them.  Very freaky stuff that I'm glad they found a sorta-solution to.  ^__^'

But wonder what creative hack will find a way to make that annoying again.  ^.^

QuoteAn even more fixy way to do it:
Fix 3-4 Gmail accounts, Get GSpace for Firefox, upload everything you have onto the internet.


GLOBALIZATION~


Hot damn!  I forgot about cloud computing storage!  ^_______^

Yeah, that could definitely be an absolute last-resort backup system -- post your sensitive files in some sort of online storage, in some server far far away from your home and country.  And if you're worried about prying eyes, you can even zip them up and password protect them.  ^___^

After all, as Linus once said, the best backup solution to a file is to release it online.  I already have most of your images in my computer,and in at least a few of the backup DVDs I've made of all my files.  So you can count on me to protect a little bit of "Bellaness" in this world.  ^_____^

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In other news, I kinda like this article:

http://www.intranetjournal.com/articles/200809/ij_09_04_08a.html

And in other OTHER news... it's about freakin time....  T___T

http://configure.us.dell.com/dellstore/config.aspx?oc=dncwxa1&c=us&l=en&s=dhs&cs=19&kc=productdetails~laptop-inspiron-9
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Post by: IanDanKilmaster on September 05, 2008, 01:49:35 pm
QuoteAn even more fixy way to do it:
Fix 3-4 Gmail accounts, Get GSpace for Firefox, upload everything you have onto the internet.


GLOBALIZATION~


Also keep in mind, this may or may not violate the Google TOS, and I have read about reported cases of google suspending or terminating the accounts of people who use their e-mail for this purpose.  That being said, I'm not entirely certain such a legally ambiguous (I say legal for lack of a better word) method for online storage is suited for backing up.  Given Bella-san's reluctance to use other methods, I'm not sure this would suit her either... perhaps X-drive's an option?  How small could one compress 10GB of data?
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Post by: C-Chan on September 05, 2008, 02:07:05 pm
Well, with standard gzip or lzma compression (the kind used in Linux LiveCDs).... quite small.

Surely half or even a quarter of its size.  ^.^

Really would depend a lot on the file content -- JPEGs and MP3s, for example, are already heavily compressed.

Yeah, I was actually thinking more legitimate online storage solutions too.  ^____^

e.g.,

http://news.cnet.com/8301-10784_3-9917948-7.html

Still involves money, but nothing near the cost of a new laptop or those Geek Squaders.

And still a last resort solution anyway (I don't trust it myself) -- only a slow and deliberate backup process can allay Bella-hime's fears.  ^^
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Post by: Bella on September 05, 2008, 03:23:56 pm
Okay, well, I backed up all the files on DY. My reasoning? Okay, the DVDs and HD--if one of those fail, if my data is deleted on K8, then I'm down to one backup that must work. But DY--if the files are on DY, then I can always reproduce them (IOW, make DVDs on DY and shuttle them back to K8). Barring a massive HD failure happening to DY in the few hours between the time I restore XP and the time I move all my data back to K8, I don't see what could go wrong.

So I'm going to reinstall XP now.
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Post by: C-Chan on September 05, 2008, 04:07:24 pm
Too late now, but you did read the part about emptying out K8's Windows system?  That way you end up with FOUR backups and a boatload of confidence.  ^^

But in any event, I believe in Bella-hime.  She will persevere!  ^___^

*does Free Willy pose*

...

*gets crushed by Orca*

Added after 4 minutes:

QuoteBarring a massive HD failure happening to DY in the few hours between the time I restore XP and the time I move all my data back to K8, I don't see what could go wrong.


Won't deter anyone from covering all possible bases -- it's good preemptive thinking.  But still -- if something WERE to happen with those impossible statistical odds, then surely it cannot be anything less than the GAWDS smiling (or ROTFLing) at you.  ^^;

The fact that you also have never messed with your partitions is also a BIG plus for you -- most OEM reinstallation discs are pretty dumb, and freak out whenever any of their silly hidden partitions are no longer present.

There can be nothing but success at this point!

COME ON, BELLA-HIME!!
YOU CAN DO IT, BELLA-HIME!!!  ^V^
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Post by: Bella on September 05, 2008, 06:56:07 pm
Hey, I’m writing from K8. The reinstallation went well--actually, there was some option to keep all my files and just install XP again, but honestly it sounded kinda like a recovery partition setup of sorts. And I had ceremoniously deleted all my data anyhow. So I did a full disk format and reinstallation. After XP reinstalled I threw out all the trial programs, installed my programs, and moved my files back. All seems well and it’s a ton faster now.

I should note K8 has a heckuva time reading those DVDs. Some backup those became-it couldn’t read one of them, and if refused to copy files off of another one. So I had to use my backup HD…but I tell you, I was really happy the files were backed up on DY.

QuoteYes indeed, that's the sad truth. ^^

On the other hand, it's probably better this way. As I always say: "Nothing can be Perfect without a few Imperfections."

Had the community been uniformly kind, helpful and devoted, I would have been very suspicious. Even we have our differences every once in a while, but it helps to keep things balanced. ^.^


Very true. No good could exist without evil…

Quote*BRAIN EXPLODES!!!!*

Oh dear GAWDS, I think I'm gonna puke. >v<

In fairness, I guess that's just the wonderful world of advertising. People will LOVE Coca Cola and/or Pepsi, until they find out it gave them diabetes and/or kidney diseases. (although some will still drink it anyway -- what can we say, it's just DAMN good marketing..... -.-; )


Speaking of which, I saw the Seinfeld M$ ad yesterday. It was, to put it in the only words I can muster, WHAT THE FSCKING HELL WAS THAT!!!1! It was nothing short of art. Words cannot describe it. Only witnessing it firsthand can:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=afR5J7eskno

I think it’s rather clever. M$ invites you, the viewer, to find you own message in this ad. Clearly, the discount shoe store symbolizes the M$ Corporation, with the store manager…Billy Boy…the leader of this empire, a man who isn’t afraid to work with the people. The ill-fitting shoe, obviously, symbolizes Windows Vista. Sure, you don’t want to throw out your comfy, well-fitting, worn shoes (XP), but they’re starting to get too old and your friends are telling you to just buy a new pair already. Sure, you could buy Prada shoes or try Birkenstocks (that would be Mac or Linux, respectively), but you don’t wanna get too far off the beaten path--so you find yourself at the Shoe Circus (M$) once again.

But when you try on this shoe (Vista), ouch! It doesn’t fit you well, and when you go for a stroll you start to get blisters. It really wears on you, but the salesman (Billy) assures you it’ll feel alright if you give it time. So you buy it. But it’s still uncomfortable, and hey, what’s that, you find it’s still wearing on you. But if you beat this shoe up enough--even wear it in the shower and have Billy twist it around for you--it starts to feel a bit better. This is a message to trust M$, to trust Billy, and give Vista a try. Sure, it’ll be painful and difficult, and will never feel as comfortable as your old sho--I mean, your old OS, but you’ll adjust. Either that, or get caught wearing Birkenstocks.


QuoteOMGx2.... T____T'

Well I suppose I can't be too hard,... I only got acclamated be reinstallations after I lost everything to the great Hard Drive Crash of '01 (where I lost TONS of my ancient game-mod artwork).

But don't fall into the trap of shelling out TONS of money just for security -- that's just giving up. Remember the old phrase by one of your founding fathers: "Those who give up Freedom for Security deserve Neither", or something like that." -.-

Plus you ONLY have 10GB of files to back up. Why not dump them all into DY and/or another computer, and create more backups? That way, you have 4 or 5 backups -- talk about impossible odds. --;


It actually came to me last night I should shuttle the files onto DY…


QuoteOMGx5... T______________T;

Well see my above post about making more backups on other machines -- you already have an external hard drive, so it should be easy as pie. If you feel its a bad omen to "destroy" those files when you do the reinstallation (even if you have 10 backups around the house), then don't leave them in the computer.

MOVE them into your external hard drive, instead -- that way, psychologically-speaking, you'll only be reinstalling an empty shell rather than all your precious media. That way too it serves as a good last-minute check -- with Windows emptied out including of all the applications that let themselves be uninstalled), it's easy to spot anything that was accidentally left behind.

I won't sanction wasting money to feel better, even if it means buying a Linux netbook. If you want a good Linux netbook, I'll help fund the purchase of an Acer Aspire One, a Dell Inspiron 9, or whatever doesn't come with SUSE or Xandros,... but never under these circumstances, no. I want you to BELIEVE in yourself -- that's really the most important part of why I want you to go through with this. Confidence can't be bought, it has to be built from the ground up and now (or at least when you're done making more backups or researching the subject matter more) is the best time to start!  

And BTW, being a man is overrated. ^____^
Want REAL courage....

...

...YOU GOTTA BE A PIG!!!!!! ^V^


Thank you for that…I actually felt a lot better knowing that the files were on “Indestructible DY”. But before that, I didn’t trust my backups (and one did turn out to be unreliable.)

If I wanted a new computer, I would have gotten one long ago. But K8 is the computer I like using.

QuoteWon't deter anyone from covering all possible bases -- it's good preemptive thinking. But still -- if something WERE to happen with those impossible statistical odds, then surely it cannot be anything less than the GAWDS smiling (or ROTFLing) at you. ^^;


Oh, kinda like when The Universe conspired to cheat me out of my wireless broadband service...? T__T
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Post by: C-Chan on September 05, 2008, 09:16:59 pm
Woohoo!!!!!!!  You made it! ^___^

See?  You're still alive, right?  You didn't lose an arm or anything, right?  ^.^

Congratulations, Bella-hime!  Not only have you fulfilled you XP Rite of Passage, but you've now officially outsmarted the Geek Squaders!!  I'm so proud of you!!  ^-^

*blows kisses*  ^v^

How does it feel to have so much unlimited power now?  Bet it feels great, doesn't it?  Just remember:  "With great power, comes great responsibility... for feeding tech-savvy pigs that demand food!"

I swear, it's the original saying!  ^-^

Now then...

*opens maw, expecting delicious cake*

QuoteAnd I had ceremoniously deleted all my data anyhow.


Very good, you followed my advice.   ^__^
I was gonna ask you to try out Google Chrome now that you were intentionally hosing your system,... but guess it slipped my mind. You can have so much fun with a system destined to be destroyed/replaced. ^-^

QuoteSo I did a full disk format and reinstallation. After XP reinstalled I threw out all the trial programs, installed my programs, and moved my files back. All seems well and it’s a ton faster now.


It's the freshly-ground file system that makes it faster.  Once the hard drive starts getting fragmented and the little hidden processes start accumulating is when you start seeing the characteristic performance slide.

There's plenty of research material out there to help you counteract that, although its still generally accepted that simple reinstallations are easier.  ^__^

Quote
I should note K8 has a heckuva time reading those DVDs. Some backup those became-it couldn’t read one of them, and if refused to copy files off of another one. So I had to use my backup HD…but I tell you, I was really happy the files were backed up on DY.


Fufufu... well now that you're in the clear, trying burning some more DVDs.... slowly.... ^_______^;

On the other hand, if you have used K8's DVD drive a lot, don't forget that laptop optical disc drives do get flakey sooner than desktop models.  Tomoyo's optical disc drive is complete shot to hell, and that's why I mainly use my external DVD writers to perform disc reading and writing on her.

(Tomoyo, btw, is the name of my old HP ze1210 I still have around -- my first laptop that I vowed to keep forever and is currently running PCLOS for torrent seeding and the like.)

Quote
Speaking of which, I saw the Seinfeld M$ ad yesterday. It was, to put it in the only words I can muster, WHAT THE FSCKING HELL WAS THAT!!!1! It was nothing short of art. Words cannot describe it. Only witnessing it firsthand can:


Woooooooooooooooooooooooooooooow................  @.@

I haven't... "refunded",.... my breakfast, lunch and dinner simultaneously ever since they released their lego-style-at-first-but-then-Cartoon-Network-knockoff mascots (what were their names again? -- they were so memorable, I forgot who they were).  ^^;

I knew they'd find a way to botch this somehow, but I never realized they'd come with a brave new way to make even the Amiga marketers look like advertising gurus.  I tip my hat at what is truly an epic and commendable work in utter fail.  XvX;

I love your interpretation of it, btw.  If they really wanted to save Vista, they would've done better to hire you.  ^___^

QuoteIt actually came to me last night I should shuttle the files onto DY…


Having more than one computer is the best backup money can buy.  ^__^

Quote
Thank you for that…I actually felt a lot better knowing that the files were on “Indestructible DY”. But before that, I didn’t trust my backups (and one did turn out to be unreliable.)

If I wanted a new computer, I would have gotten one long ago. But K8 is the computer I like using.


And now you've proven that you definitely deserve her, so by all means use her proudly!  You've earned the right to be called her proud owner. ^___^

*keeps lavishing praise and flowers on Bella*

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In other news,.. in case you were still practicing shell script... here's a nice graphical chart of a standard Linux file tree:

http://bp3.blogger.com/_Vbsj-yhipTw/RvaiatPBPBI/AAAAAAAAABs/yjx3hPlEUNw/s1600-h/linux_file_structure.jpg

It's missing the /proc folder though, but that one isn't really a real folder -- it's a virtual interpretation of the kernel.  That's why it never gives you an accurate file size -- it just spits out some impossibly-large number when you try.  ^^
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Post by: Bella on September 06, 2008, 09:54:08 pm
QuoteWoohoo!!!!!!! You made it! ^___^

See? You're still alive, right? You didn't lose an arm or anything, right? ^.^

Congratulations, Bella-hime! Not only have you fulfilled you XP Rite of Passage, but you've now officially outsmarted the Geek Squaders!! I'm so proud of you!! ^-^

*blows kisses* ^v^

How does it feel to have so much unlimited power now? Bet it feels great, doesn't it? Just remember: "With great power, comes great responsibility... for feeding tech-savvy pigs that demand food!"

I swear, it's the original saying! ^-^

Now then...

*opens maw, expecting delicious cake*


Here, I found a cake!

(http://www.nxtgenug.net/imagescontent/art153/img_2989.jpg)

Yeech, wrong cake! @__@'

Here, try this one!

(http://farm1.static.flickr.com/14/19777182_9f59af5ca1.jpg)

Thank you for yet again helping me out of another computer catastrophe :D


QuoteVery good, you followed my advice. ^__^
I was gonna ask you to try out Google Chrome now that you were intentionally hosing your system,... but guess it slipped my mind. You can have so much fun with a system destined to be destroyed/replaced. ^-^


I was thinking about trying out UXtheme multi-patcher, which involves screwing around with a system file to be able to install 3rd-party Windows themes. But I decided I probably wouldn't use it anyhow...

QuoteIt's the freshly-ground file system that makes it faster. Once the hard drive starts getting fragmented and the little hidden processes start accumulating is when you start seeing the characteristic performance slide.

There's plenty of research material out there to help you counteract that, although its still generally accepted that simple reinstallations are easier. ^__^


Not only that, but before I had a ton of programs installed--ones I didn't even really use. To picture it, my program start menu was about two rows, from almost the top of the screen to the bottom. Now? All the programs installed and shown in the start menu can fit inside one tiny row...


QuoteFufufu... well now that you're in the clear, trying burning some more DVDs.... slowly.... ^_______^;

On the other hand, if you have used K8's DVD drive a lot, don't forget that laptop optical disc drives do get flakey sooner than desktop models. Tomoyo's optical disc drive is complete shot to hell, and that's why I mainly use my external DVD writers to perform disc reading and writing on her.

(Tomoyo, btw, is the name of my old HP ze1210 I still have around -- my first laptop that I vowed to keep forever and is currently running PCLOS for torrent seeding and the like.)


I actually found a few files missing, so I used one of the DVDs...the one with my documents stored on it...and it worked fine....: |


QuoteWoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooow................ @.@

I haven't... "refunded",.... my breakfast, lunch and dinner simultaneously ever since they released their lego-style-at-first-but-then-Cartoon-Network-knockoff mascots (what were their names again? -- they were so memorable, I forgot who they were). ^^;

I knew they'd find a way to botch this somehow, but I never realized they'd come with a brave new way to make even the Amiga marketers look like advertising gurus. I tip my hat at what is truly an epic and commendable work in utter fail. XvX;

I love your interpretation of it, btw. If they really wanted to save Vista, they would've done better to hire you. ^___^


My friend and I were watching TV when this ad came on. After it aired we exchanged WTF?! looks and burst into laughter.

QuoteAnd now you've proven that you definitely deserve her, so by all means use her proudly! You've earned the right to be called her proud owner. ^___^

*keeps lavishing praise and flowers on Bella*


Ironically, I got K8 nearly four years ago to the day...

Quote===================

In other news,.. in case you were still practicing shell script... here's a nice graphical chart of a standard Linux file tree:

http://bp3.blogger.com/_Vbsj-yhipTw/RvaiatPBPBI/AAAAAAAAABs/yjx3hPlEUNw/s1600-h/linux_file_structure.jpg

It's missing the /proc folder though, but that one isn't really a real folder -- it's a virtual interpretation of the kernel. That's why it never gives you an accurate file size -- it just spits out some impossibly-large number when you try. ^^


I actually got a bit sidetracked by all this drama, but now that I have my computer back, I'll be able to play around with the CLI on Puppy Linux a bit more. That chart is kinda useful...
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Post by: IanDanKilmaster on September 07, 2008, 02:06:45 am
QuoteM$ + wannabe cool marketing campaign = LOLsrslyWTF?! I mean, when Apple does a condescending marketing campaign--they do it well, and they make it entertaining. When M$ does the same…it’s cringe-worthy. And chock full O' FUD.


QuoteSpeaking of which, I saw the Seinfeld M$ ad yesterday. It was, to put it in the only words I can muster, WHAT THE FSCKING HELL WAS THAT!!!1! It was nothing short of art. Words cannot describe it. Only witnessing it firsthand can:


So yeah, the day that I read each of these posts, I start seeing these ads on TV.  Funny thing is, despite his frustration at seeing the "I'm a Mac" ads everyday, my dad seems to be equally frustrated with the Mojave ad.  I must say, his aged stubborness has proven to be quite useful in keeping him away from Vista.

Anyway, it's great to see that everything seems to be working for you, Bella-san.  I know from experience that a re-installation isn't the easiest thing to do (in terms of concern over losing data), but it does indeed do miracles for computer performance (yes, even with Linux).  My main problem with re-installation is that my DVD/CD/CD-RW drive is up s*** creek, so the only reliable option for backing up would be using another hard drive (or buying a DVD writer to replace my dying drive).

On a side note, it turns out my younger sister didn't know about the Microsoft anti-trust case, so I got my chance to plant seeds of knowledge (and paranoia).
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Post by: C-Chan on September 08, 2008, 02:37:16 pm
QuoteHere, I found a cake!



Yeech, wrong cake! @__@'

Here, try this one!


Too late!  X___X

*careens*
*croaks*
*rolls into ball*
*dies of botulism*

QuoteThank you for yet again helping me out of another computer catastrophe  


Well no, thank YOU for listening and believing in yourself.  Any lesser women would have just let all my advice drift into one ear and fly out the other.  -v-

QuoteNot only that, but before I had a ton of programs installed--ones I didn't even really use. To picture it, my program start menu was about two rows, from almost the top of the screen to the bottom. Now? All the programs installed and shown in the start menu can fit inside one tiny row...


Aa sou sou... in that case, it's likely all the leftover/outstanding Registry entries, as well as all the prefetch garbage, that slowly and steadily clogged up your system.  ^^

Now that you're definitely operating off a completely clean slate, expect to find yourself making better and wiser software choices.  ^.^

QuoteMy friend and I were watching TV when this ad came on. After it aired we exchanged WTF?! looks and burst into laughter.


There is some truth that perhaps the commercial's point was to get everyone talking about Microsfot, as a few friends and I were busy shredding the commercial to pieces and laughing our collective asses off.  On the other hand, we also collectively agreed with one another that we'd never get near more M$ products if we could help it -- just in case that retardness we saw is contagious.  ^^;

QuoteIronically, I got K8 nearly four years ago to the day...


HAPPY BIRTHDAY, K8!!!  ^v^

(http://www.sweetcakes4u.com/Web%20Pictures/Web%20L%20-%20Laptop%202%20front%20view.jpg)

QuoteOn a side note, it turns out my younger sister didn't know about the Microsoft anti-trust case, so I got my chance to plant seeds of knowledge (and paranoia).


Ugh... sounds like my last client... ^^'

Client:  "Computer companies are trying to get at my money?  HORRORS!!"  

Me:  Le sigh...  -__-

Must be the whole "believe the men in the white coat" syndrome -- just because they [may] be smart, doesn't mean they're not duchbags.  ^___^'
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Post by: IanDanKilmaster on September 08, 2008, 03:13:19 pm
QuoteUgh... sounds like my last client... ^^'

Client: "Computer companies are trying to get at my money? HORRORS!!"

Me: Le sigh... -__-

Must be the whole "believe the men in the white coat" syndrome -- just because they [may] be smart, doesn't mean they're not duchbags. ^___^'


Don't get me wrong, she was aware that there were reasons that people didn't trust M$, but she's not really a computer person (well, she is comp-literate and works with photo-stuff) so she never bothered to research it.  I've explained to her that I find Ballmer to be more of a douche than ol' Billy Boy, but neither is very innocent.

btw.  It just so happens that of the two of us, she's the more artistically-gifted, but thus far I've been unable to convince her that she should try her hand at using the mouse to draw.
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Post by: C-Chan on September 08, 2008, 03:42:33 pm
*laugh laugh chortle chortle*  [about the douche reference]  ^^

BTW, it's probably for the better.  Precisely because you're using a mouse, Inkscape is more "sculpting" than it is "drawing".  Hand drawer > vector artist is not necessarily a natural progression, I will admit.  -v-
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Post by: IanDanKilmaster on September 08, 2008, 04:01:05 pm
Quote from: "C-Chan"*laugh laugh chortle chortle*  [about the douche reference]  ^^

BTW, it's probably for the better.  Precisely because you're using a mouse, Inkscape is more "sculpting" than it is "drawing".  Hand drawer > vector artist is not necessarily a natural progression, I will admit.  -v-


Yeah, that's something she explained, but I really think her art (which is very cartoonish) would be well-suited to the interwebs.  If I wanted to be really Freudian about it, I'd say that I'm exerting the same pressures on her that my parents exert on me (this whole thing about wasted potential and whatnot).

Anyway, I think it's really easy to hate a man like Ballmer, whether one hates M$ or not, since he tends to run off at the mouth a lot, much in the same way people hate Tom Cruise, regardless of their feelings about Scientology.  I guess if I spoke my mind as often (and in the same brash fashion) as either of them have, I'd probably be hated too -.-
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Post by: NejinOniwa on September 09, 2008, 02:44:11 am
Quote
Well no, thank YOU for listening and believing in yourself. Any lesser women would have just let all my advice drift into one ear and fly out the other. -v-

BELIEVE IN ME, WHO BELIEVES IN YOU!
C-Chan = New Kamina? Wait and see in the next episode of Tengen Toppa Gurren OS-Tan!

Also, with Portal's success, cake seems to have become a huge commercial meme. Vis-cake made me laugh. ^^
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Post by: Bella on September 16, 2008, 07:45:42 pm
In Linux Is Big In The Middle of Nowhere News: last weekend I found myself in rural Vermont. Now, when I say rural--that probably doesn't accurately describe this town. This place was several orders of magnitude more rural than rural. My friend couldn't even find this town on his GPS system. But here I find myself at an Autumn festival, somewhere near geographical nowhere, selling some of our prints.

I start telling my friend about my recent computer problems, and I go into a rather heated diatribe about the screwiness of M$ .NET framework, not to mention those updates. Well, a potential buyer...a rather normal, plaid-shirt wearing, boot-donning, rural, forest-dwelling type... overhears this.
"Having problems with Vista?" he asks.
"Seesh! No, I use XP, I'd never get near Vista."
"Good. I just got a computer running Vista," he says wistfully. His doubtful head shake is worth a thousand words.
"Yeah, my next computer will probably be a Mac." I reply.
Now here comes the great part. His enthusiastic reply? "I like Linux the best. Open source is the way to go!"

I now have my classic OMGWTF!!!!1!!! A Linux user? NO WAI!! look on my face, the same as when my...rural, forest-dwelling neighbor...went on about how great Linux is. I didn't think to say anything interesting or insightful, so all I did was give thumbs up and say "Hey! I use Linux too!". And just as with the neighbor, this guy doesn't seem the least bit surprised.
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Post by: C-Chan on September 16, 2008, 08:10:48 pm
ZOMG!!!!!!  That's it, I'm moving to this New England region of yours!!   Tis like the Promised Land!!

[imitates Bostonian accent... badly] Prehpahre ah pig pehn fohr meh, cahse I'ahm cohmin ohver.... and stuhffll!! ^0^

*waves Buffalo Bills flag, thinking it's a New England Patriots one*

In my own bit of news, I'm currently fixing up two more Windows systems (and inserting the usual FOSS/Linux extras, plus saying a kind word about the Acer Aspire One).  ^^

One is an XP system -- curiously housed in a Shuttle XPC similar to my beloved KPC (only older and slightly bigger/fatter/chunkier).  That one's pretty standard fare, and only suffered from the usual malware.

The other much OLDER Dell-from-the-heyday, however, runs nothing more and nothing less than 2K-san!!!!!  @v@

But that one has a shotload of virus-related and performance problems with the Windows install.  And given all the blue screens, memory freezes in Linux, trouble booting up LiveCDs, random unusual beeping sounds at startup, more beeping sounds caused by improperly shifting the keyboard/mouse plugs, complete display wipeouts (also followed by beepings) with the VGA connector, AND just the overall sorry state of the machine (banged up and dustier than moleasses)....

...I suspect severe motherboard problems.  ^^;
And given the needs of the young would-be users (this thing has no DVD-drive, no USB 2 ports, and an unusual chassis that doesn't fit standard components), this is one of the few instances I'll ever give in and recommend buying a new system.  A shuttle KPC like mine, or even an Aspire, would cost WAY less than what it could take to buy the components to fix this thing, and offer them all the perks of a modern system.  

They're definitely not the kind to be content with just putting Puppy Linux on this thing, and I ain't volunteering to work miracles.  -v-;
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Post by: IanDanKilmaster on September 17, 2008, 03:34:50 am
Well, Piggy-senpai, with your newly adopted accent and your love of freedom, you would've made a great Kennedy (couldn't resist, JFK's my favorite president).

QuoteI start telling my friend about my recent computer problems, and I go into a rather heated diatribe about the screwiness of M$ .NET framework, not to mention those updates. Well, a potential buyer...a rather normal, plaid-shirt wearing, boot-donning, rural, forest-dwelling type... overhears this.
"Having problems with Vista?" he asks.
"Seesh! No, I use XP, I'd never get near Vista."
"Good. I just got a computer running Vista," he says wistfully. His doubtful head shake is worth a thousand words.
"Yeah, my next computer will probably be a Mac." I reply.
Now here comes the great part. His enthusiastic reply? "I like Linux the best. Open source is the way to go!"


I just wish there were more people like that in my rural area.  I mean, I don't think it gets much more rural than in a small southern town (or in my case, in between small southern towns).  I'd preach Linux more around here, but most of the people I know are too scared to have to learn about their computers.  Right now, I just have to settle for peddling FOSS (I just recently convinced my father to install OpenOffice since his Media Center XP comp didn't have M$Office pre-installed).  Thankfully, these people are also scared of Vista (which is justifiable, I can give them the facts for that).

BTW, is anyone here using Enlightenment 17?  I'm using it for my default desktop environment with Ubuntu, and I have to say, for a beta, it's great.  There are a few options that don't quite work yet and it can sometimes be a little touchy (I just had an issue with the CD drive and desktop icons, but it was easily resolved), but it is gorgeous.  If you use Entrance (the login manager for Enlightenment, which is equally gorgeous) you'll save loads of RAM compared to other login managers.  I forgot to mention that Enlightenment itself is light on memory as well (which is awesome when you consider it offers KDE-like effects).
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Post by: C-Chan on September 17, 2008, 01:43:35 pm
QuoteWell, Piggy-senpai, with your newly adopted accent and your love of freedom, you would've made a great Kennedy.  


Fufufu!  It's not too late!  ^____^

*waves out Executive Order 11110 proudly*

*gets rifle trained to his head*

*quickly puts the papers back into his wallet*

On second thought, maybe I'll just stick to posing for the US half dollar.  ^^;

QuoteI just wish there were more people like that in my rural area. I mean, I don't think it gets much more rural than in a small southern town (or in my case, in between small southern towns). I'd preach Linux more around here, but most of the people I know are too scared to have to learn about their computers. Right now, I just have to settle for peddling FOSS (I just recently convinced my father to install OpenOffice since his Media Center XP comp didn't have M$Office pre-installed). Thankfully, these people are also scared of Vista (which is justifiable, I can give them the facts for that).


I still know many people who don't have computers at all, but the ones who do usually follow the same thought pattern as your neighbors, Ian-san.  ^__^
Bella-hime, though, might as well be living in Norway.  ^^

QuoteBTW, is anyone here using Enlightenment 17? I'm using it for my default desktop environment with Ubuntu, and I have to say, for a beta, it's great. There are a few options that don't quite work yet and it can sometimes be a little touchy (I just had an issue with the CD drive and desktop icons, but it was easily resolved), but it is gorgeous. If you use Entrance (the login manager for Enlightenment, which is equally gorgeous) you'll save loads of RAM compared to other login managers. I forgot to mention that Enlightenment itself is light on memory as well (which is awesome when you consider it offers KDE-like effects).


