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Title: Bella's OS-tan Manga Thread
Post by: Bella on April 17, 2008, 06:59:29 pm
I wasn't sure if I should make a separate thread of not, but seeing as my comics are a lot different that my usual artwork--one being hand drawn and all, the other being vector art--I thought a separate thread would be best. I can also use this area to discuss future plots and ideas; any input is welcome!

So far I've been working on a rather short manga. It is centered around VMS-sama and the rest of the DEC (Digital Equipment Corporation)-tans, but to be more accurate, it has to do with the rocky history between the DEC-tans and the Unix family.

The story so far has to do with Ultrix-san, a young daughter of BSD-sama, being sent to DEC headquarters to join their ranks. This causes much distress among the DEC-tans, who don't really like Unixes. VMS-san is chosen to show Ultrix-san around the base, and this somehow leads to a flashback regarding VMS-san and her first encounter with Unix-sama, explaining some of the conflict between their families.

These are linked from Photobucket since I can't figure out how to link them from my gallery here. I'm also posting them as text links since I don't want to make this thread to huge (though, with new pages I'll post them as images)

Page 1: http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s320/BellasOS-tans/deccomic.jpg
Page 2: http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s320/BellasOS-tans/Copyofimg092.jpg
Page 3: http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s320/BellasOS-tans/Copyofimg131.jpg
Page 4: http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s320/BellasOS-tans/comicpage4sm.png
Page 5: http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s320/BellasOS-tans/comicpg5-1.png
Page 6: http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s320/BellasOS-tans/comicpg6-1.png
Page 7: http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s320/BellasOS-tans/comicpg7.png
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(http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s320/BellasOS-tans/comicpg8.png)

Notes:
In panel 1, we see the Commander is writing on a DECWriter terminal; but this isn't as clear as in the last page.

In panels 3-5, you can see VMS-sama has changed out of her formal clothes and into her usual military outfit. Swords included.

In the last panel, we see a wristwatch on Unix-sama; this is an allusion to Unix being a timesharing system (as Multics-sama and CTSS-sama would have also carried watches, albeit of the elaborate pocket variety)

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(http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s320/BellasOS-tans/comicpg9.png)

Notes: In panels 1 and 3, we see some guy vaguely resembling Bill Joy (aka, the dude who invented Berkeley Unix).

Unix-sama isn't all that worried about VMS-sama being on her territory; because she knows the longer she's there, the more it'll wear her down.

EDIT:

NEWEST: Linux-san comic. See post page 5 and onward.
Title: Bella's OS-tan Manga Thread
Post by: Aurora Borealis on April 18, 2008, 12:12:15 am
Poor VMS-san! Being ordered to confront the uber powerful and cruel Unix! :( But I like the way she thinks though: Do not waste attacks on those who are not really much of a threat and do be willing to take a loss to lure the foe into a false sense of grandeur just to later take them down and watch as they feel worthless and give up... or get blasted till they're no more!  I also notice that Unix seems to have a very good understanding of psychology! ;010

Excellent work keeping up this story- I wish I could make an OS-tan comic about some characters' backstories!
Title: Bella's OS-tan Manga Thread
Post by: C-Chan on April 18, 2008, 02:15:58 am
QuoteExcellent work keeping up this story- I wish I could make an OS-tan comic about some characters' backstories!


Well you've already drawn about a dozen comics. From your standpoint, doing another comic about a specific character is less than a stone throw away.  ^^'

In any event, I've reached the end of my tether, so I'll need to post back tomorrow.  ^____^

But I had the honor of viewing these latest comics and feel so happy that UNIX-sama is in such great hands with Bella-sama, that I want to cry up a storm.  ;^v^;

Having seen such a beautiful incarnation of the goddess (and lest we forget, VMS-san herself), I can sleep very well tonight.  ^____^
Title: Bella's OS-tan Manga Thread
Post by: NejinOniwa on April 18, 2008, 07:38:52 am
*Far-off Nejin flyby*
Wai, righto! Er. I have a feeling that these things could use some cleaning and coloring - otherwise, it's all great! I'll see what'll happen next wWWAHAAAAAAAAAAAA-
*disappears into wormhole*
Title: Bella's OS-tan Manga Thread
Post by: Bella on April 18, 2008, 09:38:21 pm
QuotePoor VMS-san! Being ordered to confront the uber powerful and cruel Unix! But I like the way she thinks though: Do not waste attacks on those who are not really much of a threat and do be willing to take a loss to lure the foe into a false sense of grandeur just to later take them down and watch as they feel worthless and give up... or get blasted till they're no more! I also notice that Unix seems to have a very good understanding of psychology!


In order to be an excellent mind gamer, she must have a good grasp on psychology...

QuoteExcellent work keeping up this story- I wish I could make an OS-tan comic about some characters' backstories!


It's all a matter of finding a OS or character that has a interesting past, and working from there. There's tons of material out there; why, an entire series could be devoted to the Macs or Window family...

QuoteWell you've already drawn about a dozen comics. From your standpoint, doing another comic about a specific character is less than a stone throw away. ^^'


Agreed!

QuoteBut I had the honor of viewing these latest comics and feel so happy that UNIX-sama is in such great hands with Bella-sama, that I want to cry up a storm. ;^v^;


Aww, now, you're the one who gave me a lot of the inspiration to draw Unix-sama.

QuoteHaving seen such a beautiful incarnation of the goddess (and lest we forget, VMS-san herself), I can sleep very well tonight. ^____^


I'm glad you like her :)

Quote*Far-off Nejin flyby*
Wai, righto! Er. I have a feeling that these things could use some cleaning and coloring - otherwise, it's all great! I'll see what'll happen next wWWAHAAAAAAAAAAAA-
*disappears into wormhole*


Well, the reason I've been able to keep this up is because I've forgone the inking and coloring; never the less, I'm glad you like it so far :D
Title: Bella's OS-tan Manga Thread
Post by: C-Chan on April 19, 2008, 11:36:01 pm
Okay, last stop for the night...!  ^___^

PAGE 8:

Once again I love the reference to the DecWriters as typewriters, but I'm outright floored by the fact that the letters are dot matrix sheets!  That's such a cute and creative touch!!  ^v^

Also like how poor VMS-sama reluctantly dresses up to her DEC uniform, ready to kick some........... ass? (har har har)  ^0^

And last but not least for this page....

UNIX-SAMA!!!!!!!!!!  ^V^

I have to say,... for a Goddess,.... she definitely looks the part.  ^____^

And the office came out looking wonderfully!  ^^
You have to let us know what she's listening to on the gramophone.  ^____^


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And this just shows that she ACTS the part too.  ^.^

You have to admire her willingness to appreciate the significance of morale.  From the reaction of the subordinate, they seem to still be stuck in the snoody, antiquated mindset.  ^___^

And like a real pro, she isn't going to stoop to the level of kicking someone who's already on the ground.  Doing that would be no different from the counter-productive tactics her mother used.  -v-

The last panel is fantastic -- the dramatic close-up of UNIX-sama is incredibly striking as it gorgeous, and the downturned owl ears were a beautiful touch.  ^.^
Title: Bella's OS-tan Manga Thread
Post by: Bella on April 20, 2008, 07:00:49 pm
QuoteOnce again I love the reference to the DecWriters as typewriters, but I'm outright floored by the fact that the letters are dot matrix sheets! That's such a cute and creative touch!! ^v^


Haha, I kinda drew that without thinking about it...

QuoteAlso like how poor VMS-sama reluctantly dresses up to her DEC uniform, ready to kick some........... ass? (har har har) ^0^


Hey, she doesn't wanna be there :P

QuoteAnd last but not least for this page....

UNIX-SAMA!!!!!!!!!! ^V^

I have to say,... for a Goddess,.... she definitely looks the part. ^____^

And the office came out looking wonderfully! ^^
You have to let us know what she's listening to on the gramophone. ^____^


That's a good question, there...

