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Welcome to the Mac Evangelists, Windows XP Zealots, Linux Fans and Unix Disciples Against Windows Vista Club!

Somehow a comment I made snowballed into this club. Honestly, I can say I didn't see that coming :P  It was either me or C-Chan who was going to start this thread, so I went ahead. It came from a crazy idea...what if these four incredibly different, and occasionally contentious, groups of OS fans were to see...in light of recent events...that maybe they aren't so different after all.

Please take this thread with a grain of salt, and good humor. It's meant to be a bit satirical. Be civil and factual when posting, no flaming allowed, and there's no rule against posting in favor of Vista. As long as it's kept friendly! I'd post more, but I'd like to see the input from the other co-founders.

*If I get in trouble for this...*

*wanders off*

This is why I can't be nice to you linuxers/unixers >: /

WAR



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also, somewhat [barely] related screenshot :D

Awwwwwww... there's XP-chan cutely infiltrating your Vista machine.  ^__^

In any event,..... -v-

YEEEEEEEEEEEEHAWWWWWWWWW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  ^V^

The MEWXPZLFUDAWV Club is officially open!!!!!!!!!  ^-^

Thank you, Bella the Great, for a most successful Grand Opening!!!  ^____^

Don't count on me for extra input, though, since I'm teetering on the brink of sleep-deprivation as it is.... and besides, I'd rather just CELEBRATE!!!!!!!!!!  ^V^



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Oh yeah, and wish a warm welcome to the upcoming PicoPC's:

http://linuxdevices.com/news/NS6395777363.html

...courtesty of our resident Linux-sama. ^___^

*waves a little MEWXPZLFUDAWV banner*  

Yay!  The club is made!

For the UNIX DISCIPLES.... a very cute article.  ^________^

http://www.linuxjournal.com/node/1005754

Ahhhh,... how I yearn for the good ol' days.... ^.^

(BTW, a lot of potential OS-tan ideas too,... didn't realize there was a
"Venix")

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Oh, and I'll be working on a new signature today for our club,... one of many since, as y'all know, it's Open Sauce....  

http://ostan-collections.net/downloads.php?view=detail&id=102

Please stand by.  ^___^

Wave the banner with pride fellow anti-Vistaers!

Worry not, for we need only hold out for two years, that is until the Vista enthusiasts start their war against Windows 7! ^0^

edit: Almost forgot, do we have any BSD-ers on this forum?  If not, I may end up being the very first once I convert one of my older PCs to BSD.  I'll let you guys know how it goes.

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Worry not, for we need only hold out for two years, that is until the Vista enthusiasts start their war against Windows 7! ^0^

lol no


Spoilers: I don't have anything against XP or previous Windows OS'es. Nor against the next Windows OS. I think the same applies for most Vista users...

-_-'

QuoteThis is why I can't be nice to you linuxers/unixers >: /

WAR

I wish I could be known as a "Linuxer or Unixer" XD

And nice pic! Is that an XP-tan cosplaying? :P

But I would just like to point out one thing...I have nothing against anyone for using any OS they want. I don't have to use your computer, after all. No, what I dislike is the notion that "just because it's the newest OS, it's the best" or "just because it comes with 95% of new PCs it must be better than (insert lesser known/older OS)"

I should also note that I like (NT-based) Windows; I don't dislike Vista for the simple fact of being an M$ product. But I dislike a company releasing an OS that's loaded with DRM, untested code, too high of hardware requirements and bad hardware detection, and SPP, and having the gall to price it for $250+ and say it's better than (insert lesser known/older OS).

Without above mentioned features, I probably wouldn't have such a beef with Vista.

The MEWXPZLFUDAWV has it's own topic now?

Thank you "Bella the great"

^_^ Heheheh..

Oooh, look at *Staaaaares at C-chan's sig*

Quote from: "Darknight"edit: Almost forgot, do we have any BSD-ers on this forum? If not, I may end up being the very first once I convert one of my older PCs to BSD. I'll let you guys know how it goes.

Ho? Interesting! Keep us posted on your adventures with...the little devil. -w-

Quoteedit: Almost forgot, do we have any BSD-ers on this forum? If not, I may end up being the very first once I convert one of my older PCs to BSD. I'll let you guys know how it goes.

I tried dabbling with DesktopBSD a while ago, but it didn't quite work out.  Had much better luck with PC-BSD, but only on virtual console.  Ironically, FreeB-chan is not particularly newbie-friendly.  ^___^;

QuoteI wish I could be known as a "Linuxer or Unixer" XD

Oh, we can call ourselves anything in this business. ^.^

QuoteBut I would just like to point out one thing...I have nothing against anyone for using any OS they want. I don't have to use your computer, after all. No, what I dislike is the notion that "just because it's the newest OS, it's the best" or "just because it comes with 95% of new PCs it must be better than (insert lesser known/older OS)"

Daijoubu, Bella-sama.  ^___^
The fact that the greatest peacemaker in the OS-tan world founded this clube means speaks volumes for the civility.  (now you see what I meant, right?)

But even Ghandi had people that hated him, so you just have to resign yourself to the fact that,... well,.... there will always be classic cases of projection which turns martyrs into maggots, and gentle sheep into rabinous wolves.  ^.^

QuoteOooh, look at *Staaaaares at C-chan's sig*p/quote]

Thank you, I made that quickly in a few minutes.  One of the many things you can do with an open-sauced SVG file available for download here at our forum!  No charge!  ^__~

Anyway, sorry to leave it at that, but my battery on my EeePC-chan's about to give.  C ya all later!  ^^

QuoteBut even Ghandi had people that hated him,

But Ghandi promoted social critique and whatnot, not "hey, lets haet the british" . Your banner is more about hate than critique >_>.


And since this is on the OS-tan subforum, I fear this might derive into OS-tan hate.
Which of course, I won't tolerate ¬¬

Humm.. I see Im going to have to watch this thread closely.

I have never once attempted to squash anyones opinions about anything.   Heck I enjoy a good passionate debate about a subject, dispite some people not being able to have a discussion without being personaly offended if people dont agree with them.  But darknight is right, dispite the founders opening statement about the civilness of this thread its got all the makings of well.. a hate group.

You guys have dozens of threads across the forum in which you discuss your beefs with vista, the pros and cons of differnt oses, etc... Heck, dispite the whole OStan fandom starting with the most well known windows-tans, I'd say a good portion of this forum (at least the actively posting) supports all of your "open source yadda yadda" oses and the like.    

And also, like he said, this isnt in the "computer disscusion" area, this is in the OS-tan fanfics, comics, and fan stuff,  so a "anti vista" thread here is more or less against the tan, not the system.  I could move your thread to the appropriate sub-forum if you like.

Tho nothing has been done in the thread currently (cept the dubbius nature of the way its... potrayed)  I cant say I have a reason to lock or close it, but like I said, Ill be watching it closely.  Id advise everyone to concider not posting in this thread due to formentioned resons, and Id also advise everyone that intends on posting in it to be careful how they word their "civil discussion."

Remember, OS-tan Hurt/Heal was taken down because of putting OS-tan against OS-tan.  This topic falls dangerously close to that.

ok, just posting here in order to explain my point of view to avoid creating drama >_>

It's ok If you want to discuss about why you don't like Windows Vista. No one here is a superior entity with rights to decide who's wrong or who's right about their choice of OS (as Bella already pointed). Nor it's wrong to point the flaws of a certain object. Heck, even when I don't share most of your views towards the software industry, I don't think it's wrong to discuss that.

But If people are going for that, I think that the computer & gaming subforum would be a more appropriate place to discuss OS'es.

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now, yeah, I called this a "hate thread". In the same satirical spirit this thread is supposed to be kept. Now, before anyone comes here claiming that the capt and I are just trying to impose "Windows superiority" (when the open source is majority T_T), just take the words of the Capt. as a warning reinforcing the first post on this thread: take this as a satire, with humor. But please keep serious discussions about the OS in the computer & gaming forums. Otherwise, this thread derives into "serious business".
And when that happens, the term "hate thread" becomes also serious T_T-

srsly, OS-tans =/= serious business T_T

Fufufu,,.,. the party crashers arrived far later than I thought.    ^^
Probaby tied up in forum games.  -v-

In any event, glad they're here, cause this is a valuable lesson on the trials and tribulations that await us, brave members of the MEWXPZLFUDAWV (surely you didn't think it was gonna be all fun and games, right?)  `v'

Here we have a classic marketing, borderline-psyops ploy used to disrupt and destroy an opposing group.

- Projection - "against" isn't the same as "hate", but one sees what one wants to see.

- Guilt - pitting oneself as a victim of a credibly disenfranchised minority, despite that one represents a severely powerful majority.

- Intimidation - using one's legal and/or financial weight to scare or create problems that don't originally exist.

- Forgery - coming up with fantastical tales to compensate for lack of research -- or intentionally not researching to back any of hte previous tactics.

In other words, here's our first taste of classic FUD.

"Fear, Uncertainty and Doubt"

It is a terrible and dramatic thing, I know.,  -v-

But don't worry, cause as long as one stays confident, resolute, focused, law-abiding and reasonable, there's nothing to fear.  ^____^

So your first mission,...

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Post.  ^v^
Nothing more nothing less than just post a lot and as you normally do.  

Cause as a wise person once said:

"First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win. "

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I am saddened at the current form of discussion. Please don't argue; this is not a hate club. Our club name doesn't call vista names, it doesn't discriminate against those who use the system, Technically we don't even say it's a bad system. Suppose we had called it  "The People Who Don't Use Vista Club?" In essence they are the same thing. We share a common aspect: we have no desire to use Windows Vista. I echo the words of our honorable leader, Bella-sama: [Keep it] friendly!

Now enough about club opposition, and onto news from the department of Mac affairs. ^.^
An interesting tidbit I picked up from the Wine mailing list: Leopard is able to load and understand Windows Portable Executable (PE) files which is the common format for Windows applications and libraries. Nifty, eh? Of course, some people are saying that Apple is integrating Windows virtualization into Mac OS X itself. Not an entirely new rumor, but one that is starting to show some substantiation!

Darnit, am I supposed to post or not? ;)

I cannot speak for anybody else, but my personal feelings are:

-This concept started satirically and jokingly, and I want to keep it this way! I've always had a good sense of humor and enjoyed a bit of fun being poked at the things I hold dear (be it my country, beliefs, heritage...or much less serious things like OSs).

-I'm not a contentious person by nature, and like to keep the peace...I try to give everyone, whether or not I agree with or not, a chance to explain their side. I think the truth in life lies on neither side, but the middle.

-I don't want this to be an OS-tan vs. OS-tan kinda thing. Politics aside I like Vis-tan; she's a beautiful and befitting character design. I also want to keep the users out of it, as I think Darknight and the Capt. are both great people, excellent and unique artists, and add a lot to this forum! I try not to let petty things get in the way of who I socialize with.

-I would like to reiterate, I have nothing against Windows, Vista or MS; What I do dislike is companies messing with the consumer. If Apple or a Linux distributer up and decided to change things around with their OS and made it *less satisfactory in the eyes of many*, I'd oppose them too.

-We have to remember, these are OSs. This is not a life-and-death matter. I've always had an odd fascination with OS zealotry, how some users can have a religious-like zeal about the program running their computer, and consider all other OSs garbage and their users idiots. Luckily, I don't think we have a single person like that at our forum.
I might be sounding hypocritical about now...after all, I really love XP. Truth be said, I sometimes feel silly for my attachment to this OS, but I am not a fan of XP exclusively, love to try different things, and I recognize there are OSs better than the ones I like. Whether they're better for me, however, has yet to be determined.

Perhaps the OS-tans add a certain layer of drama and interest to inanimate OSs, which is probably why I like the concept ;)

I agree with the Capt. that this thread should perhaps be moved to the computers and gaming section, too. Furthermore, I applaud Darknight for taking this with some humor ;)

QuoteCause as a wise person once said:

"First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win. "

Ahem...perhaps the third part should be "then they debate you" and the fourth, "then you come to a amiable concordance" ;)

QuoteNow enough about club opposition, and onto news from the department of Mac affairs. ^.^
An interesting tidbit I picked up from the Wine mailing list: Leopard is able to load and understand Windows Portable Executable (PE) files which is the common format for Windows applications and libraries. Nifty, eh? Of course, some people are saying that Apple is integrating Windows virtualization into Mac OS X itself. Not an entirely new rumor, but one that is starting to show some substantiation!

Does that mean OS X may be able to run some Windows applications?

The Great Bella-sama has spoken, thus there is no more room to debate! ^v^
The doubters have had their say, have given their warnings. I don't think anything more needs to be said on the subject, please?
Well, except... Bella-sama didn't give a definite answer to moving the thread. ^^'

QuoteDoes that mean OS X may be able to run some Windows applications?

Well technically OS X has been able to run some windows apps under a special port of Wine, but now it seems to natively support some apps. Nifty feature, I think ^-^

Why do I know this is going to seem like I'm waffling? -__-

I think the Capt and Darknight have made quite a good point, this thread is really, really rife with the potential for flamebait.  I commend Bella on her subject description for this thread because I think it properly sets the tone as being satirical, but despite that each of us feel very strongly about what is and isn't our OS of choice and those feelings lend themselves very easily into flamewars.  I believe that I share the same concern as Darknight when I say that it might not take too long for any of us to take this "crusade" too seriously (and that is, if it should ever get serious at all).  Keep in mind, how many of us would still feel as good-humored once an anti-Linux or anti-Mac thread got started (not that I expect it, just stating it hypothetically)?

While not really as major an issue, this thread's presence in OS-tan discussions should probably be resolved.  I would suggest that this thread be dedicated to solely artwork relating to the topic, but I think that anti-Vistan (I mean, artwork that actually depicted Vistan in it) art would end up being bonafide grounds for flamebait.  So I suppose this would be best placed in Computers & Gaming, but I'm concerned as to how that might give the impression that we're having a serious discussion.  Without better suggestions, I'm glad this really isn't my call.

To reference my earlier post, I apologize if that came across as an actual attack.  While the comment may have had some small bit of spite attached, I assure you I only meant it as a rib (not a very good one, but still I was only kidding).  Furthermore, I also realize that I should've noticed my ribbing was directed not at the OS itself, but the users and for that I also I apologize.

P.S.  If parts of this post seem a little late, it's because it took awhile to type and after I hit the post button I was presented with a notice that let me know that there had been posting since I started to type.  So I think Tsubashi and Bella each covered some ground in their posts that I suppose I'm simply retreading.  Sorry but there was alot of things I wanted to say and it would take me awhile to edit the posts to remove dated content.

Then its pretty much decided. This is about the OS itself, not the tan, and thus shall be moved to the computers and gaming subforum.  I have many more things to say on the subject, but as they do the forum no good and they are personal opnions and feelings on the subject and there are no room for such as a mod I will simply move the thread and monitor it as nessicary.  

The topic has already been flagged for possible problems, so please be very careful what you say in the thread and think about it before you say it.

Good call, Captain :)

Honestly, I'd rather use my "system resources" for better stuff than bickering about which OS is better than another. Let's keep it intelligent and friendly...Tsubashi bringing up the Windows/OS X compatibility is a good point of "Windows/Mac friendliness" ;)

Awwww,... you moved the thread to the Computer section far too quickly.  And I had so much cute art planned with our quadruple OS-tan team..... ;___;

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Oh wait a sec,... I don't have the time to draw all that....
So I guess this works out for me after all,.... -v-

*C-chan puts feet up and lazily shuffles paper around pretending to be busy*

In any event, congratulations y'all for surviving your first challenge admirably.  ^^

You've reiterated that the mission objective is about the Vista OS, as stated during our founding discussions -- cause after all, wouldn't it be insane to pick a fight with 1,275,045 Vistans?  The fact that the girls in the logo are just tugging a flag is another dead giveaway.  -v-

In any event, kudos to Tsubashi-san for his awesome new banner, Bella-dono for her proven leadership, and Mr. Batman who, although sounding abrasive at times, is at heart just playing along.   That's why I love to kid around with my paisano. ^.^

Our local moderator still needs to lighten up, but probably will as he discovers that this thread is as tame as the forum section it originally belonged to.

I admit I have trouble lightening up in some of the other lounge threads, which is why I never visit them anymore.  A damn shame to since I love some of the MSPaiint Jobs,... but alas, it's all in the name of Equivalent Trade.

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In any event, time for less sap, more news:

http://www.zdnetasia.com/news/business/0,39044229,62035012,00.htm

Fufu!  Now I only have to worry about fetching news articles!  ^v^

*skips off in search of more*

QuoteAhem...perhaps the third part should be "then they debate you" and the fourth, "then you come to a amiable concordance"

No fair,... I wrote that when the thread was still comedic satire.  ^0^

Chalk one up for a VERY creative computing solution!  ^___^

http://www.aleutia.com/offgrid/

Brought to you by a certain little puppy....  Â¯v¯

O________O Wow. That's incredible!

*Makes me want to draw a survivalist Puppy-chan...XD*

Bwahahah!
The MEWXPZLFUDAWV is still up and running strong.
I've always been one to stick with a club or social group throughout the toughes of trials and attacks.

Now, onto the matter.

Woooooow..

*Stares in awe at the Aleutia computer*

Niiiice!

*Thumbs up*

Fufufu... oh okay, I lied about not putting artwork here.  Or rather, I REALLY wanted to be lazy, but you guys inspire me to make these silly things. ^^'

A big round of applause to Bella-san for the idea.... -v-

http://ostan-collections.net/imeeji/albums/userpics/10570/PuppyRyoga.png

This was a new type of speedy one-shot drawing I'm trying to practice with.  The time limit was set at 1 hour, but my fussiness ended up extending it to two.  Either way, I think it works out and has shading, background and anything.  

Once i add a few more touches, make the clouds a little sharper, and put my real self in vector form (didn't have access to my SVG graphic from my laptop), then I'll Open Sauce her tomorrow!  ^V^

Now how's that for an Aleutia promotion?  ^______^

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Oh, and yeah,... I'm burnt out too.  XvX

*snore*  -___- Zzzz

Oh hell, i WANT one of those... *fawn*
Just the type of thing you need when mountain hiking. -w- WANT WANT WANT, PUPPY-CHAN!!! >W<

Damn... can't-fight-Inu... Now all I need is the actual spare money and effort to buy one... I guess my lacking those is my own way of fighting the cute... Wow, I fail... but the fail is helping me win? XP

... But if I loose I get the Inu... Do I want to win!? What do I do!? *mind breaks*

*curls up into ball* Get it together... Get it together... Get it together... Get it together  Get it together... Get it together... Get it together

QuoteOh hell, i WANT one of those... *fawn*
Just the type of thing you need when mountain hiking. -w- WANT WANT WANT, PUPPY-CHAN!!! >W<

Fufu... I know what you mean,.. the UltraPortable package is REALLY cool because it comes with foldable solar panel, foldable keyboard, trickle chargers and other goodies.  Sadly, when stuff is valued in pounds, you KNOW it can't be cheap.  ^^;

QuoteDamn... can't-fight-Inu... Now all I need is the actual spare money and effort to buy one... I guess my lacking those is my own way of fighting the cute... Wow, I fail... but the fail is helping me win? XP

... But if I loose I get the Inu... Do I want to win!? What do I do!? *mind breaks*

*curls up into ball* Get it together... Get it together... Get it together... Get it together Get it together... Get it together... Get it together

No problemo, NekOsaka.  ^__^
I hear that when engaged in a dilemma on whether or not to succumb to the blind subservience of a cute puppy girl,... you can always kick your shoe into the air and see where it falls to decide.  ^.^

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Later today I'd like to start a new mini-Project assembling a list of all known energy-efficient and/or small form-factor computers that are as daring and interesting as the Aleutia above.  ^___^

In the meantime, some brief Vista news....

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/7126902.stm

and an opinion piece on MinWin....

http://techiqmag.com/2007/12/03/maximum-wait-for-minwin-windows-70/

QuoteFufufu... oh okay, I lied about not putting artwork here. Or rather, I REALLY wanted to be lazy, but you guys inspire me to make these silly things. ^^'

Hey, I already have a Valentine's day pic planned for posting here :P
But...onto topic....
O. M. Freakin. G.

I didn't see hiking survivalist Puppy-chan coming! Too cuuuuuute! ^_^ I love her Aleutia backpack XD

And in a couple of hours? That's great!

QuoteDamn... can't-fight-Inu... Now all I need is the actual spare money and effort to buy one... I guess my lacking those is my own way of fighting the cute... Wow, I fail... but the fail is helping me win? XP

... But if I loose I get the Inu... Do I want to win!? What do I do!? *mind breaks*

Ahhhh, doggirls. Catgirls get all the publicity, I've always thought doggirls were underated...

QuoteFufu... I know what you mean,.. the UltraPortable package is REALLY cool because it comes with foldable solar panel, foldable keyboard, trickle chargers and other goodies. Sadly, when stuff is valued in pounds, you KNOW it can't be cheap. ^^;

It's a carbon-footprint free computer!

QuoteIn the meantime, some brief Vista news....

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/7126902.stm

and an opinion piece on MinWin....

http://techiqmag.com/2007/12/03/maximum-wait-for-minwin-windows-70/

Well, these are certainly steps in the right direction  ;010

As much as I hate to admit it, MinWin is starting to intrigue me...

QuoteI didn't see hiking survivalist Puppy-chan coming! Too cuuuuuute!  I love her Aleutia backpack XD

And in a couple of hours? That's great!

Thank you, Bella-san.  ^^
However,....... you do know who Puppy-chan is cosplaying, right?  It's kinda 10x times as cute if you do -- certainly would explain the strange clothing and the USB umbrella and,... well,... also my presence.  ^.^

In any event, I'll be loading up the "Special Sauce" shortly.  ^__^

QuoteIt's a carbon-footprint free computer!

I have another link to the Aleutia that REALLY shows how awesome the Ultraportable package is.  Stand-by for upload in T-Minus,... whatever....  ^___^'

QuoteWell, these are certainly steps in the right direction

As much as I hate to admit it, MinWin is starting to intrigue me...

Fufu,... well one of the comments indicated that,... if M$ was desperate to come out with a better product in so little time, they could just yank FreeBSD, stuff Windows API's into it, then just disguise the whole thing so that it looks homebuilt.  Course,... then it'd have to be called "WinOSX"... fufufu....  ^v^;

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Okay,...

Time to unload the goods.... ^^

First, a finalized Aleutia-promoting PuppyLinux-tan:



Then, the super secret Sauce available to download and modify GPL style:

http://ostan-collections.net/downloads.php?view=detail&id=104

Then, a link to remember for my soon-to-be Small Form Factor Identification Project:

http://www.linuxscrew.com/2007/12/03/solar-tiny-pc-linux-sweeeet/

And then....

Sleep.  ^^'

*snore*  -___- Zzzzz

QuoteThank you, Bella-san. ^^
However,....... you do know who Puppy-chan is cosplaying, right? It's kinda 10x times as cute if you do -- certainly would explain the strange clothing and the USB umbrella and,... well,... also my presence. ^.^

In any event, I'll be loading up the "Special Sauce" shortly. ^__^

Vaguely...someone from Ranma ½?

*goes off to Wikipedia*

*Returns*

And yet another piece of the puzzle falls into place! :P

QuoteFufu,... well one of the comments indicated that,... if M$ was desperate to come out with a better product in so little time, they could just yank FreeBSD, stuff Windows API's into it, then just disguise the whole thing so that it looks homebuilt. Course,... then it'd have to be called "WinOSX"... fufufu.... ^v^;

That would be the final sign of the apocalypse O_______________O

QuoteThen, a link to remember for my soon-to-be Small Form Factor Identification Project:

http://www.linuxscrew.com/2007/12/03/solar-tiny-pc-linux-sweeeet/

Wow. I didn't realize just how tiny it was until seeing those pix!

And I'll check out that vector sketch...those clouds interest me....;)

I have joined

Hi hi hi!!!
Sorry, just quickly passing through!  Busy as a Bee today,... worked on Linux stuff yesterday evening, so didn't have a chance to post earlier....
Will do so tonight,... have OODLES of stuff to reply too.  ^.^;

In the meantime, just dumping these here since I don't have my UsB stick here:

LinuTop
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http://www.linutop.com/
http://www.slashgear.com/linutop-v12-low-power-linux-desktop-revisited-048829.php

decTOP
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https://store.dataevolution.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=DT%2D7001
http://librenix.com/?inode=11001

Aleutia
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http://www.aleutia.com/offgrid/
http://www.gadgettastic.com/2007/11/29/tiny-linux-pc-uses-just-18-watts-power-can-be-solar-powered-the-aleutia-e1/

GumStix
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http://gumstix.com/waysmalls.html

EDUCATION NEWS
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A Linux thin client for every child
http://resources.zdnet.co.uk/articles/features/0,1000002000,39291282-1,00.htm

I'll fix them up later....  C ya in a while!  ^0^

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PS:  Yo Mr. Banana!  Long time no see!  ^^

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'Kay, I'm back.  ^^

And dug up this rather interesting article as well....

http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20071205-microsoft-feeling-heat-from-linux-in-budget-flash-pc-market.html

Back yet again, but still WAY behind (currently helping out getting PCLinuxOS fully compatible with my darling EeePC-chan.  ^^

Speaking of which, I reckon she qualifies as a lower-power, SFF laptop so might as well mine a few links for her too.  ^^

Start with this one that I loved today....

Asus EeePC
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http://sourcesmouth.co.uk/blog/Forget-the-Linux-Desktop-it-s-the-Linux-Laptop-that-matters.html

All these articles make me feel like my computers are HUGE! I can't decide if that's in a good or bad way, though :P

At any rate, I have a conspiracy theory: If Google is big on open-source and Linux....I think Yahoo is supporting MS...

Hear me out...They recently ran articles critical of Apple products, and in their recent low-price laptop article, there was nary a murmur about any of these low-price Linux machines that have been cropping up. What think you?

I think it might be a way to butter up relations for a repeat of this little fiasco;

http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/05/04/microsoft-pursues-yahoo-takeover/
http://blogs.computerworld.com/node/5474

Course if that were ever to come to be, so long faithful webmail address.  ^^;

Course, it could just be the pursuit of common interest.  Yahoo is proprietary and still runs on proprietary systems, whereas Google is a strong proponent (and beneficiary) of open source.  So for Yahoo to promote open source systems might be like a competing farmer watering his rival's crops.  Similar conspiracy theories have been labeled at Dell and their botched attempt at selling Ubuntu machines -- of course they never intended to make them front-page material because they could theoretically undermine their business (you know,... get people used to the concept of replacing their PCs every 10 years, rather than 2 or less.  ^^;

Hmmm...I knew my 'spiracy sense was tingling for a reason!

In light of this and my boycotting M$ policy...

*To the Gmail!*

No, I dunno yet. I hate changing email addresses : |

Me too,... I've kept mine for years and still can't fathom the thought of switching.  TT;
But if pushed into a corner,... maybe.....

In any event, found a very interesting opinion piece on the OLPC + Windows here, although the comments for me are the true highlight:

http://www.linuxtoday.com/infrastructure/2007120601326NWHWMS#talkback_area

While it's not altogether impossible to strip-down XP enough to fit within such limited hardware, what would happen with the software,... and how do they hope to do this when they plan to discontinue support for XP next year?  Sad too that they can't even fathom the thought of using Windows 2k or Windows 98 instead.  

Suddenly, there seems to be a motive why they're so interested in making MinWin as light as possible.  Perhaps a tacit acknowledgment that the future could very well belong to smaller, lightweight, energy-efficient, portable devices?  (one could draw tons of parallels with cars right about now... ^^')

Also,... while they're not officially club members,.... here's a bit of interesting OS/2 news:

http://advice.cio.com/esther_schindler/should_ibms_os_2_be_open_sourced
http://blogs.the451group.com/opensource/2007/12/10/open-source-or-not-ibm-owes-os2-world-an-answer/

More OS/2 news.  ^__^

http://www.os2world.com/content/view/15847/1/

Added after 2 minutes:

And ZOMG!!!!!!!!!!!!

It's possible that we have a new contender.... ^^

http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS6962839488.html

Oh, wow....I really hope they open source OS/2!

It would be the closest thing we'll probably ever see to open source Windows...! But considering IBM, I wouldn't get my hopes up : |

As for the Everex gOS laptop...awwww....I gotta admit I was hoping it'd be a bit...bigger...;) I'm quite used to desktop replacing laptops, and our 14'' notebook even seemed tiny to me not to long ago...

GAAAAAAAAAH!!!  XvX

*collapses*

....I thought you'd be a little happier that the Everex lappy were a mini... and cheap at that.  ^^;

But don't let your guard down,... this is BIG news, and you can bet our good friends at Redmond will scratch, claw and spit to get at a piece of the action... ASAP.    ^___^

QuoteOh, wow....I really hope they open source OS/2!

It would be the closest thing we'll probably ever see to open source Windows...! But considering IBM, I wouldn't get my hopes up : |

Me neither, but then a few years ago Sun open sourcing Java would've been unheard of.  Plus I saw the original letter sent to the IBM execs, and it does at least suggest particular components of OS/2 that are [supposedly] 100% IBM owned, and thus have no M$ weight to them.  But yes,... as one of the authors correctly pointed out,... what incentive do they have to go back and sift through 20 years of notes and JUNK -- potentially landing themselves in legal problems even with a minor slip-up -- just to open source something they'd rather forget forever and ever to begin with?  ^^;

QuoteOh, wow....I really hope they open source OS/2!

It would be the closest thing we'll probably ever see to open source Windows...! But considering IBM, I wouldn't get my hopes up

... T_T
Like Senpai said, there's way too much politics involved in this to hope. I hoped for a long time (and still do, to some extent) but IBM drags their feet, so to speak. I think I pretty much gave up all logical hope when they withdrew support and whatnot. The whole thing is a big mess, I don't think even they know what all is going on. As far as I can tell, they don't have any PR people for it, and almost all the original developers are long gone. It's a tangled web, and one that I don't think will be undone, sadly. Ah, well. Guess I'll have to live with my old beta CD. ^.^

*sigh*

Can I be a member as well? I sure hate Windows Vista for being bloated, DRM-ridden, unfree, buggy, activation-requiring and cycles-wasting! And 98 for similar reasons (but even more because I have to use it sometimes)!

I'll let you in on a secret, Tux-dono.

YOU ARE ALREADY A MEMBER .W.

Quote...I thought you'd be a little happier that the Everex lappy were a mini... and cheap at that. ^^;

But don't let your guard down,... this is BIG news, and you can bet our good friends at Redmond will scratch, claw and spit to get at a piece of the action... ASAP. ^___^

I dunno, maybe it comes from the fact that while I kinda dislike desktops and prefer laptops, I don't need a ton of mobility for mine. K8 hardly ever ventures from her desk....

As for M$, didn't they already try that with the Origami?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ultra-Mobile_PC

http://www.channelinsider.com/article/Microsoft+Preps+Ultramobile+PC+for+Second+Chance/181124_1.aspx

Quote... T_T
Like Senpai said, there's way too much politics involved in this to hope. I hoped for a long time (and still do, to some extent) but IBM drags their feet, so to speak. I think I pretty much gave up all logical hope when they withdrew support and whatnot. The whole thing is a big mess, I don't think even they know what all is going on. As far as I can tell, they don't have any PR people for it, and almost all the original developers are long gone. It's a tangled web, and one that I don't think will be undone, sadly. Ah, well. Guess I'll have to live with my old beta CD. ^.^

*sigh*

That's the terrible thing about the computer business (or just business in general), that a lot of good OSs get passed up for lesser ones because of more marketability, cheaper prices, etc. etc. And you probably know which OS I'm talking about : |

But I think that applies almost exclusively to proprietary ones...this is probably another reason why I like Linux and other open-source OSs...

QuoteCan I be a member as well?

See: Nejin's reply ;)

But yeah, you could be the Head Open Sourceress!

QuoteI sure hate Windows Vista for being bloated, DRM-ridden, unfree, buggy, activation-requiring and cycles-wasting! And 98 for similar reasons (but even more because I have to use it sometimes)!

Me too : /

But aside from that, I have no complaints :P

QuoteI'll let you in on a secret, Tux-dono.

YOU ARE ALREADY A MEMBER .W.

LOL to the MAX! XD

QuoteLOL to the MAX! XD

And THAT's why I'm the Minister of Propaganda. -w-
...or should i say...Minister of One-liners? XD

QuoteCan I be a member as well? I sure hate Windows Vista for being bloated, DRM-ridden, unfree, buggy, activation-requiring and cycles-wasting! And 98 for similar reasons (but even more because I have to use it sometimes)!

Wow!  I haven't seen you in forever.  Â¯v¯
So many Linux-tans and BSD-tans have been drawn since you last visited, that you'd think this were another forum....  Â¯.¯

Sure you can be a member, but post nicely.  ^___^
M$ has been doing great at inadvertently bashing itself, so all we really need to do to tip the tide in our favor is extoll the virtues of non-Vista systems.  ^v^

For example,... a coworker of mine was thiiiiiiiiiiis close to purchasing a high-priced Dell Laptop (w/Vista of course) to give to his daughter who's WAY too young to even carry the thing.  But after I lent him my Asus EeePC so that he and his daughter could use it for the night,... well,...

Suffice to say, they were so imperssed, he not only ordered one, but TWO in fact (for someone else?) -- AND he still had plenty of money left over for many more gifts!!!  ^V^

QuoteAs for M$, didn't they already try that with the Origami?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ultra-Mobile_PC

http://www.channelinsider.com/article/Microsoft+Preps+Ultramobile+PC+for+Second+Chance/181124_1.aspx

BWAHAHA!!!  ^v^
For sure they've been around,... heck, you can even make the case that PocketPCs (with CE-chan) are true ultra-mobiles (although they're far from full-fledged OSes).  

But ever checked the price on any of those?  `v'

When I bought my Eee-chan, she was surrounded by big laptops, as well as miniature 10-inch laptops and 7-inch internet tablets close to her size.  But Eee-chan was probably the only one with a 3-figure price.  ^___^;

QuoteThat's the terrible thing about the computer business (or just business in general), that a lot of good OSs get passed up for lesser ones because of more marketability, cheaper prices, etc. etc. And you probably know which OS I'm talking about : |

But I think that applies almost exclusively to proprietary ones...this is probably another reason why I like Linux and other open-source OSs...

....Let me pull out of rank to interject this one flamboyant protest chant..... ^^

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FREE AMIGAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  ^0^

QuoteAnd THAT's why I'm the Minister of Propaganda. -w-
...or should i say...Minister of One-liners? XD

Good-o job-o!  ^.^

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In any event, have some more news from the OS/2 front!!

First,... and aptly-named article:

http://www.informationweek.com/blog/main/archives/2007/12/hey_ibm_set_os2.html

But more importantly,... there's also mention of this at the eComStation site as well:

http://www.ecomstation.com/

Among the many commercial beneficiaries of an open-sourced OS/2, these guys should rank high up there too.  ^^
Heck... just the fact that it took them 2 years to release candidate 3 of version 2.0 speaks volumes of proprietary inefficiency.  ^.^

QuoteWow! I haven't seen you in forever. ¯v¯
So many Linux-tans and BSD-tans have been drawn since you last visited, that you'd think this were another forum.... ¯.¯

Heehee...yeah, even the Goddess has shown up! And FreeBSD-chan too, we know cause people's lunches keep going missing! :P

QuoteSure you can be a member, but post nicely. ^___^
M$ has been doing great at inadvertently bashing itself, so all we really need to do to tip the tide in our favor is extoll the virtues of non-Vista systems. ^v^

For example,... a coworker of mine was thiiiiiiiiiiis close to purchasing a high-priced Dell Laptop (w/Vista of course) to give to his daughter who's WAY too young to even carry the thing. But after I lent him my Asus EeePC so that he and his daughter could use it for the night,... well,...

Suffice to say, they were so imperssed, he not only ordered one, but TWO in fact (for someone else?) -- AND he still had plenty of money left over for many more gifts!!! ^V^

Wow, that's pretty incredible...!

Quote....Let me pull out of rank to interject this one flamboyant protest chant..... ^^

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FREE AMIGAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ^0^

Oh yes, free Amiga, world peace, all that jazz...

I think we should be thankful for what we've got. Open source Multics.

If only more people had mainframes to spare :P

QuoteIn any event, have some more news from the OS/2 front!!

First,... and aptly-named article:

Hmmmm...I had a thought....I wonder if IBM wants to keep OS/2 down cause an open sourced version could take too much business away from Linux, which they support a helluva lot more....?

And as a funny little story, yesterday I saw a new Mac ad. Where they were saying the fastest machine Vista ran on was a Apple computer.

After watching that, I felt all dirty O_____O

QuoteOh yes, free Amiga, world peace, all that jazz...

I think we should be thankful for what we've got. Open source Multics.

If only more people had mainframes to spare :P

Heh! Well, then I guess you won't be disappointed by the piece of news I've got. THIS is good things for the old lady, if anything!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b1WWpKEPdT4&feature=related

Hold that though!  I'll be back.  ^^

*dumps random but semi-relevant news story*

http://arstechnica.com/journals/linux.ars/2007/12/13/running-xubuntu-on-the-eee-pc

Sorry, forgot what I wanted to "hold that thought".  ^^;

In any event, don't mind me as I post this as a matter of..... *clears throat* ...personal pride.  ^_________^

More Than 350,000 Asus Eee PC Laptops Sold Thus Far
http://www.mobilemag.com/content/100/333/C14140/

^ Such self-promoting!