I've used Elive (what I consider the best E17-centric distro of all) and the old gOS (before they went to Gnome, and now to LXDE).  Indeed I LOVED them, and espoused the virtues of using (well, at least Elive) on very old machines (at the time an old Gateway that gave trouble to nearly all my systems, including display problems with Puppy-chan).

However, for some odd reason, I always end up gravitating back to KDE-based systems....  ''
Probably cause, as you say, it's still a tad incomplete -- even if what exists now is superb.
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Post by: NejinOniwa on September 17, 2008, 01:55:36 pm
QuoteI still know many people who don't have computers at all, but the ones who do usually follow the same thought pattern as your neighbors, Ian-san. ^__^
Bella-hime, though, might as well be living in Norway. ^^

No, no, no.
She's NOT, I repeat, NOT living in Norway. Õ_õ
Burn me alive if I ever go there again. Damn you, Norway. Damn place of mountains and trees and nothing but mosquitoes around. Fyres! I shiver just thinking about it. No, C-Chan, she might NOT just as well be living in Norway. Please use something else as a reference point, my aggro trigger just exploded.

>_>
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Post by: C-Chan on September 17, 2008, 02:09:17 pm
Okay.... hmmm... where else.... another European country with a highly educated workforce, high standard of living, semi-rural,....

Perhaps one that starts with an "S".... ^___^

Yes,... populated by tall, beautiful women....  *lecherous grin* ^.^

Great food... ^__^

Stable economy.... ^______^

Decent social ethic....  ^______________^

And apparently, no mosquitoes....  ^__________________________^

...

....

......


I KNOW!!!  ^v^

Sssssssssssssssswwww--

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...-itzerland!!!!  ^__^'
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Post by: NejinOniwa on September 17, 2008, 04:00:42 pm
QuoteI KNOW!!! ^v^

Sssssssssssssssswwww--

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...-itzerland!!!! ^__^'

Oi. -.-

No, for some reason, I have traumatic memories of Norway, DAMN IT, I HATE NORWAY. AGH.
I was there for 4 days, living in a ONE-MAN-TENT THAT WASN'T A TENT AT ALL, CLIMBING MOUNTAINS AND SHITTING IN BLUE PLASTIC BAGS. And that's freaking gross, man. Should be censored. GHA! I CENSORED IT, GTFO!

Nope, Norway is a no-go. I actually was to Trondheim, further up north, earlier in the summer, as well, and that was ok, I guess - but the Jotunheimen Experience has left me scarred for life.



>_>
<_<
>_<

Yes, Nejin is a sick asshole. Wait. I just recovered, so I'm now a recovered asshole. Wait, that doesn't sound right, not at all... Ã"_ô

>_>

*AHEM*
*wipes off chalkboard with enormous brush*

So, I'm thinking of getting an Aspire One. I just have one big question: Linux or XP version? I mean, XP on the 900mhz EEE isn't gonna go anywhere, but on a 1.6GHz Atom-wielding Aspire One it might work. And frankly, I am more than just slightly suspicious against a distro which homepage is written in Engrish...and even worse, CHINESE Engrish. I really dunno. Advise me, /OSC/!
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Post by: C-Chan on September 17, 2008, 04:44:30 pm
Really?  Doesn't seem to bad to me...  '__'

http://www.acer.com/aspireone/

...unless you mean Linpus Lite, in which case.... yeah, be marginally afraid.  -__-'

In any event, that's an easy call cause you've always struck me as kinda/sorta a game lover.  XP doesn't fare well on the SSD models, so they always stick it on the 120GB hard drive models which might be more appealing to you.  It kills the robustness of the laptop and makes it heavier/thicker -- but hey, you've got lots a space!  :P

The Linux version is supposed to also ship in a 1GB, 120GB hard drive version, but so far I haven't seen it -- I almost fear Acer got comfortable keeping their baby on their low-end (albeit still VERY popular) model.  So right off the bat, the XP will come with the beefier, slightly-more-modifiable hardware.  And even though you'd still be contributing some M$ tax, at least it's not Vista.  ;)

And as for getting the Acer over, say, any of the other netbooks,....

Well consider this:  you're a big guy, and the Acer has one of the BIGGEST, BEEFIEST keyboards in the market (second only to the HP Mininote, which is "shetland" if you know what I mean).  Typing on it should be easier for you -- and plus, the big bright screen ensures that you won't be squinting much.  ;D

One last thing -- all the Acers have gone down in price over here, so the Linux model is DIRT cheap compared to other models (almost as cheap as the EeePC 2G I bought!).  However, most of these companies have a nasty habit of abusing of you poor Europeans, so there's no doubt in my mind that the price differences between the Linux and XP models aren't all that great.  In some countries, in fact, the XP model is subsidized to the point where it's CHEAPER than the Linux model.

Pisses me off, but what can you do... it's one pig offering cash discounts (me) vs. a giant company with money to burn for everything, including very stupid commercials.  ^^;

Added after 3 minutes:

PS:  There is one possible issue... the Intel Atom is still relatively new, so its tasking may still not be up to par with what you're used to.  3D games in particular may have some issues, although I'm mainly basing this on the Linux version's 3D drivers (which as you might imagine, aren't the highest priority for Intel, despite that they are some of the most responsive).

Not to mention that the Intel Atom IS still a low-power processor -- so even at that speed, it's not really meant to be significantly better than the Celerons (just more efficient).
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Post by: NejinOniwa on September 17, 2008, 05:16:26 pm
Hey, it's not like I'm planning on playing Counterstrike on a laptop. My own monster-comp DELTA is there for all purposes except one; Portability. I was just recently checking out on portable computers and spotted the One. The HDD-less Linux version has got the same pricetag as the Celeron-equipped XP EEE 900 at 2900 SEK, while the HDD-equipped XP version at 4000 SEK is a rough 500 above the Atom XP version of EEE. With today's economic chaos I dunno what's happening, but just with the currency it's equivalent to 430$ for the Linux version, and 590$ for the XP version. I'm guessing, you guys have a LOT more free rein when it comes to good prices. And the worst part is that I absolutely DETEST American keyboards (I've always used the Scandinavian ISO-8859-1 keyboards) so I can't order it from outside the country.

In short, I'M IN DESPAIR.
Unless I'm lucky and get it for 10/13. =w=
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Post by: C-Chan on September 18, 2008, 12:28:29 pm
QuoteHey, it's not like I'm planning on playing Counterstrike on a laptop.


Although you can.... I've already tried playing Sauerbraten on my EeePC, and it runs alright.  :)
(just don't keep it around -- shooters aren't my thing anymore)

QuoteMy own monster-comp DELTA is there for all purposes except one; Portability. I was just recently checking out on portable computers and spotted the One.


True that.  ^^
You can put your netbook inot your coat pocket -- or even a pants pocket if it's baggy enough.  8|

QuoteThe HDD-less Linux version has got the same pricetag as the Celeron-equipped XP EEE 900 at 2900 SEK, while the HDD-equipped XP version at 4000 SEK is a rough 500 above the Atom XP version of EEE. With today's economic chaos I dunno what's happening, but just with the currency it's equivalent to 430$ for the Linux version, and 590$ for the XP version.


Ah well, at least those sound like more appropriate price differentials.  8D

QuoteI'm guessing, you guys have a LOT more free rein when it comes to good prices.


Mexicans, no. Electronic prices are still sadistically high, even though it's nowhere near as ridiculous as it was in the old days.  In Canada, maybe, but companies there are still in denial, pricing their products as if the Canadian $ were still less than the American one.

In the US, yeah, the netbook prices are pretty good (and in fact, that's how I got a hold of my Aspire One) -- but they do seem to be left out from a few extra features.  E.g., some of the new Dell Mini 9's sold for the European market will offer built-in cellular broadband connectivity.  Perhaps if I were interested in that kind of stuff, I would have waited for one of those (or an Acer with 3G connectivity). ^^

QuoteAnd the worst part is that I absolutely DETEST American keyboards (I've always used the Scandinavian ISO-8859-1 keyboards) so I can't order it from outside the country.


Sou sou, that would be a problem.  ^^

QuoteIn short, I'M IN DESPAIR.
Unless I'm lucky and get it for 10/13. =w=


Would that be YOUR B-Day, by any chance?  ;)

Well... in short, it seems like you really are interested in the Linux model, in which case I'm happy for you. ^^
The Acer Aspire One is capable of a lot more than it seems, but at least the admission that you're not looking for a complete desktop (or pimped out laptop) replacement means that you won't be easily disappointed by the lack of muscle power.

Just so we're clear, though, I'll give you the honest pros and cons of the Acer Aspire One Linpus Linux 8GB:

PROS:
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CONS:
====


And so there you have it -- just the facts.  ;)
If you still feel it's great for you and you want to buy it, I can walk you through some of the tweaks.  :D
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Post by: IanDanKilmaster on September 19, 2008, 11:06:07 pm
QuoteI've used Elive (what I consider the best E17-centric distro of all) and the old gOS (before they went to Gnome, and now to LXDE). Indeed I LOVED them, and espoused the virtues of using (well, at least Elive) on very old machines (at the time an old Gateway that gave trouble to nearly all my systems, including display problems with Puppy-chan).


I'm using the Elbuntu repository.  My only problem seems to be integration, e.g. I'll close an app in E17 and E17 gives me an error message telling me it crashed.  Really it's only a minor nuisance, otherwise I would driven at fixing the problem.

QuoteHowever, for some odd reason, I always end up gravitating back to KDE-based systems.... ''
Probably cause, as you say, it's still a tad incomplete -- even if what exists now is superb.


KDE will always be one of my DEs of choice, but it's becoming bloated.  On top of that, a non-beta version of KDE 4 is not available in the Gutsy Gibbon repos.  Of course, I'm a little bothered by the stuff I'm hearing about KDE 4 (lack of customization compared to KDE 3, lack of KDE 4 compatible programs, etc.), but I'm pretty sure these things will be resolved in time... I just lack such patience -.-.

EDIT:  Since this thread has essentially replaced the Linux thread (as I understand it), I would like to ask a couple of tech-supportish questions of you, Piggy-senpai.  Firstly, why isn't Iceweasel available in the Ubuntu repos?  Secondly, do you know of any reputable mirrors I could add to my sources.list that I could use to install Iceweasel?
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Post by: C-Chan on September 21, 2008, 07:28:59 pm
QuoteKDE will always be one of my DEs of choice, but it's becoming bloated. On top of that, a non-beta version of KDE 4 is not available in the Gutsy Gibbon repos. Of course, I'm a little bothered by the stuff I'm hearing about KDE 4 (lack of customization compared to KDE 3, lack of KDE 4 compatible programs, etc.), but I'm pretty sure these things will be resolved in time... I just lack such patience -.-.


Oh, course it's gonna be resolved in time -- I know cause I help out in it.  For now with money and reporting, but hopefully in the near future with actual codework.  ^__~

Quote
EDIT: Since this thread has essentially replaced the Linux thread (as I understand it), I would like to ask a couple of tech-supportish questions of you, Piggy-senpai.


OMG,... I can just imagine that's gonna get me in trouble some day. But for now, I shall revel in the limelight of "senpai"-ism.  ^.^'

QuoteFirstly, why isn't Iceweasel available in the Ubuntu repos?


Well, IceWeasel is primarily a legal precaution (some would say "exaggeration", though I wouldn't be so harsh) taken by the Debian developers in line with their free philosophy.  It would be redundant to have it alongside Firefox when both are essentially the same thing -- more so considering that the *Buntu's are replete with non-free technology themselves (hence, the need to create the short-lived Gobuntu).

I believe it was requested before way back in the early *Buntu releases (6.x and such), but clearly the idea has not gain any traction (what with a half a million other more important bugs to quash).

QuoteSecondly, do you know of any reputable mirrors I could add to my sources.list that I could use to install Iceweasel?


Well there is a reputable mirror here....

https://wiki.ubuntu.com/InstallIceweasel

...but just cause it's reputable, doesn't mean it's safe.  ^.^

In that case, I would say it's a lot safer to install IceWeasel from a recent DEB file, the instructions of which are also in that link.  Granted the instructions were written for Dapper and Edgy, it also claims to be compatible with future versions of Ubuntu -- as long as the DEB installation process doesn't ask you to remove half the files on your machine, it wouldn't hurt to try.  ;)

But like all good things,...

...

...they're best tested on a virtual machine.  ^.^;
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Post by: IanDanKilmaster on September 23, 2008, 06:00:28 pm
Okay, now I remember, the whole logo controversy was all over the ubuntuforums when this started, but I wasn't aware that all IceWeasel was was the same browser with a different name/logo.  For the record, I understand Debian's stance on this, but what I don't understand why IceWeasel has attracted such fanboys (humping weasel, wtf?).  After some more research, I decided to install a product that was also once called IceWeasel (preceded by GNU or not, it still caused confusion), GNU IceCat.  It's currently the only way I can get a stable, trustworthy FF3 on my computer (w/out compiling from source) that's not beta, and it also deviates more from FF than does IceWeasel.  Anyway, it's also the browser I'm currently typing this in ^__^.

QuoteOh, course it's gonna be resolved in time -- I know cause I help out in it. For now with money and reporting, but hopefully in the near future with actual codework. ^__~


That's awesome, I'll be sure to look for any distinctive Piggy-senpai touches once you get around to being that involved.

QuoteI'm using the Elbuntu repository. My only problem seems to be integration, e.g. I'll close an app in E17 and E17 gives me an error message telling me it crashed. Really it's only a minor nuisance, otherwise I would driven at fixing the problem.


Gah, wouldn't you know just the day after I post this, Elbuntu closes the Gutsy repo?  I would assume it has something to do with the guys at Enlightenment shifting from CVS to SVN, but the Hardy repo for Elbuntu still indicates it was compiled using CVS.  Anyway, I made the mistake of uninstalling e17 from there and installing it using the OzOs repo (which in turn uses a modified EasyE17 script).  In short, it sucks.  Due to stability concerns, it doesn't install entrance (and I loved entrance and entranced), and it doesn't come with it's own Application sub-menu.  These were both things (among others) that I had been spoiled to by Elbuntu.  Anyway, I'm really missing entrance now, but at least I still have the e17 eye-candy.
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Post by: C-Chan on September 24, 2008, 12:21:57 pm
QuoteOkay, now I remember, the whole logo controversy was all over the ubuntuforums when this started, but I wasn't aware that all IceWeasel was was the same browser with a different name/logo. For the record, I understand Debian's stance on this, but what I don't understand why IceWeasel has attracted such fanboys (humping weasel, wtf?). After some more research, I decided to install a product that was also once called IceWeasel (preceded by GNU or not, it still caused confusion), GNU IceCat. It's currently the only way I can get a stable, trustworthy FF3 on my computer (w/out compiling from source) that's not beta, and it also deviates more from FF than does IceWeasel. Anyway, it's also the browser I'm currently typing this in ^__^.


Wow!  I actually didn't know about IceCat till now -- I definitely dig the logo more than I do the IceWeasel one. ^.^

http://www.gnu.org/software/gnuzilla/

(http://www.gnu.org/software/gnuzilla/icecat-128.png)

But yes, they have a small blurb about IceWeasel at the very end of the page -- both are ideologically the same, although as you say IceCat goes a small step further feature-wise.

This actually summarizes the IceWeasel history quite nicely:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mozilla_software_rebranding

Although the Firefox proper page has a small blurb on Trademark and Rebranding that explains why Firefox derivatives can be created quite easily.  Swiftfox is a good example of a PROPRIETARY firefox derivative that seems almost parasitic at first glance,... until you ROFL at the knowledge that there exists a SwiftWeasel too (which pretty much offers the same thing, but FOSS).  ^^;

QuoteThat's awesome, I'll be sure to look for any distinctive Piggy-senpai touches once you get around to being that involved.


We shall see... there's still the risk of getting caught up on my own OS-tan inspired game ideas.  Having played [and loved] Megaman 9 on the Wii, it made me wonder if a Tux clone of Megaman was possible (akin to how SuperTux is based off of Super Mario Bros).

QuoteGah, wouldn't you know just the day after I post this, Elbuntu closes the Gutsy repo? I would assume it has something to do with the guys at Enlightenment shifting from CVS to SVN, but the Hardy repo for Elbuntu still indicates it was compiled using CVS. Anyway, I made the mistake of uninstalling e17 from there and installing it using the OzOs repo (which in turn uses a modified EasyE17 script). In short, it sucks. Due to stability concerns, it doesn't install entrance (and I loved entrance and entranced), and it doesn't come with it's own Application sub-menu. These were both things (among others) that I had been spoiled to by Elbuntu. Anyway, I'm really missing entrance now, but at least I still have the e17 eye-candy.


Have you gotten in touch with the people that maintain this [sub?]project?  They may be able to clarify what happened -- and unless they're really busy, or already have a HUEG fanbase, they might appreciate an extra person showing interest in Elbuntu.
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Post by: IanDanKilmaster on October 01, 2008, 02:07:07 pm
Well, the Elbuntu problem is kinda solved now, I've upgraded my system to Hardy Heron (fresh install, looong story), and I'm using the Elbuntu repo for Hardy now.  Interestingly enough, I've found myself using XFCE more than anything else at the moment, but that's a different story.  I think I still might want to get in touch with these people, but I'd have to brush up on my French first.

QuoteWe shall see... there's still the risk of getting caught up on my own OS-tan inspired game ideas. Having played [and loved] Megaman 9 on the Wii, it made me wonder if a Tux clone of Megaman was possible (akin to how SuperTux is based off of Super Mario Bros).


Let me know if I can help with that, if you give me some png sprites I can try to make an AMOR creature (you can call it test of my ability to code ^__~).  If you ever get this project off the ground, I would love to be involved in any way that I can (I'm a big Megaman fan, but sadly since I don't own any current gen consoles, I can't try 9 out).

Anyway, I'm still having a little trouble with this new install, and to think it all started because I wanted to try DreamLinux...
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Post by: C-Chan on October 02, 2008, 02:25:25 pm
QuoteWell, the Elbuntu problem is kinda solved now, I've upgraded my system to Hardy Heron (fresh install, looong story), and I'm using the Elbuntu repo for Hardy now. Interestingly enough, I've found myself using XFCE more than anything else at the moment, but that's a different story. I think I still might want to get in touch with these people, but I'd have to brush up on my French first.


Oui oui....  -v-

I worked with Hardy a few days a go as well, by request from a friend who wanted to upgrade his laptop with it.  It brought back many fine memories of Xubuntu, although admittedly some of the programs look a lot nicer now.  Even installed the Ubuntu Studio theme to make the overall desktop awesome. ^^

I was thinking of installing additional desktop environments in case he wanted to give Xubuntu and Kubuntu a try too, but ran out of time and was afraid of botching my hard work.  Before that, I accidentally replaced the Ubuntu splash image with the Edubuntu during my install spree -- fortunately it was easy to get it back to normal, but I was lucky it didn't take more valuable time to fix.  ^^;

QuoteLet me know if I can help with that, if you give me some png sprites I can try to make an AMOR creature (you can call it test of my ability to code ^__~).


Well if you're gonna get that in-depth with artwork, I'd rather test your Inkscape abilities instead.  ^^
Granted, it doesn't have Animation support yet -- nevertheless, it's a lot more feasible to handmove simple shapes and nodes bit my bit than to handdraw them all.

And regardless of what you think of yourself, even you could create a simple character like the one attached.  The animation would be easy to -- blinking, wing fluttering, nose rustling (when it's clucking), and hopping (in lieu of walking).  `v'

I once thought of doing AMOR creatures too, but worried the entire scheme seemed a little too simple.  As a former game mod maker, I wanted to aim a little hire.  ^.^

QuoteIf you ever get this project off the ground, I would love to be involved in any way that I can (I'm a big Megaman fan, but sadly since I don't own any current gen consoles, I can't try 9 out).


In fairness, any hardcore MM player will find 9 to be very short (MM2 short) -- it's not like MM3 (my favorite) which seemed to go on forever).  Besides, you're a student no?  MM9 is addictive enough to keep you away from some much needed sleep.  ^.^'


I searched around and found another FOSS megaman clone called BoboBot:

http://www.newbreedsoftware.com/bobobot/

Obviously a bit dated-looking, but I hear the C code for it is very neatly written.  Certainly worth looking at for ideas on how to approach the game dynamics.  

I have some ideas for it, but probably won't say anything until I can be sure I'll be working on this -- after all, my goal at the moment is to contribute to the KDE project.  Plus, it's not the only game idea I have -- I've got an easier one that might offer a simple but expandable Pinball game for KDE/KDE4.  Kolf already uses ball bounce dynamics, so it would just be a matter of building on top of that engine (perhaps?).

Even if I did, I doubt I keep it here in the forum -- more than likely I'd move to Sourceforge or something more tech-centric, and then secure the proper free license.  

QuoteAnyway, I'm still having a little trouble with this new install, and to think it all started because I wanted to try DreamLinux...


I loved that distro, although I thought I heard their latest and greatest wasn't quite so.  ^^;

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In other news, this made me lol (a bit).  ^.^;

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Title: MEWXPZLFUDAWV Club!
Post by: IanDanKilmaster on October 02, 2008, 09:11:21 pm
QuoteI loved that distro, although I thought I heard their latest and greatest wasn't quite so. ^^;


Well, I learned the hard way how true that age old line "all that glitters" really is.  To put it bluntly, DreamLinux was a pain in the ass.  The whole reason I tried it is because I wanted to know if there was an alternative to Ubuntu (easy to use, less proprietary/more open-source, and Debian-based), and read somewhere that DreamLinux would fit the bill.  So I backed up my files (to my family's 250 GB computer), and D-BAN'd my computer (overkill, I know, but I wanted to make it as clean as I could).  Then, I downloaded DL and burned it using my family computer, ran the LiveCD... frustration.  Apparently, I failed to read the numerous complaints about how slow the DL LiveCD was, even worse, I was using a CD-RW on a computer with a dying CD/DVD-R drive.  So yeah, the installer crashed... a lot (the installer wouldn't even auto-partition despite having a "Install to whole drive" option).  I will say, however, I was really impressed with the GUI, in a word, gorgeous (it uses XFCE/GNOME with Compiz and AWN for a Leopard-esque, or clone look).  Anyway, I finally installed DreamLinux, but my problems weren't over yet.  I thought that since it was recommended by Debian themselves, that security updates should be done right away, I updated... and the GUI snafu'd (not during the update, but after it was installed and the comp was restarted).  So, I naturally assumed it was because my less recent version of DL (3.2) lacked compatibility with the update.  So I looked up how to get the most recent .iso, and discovered it would require me to execute a shell script.  This is where I'm a little perturbed, you see I realize that a shell script is kind of kiddie stuff to people who are familiar with Linux, but I was actually expecting this OS to be a little more user-friendly (perhaps I was given a false impression, perhaps I made a false assumption, in which case, my bad). I burned the DL3.3 .iso and installed it, but I learned that the problem I had with updating had more to do with not going through the proper channels (using the dream-update before standard apt-get update) than the version I was using. After all the work, I decided it wasn't worth the hassle and started working getting the latest Kubuntu .iso.  DL was also a little bit of a burden on my system (old Gateway doesn't like Compiz), and the OS seemed to lack the flexibility I'm used to with Ubuntu.  I did have problems initially with the Kubuntu installation, but given that there's more support available through forums and blogs for Kubuntu, I was able to fix it (I think).  So, I'm slowly treading through the process of transferring my files back to my compy.  XFCE is acting just a tad buggy so I'm hoping to work that out first.

Interesting note:  XFCE's built-in compositing runs just fine and pretty smooth with AWN (I haven't noticed any significant impact on the speed of my system).

QuoteWell if you're gonna get that in-depth with artwork, I'd rather test your Inkscape abilities instead. ^^
Granted, it doesn't have Animation support yet -- nevertheless, it's a lot more feasible to handmove simple shapes and nodes bit my bit than to handdraw them all.

And regardless of what you think of yourself, even you could create a simple character like the one attached. The animation would be easy to -- blinking, wing fluttering, nose rustling (when it's clucking), and hopping (in lieu of walking). `v'

I once thought of doing AMOR creatures too, but worried the entire scheme seemed a little too simple. As a former game mod maker, I wanted to aim a little hire. ^.^


I appreciate your faith in me, Kamina-san... err, I mean, Piggy-senpai, but I was speaking of using .png sprites you'd supply ^__^.  I've already experimented with using sprites from Capcom games (converted from .gifs) to make creatures (all I'd be doing is writing a script to tell AMOR how to place and move the character).  Yet, if you think I can do it, I guess there's no harm in giving it a try (rather, more of a try)

QuoteIn fairness, any hardcore MM player will find 9 to be very short (MM2 short) -- it's not like MM3 (my favorite) which seemed to go on forever). Besides, you're a student no? MM9 is addictive enough to keep you away from some much needed sleep. ^.^'


I guess this is a side-effect of being reluctant to change my profile information, but I'm currently taking time away from school (don't get me wrong, I loved theatre but classes were burning me out).  Besides, with the economy in the shape it's in, and tuition going up I don't know if I'd be able to afford all the expenses.  Anyway, my resuming of my old online activities is more or less a direct result of my time away from school.  Of course, I don't know if it'll be a good idea to get me immediately involved in any projects, 'cos I have a trip to Texas coming up (I'll be spending a little over a month with my brother who lives there).  I'm sure I'll have access to the internet and I'll probably be bringing a LiveCD (if I figure out how, I might also use persistence), but I'm not sure if I'll be able to do any work like that.  Still, I might consider offering my support.

BTW. I wouldn't consider myself a die-hard MM fan, but I own MM8 and have played most of the earlier ones.

In more MEWXPZLFUDAWV Club-related news:  Macs used in making of "I'm a PC" ads. (http://www.pcworld.com/article/151315/macs_produced_part_of_microsofts_im_a_pc_ads.html)
lulz (http://www.flickr.com/photos/ldiazsantana/2869094754/)

I'm sorry for the TL;DR.  I don't normally have so many problems, ha.
Title: MEWXPZLFUDAWV Club!
Post by: C-Chan on October 03, 2008, 12:53:43 am
QuoteWell, I learned the hard way how true that age old line "all that glitters" really is.

...

*HUEG rant about DreamLinux*

...

Interesting note: XFCE's built-in compositing runs just fine and pretty smooth with AWN (I haven't noticed any significant impact on the speed of my system).


Ah, so the legends were true,... the latest versions do suck.  ^____^

I installed an older version (a strictly XFCE one) on an ancient Gateway computer that gave trouble to many of the other distros (even display problems with the then Puppy 2.x).  It was fast and sleek, and the kids who inherited it absolutely loved it.  

However, I do recall (and this was a common admonishment from its users) how easy it was to bork the system when installing stuff from Synaptic.  That's because many of the tweaks applied to vanilla DL were incompatible with some of the programs (and their respective libraries) from Debian Stable.  Hence, it was a classic example of mixing Stable and Unstable apps, and paying the consequences thereof if you chose the wrong combination.  ^.^;

The same is true with the AsusOS and the AcerOS -- installing stuff from their parent Xandros/Debian and Fedora Core repositories (respectively) can't be as nilly-willy as with Ubuntu because they're almost entirely different systems.

Honestly, why can't more of these distro variants host their own freakin repos.... ¬¬

QuoteI appreciate your faith in me, Kamina-san... err, I mean, Piggy-senpai, but I was speaking of using .png sprites you'd supply ^__^. I've already experimented with using sprites from Capcom games (converted from .gifs) to make creatures (all I'd be doing is writing a script to tell AMOR how to place and move the character). Yet, if you think I can do it, I guess there's no harm in giving it a try (rather, more of a try)


BWAHAHAHA!!!  I can barely draw artwork I promised people a year ago!  ^V^

Nah, if you want simple PNG sprites from me, just pull some OS-tan Minis from the Mini Midnight Madness thread (the SVG source files for some of them are also accessible from the Downloads section).

Otherwise, I won't be animating anything until I finish my PyQt4 training.  -v-

Oh, and yes I do trust you with Inkscape.  Once you start using it, you'll wonder where it's been all your life.  ^v^

(note: just a reminder, I have an Inkscape Tutorial thread in the OS-tan art section)

Quote
I guess this is a side-effect of being reluctant to change my profile information, but I'm currently taking time away from school (don't get me wrong, I loved theatre but classes were burning me out). Besides, with the economy in the shape it's in, and tuition going up I don't know if I'd be able to afford all the expenses. Anyway, my resuming of my old online activities is more or less a direct result of my time away from school.

Of course, I don't know if it'll be a good idea to get me immediately involved in any projects, 'cos I have a trip to Texas coming up (I'll be spending a little over a month with my brother who lives there). I'm sure I'll have access to the internet and I'll probably be bringing a LiveCD (if I figure out how, I might also use persistence), but I'm not sure if I'll be able to do any work like that. Still, I might consider offering my support.


Aa sou sou.  ^.^
The move sounds a bit unorthodox, but courageous.  I like that.  ^^

To many people forget that education is meant to enrich the mind and the soul -- if college were simply about getting the best possible grades for the best possible job, would-be students could just save their money and go to a vocational school.  Instead, students/parents have grown used to simply forking over obscene sums of money in the hopes that cloistered, finance-ignorant post-adolescents can magically be transformed into genius savants.  And by relinquishing so much control, they fail to get the education to mold to the wants and needs of the student (making the student literally pay to work on stuff that might not necessarily be stimulating).

In short, if you want to take a break to rest your mind and take of your money, do so.  It's your money, your future and your prudence, and no one can tell you better what to do than yourself. ^__^

Preaching-to-the-Choir-style Pep Talk aside, I can assure you that you don't have to worry about me.  I won't start any gaming project for a while, because I (like you) am still in the process of studying programming myself.  And when it comes to studying, Silence is Golden.  ^___~

QuoteBTW. I wouldn't consider myself a die-hard MM fan, but I own MM8 and have played most of the earlier ones.