QuoteAnd this just shows that she ACTS the part too. ^.^

You have to admire her willingness to appreciate the significance of morale. From the reaction of the subordinate, they seem to still be stuck in the snoody, antiquated mindset. ^___^


Hey now, that's not just any subordinate, that's some dude vaguely resembling Bill Joy! Everyone's favorite possible Neo-Luddite, who legend holds wrote BSD in a single weekend! Though even he admits the legends are wrong. Lawl.

QuoteAnd like a real pro, she isn't going to stoop to the level of kicking someone who's already on the ground. Doing that would be no different from the counter-productive tactics her mother used. -v-


Something like that; she knows VMS-has no supporters there...

QuoteThe last panel is fantastic -- the dramatic close-up of UNIX-sama is incredibly striking as it gorgeous, and the downturned owl ears were a beautiful touch. ^.^


Thank you! I had a lot of fun drawing the eyes and glasses as well. I tried to make them look kinda like those 60s-ish horn rim glasses :P

Anyhoo, I am working on the fight scene between Unix-sama and VMS-sama; although, the choreography is a bit tough ^///^

But I've been thinking ahead to what "series" I might do next. Don't get me wrong, there's plenty of material out there for a DEC-tan comic; but I get a bit bored spending too much time on one subject. So I was thinking I might make a comic about Linux-sama; her early life, to be exact. It'll be set between 1991 to 93, and detail the young Linux-sama's departure from Minix-sensei, and her subsequent journey to find her way in the world. The social and polictical atmosphere at this point was highly unstable and chaotic (what with the Unix and OS Wars going on); although, she will stay out of trouble for the most part, and I very much doubt she will have any first hand experiences with the occurences of the outside OS-tan world. I guess one of the recurring themes will be the difficulties Linux-sama faces as being a Unix-like in a time where most people weren't exactly trusting of Unixes (in any form), and conversly being hated by the Unixes because she isn't of their bloodline. She will also lack any powers at this point; only later will the "GNU people" endow her with the Open Sourcery she now possesses today.

I do have some worries, though; I am concerned that this whole tale will be a bit dull. I wonder if I should present this story in the context of "flashbacks" from a modern point (IE, Linux-sama just thinking back to when this was happening). This could take some of the pressure off the main story, and fill in the gaps between the more interesting incedents (thusly, making it less dull). Or I could have flashbacks to Linux-sama's really early life, and her training by Minix-sensei.

I also wonder a bit about Linux-sama's early life in general; what OS-tans might she have encountered? Somehow I think it would be mostly Minix-sensei and Unixes here and there. How exactly does GNU fit into this? I supposed the aformentioned GNU people would be a group (a daresay a "cult") who had everything prepared for the new OS-tan they would create (IE, the outfit, the weapons, the Open Sourcery spells, and her assistents [program-tans]); but somewhere along the way they had diffuculty bringing this OS-tan into existence, and decided Linux-sama would be the best candidate to carry out their mission of freedom. Also, for the sake of simplicity, I likely won't mention any of her daughters (because Yggdrasil-tan and Slackware-tan probably would have been around then). Though, I do suppose an OS-tan being "open sourced" would more or less have their DNA free for the world to access, so it could be she had "daughters" and didn't even really know about it (it's the only way you could explain so damn many Linuxes and Unixes cropping up!)
Title: Bella's OS-tan Manga Thread
Post by: C-Chan on April 22, 2008, 01:17:40 am
Oooh,... still have quite a bit here.  ^__^

Standy by, Bella-san.  ^.^

(http://www.property-casualty.com/Umbrella.JPG)

Added after 10 hours 17 minutes:

QuoteHey now, that's not just any subordinate, that's some dude vaguely resembling Bill Joy! Everyone's favorite possible Neo-Luddite, who legend holds wrote BSD in a single weekend! Though even he admits the legends are wrong. Lawl.


Ahhh,... BUT, my dear Bella-san, you're not thinking 4th-dimensionally.  ^^
What ARE mere mortals but in the presence of the Goddess but mere mortals...? Praised be UNIX-sama!  ^.^

*lights incense and grovels in worship*

QuoteSomething like that; she knows VMS-has no supporters there...


And she has no intention of GAINING her any supporters either.  Even if they don't want to admit it, people sometimes admire underdogs.  ^^

QuoteThank you! I had a lot of fun drawing the eyes and glasses as well. I tried to make them look kinda like those 60s-ish horn rim glasses :P


And a mighty fine job at that.  ^.^

QuoteAnyhoo, I am working on the fight scene between Unix-sama and VMS-sama; although, the choreography is a bit tough ^///^


In action scenes like that, I reckon that's where preexisting manga comes in handy, as it provides ample examples of effective ways of simulating speed and dynamic movement in a static, black-n-white medium.  Regardless, though, you deserve a lot of applause for taking up the challenge.  It's not easy.  ^__^

QuoteBut I've been thinking ahead to what "series" I might do next. Don't get me wrong, there's plenty of material out there for a DEC-tan comic; but I get a bit bored spending too much time on one subject.


In that case, you're best bet down the orad may have to be to tell mini stories for random characters, throughout random periods, something akin to a day-in-the-life-of anthology for OS-tans.  ^^

QuoteI do have some worries, though; I am concerned that this whole tale will be a bit dull. I wonder if I should present this story in the context of "flashbacks" from a modern point (IE, Linux-sama just thinking back to when this was happening). This could take some of the pressure off the main story, and fill in the gaps between the more interesting incedents (thusly, making it less dull). Or I could have flashbacks to Linux-sama's really early life, and her training by Minix-sensei.


I thought of the same approach but for UNIX-sama, given that a lot of her very early life is pretty dull too.  ^.^'
For a more dramatic presentation, the flashbacks could occur while she or others close to her are in some kind of duress.  

In fact, you could even tie it in with your current comic,... suppose that too is one long flashback of VMS-sama, who in present-day is in mid-skirmish with a *Nix contingent led by Linux-sama.  She in turn reminisces about her own youth and hardships.  

At the end of the day, both would come out seeming like veritable equals in more ways than one.  ^^

QuoteI also wonder a bit about Linux-sama's early life in general; what OS-tans might she have encountered? Somehow I think it would be mostly Minix-sensei and Unixes here and there.


I also never gave that much thought, but figured that a lot of the OS-tan's she met (before she started mingling with her clones) were other "fringe" OS-tans that would eventually become part of the CIOST, such as BeOS-tan.  She might've been friends with FreeDOS-chan for a while, but she likely had to leave soon after to help her sisters during the fighting.  

But of course, this is all fair game, so points for originality are awarded.  ^^

QuoteI supposed the aformentioned GNU people would be a group (a daresay a "cult") who had everything prepared for the new OS-tan they would create (IE, the outfit, the weapons, the Open Sourcery spells, and her assistents [program-tans]); but somewhere along the way they had diffuculty bringing this OS-tan into existence, and decided Linux-sama would be the best candidate to carry out their mission of freedom.


Fufufu.... well you remember my own "RPG-like" explanation for the whole GNU thing, but that can work too.  ^___^

QuoteAlso, for the sake of simplicity, I likely won't mention any of her daughters (because Yggdrasil-tan and Slackware-tan probably would have been around then). Though, I do suppose an OS-tan being "open sourced" would more or less have their DNA free for the world to access, so it could be she had "daughters" and didn't even really know about it (it's the only way you could explain so damn many Linuxes and Unixes cropping up!)


Actually, I think that'd be an excellent explanation.  ^___^
If you think about it, if we lived in a world where human cloning were widespread and normal, and some uber-famous actor gave out his DNA for free, guess how many fans would want their kids to look like him?  ^__^;

I think it's a fantastic way of explaining, not only this inconsistency, but also why UNIX-sama (at her age and physical,... er, development) could have so many children without being a raging sex-fiend, and also why Amiga-sama could have TWO kids and not even know it at first.  ^^'

Good thinkin'!  ^.^
Title: Bella's OS-tan Manga Thread
Post by: Bella on April 22, 2008, 04:38:42 pm
Page 10:

(http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s320/BellasOS-tans/comicpg10.png)

Hey, finally! VMS-sama has screwed up! Now all we have to do is wait for the arse-kicking to start.