Good for Asus! Even if I am a bit attached to my huge, 7-pound desktop replacing laptops :P
This could do wonders for bringing Linux to the "(niche) mainstream", perhaps sort of like Apple did for Unix with OS X.

Fufu... speaking of which.....

Here's another story that's been circling around lately regarding the OLPC....

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20071224/ap_on_re_la_am_ca/one_laptop_one_village

As you know, I'm less enthused about this project; however, it does at least point out the merit of efficient computing when there is no infrastructure in place.  Kind of how some developing countries which could not afford to lay hundred of miles of telephone and cable lines, simply jumped straight to wireless technology.  

A previous article I posted about Macedonia made mention of highly cost-efficient server+thin client setups to meet educational needs which not only seemed cheaper (en masse) and easier to get off the ground, but also put more power into local management.  Course, cost-efficiency and self-sufficiency are in some instances inadequate when addressing a lack of power infrastructure and socio-political instability.

(The OLPC at least addresses the former thing with that manual pull crank, but as they're still not very clear about its so-called anti-theft protection I can't say there's much of a grasp on the latter. )

Wow....
Not 100% Vista-related, but certainly sounds like a forced-upgrade scheme.....  ^^;

http://blog.wired.com/monkeybites/2008/01/microsoft-offic.html
http://www.consortiuminfo.org/standardsblog/article.php?story=20080103134307872

Also, I'm not even sure if I want to call this a competitor to the EeePC cause,... honestly,... it just don't look it.....  But oh well, let's keep piling them on.... ^^

http://www.mobilemag.com/content/100/333/C14188/

/me fixes this incompatibility! With OpenOffice!

(I think my parents will not upgrade their Stoneage MS Office anymore... they have too many old files... I think some of their .docs are still Word 5.0 or Word for Windows 2.0)

Oh man. I'm really temped to install Open Office ;)

Why don't you? Follow your temptations, lady! ^_^
(that way, you can dye your hair pink as well XD)

To quote from Nejin,... "MOAR" Pink!!!!!!!!  ^v^

In other news, I was recently thinking about all the UMPC devices that promise to also include versions compatible with Windows XP (even the lowly OLPC), and wondered why on earth they keep pushing XP-tan around like cattle when they've already vowed to discontinue sales of her this year.  It's almost like saying they'll supply copies of Windows 98 for use on the OLPC, which would actually work better with the lower specs, but runs completely counter to their policy.  They would neither sell it to you, and even if they did they wouldn't support it.

Which brings me to things like this which, despite the fact that it doesn't work, at least highlights the fact that there are a lot more "Bellas" out there:

http://weblog.infoworld.com/enterprisedesktop/archives/2008/01/xp_petition.html?source=rss

QuoteWhy don't you? Follow your temptations, lady!
(that way, you can dye your hair pink as well XD)

I'm unsure about the whole, pink hair thing, but as for OpenOffice...I dunno. Laziness mostly, I rarely use Word...

QuoteTo quote from Nejin,... "MOAR" Pink!!!!!!!! ^v^

In other news, I was recently thinking about all the UMPC devices that promise to also include versions compatible with Windows XP (even the lowly OLPC), and wondered why on earth they keep pushing XP-tan around like cattle when they've already vowed to discontinue sales of her this year. It's almost like saying they'll supply copies of Windows 98 for use on the OLPC, which would actually work better with the lower specs, but runs completely counter to their policy. They would neither sell it to you, and even if they did they wouldn't support it.

Which brings me to things like this which, despite the fact that it doesn't work, at least highlights the fact that there are a lot more "Bellas" out there:

http://weblog.infoworld.com/enterprisedesktop/archives/2008/01/xp_petition.html?source=rss

It's sickening what they're doing with XP (though the same could likely be said for 2k as well) : |

I mean, I've been running XP for 4 years, I've had one BSOD (back in the fall of 05'), but it did an automatic system restore to an early state and I haven't had one incident yet. It's caught two viruses (winter 05'), back when I was using IE 6. After taking more precautions, I haven't gotten one since. I'm considering buying an XP installation disk or whatever, in case I want to run/install XP when I inevitably get a new computer ;)

As for 98 on OLPC....ehmmmm....I'm sure the world is aware of my thoughts on non-NT Windows (IE, a trainwreck!)

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It's sickening what they're doing with XP (though the same could likely be said for 2k as well) : |

I mean, I've been running XP for 4 years, I've had one BSOD (back in the fall of 05'), but it did an automatic system restore to an early state and I haven't had one incident yet. It's caught two viruses (winter 05'), back when I was using IE 6. After taking more precautions, I haven't gotten one since. I'm considering buying an XP installation disk or whatever, in case I want to run/install XP when I inevitably get a new computer

As for 98 on OLPC....ehmmmm....I'm sure the world is aware of my thoughts on non-NT Windows (IE, a trainwreck!)

Oh, come on. At least give the poor chaps W2K for their trouble. Also, windows 98 was an even larger trainwreck than the other non-NT windows.

Sorry for the quick post, but just wanted to dump some news about cool Linux-based gadgets shown at CES:

http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS6231914514.html
http://www.slashgear.com/ces-2008-iriver-wing-umpc-079492.php
http://www.zapnat.com/2008/01/07/linux-based-video-glasses-create-54-virtual-screen/

As well as for shameless, mini laptop owner-equivalent of baby pictures..... ^__________^

http://asia.cnet.com/reviews/notebooks/0,39050495,62035943,00.htm

Dumping more articles pertaining to [possibly] my next laptop, or at the very least another mainstream cheap Linux UMPC....

http://www.electronista.com/articles/08/01/09/everex.cloudbook/
http://www.notebookreview.com/default.asp?newsID=4187

It bests the EeePC in storage and Operating System (the ability to install +17GB of software is a big deal!), although it won't be as rugged due to the use of a traditional hard drive.  Plus there are no details whether the version of gOS used has been customized for fast bootup times the way the AsusOS was (which averages 8-10 second bootups.).

Woohoo!  KDE 4.0 has been released today!  ^v^

http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20080111-kde-4-0-rough-but-ready-for-action.html
http://www.computerworld.com.au/index.php/id;934507983;fp;4;fpid;1968336438

Which isn't particularly newsworthy now, given there are still a lot of usability features that have to be addressed now that a wider audience will be testing it.

But among many other exciting features that will become apparent over the next couple of months, work is on the way to make compatible versions for Mac and Windows (I assume OSX and XP respectively).  Not only would that be a breakthrough in cross-platform diplomacy, it would also allow me to run KOffice and Krita natively whenever I have to use a WinBox.  ^^

In other news, the new GBook has been announced (although I don't like the price):

http://www.slashgear.com/ces-2008-everex-089524.php

And the compact desktop maker Shuttle is releasing $200 mini Linux boxes too:
http://www.engadget.com/2008/01/08/shuttle-launches-199-kpc-linux-box-99-barebones-kit/

Hmmm...so, KDE could be used as a desktop environment in OSX and Windows? That's cool, but it seems a bit too adventurous to me ;)

That GBook is SHARP! I thought they were only making an UMPC version, which I probably would be too interested in (as I've said before, my laptop is my desktop). But the GBook has about the same specs (even better, I'd say) as our HP notebook...

And those Shuttle PCs are so cute ^_^

KDE FOR WINDOWS!?!?! HONTO KA!?

Ah, life is beautiful. Goodbye, explorers of all kinds.

On the cute mini Linux machine front.....

More news on the Cloudbook, plus the uber-cute little gPC Mini:

http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2008/01/10/ces_everex_battles_eee_pc/
http://www.laptoplogic.com/news/detail.php?id=4219
http://www.everex.com/press/Everex%20gPC%20mini%20ET2102%20Detailed%20Specification-v1.0.pdf

And in semi-related news (relevant to Office 2007), an article debunking a lot of trash talk from a previous article denouncing ODF in favor of the "superior" OOXML format:

http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20080116214144572

Today I was reading PC World, what I thought was a blatantly Windows-centric magazine...despite that, they had glowing articles about OS X Leopard (!), excellent reviews of Macs (!!), they gave Ubuntu a lot of mention, it got a rating of 95 points and was their product of the month, calling it one of the greatest reasons for a Windows fan to try out Linux (!!!)  

And the EeePC got a mention too, among it's specs they listed "percent of name that's E: 60%".

And I LOL'd.

*shuffles outta here*

Gya!  I'm so proud of my baby girl!  ^___^

Funny story,... I accompanied a friend of mine to buy a MacBook today, and, low-and-behold, what did I end up doing for 30 minutes flat?

....Yep, talking about my EeePC to the Apple sales clerk AND curious onlookers.  If not for the fact that I eventually helped my friend pick out a MacBook, I'd swear I was gonna get booted off that store for "selling" a competing product (although I made it a point to call it a "complimentary" machine).  ^.^;
[Interestingly-enough, we were all collectively disappointed that the Macbook Air was not a UMPC as some of the rumors stated -- cause obviously from all the cooing and attention-grabbing, cute little laptops sell.  ^__^]

In any event, couldn't help but feel like Lt. Colonel Maes Hughes brandishing photos of Elysia.  ^v^'

As for the Macbook itself, it was very neat.  Had a futuristic magnetic AC power coupling-thingamajig and everything.  But by GAWD, I had forgotten how HUGE 13" laptops are.....  ^______^;

Added after 14 hours 29 minutes:

FYI,... Bella-san, HELP!!!  ^0^

(with the comments section.... ^^)

http://eng.cnews.ru/news/top/indexEn.shtml?2008/01/15/283177

QuoteFunny story,... I accompanied a friend of mine to buy a MacBook today, and, low-and-behold, what did I end up doing for 30 minutes flat?

....Yep, talking about my EeePC to the Apple sales clerk AND curious onlookers. If not for the fact that I eventually helped my friend pick out a MacBook, I'd swear I was gonna get booted off that store for "selling" a competing product (although I made it a point to call it a "complimentary" machine). ^.^;

LOL!

Better than when I showed off Puppy Linux to a Mac loving relative...all I got was a furrowed brow : /

Quote[Interestingly-enough, we were all collectively disappointed that the Macbook Air was not a UMPC as some of the rumors stated -- cause obviously from all the cooing and attention-grabbing, cute little laptops sell. ^__^

Oh, those cute little laptops...

But I gotta admit...

I likes my desktop replacing laptops :P

QuoteIn any event, couldn't help but feel like Lt. Colonel Maes Hughes brandishing photos of Elysia. ^v^'

OMG! An FMA reference!

QuoteFYI,... Bella-san, HELP!!! ^0^

(with the comments section.... ^^)

http://eng.cnews.ru/news/top/indexEn.shtml?2008/01/15/283177

I had always heard that Linux was pretty big in Russia (or was gaining popularity)...hopefully some of our western school systems will take notice of this :P

Excuse me, Bella-samaa.  Please cover thine ears....  ^__^

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*EXPLETIVE!* *EXPLETIVE!* *EXPLETIVE!* *EXPLETIVE!* *EXPLETIVE!* ;^0^;

http://www.vnunet.com/vnunet/news/2207805/ibm-going-open-source

^ That totally sucks! What a freakin' bummer!

Heard about that on Fark today.

The submitter agrees too... In the "Sad" category with the headline of "OS/2 isn't getting open-sourced, ever. Which is a shame, since it's still better than Vista"

EEEP!!! AURORA-SAMA, SINCE WHEN?!!!!!  @0@

*feels shame*

I'M SO SORRY!  I SOILED YOUR DELICATE EARS!!!!!!  ;^0^;

*utters expletive*

OOOPS, I DID IT AGAIN!!!!!!  ;^0^;

*bawls*

NOOOO!!!  I JUST QUOTED A LAME, OUTDATED QUOTE!!!!!  *EXPLETIVE!!!!!!*  ;^0^;

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GAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  ;^0^;

Hey, C-Chan, I'll fill in those expletives for you...

fsck!!!!

But this is what really broke my heart: "ibm-going-open-source" in the URL. For one millisecond I thought a miracle had occurred -___-

But I guess OS/2 has the unfortunate obstacle of possibly having M$ code. And IBM doesn't want M$ litigators and/or goons coming after them.

But wait...I dunno if it'll never get open sourced. Let us look at Multics; OS/2 and Multics share a few things in common, both were too advanced for their own good, shunned by their companies, have had important influence on competing OSs, and have had long painful declines while keeping a small but loyal userbase. And in one case the users have actually gotten their source code (though it's quite useless at of now).

*Lesse, Multics started to decline in the 70s, development was canceled in 1985, it effectively died in 2000, was opened in 2007....*

*OS/2 has been going downhill for years, but is not quite dead yet...*

*gets out calculator*

*haphazardly smashes hand against keypad Stephen Colbert-style*

Mmmmhmmm....by my humble calculations, we will see OS/2 open sourced by IBM in the year...2027! Save the date people!

QuoteBut this is what really broke my heart: "ibm-going-open-source" in the URL. For one millisecond I thought a miracle had occurred -___-

You're not the only one. I was wondering why senpai was defaming it so vehemently; I was anticipating a vastly different page. Drat! I had my hopes up for this petition! ;_;

It is the fate of things, now, to be abandoned and rejected by their creators, it seems. We'll just have to hope for things to get better sometime.
There there *patpats crying userbase* ^-^

QuoteYou're not the only one. I was wondering why senpai was defaming it so vehemently; I was anticipating a vastly different page. Drat! I had my hopes up for this petition! ;_;

Yeah, a more accurate name for that page would have been "ibm-doing-what-we-knew-they-would" : |

QuoteIt is the fate of things, now, to be abandoned and rejected by their creators, it seems. We'll just have to hope for things to get better sometime.
There there *patpats crying userbase* ^-^

You're not helping my XP Persecution Complex, Nejin :P

Here's something to help turn the tide of persecution for Bella-sama.  ^__^

http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2008/01/23/eee_pc_japan_launch/

Admittedly, though,... I'm not altogether down with this.  XP has an OEM life of about another 5 months.  Combine that with the too-good-to-be-true deal, and either it sounds like bait of some kind OR Asus is trying to sell off all their XP licenses somehow (you know,.... like an EVERYTHING MUST GO sale).  ^.^;

Okay, so maybe there IS a certain persecution thing after all,... but hey, might as well take advantage of the bargain, no (mainly for the SDHC card and mouse)?  ^___^

Better than this, more honest offer:

http://www.howardcomputers.com/systems/detail.cfm?Model=EEEPC&pmnuid=2

As if it were bad enough that OS/2 didn't get Open Sauced.....

Behold my latest heartbreaker....

http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?command=viewArticleBasic&taxonomyName=laptops&articleId=9059060&taxonomyId=66&intsrc=kc_top

*cries*  ;____;

*Reads article on OS/2*
Oh.....Ohhh.....What a let down..-_-


A moment of silence for OS/2 -tan.
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.
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Though, perhaps I can lighten the mood in the gloomy topic with this little vid. You do like small laptops don't you C-chan?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W7askBmF4_c

Compact, sleek, and sporting Leopard. ^_^

And not viewable from my current location (due to firewall).  T____T

*C-chans mood goes from dark to postal*

GAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  ^0^

*initiates Piggy Madness Syndrome and runs off on murderous rampage*

Source of pride, here.... ^_____^

http://www.computerworld.com.au/index.php/id;1163450117;fp;16;fpid;1

I love these kinds of stories.  ^.^

A war of the OStan They be no winner in this war

Dos, The M*A*S*H os

GYAAAAAAAAAH!!!!  YOU CAME!!!!!  ^V^

*hugs and squeezes DOS-tan*

Damn, your cute as a button.  ^^

Don't know what this "mash" stuff is, but makes me hungry....
Let's mash up some cookies for this young DOS girl!  ^0^

*skips off to kitchen*

Oh, and here's a new challenge.  Find anything exciting in the news,... about DOS (of any kind).  ^.^

Added after 12 minutes:

*returns with cookies*

Wow,... never realized how hard it was to find DOS stories in the news,....... that wasn't related to DoS attacks.  ^^;

But I did find this heart-wrenching piece:

http://news.zdnet.co.uk/leader/0,1000002982,39292416,00.htm

Oh,... OS/2-sama..... ;^-^;

MASH is a TV show from the 70 to the 80 about being in a MASH unit from Korean war and MASH is short for Mobile Army Surgical Hospital. I hope i have some band aid s around here so any OS that get hurt;269  ;slurp;

Oh no, we haven't had any OS fighting in a LOOOONG time.  ^__^

Now we just talk about cute, cheap, little laptops:




*pander pander*

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ASUS_Eee_PC
http://www.everex.com/

Incidentally, you and your FreeDOS sister work great on these.  ^.^

Ok i see so i don't need the band aids yet
-dos

Not yet,... but you look so cute carrying them around, I'd rather you just do so anyway.  ^___^

*starts rummaging around for Nurse outfit*

I suppose if we're anything like the S.O.S. Brigade, you'd be our Mikuru.  ^v^

*keeps rummaging*

Regarding the Macbook Air:
Well, it's thin but not small. A major turn-off for me is the fact that it doesn't come with a CD drive. -_- I did notice how apple's spokesman did put in a word about Itunes though... Shameless advertising? (Yes, without a Optical drive they'll be forced to use our pay services!) Though I've seen M$ do alot worse. I'd still perfer an EeePC.

Hey Dos! Welcome to the MEWXPZLFUDAWV club ^_^

Quote from: "C-chan"Source of pride, here.... ^_____^

http://www.computerworld.com.au/index.php/id;1163450117;fp;16;fpid;1

I love these kinds of stories. ^.^

^_^
Yeah, you never see anyone giving vista to kids in other countries.

Now, I'm off! I shall return when I have more news...and small laptops..

Bring more small laptops!!!  ^v^

*starts rummaging for bunny seat for DOS-san*

I don't mind it not having the optical drive -- I mean with the right technology, you could potentially obsolete optical disks.  But by GAWD it's just a thin laptop,... and for all intents purposes, not really much better than the cheaper Macbooks.  

Granted we now have much thinner processors thanks to this,... but... not much else in the innovative department....

And no user replaceable battery it seems either.....

.....

Oh.... well.....

Cloudbook for me now.  ^___^

laptops are okay but they over heat very fast and you really can up gate than. Okay i keep the band aids around. Some cookies sound good right now

"Go off to make cookies
Start to sing"cooking is so fun cooking so fun let  break see what we have done YAY IT'S READY!"
-Dos

QuoteSource of pride, here.... ^_____^

http://www.computerworld.com.au/index.php/id;1163450117;fp;16;fpid;1

I love these kinds of stories. ^.^

Wow!

QuoteA war of the OStan They be no winner in this war

Dos, The M*A*S*H os

Dos speaks the truth!

QuoteDon't know what this "mash" stuff is, but makes me hungry....
Let's mash up some cookies for this young DOS girl! ^0^

You've never heard of M*A*S*H? For shame :P

QuoteBut I did find this heart-wrenching piece:

http://news.zdnet.co.uk/leader/0,1000002982,39292416,00.htm

Oh,... OS/2-sama..... ;^-^;

Look on the bright side! OS/2 will be open sourced in only...oh, 22 years!
But in sappy news...why am I seriously wanting to draw OS/2-sama...@__@

QuoteRegarding the Macbook Air:
Well, it's thin but not small. A major turn-off for me is the fact that it doesn't come with a CD drive. -_- I did notice how apple's spokesman did put in a word about Itunes though... Shameless advertising? (Yes, without a Optical drive they'll be forced to use our pay services!) Though I've seen M$ do alot worse. I'd still perfer an EeePC.

QuoteI don't mind it not having the optical drive -- I mean with the right technology, you could potentially obsolete optical disks. But by GAWD it's just a thin laptop,... and for all intents purposes, not really much better than the cheaper Macbooks.

Granted we now have much thinner processors thanks to this,... but... not much else in the innovative department....

And no user replaceable battery it seems either.....

Yeah, I ain't impressed very much : |

No replaceable battery? WTF? What happens when you wear the battery down?!

QuoteStart to sing"cooking is so fun cooking so fun let break see what we have done YAY IT'S READY!"

Aha!  You know what this calls for now, no?  ^^

*starts rummaging around for flying Chiyo pigtails*

QuoteYou've never heard of M*A*S*H? For shame :P

It's one of those things I've heard the name of, but never really had the chance to watch it for myself.  Other notable iconic mysteries to me are:  Lost, Dr. Who, All My Children, Dragonball Z (or x,y,whatever?), etc, etc, etc....

Maybe if I could break myself out into multiple C-chans.  -v-

QuoteLook on the bright side! OS/2 will be open sourced in only...oh, 22 years!

Just shoot me now and get it over with.  T___T'

QuoteBut in sappy news...why am I seriously wanting to draw OS/2-sama...@__@

Oh no you don't!  ^0^

*brings her focus back to Plan9-tan & Co. pic*

QuoteNo replaceable battery? WTF? What happens when you wear the battery down?!

For me that's a design flaw that has kept me away from iPods.  But I reckon it's worse on a full-fledged laptop.  Especially for someone like you who's on the go a lot taking pictures, and don't necessarily have access to an AC jack (or even a car at the time), that'd be very annoying to have the thing fail on you and not have any spares handy.

Also, it's the thinnest notebook now in the market, but not historically:

http://www.news.com/8301-10784_3-9850943-7.html

Granted Apple knows its marketing, I still say they could've done better.  TT

Quote*starts rummaging around for flying Chiyo pigtails*

Noooo! You don't know what there capable of!!! They steal minds!!!!

Really?  `v'

<___<

....

>___>

.......

*sticks them on NekOsaka*

Ahh!!!  It's no good!  You're gonna have to go fly somewhere!   ;^0^;

"You underestimate me C-Chan!"
-paweeeeeeeeee-
*NekOSaka MIND CRUSH!*
*pigtails fall to ground and burst into flames*
"You forgot one key aspect C-Chan! Those things were reading MY mind! So I just let my mind work the way it does and overloaded those foul creatures instantly. They never stood a chance."
-tweeen-

NOOOOO!!!!  Those cost me 50000 yen!!  ^0^
Now I have to go snipe another pair at eBay.... ;___;

Plus now I'll have to get DOS-chan to cosplay something else... lesse....

*starts rummaging for some OSX Tiger apparel*

Hey what this on the ground
"pick up Chiyo pigtails*"
I know i put it on
"wiggle around on dos head for min"
I think this look cool on me, but i need get home soon Chiyo-Dad  going to be making dinner soon. I think we having some that red color
"Start to Fly home"
-Dos

Yes... But is it too red?

There's never such a thing as too red.  ^.^

In any event,....

*tosses latest news feed out*

THIS JUST IN!!!!  ^V^

http://www.zdnet.com.au/news/software/soa/Torvalds-Linux-is-ready-to-go-green/0,130061733,339285555,00.htm

Another matter of personal pride to me, but one I don't really have to worry as much about.  Because just the fact that it makes older hardware last longer already does much to cut down on excessive eWaste, which results in a much greater environmental impact than carbon emissions from electricity consumption.

QuoteIt's one of those things I've heard the name of, but never really had the chance to watch it for myself. Other notable iconic mysteries to me are: Lost, Dr. Who, All My Children, Dragonball Z (or x,y,whatever?), etc, etc, etc....

Maybe if I could break myself out into multiple C-chans. -v-

Speaking of which...the season premier of Lost is tonight!

*throws confetti*

Just warning you, in case I make any shipwrecked-crazy-survivalist-French-woman-who-had-her-baby-stolen-by-Others-and-raised as-their-own-with-no-knowledge-of-her-mother/VMS-sama, NT-san and M$ references (and trust me, I will make aforementioned references!)

QuoteJust shoot me now and get it over with. T___T'

Cheer up, only 19 years to go!

QuoteOh no you don't! ^0^

*brings her focus back to Plan9-tan & Co. pic*

Yes, but I must plan for the future! :P

QuoteFor me that's a design flaw that has kept me away from iPods. But I reckon it's worse on a full-fledged laptop. Especially for someone like you who's on the go a lot taking pictures, and don't necessarily have access to an AC jack (or even a car at the time), that'd be very annoying to have the thing fail on you and not have any spares handy.

Not only that, but I need a Flash memory card drive ;)

QuoteAlso, it's the thinnest notebook now in the market, but not historically:

http://www.news.com/8301-10784_3-9850943-7.html

Granted Apple knows its marketing, I still say they could've done better. TT

WTF?!?!? The thinnest notebook was released in 1998?!? Was it...like...literally a pad of paper in which one takes notes?

^Just kidding, BTW :P

QuoteYes, but I must plan for the future! :P

Nope! I ain't falling for that again!  ^___^

*chains Bella up to Plan 9 & Co pic*

QuoteNot only that, but I need a Flash memory card drive

Oh snap!  I didn't even realize it didn't have an SD card reader!  @__@'
And only 1 USB port?!!!  @@;

Just as a comparison, my lovely EeePC has THREE USB ports and one card reader,... and still manages to be one pound lighter.   (the Cloudbook only has two USB ports, but includes a DVI port and is a few grams lighter)  ^.^

Oh Apple, Apple, Apple.... WHAT have you done?  ;___;

QuoteWTF?!?!? The thinnest notebook was released in 1998?!? Was it...like...literally a pad of paper in which one takes notes?

^Just kidding, BTW :P

UBER LOL.  ^V^

QuoteOh snap! I didn't even realize it didn't have an SD card reader! @__@'
And only 1 USB port?!!! @@;

Just as a comparison, my lovely EeePC has THREE USB ports and one card reader,... and still manages to be one pound lighter. (the Cloudbook only has two USB ports, but includes a DVI port and is a few grams lighter) ^.^

Oh Apple, Apple, Apple.... WHAT have you done? ;___;

One card reader? One card reader? My K8 has...like...three slots, which can read six or seven different kinds of cards. And a firewire port, and four USB ports...

Still, that's not bad for a UMPC ;)

Hell yeah.  At that size, it shouldn't have too fit anything, but there it goes supporting SD/SDHC cards.  ^^

I hate to say it, but I think multiple built-in card slots is too excessive (I have them in my Acer desktop).  Granted some of them have their advantages, most memory cards are, by and large, the same thing.  And some of the more infernal ones (like Sony's Memory Sticks) deserve to go the way of other infernal media (e.g., those infernal SuperDisks *shakes fist vengefully*).  

That being said, I'll side with SD as a standard.  If only because the micro-SD cards are so damn cute.  -v-

On the other hand, I don't at all mind external readers....

...just external DVD drives, which are often quite big and bulky.  ^^;

Added after 4 minutes:

Oh, and here's more shameful self-indulgence on my part....  ^.^

http://itmanagement.earthweb.com/cnews/article.php/3724731

GYAH!!!!  I'm so happy for my baby girl!!  ^___^

*hugs and squeezes EeePC*

Contrary to popular belief, I do have planned drawing a ChiiVistan at some point.  Only she wouldn't be alone, but rather would literally have a whole entourage of sleek, lightweight, little UMPC-tans at her feet.  ^^

QuoteContrary to popular belief, I do have planned drawing a ChiiVistan at some point. Only she wouldn't be alone, but rather would literally have a whole entourage of sleek, lightweight, little UMPC-tans at her feet. ^^

C-Chan...drawing...a Vistan...wa-wasn't t-this a prophecy hinted at in Revelation...?

*straps on sandwich board, grabs bell*

The end is nigh! The end is nigh!

*pops in real quick*

'Tis not as bad as it seems.  Just another one of those "me-and-my-tall-women" things again.  You'll see,... I hope.  ^^;

BTW, I'll be back later to cash out rainchecks.  ^___^'

*pops out*

Added after 7 hours 20 minutes:

*returns to bang head on wall several times*

http://www.internetnews.com/dev-news/article.php/3725526

^ Oh shi-

Wait, I think I may have...messed up a calculation...

*continues to bang hand on calculator*

Ah, I see, I forgot to carry the 3! Did I say open source OS/2 in 19 years? Ahhhh, I meant, on a cold, wet day in hell!

I mean, WTF? They don't even know where the source code in question is?! How can they not know where it is. Correct me if I am wrong, but I thought the code was contained, like, inside the OS itself.

*looks for C-Chan's piece of suicide parsley...*

QuoteI mean, WTF? They don't even know where the source code in question is?! How can they not know where it is. Correct me if I am wrong, but I thought the code was contained, like, inside the OS itself.

Well, just as programs must be compiled before use, so must operating systems. It would be a programming nightmare to try and write OS/2 directly in system or low-level object code.
So yes, the OS contains all the source, just not in the original High-level code that people can use.
That was my biggest fear... T_T

So all we can hope for now is for a group of superhackers to extract the code from the OS and totally ignore the legal processes, plus someone to screw around with the laws to make it legally opensourced as well.
GOOD GOING, IBM. -.-

If only! You'd have to have a bunch of teams of superhackers decompile all the different builds, since I doubt all the options were ever compiled into a single OS. Good luck finding the builds, though.

Huh? SD Slots?

Fu.....Fufufu...Fufufufu Aaahahahah...

Try my old giant the latitude C610 it has NO sd slots and only one USB port, it also has a PS/2 mouse/keyboard port, the port where it plugs into the charger (which has a strange short that I was going to get looked at, long story short it's loose and sometimes you have to wiggle the plug to get it to work) A serial port, a printer (bigger) serial port, and this strange plug that I'm not sure what it is.

Also, Pearl has this cute little port on her, while the RCA pearl is about 3-4 inches long, there's this TINY card slot called "Micro SD" just sooo cute.

The PSP NEEDS a memory stick, and you're pretty much marooned without one. You can't get Video, Pictures, and Music on it, you can't even save games without it...(luckily I bought one several months ago, and have been loving it since) But those little things 'ain't cheap...Try $50.00 for a small one..

On a positive note, I hear Elecbyte is still working on MUGEN. Perhaps a version with Online play lays in the near future?

QuoteWell, just as programs must be compiled before use, so must operating systems. It would be a programming nightmare to try and write OS/2 directly in system or low-level object code.
So yes, the OS contains all the source, just not in the original High-level code that people can use.
That was my biggest fear... T_T

Oh, I see. That sounds like one screwed up management department....how can they just have "lost it?"

I used to think IBM was just dragging their feet or had M$ badgering them not to, but now it seems they really couldn't open source OS/2 even if they wanted. But still....I can't help but think even if they could, they wouldn't (it could pose to big a threat to their other systems)...

QuoteSo all we can hope for now is for a group of superhackers to extract the code from the OS and totally ignore the legal processes, plus someone to screw around with the laws to make it legally opensourced as well.
GOOD GOING, IBM. -.-

Lawl...

You know, this situation makes me think of a wise saying I made up not ten seconds ago: if you don't want trouble, don't let M$ help build your OS -__-

QuoteTry my old giant the latitude C610 it has NO sd slots and only one USB port, it also has a PS/2 mouse/keyboard port, the port where it plugs into the charger (which has a strange short that I was going to get looked at, long story short it's loose and sometimes you have to wiggle the plug to get it to work) A serial port, a printer (bigger) serial port, and this strange plug that I'm not sure what it is.

Wow, no card slots? My computer's, like nearly 4 years old and has a whole bunch...

nice!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

wow that very weird
-Dos

QuoteAh, I see, I forgot to carry the 3! Did I say open source OS/2 in 19 years? Ahhhh, I meant, on a cold, wet day in hell!

...................... @____@

INFERNO-CHAN!!!!!!!  I NEED YOUR HELP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  >0<

Quote*looks for C-Chan's piece of suicide parsley...*

No way, I'm gonna need that.  ^0^
Here... take my cheap substitute....

*hands Bella piece of suicide lettuce*

QuoteIf only! You'd have to have a bunch of teams of superhackers decompile all the different builds, since I doubt all the options were ever compiled into a single OS. Good luck finding the builds, though.

QuoteOh, I see. That sounds like one screwed up management department....how can they just have "lost it?"

I used to think IBM was just dragging their feet or had M$ badgering them not to, but now it seems they really couldn't open source OS/2 even if they wanted. But still....I can't help but think even if they could, they wouldn't (it could pose to big a threat to their other systems)...

BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH!!!!!!!!  ;^0^;
Those incompetent BASTARDS!!!!  No wonder they keep pushing Linux,... it's actually a PROPERLY DOCUMENTED system!!!!!!  Big Blue ends up being moronic to the bitter end!  T___T

*sigh*

Guess the only hope for OS/2-sama's future lies here then....

http://www.ecomstation.com/
http://www.osfree.org/doku/

*looks at status of both*

............Dear gawds.....  TT'

QuoteAlso, Pearl has this cute little port on her, while the RCA pearl is about 3-4 inches long, there's this TINY card slot called "Micro SD" just sooo cute.

Ah, I use those on my MP3 player all the time!  Too cute!  ^.^
Like a floppy disk that you could accidentally inhale.  ^v^

QuoteYou know, this situation makes me think of a wise saying I made up not ten seconds ago: if you don't want trouble, don't let M$ help build your OS -__-

........................... TT
Okay,... take the parsley.  I'll upgrade to the lavender.  T___T

QuoteWow, no card slots? My computer's, like nearly 4 years old and has a whole bunch...

In fairness to Techno-san, though, his Latitude is over 7 hears old at least (that is if I got the model right).  ^^'

Quotenice!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Surely you mean this, no?  ^v^

Quotewow that very weird

I know... those IBM bastards do very weird things.  I'm almost glad they didn't directly make your sister PC-DOS; otherwise, who knows how screwed up she'd be (more than she is now)!  ^.^

Has anyone been following this buyout thing between M$ and Yahoo?

http://www.cnn.com/2008/TECH/02/05/microsoft.yahoo.ap/index.html?iref=newssearch

I'm glad they rejected the bid, I heard Google was just about begging them not to accept. Now it's getting quite hostile, though....

I really hope they don't buy Yahoo...cause, beside the huge, possibly harmful monopoly n' such...I'd have to change my email account (I'm coming, Gmail!), and that's never fun XD

I have, but figured it's not worth posting.  ^___^
I kinda expected the deal wouldn't fall through, which is good cause I can keep my Yahoo mail around for a while.  It's been with me for well almost 10 years.  ^__~

Not out of the woods yet on that, so keep your eyes peeled.  The deal reeks of desperation, and desperate people [particularly desperate RICH people] tend to do very stupid things.  -.-

QuoteI have, but figured it's not worth posting. ^___^
I kinda expected the deal wouldn't fall through, which is good cause I can keep my Yahoo mail around for a while. It's been with me for well almost 10 years. ^__~

Yeah, I've had my account since...well, since I first got an email account...

QuoteNot out of the woods yet on that, so keep your eyes peeled. The deal reeks of desperation, and desperate people [particularly desperate RICH people] tend to do very stupid things. -.-

I hear the deal was mostly Steve Ballmer's idea. That Ballmer dude really scares me O___O

I'd say he's like the Eisner of the computer world,... just not as warm and fuzzy.  ^^'

In other news, a weird curiosity:

http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2704,2259191,00.asp

I DON'T like the idea of online storage, but I reckon if either the laptop or the $99 desktop model can be hacked to be standalone units.... '__'

QuoteI'd say he's like the Eisner of the computer world,... just not as warm and fuzzy. ^^'

XD

QuoteIn other news, a weird curiosity:

http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2704,2259191,00.asp

I DON'T like the idea of online storage, but I reckon if either the laptop or the $99 desktop model can be hacked to be standalone units.... '__'

That is strange...I've always been wary of online backup services and stuff, too...

Out of curiosity....I dunno if this is a good place to ask, but has anyone here ever given Syllable OS a try?

QuoteOut of curiosity....I dunno if this is a good place to ask, but has anyone here ever given Syllable OS a try?

Not really, although now that I look at the page (and the one from AtheOS) it does look vaguely interesting.  Other than that, only Kami-Tux ever really paid attention to it before.  ^____^'

In other news, I am sad because I'm not part of the early shipments of this.... ;____;

http://www.zareason.com/shop/skin1/pages/US/cloudbook.html

That, and they switched to Gnome..... ;______;

*sniffles*

And and and......

Reviews are mixed........... ;__________;

http://blog.laptopmag.com/everex-cloudbook-mini-review-verdict-needs-more-time-in-the-oven

*weeps*

I need either a hug, or a good slapping......................  ;~;

*curls into ball*

Added after 27 minutes:

Oh, and just to end the day on a [sarcasm]HAPPY NOTE[/sarcasm]!!!!!  ^V^

.......

SCO is back.  ^^;

http://www.zdnetasia.com/news/software/0,39044164,62037847,00.htm

Oh, and...... yeah....... like........... I wouldn't really follow the money trail if I were you.  ^^;

Aside from a bunch of nightmarish people............... there's some M$ and Gates mixed in there too.  -v-;

Quite the talk of the town over at Groklaw....

http://www.groklaw.net/

And Syllable is, supposedly....Amiga-like-ish!!! Whatever that means :P

As for the cloudbooks, I don't know if it's good or bad that they switched to GNOME...I like GNOME, but Enlightenment has a bit more...eye candy...and uses less memory, right?