I liked how MM8 looked, but do agree with the critics that it was kind of easy.  I beat it in a single rental. ^___^

I played most of the classic MMs and MM X/X2, but that's about it.  Not die hard myself, but certainly appreciative of the series -- enough to give in and get the Protoman download for MM9.  ^^;

I've always said that everyone's allowed at least ONE weakness.....  -v-

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In more MEWXPZLFUDAWV Club-related news: Macs used in making of "I'm a PC" ads.
lulz


Oh yeah, that be old news but certainly unreported!  Good job! ^-^

My coworkers and I were ROFLing when we read a similar article.

Oh, and for the record...

"I'm an Amiga!"  ^v^

*chortle chortle snicker snicker*
Title: MEWXPZLFUDAWV Club!
Post by: Bella on October 10, 2008, 02:21:20 pm
I know this is SOOOOO old....but it made me laugh when I went back and read it:

QuoteWell no, thank YOU for listening and believing in yourself. Any lesser women would have just let all my advice drift into one ear and fly out the other. -v-


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BELIEVE IN ME, WHO BELIEVES IN YOU!
C-Chan = New Kamina? Wait and see in the next episode of Tengen Toppa Gurren OS-Tan!



OMG! Nejin-san is right! C-Chan, your new nickname for life is gonna be C-Chamina. Yoko Ritona cosplay Bella says so.

(http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s320/BellasOS-tans/bella3.png)

But all has been well with K8 since the reinstallation; it's actually running Windows XP SP1, which can only be good.

In Linux in Unexpected Places news, I found myself in Lowe's--a big hardware/home store, like Home Depot-- tagging along on a search for a snowthrower for the coming winter. It's funny, cause since I started learning about different computers and OSes, I've taken more notice of different OSes and computers I encounter everyday. Well, I passed some very old looking computers in one of the departments and...gasp...what are they running? ZOMG! Linux! Well, I dunno that for sure, but I can say they were running GNOME, I'd recognize that anywhere. All the computers there seemed to be running Linux.

In Ad Nauseum news, I've been seeing those new "I'm a PC" Windows ads quite a bit. Initially, I found this ad to be a lot more effective than the other Billy Boy/Seinfeld ads, and a lot less....nonsensical...cause they actually drive the point that PCs can be used by people of all professions and interests. Golly, I'd say PCs and their users are even more diverse than these Windows ads make them out to be, cause some actually run real OSes! Unix, Linux, BSD, OS/2, a boatload of clones, and some real hardcore technical ones like Plan 9 and FreeVMS can all be run on PCs. I can honestly say I'm a PC, and I know there's life outside of Windows.

But M$'s hijacking of PC name is not my only problem with these ads. While the Mac vs. PC ads make the point that these dudes are representing the computers themselves, in the M$ "I'm a PC" ads this point gets completely lost. One thing really perplexes me, though-- how the bloody hell did M$ get the deeply profound, existential philosopher Deepak FRICKIN' Chopra to cameo in these ads!!!!?!!!? Lud, I guess everyone has their price, but I wouldn't expect someone like that doing a shill for such an evil company (or any company really).

Yoko Ritona cosplay Bella is damn confused.

(http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s320/BellasOS-tans/bella4.png)
Title: MEWXPZLFUDAWV Club!
Post by: IanDanKilmaster on October 10, 2008, 11:15:13 pm
QuoteOMG! Nejin-san is right! C-Chan, your new nickname for life is gonna be C-Chamina. Yoko Ritona cosplay Bella says so.


Hmmm, visualizing Piggy-senpai with glasses and a cape...

Also, Yoko cosplay should be the official stamp of approval for all MEWXPZLFUDAWV Club business... whenever there is business to be had that is.

QuoteIn Linux in Unexpected Places news, I found myself in Lowe's--a big hardware/home store, like Home Depot-- tagging along on a search for a snowthrower for the coming winter. It's funny, cause since I started learning about different computers and OSes, I've taken more notice of different OSes and computers I encounter everyday. Well, I passed some very old looking computers in one of the departments and...gasp...what are they running? ZOMG! Linux! Well, I dunno that for sure, but I can say they were running GNOME, I'd recognize that anywhere. All the computers there seemed to be running Linux.


Now that I think of it, I think I noticed the same thing when I was Lowe's some time ago.  For some reason that just sounds awfully familiar.  Anyway, I do know there are a number of businesses that use Linux, two of which were sued by SCO (Autozone and Daimler-Chrysler).  I have to wonder if the people who work at these places are even aware they are using Linux.

QuoteBut M$'s hijacking of PC name is not my only problem with these ads. While the Mac vs. PC ads make the point that these dudes are representing the computers themselves, in the M$ "I'm a PC" ads this point gets completely lost. One thing really perplexes me, though-- how the bloody hell did M$ get the deeply profound, existential philosopher Deepak FRICKIN' Chopra to cameo in these ads!!!!?!!!? Lud, I guess everyone has their price, but I wouldn't expect someone like that doing a shill for such an evil company (or any company really).


Despite my disdain for M$ and my interest in Mac, I have to cry foul on this one.  Arguably, it was Apple who started equating PC to software, when in their Mac vs. PC ads they used security as a subject of critique in one of their ads.  As far as I understand, security (as in safety from virii) is really a matter of what OS or kernel you are running and not really something you can affect with hardware.  As far as the second thing goes, try not to let it bother you.  I know Deepak Chopra is kinda revered as a champion of spiritualism and philosophy, but there are better examples of modern philosophers out there and I am proud to say I have met them.  Gah, I hope I did not sound like that douche Ballmer talking about the ads.

P.S.   Does anyone know of a LiveCD that comes with IDLE?  Also, is there a LiveUSB I can run with persistence on 2GB Flash drive?
Title: MEWXPZLFUDAWV Club!
Post by: C-Chan on October 12, 2008, 02:54:55 am
Thought I'd check back here.  -v-

QuoteEntirely custom-made wallpaper, half inkscape, half shoopdawoopage.


With extra woopage.  Not bad, not bad at all.  ;)

QuoteAnyway, I should also note that I can not take credit for the Morrigan walls, they were done by a guy who calls himself ARK. He seems to be making these all the time, and he is really good. I must warn you, while I do not think there is any actual nudity in his walls, they tend to be highly suggestive and would not class them all as SFW.


Naaaaaaaaah... could've sworn she were a puritan.  :)

QuoteKDE, using Openbox, xcompmgr compositing, kinda Halloween-themed wall.


Wow, that's a hodgepodge of elements.  Never thought of replacing Kwin with Openbox -- gives it an interesting XFCE-like flavor.  Thought that was Simdock, but based on the shape and reflection of the dock floor, pretty sure it's Avant WN.  :D

QuoteXFCE, using xfwm compositing, Halloween-themed wall.


I see you like your XFCE panels minimalistic.  I usually end up cramming them Full o' Crap.  :p

QuoteBtw, that pic is not my creation. I found it while doing wild search and I can't find the creator name. So whoever create the pic, kudos to you and I don't use it for making money.


The OS is pretty standard fare these days... but I can't help but feel inexplicably drawn to this picture.  Probably cause of the giant mermaids.  ^.^

*lecherous grin*

QuoteI know this is SOOOOO old....but it made me laugh when I went back and read it:


QuoteOMG! Nejin-san is right! C-Chan, your new nickname for life is gonna be C-Chamina. Yoko Ritona cosplay Bella says so.


Well usually I reserve my "huh" moments when you talk about tv programs and not Anime, but here I draw an exception.

Huh?  ^^;

On the other hand, Bella-hime's Yoko Whatsis cosplay deserves at least 3 or 4 servings of "humina humina".  ^.^

Or "hummus hummus"?  I forget now... -v-

QuoteBut all has been well with K8 since the reinstallation; it's actually running Windows XP SP1, which can only be good.


Still very proud of you for that.  A while ago I reinstalled a Windows machine for a client (for a fee of course), and the process reminded me of you as the owner was a bit skitish himself.  Despite the fact that I already made duplicate and reduplicates of his data.  ^^;

Quotetagging along on a search for a snowthrower for the coming winter.


Wait... don't you just need a hand and glove to throw snow?  ^.^'

QuoteZOMG! Linux! Well, I dunno that for sure, but I can say they were running GNOME, I'd recognize that anywhere. All the computers there seemed to be running Linux.


wow!   Was that in the aisles or in one of the work offices/registers?  If memory serves, Walmart, Lowes and Sam's Club are all owned by the same people -- and since it was Walmart that sold the gOS machines in store for a while, perhaps some of that "Linucism" rubbed off on them.  Or at least they'd better appreciate the cost savings of the technology... though sadly, not for the sake of improving anybody's wages.  ^^;

QuoteI can honestly say I'm a PC, and I know there's life outside of Windows.


Actually, I decided I wanted to be an Amiga anyway, just for the hell of being different.  ^.^

But I have certainly advertised that very point before, in addition to also scolding Apple for popularizing the misconception to begin with.

QuoteWhile the Mac vs. PC ads make the point that these dudes are representing the computers themselves, in the M$ "I'm a PC" ads this point gets completely lost.


And the commercials are made on Macs, as Ian had pointed out earlier.  ^.^
Besides, they were relative rush jobs since they were just a polite way of pulling the plug on the failed Seinfeld commercials.  Their prerequisite was simple: create commercials that don't suck that much, and they'll look better by default.

Seinfeld was the "ME" and 'I'm a PC' was the XP,... but doesn't change the fact they're both Windows.  ^^;

QuoteOne thing really perplexes me, though-- how the bloody hell did M$ get the deeply profound, existential philosopher Deepak FRICKIN' Chopra to cameo in these ads!!!!?!!!? Lud, I guess everyone has their price, but I wouldn't expect someone like that doing a shill for such an evil company (or any company really).


Can't speak for the guy (never even heard of him until now), but as I like to say: "As imperfect beings as we are, we're all allowed at least one weakness that goes against the very grain of our ideals."

My own weakness is the Wii, one of the most locked video game consoles of all time, but by GAWD it captivates me.  Â¯^¯

Also, a few months ago I met with a young lady who adored Microsoft/Bill Gates after reading about how much money or software they donated to schools in third world.  This is exclusive of knowledge of how small the donation was relative to their net worth, or the fact that the donations were only to select countries and to some extent politically-motivated -- what mattered is that it felt touchy-feely enough to shield M$ of criticism in her mind (or at least not think too badly of its efforts).  

No one can rise from poverty on charity alone, that's not the point of it.  Never has the term "Killing with Kindness" been so applicable in this respect.

In any event,... the point of my tangent is that I wonder if Mr. Chopra is not unlike my friend.

QuoteYoko Ritona cosplay Bella is damn confused.


You should probably update your Wishlist Of Life to state that you plan to dress like that in public some day.  ^__^

Humina Hummus!  ^.^

QuoteHmmm, visualizing Piggy-senpai with glasses and a cape...

Also, Yoko cosplay should be the official stamp of approval for all MEWXPZLFUDAWV Club business... whenever there is business to be had that is.


Okay, I'm gonna "huh" here once more. ^^;

QuoteDespite my disdain for M$ and my interest in Mac, I have to cry foul on this one. Arguably, it was Apple who started equating PC to software, when in their Mac vs. PC ads they used security as a subject of critique in one of their ads. As far as I understand, security (as in safety from virii) is really a matter of what OS or kernel you are running and not really something you can affect with hardware.


My thoughts exactly, although as a counterpoint to that, I must admit that specifying it as "Windows PC" would have been too long and awkward for the kind of commercial they were doing -- not to mention the possibility of Copyright infringement (the M$ ones never mention Apple or Mac explicitly, no?).  I'm no lawyer of course, but between the need to make simple commercials for ever simpler minds (GAWD, I miss the ol' days when advertisements were written in paragraphs) and also the need to avoid being too explicit about its rival products, they opted for the most marketable choice.  A smart choice for marketing, even if it's brain-dead st00pid technology-wise.  ^^;

QuoteAs far as the second thing goes, try not to let it bother you. I know Deepak Chopra is kinda revered as a champion of spiritualism and philosophy, but there are better examples of modern philosophers out there and I am proud to say I have met them.


Ah, of course he must be referring to ME, the wannaba piggy philosopher.  Why thank ye, Ian-san.  ^.^

Time for a C-chan Existential Moment:

"Be the change you want to see in the World!"

--C-chan*

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* Actually ripped off from Ghandi

Speaking of silly stuff, here's some toilet humor related to all these advertisements.  Has enough little techie details (like the spinning Mac OSX wheel) to make me LOL....

http://linuxshellaccount.blogspot.com/2008/10/mac-pc-linux-south-park-style.html

QuoteP.S. Does anyone know of a LiveCD that comes with IDLE? Also, is there a LiveUSB I can run with persistence on 2GB Flash drive?


This one might satisfy BOTH requirements, since it comes preinstalled with Python stuff AND is based on Puppy Linux (which downright SWIMS in 2GB, and yes with persistence):

http://www.puppylinux.org/downloads/puplets/dingoplus

Keep in mind, though, Puppy v4.1 came out a few days ago, so this Puplet is likely transitioning its packages to that release.

Puppy 4.1 is great, btw!  It's the first puppy to have inserted drives appear on the desktop, just like in KDE and GNOME.  It's amazing how much more intuitive that makes things over having to access Pmount all the time.  ^.^
Title: MEWXPZLFUDAWV Club!
Post by: IanDanKilmaster on October 12, 2008, 04:50:36 am
You might want to consider editing your post senpai... I assume you made a goof with your notepad and accidentally copy/pasted your post from "Post Your Desktop".  However, this works a bit to my advantage in giving me an opportunity to kill two birds with one bush, err, a bush in the bush is worth one in the, aw f*** it - I'm just going to reply to things I would've replied to in the other thread here to save time.

QuoteNaaaaaaaaah... could've sworn she were a puritan.


In the context of the game's title "Vampire Savior", that statement takes on quite a humorous meaning... that was your intention, right ;) ?

QuoteWow, that's a hodgepodge of elements. Never thought of replacing Kwin with Openbox -- gives it an interesting XFCE-like flavor. Thought that was Simdock, but based on the shape and reflection of the dock floor, pretty sure it's Avant WN.


Honestly it wouldn't have occurred to me either, had it not been for the entry being automatically added in my session manager.  Now that I've learned the command for swapping out window managers during an active session, I'm trying all kinds of things (funny thing is, XFCE/kwin seems awfully light on RAM when used together).  I've used the other docks available in the repos, kooldock and simdock, and both had bugs that I have yet to encounter with AWN.

QuoteI see you like your XFCE panels minimalistic. I usually end up cramming them Full o' Crap.


Well, if you've seen my other posts in "Post Your Desktop", you know I have a thing for minimalism.  While it is more a side effect of having to use onboard intel video with little RAM, I've become endeared to the utility of minimalism.  It has a pleasing aesthetic to me.

QuoteAlso, a few months ago I met with a young lady who adored Microsoft/Bill Gates after reading about how much money or software they donated to schools in third world. This is exclusive of knowledge of how small the donation was relative to their net worth, or the fact that the donations were only to select countries and to some extent politically-motivated -- what mattered is that it felt touchy-feely enough to shield M$ of criticism in her mind (or at least not think too badly of its efforts).


I know this is really going to sound like that cynical side of me just starting to show, but Gatesy, like so many other billionaires that have been butthurt by the feds, uses charity for that very reason - to save face in the public eye.  While the tactics M$ has used in business have been widely publicized, not many people care because of this kind of "good nature" that is exhibited by the company's founder.  Blah, I know this is old news to you senpai, just thought I'd add my 2 cents.

QuoteOkay, I'm gonna "huh" here once more. ^^;


I take it you haven't seen Gurren Lagann (http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gurren_Lagann)?

QuoteMy thoughts exactly, although as a counterpoint to that, I must admit that specifying it as "Windows PC" would have been too long and awkward for the kind of commercial they were doing -- not to mention the possibility of Copyright infringement (the M$ ones never mention Apple or Mac explicitly, no?). I'm no lawyer of course, but between the need to make simple commercials for ever simpler minds (GAWD, I miss the ol' days when advertisements were written in paragraphs) and also the need to avoid being too explicit about its rival products, they opted for the most marketable choice. A smart choice for marketing, even if it's brain-dead st00pid technology-wise. ^^;


It's certainly something I understand from a marketing standpoint, but it's something that gets incredibly frustrating when having to explain things to my less computer-savvy family.

QuoteAh, of course he must be referring to ME, the wannaba piggy philosopher. Why thank ye, Ian-san. ^.^


Well, my time in college wasn't entirely devoted to Theatre (in fact, most of it was devoted to a very hated department, BUSINESS), I also spent a good deal of hours courting the possibility of a Philosophy major.  In my Philosophy courses, I was taught by the head of the department (I would say he is a genius philosopher himself, he's the guy who finally challenged me to think for myself), and I even got the opportunity to meet Niall Shanks (google him), who was not only a brilliant philosopher but a great conversationalist, too (I even got him to autograph a book).  Of course, I would consider you quite the FOSS philosopher.

QuoteSpeaking of silly stuff, here's some toilet humor related to all these advertisements. Has enough little techie details (like the spinning Mac OSX wheel) to make me LOL....


I love South Park, I only wish I saw this before I got sick of the Mac vs. PC parody ads.  It's funny, just that it seems to be too familiar a territory by now.

QuoteThis one might satisfy BOTH requirements, since it comes preinstalled with Python stuff AND is based on Puppy Linux (which downright SWIMS in 2GB, and yes with persistence)...


I'll have to dl this tomorrow, I'm trying to get something I can use while I'm in Texas for 6 weeks (starting this Tuesday).  I need to keep my Linux and Python skills honed until I return to my desktop.

BTW.  When I installed Kubuntu this time around, I learned that I could actually name my compy something other than "*-desktop", so my computer has an actual name now - Mika.
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Post by: NejinOniwa on October 12, 2008, 06:36:51 am
QuoteI take it you haven't seen Gurren Lagann?

The awesomeness of Piggy Kamina is its obliviousness of itself. -w-
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Post by: IanDanKilmaster on October 12, 2008, 12:22:57 pm
QuoteThe awesomeness of Piggy Kamina is its obliviousness of itself. -w-


Indeed.
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Post by: C-Chan on October 13, 2008, 01:24:59 am
[embarrassed] Ahhhhhh.... no replies for me.  Evidently I need to crawl into a corner and roll myself into a ball in shame, for more than one reason.  ^_____^;

*crawls to corner and rolls self into a ball in shame*
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Post by: IanDanKilmaster on October 13, 2008, 02:32:50 pm
If you could pop out of your "ball o' shame" for just a moment senpai :p, I could use your help regarding DingoPlus.  How should I put it on my flash drive?  Should I try a CLI method, install and use unetbootin, or is there another way?  I would prefer a method that would insure it could work on any computer that has a BIOS that supports USB boots.  PCLinuxOS' and NimbleX's USB installs from LiveCD never worked for me, Incognito's did work however.  I'm not really sure what is going on there, but I'm pretty sure it has something to do with the LILO or GRUB menu.  Anyway, as much as you've talked about Puppy Linux in the past, I'm sure you have a method that has worked out for you, right?  In particular, I'd also appreciate any recommendations you have for a set up with a 2GB limitation.
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Post by: C-Chan on October 13, 2008, 03:47:40 pm
*pops out of ball*  Sadly, I don't have my discs on me, so I'm gonna have to work off of memory.  ^__^

You'll still need a Puppy LiveCD for the easier method, so if you haven't already burn a copy and go into LiveCD mode.  Once in, plug in your blank USB drive.

In one of the top three folders in the Puppy Application Menu, there should be a folder called System or Setup (or something along the lines).  There should be an option called "Universal Installer".  One of the first options, in fact, is to install Puppy on a USB flash drive, which you want to select.

Given you want a Live environment with persistence, make sure it gets you to do a "Frugal" install, and choose a Pup storage file of about 1.5GBs or so.  

As far as booting goes, there's gonna be several options to choose from.  Make sure you read the Wizard screens carefully to pick out the most reliable one, and be sure to test it when you're done!!  ;)

And of course, just in case, be sure to take the Puppy LiveCD as well.

EDIT: Aha! Here's confirmation!  :D

http://www.pendrivelinux.com/2006/03/25/puppy-linux-on-usb/

Added after 1 minutes:

Here's something a little bit more explicit:

http://puppylinux.com/flash-puppy.htm
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Post by: NejinOniwa on October 13, 2008, 05:42:21 pm
I actually tried that once, it's remarkably easy to accomplish.


On another topic, X64 XP-chan has been failing me a lot lately... >_<
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Post by: C-Chan on October 14, 2008, 11:10:31 am
QuoteI actually tried that once, it's remarkably easy to accomplish.


The Nejin speaks Truthfully.  ^^

QuoteOn another topic, X64 XP-chan has been failing me a lot lately... >_<


She's not on the computer with the thermal paste problems, is she?  @@'
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Post by: NejinOniwa on October 14, 2008, 02:26:20 pm
Well, technically speaking it's the same hard drive, PSU and the same box...but the rest of it is greatly updated (because of the RHD 4870 Gfx-card, though, it still has some HIIGH temperature problems at times...like GPU going over 90 degrees C when I play Mass Effect, and so on). The only downside to DELTA, really, is that she runs XP-64...damn you M$, damn you!
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Post by: C-Chan on October 14, 2008, 03:02:56 pm
Fufu.. if it goes past 90C, I'd be hard pressed to insist it's more hardware problems.  ^______^;

Then again, 64-bit technology is still relatively new.  Had oodles of problems back in the day with 64-bit *Buntu -- all of it went away when I switched to 32-bit versions (and later on to other distros).  :P

Added after 38 seconds:

BTW, don't forget to tell us how Hardy your Party went.  ;)
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Post by: NejinOniwa on October 14, 2008, 03:24:00 pm
I know, but I'm almost about to start thinking it's thermometer problems. Here's the deal; Catalyst AI, the driver set for ATI/AMD graphics cards, have a built-in overclocking tool, which also comes with a thermometer and gpu load meter. Thing is, when my GPU says it's at 94 degrees...the scale on the thermometer is just a bit over the yellow area in the half. Not even red. So apparently, it's supposed to be that way. Which I totally WTF at, but meh, that's how it is. Anyway, it's more that the graphics card heat the rest of the comp up so much it all goes waaaay high, like, 60-65 on both mobo and cpu, and then things start to protest, so to say... >_>
So my chassis is open. ^^

And yeah, 64-bit tech is pretty new, and pretty unimplemented, and pretty damn much abandoned by M$...but still, pretty underestimated, too.

And the Party Hard will have to wait for another time, since I was just kidnapped by my family last night, eating dinner at Texas Longhorn, and consuming LOTS OF BEEF. =w= That said, it was pretty crazy, but not because of the alcohol, rather because it's just, well, my family. They're not up to my level, but, well, on the same scale, at least. Imagine the rest yourselves. ^.^;
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Post by: C-Chan on October 15, 2008, 12:15:27 am
QuoteAnyway, it's more that the graphics card heat the rest of the comp up so much it all goes waaaay high, like, 60-65 on both mobo and cpu, and then things start to protest, so to say... >_>
So my chassis is open. ^^


Le sigh.... You sir are in dire need of MASSIVE amounts of liquid cooling....  -v-

btw, what kind of games and/or programs do you use that require so much processing power?  Wow, I mean I could cook waffles on that thing!  @v@'

Quote
And yeah, 64-bit tech is pretty new, and pretty unimplemented, and pretty damn much abandoned by M$...but still, pretty underestimated, too.


Unless you use IRIX, which gives 64-bit processors a lot of luv.  ^.^

Then again,... I don't think that's gonna help you in your current predicament.  Might have if you have a boatload of money and this were 1999.  ^^;;;

*laughs at own bad geek joke*

....

*curls into a ball in shame*

Quote
And the Party Hard will have to wait for another time, since I was just kidnapped by my family last night, eating dinner at Texas Longhorn, and consuming LOTS OF BEEF. =w= That said, it was pretty crazy, but not because of the alcohol, rather because it's just, well, my family. They're not up to my level, but, well, on the same scale, at least. Imagine the rest yourselves. ^.^;


That sounds pleasant, but... to imagine what you mean... hmmmm.... a family of Nejin's,.....

*image of Alex Louis Armstrong's family comes to mind*

.................fufu... ^.^
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Post by: NejinOniwa on October 15, 2008, 01:55:23 pm
QuoteLe sigh.... You sir are in dire need of MASSIVE amounts of liquid cooling.... -v-

btw, what kind of games and/or programs do you use that require so much processing power? Wow, I mean I could cook waffles on that thing! @v@'
Ahahaha~ ^-^
Yeah, LC will probably be the next investment I do on this lady, that's for sure. And it's not that it requires much processing power, but more that massively HQ texturing and lots of Anti-Aliasing and the such...makes your graphics card BURN. And even if it doesn't actually BURN, since it's heat-resistant or something, the rest of the computer does, if you're not careful. ^-^;

QuoteUnless you use IRIX, which gives 64-bit processors a lot of luv. ^.^

Then again,... I don't think that's gonna help you in your current predicament. Might have if you have a boatload of money and this were 1999. ^^;;;

*laughs at own bad geek joke*

....

*curls into a ball in shame*

...I didn't quite catch that, so I'll just settle for YOU AS DINNER TONIGHT, SEMPAI. >:3

QuoteThat sounds pleasant, but... to imagine what you mean... hmmmm.... a family of Nejin's,.....

*image of Alex Louis Armstrong's family comes to mind*

.................fufu... ^.^

I was almost forgetting my FMA history there...
And in that sense, it's actually more like...

...err....
*thinks HARD*
...nah, better not even try. I'll break before I find a good match, seriously ^v^;;

Added after 5 hours 25 minutes:

On another hand, the first FX3.1 beta just got released. I'M ON THIS TRAIN, BOYS!
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Post by: Bella on October 17, 2008, 11:10:09 pm
QuoteHmmm, visualizing Piggy-senpai with glasses and a cape...


(http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s320/BellasOS-tans/kamina.png)

Wut lol.

QuoteNow that I think of it, I think I noticed the same thing when I was Lowe's some time ago. For some reason that just sounds awfully familiar. Anyway, I do know there are a number of businesses that use Linux, two of which were sued by SCO (Autozone and Daimler-Chrysler). I have to wonder if the people who work at these places are even aware they are using Linux.


Ah, yes, I remember hearing about that flap. I also know...some famous guitar string manufacturer uses Linux.

But Amazon.com...nope, they use VMS machines (or so I've heard).

QuoteWell usually I reserve my "huh" moments when you talk about tv programs and not Anime, but here I draw an exception.

Huh? ^^;

On the other hand, Bella-hime's Yoko Whatsis cosplay deserves at least 3 or 4 servings of "humina humina". ^.^

Or "hummus hummus"? I forget now... -v-


Somebody needs to catch up on their Gurren Laggan :P

QuoteActually, I decided I wanted to be an Amiga anyway, just for the hell of being different. ^.^

But I have certainly advertised that very point before, in addition to also scolding Apple for popularizing the misconception to begin with.


Oh. Wait. Actually, I'm a VAX! I'm big and scary and sustain myself on the blood of Skiddies and 1337 h4xors who attempt to crack me.

QuoteCan't speak for the guy (never even heard of him until now), but as I like to say: "As imperfect beings as we are, we're all allowed at least one weakness that goes against the very grain of our ideals."

My own weakness is the Wii, one of the most locked video game consoles of all time, but by GAWD it captivates me. ¯^¯


That's very well put...

And speaking of the Wii, I recently got to try one out. My friend just got it, and he was showing it off. At first I was a bit cynical (seeing as my favorite computer games involve text commands), but I started playing Wii Sports...it's actually a lot of fun!

...But the golfing was damned frustrating >__<

QuoteAlso, a few months ago I met with a young lady who adored Microsoft/Bill Gates after reading about how much money or software they donated to schools in third world. This is exclusive of knowledge of how small the donation was relative to their net worth, or the fact that the donations were only to select countries and to some extent politically-motivated -- what mattered is that it felt touchy-feely enough to shield M$ of criticism in her mind (or at least not think too badly of its efforts).

No one can rise from poverty on charity alone, that's not the point of it. Never has the term "Killing with Kindness" been so applicable in this respect.

In any event,... the point of my tangent is that I wonder if Mr. Chopra is not unlike my friend.


You know, I actually know a boy who's quite enamored with Billy Boy himself. He thinks he should run for president! (A very scary thought to me, unless Steve Jobs could be the veep.)

QuoteYou should probably update your Wishlist Of Life to state that you plan to dress like that in public some day. ^__^

Humina Hummus! ^.^


Meh, I couldn't pull it off. ^//////////^

*checks*

Oh lawd I'm off topic.

*searches for topic*
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Post by: NejinOniwa on October 18, 2008, 12:51:18 pm
Quote from: "Bella"
(http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s320/BellasOS-tans/kamina.png)

Wut lol.

DOOOORYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
SEEEEMPAAAAAAI
WHY ARE YOU SO GAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRR!?!!?!!?!?
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Post by: C-Chan on October 19, 2008, 02:59:21 pm
QuoteWut lol.


I'm cosplaying Alto from Macross Frontier?  O-O

QuoteSomebody needs to catch up on their Gurren Laggan :P


In fairness, I can kinda do that now.  Very well, I'm putting that on my queue.  ^.^

Right now, though, I'm giving priorities to all series with interesting size comparisons. Meaning I finally got down and finished Girls Bravo and Mahoromatic.  *cough*  ^///^


QuoteOh. Wait. Actually, I'm a VAX! I'm big and scary and sustain myself on the blood of Skiddies and 1337 h4xors who attempt to crack me.