Notes: Hey, it's by a lake! Or bay or something, that's a little unclear.

It seems that Unix-sama is going to fight with fire, and VMS-sama's going to use her swords, but wait and see...

QuoteAhhh,... BUT, my dear Bella-san, you're not thinking 4th-dimensionally. ^^
What ARE mere mortals but in the presence of the Goddess but mere mortals...? Praised be UNIX-sama! ^.^

*lights incense and grovels in worship*


Brother C-Chan speakith the truth!

QuoteIn action scenes like that, I reckon that's where preexisting manga comes in handy, as it provides ample examples of effective ways of simulating speed and dynamic movement in a static, black-n-white medium. Regardless, though, you deserve a lot of applause for taking up the challenge. It's not easy. ^__^


Oh yeah, I've been looking over a few different manga...just trying to get an idea of how action scenes are illustrated...

QuoteIn that case, you're best bet down the orad may have to be to tell mini stories for random characters, throughout random periods, something akin to a day-in-the-life-of anthology for OS-tans. ^^


Perhaps...

QuoteI thought of the same approach but for UNIX-sama, given that a lot of her very early life is pretty dull too. ^.^'


....Like her time working in as a typist at the Bell Labs patent office, her first job ^///^

QuoteFor a more dramatic presentation, the flashbacks could occur while she or others close to her are in some kind of duress.

In fact, you could even tie it in with your current comic,... suppose that too is one long flashback of VMS-sama, who in present-day is in mid-skirmish with a *Nix contingent led by Linux-sama. She in turn reminisces about her own youth and hardships.

At the end of the day, both would come out seeming like veritable equals in more ways than one. ^^


That's a thought....but given that the main theme of the comic will be Linux-sama's...limbo...between being considered a Unix by many, but being shunned by the true Unixes because she isn't one of them...perhaps if I presented it within another storyline, it would start with a present-day argument between Linux-sama and a particularly cynical Unix-tan who has no love for her (Maybe SCO-tan), and then progress to a flashback.

Or, it might work even better if the "present-time" of the comic is set in the mid 1990s, soon after Linux-sama's shaky acceptance into the family, while there's still a lot of tension...and then have flashbacks to the early 90s.

I even have a perfect title for this comic, should I go this route.

QuoteI also never gave that much thought, but figured that a lot of the OS-tan's she met (before she started mingling with her clones) were other "fringe" OS-tans that would eventually become part of the CIOST, such as BeOS-tan. She might've been friends with FreeDOS-chan for a while, but she likely had to leave soon after to help her sisters during the fighting.

But of course, this is all fair game, so points for originality are awarded. ^^


This sounds right; Linux-sama stayed out of the mainstream and probably never met any Macs or Windows-tans in her travels, but that doesn't mean she didn't meet other little-known OS-tans.

I wonder if--after Plan 9-san left her family--she may have come across the young Linux-sama. That would certainly make for one hell of a meeting, as while Plan 9-san is trying to distance herself from the Unixes, Linux-sama is somehow trying to gain their acceptance @__@

QuoteFufufu.... well you remember my own "RPG-like" explanation for the whole GNU thing, but that can work too. ^___^


Yeah, I remember your idea...but I almost want to make the GNU types seem a little more...ancient and mythological. After all, I heard that Stallman's whole idea for a free OS came from his experiences at MIT with ITS; there was a very free hacker culture surrounding ITS, but when MIT pulled the plug on ITS and adopted more closed-source proprietary systems, that culture nearly disappeared...

I know this'll sound moronic, but I almost want to present them as technological druids (WTF?!), trying to usher in a new era of open sourcery and freedom for all. And while Linux-sama will go along with them for the most part, she certainly has some qualms about their society...

QuoteActually, I think that'd be an excellent explanation. ^___^
If you think about it, if we lived in a world where human cloning were widespread and normal, and some uber-famous actor gave out his DNA for free, guess how many fans would want their kids to look like him? ^__^;


Thank you. The DNA/source code analogy could also be an explain why the open sourced OS-tans are usually more "healthy"...their genetic sequence or whatever is completely mapped out, so any problems could be diagnosed or treated a lot quicker.

Someone like poor OS/2-tan...nobody even has the foggiest idea of what her genetics are ;)

QuoteI think it's a fantastic way of explaining, not only this inconsistency, but also why UNIX-sama (at her age and physical,... er, development) could have so many children without being a raging sex-fiend, and also why Amiga-sama could have TWO kids and not even know it at first. ^^'

Good thinkin'! ^.^


Uh...oh...You had better watch out for flying books, vases and/or pianos. Or squirrels.  :P

Hmmm...I always thought AROS-chan and MorphOS-chan were adopted daughters of Miggy-sama...
Title: Bella's OS-tan Manga Thread
Post by: NejinOniwa on April 22, 2008, 06:01:07 pm
C-C-C-COMBAT BREAKER!!!

Now this bounds for awesome!
Title: Bella's OS-tan Manga Thread
Post by: C-Chan on April 23, 2008, 03:50:11 pm
Fufufu.... I leave for one day, and already you're tempting me with a cliffhanger of supreme kick-assedness.  ^^

I'll touch on that in just a second, but in the meantime....

QuoteOh yeah, I've been looking over a few different manga...just trying to get an idea of how action scenes are illustrated...


Well the poses have a lot to do with it of course, but it's not much fun if the character is punching forward, but not really doing anything else that makes her FEEL like she's punching forward fiercely.  For all we know, she could be a statue in the middle of a room.  :P

From my own quick observations, the feeling of speed and intensity is achieved primarily by two things:  dynamic lighting and action lines.

While certain schools of art may scoff at the use of action lines, it has proven over the decades to be a very convincing and very efficient way to "illustrate" the notion of speed -- certainly in a way that's far less labor-intensive than blurring effects.  And dynamic lighting (long shadows, and extreme contrast between lighting and shading) helps to highten the drama of the moment, and is certainly a given when dealing with magic and firearms (or those sparks that fly when swords clash explosively).  ^___^

QuoteThat's a thought....but given that the main theme of the comic will be Linux-sama's...limbo...between being considered a Unix by many, but being shunned by the true Unixes because she isn't one of them...perhaps if I presented it within another storyline, it would start with a present-day argument between Linux-sama and a particularly cynical Unix-tan who has no love for her (Maybe SCO-tan), and then progress to a flashback.

I even have a perfect title for this comic, should I go this route.


Aa sou sou,.. in that case, you needn't ponder the issue any further.  ^^

QuoteThis sounds right; Linux-sama stayed out of the mainstream and probably never met any Macs or Windows-tans in her travels, but that doesn't mean she didn't meet other little-known OS-tans.

I wonder if--after Plan 9-san left her family--she may have come across the young Linux-sama. That would certainly make for one hell of a meeting, as while Plan 9-san is trying to distance herself from the Unixes, Linux-sama is somehow trying to gain their acceptance @__@


What did I say about points for originality?  ^.^
very well,... you earn a cookie....

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QuoteYeah, I remember your idea...but I almost want to make the GNU types seem a little more...ancient and mythological. After all, I heard that Stallman's whole idea for a free OS came from his experiences at MIT with ITS; there was a very free hacker culture surrounding ITS, but when MIT pulled the plug on ITS and adopted more closed-source proprietary systems, that culture nearly disappeared...

I know this'll sound moronic, but I almost want to present them as technological druids (WTF?!), trying to usher in a new era of open sourcery and freedom for all. And while Linux-sama will go along with them for the most part, she certainly has some qualms about their society...