And oh noes! Not fiaSCO again!

QuoteAnd Syllable is, supposedly....Amiga-like-ish!!! Whatever that means :P

It means perfection.  ^.^

QuoteAs for the cloudbooks, I don't know if it's good or bad that they switched to GNOME...I like GNOME, but Enlightenment has a bit more...eye candy...and uses less memory, right?

Right.... ;________;

*cries and weeps*

In fairness, the Cloudbook has a full 30GB hard drive, so I could probably install anything else I want on it.  But considering I already have an EeePC, and EeePCLinuxOS already makes it highly usable, configurable and frees up a full 3GB of storage for me.... then there's really less of a point for me to look into the Cloudbook.

Might give me more incentive to wait for the Devbook instead.  ;___;

QuoteAnd oh noes! Not fiaSCO again!

Now with 50% MORE criminal elements behind.  ^________^

What fun!  ^o^

-----------------

In genkier news, here's something that merits a nice big "WTF"!!!  @v@

http://technology.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/tech_and_web/personal_tech/article3374812.ece

A £99 laptop?!!!!  In Britain?!!!!  Has hell frozen over?!!!!!!  @@'

*C-chan cries, wails and bitches*

DAMN IT!!!!!!!!!!  >0<

http://jamfish728.blogspot.com/2008/02/highlightsfirst-24-hours-with-cloudbook.html

Should've known Everex would've found ways to screw things up.... T__T

Well no matter,....

Equipped with EeePCLOS -- which I'm actually helping to make awesome by the second... *giddy laughter*... my EeePC's practically a full-fledged laptop with a 7 inch screen!  ^.^

^ Well, it still sounds good for something so tiny. But I'm still sure if I were going to buy a new laptop, I'd go for the gBook...I just don't think I could adjust to such a little computer as the CloudBook. Then again I use my laptops mostly as desktop replacements....

As for EeePCLOS...I've wondered...would there be any plans to approach  
Asus to offer it on their computers...? Or is that still too far off?

My cousin is going down to France for the holiday (yes, we have a completely unrelated, state-made 1 week break in the middle of february for no reason ^_^ ) and he's going to see if he can get his hands on an EeePC. Any tips, oh almighty pig?

No wai! We here in New England are on a week-long winter vacation too.

Quote from: "Bella"No, what I dislike is the notion that "just because it's the newest OS, it's the best" or "just because it comes with 95% of new PCs it must be better than (insert lesser known/older OS)"

That's why I (and the smart sys-admins with me) always wait a couple of years before using a product so the bugs can be solved or the whole thing can be proven useless (the only good newest thing is the newest virus-definition download for your antiVir program)

BTW I cant help but think that Vista is XP with loads of eyecandy and that MS released it because they hadn't released a new OS for a long time (thus proving that XP is quite fine)....

Kinda like the screen from page one though (sorry for not remembering who posted it, But respect for playing SC4 and RoN) but that could be added to XP as well with a simple add-on/service-pack....

Sorry btw for not reading the whole topic but I was dying to say this :D

Quote^ Well, it still sounds good for something so tiny. But I'm still sure if I were going to buy a new laptop, I'd go for the gBook...I just don't think I could adjust to such a little computer as the CloudBook. Then again I use my laptops mostly as desktop replacements....

*sigh* I've lost my confidence with gOS, but hopefully Everex will use the following weeks to fix up their veritable rush job.  Sadly, ZaReason has dropped the Cloudbook and the gPC, so unless I can get them somewhere else besides Walmart, I'll be an EeePC promoter only for a while.  Not a bad thing, considering how involved I've been in making the hardware really fly.  -v-

QuoteAs for EeePCLOS...I've wondered...would there be any plans to approach
Asus to offer it on their computers...? Or is that still too far off?

BWAHAHAHA!!!  ^V^

Let's just say that "birds of a feather flock together".  ^_____^'

Ever noticed how corporate computer manufacturers stick to corporate Linux distros?  Be it Novell SUSE, Ubuntu, Mandriva or in this case Xandros?  I guess you can say they all understand one another.  ^.^

Besides, I doubt that'd be much in line with the philosophy of PCLinuxOS, and I for one don't mind that.  Community distros are always better featured than corporate ones, and ironically more adherent to licensing.  

There is, however, a small business remaster of PCLinuxOS called (unoriginally) PCLinuxOS Business, and PCLOS has made some inroads in education, where free and community-based is a little more tolerated.  I read not long ago about schools in the Philippines and Vietnam that have adopted PCLOS in their classroom machines, and are actively helping with regional translations (Tagalog and Vietnamese respectively).

Might be a bit melodramatic, but education seems like a more worthwhile endeavor.  ^^

QuoteMy cousin is going down to France for the holiday (yes, we have a completely unrelated, state-made 1 week break in the middle of february for no reason  ) and he's going to see if he can get his hands on an EeePC. Any tips, oh almighty pig?

In France, they offer the "3G" offer described here:

http://www.pimpmyumpc.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=38&Itemid=9

Very likely not worth it since your friend is only there for a week or so.  But at the very least we know that they do sell the 4G model, which is the standard one that includes the 4GB SSD drive, 3.5 hour battery, and webcam.  

It's unlikely they'll have the 2G model, but even so it's not worth getting one with those Euro prices.  Besides, that'd only be cool if you're friend's a hacker who can get the most out of the 2GB storage space.  

8G models are very rare due to manufacturing problems, but are the only EeePC models that can hold a "normal" install of most modern Linux distros as well as Windows XP.  You can fit Windows XP into a 4G (or at least an SD card on it) using NLite to make it faster and more usable on the limited hardware -- but bear in mind that that would be a breach of the Windows XP EULA.  ^^;

Not sure what else you need to know, so I'll try to stop by when I can to answer more questions you may have.

QuoteNo wai! We here in New England are on a week-long winter vacation too.

You guys are lucky.  I want a vacation also!  ^o^

QuoteThat's why I (and the smart sys-admins with me) always wait a couple of years before using a product so the bugs can be solved or the whole thing can be proven useless (the only good newest thing is the newest virus-definition download for your antiVir program)

BTW I cant help but think that Vista is XP with loads of eyecandy and that MS released it because they hadn't released a new OS for a long time (thus proving that XP is quite fine)....

Plus as Nejin-san showed me,... with the right kind of plugins and themes, you can make XP look and function like Vista.  

Although the fact that Vista is rather beta-like probably doesn't phase me as much as the forced-upgrade apect of their marketing campaign.

QuoteKinda like the screen from page one though (sorry for not remembering who posted it, But respect for playing SC4 and RoN) but that could be added to XP as well with a simple add-on/service-pack....

Which screen might you be referring to?  'v'

The one Darknight posted...

http://ostan-collections.net/topic-708.html

Aaaa sou. -v-

Yeah, you can use a plugin to use that in XP like you said.  
I actually have something very similar in Compiz Fusion, but I rarely use it.  Unless I'm viewing multiple documents (which I usually don't), I want my Alt+Tabbing to be instantaneous (although the Ring Switcher isn't as bad).  

Incidentally, a little bird dropped me this link over the weekend.  Funny as hell,....  -.-

http://blip.tv/file/340692/

Quote*sigh* I've lost my confidence with gOS, but hopefully Everex will use the following weeks to fix up their veritable rush job. Sadly, ZaReason has dropped the Cloudbook and the gPC, so unless I can get them somewhere else besides Walmart, I'll be an EeePC promoter only for a while. Not a bad thing, considering how involved I've been in making the hardware really fly. -v-

gOS freaked me out ever since I saw that HUGE Google search bar in the middle of the screen O__o

If I were to get a gBook, it'd probably end up with another OS installed...

QuoteEver noticed how corporate computer manufacturers stick to corporate Linux distros? Be it Novell SUSE, Ubuntu, Mandriva or in this case Xandros? I guess you can say they all understand one another. ^.^

That's what I was kinda thinking....

But I always thought Canonical at least didn't consort with M$ like Novell, Xandros Incorporated and Mandriva do...at least I really hope not O___O

QuoteBesides, I doubt that'd be much in line with the philosophy of PCLinuxOS, and I for one don't mind that. Community distros are always better featured than corporate ones, and ironically more adherent to licensing.

There is, however, a small business remaster of PCLinuxOS called (unoriginally) PCLinuxOS Business, and PCLOS has made some inroads in education, where free and community-based is a little more tolerated. I read not long ago about schools in the Philippines and Vietnam that have adopted PCLOS in their classroom machines, and are actively helping with regional translations (Tagalog and Vietnamese respectively).

Might be a bit melodramatic, but education seems like a more worthwhile endeavor. ^^

I guess I've liked Ubuntu (a more commercial distro) mostly because it has a very beginner-friendly reputation and has worked perfectly well for me...

That said, I might come around to the more off-the-beaten-path distros, (what am I saying, I started out with those...Puppy, Zenwalk [which I really like], SAM...), but I do think that they were more...I won't say difficult...but less moron-proof. And I kinda like knowing I'm using an OS that millions of other people also use.

But that's certainly not to say I don't have my adventurous side...

QuoteYou guys are lucky. I want a vacation also! ^o^

No, you work, while we New Englanders and Scandinavians go out and romp in the snow!

QuoteAlthough the fact that Vista is rather beta-like probably doesn't phase me as much as the forced-upgrade apect of their marketing campaign.

I agree x10!!!

QuoteIncidentally, a little bird dropped me this link over the weekend. Funny as hell,.... -.-

http://blip.tv/file/340692/

LOL! Nice find XD

Speaking of which, a friend recently got a Vista computer as a gift. The gift-giver tossed around getting an XP machine, a gPC or even a Mac, mind you, and even wanted to avoid using Vista, but the Vista computer was the only one that would suit the recipient's needs.

Anyhow, the thing's been giving him grief from the start; he can't even get it to go online. So he calls me for help, but I'm lost too. I just had to come out and say, "I don't know, I never had to do this with XP"...

Oi...

QuoteI guess I've liked Ubuntu (a more commercial distro) mostly because it has a very beginner-friendly reputation and has worked perfectly well for me...

That said, I might come around to the more off-the-beaten-path distros, (what am I saying, I started out with those...Puppy, Zenwalk [which I really like], SAM...), but I do think that they were more...I won't say difficult...but less moron-proof. And I kinda like knowing I'm using an OS that millions of other people also use.

Hm.
I've always thought the other way - since I've always used XP as my primary OS and haven't gotten any real thoughts about switching, I've always found the more off-path Linuces and stuff more attractive. Ah well, I guess that's because of me+XP=<3...

Quote

Quote
Although the fact that Vista is rather beta-like probably doesn't phase me as much as the forced-upgrade apect of their marketing campaign.

I agree x10!

On a related topic, I agree...DX10. -w-

QuoteNo, you work, while we New Englanders and Scandinavians go out and romp in the snow!

Snow? What snow!? Even here on the 60:th latitude there's not a SINGLE DAMN PIECE OF FROST, DAMNIT! FUKKING GLOBAL WARMING CRAPSHIT! KILL YOURSELVES!!!

*pant pant*
GUH. Hell, I even went skiing and besides the prepared snow on the slopes, it was +6 DEGREES CELSIUS AND NO SNOW WHATSOEVER. Also bad rides. Hell, I hate this crap...

Quote from: "C-Chan"Incidentally, a little bird dropped me this link over the weekend.  Funny as hell,....  -.-

http://blip.tv/file/340692/

There's only ten characters that can describe that:  OMG ROFLMAO!

QuoteThat's what I was kinda thinking....

But I always thought Canonical at least didn't consort with M$ like Novell, Xandros Incorporated and Mandriva do...at least I really hope not O___O

Oooh,... don't lump Mandriva in with those bastardly types.  @___@
See their response to M$ patent-protection fraud:

http://news.zdnet.co.uk/software/0,1000000121,39287672,00.htm

Might help that they're based in France (and Canonical in South Africa), except for RedHat, all the other companies that caved in were,... sadly,......... let's just say they're "neighbors" to M$, and thus far more susceptible to be cowed by silly software patents, or at least the cost of litigation thereof.  ^__________^;

QuoteI guess I've liked Ubuntu (a more commercial distro) mostly because it has a very beginner-friendly reputation and has worked perfectly well for me...

That said, I might come around to the more off-the-beaten-path distros, (what am I saying, I started out with those...Puppy, Zenwalk [which I really like], SAM...), but I do think that they were more...I won't say difficult...but less moron-proof. And I kinda like knowing I'm using an OS that millions of other people also use.

But that's certainly not to say I don't have my adventurous side...

Ubuntu is as great as it is because it was started by a true philanthropist Mark Shuttleworth, who COULD'VE used his newfound millions to do any matter of selfish thing, but instead used it to promote FOSS software and greater user control over their computers, thus establish himself as a kind of anti-Bill Gates.  In other words, this was a moral venture.

Sadly, Canonical is still a company, and can't pay the bills on shear morality alone (they could try, but would probably fail).  Unless one can change the way business is conducted, I fear the day may come when they have to ditch the Desktop market in favor of the more lucrative Server market (RedHat's arena), or barring that will have to convert Ubuntu into a paid OS, and hence open a veritable can of worms (although the dual model seems to work for Mandriva).

Another great irony is that companies (or at least most Western companies) tend to be models of "inefficient efficiency", and that has sadly bled through into the *Buntus in recent releases.  Compared to the more stable 6.x's, the 7.x's were released with many bugs, and careless updates that could break a system beyond easy repair.  In addition to that, they also use a lot of nonfree or at least questionably-free software -- many feel, for example, that programs that are written in Mono (a kind of open-source  .NET with a shady history) are essentially trojan horses for M$ patent persecution. Aas in, "OOH LOOK!! They're using proprietary M$ code that we secretly injected into the open source community to litigate it later!  Get 'em!!" (incidentally, Gobuntu addresses this by being all free software-based,... but then again it's really only Debian with a stranger name...  ^___^;)

I'm glad to see that 8.04 will be another LTS, and hopefully they can stamp out or address some of these issues.  I'd love it if I were wrong about them, but I'm sure you can understand if I'm always cautious about people pursuing some kind of Bottom Line.  ^^;

QuoteNo, you work, while we New Englanders and Scandinavians go out and romp in the snow!

Awww shucks.  ;___;

QuoteSpeaking of which, a friend recently got a Vista computer as a gift. The gift-giver tossed around getting an XP machine, a gPC or even a Mac, mind you, and even wanted to avoid using Vista, but the Vista computer was the only one that would suit the recipient's needs.

Anyhow, the thing's been giving him grief from the start; he can't even get it to go online. So he calls me for help, but I'm lost too. I just had to come out and say, "I don't know, I never had to do this with XP"...

How long will you give it before he installs something else on that machine?  ^____^;

QuoteSnow? What snow!? Even here on the 60:th latitude there's not a SINGLE DAMN PIECE OF FROST, DAMNIT! [expletive] GLOBAL WARMING CRAP[expletive]! KILL YOURSELVES!!!

*pant pant*
GUH. Hell, I even went skiing and besides the prepared snow on the slopes, it was +6 DEGREES CELSIUS AND NO SNOW WHATSOEVER. Also bad rides. Hell, I hate this crap...

Poor Nejin-san seems to be having it rough up there too.  ^^;
Yeah, I'm not getting much snow,... only LOTS and LOTS of rain.  -____-;

QuoteThere's only ten characters that can describe that: OMG ROFLMAO!

Welcome to the club.  ^^;

QuoteHm.
I've always thought the other way - since I've always used XP as my primary OS and haven't gotten any real thoughts about switching, I've always found the more off-path Linuces and stuff more attractive. Ah well, I guess that's because of me+XP=<3...

I love XP too, but I've always been very curious about what else is out there. This, and I know I'm never going to buy a Windows machine ever again, so I might as well see what I'm going to end up using :P

QuoteOn a related topic, I agree...DX10. -w-

*hands Nejin medal for perfect pun*

QuoteSnow? What snow!? Even here on the 60:th latitude there's not a SINGLE DAMN PIECE OF FROST, DAMNIT! FUKKING GLOBAL WARMING CRAPSHIT! KILL YOURSELVES!!!

*pant pant*
GUH. Hell, I even went skiing and besides the prepared snow on the slopes, it was +6 DEGREES CELSIUS AND NO SNOW WHATSOEVER. Also bad rides. Hell, I hate this crap...

That sucks. But this is, like, the first year anyone can remember when we've gotten snow like this. And it'll be really cold for a while, then really warm, but we always end up with more snow...

As for the skiing here, over the past couple of weeks the snow conditions have been terrible (because we had a warm streak). Very icy and rough...I haven't even gone out snowboarding during vacation. So I can sympathize : \

And this concludes the OSC Snow Report XD

QuoteOooh,... don't lump Mandriva in with those bastardly types. @___@
See their response to M$ patent-protection fraud:

http://news.zdnet.co.uk/software/0,1000000121,39287672,00.htm

Might help that they're based in France (and Canonical in South Africa), except for RedHat, all the other companies that caved in were,... sadly,......... let's just say they're "neighbors" to M$, and thus far more susceptible to be cowed by silly software patents, or at least the cost of litigation thereof. ^__________^;

Hmmm....I never thought of that...

It is true the US is a country of litigation -__-

QuoteUbuntu is as great as it is because it was started by a true philanthropist Mark Shuttleworth, who COULD'VE used his newfound millions to do any matter of selfish thing, but instead used it to promote FOSS software and greater user control over their computers, thus establish himself as a kind of anti-Bill Gates. In other words, this was a moral venture.

Sadly, Canonical is still a company, and can't pay the bills on shear morality alone (they could try, but would probably fail). Unless one can change the way business is conducted, I fear the day may come when they have to ditch the Desktop market in favor of the more lucrative Server market (RedHat's arena), or barring that will have to convert Ubuntu into a paid OS, and hence open a veritable can of worms (although the dual model seems to work for Mandriva).

Ah, Mark Shuttleworth, the anti-Gates, space-traveling crusader for morality!

But good point. I don't trust companies completely either...

QuoteAnother great irony is that companies (or at least most Western companies) tend to be models of "inefficient efficiency", and that has sadly bled through into the *Buntus in recent releases. Compared to the more stable 6.x's, the 7.x's were released with many bugs, and careless updates that could break a system beyond easy repair. In addition to that, they also use a lot of nonfree or at least questionably-free software -- many feel, for example, that programs that are written in Mono (a kind of open-source .NET with a shady history) are essentially trojan horses for M$ patent persecution. Aas in, "OOH LOOK!! They're using proprietary M$ code that we secretly injected into the open source community to litigate it later! Get 'em!!" (incidentally, Gobuntu addresses this by being all free software-based,... but then again it's really only Debian with a stranger name... ^___^

I'm glad to see that 8.04 will be another LTS, and hopefully they can stamp out or address some of these issues. I'd love it if I were wrong about them, but I'm sure you can understand if I'm always cautious about people pursuing some kind of Bottom Line. ^^;

Hmmm...so now I have a good reason not to update my VM Ubuntu (and I wasn't downloading updates just to cut down on the virtual HD space)

I didn't know this about the open-source .NET! I had never even heard of Mono...

QuoteHow long will you give it before he installs something else on that machine? ^____^;

Never. He mostly does gaming T___T

Quote from: "Bella"

QuoteHow long will you give it before he installs something else on that machine? ^____^;

Never. He mostly does gaming T___T

Yeah, why is it that all those companies dont make their games work on Linux-es-versions-es-es!? The only thing keeping me tied to Windblows is the gamez.... (BTW has anyone ever thought that using Windows is a bad way to get somewhere? I'd much rather use Doors :D)

Quote*hands Nejin medal for perfect pun*

Why thank you, milady. -w-

QuoteThat sucks. But this is, like, the first year anyone can remember when we've gotten snow like this. And it'll be really cold for a while, then really warm, but we always end up with more snow...

As for the skiing here, over the past couple of weeks the snow conditions have been terrible (because we had a warm streak). Very icy and rough...I haven't even gone out snowboarding during vacation. So I can sympathize : \

And this concludes the OSC Snow Report XD

Well frankly we've had it somewhat that way as well - cold streak for a long time, then snow, then the next day it all melts away, and so on. Just jumping back and forth.

It'll be other business though, when I go up for my REAL skiing trip in March, up to Kittelfjäll on the seventy-somethingeth latitude. Now THAT's gonna end in a blast!

QuoteAnd this concludes the OSC Snow Report XD

Wow,... I've been gone for two days, and already we're setting up Snow Reports left and right!  >v<

QuoteAh, Mark Shuttleworth, the anti-Gates, space-traveling crusader for morality!

But good point. I don't trust companies completely either...

QuoteHmmm...so now I have a good reason not to update my VM Ubuntu (and I wasn't downloading updates just to cut down on the virtual HD space)

I didn't know this about the open-source .NET! I had never even heard of Mono...

Probably worth giving it a read, since there's a list of famous apps that run on it:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mono_%28software%29

And likewise, here's Mr. Shuttleworth's stance on it, which while having its own merits is contentested by a lot of equally valid-points in the Comments section:

http://boycottnovell.com/2008/02/22/mark-shuttleworth-on-patents/

Remember in the Theories thread when I predicted that the Linux world would have some very turbulent years up ahead (the "Linux Wars" as you put it?).  That's because I'm a firm believer that the greatest civilizations are never destroyed from without but from within, and in this case this kind of "code infiltration" sets as much a dangerous precedent as Novell/Xandros/Linspire cozying up to M$.  

Even if it doesn't bring us down through litigation, it will certainly serve to divide the community.  Those who care to draw themselves into Gnome/KDE debates certainly don't hesitate to point out how cozy Gnome has gotten with M$ technology recently.  '___'

QuoteYeah, why is it that all those companies dont make their games work on Linux-es-versions-es-es!? The only thing keeping me tied to Windblows is the gamez....

Oh that's easy,... market share.  ^__^

There are more games out for Mac now than ever before because OSX has acquired a bigger market share than it had in the late '90's, early '00's (course the PowerPC vs Mactel processor might also have something to do with it, but any savvy game company can make a game fly on a PowerPC).

Linux still holds a VERY tiny share in the market -- even in developing countries, it still loses out to the onslaught of illegal, pirated Windows copies.

To top it off, most proprietary companies don't want consumers to get USED to the notion of using a free and open source system.  If, GAWD forbid, they should happen to get educated about the computer systems they run, they might just start to wonder WHY this application costs $1400, and WHY do I have to keep buying endless expansion packs for the Sims when I can make my own, and WHY do I need this $500 graphics card when that $50 one serves all my needs and runs those very addictive FOSS games.  ^.^

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Incidentally, seems like Nejin-san has become quite the fan of despaired teachers and crazy students.  ^^;

Added after 21 minutes:

Ah yes, and almost forgot....

Some Feel Good news.  ^___^

http://www.insidesocal.com/click/2008/02/19yearold_mac_doing_server_dut.html

Quote from: "C-Chan"

QuoteYeah, why is it that all those companies dont make their games work on Linux-es-versions-es-es!? The only thing keeping me tied to Windblows is the gamez....

Oh that's easy,... market share.  ^__^

There are more games out for Mac now than ever before because OSX has acquired a bigger market share than it had in the late '90's, early '00's (course the PowerPC vs Mactel processor might also have something to do with it, but any savvy game company can make a game fly on a PowerPC).

Linux still holds a VERY tiny share in the market -- even in developing countries, it still loses out to the onslaught of illegal, pirated Windows copies.

To top it off, most proprietary companies don't want consumers to get USED to the notion of using a free and open source system.  If, GAWD forbid, they should happen to get educated about the computer systems they run, they might just start to wonder WHY this application costs $1400, and WHY do I have to keep buying endless expansion packs for the Sims when I can make my own, and WHY do I need this $500 graphics card when that $50 one serves all my needs and runs those very addictive FOSS games.  ^.^

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Incidentally, seems like Nejin-san has become quite the fan of despaired teachers and crazy students.  ^^;

Ow yeah...I withdraw my question/statement, because you made me realize that we need linux-based os-es to seperate the (to put it crudely) n00bs from the l337 (man I've got to clear my desk so I can start working on my BeoPup ;010 )...that plus when everyone goes for free open-source software the economy'll have a heart attack...

QuoteOw yeah...I withdraw my question/statement, because you made me realize that we need linux-based os-es to seperate the (to put it crudely) n00bs from the l337

Well maybe that's a step in the right direction, but can't be a true l337 till you've gotten acquainted with System I-III UNIX, Multics, VMS, Plan 9 and other things hardcore.  ^^;

Quote(man I've got to clear my desk so I can start working on my BeoPup  )

AWESOME!!  And you ARE gonna make one!!!  And with Puppy-chan no less!!!  Suddenly I feel the urge to invoke my picture of Ryoga Puppy-chan....  ^__^

Quotethat plus when everyone goes for free open-source software the economy'll have a heart attack...

Naah, if a company's smart like RedHat, Mozilla and Google, they'll know how to make money with open source and lots of it.  ^^

So only the lowest common denominator companies would have a heart attack and bring the entire global market down with them.... -v-

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Oh @%$#.....  ^^;

Quote from: "C-Chan"

Quote(man I've got to clear my desk so I can start working on my BeoPup  )

AWESOME!!  And you ARE gonna make one!!!  And with Puppy-chan no less!!!  Suddenly I feel the urge to invoke my picture of Ryoga Puppy-chan....  ^__^

Eehm I am planning on using CluterKnoppix (because of OpenMosix)
And I'm calling her BeoPup because she'll exist of 2 nodes and a terminal for now (space-issues)
Sorry if I gave you any false hope, but if you do know of an OS thats runs clusters like ClusterKnoppix (with the auto-configuring of the nodes because it uses OpenMosix), please feel free to tell me (maybe I need to give this its own thread, because I've got some questions about data-serving and stuff as well...Meh, probably best to wait for an Admin's green light)

QuoteProbably worth giving it a read, since there's a list of famous apps that run on it:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mono_%28software%29

And likewise, here's Mr. Shuttleworth's stance on it, which while having its own merits is contentested by a lot of equally valid-points in the Comments section:

Wait...is Mono limited to GNOME...?

*contemplates going to Kubuntu...*

QuoteRemember in the Theories thread when I predicted that the Linux world would have some very turbulent years up ahead (the "Linux Wars" as you put it?). That's because I'm a firm believer that the greatest civilizations are never destroyed from without but from within, and in this case this kind of "code infiltration" sets as much a dangerous precedent as Novell/Xandros/Linspire cozying up to M$.

Even if it doesn't bring us down through litigation, it will certainly serve to divide the community. Those who care to draw themselves into Gnome/KDE debates certainly don't hesitate to point out how cozy Gnome has gotten with M$ technology recently. '___'

Oi...I'm starting to think a huge fracas is needed in the life of every OS group. It builds character -__-

But...wait...GNOME...cozy with M$?

I is coming Kubuntu!

QuoteThere are more games out for Mac now than ever before because OSX has acquired a bigger market share than it had in the late '90's, early '00's (course the PowerPC vs Mactel processor might also have something to do with it, but any savvy game company can make a game fly on a PowerPC).

I still think the greatest game for Mac is Photoshop. It is the greatest game for Windows, come to think about it XD

QuoteTo top it off, most proprietary companies don't want consumers to get USED to the notion of using a free and open source system. If, GAWD forbid, they should happen to get educated about the computer systems they run, they might just start to wonder WHY this application costs $1400, and WHY do I have to keep buying endless expansion packs for the Sims when I can make my own, and WHY do I need this $500 graphics card when that $50 one serves all my needs and runs those very addictive FOSS games. ^.^

Honestly, I haven't bought much software or any hardware upgrades since I've gotten my computer(s). I always tried to find a freeware, or better yet, open-source alternative....

QuoteAh yes, and almost forgot....

Some Feel Good news. ^___^

http://www.insidesocal.com/click/2008/02/19yearold_mac_doing_server_dut.html

Wow! Makes me wanna convert the ol' Compaq into a server :P

QuoteWell maybe that's a step in the right direction, but can't be a true l337 till you've gotten acquainted with System I-III UNIX, Multics, VMS, Plan 9 and other things hardcore. ^^;

Oh man...that is the funniest comic XD

But I have a question: does RSTS/E count?

QuoteEehm I am planning on using CluterKnoppix (because of OpenMosix)
And I'm calling her BeoPup because she'll exist of 2 nodes and a terminal for now (space-issues)
Sorry if I gave you any false hope, but if you do know of an OS thats runs clusters like ClusterKnoppix (with the auto-configuring of the nodes because it uses OpenMosix), please feel free to tell me (maybe I need to give this its own thread, because I've got some questions about data-serving and stuff as well...Meh, probably best to wait for an Admin's green light)

I get it...is BeoPup a play on words with "Beowulf"? It's really cool your going to make your own mini-supercomputer!

And I have a funny find:

http://www.openbsd.org/lyrics.html

A bunch of OpenBSD songs. I was vaguely amused...but mostly I was PO'ed by the vague insults to Linux, Mac, and/or Solaris. At least I think they were insults XD

yes, i thought: wulf=wolf->pup... :d

and those songs are great (even on a psp, cuz im housesitting at my sis's who has a pc and internet, but not a connection between them)

Quoteyes, i thought: wulf=wolf->pup... :d

Yay I guessed it  ;010

I dunno if this is the right thread to blab about this, but I figure we like alternative and old OSs...and this is about as alternative and old as you can get XD

So I decide to try communicating with RSTS/E again; my past attempts I got no farther than the login. But this time I was able to play a game!

Bella and RSTS/E's Excellent Adventure:



This is the intro to the game...notice it was originally developed by the Stanford Artificial Intelligent Lab? SAIL, if you don't know, used our favorite hippie OS, WAITS :P



Here I needed some tips. I like that, you just type "help" and a bunch of tips appear :D



I found a house with some supplies inside, which I raided XD

BTW, I got 48 out of 350 points; I was rated a novice class adventurer!

Let us review: The most fun I've had playing a computer game recently was playing a D&D-inspired text game via hyperterminal, communicating with a simulated PDP-11 in Sweden running RTST/E, an OS from the mid-to-late 1970s. Am I a geek yet?

Quote from: "Bella"Let us review: The most fun I've had playing a computer game recently was playing a D&D-inspired text game via hyperterminal, communicating with a simulated PDP-11 in Sweden running RTST/E, an OS from the mid-to-late 1970s. Am I a geek yet?

Wow...I love those old mini-computers, and the last time I saw any PDP in use was in swordfish, I thought, well if I chuck out my wardrobe-closet I could fit one of those in my room :D......
So to anwser your question: No you're not a geek (as long as you still have a social life and other hobby's, no "Geek" does not apply then...)

*comes stumbling in*

Yo peoplez.... ^^'
Sorry, I've been away for a while.... -.-'

Currently writing from my beloved BLACK EeePC 2G... I was right, equipped with EeePCLOS, this girl can fly!  ^v^

But yeah, been busy with tons of other stuff aside from development, so hopefully y'all have forgotten about this crazy pig.  ^^;

I'll be back (my head's killing me now), but to quickly answer your question...

You can always consult The Legendary Chart of Geekery....  ^____^



*C-chan falls asleep over EeePC 2G*

*snuggles up*

*snore*  -____- Zzzzzz

Well, guess I'm just a H4rdw4r3 phr34k then... :D

Okay, almost back on s'hedule....  -v-

Quoteehm I am planning on using CluterKnoppix (because of OpenMosix)
And I'm calling her BeoPup because she'll exist of 2 nodes and a terminal for now (space-issues)
Sorry if I gave you any false hope, but if you do know of an OS thats runs clusters like ClusterKnoppix (with the auto-configuring of the nodes because it uses OpenMosix), please feel free to tell me (maybe I need to give this its own thread, because I've got some questions about data-serving and stuff as well...Meh, probably best to wait for an Admin's green light)

Aa sou....  '___'

*shoos Puppy-chan away*

In that case, something new just came out which you might be willing to try:

http://pareto.uab.es/mcreel/PelicanHPC/

Moot point, though, since it's also Knoppix-based.  ^v^;

QuoteWait...is Mono limited to GNOME...?

*contemplates going to Kubuntu...*

Well like all languages, you can run Mono apps on KDE as well.  But only GNOME has code built in to allow Mono applications to run natively on it.  

QuoteOi...I'm starting to think a huge fracas is needed in the life of every OS group. It builds character -__-

But...wait...GNOME...cozy with M$?

I is coming Kubuntu!

Well now I feel bad, cause I didn't tell you all that just to drive you away from your Ubuntu.....  -_______-

*mopes*

Besides, there's just so much literature out there to absorb, so I'm just spewing out what I've heard really.  ^^'
There are certainly a lot of Gnome users who actively ensure their systems are not "corrupted" with Mono or anything else suspiciously M$-friendly.  It's generally the GNOME maintainers who usually get all the heat, and often rightfully so.  This article and its comments are a good example:

http://www.linux.com/feature/121930

Kubuntu is a neat system, but hardly the best implementation of KDE.  ^^;
I think Sidux is better at that, and definitely much faster given it's hardcore Debian status (and the fact that it uses the Sid Unstable branch means it gives you as much software choices as Ubuntu, which also works off the unstable branch now).

QuoteI still think the greatest game for Mac is Photoshop. It is the greatest game for Windows, come to think about it XD

^V^

QuoteHonestly, I haven't bought much software or any hardware upgrades since I've gotten my computer(s). I always tried to find a freeware, or better yet, open-source alternative....

Very good, my dear Bella-sama.  ^____^
I'm kinda the same way,... except when it comes to hardware anyway.  Kinda explains why I have another EeePC.   ^^;

QuoteWow! Makes me wanna convert the ol' Compaq into a server :P

Oh right,... I have an old Compaq I need to fix up too....  ^.^;
Let me see if maybe.... *plots and schemes*

QuoteBut I have a question: does RSTS/E count?

Hey,... Unix-sama was partially born thanks to PDP hardware, so yeah!  That's hardcore hardcore l337!  ^___^

QuoteAnd I have a funny find:

http://www.openbsd.org/lyrics.html

A bunch of OpenBSD songs. I was vaguely amused...but mostly I was PO'ed by the vague insults to Linux, Mac, and/or Solaris. At least I think they were insults XD

Meh, it's all playful banter.  ^v^'

But loved this part:  "In the end, the thieves learned there is always a bigger fish!".  ^^

QuoteSo I decide to try communicating with RSTS/E again; my past attempts I got no farther than the login. But this time I was able to play a game!

Bella and RSTS/E's Excellent Adventure:

OMG!!!!!!!  BELLA-sama is FULFILLING OUR LIFELONG DREAM RIGHT BEFORE OUR EYES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  @v@
(and is that a play on "Bill and Ted's"?)

QuoteThis is the intro to the game...notice it was originally developed by the Stanford Artificial Intelligent Lab? SAIL, if you don't know, used our favorite hippie OS, WAITS :P

And OMG!!!!!!!!!!  IT'S A SMALL WORLD AFTER ALL!!!!!!!!!  @@

QuoteHere I needed some tips. I like that, you just type "help" and a bunch of tips appear  

And and OMG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  SHE STILL HAS VMS-SAMA IN THE BACKGROUND!!!!!!!!!  ;^^;

QuoteI found a house with some supplies inside, which I raided XD

And and and OMG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  SHE'S A FUGITIVE OF THE LAW TOO BOOT!!!!!!!!!!!!  ;^___^;

QuoteBTW, I got 48 out of 350 points; I was rated a novice class adventurer!

Let us review: The most fun I've had playing a computer game recently was playing a D&D-inspired text game via hyperterminal, communicating with a simulated PDP-11 in Sweden running RTST/E, an OS from the mid-to-late 1970s. Am I a geek yet?

AAAAAAAAAAAAAnd OMFG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  I'M GONNA SWOON OUTSIDE OF AN ART THREAD!!!!!!!!!!!!  ;@V@;

*swoons*

QuoteYo peoplez.... ^^'
Sorry, I've been away for a while.... -.-'

Currently writing from my beloved BLACK EeePC 2G... I was right, equipped with EeePCLOS, this girl can fly! ^v^

Oooh...if I'm not mistaken...did you get a new EeePC...?

QuoteBut yeah, been busy with tons of other stuff aside from development, so hopefully y'all have forgotten about this crazy pig. ^^;

Forgotten about you? We've been plastering the neighborhood with posters! We thought perhaps you were abducted by aliens. Or time-travelers. Or espers :P

QuoteI'll be back (my head's killing me now), but to quickly answer your question...

Uh...oh...Someone's been out partying... ;)

QuoteYou can always consult The Legendary Chart of Geekery.... ^____^

Oh wow, C-Chan, your a pig, does that mean you're a 1337 h4x0r script kiddie!?

QuoteWell like all languages, you can run Mono apps on KDE as well. But only GNOME has code built in to allow Mono applications to run natively on it.

So you mean to say, GNOME has the Mono-based apps built in?

QuoteWell now I feel bad, cause I didn't tell you all that just to drive you away from your Ubuntu..... -_______-

Nothing short of Ubuntu being bought by M$ will drive me away from it :P

*dreamy sigh*

QuoteKubuntu is a neat system, but hardly the best implementation of KDE. ^^;
I think Sidux is better at that, and definitely much faster given it's hardcore Debian status (and the fact that it uses the Sid Unstable branch means it gives you as much software choices as Ubuntu, which also works off the unstable branch now).