And you hang around at Amazon.  ^.^


QuoteAnd speaking of the Wii, I recently got to try one out. My friend just got it, and he was showing it off. At first I was a bit cynical (seeing as my favorite computer games involve text commands), but I started playing Wii Sports...it's actually a lot of fun!

...But the golfing was damned frustrating >__<


Golfing might get better with that new motion enhancement thingie coming out early next year, since it might be possible to more accurately measure your movement -- not just the force of your swing, but also the length of the arc and the direction the ball is being hit.

Super Swing Golf takes into account most of those things, but lacks the intuitive "just swing" control that makes Wii Golf feel a little more natural.  The tradeoff, though, is that Wii Golf is too darn sensitive for its own good.  >.<

But I do enjoy it, though.  Just a matter of getting the hang of it, though its not like there aren't many other fun Wii games to try out.  ^^

QuoteYou know, I actually know a boy who's quite enamored with Billy Boy himself. He thinks he should run for president! (A very scary thought to me, unless Steve Jobs could be the veep.)


Enamored?  Oo'
Funny thing is he could win what I call a "Schwarzeneggerean Victory", where fame and curiousity swamp common sense.  -.-

QuoteDOOOORYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
SEEEEMPAAAAAAI
WHY ARE YOU SO GAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRR!?!!?!!?!?


Maybe I did too many GAAAAARgles this morning?  ^^

*laughs at own VERY bad pun*

Assuming I'm Alto, I want my Nene-sama... NAU!!!  ^0^
(Although I wouldn't mind a Klan-chan either.)  -.-

==============

In other news, curiosity may have killed the cat but only scratched the pig.  I wanna check ALT Linux out....  -.-

http://reddevil62-techhead.blogspot.com/2008/10/russias-open-source-revolution.html
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Post by: NejinOniwa on October 19, 2008, 04:01:04 pm
QuoteEnamored? Oo'
Funny thing is he could win what I call a "Schwarzeneggerean Victory", where fame and curiousity swamp common sense. -.-

The People's Party of Monopolistic Software Marketing wins the game!

QuoteI'm cosplaying Alto from Macross Frontier? O-O

No, no no no no. Not FAAABULOUS, but GAR[/color].
THIS.
(http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p130/Musketgiggity/kamina.jpg)

AH! THE GAR[/color]!!! It runs through my every blood vessel and neuron! IT DRIVES ME CRRRRRRRRRRRRAAZY!

CRAAAZY LIKE A COCONUT!



....er.
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Post by: Bella on October 19, 2008, 04:54:24 pm
It's time for another segement of...

Bella's Excellent Telnet Adventures---NetBSD edition!

So yesterday I was going to try connecting to SDF's Public Access Twenex machine, to give Tenex a spin. But what'll you know, it won't let me log in, even with the name and password provided. A bit frustrated, I see a possible clue...on the login page, I see a note that says "new users login as 'new'" so I try doing that. Hey! Something happens!

...I get connected to another public access machine...SDF's public access Unix machine. Screw this, I'm here to try out Tenex! Why would I go out intending to test drive a vintage BWM and be happy getting stuck in a Volkswagen...especially when I have several of those at home?

No, scratch that. I know a bit about navigating a Linux CLI (yay! I got through that tutorial!), a NetBSD shell has to be similar. After all, when you take away the GUI and a lot of programs, aren't all Unixes about the same? So I signed up and got my own account, thinking it would be fun to try out my woefully noobish CLI ski11z on something a little more substantial than a terminal window.

(http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s320/BellasOS-tans/untitled2-4.png)

I even got an email address. Using mutt, I'm reading an email sent to me.

(http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s320/BellasOS-tans/untitled3-3.png)

Look at option letter G. It is true-- GECOS left a mark on Unix!

(http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s320/BellasOS-tans/untitled4-2.png)

Tux hunting, a popular game. Lawl. BSDers don't mince words.

(http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s320/BellasOS-tans/untitled5-2.png)

Oooookey...is computer game violence really violent, if the graphics are in ACSII?

(http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s320/BellasOS-tans/untitled6-3.png)

This is where I got lost, taking a wrong turn into a man page. I'd feel stupid, but apparently the writers of the Unix Haters' Handbook feel the same way.

(http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s320/BellasOS-tans/untitled7.png)

This is where I accidentally started vi and got stuck for about five minutes trying to get it to close. Even after reading about several ways to close it, I still couldn't-- and gave up soon thereafter, instead just logging out. XD

QuoteI'm cosplaying Alto from Macross Frontier? O-O


Haha. No.

(http://www.dailywhatever.net/wp-content/uploads/2008/02/kamina.jpg)

(Nejin-san didn't post a big enough picture)

QuoteGolfing might get better with that new motion enhancement thingie coming out early next year, since it might be possible to more accurately measure your movement -- not just the force of your swing, but also the length of the arc and the direction the ball is being hit.

Super Swing Golf takes into account most of those things, but lacks the intuitive "just swing" control that makes Wii Golf feel a little more natural. The tradeoff, though, is that Wii Golf is too darn sensitive for its own good. >.<

But I do enjoy it, though. Just a matter of getting the hang of it, though its not like there aren't many other fun Wii games to try out. ^^


Oh I'm sure the frustratingness of Wii golfing is actually quite correct to the real sport.

QuoteEnamored? Oo'
Funny thing is he could win what I call a "Schwarzeneggerean Victory", where fame and curiousity swamp common sense. -.-


Oh gawd. A lot of crazy $#!^ has gone down here, but I think that would drive me out of the country once and for all. XD

*starts singing "O, Canada"*

QuoteAssuming I'm Alto, I want my Nene-sama... NAU!!! ^0^
(Although I wouldn't mind a Klan-chan either.) -.-


Now now, you're Kamina. You're interests include inspirational speeches, annoying authority figures, piloting mechas, and generally trying to get yourself killed. And you also like striking motivational poses. XD

QuoteIn other news, curiosity may have killed the cat but only scratched the pig. I wanna check ALT Linux out.... -.-

http://reddevil62-techhead.blogspot.com/2008/10/russias-open-source-revolution.html


Wow! That article is great! I knew open source software was making inroads in Russia, but I didn't realize it was (or on the way to being) this widespread!

...now I have to draw an ALT Linux-tan...:P
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Post by: C-Chan on October 22, 2008, 10:23:43 pm
Yo peeps,
Still alive, but brain is much.  Will try back again tomorrow after I'm done with my project and can get some semblance of sleep.  Le sigh.... X___X

Expecting to run into much excitement -- especially in the art threads but certainly with the terminal screens above -- once my vitality is restored.  -v-

In the meantime, here's something weird:
http://www.itwire.com/content/view/21281/1103/

Something that no doubt could be seen coming from a mile away:
http://macdailynews.com/index.php/weblog/comments/18811/
http://macdailynews.com/index.php/weblog/comments/18842/

And something adorable,... the "EeePC" of mainframes:
http://www-03.ibm.com/press/us/en/presskit/25500.wss
http://www-03.ibm.com/systems/z/hardware/z10bc/specifications.html
http://www.networkworld.com/news/2008/102108-ibm-linux-mainframes.html

Okay, I'm done for.... x__x

*passes out*
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Post by: Bella on October 22, 2008, 10:51:54 pm
No bed for you, pig! I'm going to force you to stay up and look at pictures of my new favorite computer!

(http://sdf.lonestar.org/tour/2006/rack1-2006.jpg)

Awwawww, isn't she a cutie? That up there is a remote management power strip. The next 4Us Lucent PortMasters which are used to manage her serial consoles. The next 7U are DEC (Compaq) DS10Ls, and the next 3U are API CS20s  Then there's her two CISCO 2940s, her remote management power strip and is a spare Lucent Portmaster! Don't even get me started on her over 2 TB of storage space! ^///^

...


M$'s Anti-Piracy Day: damn, I've heard some moronic "Days" proposed, but this one takes the cake. Maybe they should stop organizing idiotic initiatives and ad campaigns, and put more thought into their own products...

The new Get a Mac ads: I positively LOL'd at the "Bean Counter" ad when I saw it yesterday. Apple can do what M$ never could...make a humorous response to the mocks of their competitor.

Mini-mainframes: Oh C-Chan, the bells doth toll for thee; for the day of the mini-mainframe-goddess tis certainly upon us.

*sets C-Chan up with mini-mainframe-goddess, who's conveniently around 5' 6''*

No really, that is a tiny mainframe. O__O
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Post by: NejinOniwa on October 23, 2008, 06:25:13 am
QuoteAnd something adorable,... the "EeePC" of mainframes:

This looks interesting. Indeed, most of the mainframe market is quite left for dead as it is, but apparently some of it is still breathing well. Good to see some news come on that front!


Also, peeps - come like, next week, I will have a surprise ready for you guys. A BIG surprise. -w-
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Post by: C-Chan on October 23, 2008, 11:16:46 pm
*revives*

Okay, I'm good.... -v-

*slaps safe*

Let's get it Oh'n!!  ^v^

======================================

QuoteNo, no no no no. Not FAAABULOUS, but GAR.
THIS.


Guuuh....  @.@'

QuoteIt's time for another segement of...

Bella's Excellent Telnet Adventures---NetBSD edition!  


Who wants toast?  ^^

QuoteNo, scratch that. I know a bit about navigating a Linux CLI (yay! I got through that tutorial!), a NetBSD shell has to be similar. After all, when you take away the GUI and a lot of programs, aren't all Unixes about the same? So I signed up and got my own account, thinking it would be fun to try out my woefully noobish CLI ski11z on something a little more substantial than a terminal window.


Woohoo, she finished that tutorial.  ^____^

Course, a Linux terminal and a true Unix terminal are not necessarily the exact same thing, but I would say it is 90% of the time at best.  Especially when compared to the free BSDs.  ^.^

QuoteI even got an email address. Using mutt, I'm reading an email sent to me.


Sorry, can't see the screenshots form my current location, but wondered how the email would look like from a regular webmail.  ^^

QuoteLook at option letter G. It is true-- GECOS left a mark on Unix!


The image of her in the CIOST panel comes to mind.

She's nowhere.... but still everywhere.... *gasp*  OvO

QuoteTux hunting, a popular game. Lawl. BSDers don't mince words.


Is your "Oh LAWD" copyrighted by any chance?  Cause I could use some of that right now.  ^^;

QuoteOooookey...is computer game violence really violent, if the graphics are in ACSII?


Fufu... ^^;
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_Race_(1976_game)

QuoteThis is where I got lost, taking a wrong turn into a man page. I'd feel stupid, but apparently the writers of the Unix Haters' Handbook feel the same way.


I don't recall if the tutorial explained how to get out of a man page.  Usually it's by hitting the "Q" button.  

QuoteThis is where I accidentally started vi and got stuck for about five minutes trying to get it to close. Even after reading about several ways to close it, I still couldn't-- and gave up soon thereafter, instead just logging out. XD


http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-general-1/how-to-exit-vi-19794/

But trust me, I don't use vi either.  The little brat is tempermental.  `v'
For a quick CLI editor, Nano does it for me and saves/exits with the F2 button.  But again, couldn't hurt to make these just a taaaaaaaaaaaaaaaad bit more self-explanatory.  ^^;

Even the python command line Help is more forgiving to users stumbling into it.  ^___^

QuoteHaha. No.


(Nejin-san didn't post a big enough picture)


Oh, so now I'm the protagonist from Disgaea.  ^___^
But thought his name was Laharl.... ^.^

(http://www.jeremyreimer.com/phpbb2/images/avatars/gallery/ikonboard/laharl2.jpg)

QuoteOh gawd. A lot of crazy $#!^ has gone down here, but I think that would drive me out of the country once and for all. XD

*starts singing "O, Canada"*


Admittedly, they'd probably insert another corresponding poodle up there too, just so you'd have nowhere to run.  

Out goes Steve Harper....  

...in comes Ronald Hovsepian.  -v-;

QuoteNow now, you're Kamina. You're interests include inspirational speeches, annoying authority figures, piloting mechas, and generally trying to get yourself killed. And you also like striking motivational poses. XD


Speaking of which, I finally secured some episodes of that Gurren-whatsis.  So pretty soon, I can dispel all the "huh".  ^^

QuoteWow! That article is great! I knew open source software was making inroads in Russia, but I didn't realize it was (or on the way to being) this widespread!

...now I have to draw an ALT Linux-tan...:P


I know you [and I] are in an art slump, though.
Why not just toss ideas around in Theories instead?  ^.^

QuoteNo bed for you, pig! I'm going to force you to stay up and look at pictures of my new favorite computer!


Gah-hhahaha!  ;^~^;

QuoteAwwawww, isn't she a cutie? That up there is a remote management power strip. The next 4Us Lucent PortMasters which are used to manage her serial consoles. The next 7U are DEC (Compaq) DS10Ls, and the next 3U are API CS20s Then there's her two CISCO 2940s, her remote management power strip and is a spare Lucent Portmaster! Don't even get me started on her over 2 TB of storage space! ^///^


O__O

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*recreates final scene from Kung Fu Hustle,... yet again*

M-m-m-m-.... MASTER!!!!!!!!!!!  >V<

*grovels*

QuoteM$'s Anti-Piracy Day: damn, I've heard some moronic "Days" proposed, but this one takes the cake. Maybe they should stop organizing idiotic initiatives and ad campaigns, and put more thought into their own products...


Last I checked, I haven't grown wings yet.  -.-'

QuoteThe new Get a Mac ads: I positively LOL'd at the "Bean Counter" ad when I saw it yesterday. Apple can do what M$ never could...make a humorous response to the mocks of their competitor.


And that's just a plain good example of less-is-more, KISS and what not.  ^__^

QuoteMini-mainframes: Oh C-Chan, the bells doth toll for thee; for the day of the mini-mainframe-goddess tis certainly upon us.

*sets C-Chan up with mini-mainframe-goddess, who's conveniently around 5' 6''*


*facefaults*  XvX
*grows pale*  
*characteristic Anime "ping" is heard in the background*
*a breeze and some tumble weed blow by*

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Okay,... just cook me now and get it over with.  T^T

QuoteThis looks interesting. Indeed, most of the mainframe market is quite left for dead as it is, but apparently some of it is still breathing well. Good to see some news come on that front!


Mostly due to the power concerns.  ^^
Now that Mainframes can be of manageable size, a single one can actually do the work of a sizable server farm without the shotload of power required to run all those separate machines.  Not to say this thing runs on batteries, but it has a comparatively smaller power footprint.

The cost, though, still seems a little high -- like solar panels right now, it would be an initial large expense that hopefully will pay itself in time with the energy savings.

QuoteAlso, peeps - come like, next week, I will have a surprise ready for you guys. A BIG surprise. -w-


I knew it, he got his aspire one.  ^^

I found an online store selling a more higher specked Linux model:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834115508

Sadly, they still insist on putting in that crappy 3-cell battery.  The XP 6-cell variants only look more affordable since they only include hard drive options -- which ends up being a pretty sweet deal as long as you don't drop the computer.  ^.^;

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PS:  Here's an update on the Russia story I posted a while ago:

http://www.computerworlduk.com/toolbox/open-source/blogs/index.cfm?entryid=1423&blogid=14

I especially appreciate the fact that if schools still feel the need to use proprietary software, they can pay for it themselves; however, all schools would be officially standardized to Free and Open Source software.  Having seen so much disparity in well-funded vs poorly funded schools in terms of computer (or even book) availability, it's nice to know that this measure can, in theory, significantly bridge that digital divide.

The comments in the article are also quite masterful -- and it is true that Once Upon A Time, you were expected to master WordPerfect and DOS if you wanted to train yourself for... *chuckle chuckle snortle snortle*...  the future.  ^.^
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Post by: NejinOniwa on October 24, 2008, 11:41:40 am
QuoteI knew it, he got his aspire one. ^^

Not telling, but that's not it...we're talking BIG here. Not big as in size, but big as in HOLYSHIMUIFAGRAWHGTHEHELLISTHAT?!-big.

Quite sad that I didn't get it though, since those two together would have been, frankly, something of the most awesome combo ever seen by mankind, and me.


FUFUFUFUFU, YOU'RE GETTING INTERESTED NOW AREN'T YA =W=
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Post by: Bella on October 24, 2008, 02:29:38 pm
I know your secret, Nejin-san...

...

...YOU GETTIN A MAC, RIGHT?!!!!

*baaaaawls tears of happiness*
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Post by: NejinOniwa on October 24, 2008, 02:50:41 pm
Listen to when other people talk, oi. -.-
And just how would an XP laptop and a Mac be an unbeatable combo, exactly? Curious.

No, no, and no. (Besides, I hate macs, remember?)
Whatever you guys can possibly think of, as long as your thoughts are stuck to THIS age of computing...you won't get close.

Think Sci-fi. SCI-FI.

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In other news, I'm about to get rid of my X64 XP and install the usual over it. Also I installed Miku-tan yesterday. Fabulous. -w-

Added after 7 minutes:

Actually not so fabulous since it's totally impossible to use since I don't understand anything...
;_;
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Post by: C-Chan on October 24, 2008, 06:12:34 pm
Yo all,
Don't mind me, I'm still recovering my brain cells.  Just finished watching Ichigo 100%, and while it had some nifty artwork, fun music and a tallish girl,... *cough cough* bullcrap *cough cough*,... it plain outright sucked.  T___T'

If you're gonna make YAHA [="Yet Another Harem Anime"] with YAL [="Yet Another Loser"],... please,... for the love of GAWD and ALL that is HOLEY....
at least make it funny.  Â¬Â¬

QuoteListen to when other people talk, oi. -.-
And just how would an XP laptop and a Mac be an unbeatable combo, exactly? Curious.

No, no, and no. (Besides, I hate macs, remember?)


You're saying that you suddenly loving Macs wouldn't be a BIG,  HOLYSHIMUIFAGRAWHGTHEHELLISTHAT thing?  Cause I'm pretty sure a news like that would suddenly make me sprout wings.  ^^'

Quote
Whatever you guys can possibly think of, as long as your thoughts are stuck to THIS age of computing...you won't get close.


Well we are kinda sorta in a computer thread... The only guesses we can make while staying marginally OT are computer ones... ^.^'

QuoteThink Sci-fi. SCI-FI.


Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa.... sou.  -v-

It all comes clear now....

I always wondered how a pirate can also be a ninja...

Nejin-san is actually an alien.  And he's either going home, or calling in the invasion fleet.  ^_____^

That must be it.  -v-
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Post by: Aurora Borealis on October 24, 2008, 08:21:29 pm
Nejin is an alien?...

BRING OUT THE PREDATORS!!
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Post by: Bella on October 24, 2008, 09:21:50 pm
QuoteWoohoo, she finished that tutorial. ^____^

Course, a Linux terminal and a true Unix terminal are not necessarily the exact same thing, but I would say it is 90% of the time at best. Especially when compared to the free BSDs. ^.^


Yeah, they seem close 'nuff.

QuoteSorry, can't see the screenshots form my current location, but wondered how the email would look like from a regular webmail. ^^


A lot of code at the top and bottom (I was writing from Yahoo), but still legible. It'd probably get hairier if there were any pictures, though ;)

QuoteThe image of her in the CIOST panel comes to mind.

She's nowhere.... but still everywhere.... *gasp* OvO


I had actually heard of GECOS fields but never seen one before.

QuoteIs your "Oh LAWD" copyrighted by any chance? Cause I could use some of that right now. ^^;


In all fairness, they have a reason to dislike Linux. Apparently, when SDF migrated from System V servers to Linux-based ones in '97, they began to be bombarded by malicious attacks-- and it wasn't until 2000 that they moved to BSD and everything calmed down.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Super_Dimension_Fortress

QuoteFufu... ^^;
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_Race_(1976_game)


That. Looks. Frakkin. Awesome. XD

QuoteI don't recall if the tutorial explained how to get out of a man page. Usually it's by hitting the "Q" button.


Yeah, I think I came to that conclusion at the end.

Quotehttp://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-general-1/how-to-exit-vi-19794/

But trust me, I don't use vi either. The little brat is tempermental. `v'
For a quick CLI editor, Nano does it for me and saves/exits with the F2 button. But again, couldn't hurt to make these just a taaaaaaaaaaaaaaaad bit more self-explanatory. ^^;

Even the python command line Help is more forgiving to users stumbling into it. ^___^


Yeah, they actually have a bunch of help sites posted and I found a list of command that would close it. But it didn't seem to want to go from the text editing mode to the "control" mode (if that makes sense). IOW, the key strokes I made showed up as text.

QuoteOh, so now I'm the protagonist from Disgaea. ^___^
But thought his name was Laharl.... ^.^


Oh, that makes more sense.

QuoteSpeaking of which, I finally secured some episodes of that Gurren-whatsis. So pretty soon, I can dispel all the "huh". ^^


Yay! Now you shall truly be able to appreciate Yoko-sama. :P

QuoteI know you [and I] are in an art slump, though.
Why not just toss ideas around in Theories instead? ^.^


To the Theories thread! ^^ ->

QuoteListen to when other people talk, oi. -.-
And just how would an XP laptop and a Mac be an unbeatable combo, exactly? Curious.


Because you would have the MAC for when the WINDOWS machine failed, duh [eyeroll\]

No really, I was just messing around. I know you'd rather sell your left arm than use a Mac ;)

QuoteNo, no, and no. (Besides, I hate macs, remember?)
Whatever you guys can possibly think of, as long as your thoughts are stuck to THIS age of computing...you won't get close.

Think Sci-fi. SCI-FI.


NEJIN-SAN IS GETTING A QUANTUM COMPUTER!!!1!! @_____@

I realized you Europeans were quite technically ahead of the rest of us, but wow! Good luck with that!

   
QuoteYo all,
Don't mind me, I'm still recovering my brain cells. Just finished watching Ichigo 100%, and while it had some nifty artwork, fun music and a tallish girl,... *cough cough* bullcrap *cough cough*,... it plain outright sucked. T___T'

If you're gonna make YAHA [="Yet Another Harem Anime"] with YAL [="Yet Another Loser"],... please,... for the love of GAWD and ALL that is HOLEY....
at least make it funny. ¬¬


Oh lawd, I hate anime series which have no coherent plot or writing, yet are somehow hard to stop watching...

...kinda like Bleach. Or Speed Grapher (both of which I quit watching-- WHOOO!). My friend even has a name for these..."Big Sword Anime", a show with nothing but violence (or special effects, or cute girls, it's kinda general), that has no storyline and inexplicably attracts a fanbase. XD
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Post by: NejinOniwa on October 25, 2008, 01:43:15 am
QuoteYou're saying that you suddenly loving Macs wouldn't be a BIG, HOLYSHIMUIFAGRAWHGTHEHELLISTHAT thing? Cause I'm pretty sure a news like that would suddenly make me sprout wings. ^^'
Well, I guess. Then again, me liking Mac is almost as improbable as me liking Vistaids, so....yeah, good luck with that ^-^;

QuoteNejin is an alien?...

BRING OUT THE PREDATORS!!

You're wrong...I AM THE PREDATOR. RESITANCE IS FUTILE. =W=
QuoteBecause you would have the MAC for when the WINDOWS machine failed, duh [eyeroll\]

No really, I was just messing around. I know you'd rather sell your left arm than use a Mac

Thank you for your understanding, Bella-hime.

QuoteI realized you Europeans were quite technically ahead of the rest of us, but wow! Good luck with that!


BWO-HAHAHAHAHAHA! That's right, lowly humans! WE STAND ABOVE YOU AND YOUR PUNY ECONOMY! BOW DOWN TO THE MOTHERLAND! BWAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA~!
*gets swatted by flagpole*
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Post by: Bella on October 25, 2008, 03:52:02 pm
QuoteWell, I guess. Then again, me liking Mac is almost as improbable as me liking Vistaids, so....yeah, good luck with that ^-^;


But still, Mac is the lesser of two evils you gotta admit :P

QuoteBWO-HAHAHAHAHAHA! That's right, lowly humans! WE STAND ABOVE YOU AND YOUR PUNY ECONOMY! BOW DOWN TO THE MOTHERLAND! BWAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA~!
*gets swatted by flagpole*


Hey don't look at me, if things get much worse here I'm considering moving to Denmark (aka the Happiest Place On Earth (http://www.cnn.com/2008/HEALTH/07/02/nations.happiness/index.html)). ^^

Anyhow...
...I'm wondering why my computer can't download BitTorrents. I'm using uTorrent, it says my port is properly forwarded, and the torrents in question have a fairly large pool of peers and seeds, and my dowload speed is nearly 7700 kb/s. But I can't connect to any of the seeds or peers, and there's zero availability. In short, it just won't download anything. Any ideas?

Added after 1 minutes:

Nevermind. I just checked back, and it's connected--and I only have an ETA of one week, which is better than infinity at any rate. Woo!

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No, now it's an ETA of 13 hours...

Added after 30 seconds:

...and now it's 8 hours...
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Post by: IanDanKilmaster on October 25, 2008, 05:18:56 pm
After 17hrs on 3 different buses, IDK's finally bringing the awesomeness to Texas, but only in half-capacity (i.e. without Linux :( ).  So I couldn't figure out how to get Puppy on a flash drive (tested multiple installs on my own computer... none worked).  I brought some LiveCDs with me, but haven't used them... I fear the slowness.  So now I'm running Portable Fx on my brother's obviously illegitimate copy of Windoze (I keep getting the WGA notices, it's getting old).  If I have to keep hearing his conspiracy ravings I'm gonna have to start beating him over the head with my linux sermons (he hates Microsoft, why not? :p ).  So I missed you guys, let see how much I've missed in just over a week.
   
Quote(http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s320/BellasOS-tans/kamina.png)

Wut lol.


Friggin' saved!

QuoteSpeaking of which, I finally secured some episodes of that Gurren-whatsis. So pretty soon, I can dispel all the "huh". ^^


'bout damn time!

Ain't got too much to say about BSD, I like DesktopBSD and PC-BSD, but I'm not too keen on the BSD-license.  I much prefer the freedom afforded by GNU/Linux.  I should have more to say, but I'm currently nursing sinuses/allergies, hoping I'll be well in time for the mc chris show this Monday.
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Post by: C-Chan on October 25, 2008, 05:31:56 pm
QuoteYou're wrong...I AM THE PREDATOR. RESITANCE IS FUTILE. =W=


But a Predator IS an alien, so....

I knew it, I was right.  ^___^

Okay now, lesse if this'll work....  -v-

...

Aaa- Aaaaaa-  AAAAAAAAA-CHOO!!!!!!!!!!  >o<

Quote
BWO-HAHAHAHAHAHA! That's right, lowly humans! WE STAND ABOVE YOU AND YOUR PUNY ECONOMY! BOW DOWN TO THE MOTHERLAND! BWAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA~!
*gets swatted by flagpole*


Fufufu... sure hope you've all migrated over to a resource-based (as opposed to profit-based) economy, or barring that at least kept all factories.  Otherwise, you ain't out of the woods yet.  ^__________^;

Now I forget... is Iceland green and Greenland full of ice, or the other way around?  Fufufu... ^.^

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Hey don't look at me, if things get much worse here I'm considering moving to Denmark (aka the Happiest Place On Earth). ^^


And I'M moving to Palau, the Obscurest Place on Earth.  ^___^

Quote
Nevermind. I just checked back, and it's connected--and I only have an ETA of one week, which is better than infinity at any rate. Woo!


Well that's great that all ended well, but I shall reiterate.... -v-

KTORRENT FTW!!!!!  ^V^

Especially the KDE4 version... has enough subtle improvements to really stir my piggy heart.  But still Linux only, though.  ^______^

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In other news, I started with Shuffle,... and after seeing the prospect of yet another panty-and-boob joke-based Harem Anime, I decided to recheck my list....

...and not that this was due to any reordering on my part, noooo....  ^.^

...but turns out I was wrong.  It wasn't the next series on my list... it was actually 47th on my list.  

In fact, there was a big gaping hole where the next series is supposed to be... silly C-chan.  Fufufu... ^___________^

So, not wanting to leave the gap all cold and lonely, I opted to fill it with Gurren Lugan.  ^^

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And you guys cheated!  You KNEW I would automatically love something with pigs, pigs and MORE pigs.  Including one that looks suspiciously like me.  ^____^

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And also height comparisons..... Yoko-sama..... *v*

*lecherous grin*

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Oh, and FYI, my Gurren viewing will also share air time with Toshokan Sensou, which seems like a series I'm gonna love for reasons that,... well,... may not be entirely obvious except for hardcore C-chan connoiseurs.  

*lecherous grin*  ^__________^

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QuoteIanDanKilmaster
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After 17hrs on 3 different buses, IDK's finally bringing the awesomeness to Texas, but only in half-capacity (i.e. without Linux ). So I couldn't figure out how to get Puppy on a flash drive (tested multiple installs on my own computer... none worked). I brought some LiveCDs with me, but haven't used them... I fear the slowness. So now I'm running Portable Fx on my brother's obviously illegitimate copy of Windoze (I keep getting the WGA notices, it's getting old). If I have to keep hearing his conspiracy ravings I'm gonna have to start beating him over the head with my linux sermons (he hates Microsoft, why not? ). So I missed you guys, let see how much I've missed in just over a week.


Fufufu... you should've practiced while you were still here.  ^___^

Too bad Intrepid Ibex wasn't gonna come out anytime close to when you left -- it's gonna come prepackaged with a LiveUSB maker for Ubuntu.  -v-

And yeah, your bro seems like a prime candidate for FOSS-dom,... then again, if he has no conspiracies to complain about, that might be bad for him too.  I've known people who just LOVE to complain and suffer, and do nothing about it so they can keep complaining and suffering perpetually...  ^_______^'

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Ain't got too much to say about BSD, I like DesktopBSD and PC-BSD, but I'm not too keen on the BSD-license. I much prefer the freedom afforded by GNU/Linux. I should have more to say, but I'm currently nursing sinuses/allergies, hoping I'll be well in time for the mc chris show this Monday.