In that case, you've just helped make a very compelling historical tie-in with ITS-sama.  ^^

Speaking of lesser-known OS-tans along her travels,... supposing Linux-sama met ITS-sama along the way, and SHE was the one who pointed the young girl to her old "fanbase", now turned pseudo-religion?  Barring the risks, she knew the young girl had potential to give her old fanbase some direction.  ^___^

QuoteThank you. The DNA/source code analogy could also be an explain why the open sourced OS-tans are usually more "healthy"...their genetic sequence or whatever is completely mapped out, so any problems could be diagnosed or treated a lot quicker.

Someone like poor OS/2-tan...nobody even has the foggiest idea of what her genetics are


And yeah, truth be told, when OS/2-sama gets sick she gets sick for a LOOOOONG time.  @v@'

Doesn't beat out ME-chan, though,.... everyone has LOOOOOOOOOOOOOONG given up figuring out what's forever wrong with that poor girl.  ^^'

Quote
Uh...oh...You had better watch out for flying books, vases and/or pianos. Or squirrels. :P


Well,... it was either that or another jack-rabbit reference for UNIX-sama.  ^___^;

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*gets squished by flying boot*

QuoteHmmm...I always thought AROS-chan and MorphOS-chan were adopted daughters of Miggy-sama...


Originally that was the idea, but I eventually opted for full-blown daughters.  Not that it matters much anyway -- since she never conscientiously "had them", you could make the case that they are adopted.  Or rather "will" be adopted, as the reference actually refers to a future canon storyline (when where Amiga-sama leaves the Binteji Renmei,........ to live 500 feet away ^^; ..... and tries to settle down to a "real" family life, or at least a poor excuse thereof.  ^.^;).

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Okay, now,....

LET'S GET READY TO RUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUMBAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!  ^V^

QuoteHey, finally! VMS-sama has screwed up! Now all we have to do is wait for the arse-kicking to start.

Notes: Hey, it's by a lake! Or bay or something, that's a little unclear.

It seems that Unix-sama is going to fight with fire, and VMS-sama's going to use her swords, but wait and see...


*C-chan dances rumba with glee*  ^V^

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*pauses*

Wait, this doesn't feel right?  Is it "rumba" or something else?  ^____^'

In any event, it's only three panels but the last two are worth it.  ^__^
UNIX-sama is not as clearly defined as in the last page but she still has the secure goddess look to her.  And VMS-sama looks wonderful -- uncertain, but still courageous.  ^.^

Plus the difference in size is staggering -- if not for the fact that UNIX-sama is older and more powerful, you would almost think of this as an uneven match.  ^^

Now if all the places to fight,... why did UNIX-sama choose to meet her by a LARGE body of water?  Hmmm..... ^___^'

*dances more rumba with glee and giddiness*  ^v^
Title: Bella's OS-tan Manga Thread
Post by: Aurora Borealis on April 23, 2008, 05:51:22 pm
Excellent work as always! It does seem strange that Unix has decided to have the showdown take place by a body of water and VMS-san specializes in water attacks...
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Aha! I think I know why! It must be part of Unix's plan to make VMS-san seem like she [VMS-san] has the advantage although Unix has more than enough fire power to counter water attacks!
Title: Bella's OS-tan Manga Thread
Post by: Bella on April 24, 2008, 04:14:32 pm
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Notes:

Panels 1 and 2, I guess VMS-sama figures she's not going to need her swords. In panel 2, "Ristess" references RSTS-san's nickname (Ristess is how RSTS was pronounced, for the record)

In the last 3 panels, we see VMS-sama wearing gloves; this is to amplify her alchemical/geomancing powers. And we see that she's actually dragging the water from a...water table or something.

QuoteC-C-C-COMBAT BREAKER!!!

Now this bounds for awesome!


We'll see; even I dunno if this is bound for awesome or not. XD

QuoteWell the poses have a lot to do with it of course, but it's not much fun if the character is punching forward, but not really doing anything else that makes her FEEL like she's punching forward fiercely. For all we know, she could be a statue in the middle of a room. :P

From my own quick observations, the feeling of speed and intensity is achieved primarily by two things: dynamic lighting and action lines.

While certain schools of art may scoff at the use of action lines, it has proven over the decades to be a very convincing and very efficient way to "illustrate" the notion of speed -- certainly in a way that's far less labor-intensive than blurring effects. And dynamic lighting (long shadows, and extreme contrast between lighting and shading) helps to highten the drama of the moment, and is certainly a given when dealing with magic and firearms (or those sparks that fly when swords clash explosively). ^___^


I know exactly what you mean...but action lines, I find, are actually a bit hard to draw without making a mess of the illustration...I guess one has to be quite careful about how they place them...

QuoteAa sou sou,.. in that case, you needn't ponder the issue any further. ^^


I think the "present time" will be set back in the mid 90s; not long after Linux-sama was accepted into the family. The flashbacks will be to the early 90s.

Incidentally, when did the "OS Wars" start? I always supposed it started with Windows 3.1 being released (which would be 1992), but wasn't the hight of it around the time of Windows 95's release (1995)? And wasn't Mac System 7 released at Apple's all-time low point (1997)? So...I dunno...

QuoteIn that case, you've just helped make a very compelling historical tie-in with ITS-sama. ^^

Speaking of lesser-known OS-tans along her travels,... supposing Linux-sama met ITS-sama along the way, and SHE was the one who pointed the young girl to her old "fanbase", now turned pseudo-religion? Barring the risks, she knew the young girl had potential to give her old fanbase some direction. ^___^


Haha! That's a great idea! Linux-chan could be hitchhiking and have ITS-san offer her a ride (on her motorbike). After she leaves Linux-chan at her destination, she gives her an address, or something like that, of some folks she knows that could help her.

By the way, what would Linux-sama's Open Sourcery be, exactly? I know she prefers hand-to-hand fighting (with her spear) to using "magic", though...

QuoteWell,... it was either that or another jack-rabbit reference for UNIX-sama. ^___^;

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*gets squished by flying boot*


Ah, the ol' Das Boot treatment! Perfect for a blasphemer like thee :P

QuoteOriginally that was the idea, but I eventually opted for full-blown daughters. Not that it matters much anyway -- since she never conscientiously "had them", you could make the case that they are adopted. Or rather "will" be adopted, as the reference actually refers to a future canon storyline (when where Amiga-sama leaves the Binteji Renmei,........ to live 500 feet away ^^; ..... and tries to settle down to a "real" family life, or at least a poor excuse thereof. ^.^.


So they're her future-adopted-daughters? I see...

QuoteIn any event, it's only three panels but the last two are worth it. ^__^
UNIX-sama is not as clearly defined as in the last page but she still has the secure goddess look to her. And VMS-sama looks wonderful -- uncertain, but still courageous. ^.^

Plus the difference in size is staggering -- if not for the fact that UNIX-sama is older and more powerful, you would almost think of this as an uneven match. ^^


Yeah, I really wanted VMS-sama too look a lot taller than Unix-sama...;)

QuoteNow if all the places to fight,... why did UNIX-sama choose to meet her by a LARGE body of water? Hmmm..... ^___^'


So she can do a bit of post ass-kicking fishing, right...?

QuoteExcellent work as always! It does seem strange that Unix has decided to have the showdown take place by a body of water and VMS-san specializes in water attacks...
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Yeah, Unix-sama will address (advantage) this in the next page or so...

QuoteAha! I think I know why! It must be part of Unix's plan to make VMS-san seem like she [VMS-san] has the advantage although Unix has more than enough fire power to counter water attacks!


Maybe...even I don't know 100%. Haha...
Title: Bella's OS-tan Manga Thread
Post by: Aurora Borealis on April 24, 2008, 05:01:49 pm
ooh! Suspense! Will VMS-san's water attacks be enough to leave Unix all washed up? ;006 (can not... resist the puns!)

Quote

I think the "present time" will be set back in the mid 90s; not long after Linux-sama was accepted into the family. The flashbacks will be to the early 90s.

Incidentally, when did the "OS Wars" start? I always supposed it started with Windows 3.1 being released (which would be 1992), but wasn't the hight of it around the time of Windows 95's release (1995)? And wasn't Mac System 7 released at Apple's all-time low point (1997)? So...I dunno...