Hmmm....

QuoteHey,... Unix-sama was partially born thanks to PDP hardware, so yeah! That's hardcore hardcore l337! ^___^

Woot I pwn u n00bs!

Just kidding, kidding! XD

QuoteMeh, it's all playful banter. ^v^'

But loved this part: "In the end, the thieves learned there is always a bigger fish!". ^^

No, I refuse to take that as playful banter! I am full of indignation! Kinda :P

QuoteOMG!!!!!!! BELLA-sama is FULFILLING OUR LIFELONG DREAM RIGHT BEFORE OUR EYES!!!!!!!!!!!!!! @v@
(and is that a play on "Bill and Ted's"?)

Yes, I couldn't help but make that little pun XD

QuoteAnd OMG!!!!!!!!!! IT'S A SMALL WORLD AFTER ALL!!!!!!!!! @@

Very small!

QuoteAnd and OMG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! SHE STILL HAS VMS-SAMA IN THE BACKGROUND!!!!!!!!! ;^^;

Yes I do!

QuoteAnd and and OMG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! SHE'S A FUGITIVE OF THE LAW TOO BOOT!!!!!!!!!!!! ;^___^;

Wouldn't be the first time I stole food from a stranger's home!

Quote
AAAAAAAAAAAAAnd OMFG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I'M GONNA SWOON OUTSIDE OF AN ART THREAD!!!!!!!!!!!! ;@V@;

*swoons*

OH MEH GAWD ITS A VMS!!!!!!!! @o@



Yes, I finally figured out how to connect via hyperteminal to (the aptly frighteningly named) DeathRow's VMS machine!

I answered the ancient riddle of "what happens when you put a Windows and Linux using, GUI-hugging noob behind the wheel of one of the most powerful OS ever built"...

...

Not much. At first I typed in the wrong password, which got me das boot. Upon typing in the right user name/password, I checked the system info (by typing "show system"), I saw what other users were logged in (show users), and then kinda logged out. ^///^

Nope, VMS doesn't have time for silly games like RSTS/E does. VMS is a worker, not a slacker. XD

QuoteOooh...if I'm not mistaken...did you get a new EeePC...?

Fufufu!  But of course, my dear Bella-sama.  ^.^

For testing AND marketing purposes -- once EeePCLOS has all remaining kinks worked out, I'll lend it out to friends and coworkers to show just how far you can take a so-called "cheap" laptop.  ^____^

Suffice to say, I have a lot of people interested now,... figure that if I'm crazy enough to get another one, it MUST be good.  ^^

(Plus a few of them have kids too.)

Oh, and for a picture of my darling new EeePC 2G-chan, check out the Post my Desktop thread.  ^________^

QuoteForgotten about you? We've been plastering the neighborhood with posters! We thought perhaps you were abducted by aliens. Or time-travelers. Or espers :P

Oh, feel free to let me be kidnapped by time-travelers....  ^.^

*lecherous chuckle*

QuoteUh...oh...Someone's been out partying...

My explanation's a bit more graphic in the EeePCLOS forum, but yeah,... you could say that..... ^///^;

QuoteOh wow, C-Chan, your a pig, does that mean you're a 1337 h4x0r script kiddie!?

Unfortunately, that means I'll be a script kiddie for the rest of my life.... T___T

Oh well,... guess I'll just go back to drawing.... -v-;

QuoteSo you mean to say, GNOME has the Mono-based apps built in?

Well,... you know how the new KDE for Windows let's you use KDE4 apps by setting up a temporary KDE compatibility environment in windows, or vice-versa with WINE if you want to run Windows programs in Linux?  Imagine then that KDE4 drivers and stuff were built into Windows, and WINE built into Linux, such that both would be able to run eachother's programs natively?

I guess that's more like what the Mono integration is like.

Granted, just as there are legal ramifications barring the other two scenarios, I can imagine that Mono integration is not necessarily devoid of that either.  

QuoteHmmm....

Just throwing that out there, cause your skills are improving, and just like how you're having a strong attraction to NT's ancestors, I foresee you starting to get more and more curious of Ubuntu's ancestor, Debian-sama.  She's not as easy to use, and she's a lot more rigid about rules and what constitutes "free and open source" (to the point of repackaging Firefox as IceWeasel to avoid legal ramifications from the copyright!!).  But by GAWD is she fast, rock-solid and stable, and fully-loaded with software up the wazoo (in that respect, Ubuntu-san takes after her).  :)

Probably the reason why MEPIS moved back to Debian for its more recent builds....

QuoteWouldn't be the first time I stole food from a stranger's home!

And then she says I creep HER out for singing to my laptop....  @v@;

*inches away slowly*

QuoteOH MEH GAWD ITS A VMS!!!!!!!! @o@

OOH!  Is it no small coincidence that VMS-sama is peering over the window, with that glare of hers that says "use me or die as fish food"?

QuoteI answered the ancient riddle of "what happens when you put a Windows and Linux using, GUI-hugging noob behind the wheel of one of the most powerful OS ever built"...

...

Not much. At first I typed in the wrong password, which got me das boot. Upon typing in the right user name/password, I checked the system info (by typing "show system"), I saw what other users were logged in (show users), and then kinda logged out. ^///^

Chicken!  QUORK!QUORK!QUORK!!!  ^v^;

*distracts Bella while he goes ahead and huddles inside a bunker, terrified of l337 VMS users scoffing at him*

QuoteNope, VMS doesn't have time for silly games like RSTS/E does. VMS is a worker, not a slacker. XD

So when you really think about it,....... we REALLY nailed her personality good, didn't we?  ^.^

Added after 1 minutes:

Oh right, almost forgot...

Three new links filled with 5% fun, 95% frivolities and general "WTF" moments.... ^^'

http://www.channelregister.co.uk/2008/03/01/microsoft_intel_vista_capable_emails/

http://hardware.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/03/03/2052255&from=rss

http://www.networkworld.com/community/node/25567

Well... Since were on the topic of powerful die hard stuff...
I'm juggling with the idea of learning a 1st or 2nd generation programming language. Seriously now, is machine code hard to learn? (if I'm going to learn a language, it better be a hard-core one... And I prefer Binary machine code over Assembly because it eliminates the need of an Assembler and lets you inject instructions directly in the machine)
'Cuz if I can master that, me and my BeoPup'll make a nice team....*rubs hands in delight*

Added after 2 minutes:

BTW "mastering machine code" means "handling machine code without destroying the system..."  ;010

QuoteFufufu! But of course, my dear Bella-sama. ^.^

For testing AND marketing purposes -- once EeePCLOS has all remaining kinks worked out, I'll lend it out to friends and coworkers to show just how far you can take a so-called "cheap" laptop. ^____^

Suffice to say, I have a lot of people interested now,... figure that if I'm crazy enough to get another one, it MUST be good. ^^

(Plus a few of them have kids too.)

Oh, and for a picture of my darling new EeePC 2G-chan, check out the Post my Desktop thread. ^________^

Oooh, neat! But ya know what this makes you...a EeePC Evangelist! ^_^

QuoteMy explanation's a bit more graphic in the EeePCLOS forum, but yeah,... you could say that..... ^///^;

I see...you and some of the EeePCLOS crew flew out to Vegas for the weekend, and had one heck of a toga party! I always wondered what you Linux developers did in your spare time...

QuoteWell,... you know how the new KDE for Windows let's you use KDE4 apps by setting up a temporary KDE compatibility environment in windows, or vice-versa with WINE if you want to run Windows programs in Linux? Imagine then that KDE4 drivers and stuff were built into Windows, and WINE built into Linux, such that both would be able to run eachother's programs natively?

I guess that's more like what the Mono integration is like.

Granted, just as there are legal ramifications barring the other two scenarios, I can imagine that Mono integration is not necessarily devoid of that either.

Oh, I see...

QuoteJust throwing that out there, cause your skills are improving, and just like how you're having a strong attraction to NT's ancestors, I foresee you starting to get more and more curious of Ubuntu's ancestor, Debian-sama. She's not as easy to use, and she's a lot more rigid about rules and what constitutes "free and open source" (to the point of repackaging Firefox as IceWeasel to avoid legal ramifications from the copyright!!). But by GAWD is she fast, rock-solid and stable, and fully-loaded with software up the wazoo (in that respect, Ubuntu-san takes after her).

Hmmm...I do have different levels of adventurousness, though...while I'm quite curious when it comes to historic OSs, I'm a bit timid about the Linuxes :P

But Debian is very FOSS, huh?

QuoteAnd then she says I creep HER out for singing to my laptop.... @v@;

*inches away slowly*

What? You've never ran out of pancake batter and "barrowed" some from a neighbor? Open windows are as good as an invitation, I say!

QuoteOOH! Is it no small coincidence that VMS-sama is peering over the window, with that glare of hers that says "use me or die as fish food"?

No, it's a coincidence :P

QuoteChicken! QUORK!QUORK!QUORK!!! ^v^;

*distracts Bella while he goes ahead and huddles inside a bunker, terrified of l337 VMS users scoffing at him*

Yesterday I discovered what the VMS users do to folks who try to (unsuccessfully) screw up their machines...they more or less make hand puppets out of them XD

QuoteSo when you really think about it,....... we REALLY nailed her personality good, didn't we? ^.^

No, I take that back...they have a whole menu of games under a different username. VMS can run Adventure like RSTS/E, as well as a bunch of games that use very basic "graphics" you could say, made out of different characters. Really odd, actually, and I can't seem to play any of them : \

QuoteThree new links filled with 5% fun, 95% frivolities and general "WTF" moments.... ^^'

http://www.channelregister.co.uk/2008/03/01/microsoft_intel_vista_capable_emails/

http://hardware.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/03/03/2052255&from=rss

http://www.networkworld.com/community/node/25567

Oh wow...that first one..."You know this stuff goes on. But you're still gobsmacked when the proof turns up." XD

And that last one had me ROTFLMAO!

Quote'Cuz if I can master that, me and my BeoPup'll make a nice team....*rubs hands in delight*

11100010101010101100011100101101001010110100000000011110101010100001111101012...?  ^^

Speaking of which, gotta link I just KNOW you're gonna love.  Comments are a riot too....  `v'

http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2008/02/28/ps3s_put_to_use_simulating_blackholes/comments/#c_165999

QuoteOooh, neat! But ya know what this makes you...a EeePC Evangelist!

I prefer the phrase "EeePC Emancipator", thank you very much.... ^.^

QuoteI see...you and some of the EeePCLOS crew flew out to Vegas for the weekend, and had one heck of a toga party! I always wondered what you Linux developers did in your spare time...

Oh but you forget, my dear Bella-sama, of the huge concentration of Linux Developers in Europe.  Hence,... we had the party in Monte Carlo.  ^^;

*does fancy-pants dance*

QuoteHmmm...I do have different levels of adventurousness, though...while I'm quite curious when it comes to historic OSs, I'm a bit timid about the Linuxes :P

But Debian is very FOSS, huh?

To a fault.  ^.^

Their Stable repository is literally 3 years old, and it takes forever for new versions to be added in there.  Heck! They still have Inkscape 0.44 in there!  @o@

QuoteWhat? You've never ran out of pancake batter and "barrowed" some from a neighbor? Open windows are as good as an invitation, I say!

Oh sure I've borrowed pancake batter before, but never "barrowed" them!  My GAWD, that can't be decent...!  *C-chan's imagination runs wild*  @@'

QuoteYesterday I discovered what the VMS users do to folks who try to (unsuccessfully) screw up their machines...they more or less make hand puppets out of them XD

^^;

Considering I'm hand-size, I'm sure I don't want VMS-sama to make me into a hand puppet.  Like being stuffed and put on a wall....  ^^;

QuoteNo, I take that back...they have a whole menu of games under a different username. VMS can run Adventure like RSTS/E, as well as a bunch of games that use very basic "graphics" you could say, made out of different characters. Really odd, actually, and I can't seem to play any of them : \

A lover of odd games is another trait we can add to VMS-sama.  Surely her most closest friends still balk at her preference of "triominoes" in lieu of dominoes.  -v-;

QuoteOh wow...that first one..."You know this stuff goes on. But you're still gobsmacked when the proof turns up." XD

And that last one had me ROTFLMAO!

Another day, another dollar.  
You should see the ongoing scandal with the Yahoo takeover, vis-a-vis their desperate attempt to buy them.... They just don't stop....  ^___^'

It's literally come down to this...

http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?command=viewArticleBasic&taxonomyName=software&articleId=9066798&taxonomyId=18&intsrc=kc_top

Quote from: "C-Chan"

Quote'Cuz if I can master that, me and my BeoPup'll make a nice team....*rubs hands in delight*

11100010101010101100011100101101001010110100000000011110101010100001111101012...?  ^^

Speaking of which, gotta link I just KNOW you're gonna love.  Comments are a riot too....  `v'

http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2008/02/28/ps3s_put_to_use_simulating_blackholes/comments/#c_165999

OMG, those cell processors are WICKED!!!  ;010
Too bad they are insanely expensive... Besides I'd rather use the raw, simple power of a couple of quad Pentium Pro servers...(that's the fun of knowing a refurbishing company, practically free hardware for such projects :D )

Besides for learning machinecode you're better off with some old (free) 8088 than an expensive PS3 or an IBM blade....

And they were talking about extra processors on a PCI-e card?
I was thinking of OSAC OS on A Card... Put the entire OS on a dedicated PCI-E card with a dedicated processor and memory and leave the CPU and RAM for the applications....That should't be so hard; all you have to do is rewrite the BIOS so that it can recognize such a card as a bootable device...

Now thats fun stuff to be experimenting with... ;010

QuoteSpeaking of which, gotta link I just KNOW you're gonna love. Comments are a riot too.... `v'

http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2008/02/28/ps3s_put_to_use_simulating_blackholes/comments/#c_165999

Wait...someone's using PS3s to simulate black holes? I couldn't find the original article...

QuoteTheir Stable repository is literally 3 years old, and it takes forever for new versions to be added in there. Heck! They still have Inkscape 0.44 in there! @o@

Three years old?! Is this just a great caution when it comes to licenses and stuff, or are they just really...lazy...? ;)

QuoteA lover of odd games is another trait we can add to VMS-sama. Surely her most closest friends still balk at her preference of "triominoes" in lieu of dominoes. -v-;

Not just odd games. You know, the first time DEC publicly ran VMS, back in 1977, they had Ken Olsen play a game of Scrabble against it. VMS won, with the word "sensibly". People were astonished that the machine won!

Too bad they don't have a Scrabble program on their machine...:P

QuoteAnother day, another dollar.
You should see the ongoing scandal with the Yahoo takeover, vis-a-vis their desperate attempt to buy them.... They just don't stop.... ^___^'

It's literally come down to this...

They're like rabid raccoons!  o_o

QuoteOMG, those cell processors are WICKED!!!
Too bad they are insanely expensive... Besides I'd rather use the raw, simple power of a couple of quad Pentium Pro servers...(that's the fun of knowing a refurbishing company, practically free hardware for such projects )

Plus you'd be helping to cut down on e-Waste.
You can have a greener Super Computer, AND put Sony's latest botch job inits place.  TvT'

QuoteWait...someone's using PS3s to simulate black holes? I couldn't find the original article...

Yeah, they have about 16 PS3's stacked (literally) in a server room, connected by ethernet cables, and performing good ol' parallel processing (the kind the Smokesters try to build).

It is true the PS3's make [relatively] cheap computers, but given how many restrictions there are in using ALL of its hardware, its probably still more practical working with regular x86 hardware.  :)

QuoteThree years old?! Is this just a great caution when it comes to licenses and stuff, or are they just really...lazy...?  

That depends on who's making fun of them, but I'm sure it's just overt caution.  :P
In contrast, the Debian Sidders update their packages SO frequently, they actually don't even use Synaptic (it's too impractical for daily changes).

QuoteThey're like rabid raccoons!

Would it be hard for you to believe it could be worse?  ^______________^'

http://news.zdnet.co.uk/software/0,1000000121,39362112,00.htm

Quote from: "C-Chan"Plus you'd be helping to cut down on e-Waste.
You can have a greener Super Computer, AND put Sony's latest botch job inits place.  TvT'

Too bad my 19" 32-port hub didn't feel too green today...It (literally) blew a fuse and took a transistor with him  ;026... (That's a D***ed shame, too... I loved that hub, hosted many a lan-party on that one... I think I'll try to solder a new one in to reanimate it...Not to be green but it's just a nice hub, 10/100 Mbit, too)

Okay, a little something for everyone today!!  ^v^

First, something funny and Micro$ofty....

http://www.regdeveloper.co.uk/2008/03/10/bill_hilf_open_source_windows/

Second, something NOT as funny, but interesting....

http://www.itwire.com/content/view/16984/1141/

Third, a little something about the latest KDE4 and the great progress the devs have been making:

http://polishlinux.org/kde/kde-41-visual-changelog-rev-783000/

Fourth, a little something akin to C-chan's Baby Pictures...  ^v^
http://www.linuxloop.com/news/2008/03/08/how-many-linux-umpcs-can-you-name-test-yourself/

And finally, a little something for all you Binteji Renmei lovers out there!!  ^____^

http://computermuseum.50megs.com/collection.htm

QuoteFirst, something funny and Micro$ofty....

http://www.regdeveloper.co.uk/2008/03/10/bill_hilf_open_source_windows/

OMGWTF?! That's all I can say XD

QuoteSecond, something NOT as funny, but interesting....

http://www.itwire.com/content/view/16984/1141/

That's pretty interesting...

QuoteThird, a little something about the latest KDE4 and the great progress the devs have been making:

http://polishlinux.org/kde/kde-41-visual-changelog-rev-783000/

Ooooh...pretty...@__@

QuoteFourth, a little something akin to C-chan's Baby Pictures... ^v^
http://www.linuxloop.com/news/2008/03/08/how-many-linux-umpcs-can-you-name-test-yourself/

Hah...I didn't know there were so many UMPCs being made...

QuoteAnd finally, a little something for all you Binteji Renmei lovers out there!! ^____^

http://computermuseum.50megs.com/collection.htm

Oooh, wow! That site is great! I'll have to look though it more thoroughly when I have the time...

Anyhoo, last Saturday I was flipping though the channels when a show on the Discovery Channel caught my attention. It was called "Download: the true story of the internet", and I swear it could have been produced by a bunch of Linux fans and sponsored by Apple.

They talked about how M$ effectively stamped out Netscape...and OMG, did they make them look bad. And like a bunch of liars, cheats and thieves, as well. They used the term "Microsofties" repeatedly, and I think they called some M$ sales marketers "ninja terrorists" @____@

Needless to say, I was laughing hysterically though half the show...it's really worth a watch!

Quote from: "C-Chan"And finally, a little something for all you Binteji Renmei lovers out there!!  ^____^

http://computermuseum.50megs.com/collection.htm

That's a nice collection bust also very, very depressing cuz it reminds me of all the stuff i had to get rid of... (including an old unknown computer still running on 8"floppy's and an 8"HDD, and an acorn pc with really cool games  ;102 )

I miss my old Atari 8-bit as well.   -v-

In other news, here's a little something that I think DOS-chan would appreciate:

http://polishlinux.org/apps/from-dos-to-dosbox/

I appreciate it as well... yes, yes...
Always good, learning history is....

Wow, that's pretty interesting...

I'm too young to have any memories of vintage minicomputers, but I tell you this: I am holding on to my 1998 Compaq (cause if I wait long enough, that'll be an antique, too!)

I wish I didn't listen to my family... I'd be living as a package stacked between vintage hardware, but it'd be worth is...

*cries eyes out*

QuoteI wish I didn't listen to my family... I'd be living as a package stacked between vintage hardware, but it'd be worth is...

*cries eyes out*

You could have started a computer museum!

I dunno if this is the right thread to babble on about this, but we are for alternative OSs and stuff and this seems to fit :P

So, I decided to solve the mystery as to why Ubuntu (and Ubuntu-based gOS) can go online when running in a virtual machine, but no other distros (that I've tried-namely Zenwalk). So I decide to load up SAM, and, after following the setup instructions, it could connect. I got all excited; now I know that PCLOS-based distros could connect to the internet in a VM. Next, I gave Puppy Linux a try, and after using the connection wizard, it could go online too. It's at this point when I realize four out of the five distros I've used can go online from within a VM, which makes Zenwalk the exception.

Zenwalk, a Slackware based distro, being difficult? Nah, that can't be!

*subtle sarcasm*

I've discovered something millions before me knew about, I feel like Columbus XD

Though it could just be because it didn't install correctly, which means I could either go though that ordeal again or download the LiveCD. I'm feeling to lazy to try either.

Hmmm...Layness...Familiar problem, along with distraction....(I'm trying to get the hang of, say 10 emulated mini-computers and super-mini's, just to see if I can find something ancient wich pwns windows...:D wich I have)

QuoteHmmm...Layness...Familiar problem, along with distraction....(I'm trying to get the hang of, say 10 emulated mini-computers and super-mini's, just to see if I can find something ancient wich pwns windows... wich I have)

Oh yeah, you've been playing around with emulated minicomputers. I saw that in the Screenshots thread ^_^

In other news, I went to the Zenwalk homepage to see if that could offer any clues as to setting up a connection (since there doesn't seem to be a wizard or anything), and I found out that, supposedly, Zenwalk is very difficult to run under Virtualbox. But it has been running fine for me.

http://wiki.zenwalk.org/index.php?title=Zenwalk_on_Virtualbox_%28Guest%29

Hmmm...My friend's technopathy must have rubbed off on me a bit :P

*sits back on couch*

Ahhhh,... my old club, how I've missed you.  ^^

Nothing of EXTREME interest to report in the world of alternative computing... except that the new wave of cheap, mini Linux desktops is approaching....

http://us.shuttle.com/kpc/index.htm

The KPC runs for $200USB, but has specs comparable to my EeePCs.  The XPC has more staying power though, and chalks up only $300USD.  'Fice to say, I preordered an XPC already (as the KPC's are already out of stock).  @.@

Not really feeling the Foresight Linux distro, so I'll probably swap it for,... gee,... I wonder what....?  ;D

QuoteSo, I decided to solve the mystery as to why Ubuntu (and Ubuntu-based gOS) can go online when running in a virtual machine, but no other distros (that I've tried-namely Zenwalk). So I decide to load up SAM, and, after following the setup instructions, it could connect. I got all excited; now I know that PCLOS-based distros could connect to the internet in a VM. Next, I gave Puppy Linux a try, and after using the connection wizard, it could go online too. It's at this point when I realize four out of the five distros I've used can go online from within a VM, which makes Zenwalk the exception.

Oooh, I'm so proud of Bella-sama's heightened sense of adventure!  ^.^
Is that version of SAM the 2008 version, or the older one?

I could give Zenwalk a go myself in Virtualbox, just to see if I can have a whack at it.  But you might have to accept the possibility that it may not have the best (or at least the most "plug n play") hardware support around.  Many distros still may not hold a candle to Knoppix or Mandriva.  ^^'

Of all the Slack-based distributions, though, the one that I really want to try out is Slax.  The latest versions perfects the use of LZMA compression, which means that those already insanely-small LiveCDs could be made to store even MORE data per disk.  The current Gzipped PCLOS livecd.sqfs file weighs in at about 700MB, but with LZMA compression it could potentially weigh in between 400 to 500MB.  It's amazing stuff, but requires a lot of work on the kernel end to implement.

That makes the Slaxsters something like bold pioneers.  ^^

BTW, Bella-sama,...  ^.^

Would you be interested...

Perhaps....

In trying THIS out in your virtualbox....?  ^___^

http://linuxtracker.org/index.php?page=torrent-details&id=24c46b9bcec895fa030e0ff8bffd50aaee56bd91

Quote*sits back on couch*

Ahhhh,... my old club, how I've missed you. ^^

Nothing of EXTREME interest to report in the world of alternative computing... except that the new wave of cheap, mini Linux desktops is approaching....

http://us.shuttle.com/kpc/index.htm

The KPC runs for $200USB, but has specs comparable to my EeePCs. The XPC has more staying power though, and chalks up only $300USD. 'Fice to say, I preordered an XPC already (as the KPC's are already out of stock). @.@

Ooooh...those are cute...

QuoteNot really feeling the Foresight Linux distro, so I'll probably swap it for,... gee,... I wonder what....? ;D

Hell yeah Ubuntu!

*jumps up and down and shakes head rock-star style*

....wait....oh yeah....

QuoteOooh, I'm so proud of Bella-sama's heightened sense of adventure! ^.^
Is that version of SAM the 2008 version, or the older one?

I could give Zenwalk a go myself in Virtualbox, just to see if I can have a whack at it. But you might have to accept the possibility that it may not have the best (or at least the most "plug n play") hardware support around. Many distros still may not hold a candle to Knoppix or Mandriva. ^^'

That was the older version of SAM. A real blast from the past!

Kinda given up on getting Zenwalk to go online....

QuoteBTW, Bella-sama,... ^.^

Would you be interested...

Perhaps....

In trying THIS out in your virtualbox....? ^___^

http://linuxtracker.org/index.php?page=torrent-details&id=24c46b9bcec895fa030e0ff8bffd50aaee56bd91

Ooooh...you know how to get to my sense of Linux wanderlust :P

Yeah, maybe I'll give it a try. Playing around with SAM showed me how...interesting...PCLOS-based distros are...

Fufufu... not just that,... have you given the EeePCLOS Beta3 Change Log a look through?  See anyone familiar there?  :P

*revels with joy*

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On the news arena....

Something to make me swoon:

http://blogs.computerworld.com/iphones_biggest_competition_eee_pc_asus

And something that better illustrates the whole Mono issue I mentioned earlier:

http://boycottnovell.com/2008/03/24/mono-danger-to-linux/

well i am proud to announce my next offensive against Windows (Vista)!!!

I will try to install Fedora-sama and have her try to handle my games with Wine... :D ;010

Fufu... good luck.  You might want to wait around until Wine 1.0 -- yes, after 15 years, it will finally reach 1.0 status in May!  ^v^

*cheers*

Speaking of offensive, check out the latest Groklaw articles for MORE of the dramatic saga that is the OOXML ISO vote....  ^-^;

http://groklaw.net/

Damn you, Microsoft-kun... For thinking that you are better than everyone else, and are thus allowed to break rules as you please.....

*Imagines MS stock values plummiting*

Heh, a just punishment for all you did...

QuoteFufufu... not just that,... have you given the EeePCLOS Beta3 Change Log a look through? See anyone familiar there? :P

Heehee, I saw your username there. But I tried downloading that, and there weren't enough seeders so it went nowhere: /

I might give good ol', full-sized PCLOS a try, though....

QuoteAdded after 42 minutes:

On the news arena....

Something to make me swoon:

http://blogs.computerworld.com/iphones_biggest_competition_eee_pc_asus

And something that better illustrates the whole Mono issue I mentioned earlier:

http://boycottnovell.com/2008/03/24/mono-danger-to-linux/

Hah...I can't believe they compared the EeePC to the iPhone. You know what this means, an EeePC/iPhone-tan catfight picture! JK, JK...

And yeah...Mono is sounding worse by the second...

Quotewell i am proud to announce my next offensive against Windows (Vista)!!!

I will try to install Fedora-sama and have her try to handle my games with Wine...

Fedora, eh? Never given much thought to it, I always thought it was something of a server distro. As for Wine; I've heard mixed stories about it...

nah Fedora-sama is a full home-user desktop... try a LiveCD version sometimes, you'll like it... :D

Yeah, Fedora is quite nifty.  ^__^

Ran it a while back myself on a virtual machine.  ^.^

BTW, it just won't stop.... @.@

http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20080328090328998

I do have to say, now, that Fedora has her butt kicked by Freespire... :D (Fedora doesn't recognize my rtl8187 wifi card, and Freespire autoconfigs it from a liveCD :D)

Then again,... Freespire's onee-san is also sleeping with some pretty bad company...

Have you tried Mandriva or PCLinuxOS 2008 yet?

(actually PCLOS 2008 isn't released yet, but MiniME 2008 is ready.  ;) )

Well I have a PCLOS-Livedistro running on my lappie, wich works okay... (I guess she and my Mandriva LiveCD can get the wifi on my desktop working too... :D )

*squeals with delight*

In that case, ma work is done!   ^^

Regardless of whether you use the goddess PCLOS-sama, or Mama Mandriva, or even the cute SAM-chan,... 'tis all gravy.  And if you ever decide to get an EeePC and put EeePCLinuxOS on it, you'll find it infused with plenty of Essence O' C-chan.   ;010

HEHE... I have now (here comes a list... :D)

*Freespire LiveCD
*Mandriva 2008 LiveCD
*PCLOS LiveCD
*RIP Linux LiveCD
*DSL LiveCD
*Linux System Rescue (live-)CD
*Ubuntu LiveCD
*ClusterKNOPPIX LiveCD
*Fedora LiveCD and Install DVD

9 Different Distro's ;010

Don't forget to add the very latest vanilla Knoppix (I'm guessing ClusterKnoppix is still based on the old one).  It's almost guaranteed to swoon.  ^.^

http://www.knoppix.com/

SLAX might be an interesting diversion, since it uses LZMA compression for its LiveCD.  That current gzipped LiveCDs offer so much preinstalled software in a Live environment is amazing enough -- but with a superior compression method, the space savings is downright mind-blowing!   ;133

ClusterKNOPPIX is designed to run ComputerClusters (along with CHAOS, wich i'll download too...)

Quotenah Fedora-sama is a full home-user desktop... try a LiveCD version sometimes, you'll like it...

QuoteYeah, Fedora is quite nifty. ^__^

Ran it a while back myself on a virtual machine. ^.^

Maybe I always thought it was a strictly sever OS because of its connections with Red Hat Linux...

QuoteBTW, it just won't stop.... @.@

http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20080328090328998

True that...

QuoteI do have to say, now, that Fedora has her butt kicked by Freespire...  (Fedora doesn't recognize my rtl8187 wifi card, and Freespire autoconfigs it from a liveCD )

QuoteThen again,... Freespire's onee-san is also sleeping with some pretty bad company...

Hmmm...never thought about trying any of the Windows wannabe distros...mostly cause, when using Linux, I want to get as far away from Windows as possible :P

QuoteHEHE... I have now (here comes a list... )

*Freespire LiveCD
*Mandriva 2008 LiveCD
*PCLOS LiveCD
*RIP Linux LiveCD
*DSL LiveCD
*Linux System Rescue (live-)CD
*Ubuntu LiveCD
*ClusterKNOPPIX LiveCD
*Fedora LiveCD and Install DVD

9 Different Distro's

Ooooh...let me see...since last spring, I have tried...

-Partition Magic (which is a partitioning CD)
-Puppy Linux
-BareBones Puppy Linux, though this was accidental and quite scary O__o
-Zenwalk (I have the Live and install CD)
-SAM 2007
-Ubuntu 7.10
-gOS

So, I'm at 7, 6 if you count the two Puppy Linuxes as the same, and 5 if you don't count Partition Magic :P

But there's so much choice.....

*unnnnnggggg*

I WANN'EM ALL!!! :D

Okay, so I gave PCLOS a try and I liked it, so I installed it in my VM. I was a bit bugged by the small resolution of the screen, so I try changing it from its original setting to a larger one (I forget exactly which one). Anyhow, when I rebooted, X Window System wouldn't start; the bootscreen was verbose, and at the login I got a command line. Upon trying again, the same thing happened...

Yes, I think I screwed something up ^////^

Wait, is that vanilla PCLOS, MiniME or EeePCLOS?  :)

Well this works on all three, but just wondering either way since EeePCLOS is designed for smaller resolutions (800x480, naturally).  ;D

When you're in the login prompt in the command line, type "guest" as your login name, then "guest" again as your password.

Once you're logged in as guest, type "pcc" to bring up the command line version of the PCLinuxOS Control Center.

When it prompts you for your password, type "root".

From there, you'll be able to remodify your Display settings.  

Select Display, then play around with the driver as well as the screen resolution settings. You'll be able to test this if you want on the spot.  If you get something that displays properly on Test, then you can save and restart your VM.  

If you still have problems, consider switching to Xorg>Vesa as your display driver.  Not the best solution, but it will always work.  :)

*Smokey tries not to laugh, but is happy with the way a LiveDistro "forgets" everything on a reboot...* :D

Wah?  @0@

It is true that the run-of-the-mill LiveCD saves stuff on the RAMdisk so it won't carryover to the next session.

But certain distros (e.g., PCLOS, Ubuntu, Puppy) can be given Persistence (either through a separate partition or a special loop image), so they can remember all your changes and settings while still remaining as a Live environment.  ^^

didn't know that... i knew you can acces the drives and format/partition them or acces stuff thats on them...

Oooh my friend,... in that case you've just scratched the surface of all the groovy stuff you can do with LiveCDs.  ^.^

In any event, to build persistence, check out some of the guides shown here:

http://www.pendrivelinux.com/

My distribution,... EeePCLOS... relies on LiveUSB w/persitence, so our installer does that much more easily.  ^__^

ooh nice, more knowledge... :D

And in th meantime, i found a cat cosplaying you, C-Chan... :D

Haha...a cat cosplaying C-Chan! Now I've seen everything :P

QuoteWait, is that vanilla PCLOS, MiniME or EeePCLOS?

Well this works on all three, but just wondering either way since EeePCLOS is designed for smaller resolutions (800x480, naturally). ;D

When you're in the login prompt in the command line, type "guest" as your login name, then "guest" again as your password.

Once you're logged in as guest, type "pcc" to bring up the command line version of the PCLinuxOS Control Center.

When it prompts you for your password, type "root".

From there, you'll be able to remodify your Display settings.

Select Display, then play around with the driver as well as the screen resolution settings. You'll be able to test this if you want on the spot. If you get something that displays properly on Test, then you can save and restart your VM.

If you still have problems, consider switching to Xorg>Vesa as your display driver. Not the best solution, but it will always work.

It's just PCLOS. But I followed what you said, and I got my GUI back. I also played around with the settings a bit, and got a bigger screen resolution. Thanks.

I'm liking PCLOS. Right off the bat it reminded me a lot of SAM (duh). It's a bit slower than other distros I've tried in my VM, but I suppose this could be because KDE is a little heavier than GNOME and Xfce, right? Anyhow, I'm writing from it right now, and I posted my screenshot in the screenshots thread  ;010

QuoteIt is true that the run-of-the-mill LiveCD saves stuff on the RAMdisk so it won't carryover to the next session.

But certain distros (e.g., PCLOS, Ubuntu, Puppy) can be given Persistence (either through a separate partition or a special loop image), so they can remember all your changes and settings while still remaining as a Live environment. ^^

This I didn't know, either...

QuoteIn any event, to build persistence, check out some of the guides shown here:

http://www.pendrivelinux.com/

My distribution,... EeePCLOS... relies on LiveUSB w/persitence, so our installer does that much more easily. ^__^

Ooooh, so EeePCLOS could act as a pen drive distro, too...?

DSL can, too... (basically a lot of distro's that fit on a USB-drive can be installed on one, i guess)

QuoteAnd in th meantime, i found a cat cosplaying you, C-Chan...

Oh,... where's my "LOLZ" when I need it.... ^^'

*trucks arrives with new shipment of "LOL"'s*

FINALLY!  Just in the nick of time!  ^v^

*LOLZ!!!*

QuoteIt's just PCLOS. But I followed what you said, and I got my GUI back. I also played around with the settings a bit, and got a bigger screen resolution. Thanks.

Anytime.  ^.^
The one benefit to PCLOS is that I can at least offer a little better technical support with it.  ^___^

QuoteI'm liking PCLOS. Right off the bat it reminded me a lot of SAM (duh). It's a bit slower than other distros I've tried in my VM, but I suppose this could be because KDE is a little heavier than GNOME and Xfce, right? Anyhow, I'm writing from it right now, and I posted my screenshot in the screenshots thread  

Well true that in that KDE 3.5 is generally more RAM-intensive than Gnome, and certainly XFCE.  However, it has been my observation that PCLOS and Windows Virtualboxes don't mix, as performance is generally far worse on it than if run on its own.  Especially on old hardware, KDE or not, it runs much snappier than Ubuntu even (although Debian still bests the two in terms of boot-up and performance).

It might be RAM issue, though, so you might want to give MiniME 2008 a try.  It's blazing fast (because it's a barebones system) and will give you a taste of what PCLOS 2008 will look like.  (with a newer kernel and updated drivers, it definitely makes PCLOS 2007 seem outdated... ^^')

QuoteThis I didn't know, either...

Unfortunately I didn't know enough about this earlier myself, or else this would've been perfect that one time you tried installed SAM-chan onto your external hard drive.  ^^'

But as they say:  "Now you know,.... and knowing is half the battle"  ^_______^;

QuoteOoooh, so EeePCLOS could act as a pen drive distro, too...?

But of course, milady!  ^V^

In fact, the new EeePCLOS Compressed Installer (which I modified quite a bit) is based on a new LiveUSB maker still in progress, so it does have LiveUSB-making capabilities.