Well the BSD license is technically freer than the GPL, but that's the problem.  It's TOO free and too easy to abuse.  -v-

Too much of anything, even freedom, is not necessarily a good thing.

And yeah, most definitely get better.  I'm still curious as to how your Python training is going.  ^___^
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Post by: IanDanKilmaster on October 25, 2008, 06:02:00 pm
QuoteAnd yeah, your bro seems like a prime candidate for FOSS-dom,... then again, if he has no conspiracies to complain about, that might be bad for him too. I've known people who just LOVE to complain and suffer, and do nothing about it so they can keep complaining and suffering perpetually... ^_______^'


His complaints have little to do with M$, but after a spending a few days with him, he's probably one of those people who will find any reason to complain.  I mentioned Linux to him awhile ago, but his grievance with Linux is his use of multimedia applications (in other words, he hasn't seen Linux in awhile).  Of course, IMO he has a more legitimate case for not using Linux, he's too busy/lazy (yes both).

QuoteWell the BSD license is technically freer than the GPL, but that's the problem. It's TOO free and too easy to abuse. -v-


*slaps head*
That's right, with the GPL, anything using the source code of a GPL product has to use a GPL-compatible license.  Whereas the BSD-License has no such restriction in place, opening the door for abuse by proprietary developers.

QuoteAnd yeah, most definitely get better. I'm still curious as to how your Python training is going. ^___^


Admittedly, it has been awhile since any training has taken place, hopefully now that I have some income I can finally get that Python book I've been talking about.  I'm also hoping PortableApps.com releases a portable IDLE (or a better Windows alternative, if one exists).  That would go a long way in making this easier.  btw. thanks for the well wishing.
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Post by: NejinOniwa on October 25, 2008, 06:24:49 pm
Quote
*slaps head*
That's right, with the GPL, anything using the source code of a GPL product has to use a GPL-compatible license. Whereas the BSD-License has no such restriction in place, opening the door for abuse by proprietary developers.

Just like typing [quite] instead of [ quote ]...IT'S A TRAP!!!

QuoteNevermind. I just checked back, and it's connected--and I only have an ETA of one week, which is better than infinity at any rate. Woo!

To ensure high speeds, download Gundam. It'll surely have people who...SEED!
*PFFFFFFFF*
QuoteAnd you guys cheated! You KNEW I would automatically love something with pigs, pigs and MORE pigs. Including one that looks suspiciously like me. ^____^

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And also height comparisons..... Yoko-sama..... *v*

*lecherous grin*

Then we gonna be careful when using our Spiral Power around you, C-Boota!

And it's not cheating. It's STRATEGY. -w-

And about Yoko, I say as I do about my canine fiend;
Big stick, small dog.
Big rifle, small...er...girl.

-w-

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OH AND ALSO
An email just popped in saying "Din beställning finns att hämta". Well, have a guess what that means, it's probably pretty obvious now. -w-

I won't have it until Monday, though, since tomorrow's PARTY TIEM.
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Post by: C-Chan on October 25, 2008, 06:59:03 pm
"Your order is available"....

I knew it, he ordered an invasion fleet.  ^^

Oh well, guess when Nejin-san and his alien friends take over the earth, we can stick him with all the debt.  :P
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Post by: NejinOniwa on October 25, 2008, 07:24:06 pm
Oh no, you ain't! The stock market will be kept on a closed circuit, safely cut off from all contact with the NC network...but safely connected to your own world, of course. No sparing people their misery, here! >:3

Also, as I mentioned, tomorrow is PARTY DAY. So I'll be pretty much unreachable ~w~
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Post by: Bella on October 26, 2008, 03:28:05 pm
QuoteWell that's great that all ended well, but I shall reiterate.... -v-

KTORRENT FTW!!!!! ^V^

Especially the KDE4 version... has enough subtle improvements to really stir my piggy heart. But still Linux only, though. ^______^


I'm still wondering how a torrent client can have that much effect on the speed of the download...  ;013

QuoteToo bad Intrepid Ibex wasn't gonna come out anytime close to when you left -- it's gonna come prepackaged with a LiveUSB maker for Ubuntu. -v-


Oh, wow, I might have to give that a try!

QuoteIn other news, I started with Shuffle,... and after seeing the prospect of yet another panty-and-boob joke-based Harem Anime, I decided to recheck my list....

...and not that this was due to any reordering on my part, noooo.... ^.^

...but turns out I was wrong. It wasn't the next series on my list... it was actually 47th on my list.

In fact, there was a big gaping hole where the next series is supposed to be... silly C-chan. Fufufu... ^___________^

So, not wanting to leave the gap all cold and lonely, I opted to fill it with Gurren Lugan. ^^


Yay! Gurren Laggan!  ;010

Today I saw the first episode of Serial Experiments Lain. I've been thinking about checking this one out for a long time, I've heard it's very deep and psychological. One problem-- my WFT meters have gone off the chart, though I hold out hope it's going someplace more comprehensible ^^

QuoteAnd you guys cheated! You KNEW I would automatically love something with pigs, pigs and MORE pigs. Including one that looks suspiciously like me. ^____^


(http://farm1.static.flickr.com/202/502726611_88ce9aee7b.jpg)

Uhm, it wouldn't be this one, would it...?

...T____T

QuoteOh, and FYI, my Gurren viewing will also share air time with Toshokan Sensou, which seems like a series I'm gonna love for reasons that,... well,... may not be entirely obvious except for hardcore C-chan connoiseurs.

*lecherous grin* ^__________^


Tall chicks. I'm guessing.

Uh oh. I'm dangerously OT. To the Topic!
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Post by: C-Chan on October 26, 2008, 07:29:19 pm
QuoteI'm still wondering how a torrent client can have that much effect on the speed of the download...  


A lot of CPU processing time is used to coordinate the downloading AND uploading of multiple little downloads across hundreds of different seeders/leechers, and then slotting them in the right position in the file(s) on your hard drive.  AND it has to continously communicate with the Tracker, AND it has to run integrity checks too (wouldn't want some person to replace a movie file with a virus now would you? -- thankfully that's not possible with the way torrents are managed).

At the end of the day, if your particular torrent client is a memory hog (e.g., Azureus), than it robs a lot of processing time and memory just RUNNING the application, leaving very little to actually request downloads from seeders/leechers, causing it to choke frequently.

On my old HP laptop I installed Xubuntu on it and now run it as a torrent machine -- but only after limiting the number of maximum local/global connections, limiting the upload and download bandwith and limiting the maximum upload slots to something a little less straining on the old CPU.  It may not be capable of blazing-fast downloads, but at least it's capable of steady and reliable speeds and never chokes up.  ^^

QuoteToday I saw the first episode of Serial Experiments Lain. I've been thinking about checking this one out for a long time, I've heard it's very deep and psychological. One problem-- my WFT meters have gone off the chart, though I hold out hope it's going someplace more comprehensible ^^


Well.............. that might be a matter of opinion.  It can go 50:50 -- the ending either means something to you in a deep and existential way,... or it just piles on the WTF to critical mass.  ^.^;

On the other hand, I really liked the series.  
FUN FACT: The opening song, Duvet, was the inspiration behind PCDOS-tan, and I continue to think of it as her theme.  ^___^

And you don't seem to understand
A shame you seemed an honest man
And all the fears you hold so dear
Will turn to whisper in your ear
And you know what they say might hurt you
And you know that it means so much
And you don't even feel a thing

I am falling, I am fading
I have lost it all

And you don't seem the lying kind
A shame then I can read your mind
And all the things that I read there
Candle lit smile that we both share
and you know I don't mean to hurt you
But you know that it means so much
And you don't even feel a thing

I am falling, I am fading, I am drowning
Help me to breathe
I am hurting, I have lost it all
I am losing
Help me to breathe


QuoteUhm, it wouldn't be this one, would it...?

...T____T


Oh SHI-! My cover's blown!!  >v<

*quickly hightails it out of thread*
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Post by: NejinOniwa on October 26, 2008, 08:22:36 pm
QuoteA lot of CPU processing time is used to coordinate the downloading AND uploading of multiple little downloads across hundreds of different seeders/leechers, and then slotting them in the right position in the file(s) on your hard drive. AND it has to continously communicate with the Tracker, AND it has to run integrity checks too (wouldn't want some person to replace a movie file with a virus now would you? -- thankfully that's not possible with the way torrents are managed).

At the end of the day, if your particular torrent client is a memory hog (e.g., Azureus), than it robs a lot of processing time and memory just RUNNING the application, leaving very little to actually request downloads from seeders/leechers, causing it to choke frequently.

Odd, this - uTorrent on DELTA idles on 9mb ram, while seeding at 500kB/s ups it to 20mb, with full speed (1mb/s) drawing 30mb off the RAM. Maybe cuz i've got OCEANS of RAM, but it doesn't seem much to me...

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Oh, and the cpu usage on the active core stays around 4%, peaking at 8% (for a single 2.5ghz core). Meh?
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Post by: C-Chan on October 26, 2008, 09:52:47 pm
Well of course I'm talking behind the scenes now -- each time you're typing a document in MS Word or OOo Writer, the computer is doing hundreds or even thousands of calculations in the background, but the end user sees only inconsequential things, such as words typing on the screen, spell checks being performed, or a page documents being previewed for printing.

So in between having a fast computer (relative to my old HP laptop, you're thing is a speed demon) and an efficient torrent client (uTorrent, written in C++, and probably with very unsloppy code), it's not only gonna be fast it also won't be relatively system taxing.

In contrast to Azureus (written in Java and slow as mole-asses for reasons I dare not even investigate), it will tax any system that doesn't have oceans of RAM.  ;D

I recall using it on a junk computer and averaging roughly 5kbps maximum.  I switched to bitTornado (and later Transmission) and ZOUNDS!  The computer was like the Kamina of computers!  >v<

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In other news:

Le sigh..... X___X

http://52.thelastoutpost.com/video-4/technology/where-old-computers-go.html
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Post by: Bella on October 27, 2008, 03:24:06 pm
QuoteA lot of CPU processing time is used to coordinate the downloading AND uploading of multiple little downloads across hundreds of different seeders/leechers, and then slotting them in the right position in the file(s) on your hard drive. AND it has to continously communicate with the Tracker, AND it has to run integrity checks too (wouldn't want some person to replace a movie file with a virus now would you? -- thankfully that's not possible with the way torrents are managed).

At the end of the day, if your particular torrent client is a memory hog (e.g., Azureus), than it robs a lot of processing time and memory just RUNNING the application, leaving very little to actually request downloads from seeders/leechers, causing it to choke frequently.

On my old HP laptop I installed Xubuntu on it and now run it as a torrent machine -- but only after limiting the number of maximum local/global connections, limiting the upload and download bandwith and limiting the maximum upload slots to something a little less straining on the old CPU. It may not be capable of blazing-fast downloads, but at least it's capable of steady and reliable speeds and never chokes up. ^^


Oh, I see. This might explain why downloads were painfully slow with Azureus...

QuoteWell.............. that might be a matter of opinion. It can go 50:50 -- the ending either means something to you in a deep and existential way,... or it just piles on the WTF to critical mass. ^.^;

On the other hand, I really liked the series.


Well, I do enjoy very deeeeeeeep stuff. And I'm pretty good at sinking meaning into otherwise...WFT...things XD

(No really. I mean it. After watching the Matrix for like, the third time, I began to see it less as a story about killer robots taking over humanity in the future, and more as a story about technology's intrusion and redefinition of reality in the modern day and age.)

QuoteFUN FACT: The opening song, Duvet, was the inspiration behind PCDOS-tan, and I continue to think of it as her theme. ^___^


What a fun fact! I really like that opening song, but I never would've associated it with PCDOS-tan (maybe someone sadder, like Xenix or OS/2-san or somebody). Then again...I can see where it would fit PSDOS-tan, especially her relationship with, and separation from, MSDOS-tan.

And that's terrible where they send those old computers. -__-
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Post by: NejinOniwa on October 27, 2008, 08:02:22 pm
Alright, guys, now it's delivered and purchased. Say hello to my new friend, NIA-tan!
(http://www.overclock3d.net/gfx/articles/2008/03/06101050116l.jpg)
THE AWESOMEST THING EVER MADE; A JOYSTICK ON ME FOREHEAD. Gives an ENTIRELY new meaning to the word...mindgames.

Oh, and someone has to help me in drawing her up. While not an OS, this piece of FABULOUS hardware deserves it by far. Read up on it, and be FABULIZED...for I HAS GAMING BCI (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BCI).
>:3

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Downside is...it's DAMN hard to control those brainwaves... ^v^;

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And another downside...it's a bit unreliable to fire your gun with your eyebrows ^^
Especially afterwards when you've turned it off and half expect tabs to open with just a twitch of your chin! But, all's all. All the reviews of it do say it's got a loooong learning curve...
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Post by: Bella on October 28, 2008, 02:47:01 pm
That is awesome, and very unexpected! A brain-computer interface device! I didn't even realize those were available on the consumer market until now! @__@

And silly Nejin, of course it's unreliable to fire a gun with your eyebrows. Why do you think guns weren't designed to be head-mounted, huh?

As for designing an NIA-tan, I volunteer you for the job. She'd be very futuristic, and probably be a mind-reader (gosh a lot of them are showing up lately), and love to game. >:P
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Post by: C-Chan on October 28, 2008, 03:11:24 pm
QuoteWhat a fun fact! I really like that opening song, but I never would've associated it with PCDOS-tan (maybe someone sadder, like Xenix or OS/2-san or somebody). Then again...I can see where it would fit PSDOS-tan, especially her relationship with, and separation from, MSDOS-tan.


Oh don't worry, I have SADDER music for those two (then again, I've always viewed OS/2-tan as being more action-oriented).  ^^

QuoteAlright, guys, now it's delivered and purchased. Say hello to my new friend, NIA-tan!


Gah...?  ''

QuoteTHE AWESOMEST THING EVER MADE; A JOYSTICK ON ME FOREHEAD. Gives an ENTIRELY new meaning to the word...mindgames.

Oh, and someone has to help me in drawing her up. While not an OS, this piece of FABULOUS hardware deserves it by far. Read up on it, and be FABULIZED...for I HAS GAMING BCI.
>:3


Zuh.... ''

QuoteDownside is...it's DAMN hard to control those brainwaves... ^v^;


.... Buh... -.-

I actually did know that they were available in the consumer market, but just not exactly at an affordable price.  On the other hand, it's not like I live in the Mecca of cutting edge technology here.  -.-;

But you've always said you had trouble concentrating and stuff, so... uh... you sure you'll be alright with this?  ^____^'

QuoteAnd silly Nejin, of course it's unreliable to fire a gun with your eyebrows. Why do you think guns weren't designed to be head-mounted, huh?


*imagines having guns mounted on head and suddenly catching sight of the girl of his dreams*

Wow!  Humina hummus!  ^V^

*guns ablazing*

Uhhh.... ¬¬;

...

In any event, morbid dramatizations aside, how does this work?  (link is blocked from my current location)

Does it actually "read" your thoughts or just register your facial movements (e.g., eyebrows = fire)

QuoteAs for designing an NIA-tan, I volunteer you for the job. She'd be very futuristic, and probably be a mind-reader (gosh a lot of them are showing up lately), and love to game. >:P


Currently have a lot on my mind, so I'll agree to that till I can think up something better.  -v-

====================

In other news, I finished my first PyQt4 tutorial; while it wasn't that substantial, the next tutorial is more hands-on training with QT4 designer, so I think that'll be fun.  My Concentration Game draws near.  -.-

Also, here's something that popped up just a month to late for Ian-san.  ^^'

http://lifehacker.com/5069054/battle-of-the-thumb-drive-linux-systems
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Post by: NejinOniwa on October 28, 2008, 04:24:28 pm
It's no mind-reader, it's not like I can think "shoot" and it'll do that. However it measures certain parameters like facial muscle movement, eye muscle movement (glance) and 6 different brain wave parameters (Beta 1-3, Alpha 1-3). These can be bound to switch triggers and joystick triggers. The muscle signal is the only one I've gotten a grip on so far, however ^-^;


As for designing, I dunno - but I guess, since it's a holiday and all, I'll devote some time to it. Really long time since I got around to drawing, so I might have lost stuff, but meh, it usually turns out fine in the end.
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Post by: C-Chan on October 28, 2008, 08:45:38 pm
QuoteIt's no mind-reader, it's not like I can think "shoot" and it'll do that. However it measures certain parameters like facial muscle movement, eye muscle movement (glance) and 6 different brain wave parameters (Beta 1-3, Alpha 1-3). These can be bound to switch triggers and joystick triggers. The muscle signal is the only one I've gotten a grip on so far, however ^-^;


Hmmm.... guess that's a bit of a downer, but then BCI is still in its infancy.  At least it's a good start, although you can't really trust these companies to improve the technology for the betterment of anything.  ^^'

I did manage to read more about it here:

http://hothardware.com/Articles/OCZ-NIA-BrainComputer-Interface/?page=2

I picture this now as something more like a wii control for the brain -- or really more like a U-Force for the brain.  It will detect basar movements and brain patterns, but it isn't actually able to interpret what it is that you want into action.  So instead of thinking "fire" or flailing your hands, you bat your eyes or master an excited mental state if you want to fire.

It's interesting... VERY interesting.  :)
Now you can be like Guld piloting the YF-21 in Macross Plus (just please don't go into overdrive mode too -- that scene was freakin disgusting).  ;)

In other news, this is the stupid, most inane, most economically-ignorant gimmick ever performed by a software company, and I'm kinda glad it happened to those who are suspected leechers of the Wine Project.  On the other hand, I get free stuff. :3

http://down.codeweavers.com/
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Post by: NejinOniwa on October 29, 2008, 04:13:28 am
QuoteIn other news, this is the stupid, most inane, most economically-ignorant gimmick ever performed by a software company, and I'm kinda glad it happened to those who are suspected leechers of the Wine Project. On the other hand, I get free stuff. :3

http://down.codeweavers.com/
Why that's just...disgustingly stupid. What the hell, seriously!?
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Post by: C-Chan on October 29, 2008, 02:24:43 pm
I got the .sh and .dmg files to prove it (not yet the serials, though).  :P

Obviously those people haven't heard of the "Business Cycle", or at least don't realize it's a manufactured aspect of modern capitalism.  The slide in oil now is no less different than a scramble to sit down in a game of Musical Chairs.  ;)

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In other news:

The usual insanity unleashed.  ;D

http://www.australianit.news.com.au/story/0,24897,24561082-5013040,00.html

...and a sprinkling of SCO:
http://ubersoft.net/comic/hd/2008/10/shell-games-fun-and-profit

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Ah yes, and the ibex has almost arrived....  ;)

http://www.linuxinsider.com/rsstory/64966.html

Just remember the cardinal rules of Ubuntu upgrades:



Kukuku... I've done this so many times, I could almost be considered seasoned.  Nevertheless, I have my work cut out for me.  ^^

*puts on Simon goggles and grabs drill*  O¬O
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Post by: Bella on October 29, 2008, 11:50:31 pm
QuoteOh don't worry, I have SADDER music for those two (then again, I've always viewed OS/2-tan as being more action-oriented). ^^


IIRC, I remember you saying you thought Rise would be a good theme song for OS/2-tan.

QuoteIt's no mind-reader, it's not like I can think "shoot" and it'll do that. However it measures certain parameters like facial muscle movement, eye muscle movement (glance) and 6 different brain wave parameters (Beta 1-3, Alpha 1-3). These can be bound to switch triggers and joystick triggers. The muscle signal is the only one I've gotten a grip on so far, however ^-^;


A think-and-shoot gun? Now that would be a recipe for disaster XD

QuoteAs for designing, I dunno - but I guess, since it's a holiday and all, I'll devote some time to it. Really long time since I got around to drawing, so I might have lost stuff, but meh, it usually turns out fine in the end.


You can do it, Nejin-san! If you can shoot a gun in a videogame using only your eyebrows, surely you can draw!

Hey, I even give you permission to raid one of the chibi source files lying around in my thread and use the "base" to make an NIA-tan in Inkscape. :3

QuoteIt's interesting... VERY interesting.
Now you can be like Guld piloting the YF-21 in Macross Plus (just please don't go into overdrive mode too -- that scene was freakin disgusting).


Gyeesh O.o

QuoteIn other news, this is the stupid, most inane, most economically-ignorant gimmick ever performed by a software company, and I'm kinda glad it happened to those who are suspected leechers of the Wine Project. On the other hand, I get free stuff. :3

http://down.codeweavers.com/


Woot! So downloaded! (Yep, I got there in time yesterday.)

QuoteThe usual insanity unleashed. ;D

http://www.australianit.news.com.au/story/0,24897,24561082-5013040,00.html

...and a sprinkling of SCO:
http://ubersoft.net/comic/hd/2008/10/shell-games-fun-and-profit

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Ah yes, and the ibex has almost arrived....

http://www.linuxinsider.com/rsstory/64966.html


1. M$ doesn't care about old people T___T
2. I must be dumb, cause that comic made no sense TT
3. Yay! I might have to give that pen drive installer a try. Maybe. ^^

Speaking of free stuff, I've been meaning to give OpenOffice a try. I also wonder what kind of FOSS photo editing programs might be available for Windows...I don't mean like the GIMP, either, just enough to do cropping, rotation, touchups, etc....
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Post by: IanDanKilmaster on October 30, 2008, 02:23:52 am
QuoteOh, and someone has to help me in drawing her up. While not an OS, this piece of FABULOUS hardware deserves it by far. Read up on it, and be FABULIZED...for I HAS GAMING BCI.
>:3


My first thought after reading this was playing Psi-Ops with this thing.

QuoteAlso, here's something that popped up just a month to late for Ian-san. ^^'

http://lifehacker.com/5069054/battle-of-the-thumb-drive-linux-systems


Dude, I asked you about unetbootin...  gah, I'm sure I'll find someone who'll let me install crap on their computer so I can install Xubuntu to a flash drive.

Quote2. I must be dumb, cause that comic made no sense TT


Hoping C-Chamina-senpai will correct me if I'm wrong on this, but it looks to me this comic is either lampooning or simply pointing out SCO's own relationship to the US' current financial crisis.

(Disclaimer: Following statement should not, in any way, be taken as factual... chemicals may have played a role in their inspiration)

To break it down, SCO broke off into separate* entities so it could loan itself money.  Which is, in a word, retarded, and is why, from what I understand, we have this crisis.  So now, like the other companies, it wants money from the feds.  De-regulation until it is no longer convenient.

*not really
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Post by: C-Chan on October 30, 2008, 02:55:31 pm
QuoteIIRC, I remember you saying you thought Rise would be a good theme song for OS/2-tan.


YDRC.  ^>^

QuoteYou can do it, Nejin-san! If you can shoot a gun in a videogame using only your eyebrows, surely you can draw!

Hey, I even give you permission to raid one of the chibi source files lying around in my thread and use the "base" to make an NIA-tan in Inkscape. :3


Besides, if you really think about it, Nejin-san has it easy.  There IS already a perfect anime reference for a NIA-tan, approriate in every single way right down to the name:

(http://img215.imageshack.us/img215/5107/niapillowbl4.gif)

Incidentally, I sacrifed a little programming time to hold a last minute marathon-run of the last 5 episodes of Gurren Laggan.  Verdict: IT WAS ABSOLUTELY AWESOME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! @V@

Note to self:  "Watch ANY Anime series that Bella-hime recommends, unconditionally."  ^.^

The story was captivating, the characters likable (YOKO-SAMA! ;^v^;), the villains had great closure (go Viral!), and despite some really weird #&$@ going on in the final battle(s), the series actually had a proper ending (and an invigorating one at that)!

On the other hand, the series does continue to teach impressionable minds that if the going gets tough, just yell very loudly.  ^___^

Got a term paper due in an hour and you haven't even started?

"WHO THE HELL DO YOU THINK I AMMMMMMMMMM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  GAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"  >V<

Voila!  It's written.

Got money problems and debts piled up the wazoo?

"WHO THE HELL DO YOU THINK I AMMMMMMMMMM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  GAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"  >V<

Voila!  You won the lottery.

QuoteSpeaking of free stuff, I've been meaning to give OpenOffice a try.


I'm surprised you haven't yet -- it is a flagship FOSS product.  ^^
Version 3.0 is fantastic, btw.  Just be warned that it's only 80% similar to MS Office -- some things you MIGHT be familiar with are either not (or will never be) implemented or they work differently (like hitting the Backspace button in OOo is more like hitting Delete in MS Office than the actual "Delete" key).

On the other hand, like Firefox, OOo also has a ton of extensions you can add to it.

QuoteI also wonder what kind of FOSS photo editing programs might be available for Windows...I don't mean like the GIMP, either, just enough to do cropping, rotation, touchups, etc....


Slim pickings, but otherwise BEHOLD:

http://osswin.sourceforge.net/#graphics

Although if you just want simple touchups, Irfanview should be fine.  Not FOSS, but not bad either.  ^^

QuoteDude, I asked you about unetbootin... gah, I'm sure I'll find someone who'll let me install crap on their computer so I can install Xubuntu to a flash drive.


You sure?  I would've remembered a question about Unetbootin since I talked with the developer back when I was in the EeePCLOS team.  

Besides, you asked me for a stock distro that comes with Python development tools and something else.  Otherwise, ANY distro that you can convert into a LiveUSB could fit the bill easily.  Adding Xubuntu to a LiveUSB with persistence, and then adding Python, IDLE, QT4, and other essential apps would've fit the bill nicely, albeit with a little more work and patience.

I also recall the short notice, so I wonder if that would've been possible given the time constraints.  ;)

Given the experience of being without your own computer for A LOOOOOONG time,... I wonder if it might be worth your while later down the road to invest in a netbook?

What with so many 9" models flooding the market, the old 7" 2Gs and 4Gs can probably be had for very cheap prices on ebay.

QuoteTo break it down, SCO broke off into separate* entities so it could loan itself money. Which is, in a word, retarded, and is why, from what I understand, we have this crisis. So now, like the other companies, it wants money from the feds. De-regulation until it is no longer convenient.


It's satire, of course, but that's how you can explain the comic in a nutshell.  ^^
Still hard to believe that such legal loop holes could exist, but then again the modern economy as we know it is based on what can best be described as fraud, extortion and criminal practices (in a civilized world, anyway). As Ian pointed out, the companies that got the bailout money did far more retarded things and got rewarded for being stupid (or fraudulent, depending on how you look at it).
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Post by: NejinOniwa on October 30, 2008, 05:16:24 pm
QuoteBesides, if you really think about it, Nejin-san has it easy. There IS already a perfect anime reference for a NIA-tan, approriate in every single way right down to the name:

I must've had that somewhere in my subconscious when I drew her; the bodysuit is there, and, although it's not on the bodysuit, she's got black pattern lines over her skin, in the shape of the diamond-dot sensors of the NIA headband. However, I've tried a bit more of a Kushieda Minori (@Toradora) look and feel - A dangerously hyperactive girl, who MUST NEVER BE RESTLESS, or ELSE. Finally she's ridiculously tall - for a girl, at least, since she's roughly at my height (184-ish) - and her right arm is equipped with a heavy robotics piece giving it an almost bear-like appearance.

That's all I've been able to do so far, and I'll get the sketch up once I've edited it a bit and scanned it - but I dunno if I'll be able to be productive in any way for a while. Only time will tell if death makes one rage or mourn, and I've got a creeping-up-my-back feeling about this entire affair.
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Post by: IanDanKilmaster on October 30, 2008, 08:44:10 pm
QuoteYou sure? I would've remembered a question about Unetbootin since I talked with the developer back when I was in the EeePCLOS team.

Besides, you asked me for a stock distro that comes with Python development tools and something else. Otherwise, ANY distro that you can convert into a LiveUSB could fit the bill easily. Adding Xubuntu to a LiveUSB with persistence, and then adding Python, IDLE, QT4, and other essential apps would've fit the bill nicely, albeit with a little more work and patience.

I also recall the short notice, so I wonder if that would've been possible given the time constraints.

Given the experience of being without your own computer for A LOOOOOONG time,... I wonder if it might be worth your while later down the road to invest in a netbook?

What with so many 9" models flooding the market, the old 7" 2Gs and 4Gs can probably be had for very cheap prices on ebay.


Well, I did mention it in passing a few pages back, but given that I really had very little idea on how it worked I was hoping you might provide some insight.  I was really wondering if it was best to go with an OS designed to work on a flash drive or just use Unetbootin to create a portable version of an OS I was comfortable with.  Anyway, it's not that big a deal, I've gone some time without using my home OS before, there were those few months we didn't have high-speed at the house and I only ever used my computer to play videos.  I'll survive, perhaps certain aspects of my knowledge regarding Python won't, but for now, those are acceptable losses.  Besides, like I said before, I actually have a bit of cash flow where I am now, and chances are it won't be long before I pick up my own Python handbook to read up on. ^__^

Of course, since you mentioned netbooks, it got me to thinking about that Asus I saw down at Target for $299.  I'm only planning on staying a month longer here, so I might try to save up for that while I'm here (that is, if there aren't any more bad-ass concerts like the mc chris show Monday ^__^).

QuoteIt's satire, of course, but that's how you can explain the comic in a nutshell. ^^
Still hard to believe that such legal loop holes could exist, but then again the modern economy as we know it is based on what can best be described as fraud, extortion and criminal practices (in a civilized world, anyway). As Ian pointed out, the companies that got the bailout money did far more retarded things and got rewarded for being stupid (or fraudulent, depending on how you look at it).