Not exactly sure when the OS Wars started, but I think it was around the time when Windows 95 was released.

You're close with those facts but System 7 was released in 1991 (although the last version, Mac OS 7.6 was released in 1997!) And also Mac OS 8 was released in 1997.
Title: Bella's OS-tan Manga Thread
Post by: C-Chan on April 24, 2008, 05:23:47 pm
Darn, have to leave it in another cliffhanger.  ^______________^

The suspense is killing me,... at this rate, I'm gonna pop like a.....!!  ^V^

(http://politicsoffthegrid.files.wordpress.com/2007/08/deer-tick.jpg)
Title: Bella's OS-tan Manga Thread
Post by: Bella on April 26, 2008, 12:42:19 pm
Quoteooh! Suspense! Will VMS-san's water attacks be enough to leave Unix all washed up?  (can not... resist the puns!)

Spoiler alert! No! Lol...

QuoteNot exactly sure when the OS Wars started, but I think it was around the time when Windows 95 was released.

You're close with those facts but System 7 was released in 1991 (although the last version, Mac OS 7.6 was released in 1997!) And also Mac OS 8 was released in 1997.


Oh, I see, I must have seen the latest release of System 7. I thought they meant the first release.

*facepalm*

QuoteDarn, have to leave it in another cliffhanger. ^______________^

The suspense is killing me,... at this rate, I'm gonna pop like a.....!! ^V^


OMIGOD...I hate ticks! Geesh! You've just hit on one of my biggest fears! Ticks are right up there with dentists, injections, rabid animals, gamma-ray bursts and the gathering darkness!
Title: Bella's OS-tan Manga Thread
Post by: C-Chan on April 28, 2008, 12:30:14 am
QuoteOMIGOD...I hate ticks! Geesh! You've just hit on one of my biggest fears! Ticks are right up there with dentists, injections, rabid animals, gamma-ray bursts and the gathering darkness!


Reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeally.  TvT

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*C-chan gives suspicious grin*

^_______________________________________________^

Okay....

...

I'll keep that in mind so I know when to... "protect"... you.  Fufufu... ^.^

But like I tell all my friends who are afraid of cute little buggers:

You're a million times bigger than it, and lyme disease is treatable in your neck of the woods, so do you REALLY need to be scared of the poor little itty-bitty ticky?  ^_____________________^

*C-chan POPS*

Oh right,... almost forgot,... still pretending to be a tick.  @@;

Well okay,... putting aside the fact that you're last two fears are something to do with gamma rays and dark stuff,... I still need to swoon on the latest comic.  ^__^

....

But really what else can I say but four carefully-chosen words?  ^^

"VMS HAWT, 'nuff said."  ^^

And with that,....

*SWOONS*  ^0^
Title: Bella's OS-tan Manga Thread
Post by: NejinOniwa on April 28, 2008, 07:27:51 am
Quote
You're a million times bigger than it, and lyme disease is treatable in your neck of the woods, so do you REALLY need to be scared of the poor little itty-bitty ticky? ^_____________________^

Sorry there Sempai, but there's a few other things that you need to be wary of ticks for...like TBC and Borelia. I actually was infected with Borelia when I was 11 or something - wasn't a pretty sight. Felt like I was gonna explode, seriously.
Title: Bella's OS-tan Manga Thread
Post by: Bella on April 28, 2008, 01:21:45 pm
QuoteReeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeally. TvT

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*C-chan gives suspicious grin*

^_______________________________________________^

Okay....

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I'll keep that in mind so I know when to... "protect"... you. Fufufu... ^.^

But like I tell all my friends who are afraid of cute little buggers:

You're a million times bigger than it, and lyme disease is treatable in your neck of the woods, so do you REALLY need to be scared of the poor little itty-bitty ticky? ^_____________________^


Oh, it's not the lyme disease I'm scared of...ticks just freak me out...yeesh....

*shutters*

Quote*C-chan POPS*

Oh right,... almost forgot,... still pretending to be a tick. @@;

Well okay,... putting aside the fact that you're last two fears are something to do with gamma rays and dark stuff,... I still need to swoon on the latest comic. ^__^


Ah, yes, for more info on Gamma Ray Bursts (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gamma_ray_burst)

The gathering darkness....hmmmm....well this could be caused by one of many things....including this (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/December_21_2012#2012_and_the_Long_Count), this (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/99942_Apophis), or this (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_hole)

@_____@

Quote....

But really what else can I say but four carefully-chosen words? ^^

"VMS HAWT, 'nuff said." ^^

And with that,....

*SWOONS* ^0^


As if we didn't already know how hawt VMS-sama was!

QuoteSorry there Sempai, but there's a few other things that you need to be wary of ticks for...like TBC and Borelia. I actually was infected with Borelia when I was 11 or something - wasn't a pretty sight. Felt like I was gonna explode, seriously.


*Shutters again*

That must have been horrible!

...........

Anyhow, I've thought out the Linux-sama comic; maybe I'll post an outline of it later.
Title: Bella's OS-tan Manga Thread
Post by: Techno the fox on April 28, 2008, 04:01:25 pm
Woah. That is...AWESOME

I mean it, Great Job Bella-san. This is to be the Unix/DEC version of Troubled Windows.

I see great potential in this.

*after reading the entire story thus far*

The suspence is killing me.

I simply love this manga, Awesome artwork, Great Storyline, and More.

Keep up the good work Bella.

^__^
Title: Bella's OS-tan Manga Thread
Post by: Bella on April 29, 2008, 05:57:16 pm
QuoteWoah. That is...AWESOME

I mean it, Great Job Bella-san. This is to be the Unix/DEC version of Troubled Windows.

I see great potential in this.

*after reading the entire story thus far*

The suspence is killing me.

I simply love this manga, Awesome artwork, Great Storyline, and More.

Keep up the good work Bella.

^__^


Hey! Good to see ya Techno! I'm glad everybody is liking this comic so far, after all, it started as a kind of a test comic (to see how everything would go). I suppose I'm aiming at around 20-25 pages.

I was working on the next two pages; hopefully I'll post them soon.

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I jotted down my ideas for that Linux-sama comic I'll likely work on after this is done...

Some parts of this comic I know exactly what will happen, and some I'm quite fuzzy about. But I do have the early storyline of the comic (that part taking place between 1992 and 95) planned out better than the part set in the "present time" of around 1996/97.

A timeline of the comic as I have it planed:

1992: Linux-sama's farewell to Minix-sensei at the train station. While on the train, Linux-sama meets a Macintosh (trooper, maybe a file or program-tan or something; just some generic dude who's "fighting" for the Macs). This is mostly to give a glimpse into the political and social uncertainty of the time.
--Current time: In a flash-forward to late 1996 or 97 , we see an argument between Linux-sama and SCO Unix-tan about her place in the family. SCO-tan claims Linux-sama is a fraud; Linux-sama says she's had to work harder than most of them to get where she is now.

-A meeting between Linux-sama and Plan 9-san, at which point a rather hysterical Plan 9-san warns Linux-sama not to get herself involved with her family.
--Current time: I'm unsure (probably more of that argument...)

-More of Linux-sama's early life; convincing people she's not just a "usual" Unix-like, as the Unixes were quite despised by many at this time. Maybe some funny scenes where she's helping folks on a farm or some other menial work just to show her hard working nature ;)
--Current time: I'm even more uncertain...oh boy.

-ITS-san stops for a hitchhiking Linux-sama, and gives her a ride on her motorcycle. ITS-san admires her point-of-view; they get into a rather philosophical discussion at a stop along the way. When ITS-san drops Linux-sama off, she gives her a note directing her to the GNU People.

-Around 1993: We see the GNU people--a group of rather socialist, hippie types, determined to bring about a widespread renaissance of the freedom they lost in the early 1980s--having a discussion about the future of their group. They have plans for the OS-tan that'll lead their mission, and have already prepared everything she'll need: her outfit, weapons, the "sourcery", and a group of program-tans to assist her. All would be well, except they have yet to create this "GNU-sama".