If you're interested... (although do so only AFTER you've tried MiniME '08, so I can see if it detects your hardware better), I have a bunch of tutorials I wrote that I can share with you.  ^___^

QuoteDSL can, too... (basically a lot of distro's that fit on a USB-drive can be installed on one, i guess)

Yeah, basically a LiveUSB is just a flash drive containing the contents of a LiveCD, and assigned a bootflag.  It also needs a bootloader of some sort,... either using GRUB (which is what EeePCLOS uses), or by replacing isolinux.cfg with syslinux.cfg and formatting the drive accordingly.

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Interesting article.... ^___~

http://blog.epicedits.com/2008/03/28/60-of-photoshop-users-are-pirates/

QuoteWell true that in that KDE 3.5 is generally more RAM-intensive than Gnome, and certainly XFCE. However, it has been my observation that PCLOS and Windows Virtualboxes don't mix, as performance is generally far worse on it than if run on its own. Especially on old hardware, KDE or not, it runs much snappier than Ubuntu even (although Debian still bests the two in terms of boot-up and performance).

Well, K8 only has a measly 512 MB of RAM...and about half is going to the VM, so that's understandable...

QuoteIt might be RAM issue, though, so you might want to give MiniME 2008 a try. It's blazing fast (because it's a barebones system) and will give you a taste of what PCLOS 2008 will look like. (with a newer kernel and updated drivers, it definitely makes PCLOS 2007 seem outdated... ^^')

I thought MiniMe was a bit more difficult to work with, though?

QuoteUnfortunately I didn't know enough about this earlier myself, or else this would've been perfect that one time you tried installed SAM-chan onto your external hard drive. ^^'

But as they say: "Now you know,.... and knowing is half the battle" ^_______^;

QuoteBut of course, milady! ^V^

In fact, the new EeePCLOS Compressed Installer (which I modified quite a bit) is based on a new LiveUSB maker still in progress, so it does have LiveUSB-making capabilities.

If you're interested... (although do so only AFTER you've tried MiniME '08, so I can see if it detects your hardware better), I have a bunch of tutorials I wrote that I can share with you. ^___^

Interesting...I have a pen drive that's been lying around (and just being used for transferring files and stuff) so maybe I'll try installing a distro on it. Again. :P

QuoteInteresting article.... ^___~

http://blog.epicedits.com/2008/03/28/60-of-photoshop-users-are-pirates/

Yup, that sounds 'bout right...

If I am not mistaken, and MiniMe is the standard LiveCD edition of PCLOS, then it isn't so hard to work with...
In fact i'd say it is more user-friendly than Fedora...
(Fedora looks and feels smooth, but i think i'll replace her with someone who can handle my wifi card, on the fly...

*drops in quickly*

Well point of fact,... MiniME '08 is only difficult to use as far as the fact that it's essentially a bare-bones version of the PCLinuxOS livecd.

That's almost like saying that an N-lited barebones version of Windows XP is more difficult to use than a prebundled version of it -- which MIGHT be true if you don't know what you need/want to install in the system.

But in the case of PCLOS, almost the entirety of the base install is already available in MiniME, and (once uncompressed) can be fit into a 1.5GB footprint.  

After that, it's simply a matter of adding in programs you want from the repos (e.g., Open Office, Mozilla Firefox, Kaffeine, Pidgin, Inkscape,etc), as well as extra KDE functions that might have been stripped away to make the system barebones (e.g., xscreensavers, Kdeartwork, wallpapers, cursor themes, integrated KDE audio conversion and ark compression plugins, media codecs, etc).

In short, MiniME allows you to build your ideal system from scratch, so it's ease is directly proportional to your love and patience for "lego-like" systems.  :P

*slips back out again*

Well, I'm still not sure with what i should replace Fedora, yet...
Might as well be Freespire...

*stands in deep thought*

At times like this, a little "spin the bottle" never hurts.  :P

Meanwhile...Check who's copying ASUS...

http://www.belinea.com/en/s_line/lineview_tagline.jsp?node=652

Actually, it looks a lot more like the cloudbook.  :P

Besides, it doesn't look like it's gonna sell cheap and it doesn't have Linux (they recommend Vista right off the bat  @___@ ), so it only looks like all the countless arm-and-a-leg EXPENSIVE UMPCs that came LONG before the beautiful Asus EeePC.  ^_____^'

It's one of those instances where you don't get what you pay for.  -v-;

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PS:  This is painful to post, cause this is as funny as I am demure (hint: not very)....

http://sonoftheclayr.info/?a=view&id=27

...but with a lot more polish, it could've made for a cool April Fool's.  ^^'

QuotePS: This is painful to post, cause this is as funny as I am demure (hint: not very)....

http://sonoftheclayr.info/?a=view&id=27

...but with a lot more polish, it could've made for a cool April Fool's. ^^'

I facepalm'd.
Twice.
And Hard.

My hand hurts now, uguu~ ;_;

QuotePS: This is painful to post, cause this is as funny as I am demure (hint: not very)....

http://sonoftheclayr.info/?a=view&id=27

...but with a lot more polish, it could've made for a cool April Fool's. ^^'

The server timed out on me... :(

QuotePS: This is painful to post, cause this is as funny as I am demure (hint: not very)....

http://sonoftheclayr.info/?a=view&id=27

...but with a lot more polish, it could've made for a cool April Fool's. ^^'

Hawhaw XD

Yeah, that really could have been better...

In other news, yesterday Ubuntu had what I like to call a "rare Unix moment"...on bootup, it did a file system check...yay! My first fsck!  

...wait, that didn't sound right....;026

QuoteIn other news, yesterday Ubuntu had what I like to call a "rare Unix moment"...on bootup, it did a file system check...yay! My first fsck!

Fufufu... Bella-san got some yesterday.  ^__________^
No but seriously,... I remember when I used to get those too back when I thought having a giant FAT32 home partition was a good idea.  ^.^
That's another reason why you don't need to defrag a Linux system -- the drives that CAN get fragmented are checked regularly (unless you specifically tell it not too).  ^__~

In other news,....

EXTRA EXTRA!!! READ ALL ABOUT IT!!!!

LINUX SAVES XP!!!!  ^__^

http://www.desktoplinux.com/news/NS5398830397.html

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Or not.....? O___o

http://www.networkworld.com/community/node/26569

Bink lroken. -.-

No it's not... :D

But worrying news, though...

Now it works...didn't before ^_^ Server down I guess.
On the other hand, XP SP3 DO WANT.
(just a bit scared of all the shit they might put into it, like DRM and crap >_> )

I update as little as possible.....
(bit paranoid too... )

QuoteFufufu... Bella-san got some yesterday. ^__________^
No but seriously,... I remember when I used to get those too back when I thought having a giant FAT32 home partition was a good idea. ^.^
That's another reason why you don't need to defrag a Linux system -- the drives that CAN get fragmented are checked regularly (unless you specifically tell it not too). ^__~

So they can get fragmented? I didn't know that. Though it all depends on the filesystem, I guess...

QuoteIn other news,....

EXTRA EXTRA!!! READ ALL ABOUT IT!!!!

LINUX SAVES XP!!!! ^__^

http://www.desktoplinux.com/news/NS5398830397.html

Why am I wanting to do a comic where Linux-sama saves XP-san's life @__@

QuoteOr not.....? O___o

http://www.networkworld.com/community/node/26569

Or not :P

But seriously, I've been mulling it over about buying an XP installation disk...just in case I either, sometime down the line:
a) get a gBook or something and want to install it
or
b) buy a Mac, get sentimental for XP, and virtualize it

QuoteNow it works...didn't before  Server down I guess.
On the other hand, XP SP3 DO WANT.
(just a bit scared of all the shit they might put into it, like DRM and crap >

Yeah, this is the reason why I'd be a bit scared to buy an XP SP3 installation disk : \

QuoteI update as little as possible.....
(bit paranoid too... )

I don't even update at all...

Quote from: "Bella"So they can get fragmented? I didn't know that. Though it all depends on the filesystem, I guess...

All HDD's that have regular read/write actions, fragment...

Hi all!  Stopping by for a quick visit,... planning on something a little more permanent tomorrow.  ^^

QuoteSo they can get fragmented? I didn't know that. Though it all depends on the filesystem, I guess...

Sou sou... ^.^
You remember a while ago I sent you the link that illustrates the difference between linear and journaled file systems.  On a USB stick, it's generally not a problem at all keeping it as FAT32, since you're not going to write frequently to it as you would do when running a full-fledged OS with lots of background services.  (aside from the fact it increases compatiblity).

QuoteYeah, this is the reason why I'd be a bit scared to buy an XP SP3 installation disk : \

Yeah, if you ask me, I'd much rather work with SP1 installation disks.  I'm more comfortable with its no-frills, hands-off approach.  :P

(and yeah, I can say that now cause I've had to fix quite a few Win boxes lately...  ^^')

In other news, it seems SCO's dream to continue to be a pain in the ass have failed... for now.... so guess she'll have to keep those bandages until her "benefactors" find some other way to keep her in court....  ^_______^

http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20080405090444387

QuoteSou sou... ^.^
You remember a while ago I sent you the link that illustrates the difference between linear and journaled file systems. On a USB stick, it's generally not a problem at all keeping it as FAT32, since you're not going to write frequently to it as you would do when running a full-fledged OS with lots of background services. (aside from the fact it increases compatiblity).

Oh yeah, I remember that article...

QuoteYeah, if you ask me, I'd much rather work with SP1 installation disks. I'm more comfortable with its no-frills, hands-off approach. :P

If I recall correctly, under add/remove programs there's an option to uninstall SP2; I haven't tried uninstalling it, though...: \

QuoteIn other news, it seems SCO's dream to continue to be a pain in the ass have failed... for now.... so guess she'll have to keep those bandages until her "benefactors" find some other way to keep her in court.... ^_______^

http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20080405090444387

It just never ends O____o

of course it'll never end...That's a good thing :D

Yo all!  I'm back for visitation again.  ^__^

There's a new UMPC in the market....

http://www.portal.itproportal.com/articles/2008/04/09/hp-2133-mini-laptop-challenges-asuss-eee-pc/

But for the price and the size, it's not really THAT competitive to be honest.  Plus I promised myself I'd never look at HP again....  T__T

....

...And that's OpenSUSE.. T______T

........

Also uses a VIA chip, but at least they seem to have gotten the message...

http://www.linux-watch.com/news/NS3589706949.html

...granted I'm getting a feeling of deja vu, this is absolutely pivotal if they want to stay even marginally competitive with Intel's new Atom processors.  

Hopefully that means I can finally get 3D acceleration working properly in VIA machines.  ^^

Hmmmm, for some reason i have no problems at all with gaming on my machine...
Then again i do have nVidia... :D

So do I.  Ironically, Nvidia offers very good support for Linux, with ATI still playing catch-up despite its prior commitments.  Nothing beats Intel Integrated, though, in terms of shear stability -- in fact, my next baby will have an integrated chip...  :)

http://us.shuttle.com/kpc/index.htm

VIA, though, has a LOOOOOOOOONG ways to go....
Probably the reason why Everex chose Intel for its latest flagship product:

http://www.slashgear.com/everex-myminipc-with-gos-space-29-and-myspace-apps-they-have-truly-taken-the-budget-pc-to-a-whole-new-level-0711064.php

QuoteYo all! I'm back for visitation again. ^__^

There's a new UMPC in the market....

http://www.portal.itproportal.com/articles/2008/04/09/hp-2133-mini-laptop-challenges-asuss-eee-pc/

But for the price and the size, it's not really THAT competitive to be honest. Plus I promised myself I'd never look at HP again.... T__T

....

...And that's OpenSUSE.. T______T

........

Also uses a VIA chip, but at least they seem to have gotten the message...

We have an HP hater in the house, huh?

Bah, I think I'm done with just about every major hardware manufacturer; at this point, the only companies I'd think about buying from is Apple or Everex. :P

Quotehttp://www.linux-watch.com/news/NS3589706949.html

...granted I'm getting a feeling of deja vu, this is absolutely pivotal if they want to stay even marginally competitive with Intel's new Atom processors.

Hopefully that means I can finally get 3D acceleration working properly in VIA machines. ^^

Hmmm...so they're doing this so that there can be more driver compatibility...?

QuoteSo do I. Ironically, Nvidia offers very good support for Linux, with ATI still playing catch-up despite its prior commitments. Nothing beats Intel Integrated, though, in terms of shear stability -- in fact, my next baby will have an integrated chip...

http://us.shuttle.com/kpc/index.htm

I never had a single problem with any Linux distros, and K8 uses ATI...: /

Awww, those KPCs are so cute ^_^

QuoteVIA, though, has a LOOOOOOOOONG ways to go....
Probably the reason why Everex chose Intel for its latest flagship product:

http://www.slashgear.com/everex-myminipc-with-gos-space-29-and-myspace-apps-they-have-truly-taken-the-budget-pc-to-a-whole-new-level-0711064.php

*continues to drool*

Wow...I have a relative who may be looking for a new computer soon...he just wants it to check his emails and web browse, so I've suggested he look into buying a gBook or gPC...

Or you can buy an old PIII, replace the coolers with silent ones and install Linux...Great for browsing/mailing, heck, a 486DX2 would do the job... :D

QuoteHmmm...so they're doing this so that there can be more driver compatibility...?

Mmmmm-hmmmm, and about time too.  Given Linux can make their crappy processors a bit more respectable (while maintaing the low price point), it only makes sense to support them as it gains more market share.

QuoteI never had a single problem with any Linux distros, and K8 uses ATI...: /

Well you've drawn all the main free BSD sisters AND their mother, so of course you're gonna be graced with "the devil's luck".  ^v^'

QuoteAwww, those KPCs are so cute

I just finished playing with mine!  It is literally about the size of a toaster (maybe yay wider) and very elegant.  It's also a little louder than I thought, but that might be because I got the heftier model (the K4500).  

In all respects I love it........... but only after installing my homebrewed PCLinuxOS install, which works like a charm.  ^____^

Otherwise, the stock OS it comes with (Foresight Linux) sucks.  If they wanted Gnome, then Ubuntu or Fedora Core would've been light years better..... T__T

QuoteWow...I have a relative who may be looking for a new computer soon...he just wants it to check his emails and web browse, so I've suggested he look into buying a gBook or gPC...

It's a shame that the MygPCMini is so expensive relative to its hardware.  It's also a shame I can't recommend a cheap, small KPC,...

Although Foresight is kinda/sorta like Ubuntu, it uses the new experimental Conary package management system, which although technically superior to DEB/RPM doesn't have a cool GUI like Synaptic to manage installations.  Hence it's awkward, unintuitive and in desperate need of further development.  :(

QuoteOr you can buy an old PIII, replace the coolers with silent ones and install Linux...Great for browsing/mailing, heck, a 486DX2 would do the job...

True that, although then again none of those old computers are the size of an internal CDROM drive. :P

For the MygPCMini, you really are paying for the small size and weight premium more than anything.

True... Old PC's weren't built with minituarisation in mind, but it's greener than buying a new one... ;010

QuoteMmmmm-hmmmm, and about time too. Given Linux can make their crappy processors a bit more respectable (while maintaing the low price point), it only makes sense to support them as it gains more market share.

I see...I do know that Linux is notorious for having worse drivers than Boston at rush hour!

*laughs at own joke*

QuoteWell you've drawn all the main free BSD sisters AND their mother, so of course you're gonna be graced with "the devil's luck". ^v^'

Am I...missing something...?

QuoteI just finished playing with mine! It is literally about the size of a toaster (maybe yay wider) and very elegant. It's also a little louder than I thought, but that might be because I got the heftier model (the K4500).

In all respects I love it........... but only after installing my homebrewed PCLinuxOS install, which works like a charm. ^____^

Otherwise, the stock OS it comes with (Foresight Linux) sucks. If they wanted Gnome, then Ubuntu or Fedora Core would've been light years better..... T__T

Oh, to heck with all the technical aspects...what color it it? Lawl.

QuoteIt's a shame that the MygPCMini is so expensive relative to its hardware. It's also a shame I can't recommend a cheap, small KPC,...

Although Foresight is kinda/sorta like Ubuntu, it uses the new experimental Conary package management system, which although technically superior to DEB/RPM doesn't have a cool GUI like Synaptic to manage installations. Hence it's awkward, unintuitive and in desperate need of further development.

So it's not very user-friendly, huh?

QuoteTrue... Old PC's weren't built with minituarisation in mind, but it's greener than buying a new one...

Ah, makes me think of my 1998 Compaq Presario...I'm so used to my laptop (which is quite huge by today's standards, BTW), that using that thing is like playing on a minicomputer or something. The tower's like, a foot and a half tall and at least a 8 inches wide and a foot deep (I think that would be like 45 cm tall, 20 cm wide, and 30 cm deep, if I did my conversions correctly) O__o

THAT makes ME think of my Dell Poweredge witch was a 8unit 19" server casing... (19" wide, about, 2ft high i guess and a good 2ft deep) :D

Now that's huge... ;010
And the noise... :D (about 94Db)
It had 4! 120mm fans wich had never heard of the term silent...


It did keep my room nice and cool, though... :D

Let's also not forget the 2 350W power supply's...
The 16 SIMMs............. Oh and the four processors.......
Oh, yeah... And the six (or was it ten, i got confused with my ProLiant) HDD's... :D

It was a beast and i loved it just because of that...

Wow, that's HUGE o__O

Yeah i know, servers from that age didn't need to be small... ;010

But i like big computers, gives you more space to work... :D

QuoteTrue... Old PC's weren't built with minituarisation in mind, but it's greener than buying a new one...

That reminds me of an old case study I did, analyzing whether washing dishes by hand for a year wasted more or less resources than sticking it into a dishwasher or using disposable plates.  Presumably some of the impacts of washing dishes by hand were in the energy expenditure required to heat the water, and the paper towels needed to dry them -- and presumably this was supposed to have offset the cost of the electricity/resources needed to run/build the dishwasher, as well as the ecological impact of creating paper/styrofoam plates and sending them to a landfill.

But as I....................... kindly pointed out to the drafter,... that's a very anglocentric comparison.  I can wish dishes with cold water just fine, I air dry only, and if I'm feeling like a slob I can reuse the normal plate/cup more times than is sanitarily-recommended.  And no doubt, a huge percentage of the world's population is in the same boat, if they even have access to clean water or plates to begin with.

....

Morale of the story is..... beware He who used to have a Beast in His room that was big enough to stick a corpse in, noisier than a space shuttle launch, and used enough power to light up the Rockefeller tree.  BWAHAHAHA!!!!  ^V^

I kid, I kid.....  ^.^

QuoteOh, to heck with all the technical aspects...what color it it? Lawl.

Any color you want, as long as it's black.  :P

QuoteAh, makes me think of my 1998 Compaq Presario...I'm so used to my laptop (which is quite huge by today's standards, BTW), that using that thing is like playing on a minicomputer or something. The tower's like, a foot and a half tall and at least a 8 inches wide and a foot deep (I think that would be like 45 cm tall, 20 cm wide, and 30 cm deep, if I did my conversions correctly) O__o

かã,ã,,ã,,！！ ^v^

...

Well, I mean for a computer of its era.  ^_____^

My new cutie is 27cm long, 18cm wide, 17cm high.  ^v^

*shows off baby pictures of K4500*

=================================================================

Now for the usual round of visitation links, we have this heart-warmer....

http://www.linuxinsider.com/story/The-OSS-Cure-for-What-Ails-Hospital-IT-62536.html

And I guess THIS would compliment the article quite nicely:

http://www.ondd.org/the-top-100-open-source-software-tools-for-medical-professionals/

And then a review of gOS Space, which if not for the MySpace-centric focus would actually sound kinda feasible.....

http://farbeyondtheedgeofreason.blogspot.com/2008/04/my-review-of-gos-space.html

...wanted to try it in Virtualbox, but alas,... it needs Graphics Acceleration.  ^^'
Probably the reason why it doesn't run on a VIA chip.

Added after 29 minutes:

Oh, and this is worth a read too, given that we're more about stimulating the long-lost art of "People Power", rather than urge people to use this or that system:

http://www.itwire.com/content/view/17646/1103/

QuoteThat reminds me of an old case study I did, analyzing whether washing dishes by hand for a year wasted more or less resources than sticking it into a dishwasher or using disposable plates. Presumably some of the impacts of washing dishes by hand were in the energy expenditure required to heat the water, and the paper towels needed to dry them -- and presumably this was supposed to have offset the cost of the electricity/resources needed to run/build the dishwasher, as well as the ecological impact of creating paper/styrofoam plates and sending them to a landfill.

But as I....................... kindly pointed out to the drafter,... that's a very anglocentric comparison. I can wish dishes with cold water just fine, I air dry only, and if I'm feeling like a slob I can reuse the normal plate/cup more times than is sanitarily-recommended. And no doubt, a huge percentage of the world's population is in the same boat, if they even have access to clean water or plates to begin with.

....

Morale of the story is..... beware He who used to have a Beast in His room that was big enough to stick a corpse in, noisier than a space shuttle launch, and used enough power to light up the Rockefeller tree. BWAHAHAHA!!!! ^V^

I kid, I kid..... ^.^

Just what I kinda thought; an older machine uses a lot more energy than a newer one...that's assuming you still run it on a regular basis, though :P

QuoteAny color you want, as long as it's black. :P

Shucks, I was hoping to hear it was some sort of colorful print one ;)

QuoteWell, I mean for a computer of its era. ^_____^

My new cutie is 27cm long, 18cm wide, 17cm high. ^v^

Makes my Compaq look like a dinosaur...

QuoteNow for the usual round of visitation links, we have this heart-warmer....

http://www.linuxinsider.com/story/The-OSS-Cure-for-What-Ails-Hospital-IT-62536.html

And I guess THIS would compliment the article quite nicely:

http://www.ondd.org/the-top-100-open-source-software-tools-for-medical-professionals/

Wow...so they're using open source more in hospitals...

QuoteAnd then a review of gOS Space, which if not for the MySpace-centric focus would actually sound kinda feasible.....

http://farbeyondtheedgeofreason.blogspot.com/2008/04/my-review-of-gos-space.html

...wanted to try it in Virtualbox, but alas,... it needs Graphics Acceleration. ^^'
Probably the reason why it doesn't run on a VIA chip.

That's just...gorgeous...@__@

But it needs graphics acceleration? Is that due to Compiz?

QuoteOh, and this is worth a read too, given that we're more about stimulating the long-lost art of "People Power", rather than urge people to use this or that system:

http://www.itwire.com/content/view/17646/1103/

Humph...was there always such a fuss when M$ introduced a new OS, or is XP really an exceptional case...?

Quote from: "Bella"Just what I kinda thought; an older machine uses a lot more energy than a newer one...that's assuming you still run it on a regular basis, though :P

Hang on a minute.....
Now if i'm not mistaken, those ooold processors, though energy inefficient perhaps, do use less power to operate since there are far less transistors to guzzle up electricity...
Plus, browsing/mailing can be done on a 2MB VGA card wich, too uses less power to run than modern day (integrated) GPU's... (I'll assume that the power hungry performance cards -like the 72Watt Gf8800 - aren't going to be used but still onboard "simple" gfx-solutions are powerhouses compared to a truly simple SIS s3 PCI 2MB videocard)

Oh, and here's the fun part... If you take a PI, you can stick a nice and big Athlon/early PIV cooler on it and remove the fan so it's noiseless and powersaving, and it'll still keep the processor cool... (if Linux'll work on a 486DX2/66 it won't need any cooler ;010)

And, if you still don't believe that an old PC can be tought to take little nips of electricity, consider this: You can give them a 135W powersupply and they'll have power to spare, as opposed to my PC, wich refuses to start with anything less than a 350W powersupply :D


It's hardly noticeable that i like old pc's, is it :D

QuoteJust what I kinda thought; an older machine uses a lot more energy than a newer one...that's assuming you still run it on a regular basis, though :P

Well actually,... not really what I meant.  The morale of my convoluted story is actually that energy savings is a very complex affair, dependent on many factors beyond anyone's immediate scope, and not clear-cut enough to be judged by anything beyond a case-by-case basis.  Some older computers can be less efficient than newer ones, vice-versa, and as Smokey-san said, some tweaking can be done to reverse the odds -- especially since improper disposal of either one is a FAR more damaging scenario.  @__@

I believe there's a debate on ethanol use that has similar undertones, but alas,... we're a computer club.  ^___^

QuoteShucks, I was hoping to hear it was some sort of colorful print one

Well in fairness, you CAN put your picture in the front of the unit.  But that's left for you to do -- I think they provide Kover artwork, but not free.  :P

QuoteThat's just...gorgeous...@__@

But it needs graphics acceleration? Is that due to Compiz?

Yepper.  ^^
Heard some minor complaints that the extra hardware requirements (between mandatory CF and Gnome) closes the door to older hardware, which run gOS 1.0 and 2.0 just fine.  All things considered, I would have to agree -- but at least the gOS guys were nice enough to warn that the distro may not operate properly in any other computer besides the MygPCMini.

QuoteIt's hardly noticeable that i like old pc's, is it

Naaaaaaaaaaaaah,... news to me....  :P
I'm still waiting for you to pick up a 68K Amiga any day now.  You do that, and I'll worship you like a GAWD........ during my visitations.......  ^^;

Quote from: "C-Chan"

QuoteJust what I kinda thought; an older machine uses a lot more energy than a newer one...that's assuming you still run it on a regular basis, though :P

Well actually,... not really what I meant.  The morale of my convoluted story is actually that energy savings is a very complex affair, dependent on many factors beyond anyone's immediate scope, and not clear-cut enough to be judged by anything beyond a case-by-case basis.  Some older computers can be less efficient than newer ones, vice-versa, and as Smokey-san said, some tweaking can be done to reverse the odds -- especially since improper disposal of either one is a FAR more damaging scenario.  @__@

I believe there's a debate on ethanol use that has similar undertones, but alas,... we're a computer club.  ^___^

Thank you for seeing the point ;010

Quote from: "And"

QuoteIt's hardly noticeable that i like old pc's, is it

Naaaaaaaaaaaaah,... news to me....  :P
I'm still waiting for you to pick up a 68K Amiga any day now.  You do that, and I'll worship you like a GAWD........ during my visitations.......  ^^;

It's goint to be a tough hunt, but worship'll make it worth-while... :D

I should probably brag, though, that my new darling baby girl comes with a 100W power supply, btw, and still purrs like the kitten she is.  ^__^

Ain't she just the cutest, most adorable little honey-bunny you've ever seen?!!  @v@




*sighs*

Wauw! Makes my PC look like a serious, industrial machine... :D (doesn't matter, i like industrial machines...)

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Fufufu.... needs more VAX....  ;D



Seriously, though, what's that blue LED light thing at the very back of the tower?  :)

In other news, how about some FUD huntin'?  :P

http://blog.internetnews.com/skerner/2008/04/free-open-source-software-is-c.html

And to put things into perspective....

http://www.pcadvisor.co.uk/news/index.cfm?newsid=12728

Added after 3 minutes:

And here's something I want to dedicate myself to later on:

http://polishlinux.org/apps/educational-programs-in-gnulinux/

As you can see, the selection is in need of dire expansion.  ^^;

The blue LED is a blue LED-80mm fan... :D

And although i do believe that open-source software can nibble away on closed source software's sales, i wouldn't think that it'd cost that much, plus as explained in the article, and the next one about Dell's laptops, if you're smart, you can actually make money off open sourced software...

QuoteWell actually,... not really what I meant. The morale of my convoluted story is actually that energy savings is a very complex affair, dependent on many factors beyond anyone's immediate scope, and not clear-cut enough to be judged by anything beyond a case-by-case basis. Some older computers can be less efficient than newer ones, vice-versa, and as Smokey-san said, some tweaking can be done to reverse the odds -- especially since improper disposal of either one is a FAR more damaging scenario. @__@

I believe there's a debate on ethanol use that has similar undertones, but alas,... we're a computer club. ^___^

I see what you mean...

QuoteI should probably brag, though, that my new darling baby girl comes with a 100W power supply, btw, and still purrs like the kitten she is. ^__^

Ain't she just the cutest, most adorable little honey-bunny you've ever seen?!! @v@

*gasp* Is that Vista running, though?

Noooooooo!

QuoteFufufu.... needs more VAX.... ;D

VAX is great and all, but...

NEEDS MOAR HONEYWELL/BULL MAINFRAMES!

QuoteIn other news, how about some FUD huntin'? :P

http://blog.internetnews.com/skerner/2008/04/free-open-source-software-is-c.html

And to put things into perspective....

http://www.pcadvisor.co.uk/news/index.cfm?newsid=12728

And here's something I want to dedicate myself to later on:

http://polishlinux.org/apps/educational-programs-in-gnulinux/

As you can see, the selection is in need of dire expansion. ^^;

Well, I can see where open source stuff could be taking away money that would otherwise line big corporations' pockets. But I don't consider that a bad thing.

Like one person commented, "GM being is business is taking money from Ford, too".

I can't believe Dell is actually pushing the Ubuntu laptops...I wonder what they're up to...

And that article about educational Linux programs is really interesting! I didn't know there were that many out there, honestly.

QuoteAnd although i do believe that open-source software can nibble away on closed source software's sales, i wouldn't think that it'd cost that much, plus as explained in the article, and the next one about Dell's laptops, if you're smart, you can actually make money off open sourced software...

I don't think it could be costing them that much, either; I mean, it'd be great if it was, but I just don't see it happening.

Quote from: "Bella"

QuoteI should probably brag, though, that my new darling baby girl comes with a 100W power supply, btw, and still purrs like the kitten she is. ^__^

Ain't she just the cutest, most adorable little honey-bunny you've ever seen?!! @v@

*gasp* Is that Vista running, though?

Noooooooo!

Wow! I didn't notice that... Bad C-chan...bad... :D

Quote from: "And"

QuoteFufufu.... needs more VAX.... ;D

VAX is great and all, but...

NEEDS MOAR HONEYWELL/BULL MAINFRAMES!

Now we're getting Mainframes (built for extreme availability) mixed up with Super-Minicomputers (built for processing power)... That's like comparing apples to iMacs-PEARS, i mean PEARS... :D

Quote*gasp* Is that Vista running, though?

Noooooooo!

QuoteWow! I didn't notice that... Bad C-chan...bad...

...............................................@__@'

Excuse me, I have to go return some dinner I borrowed earlier.  ^___^'

Honestly didn't see that, but too shamed now to say anything.....

Also don't like that my second picture disappeared (probably pulled from the original article, so here's another [this time screend] honey bunny pick.... ^^;



This one's actually the same model that I own.

Well, now that i've taken a closer, better look at it, a question arises in my mind...: Where's the Optical Drive?? I'd assume that it, cute as it may be, should be able to at least handle DVD's...

QuoteNow we're getting Mainframes (built for extreme availability) mixed up with Super-Minicomputers (built for processing power)... That's like comparing apples to iMacs-PEARS, i mean PEARS...

I confess, I was just looking for a way to post a picture of Multics-sama's home :P

QuoteWell, now that i've taken a closer, better look at it, a question arises in my mind...: Where's the Optical Drive?? I'd assume that it, cute as it may be, should be able to at least handle DVD's...

I wondered the same thing! Is it around back, or is it one of those hip "I don't need no stinking CDR drive" computers that have been popping up?

Oh, gawd! a PC without removable media support is like a car without the interior...It works but it aint nice....

What'dya guys sayin' to me?!!  Course it has an optical disk drive!  `v'

See.....?  ^__^



Yeah, but optical disks are SOOOOOO 1990's.  ^.^
Considering that 95% of all my daily files float around digitally, I'm actually happy my incredible-edible Asus EeePC has weened me off their use (beyond backups, of course).  Helps computers be smaller and more portable, and the fact that I use external reader/writers now means I can better deal with worn drives (whereas my old HP laptop is pretty much STUCK with its defunct CD/DVD drive).  ^^;

yeah...
You're right...

It's time for something new...

How's 'bout a 5,25" floppy drive wich is still as noisy, but as fast as SATA2 and has.....say.....120GB platters? ;010

Oh, it should, ofcourse, also have the floppy seek on boot up... :D

BWAHAHA!!! That reminds me of when I helped an older lady shop for some removable media, and I had to resort to describing SD cards as really tiny but HUUUUUUUUUUUUUGE floppy disks.  @v@'

Thankfully, I had... *imitates Gollem's voice* My Precious EeePC at the time to demonstrate.  ^.^;

=========

Speaking of more mini laptops, here's yet another contender, and apparently Canadian too boot!  I think the market flood of UMPC's is going to turn into a deluge at this rate.  ^___^

http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS3441111408.html

OMG!!! They decapitated it!!!!! :D

^ Wait, what's going on there? O__o

It's the new -canadian- laptop c-chan showed me...

Apparently the canadians like to decapitate their computers... :D

(man i have got to stop watching "House", it's making my inner voice sound like him...and he's progressing my bad traits... :D)

Headless jokes aside, I do wonder if a separable monitor will be nifty idea.  If you think about it, it gives you the option of having the UMPC function as an EeePC clone, OR an internet tablet.  :P
(assuming I'm guessing how it works correctly....)

In other news, Ubuntu's REALLY making public headway if it's appearing on the front page of the BBC....  ^___^

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/7358483.stm

And more OOXML goodness for anyone still reeling from the endless, merciless onslaught of stupidity and electoral shenanigans (=oxymoron)....  ^.^;

http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20080421091129596

Quote from: "C-Chan"Headless jokes aside, I do wonder if a separable monitor will be nifty idea.  If you think about it, it gives you the option of having the UMPC function as an EeePC clone, OR an internet tablet.  :P
(assuming I'm guessing how it works correctly....)

So, it's the opposite of how laptops are built? Everything goes in the screen portion and the keyboard/trackpad portion only houses the keyboard/trackpad?

Come to think of it, it's a good idea, but then again, what's stopping the whole thing from falling over when used as a laptop?

I'm sure the makers of the legendary Avro Arrow can think of something clever to keep the whole think from falling apart.  :)

Then again,... there's always duct tape.....  :P

heh, yeah...Ducttape cures all... :D

QuoteHeadless jokes aside, I do wonder if a separable monitor will be nifty idea. If you think about it, it gives you the option of having the UMPC function as an EeePC clone, OR an internet tablet. :P
(assuming I'm guessing how it works correctly....)

Oh, so that's what's going on....

QuoteIn other news, Ubuntu's REALLY making public headway if it's appearing on the front page of the BBC.... ^___^

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/7358483.stm

Woohoo! Ubuntu, FTW!!!

I figured Ubuntu was making headway when the Windows-centric PC Magazine named it the product of the month in one issue and devoted an article to it.

QuoteAnd more OOXML goodness for anyone still reeling from the endless, merciless onslaught of stupidity and electoral shenanigans (=oxymoron).... ^.^;

http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20080421091129596

When's it going to end...

Well i have come to see  stupidity in the following way... As long as there are still boards like /b/ there will still be stupidity and room for human evolution...

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But let's not forget the very, VERY thin line between genius and insanity...

Quote
But let's not forget the very, VERY thin line between genius and insanity...

SPOILER SPOILER SPOILERTAG
Genius = Successful Insanity
Did you all get that? ^^

QuoteWhen's it going to end...

When M$ gets out of business, that's when...
-.-

yeh, or when some idiot nukes the world...then we'd have bigger problems to worry about....

Aliens could invade, too, either mocking our lame technology or warring us...Either way; bigger problems...

"Foolish humans and your primitive computing technology! CPU speeds only up to 4 GHz and RAM only up to a few gigabytes?! Bah! We have computers in the THz range and they are embedded in us, controlled by our thoughts and willpower!"

Resistance is futile!
Behold our awesome game-err-Borg cube!

Oh shi-! they have XBoxes, ruuuuuuuuun! i mean, warp tf outta here!!!

Headless laptop? What kind of benefits would that have? Nonetheless, it is still an interesting concept!

And one more thing...I am Borg...

I am Smokey!!!
6,945,487 extraterrestrial races have tried to assimilate/probe/dissect/study me and they're all extinct... :D

Captain John Picard, the U.S.S. Enterprise.
*goes off humming*

Hey, i see someone walking in...
I know him...
He's called off-topicness... :D

soooooo...

............ yes indeed, time for some links.  `v'

http://www.portal.itproportal.com/articles/2008/03/27/son-c64-and-amiga-could-be-keyboard-asus-success/

....

I was wondering when they'd finally revive those things.  Take out the optical drive and put in the same component as an EeePC, and you'd get a smaller form factor.  ;)

OMG they actually took an idea i once had for my dying lappie (fold it shut and use as PC) and turned it into an actual idea...

removing the screen portion of a "desktop-replacing-laptop" would be better, though... they are flatter and have a built in ups...

Somehow this reminds me awfully much of Gundam Seed. All that's left is for the screen to magically wrap itself into the keyboard-computer itself.

Quotehttp://www.portal.itproportal.com/articles/2008/03/27/son-c64-and-amiga-could-be-keyboard-asus-success/

....

I was wondering when they'd finally revive those things. Take out the optical drive and put in the same component as an EeePC, and you'd get a smaller form factor.

Commodore lives!

That's really neat...it's very reminiscent of the 80s/90s minicomputers. Cool!