Well, I think what happened with this could be put simply as, stupid fraud.  I mean, it's one thing to actually pull off a successful scam, but it's another thing to keep using that same scam over and over and over again.  Even thieves you see getting caught on the smokinggun.com are watching this and saying, "Yeah, that's pretty stupid."  Still, these companies are getting a federal payout so I guess the scam was successful.  Gah, I'm getting political and OT, please forgive me guys.

Seeing all this Gurren Lagann stuff being posted is reminding me that I've been missing it on Mondays (I've been watching it on Sci-Fi).  I'd watch it online, but I hate the quality of streaming stuff.  I'd download it, but my brother seems to be taking up a lot of bandwidth with his torrenting (for some reason, my browsing is being rendered pretty slow by this).
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Post by: C-Chan on October 31, 2008, 11:51:03 am
QuoteHowever, I've tried a bit more of a Kushieda Minori (@Toradora) look and feel - A dangerously hyperactive girl, who MUST NEVER BE RESTLESS, or ELSE. Finally she's ridiculously tall - for a girl, at least, since she's roughly at my height (184-ish) - and her right arm is equipped with a heavy robotics piece giving it an almost bear-like appearance.


184cm is "ridiculously tall"?  T_______T

...

....

.....

Fufufu....

Hehehehe.....

Hahahahaha.....

BWAHAHAHAHAHA....!

MWAAAAAAAA-HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  ^V^

...

You're too cute.  ^.^
I'm gonna have to call you "Nejin-chan" for the next 48 hours.  ^___^

Here, pick a lolipop:

(http://www.sweetfactory.com/images/uploads/32065-TeenyRoundPop.jpg)

QuoteThat's all I've been able to do so far, and I'll get the sketch up once I've edited it a bit and scanned it - but I dunno if I'll be able to be productive in any way for a while. Only time will tell if death makes one rage or mourn, and I've got a creeping-up-my-back feeling about this entire affair.


Uh?  ''

QuoteWell, I did mention it in passing a few pages back, but given that I really had very little idea on how it worked I was hoping you might provide some insight. I was really wondering if it was best to go with an OS designed to work on a flash drive or just use Unetbootin to create a portable version of an OS I was comfortable with.


Sorry if I missed it then -- you know it was pretty crazy back then.  OSes designed for Flash drives are better geared towards them of course, but because of the modular design of most popular Linux systems, it's just as viable to use a system you're already familiar with some extra modification to let it boot from an external drive with persistence.

It's even easier now with Intrpid Ibex, since the tool is dedicated specifically for creating persistent Ubuntu LiveUSBs

You have to beg your bro to let you download Ibex -- it does seem worth the look, even if the changes are hardly dramatic in appearance.

QuoteAnyway, it's not that big a deal, I've gone some time without using my home OS before, there were those few months we didn't have high-speed at the house and I only ever used my computer to play videos. I'll survive, perhaps certain aspects of my knowledge regarding Python won't, but for now, those are acceptable losses. Besides, like I said before, I actually have a bit of cash flow where I am now, and chances are it won't be long before I pick up my own Python handbook to read up on. ^__^


In fairness, sometimes it's nice to be away from the computer for a while.  Or so says the person who eats, drinks and sleeps with a netbook.  ^.^'

It's fairly convenient to install the full Python and PyQt4 suite in Windows, but I'm sure you have your reasons why that hasn't come about.  ^___^;

QuoteOf course, since you mentioned netbooks, it got me to thinking about that Asus I saw down at Target for $299. I'm only planning on staying a month longer here, so I might try to save up for that while I'm here (that is, if there aren't any more bad-ass concerts like the mc chris show Monday ^__^).


The price sounds good if it's one of the newer Asus EeePC models.  Otherwise, even though I love my 4G, I think that would be insanely expensive for one nowadays, especially since the Acer Aspire One is only $30 USD more for a far better computer in my opinion:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834115496

And an extra $20 USD on top of that will get you the full 1GB of RAM + a 16GB SSD:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834115508

QuoteStill, these companies are getting a federal payout so I guess the scam was successful. Gah, I'm getting political and OT, please forgive me guys.


Don't worry, I know perfectly what you mean.  -v-
If it's any consolation, the money stolen from US taxpayers never really existed in the first place.  COnsider it a sick irony that people who spend their entire lives accumulating pieces of paper and digits on a computer somewhere don't realize they're living, working, eating, indebting, enslaving or being enslaved... for... FREE.  @v@;

QuoteI'd watch it online, but I hate the quality of streaming stuff. I'd download it, but my brother seems to be taking up a lot of bandwidth with his torrenting (for some reason, my browsing is being rendered pretty slow by this).


There's probably no limits on his torrent client, so if it's seeding or leeching at the connection's peak upload/download rate, it's leaving very little bandwith left for other network tasks (such as loading text on a browser).
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Post by: NejinOniwa on October 31, 2008, 03:01:31 pm
Quote184cm is "ridiculously tall"? T_______T

Hells, yes! Or at least when one thinks with logic, and not with...something else. >_>

QuoteYou're too cute. ^.^
I'm gonna have to call you "Nejin-chan" for the next 48 hours. ^___^

Shoot. Have to watch my hair...RIBBONS WON'T BE TOLERATED, HEAR!?

QuoteUh? "

Gah. No, nothing, it's past now. I can handle a few people I know kicking the bucket, I'm a cold-hearted bastard to the core. Just takes an hour or two to kick in. Don't worry 'bout me. ^^
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Post by: C-Chan on October 31, 2008, 03:33:59 pm
Oh... well... I guess that's good you're tough, but still very sorry to hear that.  -.-

As compensation, I'm promoting you back to "Nejin-san" (darn! was looking forward to the ribbons... -v-).
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Post by: IanDanKilmaster on October 31, 2008, 03:38:52 pm
QuoteIt's fairly convenient to install the full Python and PyQt4 suite in Windows, but I'm sure you have your reasons why that hasn't come about. ^___^;


For me, it's more or less assumption he'd (my brother) prefer not to have a program installed on his computer he'd probably never use.  I found a Portable App called Notepad++ that allows for coding in a number of programming languages (obviously including Python), but I'm not sure if it can test for errors (I'm pretty sure it won't work like IDLE).

QuoteThe price sounds good if it's one of the newer Asus EeePC models. Otherwise, even though I love my 4G, I think that would be insanely expensive for one nowadays, especially since the Acer Aspire One is only $30 USD more for a far better computer in my opinion:


Yeah, the one I saw was an EeePC, I didn't really check it out in all that detail, but I saw that it was small.  I'll have to check those others out, too.

QuoteDon't worry, I know perfectly what you mean. -v-
If it's any consolation, the money stolen from US taxpayers never really existed in the first place. COnsider it a sick irony that people who spend their entire lives accumulating pieces of paper and digits on a computer somewhere don't realize they're living, working, eating, indebting, enslaving or being enslaved... for... FREE. @v@;


$700B sounds like a number somebody just pulled out of their ass (or a certain Mike Myers movie).  I'm more concerned about the inevitable rise in taxes and subsequent economic crash.  If the AIG bs is any indication, nothing has really been learned in this fiasco, and the practices that led to the current situation are merely going to continue.  I try not to let this affect me, and more or less just enjoy myself - so I get what you're saying.
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Post by: Bella on October 31, 2008, 09:00:25 pm
*pops in*

So, like, I downloaded OpenOffice, and tried to open a file I had been working on in M$ Works Word Processor in OpenOffice. Oh what's this? OOo doesn't support .wps files? WTF!?

I checked out the OOo forums and it seems it doesn't support .wps files at all. So...yeah...I guess I have to learn the ancient art of Copypasta or something...

*pops out*
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Post by: C-Chan on November 01, 2008, 12:02:46 pm
WAAAAAAAAAAH?!  You've been using Microsoft WORKS all along??????????  @.@

Oh you poor unfortunate soul.  ^.^

(http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/kingdomhearts/images/thumb/d/d8/KH-Ursula.jpg/300px-KH-Ursula.jpg)

*pats Bella on head*

Contrary to what it may seem, there is development support for WPS files in OpenOffice.  However, because the format is particularly locked, poorly supported and badly written (even MS Office needs to use a converter:  http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=bf41401e-70fa-465d-ae2e-cf44dbf05297&DisplayLang=en ), it's not been included even in the 3.0 release.  

Short of adding the libwps library file yourself or using one of the CLI conversion options, it probably is easier to just go ahead with the copy-n-paste.  The best long-term solution is to discontinue using Works entirely -- it was always meant to be a dead-end product (a 'gateway drug' for MS Office if you will), and even OOo is better if only because it can save it DOC, XLS and PPS formats.  ^^'

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Quote
For me, it's more or less assumption he'd (my brother) prefer not to have a program installed on his computer he'd probably never use. I found a Portable App called Notepad++ that allows for coding in a number of programming languages (obviously including Python), but I'm not sure if it can test for errors (I'm pretty sure it won't work like IDLE).


Nah, but you can get around that easily....

If it runs and it breaks, you have a problem.  ^___^

Still, if you want to use Python, some Python files will be required regardless -- and usually Python is bundled along with IDLE in the Windows installer.

Quote
Yeah, the one I saw was an EeePC, I didn't really check it out in all that detail, but I saw that it was small. I'll have to check those others out, too.


The Acer has a bigger screen, a MUCH better keyboard, more SSD space and a faster processor than the first generation EeePCs.  Battery life of the Acer 3-cell battery is not stellar, but it's probably en par with the 4G.

What really makes it a fair win is the OS.  The Asus EeePC uses a somewhat botched variant of Xandros Linux -- not only is the OS locked (the "appliance" mentality at work), but it's a PITA to unlock it and install additional programs in it without breaking the whole system.  (and since the Xandros repositories suck, you would have to install it from the Debian ones).

Asus recently released an online Download "Store" that features several FOSS programs you can download  -- it's kind of a dolled-up repository of sorts, and it was meant to be a step in the right direction.  However Asus, in all its genius, not only crammed the "Store" full of useless bloatware, but they also packaged it in the CNR format -- which none of the AsusOS versions are able to open.  Yeah, good job Asus.  -.-'

The AcerOS is also locked -- however, as it's only a very slightly modified version of Linpus Lite, it has much closer compatibility with the Fedora Core 8 repository.  95% of the programs you'll ever need are in there and relatively stable.

Moreover, the AcerOS is easier to unlock and its Desktop Launcher, while still requiring some text editing to modify, is a lot less of a PITA to do so.  Quite frankly, with only a fraction of the axel grease, you can customize your Acer Aspire One to be as close to the laptop of your dreams as anything else.

Still pales in comparison to Ubuntu NBR, but it's a good stop gap while Canonical goes Gold with that crafty little thing of theirs.

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Back @Bella:

Oh right, almost forgot.  -v-
Admittedly Works is a lot lighter and faster, and besides that I really don't know if you've used it regularly or just happen to have a stray WPS file around.

Either way, I should probably point out that Abiword and Gnumeric Windows ports also exist.  They might serve as more viable Works replacements, since they're both very light and fast, AND can still save in DOC and XLS formats.

They're just a little Spartan, is all.  ^.^'
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Post by: IanDanKilmaster on November 01, 2008, 03:49:51 pm
Quote*pops in*

So, like, I downloaded OpenOffice, and tried to open a file I had been working on in M$ Works Word Processor in OpenOffice. Oh what's this? OOo doesn't support .wps files? WTF!?

I checked out the OOo forums and it seems it doesn't support .wps files at all. So...yeah...I guess I have to learn the ancient art of Copypasta or something...

*pops out*


You're using Media Center Edition, right?  This kind of reminds me of the problem my dad had with finding a word processor.  I didn't know anything about Microsoft Works, so I decided to teach him to use WordPad instead.  After formatting issues with .rtf files, I decided it best to explain to my dad that the kind of stuff he wanted to do would best be handled by a program like Microsoft Office (something he'd assumed he already had).  I eventually convinced him that MCE didn't come with Office and that if he didn't want to spend oodles of money OpenOffice was the way to go.  So I turned him on to OpenOffice, and after hearing about your gripes with Works, I'm pretty glad we never tried that.  So I hope all goes well with OpenOffice after this.

QuoteNah, but you can get around that easily....

If it runs and it breaks, you have a problem. ^___^

Still, if you want to use Python, some Python files will be required regardless -- and usually Python is bundled along with IDLE in the Windows installer.


Well, after trying to work on my own .paf.exe for Python/IDLE, it turns out there's already a PortablePython in development for PortableApps.  The only problem is only the command line version of IDLE wants to operate, and I'm used to operating IDLE via GUI.  It also turns out there are other portable versions of Python out there.  What sounds like the best one is the commercial Movable Python, and there is also another Portable Python which is free (as in beer and speech, I believe) but it doesn't use IDLE.  Neither of these conform to the PortableApps format, so that's also something I didn't really like.  Anyway, I think I have what I want now ^__^.
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Post by: C-Chan on November 01, 2008, 04:34:28 pm
QuoteSo I turned him on to OpenOffice, and after hearing about your gripes with Works, I'm pretty glad we never tried that. So I hope all goes well with OpenOffice after this.


Good job on that.  -v-

Works is one of those programs that is crippled by design.  It's designed to confuse people into thinking it's the Word Office suite, and it does the job really well.  But when a kid takes his WPS homework/report file to school and finds out he can't open it from their machines, it won't take long before the parents are convinced to pay for Microsoft Office Proper.  [as one of many examples]

Works holds a special place of disdain in my heart, since [in my more computer illiterate days] I had almost ALL my writing done in an old WPS format that was incompatible with Word AND with newer Works versions on my subsequent XP machine.  Those WPS files I kept in my old Win98 machine, the same one that would eventually die out and take all my old creative writing work with it.

Fortunately it wasn't much of a loss and I had as much blame in this as I willingly chose to stay computer illiterate.  Still, it never ceases to piss me off how they get away with peddling substandard products by capitalizing on fear and insecurity, among many other unfortunate vices.

QuoteWell, after trying to work on my own .paf.exe for Python/IDLE, it turns out there's already a PortablePython in development for PortableApps. The only problem is only the command line version of IDLE wants to operate, and I'm used to operating IDLE via GUI. It also turns out there are other portable versions of Python out there. What sounds like the best one is the commercial Movable Python, and there is also another Portable Python which is free (as in beer and speech, I believe) but it doesn't use IDLE. Neither of these conform to the PortableApps format, so that's also something I didn't really like. Anyway, I think I have what I want now ^__^.


Okay I think.... ^___^'
Good look, Ian-san!  Code well!  ^.^

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Oh, and in other news....

I'm typing this from Ubuntu Intrepid Ibex, built using a Dist-Upgrade from Hardy Heron.  

Unlike the horror that was the Dapper Drake > Feisty Fawn migration, this one proceeded surprisingly smooth and flawless, almost like in Debian.  Having heard other success stories with the upgrade process, it seems Canonical may have finally got their act together in that regards.  Good for them.  ^.^

Other improvements are far more subtle, but they are there and make the system feel refined and polished.  E.g.:

- The latest GIMP version is included, which is A LOT kinder to people used to working with Photoshop.  
- The Gnome media manager no longer identifies Totem and Rhythmbox as default media players -- it's finally expanded to include VLC too.  Still wish it could recognize all media players like in KDE, but it's a start at least.
- Boot time seems a lot snappier than early models -- while they haven't invested as much time in this as Fedora Core and Mandriva, I have heard that boot time reduction is one of the newer focal points of the *Buntu team.  (that and prettying up the system more by the time Jaunty comes around).
- And speaking of "pretty", the default wallpaper is interesting, but the color motif is still bleh.  Fortunately, the extra DarkRoom theme is loads better.  ^^

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In yet other news, some good news.... ^^

http://tech.shantanugoel.com/2008/11/01/microsoft-has-a-problem-software-patents-go-up-in-smoke.html
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Post by: Bella on November 01, 2008, 08:12:28 pm
QuoteBesides, if you really think about it, Nejin-san has it easy. There IS already a perfect anime reference for a NIA-tan, approriate in every single way right down to the name:


Haha! Perfect!

QuoteIncidentally, I sacrifed a little programming time to hold a last minute marathon-run of the last 5 episodes of Gurren Laggan. Verdict: IT WAS ABSOLUTELY AWESOME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! @V@

Note to self: "Watch ANY Anime series that Bella-hime recommends, unconditionally." ^.^


Hey, it's not like I don't sit through a lot of junk before I finally find something good :P

*thinks of looooongcat long series Bleach, horrible Speed Grapher, so-so Blood+, etc. etc.*

QuoteThe story was captivating, the characters likable (YOKO-SAMA! ;^v^, the villains had great closure (go Viral!), and despite some really weird #&$@ going on in the final battle(s), the series actually had a proper ending (and an invigorating one at that)!

On the other hand, the series does continue to teach impressionable minds that if the going gets tough, just yell very loudly. ^___^

Got a term paper due in an hour and you haven't even started?

"WHO THE HELL DO YOU THINK I AMMMMMMMMMM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! GAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!" >V<

Voila! It's written.

Got money problems and debts piled up the wazoo?

"WHO THE HELL DO YOU THINK I AMMMMMMMMMM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! GAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!" >V<

Voila! You won the lottery.


I'm glad you liked it! It's probably one of my favorite series ^^

THE YELL VERY LOUDLY RULE!!! I LOVE THAT RULE!!!! I WISH IT WORKED VERY WELL!!!

FILES, CONVERT FROM .WPS TO .ODF!!! GYAAAAAAAAA!!!

QuoteSlim pickings, but otherwise BEHOLD:

http://osswin.sourceforge.net/#graphics

Although if you just want simple touchups, Irfanview should be fine. Not FOSS, but not bad either. ^^


I actually found other SVG programs in that list besides Inkscape. Who knew?

QuoteGah. No, nothing, it's past now. I can handle a few people I know kicking the bucket, I'm a cold-hearted bastard to the core. Just takes an hour or two to kick in. Don't worry 'bout me. ^^


I'm sorry for your loss, Nejin-san...

QuoteContrary to what it may seem, there is development support for WPS files in OpenOffice. However, because the format is particularly locked, poorly supported and badly written (even MS Office needs to use a converter: http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=bf41401e-70fa-465d-ae2e-cf44dbf05297&DisplayLang=en ), it's not been included even in the 3.0 release.

Short of adding the libwps library file yourself or using one of the CLI conversion options, it probably is easier to just go ahead with the copy-n-paste. The best long-term solution is to discontinue using Works entirely -- it was always meant to be a dead-end product (a 'gateway drug' for MS Office if you will), and even OOo is better if only because it can save it DOC, XLS and PPS formats. ^^'


Awwwww dammmit....>___<

I have a ton of .wps files. Making this worse is the fact that out of this ton, I actively use about three of these files-- I just don't want the rest of the to be lost to history when I get new computer.

QuoteOh right, almost forgot. -v-
Admittedly Works is a lot lighter and faster, and besides that I really don't know if you've used it regularly or just happen to have a stray WPS file around.

Either way, I should probably point out that Abiword and Gnumeric Windows ports also exist. They might serve as more viable Works replacements, since they're both very light and fast, AND can still save in DOC and XLS formats.

They're just a little Spartan, is all. ^.^'


I might look into either of those. OpenOffice is HUEG as in Xbox. o__O

QuoteYou're using Media Center Edition, right? This kind of reminds me of the problem my dad had with finding a word processor. I didn't know anything about Microsoft Works, so I decided to teach him to use WordPad instead. After formatting issues with .rtf files, I decided it best to explain to my dad that the kind of stuff he wanted to do would best be handled by a program like Microsoft Office (something he'd assumed he already had). I eventually convinced him that MCE didn't come with Office and that if he didn't want to spend oodles of money OpenOffice was the way to go. So I turned him on to OpenOffice, and after hearing about your gripes with Works, I'm pretty glad we never tried that. So I hope all goes well with OpenOffice after this.


I'm actually using XP Home Edition...both of my XP machines have Works installed. : |

QuoteI'm typing this from Ubuntu Intrepid Ibex, built using a Dist-Upgrade from Hardy Heron.

Unlike the horror that was the Dapper Drake > Feisty Fawn migration, this one proceeded surprisingly smooth and flawless, almost like in Debian. Having heard other success stories with the upgrade process, it seems Canonical may have finally got their act together in that regards. Good for them. ^.^

Other improvements are far more subtle, but they are there and make the system feel refined and polished. E.g.:

- The latest GIMP version is included, which is A LOT kinder to people used to working with Photoshop.
- The Gnome media manager no longer identifies Totem and Rhythmbox as default media players -- it's finally expanded to include VLC too. Still wish it could recognize all media players like in KDE, but it's a start at least.
- Boot time seems a lot snappier than early models -- while they haven't invested as much time in this as Fedora Core and Mandriva, I have heard that boot time reduction is one of the newer focal points of the *Buntu team. (that and prettying up the system more by the time Jaunty comes around).
- And speaking of "pretty", the default wallpaper is interesting, but the color motif is still bleh. Fortunately, the extra DarkRoom theme is loads better. ^^


Ooooh, I'll have to give it a try! Eventually... ;026
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Post by: C-Chan on November 01, 2008, 09:49:53 pm
Fufufu!  Actually, you might want to try Intrepid Ibex sooner than you think.  ^____^

I was looking through this site to find an easy way to install libwps in vanilla OOo:

http://libwps.sourceforge.net/

...when I noted that it says the Ubuntu build of Openoffice already has it built in.  

I checked both Heron and Ibex, and lo and behold!  They do indeed have "Microsoft Works Document" as an Open option!  @v@

Ibex might take a while to download, but I recall you already have Heron around.  Wouldn't hurt to give it a try converting the stuff in *Buntu, no?  ^.^

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I'm glad you liked it! It's probably one of my favorite series ^^

THE YELL VERY LOUDLY RULE!!! I LOVE THAT RULE!!!! I WISH IT WORKED VERY WELL!!!

FILES, CONVERT FROM .WPS TO .ODF!!! GYAAAAAAAAA!!!


".ODT" you mean, right?  ^.^

QuoteI actually found other SVG programs in that list besides Inkscape. Who knew?


Inkscape was originally a fork of Sodipodi, and that project's still around too.  Just a matter of the apprentice outgrowing the master....  ^___^

QuoteAwwwww dammmit....>___<

I have a ton of .wps files. Making this worse is the fact that out of this ton, I actively use about three of these files-- I just don't want the rest of the to be lost to history when I get new computer.


Yep, that's the predicament that eventually befalls all Works users... Mmm-hmmm... Say this through experience... -v-

QuoteI might look into either of those. OpenOffice is HUEG as in Xbox. o__O


Well it is an office suite and the Windows version installs all components by default, so it's gonna be a little large.  And as the successor of StarOffice, it still has plenty of the old Java code that slows it down.

But file-size wise, it's still not as HUEG as MS Office post-2003.  ^.^

QuoteI'm actually using XP Home Edition...both of my XP machines have Works installed. : |


mmm-mmmm....  -v-
*C-chan nods head in reminiscence*

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In other quick tech news, QNX-sama is still around causing mischief.... ^___^

http://www.osnews.com/story/20475/QNX_Neutrino_RTOS_6_4_Released
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Post by: NejinOniwa on November 01, 2008, 10:05:09 pm
QuoteI'm sorry for your loss, Nejin-san...

Don't worry about it. I'm just mad. People kicking their OWN bucket is against the damn rules!

QuoteI'm actually using XP Home Edition...both of my XP machines have Works installed. : |

O_o

Oh, and also: with regards to my recent migration from x64 to x86, I'd like to share a few notes on having two windowses on the same partition. Oh, the hilarity one could make out of that in a comic. ^.^

"Hey, this is my house!"
"What? Hey, you're me! That means this is my house too!"
"That doesn't make any sense at all!"
"Let go of those drivers! You're using the wrong ones!"
"AM NOT! And those .dll's are corrupt, you know that?"
"PAH! Just because SOMEONE's not bilingual..."
"Bwaah! How the hell did you write this file!? Now Master's gonna have to start this game all over again..."

All the above actually happened to me. Fun times. ^^
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Post by: C-Chan on November 07, 2008, 01:21:22 pm
The LOLZ!  A massive injection of LOLZ.  GrantP should be around to see this.  ^__^

I have PCLOS 08 and Mandriva 09 in the same machine, but they rarely talk.  After watching Clannad (YAY!!!!  >v<), it kind of resembles the interaction between Tomoya and his father, PCLOS-sama not really wanting to talk with Mama Mandriva after finding out she can't install K3B and KMyMoney properly, and that she's hogging the really kick-ass new version of Ktorrent.  ;)

Ahhhh... family disputes among Linux-tans is so quaint and petty....  -v-

In a few weeks I'll be trying out Fedora Core 10 to see for myself just how good the original new programs/features are.  I certainly like it when a distribution goes to great lengths to actually BUILD new FOSS softwaref rather than repackage bits and pieces of preexisting FOSS software throughout the internetz.  ;D

In other news, beware the wolf in wolf's clothing:

http://www.daniweb.com/blogs/entry3463.html

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This one, however, is less about spotlighting M$ than demonstrating the kind of dangerous assumptions that are made about how an economy is supposed to work:

http://techblog.dallasnews.com/archives/2008/11/windows-7-could-be-great-for-p.html

*rolls eyes*  T__T
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Post by: IanDanKilmaster on November 07, 2008, 02:42:29 pm
QuoteIn other news, beware the wolf in wolf's clothing:

http://www.daniweb.com/blogs/entry3463.html


Well, given my biased (you see, I openly admit it) distrust of M$, I probably would've already formed similar conclusions as the one in said blog.  That is (for those that prefer not to read the rather brief blog), if M$ giving away free stuff, you gotta know it's just a hook.

or... IT'S A TRAP!

QuoteThis one, however, is less about spotlighting M$ than demonstrating the kind of dangerous assumptions that are made about how an economy is supposed to work:

http://techblog.dallasnews.com/archives/2008/11/windows-7-could-be-great-for-p.html

*rolls eyes* T__T


You have got to be kidding me, I almost thought this was a joke, but given that it is not April 1st and this is in the Tech section of a news website, I can only believe that this guy is taking himself seriously.  WTF?!  People not buying new computers every so many years because each new OS is a total resource hog is going to ruin computer manufacturers and not only contribute but cause our (the U.S.') ever-dwindling economy to get worse?  Seriously?  Just because M$ is actually doing something that would potentially benefit their users for once, the U.S. economy is going to be ripped asunder as if it had been swallowed by a supermassive black hole?  Really?  I'm sorry for all the hyperbole folks, if you just read the link C-Chamina just posted you'll realize I only took said blog's exaggerations to the next illogical level.  And I have to ask, just to be sure, but are you certain the guy wasn't just being satirical, C-Chamina-senpai?

In other news, I'm typing this from another computer because my brother's is loaded with spyware.  I can't really do anything on it because all the RAM is being devoured by some beast.  It is so bad, I do not even want to bother to try to fix it.  My brother installed Spybot S&D, which did not find the problem.  He also has AVG installed, which also has not found the problem.  I have told him that perhaps he should install Lavasoft's Ad-Aware, which might catch whatever it is the other programs have missed.  These are really the only programs I know of for Windows to deal with spyware/virii, he seems to be content to ride it out for now, but I refuse to even bother with a computer where programs repeatedly experience seemingly random crashes.  At this point, I think he should just back up and try again.  I hate to sound like a certain former VP candidate, but sadly, I do not think that now is the time to experiment with Linux.  My brother has a lot of stuff he needs to get done, and I do not think he'll want to take time out to adjust to something new.  I've been on him about Linux, which is an idea he seemed to be open to, but I realize that at this moment, it might not be such a good idea to even mention it (he's a lot like our father, which means he's not someone you want to bug when he's feeling pressure).  Anyway, when dust finally settles, I'm hoping this will be a lesson to him.  I'm also hoping I'll have an Intrepid Ibex CD ready for him (I'm dl'ing the .iso as I type).

All the talk of desktop compositing and KDE 4 coming standard with Ibex has me a little worried if it will work well with my older computer.  I was honestly having a bit of trouble getting Heron to work on it (apparently it wasn't simply my older hardware, there was a good deal of other users having similar problems on the ubuntuforums).  Anyway, I'm hoping Ibex has all the bugs from Heron worked out, so I can have a mostly trouble-free upgrade when I get home.
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Post by: C-Chan on November 07, 2008, 03:24:10 pm
QuoteAnd I have to ask, just to be sure, but are you certain the guy wasn't just being satirical, C-Chamina-senpai?


I wish, but it's not like it's from theregister.co.uk.  Some people, sadly, are just naturally stupid.  :P

(I met a lot of them during the Katrina disaster debacle -- you usually were able to spot them by how much drool they dispense at the prospect of "fantastic" investment opportunities.)

(aaaaaah... P.T. Barnum, where art thou.... -v-)

QuoteAt this point, I think he should just back up and try again. I hate to sound like a certain former VP candidate, but sadly, I do not think that now is the time to experiment with Linux. My brother has a lot of stuff he needs to get done, and I do not think he'll want to take time out to adjust to something new. I've been on him about Linux, which is an idea he seemed to be open to, but I realize that at this moment, it might not be such a good idea to even mention it (he's a lot like our father, which means he's not someone you want to bug when he's feeling pressure).


No, it's a good strategy.  You have to first establish yourself as someone you can trust before they trust you to make that kind of leap -- even if it is your bro.  :)

AVG has lost a lot of reliability lately.  Otherwise, my favorite winning combination is Ad-Aware, Avast Antivirus and Comodo Firewall all at once.  Stripping away preexisting anti-malware/anti-virii/firewalls and replacing them with that free triple-suite has worked for me consistently on other Windows boxes in the past.  

And of course, now WOULD be a great time to back up all his stuff.  ;)

BTW, even though the Puppy USB key didn't work, did you at least bring the CD?  It's the best thing to have on hand in the dreadful event that Windows decides to keel over and die (meaning "not start").