Linux-sama follows the directions on the note, and stumbles upon the GNU people. She tells them ITS-san sent her, and much to their amazement, they realize that Linux-sama could work in lieu of their own "GNU-sama".

-After convincing Linux-sama that she could work as the leader of their grandiose crusade for freedom, the GNU people somehow endow her (through some highly ceremonious ritual of magic) with the open sourcery she uses today. Whether they merely summon some power she had all along, or imprint upon her a form of magic originally designed for their own OS-tan, I'm unsure of.

Naturally, this causes some distress among the Unixes; although they are too busy in the last throws of the Unix Wars to do much about it.

-1993-94: Linux-sama learns that her source code/DNA/whatever has been used to create, what are in essence, two daughters; she travels to see her children, Slackware-chan and Yggdrasil-chan. While kinda strange and awkward at first, this meeting will take a turn for the sappy.

-1994/95: At some point along the way, I think a fracas between Linux-sama and one or more Unix-tans should occur. I was thinking that perhaps Apache Server-tan should come into play here, helping defend Linux-sama against the would be attackers.

-Early 1996: We see a rather somber looking Unix-sama commanding a/some Unix-tan(s?) to "bring Linux-sama in". We, of course, assume that this is for the worse; yet Unix-sama warns her people not to harm Linux-sama in any way. The Unix(es?) approach Linux-sama, and while she/they claim they just want to talk, Linux-sama believes they are making another attempt on her life and fights back.

I won't say exactly what occurs, but suffice to say this will explain the Unix/Linux alliance

Late 1996 or 97: Things have been brought full circle, and we are back at our present time.
Title: Bella's OS-tan Manga Thread
Post by: Aurora Borealis on April 29, 2008, 07:12:52 pm
I'm really liking those ideas! Bah. SCO-bouzu is such a brat, thinking that Linux-tan is a fraud because she is not part of the Unix bloodline at all despite being a Unix-like. And that Linux-tan has worked so hard to get where she is and get respect from Unix-sama (while some of her own children still get whacked by her rod on a regular basis) really shows that status and respect are acquired by merit, not birth! ;019 ;019 ;019

But as for how Linux-tan acquired her magic, I'm in favor of it all being acquired from the GNU people, more of how Linux-tan has really gone a long way since her beginnings!
Title: Bella's OS-tan Manga Thread
Post by: Bella on April 30, 2008, 04:31:34 pm
QuoteI'm really liking those ideas! Bah. SCO-bouzu is such a brat, thinking that Linux-tan is a fraud because she is not part of the Unix bloodline at all despite being a Unix-like. And that Linux-tan has worked so hard to get where she is and get respect from Unix-sama (while some of her own children still get whacked by her rod on a regular basis) really shows that status and respect are acquired by merit, not birth!


Perfectly put, Aurora-san! When you think about it, Linux-sama is probably the most like "Unix-like" out of the whole family, at least in her early history. But don't tell the Unixes this, is pisses them off a lot >__<

QuoteBut as for how Linux-tan acquired her magic, I'm in favor of it all being acquired from the GNU people, more of how Linux-tan has really gone a long way since her beginnings!


Right again; Linux started as a very small, simple project, and look at how far it's gone.

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Notes: Hey, VMS-sama can control water! But Unix-sama can make forcefields! In panel 4, that "shhhhhh" noise and the cloud is the water turning to steam. So apparently she can generate heated forcefields, as well.

As you can see, I was kinda experimenting with those aforementioned action lines. I dunno how it came out, though; I sorta like it.

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Notes: VMS-sama confirms her adversary can create forcefields by throwing a rock at her (the industry known test for confirming a forcefield).

Panel 3: ZOMG get your cameras, peoples, Unix-sama is smiling! Which means she must also have access to the human emotion known as...j-j-joy.

Panel 4: Hey, so VMS-sama does have a Massachusettsan accent.

Panel 5: Unix-sama lies! Well, about the "inborn ability" part. We know where she got her power from, however -__-
Title: Bella's OS-tan Manga Thread
Post by: C-Chan on May 01, 2008, 12:12:57 am
Hi peoplez!

Just a friendly reminder that I'm still alive [barely] and probably up for a quick round of visitations tomorrow.  ^___^

I know I have a lot of work cut out for me -- much swoonage to dispense and drool to wipe.  ^.^

*stares at Bella's latest and greatest*

...........

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............................

Okay, I've afraid that's just TOO much Win.... ^v^'

I can't possibly pop like a bug in the presence of the Goddess.... No, it's times like these where I'm obligated to melt into some tasty dessert treat.  ^____^

(http://www.sugarandspices.info/wp-content/uploads/2006/12/dsc_0144pud1pud1.jpg)
Title: Bella's OS-tan Manga Thread
Post by: C-Chan on May 04, 2008, 10:12:06 pm
Nice.... plenty of stuff to review here.... ^.^

Quote1992: Linux-sama's farewell to Minix-sensei at the train station. While on the train, Linux-sama meets a Macintosh (trooper, maybe a file or program-tan or something; just some generic dude who's "fighting" for the Macs). This is mostly to give a glimpse into the political and social uncertainty of the time.


Cool!  Don't forget, the trooper has to look a little on the antiquated side.  Don't be afraid if its a 19th century look.  ^____^

Quote--Current time: In a flash-forward to late 1996 or 97 , we see an argument between Linux-sama and SCO Unix-tan about her place in the family. SCO-tan claims Linux-sama is a fraud; Linux-sama says she's had to work harder than most of them to get where she is now.


And SCO-chan is STILL arguing that, even as her company is still pretending that it's not filing for bankruptcy.  ^.^'

Quote-A meeting between Linux-sama and Plan 9-san, at which point a rather hysterical Plan 9-san warns Linux-sama not to get herself involved with her family.


Hopefully for the younger girl's safety (although 9-sama and Linuxs-sama are around the same age.

Quote--Current time: I'm unsure (probably more of that argument...)


Well Solaris-sama used to say the same thing to Linux-sama,... albeit not as politely.  That was before she turned into a little wannabe.  ^^'

Quote-More of Linux-sama's early life; convincing people she's not just a "usual" Unix-like, as the Unixes were quite despised by many at this time. Maybe some funny scenes where she's helping folks on a farm or some other menial work just to show her hard working nature


As a traveler, she probably would have needed to do odd jobs like that to get by.  It's a good thing you've watched Kino's Journey -- it'd make for good inspiration for the kind of strange lands and people she'd encounger.  ^^

Quote--Current time: I'm even more uncertain...oh boy.


Why not an argument with LinuxXP-tan, or at least the SUSE/Linspire/Xandros trio.  They may have proben they're not UNIX-like, but now they're trying too hard to be something else.  ^^;

Quote-ITS-san stops for a hitchhiking Linux-sama, and gives her a ride on her motorcycle. ITS-san admires her point-of-view; they get into a rather philosophical discussion at a stop along the way. When ITS-san drops Linux-sama off, she gives her a note directing her to the GNU People.


Fufufu!  you liked the idea.  ^____^

Quote-Around 1993: We see the GNU people--a group of rather socialist, hippie types, determined to bring about a widespread renaissance of the freedom they lost in the early 1980s--having a discussion about the future of their group. They have plans for the OS-tan that'll lead their mission, and have already prepared everything she'll need: her outfit, weapons, the "sourcery", and a group of program-tans to assist her. All would be well, except they have yet to create this "GNU-sama".


Or rather, they're getting impatient that their would-be champion,... GNU/Hurd-san,... seems to have no qualm about taking her sweet time.  Even today, she's not finished.  ^^;

QuoteLinux-sama follows the directions on the note, and stumbles upon the GNU people. She tells them ITS-san sent her, and much to their amazement, they realize that Linux-sama could work in lieu of their own "GNU-sama".