QuoteOMG they actually took an idea i once had for my dying lappie (fold it shut and use as PC) and turned it into an actual idea..

Do you mean, the screen went on it and you were just going to hook it up to a monitor, keyboard, mouse, etc?

Quote from: "Bella"Do you mean, the screen went on it and you were just going to hook it up to a monitor, keyboard, mouse, etc?

Yes, the monitor was dead and i didn't want to return it for repairs (i eventually did and they proved my point: it took them half a year and more stuff broke after 3 days), so i thought i'd just use it as a very small, say designer pc... :D

You peoplez....  

I'm back from a very LOOONG hiatus, and aching all over.  @__@

Word from the Wise to all Ye Not Eternally Attached to a Keyboard:  if you ever plan on building a garden pond, be ready to dig up a LOT of dirt.  T_________T;

*C-chan flops on the ground zapped of all energy*

FYI, I've been meaning to drop these links off on Friday, but didn't get the chance...

First, a small article about my belove eComStation-tan and how WONDERFUL her new release is.  ^___^
And anyone who disagrees with that statement shall get his kneecaps busted by a small, angry, black pig.  ^_____________^

http://www.ofb.biz/safari/article/459.html

Then a little morale booster for anyone who had faith in the OLPC project (I didn't), and are not very happy with the latest turn of events:

http://radian.org/notebook/this-too-shall-pass

And then finally another example of why DRM isn't something that can be brushed aside as trivial, especially if you're an honest, law-abiding citizen:

http://blog.wired.com/music/2008/04/microsoft-pulli.html

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In other news, I finished trying Ubuntu 8.04 and am happy to see some much needed refinement (plus the new heron wallpaper is kinda neat).    ^^

Plus I noticed that the Ren'Py Visual Novel game engine is available in their repos -- naturally, I'm clamoring to get the same uploaded to PCLOS as it'd be a  PERFECT chance to make some quick OS-tan inspired educational games.  ^.^

Sounds like you had fun, ne Senpai?

I'm very sorry for not being more trustworthy; I said I'd be around more often and the nigh on dropped off the face of the earth! Gomen nasai.
If it makes me seem less pathetic, my only excuse is history finals. Never was good at history ^^'

Unfortunately I've got an unusually large project with an excruciatingly near deadline at work, so I'll be in and out at best. With any luck I should (hopefully) be able to start popping in more often. Then again, I think I already used up all my luck for the entire year yesterday ^.^'

I must apologize to anyone who's birthday I missed, and even worse, I can't remember who since I forgot to back up iCal when I upgraded to leopard (b4k4 TsuTsu ^^')

Thanks for the links, senpai. I don't read/watch/listen to any news very much, so it's very nice of you to point out the best ones. I especially enjoyed the explination of the Doctrine of Insufficient Adulation Syndrome (http://machinist.salon.com/feature/2008/03/18/true_enough_excerpt_2/index.html). ^v^

And to not be too off-topic, if I had the money and/or time, I would totally do this (http://www.xkcd.com/413/) ^v^

I LOLed... and btw, it's normal to be busy this time of year, with exams and all, heck even i am busy and i'm not even on school anymore...
I do have a detoured application for the army wich requires a lot of work, and i have to move my mum soon plus i am moving myself soon...
It is indeed hard to find the time necesary to post here... :D

Tsubashi-kun, that was one of the better reads I've had lately. Lulz were had, and also seriose tiem moments were good. Keep it up. -w-

LEGO has robot-building functionality now, and you can create some really interesting things with that... ;010

QuoteWord from the Wise to all Ye Not Eternally Attached to a Keyboard: if you ever plan on building a garden pond, be ready to dig up a LOT of dirt. T_________T;

*C-chan flops on the ground zapped of all energy*

That I'll keep in mind.

QuoteFirst, a small article about my belove eComStation-tan and how WONDERFUL her new release is. ^___^
And anyone who disagrees with that statement shall get his kneecaps busted by a small, angry, black pig. ^_____________^

http://www.ofb.biz/safari/article/459.html

Yay, OS/2 lives! Vicariously through eCS!

QuoteAnd then finally another example of why DRM isn't something that can be brushed aside as trivial, especially if you're an honest, law-abiding citizen:

http://blog.wired.com/music/2008/04/microsoft-pulli.html

For cripe's sake, who'd buy music from an M$ run site? I mean...that's asking for trouble.

QuoteIn other news, I finished trying Ubuntu 8.04 and am happy to see some much needed refinement (plus the new heron wallpaper is kinda neat). ^^

Plus I noticed that the Ren'Py Visual Novel game engine is available in their repos -- naturally, I'm clamoring to get the same uploaded to PCLOS as it'd be a PERFECT chance to make some quick OS-tan inspired educational games. ^.^

That's good news...I'll probably try out 8.04 when the stable release comes out.

QuoteI'm very sorry for not being more trustworthy; I said I'd be around more often and the nigh on dropped off the face of the earth! Gomen nasai.
If it makes me seem less pathetic, my only excuse is history finals. Never was good at history ^^'

Hah...the tough subject for me is literature. I love reading, but I'm not so great and the writing part of it (essays, book reports, etc.)

Now, something like physics I'm strangely apt to O___o

QuoteUnfortunately I've got an unusually large project with an excruciatingly near deadline at work, so I'll be in and out at best. With any luck I should (hopefully) be able to start popping in more often. Then again, I think I already used up all my luck for the entire year yesterday ^.^'

I must apologize to anyone who's birthday I missed, and even worse, I can't remember who since I forgot to back up iCal when I upgraded to leopard (b4k4 TsuTsu ^^')

Oh well....I hope you can drop by when you get the chance!

QuoteThanks for the links, senpai. I don't read/watch/listen to any news very much, so it's very nice of you to point out the best ones. I especially enjoyed the explination of the Doctrine of Insufficient Adulation Syndrome. ^v^

Wow, that's a great article...and so true...

QuoteAnd to not be too off-topic, if I had the money and/or time, I would totally do this ^v^

LOL! C-Chan, you gotta do this!

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I have to drop off my own find here...

MULTICS LIVES! Maybe...

http://sourceforge.net/projects/h6180/

The hopes and prayers of Multicians and hard-core vintage OS enthusiasts may soon be answered. They're building a Honeywell DPS-8 emulator; this means one thing, Multics is getting really close to being brought back to life...!

Yeah, that would be a nice adition to the library  (Lie berry, lie! LOL) of emu's i've got... ;010

Oh, btw, physics only requires a bit of interest and a little effort...
It's really cool though, it provides a nice step-stone to quantum physics and quantum mechanics... (this from a guy who wanted to be a quantum physician when he was 9... Most normal people don't even know the term "quantum physics" when they're 9)

QuoteYeah, that would be a nice adition to the library (Lie berry, lie! LOL) of emu's i've got...

Well, this is only going to be available for *nix systems...but I'm really hoping that this'll work and they can do something with that Multics source code.

Perhaps we'll see shell account sites springing up like with the VMS and RSTS hobbyist programs...

QuoteOh, btw, physics only requires a bit of interest and a little effort...
It's really cool though, it provides a nice step-stone to quantum physics and quantum mechanics... (this from a guy who wanted to be a quantum physician when he was 9... Most normal people don't even know the term "quantum physics" when they're 9)

Haha...I remember watching TV shows about parallel universes and theoretical physics and stuff when I was quite young...the whole idea never really bothered me much. I've known people who were like, "oh man that hurts my head just to think about!" But I've thought that sorta stuff makes sense O___o

So, I gave Debian a try. Well, first I downloaded the install CD via a bittorrent; after a failed installation in my VM (it never got past the software install stage, somthing about no swap partition being created), I went back and downloaded the liveCD.

I don't want to jump to conclusions just yet, but....I think this my new favorite distro. As for boot-up and speed in general, it's about on par with Ubuntu; even with the more resource-intensive KDE it runs fine in the virtual machine, and it comes with a great collection of software (I was having fun with the star charting program, as well as the Latin quiz program...haha). Not to mention KDE is really nice looking, too.

In sorta off-topic news...woot! DEC is responsible for the first spam mail:

http://tech.yahoo.com/blogs/patterson/18084/spam-turning-30-this-month-no-gifts-please/

I just couldn't pass up posting this, even if it is from Yahoo news. Lawl.

Well, Ubuntu is a Debian based Linux... I like that one...

Freespire is Debian based too, and i like that one too...

Wow, a rare Tsubashi-dono sighting.  ^^'

QuoteAnd to not be too off-topic, if I had the money and/or time, I would totally do this ^v^

Heck ya!  I've been meaning to make my baby girl more,.... "pet like".  ^.^

*grabs hamster ball and duct tape*

QuoteI have to drop off my own find here...

MULTICS LIVES! Maybe...

http://sourceforge.net/projects/h6180/

The hopes and prayers of Multicians and hard-core vintage OS enthusiasts may soon be answered. They're building a Honeywell DPS-8 emulator; this means one thing, Multics is getting really close to being brought back to life...!

Fufufu!!  This must've been really good news for you, Bella-sama.  With all the knowledge you've accumulated, you're practically a Multician in everything but trade!  ^.^

QuoteSo, I gave Debian a try. Well, first I downloaded the install CD via a bittorrent; after a failed installation in my VM (it never got past the software install stage, somthing about no swap partition being created), I went back and downloaded the liveCD.

For some odd reason, install CDs are a tad more problematic than live ones.  Seems strange, but I reckon it's due to the limited number of drivers loaded for the temporary install environment.  Since live environments require more love and care, they load more drivers that actually get things up and running.  ^^'

QuoteI don't want to jump to conclusions just yet, but....I think this my new favorite distro. As for boot-up and speed in general, it's about on par with Ubuntu; even with the more resource-intensive KDE it runs fine in the virtual machine, and it comes with a great collection of software (I was having fun with the star charting program, as well as the Latin quiz program...haha). Not to mention KDE is really nice looking, too.

Hmmm,... well it is true that the Debian I tried was running on XFCE or Gnome, but could've sworn it was a little faster.  

But hey! Ya gotz a fast KDE system in your VM, so can't be all bad.  ^-^

Plus technically-speaking, the Debian repositories are a lot larger than the Ubuntu ones, so there's bound to be no shortage of fun applications to play with.  ^__~

Now we know Bella-sama has gone hardcore if she starts using Debian!  ^.^

QuoteIn sorta off-topic news...woot! DEC is responsible for the first spam mail:

http://tech.yahoo.com/blogs/patterson/18084/spam-turning-30-this-month-no-gifts-please/

I just couldn't pass up posting this, even if it is from Yahoo news. Lawl.

Yep,... no wonder all the Berkley people were so happy to kick all the DECs, out once UNIX-sama arrived.  ^_________^

QuoteWell, Ubuntu is a Debian based Linux... I like that one...

Freespire is Debian based too, and i like that one too...

And I love Dreamlinux and MEPIS,... i wonder what those two are based on?  Hmmmm..... ^3^

Hey DreamLinux is Brazilian...cool... :D

As of yesterday (or something, I dunno, but something like that),Windows XP SP3 (http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=68c48dad-bc34-40be-8d85-6bb4f56f5110&displaylang=en) is available for download and automatic updates for anyone using Windows XP with SP1 or above. Cumulative and stuff.
This Capulet is downloading it right now with hijinks, so I'll see what happens when my computer restarts, or something.
Anyone else tried it, or have thoughts?

No, I don't trust M$ anymore...

QuoteFufufu!! This must've been really good news for you, Bella-sama. With all the knowledge you've accumulated, you're practically a Multician in everything but trade! ^.^

I believe they call that a Multicial Theorist :P

But really, I see myself as something of a palentologist when it comes to old OSs. Sure, I love researching them, reading about their history and contributions to our modern OSs... I can't say I'd want to work with them, though :P

Worse. Medaphor. Ever.

QuoteFor some odd reason, install CDs are a tad more problematic than live ones. Seems strange, but I reckon it's due to the limited number of drivers loaded for the temporary install environment. Since live environments require more love and care, they load more drivers that actually get things up and running. ^^'

I know the Zenwalk LiveCD never worked on the VM, but the install CD did.

QuoteHmmm,... well it is true that the Debian I tried was running on XFCE or Gnome, but could've sworn it was a little faster.

But hey! Ya gotz a fast KDE system in your VM, so can't be all bad. ^-^

Plus technically-speaking, the Debian repositories are a lot larger than the Ubuntu ones, so there's bound to be no shortage of fun applications to play with. ^__~

Now we know Bella-sama has gone hardcore if she starts using Debian! ^.^

Hawhawhaw...but really, it does seem that Debian has more pre-installed applications than Ubuntu (not that that matters too much, what with the package managers and all).

QuoteYep,... no wonder all the Berkley people were so happy to kick all the DECs, out once UNIX-sama arrived. ^_________^

Still trying to think of how I can work a "spam" reference into the DEC-tan's backstory XD

QuoteAnd I love Dreamlinux and MEPIS,... i wonder what those two are based on? Hmmmm..... ^3^

Who wouldn't love DreamLinux! It's like OS X, without all the rabid fanboys! XD

QuoteAs of yesterday (or something, I dunno, but something like that),Windows XP SP3 is available for download and automatic updates for anyone using Windows XP with SP1 or above. Cumulative and stuff.
This Capulet is downloading it right now with hijinks, so I'll see what happens when my computer restarts, or something.
Anyone else tried it, or have thoughts?

I ain't going near that, no sir. O__O

^This is likely just a rumor, but I've heard that XP SP3 would be badly-done on purpose as a ploy to get even more people to switch to Vista T__T

It's probably packed full of "ooh-i'm-gonna-tell-M$-what-you're-doing-onyour-pc-stuff", so i'll stick to sp2... :D

Funny, I was under the impression that SP3 had already been out for a while (since the IT guys at work made me update) but apparently those were public betas ^.^

QuoteIt's probably packed full of "ooh-i'm-gonna-tell-M$-what-you're-doing-onyour-pc-stuff", so i'll stick to sp2

Doesn't windows update do that already?[/sacasm ^v^]

But I think the PC World article sums it up best

Quote from: "PC World"More dubious is the [new] Windows Product Activation update, which makes the XP installation process more Vista-like. This means you’ll no longer be forced to input your Windows product activation key during installation (although you’ll still have to do so within 30 days or your OS will stop working).

However, it also means Windows XP will be tracking your hardware configuration in much the same way that Vista does, which could lead to your computer being disabled in the event that you change out fundamental components such as your motherboard or processor.

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All in all I think it's quite the anticlimactic "Final Service Pack!" Some Bug fixes and networks tweaks, not much you notice unless you are looking for it ^-^

And that's why i don't want sp3, i mean what sick bastard would think of such a thing, disabling your HARDWARE when you put in a new processor?!?! Great so no-one can ever upgrade his p.c. anymore, thanks microshitheads, you just pissed off the entire hardware-market...

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And i do hope you (M$) read this, because you do really suck and i would assume that you're capable of spying in on internet-traffic of your customers -oh sorry i meant slaves...

I so hope you go bankrupt, M$, do me a favor and make it quick...

This is planned obsolescence at it's most insidious. If you think about it...it's really a very sly move. Making the OS less tolerant to hardware upgrades, and thus shortening the lifespan of the computer, making a switch to a new machine inevitable...I dunno if I'd want to buy XP SP3 install disks...oh well. I guess XP is going to die with my computers -___-

Oh wau, Smokey...that's some M$ bashing, there. You make me seem like a M$ hugging Windows fangirl. XD

Well, i've tolerated a lot of dastardly trickf from them but this is where i draw the line; NO-ONE TOUCHES MY HARDWARE!!!

It's just too bad that the gaming industry doesn't see how evil M$ is and that they don't start incorporating Linux compatibility in their games, because that would cost M$ thousands, if not millions of customers...

That would show them, and the gaming industry wouldn't be phased at all, since they can still sell their games...

The problem, of course, would be that the target market of linux gamers is diminutively small in comparison, and few, if any, wants to go through the trouble of fixing up a new partition or computer for the sole reason of using linux.

No longer allowing for you to be able to upgrade components of your computer is one of the stupidest things ever! ;030

Wordth.

And there we have my point; IF a gamer (especially hardcore gamers) would have to choose between not upgrading their pc or creating an extra partition, i would think they'd gladly make that extra partition...

But then again, then there's the crowd of not-so-l33t gamers who don't even know what a partition IS...

Well if they can install WindBlows, they can install Linux, I've seen Linux installers being more automated and user friendly than MacroSucks ones...
Plus if you add all the rebooting Wimpdoze does for fun, how bad is a Linux install then?

God sp3 pissed me off...

I think a lot of people just get used to what they're using, and don't give much thought to what commercial implications it may have...and they don't want to take the time to install and learn to use a new system.

Like Nejin said...not-so-l33t gamers probably outnumber the tech savy ones 10 to 1 ;)

Thousands of ppl out there can't install Windblows either, they have a computer store or a friend do that for them...
And i'm sure that ppl in a caomputer store know how to install Linux...

So that shouldn't be a problem....

NOOOOOOOO!!! My response!!!!  My beautiful, masterpiece-like response, full of "Epic" and "Win" and stuff!  ^0^

....

*C-chan mopes*

Awww well,... at least Smokey and Nejin might've seen it before it vanished....  ;__;

Probably best to repost this article:

http://itmanagement.earthweb.com/osrc/article.php/3745266

Yes, I've seen the post, and it was indeed a good one...
I had to repost the post above you, too...

Oh, well...At least the forum still works...

You wanna know what happened to our posts? Steve Ballmer f*#king killedâ,,¢ them! (http://uncyclopedia.org/wiki/Steve_Ballmer)


But really, that was an interesting article. Very well put; open source itself doesn't really interest consumers, they have to explain how it can benefit them. An article I found on the same site:

http://itmanagement.earthweb.com/entdev/article.php/3744946/When+XP+Expires+does+Desktop+Linux+Shine?.htm

XP to Linux: Avenge me!

What's going on in here? Something about vanishing posts? Hmm, strange. Especially how posts in an anti-vista topic would vanish. Ah well.

Anyway, I may not make as many trips to this topic as I used to, mostly because of the fact that I'm not against vista.  Having been swayed by my laptop that currentlty runs vista. My only regret is that I have Mario is Missing (Pc edition) and I can't play it because vista doesn't support full-screen dos applications. But all my other programs still run fine. Things like CDI emulator and RPGMaker XP still run in compatibility mode for XP SP2.

We were completely thrashing, bashing, and taking a dump on Service pack 3 for XP, and M$ in general because of said SP3...

Vista is safe, i at least think it's just another new windblows with more eyecandy (no reason for me to switch over as i like the sleek and business-like XP), wich will eventually suffer the same cruel fate as XP is now...

QuoteYou wanna know what happened to our posts? Steve Ballmer f*#king killedâ,,¢ them!

Oh yeah,... I remember you posted something about that too.  ^.^'

QuoteBut really, that was an interesting article. Very well put; open source itself doesn't really interest consumers, they have to explain how it can benefit them. An article I found on the same site:

http://itmanagement.earthweb.com/entdev/article.php/3744946/When+XP+Expires+does+Desktop+Linux+Shine?.htm

XP to Linux: Avenge me!

I saw that too, but thought there were already too many articles like that to post.  ^^
Does help explain why M$ is in deep with SUSE, Xandros and Linspire,... call it "hedging their bets".  ^___^'

QuoteMy only regret is that I have Mario is Missing (Pc edition) and I can't play it because vista doesn't support full-screen dos applications.

See if DOSBox works in your system.  I used DOSBox to play some really nostalgia-inducing DOS games in Linux, including Heroes of Might and Magic I and an older version of Battle Chess.  

Also managed to run RPGMaker XP in Wine, although it did function better in Virtualbox.  
I'm wondering if the fact that we were both interested in the same obscure game tool program might have something to do with a certain,.... "pogojo"?  ^______________^;

QuoteWe were completely thrashing, bashing, and taking a dump on Service pack 3 for XP, and M$ in general because of said SP3...

Now that you mention it, I do recall that a month earlier there was a veritable flood of articles "praising and prawning" the virtues of SP3.  Either that was a trademark propaganda ploy, or they pulled a Longhorn-Vista and "tweaked" the system a bit prior to release.  After all, you have to give "Honest Paying Law-Abiding Customers" the "treatment" they deserve, no?  ^^;

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In other news:

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/05/19/ramji_microsoft_open_source_strategy/

http://linuxlock.blogspot.com/2008/05/microsoft-stockholder-take-stock-in.html

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/7405346.stm

Quote from: "The Honorable C-Chan"See if DOSBox works in your system. I used DOSBox to play some really nostalgia-inducing DOS games in Linux, including Heroes of Might and Magic I and an older version of Battle Chess.

Yeah, DOS-box is a sure fire way to get DOS in systems which have abandoned or never have supported this piece of Genesis...

Plus, Battlechess for DOS roolz!!! :D Nice to see that there are people here that also enjoy a game of chess... ;010

It's usually quicker for me to play Knights (equipped with the Penguin theme for maximum "winnage"), but Battle Chess still has the nostalgia factor.  I do love a good game of chess, yes, but given all the work I have to do is a luxury I can ill-afford to take part in often.  ^.^'

Kinda the reason why I had to literally PRY myself off of Battle for Wesnoth, or else you would never see me again.  ^_____^'

I've yet to try the old TIE Fighter CD game (before LucasArts butchered the music) -- I think that would work great in DOSBox.  ^.^

The only thing I haven't got working in DOS-box is Heretic...
It behaves like -eeeh- Flight Simulator X on a very old PC (low framerate etc.) :(

Hmmm,... sounds like a job for,.... Virtualbox.  ^____^

In any event, I'm surprised this isn't bigger news, given the implications....  ^.^

http://www.itwire.com/content/view/18305/1023/

Instant-on computing,... *drools*  ^u^

Yeah, i had a similar PC once... Booted up in just 3 seconds...
It was my PC-XT 6.33 Mhz running DOS 4... :D

And ASUS does kick ass, always has... ;010

I really like the idea of Linux in the BIOS. :)

The day M$ goes open source, hell will become a first-class ice hotel. And you better believe that if they do "open up"...there will be some motive -__-

I wish I could comment on this neat little discussion about DOS games...but alas, DOS was a bit before my time. The closest I got to using it was the DOS mode on Windows 98 (ironically it worked better than 98 itself!)

Wait, so Splashtop is an embedded OS (would that make it firmware, right)? Aside from the fact that there are some limitations...what a neat idea! Although, I have never been one to be ticked off my computer's boot-up time...this comes from the same person who doesn't mind that their computer almost constantly makes noises, weights 8 pounds, and heats up like a frying pan ^///^

Quote from: "Bella"Wait, so Splashtop is an embedded OS (would that make it firmware, right)? Aside from the fact that there are some limitations...what a neat idea! Although, I have never been one to be ticked off my computer's boot-up time...this comes from the same person who doesn't mind that their computer almost constantly makes noises, weights 8 pounds, and heats up like a frying pan ^///^

Yep, it IS firmware.

Boot up times irk me if I see no progress, like under Windows or Linux with splash screen. I don't mind seeing Gentoo or damnsmall boot up.

Well, I don't really mind boot-time (up to certain levels), and I don't mind my PC being a bit on the heavy side (that's what you get for stuffing it full of HDDs :D), but I do like to keep my PC quiet, though, willing to sacrifice silence for coldness (My old Dell had 3 very noisy 120mm fans, but id did cool about 6 square feet around it, too ;010)

Quote from: "Bella"

I wish I could comment on this neat little discussion about DOS games...but alas, DOS was a bit before my time.

DOS was before my time too.

HAHAHAHAAAAAH!!!
Behold the arcane knowledge of the DOS-users...
And behold their epic oldness....

I still use DOS on my craptop... or damnsmall...

Well, I'm stuck with using DOS-box, wich is in fact an excellent way of introducing DOS on any system...
The lack of a graphical browser in DOS would actually be good for me, since i found out that building a particle accelerator isn't all that hard...
(I wonder what would happen (to me) if you send a beam from a home-built laser into a home-built linac (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linear_particle_accelerator) or cyclotron (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyclotron)?

There is/was Arachne as graphical browser...

I never knew that, but then i mainly used DOS from 1988-1994, and internet wasn't that common at that time...
I did use a nice shell, though; Toybox 2.02 (it was nice since it used a graphical interface with customizable icons in a windows style even handling subwindows so various sorts of applications/games could be grouped in sub-menus)...
Come to think of it, it worked a heck of a lot better than windows... :D

Hello Peoplez!
Just writing very briefly to prove I'm still alive, and not bacon yet.  ;)

Have been busy all week, from fixing friend's Win boxes (and doing the obligatory "advertisement"), to building pond waterfalls,... but the majority of the time was spent helping the deployment of EeePCLOS Beta 3.1.  Feel free to try out a copy if you'd like....  ^^

http://linuxtracker.org/index.php?page=torrent-details&id=e013740c34090f8be060af41f8710a5d91885d3c

I'm actually still busy getting a head start on applets for our next release, but at least there's a lot less pressure now.  ^.^

Would like to quickly share two pieces of VERY GOOD NEWS I came across in the last 48 hours:

http://news.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/05/19/0154224
http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20080523130503456

Fufu,... talk about chinks in the armor.  ^___^

Alright, gotta go, but hope to be back soon!  ^.^

*C-chan trots off*

Well, I am a big ASUS fan, but i find this hard to swallow...
Maybe M$ is pressuring them?

QuoteI never knew that, but then i mainly used DOS from 1988-1994, and internet wasn't that common at that time...
I did use a nice shell, though; Toybox 2.02 (it was nice since it used a graphical interface with customizable icons in a windows style even handling subwindows so various sorts of applications/games could be grouped in sub-menus)...
Come to think of it, it worked a heck of a lot better than windows...

Wow, I never knew there were any graphic shells for DOS. I learn something new every day.

And yeah, DOS mode always worked better than 98 itself :P

QuoteHello Peoplez!
Just writing very briefly to prove I'm still alive, and not bacon yet.

...Then who did I have for breakfast...? ;026

QuoteHave been busy all week, from fixing friend's Win boxes (and doing the obligatory "advertisement"), to building pond waterfalls,... but the majority of the time was spent helping the deployment of EeePCLOS Beta 3.1. Feel free to try out a copy if you'd like.... ^^

http://linuxtracker.org/index.php?page=torrent-details&id=e013740c34090f8be060af41f8710a5d91885d3c

...You think it would work well enough in VirtualBox?

QuoteWould like to quickly share two pieces of VERY GOOD NEWS I came across in the last 48 hours:

http://news.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/05/19/0154224
http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20080523130503456

Well, it's good that some countries are trying to stop them...there's really no such luck here...

Well, Windows 3.x was a graphical DOS shell...

and, yes it's good that M$ doesn't get away with so much nowadays, but it stings that ASUS was involved, too...

QuoteWell, I am a big ASUS fan, but i find this hard to swallow...
Maybe M$ is pressuring them?

WAAAH?  M$?  Pressuring people?!

Naaaaaaaaaaaaaaah,... surely you jest....  ;D

M$ has gone to great lengths to NOT destroy the UMPC and ULPC market,... I mean, look at how much they've I-M-P-R-O-V-E-D the OLPC project....  ;D

QuoteWow, I never knew there were any graphic shells for DOS. I learn something new every day.

And yeah, DOS mode always worked better than 98 itself :P

Maybe Windows 1.0-san wouldn't mind, but I think I hear 2.0-chan bawling her eyes out.  ^.^;

Quote...Then who did I have for breakfast...?  

*plants funeral reef on Bella's stomach*

You're too cruel.  ;^~^;

Quote...You think it would work well enough in VirtualBox?

Well yeah for the most part,... but for maximum impact, you'd have to reduce the internal resolution to 800x600.  That way, you'd get a slightly better idea of the challenges of working with a small 800x480 screen.  ^____^

QuoteWell, it's good that some countries are trying to stop them...there's really no such luck here...

A lot of money, time and lives were wasted promoting how GREAT Globalism is for everyone,... from a product standpoint....

I say what's good for the goose is good for the gander, so globalization of the ideals of life, liberty, pursuit-of-happiness, and justice FROM ABROAD are just as worthy of being imported here in North America as anything else.  ^^

So I'm not French or South African, but by GAWD that makes me proud, invigorated and hopeful as well.  -v-

Especially when it affects the education sector, which has the most to gain from F/OSS, but also much potential to give back.  ^^

http://www.theinquirer.net/gb/inquirer/news/2008/05/21/open-source-trumps-microsoft-uk

Although this is nice too...

http://ec.europa.eu/idabc/en/document/7635/469

Quoteand, yes it's good that M$ doesn't get away with so much nowadays, but it stings that ASUS was involved, too...

You'd be surprised, but one of our greatest impediments to the EeePCLinuxOS project is Asus itself.  Out of all the [cheap] hardware they could've chosen for the EeePC, they seemed to have gone to great lengths to acquire some fairly Linux-unfriendly hardware, such as the Atheros wifi card, the problematic Intel chip [for that resolution], and the UVC camera that seems to break with every new BIOS release.

What's more, the EeePC 900 has even MORE hidden modifications that stump independent Linux distro developers for a few weeks or so, with more hidden modifications promised in the Intel Atom-based 901.

Coupled with their piss-poor technical support (they practically volunteered eeeusers.com to be their main "technical support site"), their shady pricing schemes (the Linux EeePC 900 costs MUCH MORE than the XP version in Australia), and their willingness to leave their own AsusOS untouched for over 6 months.....

Yeah, it's pretty easy to remember that they really are a company like any other.  ^^;

Sure, we do owe them (and Everex) a small debt of gratitude for helping kickstart consumer-level Linux machines -- and they really are remarkable little machines (no doubt Asus is still king in hardware).  But after I've handed in my money and given my token respects, my love ends there and it's back to business as usual.  

And that being said, Asus can be a real rat sometimes.  `v'

I think i'll keep remembering ASUS as that little cheap Taiwanese clone factory that stumped IBM and Intel by producing a working 486-board, instantly becoming an A-brand... :D

QuoteWAAAH? M$? Pressuring people?!

Naaaaaaaaaaaaaaah,... surely you jest.... ;D

M$ has gone to great lengths to NOT destroy the UMPC and ULPC market,... I mean, look at how much they've I-M-P-R-O-V-E-D the OLPC project.... ;D

Was that...sarcasm...? :P

QuoteMaybe Windows 1.0-san wouldn't mind, but I think I hear 2.0-chan bawling her eyes out. ^.^;

As if 2.0-chan isn't always bawling her eyes out @__@

Quote
Well yeah for the most part,... but for maximum impact, you'd have to reduce the internal resolution to 800x600. That way, you'd get a slightly better idea of the challenges of working with a small 800x480 screen. ^____^

Ack, too bad it's a torrent...Unless there's a ton of seeders on a certain torrent...I hate them with a venomous passion.

(Right now Azureus is saying the ETA for this torrent is 12...no, wait, 16...excuse me, 7...now 18...no, 9, for sure, 9 hours. I usually just get a little done every day while I'm on the computer >__<)

QuoteA lot of money, time and lives were wasted promoting how GREAT Globalism is for everyone,... from a product standpoint....

I say what's good for the goose is good for the gander, so globalization of the ideals of life, liberty, pursuit-of-happiness, and justice FROM ABROAD are just as worthy of being imported here in North America as anything else. ^^

So I'm not French or South African, but by GAWD that makes me proud, invigorated and hopeful as well. -v-

Especially when it affects the education sector, which has the most to gain from F/OSS, but also much potential to give back. ^^

http://www.theinquirer.net/gb/inquirer/news/2008/05/21/open-source-trumps-microsoft-uk

Although this is nice too...

http://ec.europa.eu/idabc/en/document/7635/469

These are the stories I like to hear; I guess progress in the acceptance of open source software...like bittorrents...is a slow but sure process.

*checks torrent*

Hey! We're back up to 18...scratch that....11 hours!

QuoteYou'd be surprised, but one of our greatest impediments to the EeePCLinuxOS project is Asus itself. Out of all the [cheap] hardware they could've chosen for the EeePC, they seemed to have gone to great lengths to acquire some fairly Linux-unfriendly hardware, such as the Atheros wifi card, the problematic Intel chip [for that resolution], and the UVC camera that seems to break with every new BIOS release.

What's more, the EeePC 900 has even MORE hidden modifications that stump independent Linux distro developers for a few weeks or so, with more hidden modifications promised in the Intel Atom-based 901.

Coupled with their piss-poor technical support (they practically volunteered eeeusers.com to be their main "technical support site"), their shady pricing schemes (the Linux EeePC 900 costs MUCH MORE than the XP version in Australia), and their willingness to leave their own AsusOS untouched for over 6 months.....

Wow, for a company that is bring Linux to the mainstream, they seem to be thwarting it (or trying) at every possible chance...

QuoteYeah, it's pretty easy to remember that they really are a company like any other. ^^;

Sure, we do owe them (and Everex) a small debt of gratitude for helping kickstart consumer-level Linux machines -- and they really are remarkable little machines (no doubt Asus is still king in hardware). But after I've handed in my money and given my token respects, my love ends there and it's back to business as usual.

And that being said, Asus can be a real rat sometimes. `v'

And this is why I'm probably buying Apple (maybe...just maybe...Everex) next time I get a computer :P

QuoteI think i'll keep remembering ASUS as that little cheap Taiwanese clone factory that stumped IBM and Intel by producing a working 486-board, instantly becoming an A-brand...

I had never even heard of them till I found out about the EeePC, honestly ;)

And for one last installment of TorrentWatch...we have steadied at 6...nope, 7...no, no, 8, hours...DAMN YOU! 10 HOURS?! YOU IS GOING THE WRONG WAY!

Ahhhhhhhhh,... no wonder the torrent's taking forever,.. you're using Azureus.  `v'

It may be open-source, but even I have to recognize that it's a sloppy program, written in Java in such a way that makes it ABYSSMALLY SLOW, especially on older machines.  I'd swear you'd need Vista-loads of RAM to make it run properly.  Â¬Â¬

For Windows XP, the undisputed torrent king continues to be uTorrent, I believe.  Barring that, you can always use BitTornado,... which despite being ugly, is still very fast and lightweight.  ^^

Outside of Windows, Transmission and kTorrent are fantastic -- those might be viable options in case you want to download it from *Buntu.

But I know it's fast, cause,... well,... I'M one of those seeders.  `v'

And yes, I do have to admit that, despite having a solid collection of seeders, there's always of about 6 or 7 leechers that never seem to want to download from me.  Could be the client they're using, or maybe they're behind a firewall, I dunno,... but still, they're always there.  ^^'

uTorrent, w00t!!!

keeps me supplied (along with animesuki) with animez... ;010

So whats that i hear about Vista-like RAM requirements? :D

You know,... like between 2-4 gigs.  :D

Nothing like convincing your avg. consumer that equipping your machine with enough hardware to run a full-fledged server is necessary to surf the web and write letters.  :P

Or you have your average "enthousiast" who likes overkill and installs 4GB of RAM on Win XP... :D

And i am looking for an overkill watercooling system, because i know i can push my two AMD cores from 2500MHz to somewhere around 3GHz...:D
Or further...

*rubs his hands and starts drooling uncontrollably*

Whoops,... better get the firefighters on stand by.  :D

In other news, I found this blog very.... cute.....
Sure brings back memories of my bad ol' days....  ^___^

http://www.fsckin.com/2008/05/23/what-happens-when-you-ask-a-software-pirate-for-ubuntu/

I tried uTorrent, the ETA went from 5 hours to a day and a half. The little icon on the bottom bar was always yellow...it never went green, but it's not like uTorrent is blocked by a firewall or anything.

Oh well, K8's going to bed...

Well you may not have an actual software firewall, but it's still to be seen whether your modem/router has some filtering solution in plac.  I know thats the case with my modem, so I had to do port-forwarding, at least back when I was using uTorrent.  :(

Le sigh....

Oh well, I'll thinka something else.  ;)

In the meantime, 'fraid tech support is all I can afford this evening.  Maybe I'll have better luck tomorrow, and get back to some LONG overdue responses.  :D

On the article, LOL... At least he didn't ask a random price for Ubuntu, so he wasn't all bad... :D

And why would you want to get firefighters on standby?

Because when YOU try cooling things down, they go up in smoke instead.

And! uTorrent is most certainly the best torrent utility I've ever come across. I used BitComet before. It was...abysmal. >_>
And torrent networks are always problematic when it comes to seeders and leechers - maxupload, other users, etc, etc. But that's a given. I can still download the latest Bleach episode in well under 2 minutes, and that's good for me. -w-

Oh! And about ASUS, I've got to step somewhat in their favor here, since I just this saturday bought a pair of their products. One WIIIDEscreen monitor, and one gracious motherboard. When I get my pay next month I'll buy me a Q9-something processor and a bunch of DDR3 modules too, and then finish shit off with some crossfire gfx cards, and we'll finally be up and running if shit works this time around (it'd better). Rant rant rant. But anyway. ASUS is good stuff when it comes to hardware. I'll give them that.

Also, I realized that Alpha now has an uptime of 4 days or something, since I leave it on overnight and day. This is a bad sign, isn't it? >.>

Quote from: "NejinOniwa"Because when YOU try cooling things down, they go up in smoke instead.