QuoteAnyway, when dust finally settles, I'm hoping this will be a lesson to him. I'm also hoping I'll have an Intrepid Ibex CD ready for him (I'm dl'ing the .iso as I type


That'll be nice.  :)
Not sure if he'll enjoy the human theme, but I can honestly vouch that it is the most stable vanilla Ubuntu I've used.

I've not yet tried the Gnome version of Mandriva 2009, but the KDE4 version wasn't set up properly prior to deployment so sadly I can't recommend it except for expert or patient users (shame too -- the fast boot actually works).  Maybe 2009.1 will be a winner.

If he does ever use it, recommend the "DarkRoom" theme in lieu of the default "Human" theme.  It really makes it look classy.  :)

QuoteAll the talk of desktop compositing and KDE 4 coming standard with Ibex has me a little worried if it will work well with my older computer. I was honestly having a bit of trouble getting Heron to work on it (apparently it wasn't simply my older hardware, there was a good deal of other users having similar problems on the ubuntuforums). Anyway, I'm hoping Ibex has all the bugs from Heron worked out, so I can have a mostly trouble-free upgrade when I get home.


Yes, in a way Ibex is a living, breathing bug fix for Hardy Heron.  Because it also includes experimental new ATI drivers too (straight from AMD), it may also work faster with its graphic cards.

Boot time has been improved somewhat as well, although I can't really vouch since I didn't use Hardy very much.

Without compositing KDE4 uses roughly about the same resources as KDE3 -- remarkable considering the use of vector graphics.  But without compositing KDE4 really doesn't have much to offer over KDE3, especially since you can theme KDE3 to look REALLY REALLY slick.  :P

And in many aspects it still has a lot of work to go to achieve full user-parity with KDE3.  That DE is definitely best left to those interested in helping it grow, or bug-test newer application variants (e.g., Amarok 2.0, Koffice 2.0, etc)
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Post by: IanDanKilmaster on November 07, 2008, 04:18:02 pm
QuoteNo, it's a good strategy. You have to first establish yourself as someone you can trust before they trust you to make that kind of leap -- even if it is your bro.


Can I trust myself?  Interesting question...  Seriously though, this has been a real problem since I've been here.  Actually, it's been a problem for quite some time.  I hardly ever make any statements with complete certainty, even when I'm 100 percent sure of something.  Usually the most certain answer I'll give anyone is "pretty sure", which means "Yeah, go for it".  I just happen to be a guy who almost always expects the possibility of failure.  I work in possibilities and probabilities and I expect people to realize that.  For me, it's just a matter of intellectual honesty - I understand the difference in what is likely to happen and what can happen, but no one else really gets that because they don't overthink like I do.  It just seems that whenever you refuse to give that 100 percent answer, people don't put any confidence in it.  Anyway, I guess I need to start filtering my thoughts a little better :p .

QuoteAVG has lost a lot of reliability lately. Otherwise, my favorite winning combination is Ad-Aware, Avast Antivirus and Comodo Firewall all at once. Stripping away preexisting anti-malware/anti-virii/firewalls and replacing them with that free triple-suite has worked for me consistently on other Windows boxes in the past.


Yeah, we discussed Avast in here (actually I think it was the Linux thread) before.  I used to use it (or rather, encouraged others to use it), before it started requiring registration for a key every year and got me all paranoid.  Before Avast, I used AntiVir, but I do not think it has the free real-time protection offered by Avast.  Anyway, I really like Comodo Firewall, I generally recommend it, but that means I'll have to engage in the headache of teaching my brother how to use a firewall.  I just really wish there were more open-source security tools for Windows.  I noticed there's ClamAV for Windows, but supposedly it isn't as good as ClamAV on Linux.  Anyway, this is one area for Windows in which FOSS is really sparse.

QuoteBTW, even though the Puppy USB key didn't work, did you at least bring the CD? It's the best thing to have on hand in the dreadful event that Windows decides to keel over and die (meaning "not start").


But of course...

I also brought several other LiveCD OSes I like that are also generally easy to use (Kubuntu, PCLinuxOS, NimbleX, others).

I'm going to leave temporarily to ensure that all goes smoothly with the burning of the Intrepid Ibex .iso.
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Post by: Bella on November 07, 2008, 06:57:56 pm
QuoteI have PCLOS 08 and Mandriva 09 in the same machine, but they rarely talk. After watching Clannad (YAY!!!! >v<), it kind of resembles the interaction between Tomoya and his father, PCLOS-sama not really wanting to talk with Mama Mandriva after finding out she can't install K3B and KMyMoney properly, and that she's hogging the really kick-ass new version of Ktorrent.

Ahhhh... family disputes among Linux-tans is so quaint and petty.... -v-


I guess the Linxues are Unix-tans, after all... :P

QuoteIn a few weeks I'll be trying out Fedora Core 10 to see for myself just how good the original new programs/features are. I certainly like it when a distribution goes to great lengths to actually BUILD new FOSS softwaref rather than repackage bits and pieces of preexisting FOSS software throughout the internetz. ;D


I'd say I have to give it a try...but I still have to give Intrepid Ibex a try...

QuoteIn other news, beware the wolf in wolf's clothing:

http://www.daniweb.com/blogs/entry3463.html


To use a popular parental cliche: DON'T TAKE CANDY FROM STRANGE PEOPLE!!!

QuoteThis one, however, is less about spotlighting M$ than demonstrating the kind of dangerous assumptions that are made about how an economy is supposed to work:

http://techblog.dallasnews.com/archives/2008/11/windows-7-could-be-great-for-p.html


Ehm....I'm with IDK....you sure this isn't a satire? O__o

QuoteIn other news, I'm typing this from another computer because my brother's is loaded with spyware. I can't really do anything on it because all the RAM is being devoured by some beast. It is so bad, I do not even want to bother to try to fix it. My brother installed Spybot S&D, which did not find the problem. He also has AVG installed, which also has not found the problem. I have told him that perhaps he should install Lavasoft's Ad-Aware, which might catch whatever it is the other programs have missed. These are really the only programs I know of for Windows to deal with spyware/virii, he seems to be content to ride it out for now, but I refuse to even bother with a computer where programs repeatedly experience seemingly random crashes. At this point, I think he should just back up and try again. I hate to sound like a certain former VP candidate, but sadly, I do not think that now is the time to experiment with Linux. My brother has a lot of stuff he needs to get done, and I do not think he'll want to take time out to adjust to something new. I've been on him about Linux, which is an idea he seemed to be open to, but I realize that at this moment, it might not be such a good idea to even mention it (he's a lot like our father, which means he's not someone you want to bug when he's feeling pressure). Anyway, when dust finally settles, I'm hoping this will be a lesson to him. I'm also hoping I'll have an Intrepid Ibex CD ready for him (I'm dl'ing the .iso as I type).


Does he still have a restore CD for his computer? A relative of mine had a huge spyware/virus problem and I ended up doing a system restore and everything was fine...granted, she didn't have many personal files on the computer...

QuoteAVG has lost a lot of reliability lately. Otherwise, my favorite winning combination is Ad-Aware, Avast Antivirus and Comodo Firewall all at once. Stripping away preexisting anti-malware/anti-virii/firewalls and replacing them with that free triple-suite has worked for me consistently on other Windows boxes in the past.


All I have installed is AVG...should I be worried...? '___'

QuoteThat'll be nice.
Not sure if he'll enjoy the human theme, but I can honestly vouch that it is the most stable vanilla Ubuntu I've used.

I've not yet tried the Gnome version of Mandriva 2009, but the KDE4 version wasn't set up properly prior to deployment so sadly I can't recommend it except for expert or patient users (shame too -- the fast boot actually works). Maybe 2009.1 will be a winner.

If he does ever use it, recommend the "DarkRoom" theme in lieu of the default "Human" theme. It really makes it look classy.


What is it that people have against the Human theme...? I like it. Plus, who would judge an OS on it's GUI?
Title: MEWXPZLFUDAWV Club!
Post by: C-Chan on November 08, 2008, 01:38:37 am
QuoteCan I trust myself?


Sorry, I wrote to fast.  I meant to say "You have to first establish yourself as someone they can trust before they trust you to make that kind of leap...".

But still interesting to hear all that -- you never struck me as being overly cautious.  @.@

At one point as a lad I might have been like that, insecure to the point of instilling as much confidence in people as a sheep would instill fear in a pack of lions.

But after seeing/meeting countless economists, politicians and just overall rich people earning so much power, fame and respect just because they have the courage to make unconditional asses of themselves in public....

Well...

After a while you just can't help but say #%$@ it, and push forward.

Sometimes it's not a question of doing something good or bad, but just doing it.  ;)

QuoteAnyway, I really like Comodo Firewall, I generally recommend it, but that means I'll have to engage in the headache of teaching my brother how to use a firewall. I just really wish there were more open-source security tools for Windows. I noticed there's ClamAV for Windows, but supposedly it isn't as good as ClamAV on Linux. Anyway, this is one area for Windows in which FOSS is really sparse.


ClamAV for Windows is a'ight -- won't win any awards compared to Avast, but at least it's trustworthy.

Still, I do disagree.  I strongly believe that the persistence and proliferation of computer virii is a sham, permitted by Micro$oft, software makers, computer manufacturers, etc, to ensure a revenue stream through maintenance -- in much the same way as certain car parts designed for regular failure help secure a multi-billion dollar automobile repair industry.  And given the dismally-small penalties to virus writers and hackers relative to other crimes, I wouldn't be surprised if this was hood-winked by governments either.

They can work on ClamAV if they want, but pouring valuable resources to play catchup with the virus makers is like putting up a single sand bag to stop a torrential flood.  Better to stick with improving operating systems that are designed from the ground up NOT to play this silly virus game.  

Which actually brings me to another "virus" defense that open source operating systems like Linux have which is often overlooked by the It'll-Get-More-Viruses-If-It's-Popular-Crowd: what I call "Genetic Diversity".

The very same HUEG selection of distros that the above said people whine about is also one of the greatest security assets -- because all systems aren't the same.  Even the Linux kernel is different across the board, some distros using different versions, others hacking and recompiling there own custom-made versions.  Different security profiles and encryption setups are used; and as long as their respective source codes are readily available, cautious individuals and companies have the ability to modify and recompile their own custom variant of said security tools or tie in their own proprietary security solutions, thus making there system completely unique and original.

A hypothetical virus that manages to affect one Linux variant could very likely not affect 99.8% of all the other machines in existence.  Like the Debian security debacle a few months back, it got a lot of attention from people who ignored the fact that only certain users of Debian unstable were affected, but not users of Debian Stable (the majority), Debian Sid, users of older Debian systems, Knoppix users, Xandros users, Ubuntu users, etc, etc, etc....

Genetic Diversity baby! ^_________^

QuoteI'm going to leave temporarily to ensure that all goes smoothly with the burning of the Intrepid Ibex .iso.


Might as well take advantage and make yourself one of them Ubuntu LiveUSBs while yer at it....  `v'

QuoteI'd say I have to give it a try...but I still have to give Intrepid Ibex a try...


Yeah, Fedora-tan can wait.  Try Intrepid first.  Remember, you still have all those WPS files to convert and Intrepid's version of OOo may be just what the doctor ordered!  ^^

Quote
Does he still have a restore CD for his computer? A relative of mine had a huge spyware/virus problem and I ended up doing a system restore and everything was fine...granted, she didn't have many personal files on the computer...


I swear,... if I see ANOTHER STUPID HARD DRIVE "RESCUE" PARTITION AGAIN!!!  SO HELP ME!!!! >v<

*shakes hoof in air*

When I bought my first EeePC (already a year ago... wow! happy birthday, baby girl!  ^__^), I didn't know what to make of the round plastic disc it came with.  The etching looked like it said something like "Recovery Disk".  I wonder if it's edible....

Oh wait.... I remember.... yes, when I was a lad they used to include those with all the PCs of yore...  -v-

QuoteAll I have installed is AVG...should I be worried...? '___'


Uhh..... ^^

...

Well that at least could explain why your performance is so good.  ^___^'
But... well... your a nice girl and probably already avoid the sites that invite at least 70% of all the malware you could run across.  ^^;

QuoteWhat is it that people have against the Human theme...? I like it. Plus, who would judge an OS on it's GUI?


*sputters milk*

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHHA!!!!!!!!  ^V^

...

Oh Bella-hime, you're..., so... CUTE!  ^.^

Will I have to call you "Bella-chan" for a while?  ^_______^

*starts dangling cat toy*

As for my own personal opinion of the Human Theme, grey and orange just doesn't mix.  It actually helps enhance the antiquity of the GTK+ theme.  T__T;

On the other hand, black and orange with gradient-capped windows is sexy....  ^___^

*purrs*

Not to worry, though, DarkRoom also uses the Human theme icons at least, so it's not a total departure.  

You'll see what I mean when you give it a whirl.  ^.^

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[EDIT]  Or why wait?  See it in action [in the attached below].  ^.^

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Post by: Bella on November 08, 2008, 01:09:39 pm
QuoteYeah, Fedora-tan can wait. Try Intrepid first. Remember, you still have all those WPS files to convert and Intrepid's version of OOo may be just what the doctor ordered! ^^


Oh yeah...that would make a good excuse to give 'er a try.

QuoteI swear,... if I see ANOTHER STUPID HARD DRIVE "RESCUE" PARTITION AGAIN!!! SO HELP ME!!!! >v<

*shakes hoof in air*

When I bought my first EeePC (already a year ago... wow! happy birthday, baby girl! ^__^), I didn't know what to make of the round plastic disc it came with. The etching looked like it said something like "Recovery Disk". I wonder if it's edible....

Oh wait.... I remember.... yes, when I was a lad they used to include those with all the PCs of yore... -v-


The computer I had to restore for that relative only had a recovery partition, as well. I was going frickin' crazy looking for the recovery CDR...I was searching all around the house looking for the box the computer came in, rummaging though desk drawers, grilling the owner about where she may have placed it...

It was only after visiting the HP site that I discovered, lo and behold, it had this new thing called a recovery partition.

QuoteUhh..... ^^

...

Well that at least could explain why your performance is so good. ^___^'
But... well... your a nice girl and probably already avoid the sites that invite at least 70% of all the malware you could run across. ^^;


True that. O__o

Quote*sputters milk*

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHHA!!!!!!!! ^V^

...

Oh Bella-hime, you're..., so... CUTE! ^.^

Will I have to call you "Bella-chan" for a while? ^_______^

*starts dangling cat toy*

As for my own personal opinion of the Human Theme, grey and orange just doesn't mix. It actually helps enhance the antiquity of the GTK+ theme. T__T;

On the other hand, black and orange with gradient-capped windows is sexy.... ^___^

*purrs*

Not to worry, though, DarkRoom also uses the Human theme icons at least, so it's not a total departure.

You'll see what I mean when you give it a whirl. ^.^

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[EDIT] Or why wait? See it in action [in the attached below]. ^.^


Um...

...It's...okay... it's not, like, gorgeous or anything...and I usually use some custom theme anyhow.

Funny how I'm very utilitarian when it comes to XP, but like shiny, glossy themes with Linux...and how I think CLIs are much more exotic and interesting than GUIs... ^^

Anyhow, I just got a Walkman MP3 player and am waiting for it to charge right now. I was at Wal-Mart yesterday (as an imperfect being, I admit my one massive, everything-for-which-I-stand-against flaw is shopping at Wally World), and found out there was going to be a sale today. So my dad went out and got two of them.

When he showed up, there were people in line, as there was a $300 Compaq laptop for sale. He said he contemplated purchasing one...but then remembered how pissed I would be if he came home with a Vistard machine. XD

Oh yeah, and yesterday I got to play with an Acer Aspire One running XP. It was so cute! And teeny! K8 could eat two of them alive! ^///^
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Post by: NejinOniwa on November 08, 2008, 04:01:43 pm
QuoteOh yeah, and yesterday I got to play with an Acer Aspire One running XP. It was so cute! And teeny! K8 could eat two of them alive! ^///^

I wonder, if K8 could eat two alive, what would DELTA consume...?

She IS a damn monster, after all.

In other things: DELTA has been acting up recently. I first thought it was heat problems (again) but that doesn't seem to be the case as last time she crashed the CPU wasn't even over 60 degrees (I've seen her take 67 without problems). So it's gotta be something else, then. I'm suspecting DirectX, because it ONLY happens when I'm playing games; it's also happened on both the x64 and x86 XP's, so no good going there.

Oh, and do any of you folks have any experience with water cooling? Since I'm likely to invest in that within the month or something, I mean.

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OH. And also. I just realized, I've got a LOT of HID's plugged in simultaneously.

1 3-button Mouse
1 Dual-Wheel 6-button Mouse
1 Keyboard
1 Joystick
1 Remote Control
1 Brain-Computer Interface (NIA)

6 interfaces. Lulzy, isn't it ^^
Title: MEWXPZLFUDAWV Club!
Post by: C-Chan on November 08, 2008, 11:01:33 pm
QuoteIt was only after visiting the HP site that I discovered, lo and behold, it had this new thing called a recovery partition.


*bangs head on wall*

Since it's more than likely they realized hard drives would break often, sounds like a pretty good way to lull people into calling their very expensive technical support.  TvT

Quote...It's...okay... it's not, like, gorgeous or anything...and I usually use some custom theme anyhow.


GAH!! >v<

*collapses*

...Well in fairness, Gnome still doesn't cut it for me from a visual standpoint (except when paired with the Netbook Remix packaging), so it's really only marginally better.  But while it's no KDE or Enlightenment, I can certainly work with DarkRoom (or the Ubuntu Studio theme).

Quote
Funny how I'm very utilitarian when it comes to XP, but like shiny, glossy themes with Linux...and how I think CLIs are much more exotic and interesting than GUIs... ^^


New stuff is intriguing after all.  After watching Windows XP, 98 and 95 shells all my life, I couldn't take my eyes on any of that stuff at all because it was brand-spanking new.  Like walking into an unexplored candy store with original, homemade candy.  ^___^

And what struck me the most was that the terminal text was often in color (rare to see that in DOS).

QuoteAnyhow, I just got a Walkman MP3 player and am waiting for it to charge right now. I was at Wal-Mart yesterday (as an imperfect being, I admit my one massive, everything-for-which-I-stand-against flaw is shopping at Wally World), and found out there was going to be a sale today. So my dad went out and got two of them.


Lesse:

C-chan's Designated Weakness:  Wii
Bella's Designated Weakness:  Wally Mart

There's gotta be something about the "w"'s.  ^.^

Quote
When he showed up, there were people in line, as there was a $300 Compaq laptop for sale. He said he contemplated purchasing one...but then remembered how pissed I would be if he came home with a Vistard machine. XD


Good thing too -- a halfway-decent copy of Vista probably COSTS $300 by itself.  Even if the OEM price was half that, that leaves the OEM $150 to make your laptop.  Yeeeeeeeeeeah... that thing was destined for that village you saw in the computer ewaste video.  -.-'

QuoteOh yeah, and yesterday I got to play with an Acer Aspire One running XP. It was so cute! And teeny! K8 could eat two of them alive! ^///^


Fufufu!  I'm so glad you finally got to try one of the babies.  ^.^
Funny thing is:  Acer-chan could eat my old EeePC 4G.  

In fact I'm using Acer-chan right now -- the keyboard and screen is SO FREAKIN BIG compared to what I'm used to.  Makes it much better for working in Inkscape.  ^___^

But yeah, case in point:  the Acer Aspire One (either the Linux version or the XP one) is only a few dollars more expensive than that Compaq you mentioned -- and yet the supreme portability and rock-solid specs make it 10x more useful!  ^^

QuoteI wonder, if K8 could eat two alive, what would DELTA consume...?

She IS a damn monster, after all.


If she's anything like those freakin HUEG alienware machines, then yeah,... she'd be Godzilla-sized in comparison, with a vorocious appetite to go with it.  -v-

My old Acer POS desktop had a footprint of about 20 EeePCs (past-tense, cause I gave it away some months ago).  But my new Shuttle KPC is only 5 EeePCs worth -- certainly keeps my babies at ease.  ^___^

Quote
Oh, and do any of you folks have any experience with water cooling? Since I'm likely to invest in that within the month or something, I mean.


Well I always thought water cooling meant dunking your desktop or laptop in a pool of water.  Fufufu!!!!!!  ^.^

Quote
6 interfaces. Lulzy, isn't it ^^


My GAWD!  that computer might as well be bionic.... -v-
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Post by: Bella on November 09, 2008, 11:18:19 pm
QuoteI wonder, if K8 could eat two alive, what would DELTA consume...?

She IS a damn monster, after all.


No, I mean, literally, two of them could fit in the space K8 takes up XD

QuoteIn other things: DELTA has been acting up recently. I first thought it was heat problems (again) but that doesn't seem to be the case as last time she crashed the CPU wasn't even over 60 degrees (I've seen her take 67 without problems). So it's gotta be something else, then. I'm suspecting DirectX, because it ONLY happens when I'm playing games; it's also happened on both the x64 and x86 XP's, so no good going there.

Oh, and do any of you folks have any experience with water cooling? Since I'm likely to invest in that within the month or something, I mean.


The only cooling device I have for my computers is the "off" button. :P

QuoteOH. And also. I just realized, I've got a LOT of HID's plugged in simultaneously.

1 3-button Mouse
1 Dual-Wheel 6-button Mouse
1 Keyboard
1 Joystick
1 Remote Control
1 Brain-Computer Interface (NIA)


I have a keyboard, a touchpad, a mouse that doesn't work and a wireless mouse that's missing the USB receiver.

QuoteGAH!! >v<

*collapses*

...Well in fairness, Gnome still doesn't cut it for me from a visual standpoint (except when paired with the Netbook Remix packaging), so it's really only marginally better. But while it's no KDE or Enlightenment, I can certainly work with DarkRoom (or the Ubuntu Studio theme).


Awwwww, I like Gnome. Perhaps moreso than KDE, even. But ROX pwns them all, amiright?

QuoteNew stuff is intriguing after all. After watching Windows XP, 98 and 95 shells all my life, I couldn't take my eyes on any of that stuff at all because it was brand-spanking new. Like walking into an unexplored candy store with original, homemade candy. ^___^

And what struck me the most was that the terminal text was often in color (rare to see that in DOS).


Oh yeah...I loved playing with Beryl ^^

QuoteLesse:

C-chan's Designated Weakness: Wii
Bella's Designated Weakness: Wally Mart

There's gotta be something about the "w"'s. ^.^


And...um...Windows...too... -////-

...what!? I guess I'm a really imperfect being!

QuoteGood thing too -- a halfway-decent copy of Vista probably COSTS $300 by itself. Even if the OEM price was half that, that leaves the OEM $150 to make your laptop. Yeeeeeeeeeeah... that thing was destined for that village you saw in the computer ewaste video. -.-'


The licensing price thing is EXACTLY what I told my dad. I told him, "you do realize half the price of that computer is going toward Vista, right?"

QuoteFufufu! I'm so glad you finally got to try one of the babies. ^.^
Funny thing is: Acer-chan could eat my old EeePC 4G.

In fact I'm using Acer-chan right now -- the keyboard and screen is SO FREAKIN BIG compared to what I'm used to. Makes it much better for working in Inkscape. ^___^

But yeah, case in point: the Acer Aspire One (either the Linux version or the XP one) is only a few dollars more expensive than that Compaq you mentioned -- and yet the supreme portability and rock-solid specs make it 10x more useful! ^^


Gyah, I still don't know how I'd manage to...well...manage with such a small screen and keyboard. Might eventually look into getting one of those down the line, though, if only for the portability.
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Post by: C-Chan on November 10, 2008, 12:02:05 pm
QuoteAwwwww, I like Gnome. Perhaps moreso than KDE, even. But ROX pwns them all, amiright?


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Incidentally, you might like LXDE.  It's lighter than XFCE even, but still a [sorta] complete desktop environment.  I used it before with MiniME, but I didn't know what it was at the time.  ^^

QuoteAnd...um...Windows...too... -////-

...what!? I guess I'm a really imperfect being!


Well okay, so maybe the ONE weakness rule is a little too stringent.  ^____^

Let me adapt it to the 3-strike rule....

*dresses up like a genie*

You have THREE Official Weaknesses to declare henceforth.  ^^

Let me think of another one for myself.... -v-

*ponders*  -.-

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.........I've scorned all American fast food chains known to man, and have cursed them to hell, brimstone and eternal damnation!  ^0^

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...Except for White Castle.  ^________^;

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...And Portillo's in the Chicago metropolitan area if that counts.... -v-;

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...And I usually turn a blind eye to any Canadian fast food chain that sells poutine.  -.-;

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.......I suck.  ;___;

QuoteThe licensing price thing is EXACTLY what I told my dad. I told him, "you do realize half the price of that computer is going toward Vista, right?"


Consider his latest and greatest Mac craze, I'm still surprised he considered buying it at all.  ^^;

QuoteGyah, I still don't know how I'd manage to...well...manage with such a small screen and keyboard. Might eventually look into getting one of those down the line, though, if only for the portability.


Don't worry.
I was worried that I would never get used to the teeny tiny 7" screen or the cramped keyboard on the EeePC, but lo and behold I got used to it in about a week.  ^^

The Acer has a bigger screen and a better keyboard, so you'd get used to it even sooner.  Besides, if you're like me and end up using it 80% of the time as a digital video backlog destroyer, then the size of the screen and keyboard would kinda be irrelevant.  ^___^

If you're ever serious about getting a hold of one, let me know.  I can be your official Aspire One consultant and tech support piggy.  ^__^
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Post by: Bella on November 10, 2008, 11:42:31 pm
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Incidentally, you might like LXDE. It's lighter than XFCE even, but still a [sorta] complete desktop environment. I used it before with MiniME, but I didn't know what it was at the time. ^^


I usually just use whichever desktop environment comes with the distro. I'm not picky here ^^


QuoteWell okay, so maybe the ONE weakness rule is a little too stringent. ^____^

Let me adapt it to the 3-strike rule....

*dresses up like a genie*

You have THREE Official Weaknesses to declare henceforth. ^^

Let me think of another one for myself.... -v-

*ponders* -.-

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.........I've scorned all American fast food chains known to man, and have cursed them to hell, brimstone and eternal damnation! ^0^

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...Except for White Castle. ^________^;

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...And Portillo's in the Chicago metropolitan area if that counts.... -v-;

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...And I usually turn a blind eye to any Canadian fast food chain that sells poutine. -.-;

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.......I suck. ;___;


Oh no, food is a weakness for me, too. Good thing I try to eat healthy. And have the metabolism of a hummingbird on speed.

But every day, I have to have something sweet even if it's just a chunk of chocolate. And every so often I'll have to have something fried. And maybe I do go to fast food places a bit too often...but I always order a salad or something...like that helps. Gyah, you couldn't pay me to eat a burger at a fast food joint. >__<

QuoteConsider his latest and greatest Mac craze, I'm still surprised he considered buying it at all. ^^;


This guy likes a bargain, though... :P

QuoteDon't worry.
I was worried that I would never get used to the teeny tiny 7" screen or the cramped keyboard on the EeePC, but lo and behold I got used to it in about a week. ^^

The Acer has a bigger screen and a better keyboard, so you'd get used to it even sooner. Besides, if you're like me and end up using it 80% of the time as a digital video backlog destroyer, then the size of the screen and keyboard would kinda be irrelevant. ^___^

If you're ever serious about getting a hold of one, let me know. I can be your official Aspire One consultant and tech support piggy. ^__^


You'll be the first to find out if I get an Aspire One. ;)

In other news, my wireless router has stopped working. It still works as a wired router, but it doesn't seem to transmit any wireless signals. I don't know what could have happened to it...

Not a huge tragedy, though...the same model's still on sale, for half the price of what I paid originally. I just don't like to admit defeat, but I don't know what I could do to try and fix it. : |
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Post by: NejinOniwa on November 11, 2008, 08:45:12 am
Quote
This guy likes a bargain, though... :P

Just how the hell is a Mac a BARGAIN? It costs a fortune, by Hael!

Quote
In other news, my wireless router has stopped working. It still works as a wired router, but it doesn't seem to transmit any wireless signals. I don't know what could have happened to it...

Hum, hum, hum. Did you try going into the router's config page and looking around? What model is it, btw? I've had some times when I've accidentally set my router on weird modes and it wouldn't work; then again, routers are strange things, so it could just be something random.

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Oh no, food is a weakness for me, too. Good thing I try to eat healthy. And have the metabolism of a hummingbird on speed.

But every day, I have to have something sweet even if it's just a chunk of chocolate. And every so often I'll have to have something fried. And maybe I do go to fast food places a bit too often...but I always order a salad or something...like that helps. Gyah, you couldn't pay me to eat a burger at a fast food joint. >__<

My turn?
I've got a metabolism equivalent to the energy consumption of the damn LHC, but that also gives me the awesome(!) feat of not at all having to care a shit about what I eat, as long as I don't cram on sweet stuff that will break my teeth.
I'm not that much of a sweet tooth, but if there is ice cream, there will be no more once it's gotten in my sights. Also ginger bread = DELICIOUS, OM NOM NOM.
As for fast food...

...working part-time and eating it for lunch makes liking it almost a prerequisite for survival. -v-;


In other news, I've been fluxing around with some overly stupid HTML coding recently. I'll see what I can do with that myself, but do any of you folks know anything that might help me? Plzkthx.
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Post by: Bella on November 12, 2008, 02:55:49 pm
QuoteJust how the hell is a Mac a BARGAIN? It costs a fortune, by Hael!