Well,... she has the same philosphy,... AND SHE'S ALREADY AVAILABLE!
Hell yeah they're gonna take her in lieu of "the other one".  ^^;

Given how spaced out GNU/Hurd-san is, I wouldn't be surprised if she never realized all her equipment was given away to a young pup.  Certainly the GNU people weren't gonna tell her.  ^^;

Quote-After convincing Linux-sama that she could work as the leader of their grandiose crusade for freedom, the GNU people somehow endow her (through some highly ceremonious ritual of magic) with the open sourcery she uses today. Whether they merely summon some power she had all along, or imprint upon her a form of magic originally designed for their own OS-tan, I'm unsure of.


I'm thinking that Linux-sama was trained in physical and intellectual prowess, but Minix-sensei made absolutely sure NOT to show her any of the strong UNIX spells, to prevent the young Linux-chan from being targeted much more mercilessly by the Unix Family.  

On the other hand, all of the spells up until then were closely-guarded secrets, passed on carefully through the generations in a way that masters always reserved the best of spells for themselves.  In that manner, the magic would get weaker and weaker over time.

The "new" magic that the GNU people show her is completely open and well-documented... which seemed weaker and harmless at first, but had the potential of getting strong and stronger over time.  

QuoteNaturally, this causes some distress among the Unixes; although they are too busy in the last throws of the Unix Wars to do much about it.


Of course, publicly, they'd downplay this considerably at first.  Not unlike how M$ is doing it now.  ^.^

Quote-1993-94: Linux-sama learns that her source code/DNA/whatever has been used to create, what are in essence, two daughters; she travels to see her children, Slackware-chan and Yggdrasil-chan. While kinda strange and awkward at first, this meeting will take a turn for the sappy.


OOH!!! OOH!!! OOH!!!  Considering she's still pretty much a child herself, this has GOT to be very very cute!!  ^v^

...

...in a... sappy,... kinda way.  ^^

Quote-1994/95: At some point along the way, I think a fracas between Linux-sama and one or more Unix-tans should occur. I was thinking that perhaps Apache Server-tan should come into play here, helping defend Linux-sama against the would be attackers.


I think this is a good way to demonstrate, for the first time, that the Linux girls aren't pushovers.  ^^

Quote-Early 1996: We see a rather somber looking Unix-sama commanding a/some Unix-tan(s?) to "bring Linux-sama in". We, of course, assume that this is for the worse; yet Unix-sama warns her people not to harm Linux-sama in any way. The Unix(es?) approach Linux-sama, and while she/they claim they just want to talk, Linux-sama believes they are making another attempt on her life and fights back.

I won't say exactly what occurs, but suffice to say this will explain the Unix/Linux alliance


Kewl!  This will be like Unix vs VMS all over again.  ^__^

Only this time there's one clear advantage....

VMS-sama was powerful, but was also alone and demoralized.

Linux-sama, even then, was FAR from alone.  She had friends,... LOTS and LOTS of friends,...
Setting aside the notion of Strength in Numbers, that also leads to very high morale, and, thanks to her philosphy, the "Moral High Ground".  ^______^

QuoteI'm really liking those ideas! Bah. SCO-bouzu is such a brat, thinking that Linux-tan is a fraud because she is not part of the Unix bloodline at all despite being a Unix-like. And that Linux-tan has worked so hard to get where she is and get respect from Unix-sama (while some of her own children still get whacked by her rod on a regular basis) really shows that status and respect are acquired by merit, not birth!  


Amen to that!  ^v^

QuotePerfectly put, Aurora-san! When you think about it, Linux-sama is probably the most like "Unix-like" out of the whole family, at least in her early history. But don't tell the Unixes this, is pisses them off a lot >__<


And with one back-handed comment, you've finally answered the age-old question of why UNIX-sama likes Linux-sama so much.  ^___^

But as you say...

shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.. ^.^

QuoteNotes: Hey, VMS-sama can control water! But Unix-sama can make forcefields! In panel 4, that "shhhhhh" noise and the cloud is the water turning to steam. So apparently she can generate heated forcefields, as well.


Fufufu!  She liked THAT idea too!  ^.^

QuoteAs you can see, I was kinda experimenting with those aforementioned action lines. I dunno how it came out, though; I sorta like it.


A little bit weak, but better conservative than over done.  Overall, the panel is simple, but sets itself up for a very nice experiment in dynamism in the fourth panel, where you add that brilliant aura by UNIX-sama's hand, her cool pose, teh action lines, that blurring by her left leg, and the cool whipping (and steaming) of the incoming waves.

BTW, UNIX-sama looking pensive in panel 3 is kinda cute. ^__^

QuoteNotes: VMS-sama confirms her adversary can create forcefields by throwing a rock at her (the industry known test for confirming a forcefield).


Panel 1 face is Visa-priceless!  ^___^
Poor thing looks so cute sweatdropping like that.  Kudos on the good use of action lines here to express shock.

Love the practical rock throw -- why waste energy, eh?  ^^

QuotePanel 3: ZOMG get your cameras, peoples, Unix-sama is smiling! Which means she must also have access to the human emotion known as...j-j-joy.


Oh don't worry,... she does actually smiles quite a bit (certainly in recent times).

It's just that... well,... you usually DON'T want to see her smile.  ^^;

...

Unless you're Linux-sama or Amiga-sama or any other of her close friends,... it's.... kinda like the famous Kiss of Death.  ^_____^;

If she's somber and/or indifferent, you're usually safe.  ^^;

And by GAWD!! I love what you've done to the owl ears!!  ^.^

QuotePanel 4: Hey, so VMS-sama does have a Massachusettsan accent.


Wow!  I never really pictured VMS-sama as a Bostonian until now.  That's so cute.  ^.^

We should make a Vector Linux-chan and give her a heavy Canadian accent, now that you've got me all started up. ^___^

QuotePanel 5: Unix-sama lies! Well, about the "inborn ability" part. We know where she got her power from, however -__-


And a mighty beautiful Multics Staff at that, if that beautiful drawing is any indication!  ^^

As always, uber-phenomenal work, Bella-hime!! ^___^
Title: Bella's OS-tan Manga Thread
Post by: Bella on May 05, 2008, 07:31:03 pm
QuoteNice.... plenty of stuff to review here.... ^.^

Cool! Don't forget, the trooper has to look a little on the antiquated side. Don't be afraid if its a 19th century look. ^____^


For sure! I was thinking the train, however, would be very 30s or 40s ish.

QuoteHopefully for the younger girl's safety (although 9-sama and Linuxs-sama are around the same age.


Yeah, something like that; somehow I think she'd be one of the most affected by the Unix wars out of the whole family. Psychologically, of course, but maybe even physically (lemme put it this way--she wasn't born with that silvery white hair)

QuoteWell Solaris-sama used to say the same thing to Linux-sama,... albeit not as politely. That was before she turned into a little wannabe. ^^'


Oh yeah, Solaris and BSD-sama are going to be in on this fracas as well. Maybe even Minix-sensei, who'll bring her own sense of blunt truthfulness to the table.

QuoteAs a traveler, she probably would have needed to do odd jobs like that to get by. It's a good thing you've watched Kino's Journey -- it'd make for good inspiration for the kind of strange lands and people she'd encounger. ^^


Waaah! Nope, Kino's Journey is still on my to-watch list ;)

Still, I can always tap into my own experiences in the strange land of Rhode Island for inspiration if I ever run dry on ideas. XD

QuoteWhy not an argument with LinuxXP-tan, or at least the SUSE/Linspire/Xandros trio. They may have proben they're not UNIX-like, but now they're trying too hard to be something else. ^^;


Cause the current time is set in 1997, I don't think any of them (save SUSE) existed than.
Quote
Fufufu! you liked the idea. ^____^


Speaking of strange characters she may have encountered, I almost wonder if the CIOST had their submarine HQ yet (probably not, I think). Them giving Linux-sama an interesting trans-Atlantic trip could make for a fun story.