That's why I've added a new brand to my favorites list; Koolance...
Mainly because of their Water-cooled Power Supply (http://www.koolance.com/water-cooling/product_info.php?product_id=665)...

Koolance? MOAR LIEK KOOL-AID AMIRITE

QuoteAnd why would you want to get firefighters on standby?

uhhh,... yeah,...

I agree with Nejin-san... might be paranoid, but everytime I combine "overclocking" with the name "Smokey", I tend to think disaster ensues.  :P

QuoteAlso, I realized that Alpha now has an uptime of 4 days or something, since I leave it on overnight and day. This is a bad sign, isn't it? >.>

Yeeeeeeeeeeah,... well, lemee put it in perspective....  ^^;
I pulled out the battery of my EeePC, hooked it on AC, and let it seed my Beta 3-1 release (and other distros) since it was released.  Going on a week now, so my "toy" laptop already has a better uptime.  ;D

Poor Nejin-san's gonna have to mess around with more thermal paste at this rate....  ^.^;

====================

In other news, I gotz the good readz for the day:

A little slapstick:
http://www.reallylinux.com/docs/linuxevangelist.shtml

And a little uplift:
http://www.consortiuminfo.org/standardsblog/article.php?story=20080529150227123

well, my PC is back to an uptime of a month now following a short break.
Before that it reached an uptime of nearly a year...
(And i'm going to reassemble my keyboard first, since typing with the top off is a real pain...I'm cleaning the thing )

Ack, the computer/modem/router whatever has broken my spirit with torrents. You win, machines!

*shakes fist*

QuoteOn the article, LOL... At least he didn't ask a random price for Ubuntu, so he wasn't all bad...

How could you assign a price for something so perfect? It is truly priceless. For Ubuntu is like a treasure to be shared with the world.

(That sum goooood Evangelizin' there)

QuoteA little slapstick:
http://www.reallylinux.com/docs/linuxevangelist.shtml

OMG....

QuoteNumber 1

Do not sneak in to work early one morning, insert Linux live CDs into everyone’s desktop system...

...I have actually done this as an April Fools Day prank. I put a Barebones Puppy liveCD into my dad's computer; but instead of indignation or intrigue, I got mild indifference. Among family and friends, Linux usually brings...mild indifference. XD

I have so far only managed to succesfully introduce a form of Linux to 2 people, both were convinced by stating that "It's free and legal, no matter what you do with it", "About a zillion times more stable than windows and with a bazillion less security leaks" and off course "Linux has an Office Suite wich is perfectly capable of opening and modifying M$ Office documents"...
I still have to experiment with WINE and make i run games stable (and preferably more efficient than Windows) to win my mates over, since we're bound to windows as the sole means of hassle-free gaming...
I have to admit, though that i haven't started experimenting with WINE, since it would mean interrupting my current uptime... I've come to a point where i make eefficient use of my 4GB of RAM by not shutting down games i play, but merely switching to the desktop by means of the windows key or an alt-tab...
I now have 2 games, an editor, 2 Firefox windows, both full of opened tabs, utorrent, winamp and 2 explorer windows open, while i'm typing this... :D
I have to say btw that i LOVE the way that Firefox remembers what pages she has opened for you when you shutdown the PC without closing her (or when a power failure occurs)...
And i'm having a rant here, wich i rarely do...sweet... :D

QuoteAck, the computer/modem/router whatever has broken my spirit with torrents. You win, machines!

*shakes fist*

I can't believe Miss I-Can-Kick-Ass-In-Old-VMS-Games can let herself be defeated by a simple little torrent boggle.  The shame, Bella-hime, the shame....  Â¯-¯

But in any event, didn't come here for that, so you're off the hook... -v-

QuoteWell, i already do like Vista...

But the problem is Vista is kinda like 2 things in one...

On one side you have a gaming platform, wich is (or will be) able to run games really nicely, and therefore is basically just an evolution of XP...

On the other hand however, they (M$) smothered Vista with unneccesary (and unnecesarily demanding) eyecandy and trinkets, slowing down (or crippling) the system...

So, basically if they make a sober, stripped version of Vista, like XP, but with better gaming api's (like an evolution of XP), then it will be a good (for M$'s doing) windows...

So, yeah, I love it and hate it...

I'm afraid to show myself at the MEWXPZLFUDAWV club...

Well first off, it's not like we're a bunch of starving piranhas ready to chomp down on dissent, although that is the prevailing stereotype.  ;)

You can generally tell the difference between honest discussion and raving madness by the amount of credit one side is willing to give to the other.  If one side is willing to admit benefits as well as flaws in the opposition, then that's honesty as nothing's perfect.  But if said side is unilateral in the loathe for the opposition, seeing it as unconditionally evil and without merit,... then it would be a good time to run while you still can. :P

Believe it or not, I have played XBOX 360 (awkwardly, given how used to I am to the Wii controllers), and while I do find the FPS games (e.g., Halo 3, Gears of War) not to my liking, I do awe at the technical and narrative achievements.  I've not played such a game on Vista, but I've never had doubt any of the newer games at least running gushingly-beautiful on it.  Couple that with prior gems such as the "Age of..." series of RTS games, and there's definitely no denying M$ knows how to do games.  Probably helps a lot that their gaming division is fairly independent compared to the other departments.

However, I would argue that the sober, stripped-down version of Vista you crave WOULD IN FACT be Windows XP with a few minor [sober] updates and DirectX 10 support.  If M$ were committed to give consumers what they wanted and simply improve on their flagshop product that has served people's (and corporation's) needs for now almost a decade, then they wouldn't receive nearly as much hate as they do now.

But that being said, it's very possible that XP is crippled in gaming (versus Vista) more so by design then technical merit.  The Linux kernel has been around since 1991, yet has managed to keep up with the times through incremental improvements -- no reason why the Windows Kernel used in XP couldn't be upkeeped the same way.  This ties back to the planned obsolescence not just of your software, but your beloved hardware as well.

And given how easy it is to create very entertaining things by making them play smoothly (which I find akin to the ease of making food tasty by adding more grease), it certainly sounds like a very cheap hook to get you to surrender yourself unconditionally.  A Roman analogy would be the issuance of a decree to burn your house and take your gold, in exchange for a VIP Pass to free orgies for a week, plus the best damn Coliseum games money can buy.  :D

Not saying you stop using it because knowledge of Vista is still a useful skill to have.  Heck, one of the core developers to EeePCLinuxOS IS a Vista user, and we're good friends.  But I definitely insist you always keep your skepticism, and watch out for shenanigans.  I know I was quite cautious even when I was using Mac OSX, and it was for the better as it prevented me from agreeeing to rather shady (in my opinion) .Mac and iTunes licenses.  


In any event, that's my take on that, Brother Smoke.  ^^

Let me end the day with a bit of good news,... the coming of another potential Baby.... ^___^

http://blogs.guardian.co.uk/technology/2008/06/04/acer_confirms_aspire_one_subnotebookminibook.html

So the Coming of Atom is nigh, eh?

Well I never.
(well actually yes, but anyway)

Awww. that's one cute looking notebook... ;010

And, yeah...
You have reminded me of my statement on all hard- and software made by microsoft...:
It's not their (Vista, XBOX, XP etc) fault that they're riddled with problems... They are actually quite good if you consider where they came from... :D (I expect every M$ product to suck hard, so it always seems better than i anticipated...)

Hey guise.

Has any of you any experience with  vLite (http://www.vlite.net)?
It might seem as a good way to lighten vista's amount of FAIL.

The last lightweight windows i used was as annoying as vista (how paranoïd can an OS get?!), since they stripped out way too much, fun for games, since it was a gamer edition but no printing, almost none of the DOS commands, only one wisual theme (winamp theme), only supporting US-keyboard layout (I always use US-Int.) oh and it didn't even support all the games...

But i'll keep it in mind when i reinstall one of the windozers....

Well I've not seen any legal issues with regards to the personal use of nLite/vLite (something which can't be said for distribution), so yeah why not?   I love an app that cedes more power back to the user.  :)

In other words, even though the title sounds uplifting, even I have to admit the article is annoyingly misleading and factually incorrect:

http://www.bloggernews.net/116062

Such a disservice to poor VxWorks-san.  ;___;

I noticed a blaring error in that article: when it said that 33 MHz was the equivalent of the Intel 386 a decade ago.

1. Processors were much faster than that 10 years ago! (processor speeds of 200-400 MHz)

2a. The Pentium processor (Pentium II or III) was the current one from Intel 10 years ago

2b. The 386 was current about 20 years ago



And not to mention that only Windows gets the Blue Screen of Death! (although I think the author was just trying to mention the equivalent of the BSOD


Also, isn't VxWorks a variant of Unix instead of Linux?

That was a very interesting discussion about the ups and downs of using Vista; I, too, have to admit I would probably be on the Vista bandwagon is M$ wasn't being such a jerk (using a nice word) about the. y'know, forced conversion campaign. I think, in one felled sweep, M$ has completely and utterly lost all my respect--because they have lost theirs for the consumer, probably very long ago. But they have irrevocably damaged my view on them; if only out of spite or the courage of my convictions I will never patronize them again.

This said, there be only three things I really do on my computer: writing, web browsing, and artwork.

And about that VxWorks article...Where was that author getting his sources? I mean...did they even give Wikipedia a look? It's not related to Linux, hell, Linux didn't exist when it was first manufactured. Not to mention this is a realtime OS while Linux, is most cases, isn't.

At any rate, I'm happy my router's OS is back on Mars again ;)

Correct on all accounts!  There's a reason I call you Aurora-hime.  ^^

Regarding the speed, a RISC processor can certainly do a lot more with little processing speed compared to x86 stuff.  That's why it's considered very reliable for embedded stuff.  

There is embedded Linux, but relative to tried-and-true embedded OSes it's still a work in progress and perhaps not well-suited to being launched into space where you won't be able to pop open the case and see what's wrong.  ^.^'

Maybe in a few more years -- and certainly from all the other space agencies around the world that have gained traction.  ^^

QuoteThis said, there be only three things I really do on my computer: writing, web browsing, and artwork.

*dangles Asus EeePC playfully*

No?  ^^

Okay, try this one...

*dangles Acer Aspire One playfully*

QuoteAnd about that VxWorks article...Where was that author getting his sources? I mean...did they even give Wikipedia a look? It's not related to Linux, hell, Linux didn't exist when it was first manufactured. Not to mention this is a realtime OS while Linux, is most cases, isn't.

Even this FORUM would've served as a better source compared to whatever he looked up (if he looked up anything at all).  ^^;

QuoteAt any rate, I'm happy my router's OS is back on Mars again

I'm telling ya, that girl gets to places, and FAST.  ^v^
Hopefully that's more inspiration for your Linux story. ^___^

i make it short , I love Vista 64bit !

Why don't you have a seat over there...

hm ? shure

Wow, these things are starting to spread....  ^.^

http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=splashtop_voodoo&num=1

In other news,... I forgot to post this last week when it was very big news.  Kind of offers a stark contrast to the Novell-M$ agreement last year....  -v-'

http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20080611191302741

In other news x2,.... I... want.... this.........  @v@

http://www.acer.com/aspireone/

I'm to tired and full of other RAGE to read the lawsuit mumbo-jumbo in detail...but it seems GUUUUUUUU'. Really GUUUUUUU'. At least something is getting brighter.

About the aspire one, when i saw the lil'critter, i thought awwww, cute...
Then i saw the intel logo and i thought ewwww, intel... :D

Sorry, die-hard AMD fan...

QuoteI'm to tired and full of other RAGE to read the lawsuit mumbo-jumbo in detail...but it seems GUUUUUUUU'. Really GUUUUUUU'. At least something is getting brighter.

You do seem to be a rage magnet -- stop attracting rage already!  :P
But yes, even though the actual details of the settlement haven't been revealed yet, it seems it's of far better benefit to Open Source.  

QuoteAbout the aspire one, when i saw the lil'critter, i thought awwww, cute...
Then i saw the intel logo and i thought ewwww, intel...

Sorry, die-hard AMD fan...

I'm actually surprised that AMD has not issued an ultraportable processor yet, especially considering the rising popularity of these things.  The only major competition the Intel Atom has is from the new VIA Isaiah.  And while I hear it is pretty good, I'm not holding my breath for anything from VIA just quite yet.  :P

well amd has a kind of ultra mobile cpu , its called "geode"  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geode_%28processor%29

But its realy weak, it has less performance than the intel atoms.
Im happy that my small eee pc usese the Celeron 353ULV. its a realy powerfull cpu on that small machíne if you unlock the true power , because the 353ULV series based on the pentium M 710 series.
It has yust the half cache ( now only 512 Kb L2) but for e-mail and some videos its ok. But i must say as an intel lover im quite imressed about the Via Isaiah, that platform has a true potential.

Man, AMD has got to get their act together, because i remember the times when they pwned Intel... (I loved the duron, it beat the Celeron both in price and performance...:D)

They fell when Core2 drew its mighty sword.


Also, with Nehalem coming this fall they might not even have a chance to catch up...

Quote*dangles Asus EeePC playfully*

No? ^^

Okay, try this one...

*dangles Acer Aspire One playfully*

Sorry, I'm afraid I'd never be able to get used to such a small screen/keyboard :(

QuoteWow, these things are starting to spread.... ^.^

http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=splashtop_voodoo&num=1

Whoa, I wonder when Apple is going to implement some sort of instant-start technology...

QuoteIn other news,... I forgot to post this last week when it was very big news. Kind of offers a stark contrast to the Novell-M$ agreement last year.... -v-'

http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20080611191302741

Good for them...I guess...

QuoteIn other news x2,.... I... want.... this......... @v@

http://www.acer.com/aspireone/

Awwwww, cute!

QuoteThe only major competition the Intel Atom has is from the new VIA Isaiah. And while I hear it is pretty good, I'm not holding my breath for anything from VIA just quite yet. :P

VIA Isaiah? The Old Testament CPU? :P

LOL, i thought Isaiah?, see a doctor for that...

Aa sou sou,... almost forgot about the AMD Geode, but that definitely isn't really the same thing.  Or at least I've always viewed it as a power-saving processor rather than one for modern MIDs.  '__'

Admittedly, AMD has gotten its act together rather quickly with regards to FOSS -- so much so that my old ATI Radeon card no longer gives me any trouble with their drivers.  For that, I'll cheer them on in their pursuit for an Atom/Isiah competitor.  ^___^

QuoteSorry, I'm afraid I'd never be able to get used to such a small screen/keyboard  

BAAH!  Same old excuse that never really holds water after about a week of usage, especially with the Aspire One which has a 95%-sized keyboard.  ;)

Then again, it is Acer so perhaps understandably you're hesitant about the brand.  ^__^

In that case, here's another potential baby en route:

http://www.engadget.com/2008/06/12/dell-e-and-e-slim-revealed-taking-on-eee-and-air-in-one-fell-sw/

QuoteWhoa, I wonder when Apple is going to implement some sort of instant-start technology...

Their current desktops already boot rather quickly, so not sure if they have the same incentive to research in that particular area.  Laptops are a different story, but they're not terribly bad compared to how they were in the older models.  ^^'

========================

In other news, UNIX-sama has forced yet ANOTHER one of her sniveling little offspring to cooperate with the Linux-tans.  ^^

http://news.cnet.com/8301-10784_3-9974882-7.html

QuoteAa sou sou,... almost forgot about the AMD Geode, but that definitely isn't really the same thing. Or at least I've always viewed it as a power-saving processor rather than one for modern MIDs. '__'

Admittedly, AMD has gotten its act together rather quickly with regards to FOSS -- so much so that my old ATI Radeon card no longer gives me any trouble with their drivers. For that, I'll cheer them on in their pursuit for an Atom/Isiah competitor. ^___^

Meh, my computers run on AMD processors. So three cheers for AMD!

QuoteBAAH! Same old excuse that never really holds water after about a week of usage, especially with the Aspire One which has a 95%-sized keyboard.

*rapping*

I like big comps and cannot lie, you other users can't deny, that when a comp comes in with an nice wide case and a big screen in your face...

Brrr, I can't believe I just referenced Sir Mixalot's booty song in a post O__o

QuoteThen again, it is Acer so perhaps understandably you're hesitant about the brand. ^__^

In that case, here's another potential baby en route:

http://www.engadget.com/2008/06/12/dell-e-and-e-slim-revealed-taking-on-eee-and-air-in-one-fell-sw/

I'm not as hesitant about Acer as I am about Dell...

QuoteIn other news, UNIX-sama has forced yet ANOTHER one of her sniveling little offspring to cooperate with the Linux-tans. ^^

http://news.cnet.com/8301-10784_3-9974882-7.html

Heyhey, that's not just any Unix...that's Tru64 Unix. That was a DEC OS....

QuoteI like big comps and cannot lie, you other users can't deny, that when a comp comes in with an nice wide case and a big screen in your face...

Brrr, I can't believe I just referenced Sir Mixalot's booty song in a post O__o

Yo homes to Bel-Air!

...right?

QuoteI like big comps and cannot lie, you other users can't deny, that when a comp comes in with an nice wide case and a big screen in your face...

Brrr, I can't believe I just referenced Sir Mixalot's booty song in a post O__o

*puts on hat sideways [awkwardly]*

[tone-deaf] OMG, I spoke to soon, I'm gonna have to make a mighty big swoon!
This Bella Girl knows how to Rap, and clearly digs her E-Machine Lap!

*flashes Peace sign*  Word! ....and stuff!  ^-^v

QuoteI'm not as hesitant about Acer as I am about Dell...

Well true that,... Dell has its own secret reputation of the adverse kind.  ^^'

Okay then, stick with the beloved Acer that you'll adore and cherish anyway cause the C-chan says so.  ^.^

QuoteHeyhey, that's not just any Unix...that's Tru64 Unix. That was a DEC OS....

Aa sou sou!  How could I have forgotten!  @v@
Awww man, that's just gonna get the creative juices fired up all over again.  

QuoteYo homes to Bel-Air!

...right?

RIGHT!!!!!  ^V^

....

Right what?  ^__^

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In other news, the CIOST need a new member and FAST!!  ^v^

http://www.linux.com/feature/139596

Interesting stuff really.  ^__^

Also, I know what I'm trying out next...  ^.^

http://www.earos.dk/

Quote
http://www.linux.com/feature/139596

Interesting stuff really. ^__^

Also, I know what I'm trying out next... ^.^

http://www.earos.dk/

I actually saw the Symbian thing a few days ago, on ComputerWorld (i think). Yay for Finland! ^_^

Also. eAR OS "free edition"? Pirate nose smells bad stuff here >_> Is this thing legit!?

Not in the US it is, but Denmark is fair game. Basically, it can be distributed to any country that doesn't criminalize the free distribution of DVD and MP3 playback codecs.

Besides, the free edition just means it's not the for-sale version, which is $100USD, and includes a lot of their proprietary multimedia software, as well as performance enhancements.

Wait...free codec distros are illegal in the US?

Wtf...?

I'm sure there are better sources, but this helps explain everything in a nice, convenient (albeit long) nutshell:

http://ubuntucat.wordpress.com/2007/05/28/the-legality-or-illegality-of-w32codecs-and-libdvdcss2/

Errr...

Nopes, I don't get it. But 'sokay. As you all know by now, I care about software patent-related laws as much as the average person cares about the precise coordinates of Alpha Centauri, so I'll just spare myself the bother.


In other news, Microsoft Silverlight is OH LAWD, PATHETIC. I have the latest version installed, and when I browse around M$' website and come upon places where my Silverlight plugin can come to use, IT ASKS ME TO INSTALL SILVERLIGHT. Please, do it right, if you're gonna do something at all. *facepalm.jpg*

QuoteYo homes to Bel-Air!

...right?

No my home is the mean streets of Manchesta, word!

Quote*puts on hat sideways [awkwardly]*

[tone-deaf] OMG, I spoke to soon, I'm gonna have to make a mighty big swoon!
This Bella Girl knows how to Rap, and clearly digs her E-Machine Lap!

*flashes Peace sign* Word! ....and stuff! ^-^v

Oh no he di'int!

QuoteAa sou sou! How could I have forgotten! @v@
Awww man, that's just gonna get the creative juices fired up all over again.

And I was at a loss for ideas about Tru64-tan's design...I still dunno what she'd be like back at DEC, but at least we know in the modern day she's a friend of Linux-sama's ;)

QuoteIn other news, the CIOST need a new member and FAST!! ^v^

http://www.linux.com/feature/139596

Interesting stuff really. ^__^

I drew some ideas for a SymbianOS-tan not a few days ago. SymbianOS, BTW, is the daughter of EPOC (which I drew a -tan of as well).

QuoteAlso, I know what I'm trying out next... ^.^

http://www.earos.dk/

Ack, looks good and all...but I'm one of those old fashioned types who thinks a TV should be a TV, a radio a radio, and a computer a computer (with a command line interface) :P

QuoteIn other news, Microsoft Silverlight is OH LAWD, PATHETIC. I have the latest version installed, and when I browse around M$' website and come upon places where my Silverlight plugin can come to use, IT ASKS ME TO INSTALL SILVERLIGHT. Please, do it right, if you're gonna do something at all. *facepalm.jpg*

Hmmm, I was asked to install Silverlight for some web application a while back...suffice to say I went no further -__-

In other news, I gave Syllable OS a try. Meh. It was retarded under VirtualBox, so I burned a CD with Syllable on it, and ran K8 on the live CD.

I think it combined all the difficulty of Unix with non of the usefulness of Amiga. Damned fast, though, it booted in a few seconds O__O

I thought it was neat even though it did boot on my crappy computer (not the craptop, the other stationary crappy one) slowly from live-CD.

In other news: OMG, I really love this site for having users in them who know this kind of stuff!

In other news: Kami-tux, do you have a single non-crappy computer? And how many crappy ones do you have, anyway? >_>

Quote from: "NejinOniwa"Errr...

Nopes, I don't get it. But 'sokay. As you all know by now, I care about software patent-related laws as much as the average person cares about the precise coordinates of Alpha Centauri, so I'll just spare myself the bother.

I think it can be bluntly put as "decoding CSS requires a royalty to be paid, so a free decoder is either given as part of a commercial product (such as the built-in decoder in Mac OS X or Linspire for example - I don't remember if Windows Vista has one now, but as in Windows XP it still lacks one) or illegal in the US because it's obtained through reverse engineering"

Puts a bit more light on it. Kthx.

According to a new study, Massachusetts--my state's fraternal twin--is the most tech-savvy in the country:

http://tech.yahoo.com/blogs/hughes/32599

(Don't mind that it's a link to a Yahoo news article. I hear that M$ has given up on hostility-taking them over, so I'm cool with them now :P)

But it gets better; New Hampshire is in the top ten, coming in at #9! Could this be why there are so many Macs in NH and MA? And so many people who know about Linux and open source software...?

So.
Old Billy is leaving the bridge (http://tech.yahoo.com/blogs/null/96337), and the company stops the engines of its trusty mothership XP. (http://tech.yahoo.com/blogs/null/96295)
All within two days of each other.
Anyone see a sign here?
Maybe, just maybe, mister Gates doesn't want to go much further in the direction the company is going now.
Think about it - he privately told Ballmer as early as 2004 that he wanted to leave the company, and it was announced in 2006 that he would.
I don't know, but reading that flame from 2003 to his devs (http://blog.seattlepi.nwsource.com/microsoft/archives/141821.asp), I'm seeing some of the man behind the behemoth he's been driving. And he looks considerably different from Ballmer - and where the company stands now, together with its CEO.

I might just be rambling, but meh - i might just be seeing through it all, too. As usual.

Also, 1 day left with ALPHA (because post doesn't come on sundays _._) leaves me a bit nostalgic. I've gone through a lot with this machine, and learned tons.
Then again, the reason I've learned so much is probably because there's been so much for me to fix by myself - left on its own it'd probably crash within a month. So it's probably about the last thing that kept me to IE back in the day - honor. Firefox gained its honor with me when I used it to get past the school's badly set-up firewalls and site blocks, and the period of time I knew about FF and used IE was something like 1 week. So much for old-timers.

Unlike most of you who'd probably change the old comp's OS and have it as a secondary, I'll most likely completely evacuate ALPHA entirely. The challenge for me is time, since I've got 10-hour workdays the rest of the week, and go north when the weekend comes. Depending on how much I've gotten done I might bring DELTA with me - then again, it's not as simple to bring a stationary as a notebook. At least I'll need a monitor. So we'll see how it goes with that.

So one Monday with 17 hours of awake time will probably be spent on something like 13 hours of config, and 4 hours of mandatory socializing (and tending to that damn dog) and perhaps, perhaps if I can get everything working in time...some badass gaming.

I've never gone through HL2 in its entirety before, and I'm quite eager to play HL2 and SupCom without the shitty performance I've suffered before.
I'll see if I can get to that tomorrow.

//N

Umm,... sorry people for the interruption but,... forgive me, but I might have sinned. ^^;

A friend of mine had an old laptop (that he apparently got from someone else) that he hadn't used n a year and was interested in getting Linux on it.  So I agreed and happily waited until I got the beleaguered laptop in question.....

....

Although it wasn't a PC....

...but an iBook G3 PowerPC with OSX Jaguar on it and barely enough RAM to get it operating properly.  I talked a bit with him, but he had assured me that the Apple store wasn't very helpful regarding a RAM upgrade (as it was too old), and he wasn't interested in any of the apps (and paying for them at that).  

Soooooooooooooo,........

....

On Debian PPC went.....

Can confirm that it's definitely not as out-of-the-box as an x86 installation, but I was able to tinker up a perfectly working state using the Lenny branch (minus a small problem with Suspend, that I still have to patch).  Suffice to say, KDE Debian really makes this PPC purr so beautifully. ^___^

But I still can't help but feel dirty,... maybe I've grown so used to having Macs reside in Macs.

If you need me, I'll be in the closet.... moping.  -.-

But before I leave...

Good luck, Nejin-san, and good for you Bella-sama. ^^

*pulls door shut*

PLEASE COME BACK, C-CHAN
YOUR EXCORCISM TECHNIQUES ARE WONDERFUL

Heh, C-Chan, No need to feel dirty! It runs Linux now! And that is good! Now use it in textmode to confuse the everliving hell out of Mac Evangelists out there ;)

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Quote from: "NejinOniwa"In other news: Kami-tux, do you have a single non-crappy computer? And how many crappy ones do you have, anyway? >_>

I have one only slightly crappy system, meaning that it is only single core and has only 512 MB RAM. That is jenji. I also have 3 crappy ones: sydi (the craptop, nuff said), slowtux (450 MHz AMD K6-2, 256 MB RAM) and Francesco (my first computer a 'TurboXT' and about as old as I am).

[muffled from behind door] Noo,... I think I'm gonna stay here for a while, and stew in my own juices of misery and melancholy....  

Although....

I did forget to bring food with me, so right now all I'm eating to keep me going is dried FUD.  Actually tastes a little like dried cud, I kid you not....

Here, have a taste...

*slips some FUD under the closet door*

http://www.thestandard.com/news/2008/06/26/microsoft-symbians-open-source-move-good-luck
http://news.cnet.com/8301-13505_3-9980413-16.html

Ewww...

Quote
In Microsoft's definition, "open platform" means a proprietary operating system, the development of which is completely and tightly controlled by Microsoft, and that is accessed via some 120 documented APIs available to application developers.

My brain... I was using it! Evil newspeak attempting to get in.


In other news: Sun seems to make more 'sales' volume by selling subscriptions to OpenSolaris than by selling licenses. At least according to the German heise.de

To get back to the topic of this thread: heise.de, an opensource friendly, but not completely OSS related site posted the monthly browser and OS stats from its site (http://www.heise.de/open/Marktanteil-von-Firefox-kratzt-an-der-20-Prozent-Marke--/news/meldung/109877): Anteile der Betriebssysteme auf heise online im Juni  2008:
Windows XP 59,5 %, Linux 14,1 %,
Windows Vista 9,2 %, Mac OS 7,7 %, Windows 2000 5,4 %,
andere/unbekannt 2,6 %, Windows .NET 1,6 %

andere/unbekannt means others/unknown. I like how this club has a solid majority against Vista :)

QuoteUmm,... sorry people for the interruption but,... forgive me, but I might have sinned. ^^;

A friend of mine had an old laptop (that he apparently got from someone else) that he hadn't used n a year and was interested in getting Linux on it. So I agreed and happily waited until I got the beleaguered laptop in question.....

....

Although it wasn't a PC....

...but an iBook G3 PowerPC with OSX Jaguar on it and barely enough RAM to get it operating properly. I talked a bit with him, but he had assured me that the Apple store wasn't very helpful regarding a RAM upgrade (as it was too old), and he wasn't interested in any of the apps (and paying for them at that).

Soooooooooooooo,........

....

On Debian PPC went.....

Oh lawd after gazing over this, I thought this was going to be a tale about you picking up a Mac on the cheap XD

QuoteCan confirm that it's definitely not as out-of-the-box as an x86 installation, but I was able to tinker up a perfectly working state using the Lenny branch (minus a small problem with Suspend, that I still have to patch). Suffice to say, KDE Debian really makes this PPC purr so beautifully. ^___^

But I still can't help but feel dirty,... maybe I've grown so used to having Macs reside in Macs.

If you need me, I'll be in the closet.... moping. -.-

Okay, I think this makes you a Linux evangelist. I mean, c'mon, you converted a Mac!

Speaking of which, I'm a bit dismayed cause of this whole XP thing. It's official, I'm not buying startup disks. I can't even get funding to buy them.

You see, for the family business...we're getting a Mac. Not a matter of if but when at this point. Nobody's really going to own the computer, since it's technically a work machine, but I'm probably going to be the one who has to work with it the most.

Now let's talk about my dad, who's gonna be funding its purchase. He's the ex-Windows zealot turned Mac fan. Chances are, this is going to be his computer when it's not being used. I can't say whether or not I see him getting along with it, as he, y'know, has problems working with XP (he can use it pretty well, though). And XP, as we know, is one of the most usable OSes ever.

So I says to my father, "you might want to get XP startup disks while you can still buy them."

His reply: "Why? My next computer will probably be running OS X or Linux."

Me: "Yeah, but I can't say...you'll get along so well with either one..."

(C-Chan, you may think you're a sinner, but here I am trying desperately, I mean, really desperately, to steer away from OS X and Linux!)

To which his reply came: "Oh, if I want it to run XP, I could always barrow a installation disk from a friend."

Me: "Okay, I think what you're talking about is illegal. Not to mention you'd have to crack the activation code or whatever the hell, I have no idea how any of that works."

I better stop recounting this story; the conversation from here took on a rather seedy side about piracy, and so on and so forth.  ;026

Bottom line of this tale: M$ is screwing the consumer over. A lot. >__<

Quote from: "C-Chan"Umm,... sorry people for the interruption but,... forgive me, but I might have sinned. ^^;

A friend of mine had an old laptop (that he apparently got from someone else) that he hadn't used n a year and was interested in getting Linux on it.  So I agreed and happily waited until I got the beleaguered laptop in question.....

....

Although it wasn't a PC....

...but an iBook G3 PowerPC with OSX Jaguar on it and barely enough RAM to get it operating properly.  I talked a bit with him, but he had assured me that the Apple store wasn't very helpful regarding a RAM upgrade (as it was too old), and he wasn't interested in any of the apps (and paying for them at that).  

Soooooooooooooo,........

....

On Debian PPC went.....

Can confirm that it's definitely not as out-of-the-box as an x86 installation, but I was able to tinker up a perfectly working state using the Lenny branch (minus a small problem with Suspend, that I still have to patch).  Suffice to say, KDE Debian really makes this PPC purr so beautifully. ^___^

But I still can't help but feel dirty,... maybe I've grown so used to having Macs reside in Macs.

If you need me, I'll be in the closet.... moping.  -.-

But before I leave...

Good luck, Nejin-san, and good for you Bella-sama. ^^

*pulls door shut*

No, you didn't sin. Porting other OSes to Macs is more common than you think. There are several reporters of older Macs (even including vintage ones!) running A/UX, NetBSD and Debian. And of course there is Yellow Dog Linux, a distro originally designed for PPC Mac hardware!

And if installing another OS greatly improved that iBook's performance, I think you did the right thing.

*creeks open closet door*

*pokes head out timidly*

*twitches ears and sniffles snout*

[quietly]  Really.... ? ''

....

Well I guess if a Mac user is okay with that, I should be in the clear then.  I'm glad!  ^__^

*hops happily out of the closet*

In fairness, it's still not 100% functional.  I still can't figure out how to work pbbuttonsd, which is supposed to help get the Apple keyboard's Special Keys to work.  Without it, my friend won't be able to open the CD drive (at least not without carrying a paperclip with him).  ^.^;

Once that and a few other knick-knacks are in order, then all should be gravy.  ^__^
I do with there were a Mandriva/PCLOS version for PPC, though,... I guess I've been spoiled too much by their respective Control Centers.  ^.^

Quoteandere/unbekannt means others/unknown. I like how this club has a solid majority against Vista

Wow, now that's not a market breakout I see every day.  @v@
The browser stats are also pretty impressive as well -- Firefox is literally sweeping the floor with them.  Is this a local or national trend?

QuoteOh lawd after gazing over this, I thought this was going to be a tale about you picking up a Mac on the cheap XD

I swear I'm gonna have to use that Bostonian term going forward.  ^___^
Oh lawd, oh LAWD!!  ^V^

QuoteOkay, I think this makes you a Linux evangelist. I mean, c'mon, you converted a Mac!

Suppose it can't be helped much at this point.  ^^;
I'll have to learn BSD now to help offer some balance.  ^__^;

QuoteSpeaking of which, I'm a bit dismayed cause of this whole XP thing. It's official, I'm not buying startup disks. I can't even get funding to buy them.

If you think that's dismaying, wait'll you hear about this ODDBALL maneuver....  ^^;

http://www.itwire.com/content/view/19154/53/

QuoteHis reply: "Why? My next computer will probably be running OS X or Linux."

@.@

I heard that last part right?  Have our OSC antics somehow diffused themselves into your family life?  Or has stuff like the EeePC and gPC and my beloved Shuttle KPC helped?  ^___^

http://www.zareason.com/shop/product.php?productid=16176&cat=0&page=1

QuoteChances are, this is going to be his computer when it's not being used. I can't say whether or not I see him getting along with it, as he, y'know, has problems working with XP (he can use it pretty well, though). And XP, as we know, is one of the most usable OSes ever.

Hmmm,... I think I see what you mean,... although rest assured that the branding behind Macs are very ingenius,.... I mean certainly for that price-point, one BETTER like it or else.  ^___^;

But nah, having used it myself, I think it'll invite your pop to explore system usage a lot more, if anything for the sheer beauty of watching files flip around like jukebox selections.  Plus a lot of the software that was once Windows-only works on OSX -- Photoshop and MS Office, for instance, and of course Inkscape and OpenOffice.  Anything that's left behind can be handled through Virtualbox or at worse BootCamp.

Word from the wise, though,... get a three button mouse PRONTO.  ^^;

Linux is a similar story but in reverse, as the inexpensiveness of the system just makes them comforting and charming to use.  I gifted a Shuttle KPC to a friend who recently got married -- and once I helped her set up Virtualbox and install proprietary codecs and teach her how to download more software, she's absolutely loving it.  It's literally a system that she can use with full peace of mind, without thinking too much about security risks or money expenditure.

Plus small DE's with "Easy Mode" interfaces are starting to get very popular -- I'm looking forward to how Linpus Lite on the Acer Aspire One implements its own "point and click" solution.  It's SO jaw-droppingly simple and user-friendly, it drew a control freak like me nuts.  ^v^;

But wait, I'm preaching to the choir no?  ^^;

QuoteTo which his reply came: "Oh, if I want it to run XP, I could always barrow a installation disk from a friend."

Me: "Okay, I think what you're talking about is illegal. Not to mention you'd have to crack the activation code or whatever the hell, I have no idea how any of that works."

I better stop recounting this story; the conversation from here took on a rather seedy side about piracy, and so on and so forth.  

Bottom line of this tale: M$ is screwing the consumer over. A lot. >__<

Well the sad truth of it is that M$, despite what it says, loves,adores and lovingly nuzzles piracy. Not only is it a very effective form of advertisement, and also puts the price-point on parity with FOSS platforms and software, but it also provides potential leverage for litigation later on.  Not unlike what happened to Ernie Ball Strings a couple of years ago:

http://news.cnet.com/2008-1082_3-5065859.html

So yes, they are doing a disservice to consumers, but it does strike me as interesting that your pop is adamant about trying out these new systems, and that's a good mindset I think.  It may be hard, but you CAN get used to anything new if you apply your mind to it -- not unlike how I got used to using that crappy version of OpenSUSE that very nearly scared me away from Linux (before Xubuntu saved the day).  It's not unlike Sterling Ball from that article -- who was resolute in purging the company of any M$ products, even if it meant forcing his employees to use abacuses.  