Well, he appreciates a bargain, but isn't so tight that he won't spend some money if the need be ^^'

Then again, he has been having second thoughts about an iMac...the Mac Mini seems to interest him, too. If it was up to me I'd pull for a MacBook, cause that would be a lot easier for me to...commandeer...when my computer goes on the fritz. XD

Hum, hum, hum. Did you try going into the router's config page and looking around? What model is it, btw? I've had some times when I've accidentally set my router on weird modes and it wouldn't work; then again, routers are strange things, so it could just be something random.

It's a Linksys WRT54G-- I checked the Linksys help forums, and it seems sudden malfunction isn't all that uncommon for this model. I have no idea how I could have messed it up, I never played around with the settings.
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Plus more signs point to some sort of malfunction, for example, it was transmitting signals on and off. It would work for a minute or two, and then go stop, and then start up again. Really frustrating stuff.

QuoteMy turn?
I've got a metabolism equivalent to the energy consumption of the damn LHC, but that also gives me the awesome(!) feat of not at all having to care a shit about what I eat, as long as I don't cram on sweet stuff that will break my teeth.
I'm not that much of a sweet tooth, but if there is ice cream, there will be no more once it's gotten in my sights. Also ginger bread = DELICIOUS, OM NOM NOM.


I actually am not the sort of person who can sit down and eat a huge meal...I can subsist on very small meals, but I seem to eat more often. But yeah, I don't really have to care about what I eat, either.

...but, my instincts kinda tell me what I should be eating. Quite often I'll want some sweets, but when I try to eat them I'll feel sick. I know what foods not to eat, cause just about them them will make nauseous. Or I'll suddenly have a craving for something odd, like cranberries, coconut, or a pomegranate. So I'll go to the store and buy one and eat it. XD

QuoteAs for fast food...

...working part-time and eating it for lunch makes liking it almost a prerequisite for survival. -v-;


Wow...I didn't know they had fast food places...where you live...^^

QuoteIn other news, I've been fluxing around with some overly stupid HTML coding recently. I'll see what I can do with that myself, but do any of you folks know anything that might help me? Plzkthx.


I did a bit of HTML back in the day...wasn't very good at it, though, so I'm of no help.

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Oh yeah, we talked so much about the Seinfeld Vista ads, I just had to post this. MAD Magazine seems to be a pretty equal-opportunity offender when it comes to computers (they often lampoon both Billy Boy and Steve Jobs), but they seem to have a special amount of rage toward Vista (once calling it "Winblows", another time saying it was a good excuse to convert to Linux!

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Post by: C-Chan on November 12, 2008, 03:44:09 pm
QuoteBut every day, I have to have something sweet even if it's just a chunk of chocolate. And every so often I'll have to have something fried. And maybe I do go to fast food places a bit too often...but I always order a salad or something...like that helps. Gyah, you couldn't pay me to eat a burger at a fast food joint. >__<


Fufufu... so you're saying the ground, filthy, putrid, decaying remainds of the flesh, fat, bones, muscle, some hair and other assorted body parts that pass minimum food safety standards [and let's admit it, some stuff that DOESN'T pass the test... ;D] of no less than 10,000 wrongly-nourished and incarcerated cow carcasses, combined with chemical additives and other miscellaneous fauna sacrificed for filler [or just stupid enough to hang around the grinders] just DOESN'T SOUND TASTY TO YOU?!!!  @.@

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Tsk tsk tsk, she's so picky, this girl.... ^.^

QuoteThis guy likes a bargain, though... :P


$300 for a "bargain" PC is soooooooooooooooo 2005.  -v-

I think $100 USD is cutting it.  ^.^

QuoteNot a huge tragedy, though...the same model's still on sale, for half the price of what I paid originally. I just don't like to admit defeat, but I don't know what I could do to try and fix it. : |


Hmmm... unfortunately I don't know a thing about wireless myself (I rarely use it on my netbooks even), so in this particular case only Nejin-san can save you.  ;___;

I would probably do as he says -- I recall that some routers allow you to reset them to their default factory settings.

QuoteIn other news, I've been fluxing around with some overly stupid HTML coding recently. I'll see what I can do with that myself, but do any of you folks know anything that might help me? Plzkthx.


You like fish?  ^^

http://bluefish.openoffice.nl/

Nvu was good when it was being supported, but I'm not too sure if it still is.....

http://net2.com/nvu/

However, Kompozer seems to be its successor:

http://kompozer.net/

QuoteThen again, he has been having second thoughts about an iMac...the Mac Mini seems to interest him, too. If it was up to me I'd pull for a MacBook, cause that would be a lot easier for me to...commandeer...when my computer goes on the fritz. XD


I actually fancy the Mac Mini more for its portability.  ^^
However, that's assuming you have good monitors -- otherwise, for sure it might be better to buy a machine that already has a "monitor" attached to it.  ^.^

Or you can wait if Apple will FINALLY release a netbookesque machine (doubt it, though... opportunity for that has come and gone....).

QuotePlus more signs point to some sort of malfunction, for example, it was transmitting signals on and off. It would work for a minute or two, and then go stop, and then start up again. Really frustrating stuff.


In that case, exercise your "right" as a consumer and start getting on the company's case.  ^___~

Quote...but, my instincts kinda tell me what I should be eating. Quite often I'll want some sweets, but when I try to eat them I'll feel sick. I know what foods not to eat, cause just about them them will make nauseous. Or I'll suddenly have a craving for something odd, like cranberries, coconut, or a pomegranate. So I'll go to the store and buy one and eat it. XD


*thinks of Earth Maiden Arjuna and chortles*  Fufufufu.... ^.^

I'm actually kinda like that with Bubble Tea myself.  The craving for lychee, peach or almond comes up and OFF I go.... ^___^

At this point it's probably worth my while to learn how to make those tapioca pearls.  -.-

QuoteOh yeah, we talked so much about the Seinfeld Vista ads, I just had to post this. MAD Magazine seems to be a pretty equal-opportunity offender when it comes to computers (they often lampoon both Billy Boy and Steve Jobs), but they seem to have a special amount of rage toward Vista (once calling it "Winblows", another time saying it was a good excuse to convert to Linux!


"Yes they are a couple of morons.  Now let's go to the Apple Store."

Double, Triple, Quadruple Bypass LOLZ!!!  ^V^

They should have seen it coming.  ^^
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Post by: Bella on November 13, 2008, 12:14:02 am
Quote$300 for a "bargain" PC is soooooooooooooooo 2005. -v-

I think $100 USD is cutting it. ^.^


That's convenient! The last computer he bought was in 2005!

QuoteHmmm... unfortunately I don't know a thing about wireless myself (I rarely use it on my netbooks even), so in this particular case only Nejin-san can save you. ;___;

I would probably do as he says -- I recall that some routers allow you to reset them to their default factory settings.


Tried it. Held the reset button for 30 seconds like the manual said, nothing. I'm really quite dependent on wireless networks. The cable's only run to one place in the house...still...so unless I want to connect to the DLS and sit in the vicinity of the TV, I have to use wifi.  

Oh well, I'm still keeping the router (along with all my old hardware). Someday I might be able to make something of it.

QuoteI actually fancy the Mac Mini more for its portability. ^^
However, that's assuming you have good monitors -- otherwise, for sure it might be better to buy a machine that already has a "monitor" attached to it. ^.^

Or you can wait if Apple will FINALLY release a netbookesque machine (doubt it, though... opportunity for that has come and gone....).


Yeah, the Mac Mini I'm not as keen on as he'd have to buy the monitor, keyboard, mouse, speakers, etc...which would probably add up to several hundred dollars extra. I like the iMac 'cause it's a lot simpler.

He's the one funding it, though, so it's up to him.

QuoteIn that case, exercise your "right" as a consumer and start getting on the company's case. ^___~


On a good note, it's one of the few routers whose firmware is 100% open source!

Quote*thinks of Earth Maiden Arjuna and chortles* Fufufufu.... ^.^

I'm actually kinda like that with Bubble Tea myself. The craving for lychee, peach or almond comes up and OFF I go.... ^___^

At this point it's probably worth my while to learn how to make those tapioca pearls. -.-


Bubble tea...that's quite adventurous... ^^

I actually happen to be incredibly sensitive...in a lot of ways...right down to what I'm eating. Last spring, despite being lactose-tolerant to my best knowledge, I suddenly felt I shouldn't be drinking milk. So I switched soy milk and rice milk. o.O

Quote"Yes they are a couple of morons. Now let's go to the Apple Store."

Double, Triple, Quadruple Bypass LOLZ!!! ^V^

They should have seen it coming. ^^


I should really post the "Top Five Reasons to Covert to Vista" list. That was lol'worthy.
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Post by: C-Chan on November 13, 2008, 11:26:30 am
QuoteTried it. Held the reset button for 30 seconds like the manual said, nothing. I'm really quite dependent on wireless networks. The cable's only run to one place in the house...still...so unless I want to connect to the DLS and sit in the vicinity of the TV, I have to use wifi.

Oh well, I'm still keeping the router (along with all my old hardware). Someday I might be able to make something of it.


Hau hau hau.... ;__;
Couldn't help Bella-hime with this one... suckage meter is creeping back up.  -o-

*pays Hau Hau Tax*

QuoteYeah, the Mac Mini I'm not as keen on as he'd have to buy the monitor, keyboard, mouse, speakers, etc...which would probably add up to several hundred dollars extra. I like the iMac 'cause it's a lot simpler.


Oh.... thought you guys already had a desktop lying around.  If that were the case, it would simply be a matter of replacing the existing Desktop with the Mac Mini.  ^___^

If all youz guys have is laptops, then yeah.... iBook is more efficient (unless you buy a really cheap monitor/keyboard/mouse/speakers).  -v-

QuoteBubble tea...that's quite adventurous... ^^


Hardly.... imagine drinking a flavored iced tea (or milk shape) with gummy bears and a REALLY thick straw, and you have bubble tea (or Boba Tea or Pearl Tea as it may also be known).  I am one to try new things frequently though (except non-plant-based seafood, which I not only despise but also seem to be allergic to). ^___^'

QuoteI actually happen to be incredibly sensitive...in a lot of ways...right down to what I'm eating. Last spring, despite being lactose-tolerant to my best knowledge, I suddenly felt I shouldn't be drinking milk. So I switched soy milk and rice milk. o.O


As a kid the smell and "nata" of fresh farm milk actually repulsed me a lot, so I've come to instinctually dislike milk (even the pasteurized stuff) even if I am still capable of drinking it.  Rice milk I do love and drink regularly, since it's not only devoid of the strange aftertaste and throat-tingling sensation of soy milk, but it also reminds me of one of my most favorite variants of horchata.  

Almond milk is also not bad, but hardly cost-efficient.  -v-

QuoteI should really post the "Top Five Reasons to Covert to Vista" list. That was lol'worthy.


Post away, milady.  ^__^

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In other news, there was a brief mention of Xenix-sama today... aside from the usual seedy business from SCO:

http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20081113061529788
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Post by: NejinOniwa on November 13, 2008, 11:36:50 am
QuoteAs a kid the smell and "nata" of fresh farm milk actually repulsed me a lot, so I've come to instinctually dislike milk (even the pasteurized stuff) even if I am still capable of drinking it. Rice milk I do love and drink regularly, since it's not only devoid of the strange aftertaste and throat-tingling sensation of soy milk, but it also reminds me of one of my most favorite variants of horchata.

Almond milk is also not bad, but hardly cost-efficient. -v-

Rice milk? ALMOND milk!? Are there even such things!?!

Soy milk exists here, but we drink and use so damn much milk to basically everything here, so it's not very normal. My household doesn't consume much, but my clone's household slaughters some 2 liters of regular milk per DAY. That's a damn boatload, man.
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Post by: C-Chan on November 13, 2008, 01:00:48 pm
As I always say... "The Proof is in the Thumbnails".  ^.^

(http://images.ciao.com/iuk/images/products/normal/484/product-6376484.jpg) (http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/31RXKS5GAWL._SL500_AA220_.jpg)

But yeah, that's a real pool's worth of milk right there!  Might be better for them to invest in some cows (or goats?) and get it over with.  ^___^'
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Post by: Bella on November 13, 2008, 04:42:51 pm
QuoteHau hau hau.... ;__;
Couldn't help Bella-hime with this one... suckage meter is creeping back up. -o-

*pays Hau Hau Tax*


No, wireless networking is kind of mysterious me, too...I only use it cause I have to, really. ^^

QuoteOh.... thought you guys already had a desktop lying around. If that were the case, it would simply be a matter of replacing the existing Desktop with the Mac Mini. ^___^

If all youz guys have is laptops, then yeah.... iBook is more efficient (unless you buy a really cheap monitor/keyboard/mouse/speakers). -v-


Well, aside from the Compaq machine (which, kinda, sorta, got put back in storage temporarily due to underuse), yeah, all the computers in the house are laptops.

QuoteHardly.... imagine drinking a flavored iced tea (or milk shape) with gummy bears and a REALLY thick straw, and you have bubble tea (or Boba Tea or Pearl Tea as it may also be known). I am one to try new things frequently though (except non-plant-based seafood, which I not only despise but also seem to be allergic to). ^___^'


Ooooh, I love seafood. All sorts of fish, shrimp, squid-- lobster I find disgusting, but crab is great. Damned expensive, though, so I don't have it very often.

QuoteAs a kid the smell and "nata" of fresh farm milk actually repulsed me a lot, so I've come to instinctually dislike milk (even the pasteurized stuff) even if I am still capable of drinking it. Rice milk I do love and drink regularly, since it's not only devoid of the strange aftertaste and throat-tingling sensation of soy milk, but it also reminds me of one of my most favorite variants of horchata.

Almond milk is also not bad, but hardly cost-efficient. -v-


I usually drink rice milk but soy milk is okay too...I only use normal milk for cooking and stuff cause any substitutes never seem to turn out quite right. O.o

Never heard of almond milk before, though...

QuoteIn other news, there was a brief mention of Xenix-sama today... aside from the usual seedy business from SCO:

http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20081113061529788


Wow...I thought Xenix was long forgotten...

QuoteSoy milk exists here, but we drink and use so damn much milk to basically everything here, so it's not very normal. My household doesn't consume much, but my clone's household slaughters some 2 liters of regular milk per DAY. That's a damn boatload, man.


That is a lot! We don't even go though a gallon a week here @___@


QuotePost away, milady. ^__^


Imagine that, I actually found the magazine it was in (buried in a whole stack--XD).

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Post by: IanDanKilmaster on November 13, 2008, 06:17:21 pm
QuoteI'm going to leave temporarily to ensure that all goes smoothly with the burning of the Intrepid Ibex .iso.


So yeah, obviously I didn't return as soon as originally planned.  Things popped up (and I don't mean on the computer), and it is some IRL stuff that really doesn't belong in here.  Of course, part of the reason I was gone was Fun Fun Fun Fest (more like Dust Dust Dust Fest, amirite?) which was pretty cool, but also very exhausting.  Anyway, I burned the .iso and the disc works (yay, no coaster!) so all is well.  The once riddled with spyware computer seems to be running smoothly now, checks clean with AVG/Spybot/Ad-aware, and I'm using it right now (w/PortableApps).

QuoteNvu was good when it was being supported, but I'm not too sure if it still is.....

http://net2.com/nvu/

However, Kompozer seems to be its successor:

http://kompozer.net/


Indeed, it is so.  I believe it's one of those projects that was dropped by the original developers only to be picked up sometime later and forked by a new development team.  I haven't really used it yet, but a close friend of mine says it's a great WYSIWYG editor (and he's accustomed to Dreamweaver on the university computers).  Of course, there are extensions to Firefox which are said to provide similar functionality within the browser.

QuoteAs a kid the smell and "nata" of fresh farm milk actually repulsed me a lot, so I've come to instinctually dislike milk (even the pasteurized stuff) even if I am still capable of drinking it. Rice milk I do love and drink regularly, since it's not only devoid of the strange aftertaste and throat-tingling sensation of soy milk, but it also reminds me of one of my most favorite variants of horchata.


Yeah, I'm not really too big on milk myself, but I still drink it, if only rarely (other than in my cereal).  Speaking of weaknesses, since coming to ATX, horchata* has become one of mine.  I initially thought it was too rich, but grew to really love it.  I can only imagine how well it goes with spicy foods.

QuoteIn other news, my wireless router has stopped working. It still works as a wired router, but it doesn't seem to transmit any wireless signals. I don't know what could have happened to it..


If it is open-source, as you've stated, why not try tampering with the BIOS (or whatever you call the OS housed in a router).  Try tweaking the settings manually, surely there is a guide on the forums for this sort of thing.

*for those uninitiated, horchata is sweet milk that, depending on which region of the world it is found in, can be made from almond, rice, or grain.  My favorite variant is actually rice milk blended with cow's milk and cinnamon.  Delicioso!
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Post by: C-Chan on November 14, 2008, 11:49:09 pm
QuoteWell, aside from the Compaq machine (which, kinda, sorta, got put back in storage temporarily due to underuse), yeah, all the computers in the house are laptops.


Fufufu... I'm going to venture to guess that machine is a CRT, now?  ^__^

Funny,... it's been a few months since I've had computers that old around the house.  All of them have gone off to better homes, bless their hearts.  -v-

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Ooooh, I love seafood. All sorts of fish, shrimp, squid-- lobster I find disgusting, but crab is great. Damned expensive, though, so I don't have it very often.


I used to take care of lots of hermit crabs, so eating crabs makes me kinda/sorta feel like a cannibal.  ^^;

Am surprised you don't eat seafood more often, given the [relative] proximity to the coastline.  I'd figure the Maine catch would somehow make its way more cheaply to your state.  ^^

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Never heard of almond milk before, though...


If that's the case, I have all sorts of weird milks you can try.  You haven't tasted anything until you've tasted hazelnut milk.  ^^;

QuoteWow...I thought Xenix was long forgotten...


......Necromancy.  XvX

QuoteImagine that, I actually found the magazine it was in (buried in a whole stack--XD).


BWAHAHAHA!!!!!  That was distributed to my friends within seconds of seeing that.  ^___^

QuoteAnyway, I burned the .iso and the disc works (yay, no coaster!) so all is well. The once riddled with spyware computer seems to be running smoothly now, checks clean with AVG/Spybot/Ad-aware, and I'm using it right now (w/PortableApps).


Poor Ian... but as long as all is well, I'm glad for ya.  ;)

Hopefully you managed to give the Ibex a spin (although probably so if you confirmed it wasn't a coaster).  -v-

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Indeed, it is so. I believe it's one of those projects that was dropped by the original developers only to be picked up sometime later and forked by a new development team. I haven't really used it yet, but a close friend of mine says it's a great WYSIWYG editor (and he's accustomed to Dreamweaver on the university computers). Of course, there are extensions to Firefox which are said to provide similar functionality within the browser.


The Ian speaks truthfully.  ^^
Bottom line:  There's more than one way to build a website FOR FREE!
Paid solutions are overrated in that software niche.  -v-

QuoteSpeaking of weaknesses, since coming to ATX, horchata* has become one of mine. I initially thought it was too rich, but grew to really love it. I can only imagine how well it goes with spicy foods.


Brother From Another Mother!!  ^v^
*hugs ian*

Clearly you're one to appreciate good tastes.  ^^
The horchata I make tends to be a lot lighter, although I have tried other variants (grain-based) that are certainly thicker (and not necessarily as pleasant).  ^.^

Quote
If it is open-source, as you've stated, why not try tampering with the BIOS (or whatever you call the OS housed in a router). Try tweaking the settings manually, surely there is a guide on the forums for this sort of thing.


Well... if she's adventurous enough to mess around in VMS terminals, SURELY she wouldn't mind doing a little dissection work on her router. ^______^
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Post by: guyveroz on November 15, 2008, 01:28:00 am
Submitted for your approval by a Mac Evangelist... The power of Vista
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Post by: NejinOniwa on November 15, 2008, 05:57:25 am
O lawd. XD
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Post by: Bella on November 15, 2008, 02:11:55 pm
QuoteSo yeah, obviously I didn't return as soon as originally planned. Things popped up (and I don't mean on the computer), and it is some IRL stuff that really doesn't belong in here. Of course, part of the reason I was gone was Fun Fun Fun Fest (more like Dust Dust Dust Fest, amirite?) which was pretty cool, but also very exhausting. Anyway, I burned the .iso and the disc works (yay, no coaster!) so all is well. The once riddled with spyware computer seems to be running smoothly now, checks clean with AVG/Spybot/Ad-aware, and I'm using it right now (w/PortableApps).


Glad you have the computer running well again...

QuoteIf it is open-source, as you've stated, why not try tampering with the BIOS (or whatever you call the OS housed in a router). Try tweaking the settings manually, surely there is a guide on the forums for this sort of thing.


I think it's just an embedded OS. But yeah, I really should try updating the firmware (a newer version is available on the Linksys site).

Quote*for those uninitiated, horchata is sweet milk that, depending on which region of the world it is found in, can be made from almond, rice, or grain. My favorite variant is actually rice milk blended with cow's milk and cinnamon. Delicioso!


That sounds really tasty...

QuoteFufufu... I'm going to venture to guess that machine is a CRT, now? ^__^

Funny,... it's been a few months since I've had computers that old around the house. All of them have gone off to better homes, bless their hearts. -v-


That Compaq was especially useless in most respects, as it only had a dial-up modem and while running a liveCD it's only way of saving data would have been on floppy disks...plus it was unnervingly LOUD and made a whole range of strange revving, clacking, clicking and buzzing noises (which, admittedly, I find rather interesting in a computer).

QuoteI used to take care of lots of hermit crabs, so eating crabs makes me kinda/sorta feel like a cannibal. ^^;

Am surprised you don't eat seafood more often, given the [relative] proximity to the coastline. I'd figure the Maine catch would somehow make its way more cheaply to your state. ^^


Oh no, I eat a lot of seafood...just not a lot of crab.

Quote......Necromancy. XvX


A dead Xenix-sama would still would be more pleasant than a live SCO-tan :P

QuoteBWAHAHAHA!!!!! That was distributed to my friends within seconds of seeing that. ^___^


Haha!

QuoteWell... if she's adventurous enough to mess around in VMS terminals, SURELY she wouldn't mind doing a little dissection work on her router. ^______^


Ack, VMS is easy...wireless networking is difficult. ^^

QuoteSubmitted for your approval by a Mac Evangelist... The power of Vista


Bwahahaha!
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Post by: IanDanKilmaster on November 15, 2008, 03:47:40 pm
QuoteHopefully you managed to give the Ibex a spin (although probably so if you confirmed it wasn't a coaster). -v-


Indeed I did.  Get this, we're having a problem with a scanner my brother borrowed (I'm pretty sure it's just Windows dicking with us), but I might be able to operate it from the LiveCD - HA!

QuoteBrother From Another Mother!! ^v^
*hugs ian*


So that would make me a Manbearpig?

Kidding aside, it's nice to know we share common tastes along with interests.

QuoteSubmitted for your approval by a Mac Evangelist... The power of Vista


Double HA!

QuoteThat sounds really tasty...


Really, it is.

QuoteThat Compaq was especially useless in most respects, as it only had a dial-up modem and while running a liveCD it's only way of saving data would have been on floppy disks...plus it was unnervingly LOUD and made a whole range of strange revving, clacking, clicking and buzzing noises (which, admittedly, I find rather interesting in a computer).


Eek, sounds all too familiar.  Many of the old desktops and craptops that I owned made similar worry-some noises.  I still use a floppy drive occasionally (small apps like GRUB editors, D-BAN, memtest seem like such a waste to put on a CD), and I have to say it's not a noise I relish hearing.
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Post by: NejinOniwa on November 15, 2008, 05:09:53 pm
QuoteEek, sounds all too familiar. Many of the old desktops and craptops that I owned made similar worry-some noises. I still use a floppy drive occasionally (small apps like GRUB editors, D-BAN, memtest seem like such a waste to put on a CD), and I have to say it's not a noise I relish hearing.

DELTA has no floppy port. A built-in wireless router/receiver does the job fine enough. ^^
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Post by: C-Chan on November 16, 2008, 09:48:59 pm
A few more links for old time's sake....

A little something to connect with the Vintage-tans....

http://www.linuxlinks.com/article/20081108095758770/Emulators.html

A little something I've been proposing for a long time....  ^^

http://www.linux.com/feature/152079

And a little something netbook related.  -v-

http://itmanagement.earthweb.com/columns/article.php/3784551/Why+Youll+Buy+a+Netbook+On+Black+Friday.htm

And that should wrap it up for me.  ^___^

Ian, Nejin, Guyveroz, Bella and Co.... thank you for making this thread one of a kind.  From bumpy beginnings, to a full 28 pages worth of pure Win!  ^v^

One more time for old time's sake.... -v-

LONG LIVE THE MAC EVANGELISTS, WINDOWS XP ZEALOTS, LINUX FANS AND UNIX DISCIPLES AGAINST WINDOWS VISTA CLUB!!!!!!!!!!! ^V^

(http://ostan-collections.net/imeeji/albums/userpics/10570/MEWXPZLFUDAWV_logo4.png)

*C-chan signs off*
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Post by: NejinOniwa on November 17, 2008, 01:05:53 am
QuoteLONG LIVE THE MAC EVANGELISTS, WINDOWS XP ZEALOTS, LINUX FANS AND UNIX DISCIPLES AGAINST WINDOWS VISTA CLUB!!!!!!!!!!! ^V^
*C-chan signs off*

(http://danbooru.donmai.us/data/7da5b480ef2cdf62c02a561abfaa22e1.gif)
Salutations, all hands!
*whips one*
And let it be known that the Coding, Drawing Pig of OSC ceased his hyperactivity on the day of the release of Intel Nehalem.
READY! AIM! FIRE!
*fires all cannons on EX-CO pirate ship*
And likely, the next you'll see me would be the last, yet first, place you'd expect me to be.
*sails off*
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Post by: IanDanKilmaster on November 17, 2008, 04:58:13 am
QuoteQuote:
Brother From Another Mother!! ^v^
*hugs ian*


So that would make me a Manbearpig?

Kidding aside, it's nice to know we share common tastes along with interests.


So yeah, this^ post kind of indicates that I had no idea what C-Day was.  Had I known, I suppose I would've offered a fond send-off.  Of course, there's the possibility senpai is still lurking, so what the hell.

C-Chan, you provided a great deal of the motivation that helped me to learn as much as I have about computers.  You were always there to lend your support and encouragement.  You were also very fun to have around and have been such an enrichment to me.  As I said before, we seem to share a number of common interests, perhaps I'll find you online in some other forum.  Either way, thank you - you've been a great help.  There's a shitload more I could type here, but I'll just keep this short.  Neither the MEWXPZLFUDAWV Club nor the OSC will be quite the same without you, but it is my hope that I can somehow contribute to the void left in your absence - here's hoping we cross paths again!

*raises glass of horchata*

G'nite fellas...
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Post by: Smokey on January 13, 2009, 07:02:15 am
*Now heavy Vista user sneaks a peek before fleeing off....*

Phew, noone around...
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Post by: NejinOniwa on January 13, 2009, 08:32:29 am
SAY YOUR PRAYERS! *loads up ship-size antimatter cannon*
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Post by: Smokey on January 13, 2009, 10:12:59 am
HAH!
*creates a flurry of windows and UAC messages*

fufufufufufufufufufufu

*"user:Smokey=dissapeared" remains*
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Post by: NejinOniwa on January 14, 2009, 10:48:33 am
*opens wormhole to inside your shields*
iCheat! The newest crApple device available. Buy yours today!

...EXCEPT YOU WON'T HAVE TIME FOR THAT, SUCKER!

IMMA FIRIN MAH LAZOR

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Post by: Smokey on January 14, 2009, 11:43:02 am
AAAAH!!!

*shields himself with an ancient MacBook*
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Post by: IanDanKilmaster on February 06, 2009, 05:30:49 pm
QuoteLONG LIVE THE MAC EVANGELISTS, WINDOWS XP ZEALOTS, LINUX FANS AND UNIX DISCIPLES AGAINST WINDOWS VISTA CLUB!!!!!!!!!!! ^V^


Indeed, this place is just such a whirlwind of activity, ne? -__-;

DevArt stole our key contributors, those bastards (DevArt, not the contributors).  With all the Vista and Windows 7 news the past few months, you'd think more people would be posting here, but meh...

Anyway, I mostly used this place for tech support and Ubuntu questions since the Linux thread is pretty much dead (how many here are left that actually use GNU/Linux anyway?).  Not much has changed - I have yet another Ubuntu question.  I was searching the repos the other day and found an interesting little program called kawari8.  Apparently it's open-source middleware for something called ninix-aya, which I searched on wikipedia and found this (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukagaka).  So naturally I though there would be something about it in the ubuntuforums...no.  I tried searching for every relevant term I could and there was no result for any of them.  I googled it (relevant terms + Ubuntu), but couldn't find anything in English.  So is anyone familiar with this program, I can tell it's more of a resource-waster than anything else, but still my curiosity is piqued.
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Post by: Cockleshell on February 06, 2009, 06:20:48 pm
-hops up and down- Ooh, ooh, can I join?

Vista is a joke...
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Post by: NejinOniwa on February 06, 2009, 07:07:28 pm
Read the article. Sounds interesting as a concept, but as you say, resource-heavy to a fault. Also, since it's a japanese otaku-focused program, I heavily doubt you'd find anything not in moonspeak around the web. Too bad isn't it~
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Post by: IanDanKilmaster on February 06, 2009, 08:17:07 pm
Yeah, there's already a deskmate-like program for GNU/Linux called AMOR (Amusing Misuse Of Resources) that can "communicate" with the help of scripts and the dcopserver.  It's pretty neat, but there's no AI.  That's why this interested me so much.  Funny thing is I came across it while simply looking for animation tools.  Kind of weird to find this in repos, especially in the American repos, WTF?!