So if he's that self-motivated (and believe me, I know people who give up just trying to learn the name properly!), I think there will be nothing to fear.  Both Mac and Linux offer virtualization solutions anyway (I'd mention Wine, but better hold off on that for a while) -- unless he's used to it from seeing you and your laptop, I think he'll be impressed by how little he has to sacrifice in the end, and how much he has to gain by exploring alternatives.  Case in point, I wasn't much different from your Pop I think -- once upon a time, I exposed the virtues of Windows (and its games) over everything else, and jeered at the antiquated Old World Macs (as well as the fruity New World ones) to the point of savagery.  Thanks to the experience of the past couple of years, I feel I've changed for the better since I'm no longer as closed and bellicose as I once was in this regard.

Do keep me posted.  When the day comes, always remember that I/we offer free technical support here 24/7.  ^____^

QuoteThere are several reporters of older Macs (even including vintage ones!) running A/UX, NetBSD and Debian. And of course there is Yellow Dog Linux, a distro originally designed for PPC Mac hardware!

Ah yes, I've heard that even the old PowerPCs are capable of better upscaling than x86 machines -- when equipped with the right equipment and RAM, they actually make incredibly valuable (and incredibly cost-efficient) servers.  ^^

And now then,... for the major news of the day,....

....

A little poetic justice,... albeit at the frightening cost of bidding farewell to Lin-chan and Free-chan.  Eeep..... @___@;

http://practical-tech.com/operating-system/surprise-desktop-linux-move-xandros-buys-linspire/
http://www.osnews.com/comments/19942

QuoteTo which his reply came: "Oh, if I want it to run XP, I could always barrow a installation disk from a friend."

Me: "Okay, I think what you're talking about is illegal. Not to mention you'd have to crack the activation code or whatever the hell, I have no idea how any of that works."

Actually cracking XP is simple as hell, especially the corporate versions. Besides, with a setup like that, you can just use the same code as his friend used I BETTER STOP TALKING ABOUT THINGS LIKE THIS NOW OR I'LL BET THE B&! AGAIN, I RECKON


The fact that the cracking and installed pirated XP versions on comps are pretty everyday work for me should be a bit disturbing...but it's not >_>

Quote
If you think that's dismaying, wait'll you hear about this ODDBALL maneuver.... ^^;

http://www.itwire.com/content/view/19154/53/

OH! EXPLOITABLE!!!
You just gotta LOVE these guys who screw around with M$. =w=

QuoteWell the sad truth of it is that M$, despite what it says, loves,adores and lovingly nuzzles piracy. Not only is it a very effective form of advertisement, and also puts the price-point on parity with FOSS platforms and software, but it also provides potential leverage for litigation later on. Not unlike what happened to Ernie Ball Strings a couple of years ago:

http://news.cnet.com/2008-1082_3-5065859.html

This should be spread. Seriously. Someone has to set up a spam server just to mail out newsletters on opensource to random people. I think that's a great idea, actually.
Actually, I might just go away and do that myself. Right now. Or something.
*trots off*

*sweatdrops*

Fufufu,... I, uh,... not sure if I want FOSS stuff featured alongside free viagra.  :P
Let's just get more of them to appear in Google Ads instead.  ^^;

Or how about just getting more Freedom Toasters spread around the world:

http://www.freedomtoaster.org/
http://features.csmonitor.com/innovation/2008/06/17/bridging-the-african-digital-divide-%E2%80%93-with-a-%E2%80%98toaster%E2%80%99/

Yeah, now that's MY kind of vending machine.  :P

In other news, here's an article to compliment a recent "Topicless" discussion:

http://www.computerworlduk.com/community/blogs/index.cfm?entryid=985

And yes, DR-DOS-chan does get an honorable mention -- and good thing too.  A BBC article I read last week incorrectly attributed the creation of MS-DOS to,... shall we say,... the wrong person.....  :P

QuoteI swear I'm gonna have to use that Bostonian term going forward. ^___^
Oh lawd, oh LAWD!! ^V^

Like I've always said, Bostonian is the most elegant of the English-disfiguring accents.

QuoteIf you think that's dismaying, wait'll you hear about this ODDBALL maneuver.... ^^;

http://www.itwire.com/content/view/19154/53/

Oh hell's bells....they're packaging XP with Vista?! That's like being forced to buy a slab of roadkill when all you want in the fine cut of steak [worse metaphor ever\]

Quote@.@

I heard that last part right? Have our OSC antics somehow diffused themselves into your family life? Or has stuff like the EeePC and gPC and my beloved Shuttle KPC helped? ^___^

http://www.zareason.com/shop/product.php?productid=16176&cat=0&page=1

I think my constant Vista bashing is kinda making its way into my family life XD

QuoteHmmm,... I think I see what you mean,... although rest assured that the branding behind Macs are very ingenius,.... I mean certainly for that price-point, one BETTER like it or else. ^___^;

But nah, having used it myself, I think it'll invite your pop to explore system usage a lot more, if anything for the sheer beauty of watching files flip around like jukebox selections. Plus a lot of the software that was once Windows-only works on OSX -- Photoshop and MS Office, for instance, and of course Inkscape and OpenOffice. Anything that's left behind can be handled through Virtualbox or at worse BootCamp.

Word from the wise, though,... get a three button mouse PRONTO. ^^;

I always assumed Photoshop was developed for Mac and ported to Windows, actually...

QuoteLinux is a similar story but in reverse, as the inexpensiveness of the system just makes them comforting and charming to use. I gifted a Shuttle KPC to a friend who recently got married -- and once I helped her set up Virtualbox and install proprietary codecs and teach her how to download more software, she's absolutely loving it. It's literally a system that she can use with full peace of mind, without thinking too much about security risks or money expenditure.

Plus small DE's with "Easy Mode" interfaces are starting to get very popular -- I'm looking forward to how Linpus Lite on the Acer Aspire One implements its own "point and click" solution. It's SO jaw-droppingly simple and user-friendly, it drew a control freak like me nuts. ^v^;

But wait, I'm preaching to the choir no? ^^;

Easy mode!? They're doing everything to get noobs to run Linux, huh ;)

QuoteWell the sad truth of it is that M$, despite what it says, loves,adores and lovingly nuzzles piracy. Not only is it a very effective form of advertisement, and also puts the price-point on parity with FOSS platforms and software, but it also provides potential leverage for litigation later on. Not unlike what happened to Ernie Ball Strings a couple of years ago:

http://news.cnet.com/2008-1082_3-5065859.html

So yes, they are doing a disservice to consumers, but it does strike me as interesting that your pop is adamant about trying out these new systems, and that's a good mindset I think. It may be hard, but you CAN get used to anything new if you apply your mind to it -- not unlike how I got used to using that crappy version of OpenSUSE that very nearly scared me away from Linux (before Xubuntu saved the day). It's not unlike Sterling Ball from that article -- who was resolute in purging the company of any M$ products, even if it meant forcing his employees to use abacuses.

Haha, you know what I say, "abacuses before Vista" XD

QuoteSo if he's that self-motivated (and believe me, I know people who give up just trying to learn the name properly!), I think there will be nothing to fear. Both Mac and Linux offer virtualization solutions anyway (I'd mention Wine, but better hold off on that for a while) -- unless he's used to it from seeing you and your laptop, I think he'll be impressed by how little he has to sacrifice in the end, and how much he has to gain by exploring alternatives. Case in point, I wasn't much different from your Pop I think -- once upon a time, I exposed the virtues of Windows (and its games) over everything else, and jeered at the antiquated Old World Macs (as well as the fruity New World ones) to the point of savagery. Thanks to the experience of the past couple of years, I feel I've changed for the better since I'm no longer as closed and bellicose as I once was in this regard.

Do keep me posted. When the day comes, always remember that I/we offer free technical support here 24/7. ^____^

Yeah, on one hand I can see where he'd probably get along well with Linux, as he does no gaming, and just uses computers to write and web surf and stuff. The reason he's leaning toward a Mac, however, is it has to be able to run Photoshop; it's going to be used for a lot of photo editing and stuff. The price he's not too concerned about, it'll probably be a Mac Mini.

QuoteA little poetic justice,... albeit at the frightening cost of bidding farewell to Lin-chan and Free-chan. Eeep..... @___@;

http://practical-tech.com/operating-system/surprise-desktop-linux-move-xandros-buys-linspire/
http://www.osnews.com/comments/19942

Ah Lin-chan and Free-chan we knew thee well...even the XP dopplegangers are being knocked off T__T

QuoteActually cracking XP is simple as hell, especially the corporate versions. Besides, with a setup like that, you can just use the same code as his friend used I BETTER STOP TALKING ABOUT THINGS LIKE THIS NOW OR I'LL BET THE B&! AGAIN, I RECKON

Good thinking, there O_________O

QuoteOr how about just getting more Freedom Toasters spread around the world:

http://www.freedomtoaster.org/
http://features.csmonitor.com/innovation/2008/06/17/bridging-the-african-digital-divide-%E2%80%93-with-a-%E2%80%98toaster%E2%80%99/

Yeah, now that's MY kind of vending machine. :P

OMG I thought this was gonna be about BSD toasters XD

QuoteIn other news, here's an article to compliment a recent "Topicless" discussion:

http://www.computerworlduk.com/community/blogs/index.cfm?entryid=985

And yes, DR-DOS-chan does get an honorable mention -- and good thing too. A BBC article I read last week incorrectly attributed the creation of MS-DOS to,... shall we say,... the wrong person..... :P

A more fitting farewell I have yet to witness...they make M$ look like the Exxon Valdez of software companies XD

Quote from: "Bella"
Oh hell's bells....they're packaging XP with Vista?! That's like being forced to buy a slab of roadkill when all you want in the fine cut of steak [worse metaphor ever\]

I thought that was a pretty good metaphor! ;010

Quote
I always assumed Photoshop was developed for Mac and ported to Windows, actually...

That is correct- Photoshop was originally made for the Mac!

Photoshop 1.0 was released in 1990 and was Mac only until version 2.5 which introduced support for Windows, IRIX and Solaris.

Quote

QuoteA little poetic justice,... albeit at the frightening cost of bidding farewell to Lin-chan and Free-chan. Eeep..... @___@;

http://practical-tech.com/operating-system/surprise-desktop-linux-move-xandros-buys-linspire/
http://www.osnews.com/comments/19942

Ah Lin-chan and Free-chan we knew thee well...even the XP dopplegangers are being knocked off T__T

Uh oh... What would that mean for Lin-chan and Free-chan in the OS-tan storyline?

Quote
OMG I thought this was gonna be about BSD toasters XD

Same here ^^;

QuoteOh hell's bells....they're packaging XP with Vista?! That's like being forced to buy a slab of roadkill when all you want in the fine cut of steak [worse metaphor ever\]

Worse than being "happy as a pig in a poke"?

Cause believe me,.. being inside a poke ain't fun.  I know.  @@;

QuoteI always assumed Photoshop was developed for Mac and ported to Windows, actually...

QuoteThat is correct- Photoshop was originally made for the Mac!

Photoshop 1.0 was released in 1990 and was Mac only until version 2.5 which introduced support for Windows, IRIX and Solaris.

Sorry, I stand corrected on Photoshop.  ^^
Or rather,... well at least initially.  I imagine the Mac version took a back seat in the late 90's until perhaps only recently.

QuoteUh oh... What would that mean for Lin-chan and Free-chan in the OS-tan storyline?

Xandros-tan came and,... SHRUNK THEM AND SWALLOWED THEM WHOLE!!  MWAHAHAHA!!!  >v<

Nah but seriously, it's more likely that Lin-chan and Free-chan would be servants/maids to Xandros-tan going forward.  Not that it's much of a mansion they'd be working in anyway,... I mean it's basically one small-fry company buying off another one.  The fact that Xandros does make some money from the EeePC hasn't necessarily translated into booming market success, in part because neither Xandros nor Linspire have put much effort into developing better products.  It's gotten worse since after the M$ patent protection racket -- it's almost as if they just expected users to come flocking to their "patent havens", good user experience be damned.

It's a mess for sure,... but if anyone deserves the bad publicity, it's those two.  I feel sorry for poor Free-chan, though -- she just had to be dragged into this.  -__-

In other news, just in case anyone has ever wanted to see a Trend Micro cameo, here it is,... not exactly in the best light for him, but a good light for us possibly.  ^^

http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20080702120816358

Hey guess what...

I introduced Linux to another heathen Windows 98 machine!

Remember that relative's computer I mentioned, rotting in the corner of the basement? I asked my grandfather if I could try working on it a bit; he agreed. Well, I had hardly been at the house for an afternoon when I decided to try fixing it up. It was in several pieces--I had to scavenge up a mouse and keyboard to connect to it, as its current mouse and keyboard were broken.

Upon booting up, I found that I needed a password to login. The password had been lost and forgotten--I guessed the password, and voila! I logged in. After getting it up and running, I found Windows 98 "Plus Edition" to be running rather laggy.

I get the genius idea to try running Puppy Linux on it. After all, it had been quite a funky adventure trying to get my own Win 98 computer to run Linux, so this seemed like a fun challenge. What do I find but...oh no, the CDR tray won't open! Not wanting to admit defeat, I found a few pieces of stiff wire, and stuck them in the manual open hole on the CDR drive; it gave me a fight, but I finally got it opened and popped in the CDR with Puppy Linux on it. I rebooted, found the BIOS settings (unlike my 98 comp., it had full BIOS settings), set drive D: as the primary boot drive, and...ta da! it booted into Puppy!

Why did it take weeks to get my computer to run a live CD, yet minutes for this machine...? O__o

I showed Puppy to my grandfather, and explained how the live CD worked and about Linux--complete with a brief history of it and its heritage, going back to Unix and Multics and CTSS (OSes with a nearly 50-year history gain some respect). He was pretty impressed, I think.

So this is my second Windows 98/Linux introduction. If I get three more 98 machines running Linux, do I become some sort of Ace...? XD

In other news...a friend of mine revealed a shocking realization to me today...that has is unhappy with *gasp* Windows Vista, and he wishes he had XP back! OMG! Stop the presses! Hey, admittance is the first step to getting help, right...?

These puppies thank you for your hard work!  ^-^



Funny how much easier it was to set Puppy-chan on this machine rather than on your old Compaq -- I'm sure it's due in part to the hardware, but I'm also convinced it has to do with your enhanced Sk1llzr.  ^.^

You probably weren't around when I reported success refurbishing a similar old Compaq -- although for that one, I used MacPup instead of vanilla Puppy (basically it's Puppy Linux 4.0 designed to look and act like Mac OSX).  ^^'

Also, keep an eye out for Grant_P's future fanfic, as he seems to be branching out from solely Ubuntu-sama fandom, to Puppy-chan praise.  ^^

And an Ace?  You?  Don't aim so low, my dear.  You're gonna make Air Chief Marshal at this rate!  ^.^

Cute puppies! ^__^
*gets big bag*
*steals puppies*
Tehehehehe...

QuoteYou probably weren't around when I reported success refurbishing a similar old Compaq -- although for that one, I used MacPup instead of vanilla Puppy (basically it's Puppy Linux 4.0 designed to look and act like Mac OSX). ^^'

Whaaaaaaa? MacPup? Why hadn't I head of its existance until I looked at Grant_P's thread :V

QuoteAlso, keep an eye out for Grant_P's future fanfic, as he seems to be branching out from solely Ubuntu-sama fandom, to Puppy-chan praise. ^^

Yay! I just read his newest fanfics today! I just love them, he's such a good writer :D

QuoteAnd an Ace? You? Don't aim so low, my dear. You're gonna make Air Chief Marshal at this rate! ^.^

This from the dude who has half his neighborhood using Linux...or so it would seem? :P

Anyhow...

In Mac Relations news...
My father presents....
The Classic Jedi Mind-Trick:
"Hey, when I get my Mac are you gonna become a Mac Evangelist?"

(It's going to be a business computer, mainly, so I'll probably be one of its operators)

To which I reply: "Are you?"

Oh lawd. The sum of all our fears have been realized: Pops is gonna be an uber-zealot @_____@

In Windows news, another friend is having Vista problems. He installed a new wireless card and...gasp...lo and behold, his new printer stopped working! I mean, is that your best, Vista? Screwing up a printer? C'mon, that's a cliche already!

My XP machine is still relentlessly trying to avoid running Firefox and Kantairs, even after a a system restore back FOUR MONTHS. Uber-zealot Pops is ardent that (and I quote) "Evil M$" is behind it. OMG.

In slightly less game-like than Photoshop news, I've been a bit bored. So what's better for boredom than...huh? Playing around with a command line interface?! It started when a paper I was reading on Plan 9 (now I'm strangly curious about Plan 9, but can't justify any good reason to try it out). They were talking about how most Unix systems have a lot of baggage attached. Like baggage from some time in the 1960s. It turns outs that the CLI on most *nix systems is set up the same as it was back in the 60s when they still used teletype machines. "Go to an xterminal and type in "stty" and answer why it shows the baud rate" I think was their exact wording. I took this as a challenge. So I start up Ubuntu, go to the terminal, and type in "stty". Hey! It shows the baud rate! wtf?

After that I decided to play around with the command prompt on Windows. Hey, typing "help" gives you help! I never knew that.

Aside from VMS filenames (wft?!), I still don't grasp the concept of syntax, though. >__<

YO BELLA-HIME!!!!  ^V^

*squeals with joy*

Happy to see you back!  (you still on your road trip?)  ^__'

Sorry I haven't shown up to receive you -- I've been both a little sick, and a little overjoyed with the Acer Aspire One.  Absolutely LOVE it to bits.  ^.^

Only have enough time right now to reply here, but I'll return to answer that whicheth occupyith most of the Art Threadeth.  ^___________^;

[and your PM]  ^.~

QuoteCute puppies! ^__^
*gets big bag*
*steals puppies*
Tehehehehe...

Divine retribution... ^^;

QuoteWhaaaaaaa? MacPup? Why hadn't I head of its existance until I looked at Grant_P's thread :V

Well it's easy to overlook all the Puplets (cute fancy term for Puppy Linux Remasters), since we're so used to installing the official versions of systems.  ^^'
Some of them are very nice, and definitely save you a lot of work if they add in many of the things you plan to add yourself (e.g,, Inkscape, support for Compiz Fusion, XFCE, etc)

QuoteYay! I just read his newest fanfics today! I just love them, he's such a good writer  

Yep!  Although again, I owe him some comments.  Geez, I'm way behind.  T__T;

QuoteThis from the dude who has half his neighborhood using Linux...or so it would seem? :P

Well with the Aspire One, I'm making inroads at least.  ^.^

QuoteMy father presents....
The Classic Jedi Mind-Trick:
"Hey, when I get my Mac are you gonna become a Mac Evangelist?"

(It's going to be a business computer, mainly, so I'll probably be one of its operators)

To which I reply: "Are you?"

Oh lawd. The sum of all our fears have been realized: Pops is gonna be an uber-zealot @_____@

Wow,... how the world doth change compared to when I first met you (and you divulged the secret of your family's adoration for Windows and loathing for all things,... fruity).  Fortunately, Mac Evangelists are a relatively well-behaved bunch (albeit a little lazy and... gulp... spend-crazy).  ^^;

QuoteIn Windows news, another friend is having Vista problems. He installed a new wireless card and...gasp...lo and behold, his new printer stopped working! I mean, is that your best, Vista? Screwing up a printer? C'mon, that's a cliche already!

In other news, the sun rose in the east this morning and bears crapped in the woods.  ^.^;
Actually, XP sales are doing quite well with netbooks (e.g., EeePC and AAO), but they're not blowing away the Linux versions by a 50 to 1 margin like was originally expected (more like 1.5 to 1).  Plus the continued sale of XP is eating away at Vista market share, AND they still have to subsidize Windows XP (and the extra hardware needed to run it) for Asus, MSI, Acer, etc to prevent their versions from being significantly more expensive than the Linux versions.  

Kinda puts this story into perspective.....  ^.^'

http://www.networkworld.com/news/2008/082008-ms-novel.html?t51hb

QuoteMy XP machine is still relentlessly trying to avoid running Firefox and Kantairs, even after a a system restore back FOUR MONTHS. Uber-zealot Pops is ardent that (and I quote) "Evil M$" is behind it. OMG.

Wow!  He's an uber zealot and he still doesn't have a Mac yet....  ^_____^;

You said the problem might be due to .Net update, right?

Have you tried regressing that specifically?  Or at worst, running firefox from XP's fake DOS prompt?  (Go to Start>Run, then type in cmd, then type in firefox or something like that in the prompt, and see what error messages you get)

Worse comes to worse, you can always get acquainted with Opera.  ^.^

I kinda/sorta/maybe agree with your Pop.  There's a lot to gain (profit-wise) in driving people away from XP.

QuoteIn slightly less game-like than Photoshop news, I've been a bit bored. So what's better for boredom than...huh? Playing around with a command line interface?! It started when a paper I was reading on Plan 9 (now I'm strangly curious about Plan 9, but can't justify any good reason to try it out). They were talking about how most Unix systems have a lot of baggage attached. Like baggage from some time in the 1960s. It turns outs that the CLI on most *nix systems is set up the same as it was back in the 60s when they still used teletype machines. "Go to an xterminal and type in "stty" and answer why it shows the baud rate" I think was their exact wording. I took this as a challenge. So I start up Ubuntu, go to the terminal, and type in "stty". Hey! It shows the baud rate! wtf?

Fufu!  Indeed, there's an awful lot of history behind Terminal usage (either in Linux or in OSX).  A lot of commands such as "ls" (used to list a directory) or "df" (used to indicate file sizes) or the ubiquitous "cd" (used to change directories) were conceived in an era when even monitors may not have necessarily been present!  If you wonder how that's possible, think of how certain print calculators can still perform advanced functions just by specific keycode combinations.  Either way, making the "ls" command become "list-directory" in such an environment would just increase the error rate ten-fold, and would've drove users to Multics-sama in a heartbeat.  ^.^;

QuoteAfter that I decided to play around with the command prompt on Windows. Hey, typing "help" gives you help! I never knew that.

Aside from VMS filenames (wft?!), I still don't grasp the concept of syntax, though. >__<

Yep -- that fake DOS prompt is fairly easy to navigate if you're used to using a BASH shell actually.  Though some things are very different, other commands are identical (e.g., "cd", "dir", "help").

If you want to explore CLIs further, though, the command prompt is not the best place to start -- as it's not real MS-DOS, it caps your potential quite a bit.

In order to witness just how powerful a CLI can be, switch back to Ubuntu and follow this fun and interactive tutorial:

http://gd.tuwien.ac.at/linuxcommand.org/

This guide is what I used to learn how to use the terminal AND write shell scripts, and I've been happier ever since.  Knowing how to navigate and thrive in a shell environment eliminates the fear of watching your system not boot into X.  ^-^

(BTW, the guide also shows you how to install Cygwin -- or BASH for Windows -- but I wouldn't mess with that yet.  Last thing I want to be responsible for is the accidental borking of K8's system.  ^^; )

Added after 7 hours 33 minutes:

Oh, and another geek-inspired article to brighten one's day.  ^.^

http://www.besttechie.net/forums/Linux-Humor-t14545.html

QuoteYO BELLA-HIME!!!! ^V^

*squeals with joy*

Happy to see you back! (you still on your road trip?) ^__'

Sorry I haven't shown up to receive you -- I've been both a little sick, and a little overjoyed with the Acer Aspire One. Absolutely LOVE it to bits. ^.^

Only have enough time right now to reply here, but I'll return to answer that whicheth occupyith most of the Art Threadeth. ^___________^;

[and your PM] ^.~

Sick, huh? I know the feeling X__x

But I'm glad you finally got your Aspire One. :D

QuoteDivine retribution... ^^;

OMG...that looks just like one of my Babies...when she was a puppy (I've had her coming up on 11 years).

QuoteWell it's easy to overlook all the Puplets (cute fancy term for Puppy Linux Remasters), since we're so used to installing the official versions of systems. ^^'
Some of them are very nice, and definitely save you a lot of work if they add in many of the things you plan to add yourself (e.g,, Inkscape, support for Compiz Fusion, XFCE, etc)

XFCE!? Why had I never heard of Puppy with XFCE! :V

QuoteWow,... how the world doth change compared to when I first met you (and you divulged the secret of your family's adoration for Windows and loathing for all things,... fruity). Fortunately, Mac Evangelists are a relatively well-behaved bunch (albeit a little lazy and... gulp... spend-crazy). ^^;

He maintains now that he never was a Windows zealot, but a "what works" zealot (Sounds like a Mac Evangelist to me). Since XP worked (and still does) for him, he likes XP, but he doesn't feel the way about...let's say newer Windowses  O__o

Oh--yeah--I came up with a limerick yesterday--
There once was an OS called Vista;
It made many new users wistful;
It crashed and it freezed, had none of XP's ease,
Now the consumers are pissed off.

XD

QuoteKinda puts this story into perspective..... ^.^'

http://www.networkworld.com/news/2008/082008-ms-novel.html?t51hb

Oh lawd... >__<

QuoteWow! He's an uber zealot and he still doesn't have a Mac yet.... ^_____^;

You said the problem might be due to .Net update, right?

Have you tried regressing that specifically? Or at worst, running firefox from XP's fake DOS prompt? (Go to Start>Run, then type in cmd, then type in firefox or something like that in the prompt, and see what error messages you get)

Worse comes to worse, you can always get acquainted with Opera. ^.^

I kinda/sorta/maybe agree with your Pop. There's a lot to gain (profit-wise) in driving people away from XP.

IT IS a problem with .NET Framework. While it was mostly a hunch based on scant evidence, I now have proof.
So I go to uninstall .NET framework 2.0. It gives me the option to repair or uninstall. I try repairing. Well, what should come up but this intriguing little message:


And shotly after:


Same dialogue comes up when I try to uninstall it. So I went to the MS site and downloaded .NET framwork 3.5, thinking maybe this would get rid of the problem. After a lenghthy download I think...finally...I've gotten it to work; but no, near the end of installation theis same dialogue comes up.
Firefox won't start at all, when I try to run it nothing happens. When I try to run Kantaris, this comes up:



And .NET doesn't work, I can't uninstall it, I can't repair it, I can't reinstall it or install a new version. I know Firefox and Kantaris are dependent upon .NET framwork. My other computer can run Firefox and has .NET framwork 1.1 installed, yet it cannot run Kantaris because it doesn't have 2.0 installed. This proves two  very important things: that K8 has had .NET 2.0 installed for some time, because it has always been able to run Kantaris; and that .NET 1.1 can run Firefox fine.  
Now, the fact that .NET seems so screwed up, along with the fact that no form of non-destructive system restore can repair it, makes me think the chain of dependancies may go deeper; what could .NET be dependant on?

QuoteYep -- that fake DOS prompt is fairly easy to navigate if you're used to using a BASH shell actually. Though some things are very different, other commands are identical (e.g., "cd", "dir", "help").

If you want to explore CLIs further, though, the command prompt is not the best place to start -- as it's not real MS-DOS, it caps your potential quite a bit.

In order to witness just how powerful a CLI can be, switch back to Ubuntu and follow this fun and interactive tutorial:

http://gd.tuwien.ac.at/linuxcommand.org/

This guide is what I used to learn how to use the terminal AND write shell scripts, and I've been happier ever since. Knowing how to navigate and thrive in a shell environment eliminates the fear of watching your system not boot into X. ^-^

(BTW, the guide also shows you how to install Cygwin -- or BASH for Windows -- but I wouldn't mess with that yet. Last thing I want to be responsible for is the accidental borking of K8's system. ^^; )

Ooh, I'll have to check that out. That looks pretty interesting!
(And no worries, I'm not going to do anything that could bork K8. She's borked enough as is @__@)

QuoteOh, and another geek-inspired article to brighten one's day. ^.^

http://www.besttechie.net/forums/Linux-Humor-t14545.html

Haha! That's brilliant! It makes me wanna make some motivational posters :P

Some...news-ish stories I found intersting:

http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5gIiC0f4ECVVPCVVRQexjLv6ldVtwD92N0MQ01

http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?command=viewArticleBasic&taxonomyName=linux_and_unix&articleId=69761&taxonomyId=122&intsrc=kc_feat

Yeah!  I'm back in full force, ready to type up some REAL replies!  Gloves are coming off, no matter what!  ^__^

*starts typing furiously*

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Yeah!  I'm back in full force, ready to type up some REAL replies!  Gloves are coming off, no matter what!  ^__^

*starts typing furiously*

QuoteXFCE!? Why had I never heard of Puppy with XFCE! :V

Oh my, oh my, you've got some more Puppy reading to do.  ^__^
There's Puppy with Enlightenment, Gnome, KDE, LXDE,... she can be customized in so many different ways, up to the point where you lose the whole speed bonus of the distro.  ^.^

QuoteHe maintains now that he never was a Windows zealot, but a "what works" zealot (Sounds like a Mac Evangelist to me). Since XP worked (and still does) for him, he likes XP, but he doesn't feel the way about...let's say newer Windowses O__o

I fear that when he starts using Parallels on his soon-to-be-Mac, he's gonna become even MORE "zealotized".  Parallels offers the best virtualization solution for XP in my opinion (though admittedly, I've never used VMWare Fusion).  ^____^

Equipped with Parallels,  "just works" Mac can come equipped with a "just works" Windows XP and he'll be able to run whatever he can't substitute on a Mac (the list of which is shrinking as time goes on).  ^__~

QuoteOh--yeah--I came up with a limerick yesterday--
There once was an OS called Vista;
It made many new users wistful;
It crashed and it freezed, had none of XP's ease,
Now the consumers are pissed off.

Fufu... have a hard time matching a particular rhyme pair,... but otherwise a classic!  BWAHAHAHA!!  ^V^

QuoteIT IS a problem with .NET Framework. While it was mostly a hunch based on scant evidence, I now have proof.
So I go to uninstall .NET framework 2.0. It gives me the option to repair or uninstall. I try repairing. Well, what should come up but this intriguing little message:

Oh LAWD, that does sound like a major mess on your hands. ^^;
I do recall haveing similar problems with .NET in my old VPR Matrix machine.  I forgot what I was upgrading to -- only know that after I did, the whole system slowed to a crawl at bootup,... among other major issues.

Before I could find a solution to the problem, though, the hard drive finally died so the whole system was shot to hell.  And when I got a new hard drive, I made absolutely sure NEVER to upgrade that thing.  ^^;

Hence, I would never know what went wrong with it.  -.-'

Quoteogue comes up when I try to uninstall it. So I went to the MS site and downloaded .NET framwork 3.5, thinking maybe this would get rid of the problem. After a lenghthy download I think...finally...I've gotten it to work; but no, near the end of installation theis same dialogue comes up.
Firefox won't start at all, when I try to run it nothing happens. When I try to run Kantaris, this comes up:

Yep, a real mess.  ^^;

But hey, it ain't all bad....  
You're using the Commodore sisters pic, even though it's not finished.  I should probably finish that tomorrow so you'll have something nicer to post up in K8's desktop.  Thank ye very mucho, Bella-hime!  ^.^

QuoteNow, the fact that .NET seems so screwed up, along with the fact that no form of non-destructive system restore can repair it, makes me think the chain of dependancies may go deeper; what could .NET be dependant on?

Sadly, you seem to not be the only one wondering that....

http://www.ghacks.net/2008/08/01/why-cannot-i-uninstall-the-microsoft-net-framework/

http://forums.techarena.in/windows-update/920892.htm

Sounds like it depends on older versions of itself, apart from other hidden things that are nowhere near as obvious.  Just wondering, but have you tried uninstalling this in Safe Mode?  

Granted, you'll have to jump through a few hurdles just to have the ability to uninstall the majority of programs in Safe Mode:

http://www.nirmaltv.com/2008/02/13/windows-xp-tips-installuninstall-applications-in-safe-mode/

Quote(And no worries, I'm not going to do anything that could bork K8. She's borked enough as is @__@)

That's what I'm afraid of.  ^^;
If you can burn DVDs, now would be a good time to shuttle your files out if you haven't already.  ^.^;

QuoteSome...news-ish stories I found intersting:

Well the second one is six years old, but the first one -- yeah, it was quite the barrel of laughs these past couple of days.  ^____^

Presumably the guys who made the Burger King "King" commercials will also be coordinating this new media campaign.  While I've never seen those commercials, I have heard of their infamous creepy stalking mascot and presumably rather disturbing commercials.  Therefore, i'm having a hard time believing this will be a match made in heaven.  ^^;

QuoteOh my, oh my, you've got some more Puppy reading to do. ^__^
There's Puppy with Enlightenment, Gnome, KDE, LXDE,... she can be customized in so many different ways, up to the point where you lose the whole speed bonus of the distro. ^.^

Yeah, Puppy got a bit neglected when I started doing virtualiztion on K8 and could run distros like...Ubuntu and Debian :P

QuoteI fear that when he starts using Parallels on his soon-to-be-Mac, he's gonna become even MORE "zealotized". Parallels offers the best virtualization solution for XP in my opinion (though admittedly, I've never used VMWare Fusion). ^____^

Equipped with Parallels, "just works" Mac can come equipped with a "just works" Windows XP and he'll be able to run whatever he can't substitute on a Mac (the list of which is shrinking as time goes on). ^__~

Ack, too bad neither of us have XP installation disks. Oh well, I'm sure it's not like those are a rare commodity.

QuoteFufu... have a hard time matching a particular rhyme pair,... but otherwise a classic! BWAHAHAHA!! ^V^

That would be the wistful/pissed off rhyme, right? ;)

QuoteOh LAWD, that does sound like a major mess on your hands. ^^;
I do recall haveing similar problems with .NET in my old VPR Matrix machine. I forgot what I was upgrading to -- only know that after I did, the whole system slowed to a crawl at bootup,... among other major issues.

Before I could find a solution to the problem, though, the hard drive finally died so the whole system was shot to hell. And when I got a new hard drive, I made absolutely sure NEVER to upgrade that thing. ^^;

Hence, I would never know what went wrong with it. -.-'

Oh wow, are you trying to scare the hell out of me, or is that only a side effect?

Luckily, I figure K8's been updated since sometime in early July, and she's been running just fine. Bootup has always been a bit slow, which is understandable when you have 3/4ths of the HD space used up. Things were a bit laggy starting up this morning, but then again I was having some problems with the active desktop and when that was resolved she's been fine since.

QuoteYep, a real mess. ^^;

But hey, it ain't all bad....
You're using the Commodore sisters pic, even though it's not finished. I should probably finish that tomorrow so you'll have something nicer to post up in K8's desktop. Thank ye very mucho, Bella-hime! ^.^

It's a placeholder until I gets me Unix panel on the ZS comic!!!1!!

QuoteSadly, you seem to not be the only one wondering that....

http://www.ghacks.net/2008/08/01/why-cannot-i-uninstall-the-microsoft-net-framework/

http://forums.techarena.in/windows-update/920892.htm

Sounds like it depends on older versions of itself, apart from other hidden things that are nowhere near as obvious. Just wondering, but have you tried uninstalling this in Safe Mode?

Granted, you'll have to jump through a few hurdles just to have the ability to uninstall the majority of programs in Safe Mode:

http://www.nirmaltv.com/2008/02/13/windows-xp-tips-installuninstall-applications-in-safe-mode/

Umm...you know...safe mode (or at least getting into safe mode) doesn't seem to be so safe. It should be called dangerous mode I think.

We don't want the cure to be more destructive than the ailment...

QuoteThat's what I'm afraid of. ^^;
If you can burn DVDs, now would be a good time to shuttle your files out if you haven't already. ^.^;

*panic levels rising*

DVDs?! What kinda backup-unconscious rustic do ya take me for! Hell, I have a whole redundant HD that I backup on a bi-monthly basis!

'Course I don't even trust my backup very much. It is just a little (500 GB) external HDD that I've had for two years...I probably should have gone for a SDD and payed more money in hindsight... -__-

The irony is, this machine has been in and out of the repair shop more times than I can count on one hand, it's had major repairs done where the odds of me getting my data--or even the same unit--back were against me, yet I've been running this same installation of XP since the day I got it four years ago in September. It's gone through a motherboard, an AC adapter, two sets of hingers, a screen, a keyboard and some screen circuitry; yet the software has always been 100% stable the entire time (okay except for the motherboard incident, that's a different story).

I'm not going to try to reinstall XP now. >__<

QuoteWell the second one is six years old, but the first one -- yeah, it was quite the barrel of laughs these past couple of days. ^____^

Presumably the guys who made the Burger King "King" commercials will also be coordinating this new media campaign. While I've never seen those commercials, I have heard of their infamous creepy stalking mascot and presumably rather disturbing commercials. Therefore, i'm having a hard time believing this will be a match made in heaven. ^^;

*facepalm* What? Google was set on news stories from the past month! Oh well...

I can't believe you've never seen those BK commercials. They were everywhere a while back...and yeah, they were very creepy O__O

But I disagree with you...I think this will be a match made in heaven considering how creepy M$ has become! :D

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Oh yeah, I nearly forgot to mention--I'm now using Safari as a web browser! I looked into Opera (I always thought it was open source), but I figured if I was going to go with some proprietary browser I might as well go with the one M$ has shown a seething hatred of (spiteful much?)

I have to say it's fast; it seems faster than Firefox and certainly faster than IE. The only thing I'm hating is that shiny Mac interface that doesn't match the rest of XP, and the fact that it takes longer to start up.