QuoteOr rather, they're getting impatient that their would-be champion,... GNU/Hurd-san,... seems to have no qualm about taking her sweet time. Even today, she's not finished. ^^;


I know...GNU/Hurd is almost like...a microscopic version of Multics or something. XD

QuoteWell,... she has the same philosphy,... AND SHE'S ALREADY AVAILABLE!
Hell yeah they're gonna take her in lieu of "the other one". ^^;

Given how spaced out GNU/Hurd-san is, I wouldn't be surprised if she never realized all her equipment was given away to a young pup. Certainly the GNU people weren't gonna tell her. ^^;


But then again, I don't think Linux-sama does have the same philosophy--not entirely, at least. The development surrounding Linux was always less ambitious and radical than the GNU side of things; I suppose Linux-sama would have always looked upon the GNU people as being a bit strange....in the best way, of course.

BTW, this chapter gives a pretty interesting history of the open source movement...

http://www.faqs.org/docs/artu/hackers.html

http://www.faqs.org/docs/artu/ch02s03.html

QuoteI'm thinking that Linux-sama was trained in physical and intellectual prowess, but Minix-sensei made absolutely sure NOT to show her any of the strong UNIX spells, to prevent the young Linux-chan from being targeted much more mercilessly by the Unix Family.


Exactly.

QuoteOn the other hand, all of the spells up until then were closely-guarded secrets, passed on carefully through the generations in a way that masters always reserved the best of spells for themselves. In that manner, the magic would get weaker and weaker over time.

The "new" magic that the GNU people show her is completely open and well-documented... which seemed weaker and harmless at first, but had the potential of getting strong and stronger over time.


Perfectly put! I hadn't thought of it like this.

QuoteKewl! This will be like Unix vs VMS all over again. ^__^

Only this time there's one clear advantage....

VMS-sama was powerful, but was also alone and demoralized.

Linux-sama, even then, was FAR from alone. She had friends,... LOTS and LOTS of friends,...
Setting aside the notion of Strength in Numbers, that also leads to very high morale, and, thanks to her philosphy, the "Moral High Ground". ^______^


Although there will be a fight between Linux-sama and those Unixes...I shan't disclose if the same will be said for her and Unix-sama.

QuoteAnd with one back-handed comment, you've finally answered the age-old question of why UNIX-sama likes Linux-sama so much. ^___^

But as you say...

shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.. ^.^


I think this is a good time to quote The Art of Unix Programming:

Many of the hacker community's senior leaders were also Unix old-timers, still bearing scars from the post-divestiture civil wars of the 1980s and getting behind Linux as the last, best hope to fulfill the rebel dreams of the early Unix days.


REALLLLLLY don't tell the Unixes this. @______________@


QuoteA little bit weak, but better conservative than over done. Overall, the panel is simple, but sets itself up for a very nice experiment in dynamism in the fourth panel, where you add that brilliant aura by UNIX-sama's hand, her cool pose, teh action lines, that blurring by her left leg, and the cool whipping (and steaming) of the incoming waves.

BTW, UNIX-sama looking pensive in panel 3 is kinda cute. ^__^


GAH! You just called the Goddess C-U-T-E-! Blasphemy! Sacrilege!

*hides in bomb shelter*

QuoteOh don't worry,... she does actually smiles quite a bit (certainly in recent times).


NO WAI! Makes sense, though, now that she's got more of the benevolent, cheery Linuxes around. Plus she's seeing her kind take back the market one teeny bit at a time...be it the Linuxes, the more popular Unixes, or the OS Xes :P

QuoteIt's just that... well,... you usually DON'T want to see her smile. ^^;

...

Unless you're Linux-sama or Amiga-sama or any other of her close friends,... it's.... kinda like the famous Kiss of Death. ^_____^;

If she's somber and/or indifferent, you're usually safe. ^^;

And by GAWD!! I love what you've done to the owl ears!! ^.^


*Note to self: Run if I see Unix-sama smiling*

I'll remember this.

QuoteWow! I never really pictured VMS-sama as a Bostonian until now. That's so cute. ^.^


For the record, I'm fluent in Bostonian. Pahk dha cahr in Ha'vaad yahd! We'ah going to the moudan, to have a wicked good time out hawsback ridin'!

QuoteWe should make a Vector Linux-chan and give her a heavy Canadian accent, now that you've got me all started up. ^___^


Sounds like a plan. Eh!

QuoteAnd a mighty beautiful Multics Staff at that, if that beautiful drawing is any indication! ^^

As always, uber-phenomenal work, Bella-hime!! ^___^


Thanks ^_^

Anyhow, I've been trying to think of where this VMS/Unix-sama comic should so. I was thinking...perhaps...BSD-chan will get a cameo...
Title: Bella's OS-tan Manga Thread
Post by: Bella on May 07, 2008, 04:28:44 pm
Page 14
(http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s320/BellasOS-tans/Copyofcomicpg14.png)

Notes: Yeah, I'm not so good at drawing fire. ^///^

Page 15
(http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s320/BellasOS-tans/Copyofcomicpg15.png)
Notes: Is VMS-sama a weakling, or is water just really heavy? I'll leave that up to the reader to decide.
Title: Bella's OS-tan Manga Thread
Post by: Aurora Borealis on May 07, 2008, 05:43:08 pm
The showdown continues! I don't think that VMS-san is a weakling. Water is heavy after all, weighing about 8 pounds per gallon (which really adds up quickly)!

Come on VMS-san! Don't give up! V-M-S! V-M-S!
Title: Bella's OS-tan Manga Thread
Post by: NejinOniwa on May 07, 2008, 05:58:07 pm
1 cubic meter of water (1x1x1) weighs rougly 1 ton, or 1000 kilograms. That's a LOT.
Title: Bella's OS-tan Manga Thread
Post by: Siya on May 07, 2008, 08:31:47 pm
I hate lifting water. D:
Title: Bella's OS-tan Manga Thread
Post by: Bella on May 11, 2008, 11:21:36 am
QuoteThe showdown continues! I don't think that VMS-san is a weakling. Water is heavy after all, weighing about 8 pounds per gallon (which really adds up quickly)!


Quote1 cubic meter of water (1x1x1) weighs rougly 1 ton, or 1000 kilograms. That's a LOT


QuoteI hate lifting water. D:


I see...so either VMS-san is really strong, or she has some sort of force helping her out.

QuoteCome on VMS-san! Don't give up! V-M-S! V-M-S!


Wait until she tries a spell Multics-sama taught her...then some folks are gonna get REALLY PO'd...
Title: Bella's OS-tan Manga Thread
Post by: Bella on May 13, 2008, 07:15:08 pm
As promised...

Page 16:

(http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s320/BellasOS-tans/comicpg16.png)

Notes: this spell VMS-sama is referencing is the "ring" spell.

Page 17:

(http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s320/BellasOS-tans/comicpg17A-1.png)

I is pure evil! A flashback-in-a-flashback! I will give you three guesses who that gorgeous winged sorceress is...

Notes: "your own mother is a fine geomancer" is a reference to RSX-san, who has a talent at controlling air.

Page 18:

(http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s320/BellasOS-tans/comicpg17B.png)

ZOMG Multics-sama! Wait, how did VMS-san and Multics-sama know each other...? There's one degree of separation between every OS-tan, I guess.
Title: Bella's OS-tan Manga Thread
Post by: Aurora Borealis on May 13, 2008, 10:20:07 pm
It's a triple feature!

Aw yeah, flashback to VMS-san learning of the ring spell from Multics-sama! (I'd also like to point out that the perspective on page 18 panel 2 is really nicely done!) Could the ring spell possibly be VMS-san's trump card against Unix? (that is, if done correctly)

Awaiting reactions from the Unices in 3... 2... 1...
Title: Bella's OS-tan Manga Thread
Post by: Alfamille on May 14, 2008, 04:03:44 pm
I believe this is the first time I've browsed this thread. Those comic pieces were good Bella!  Hope we see more. ;)
Title: Bella's OS-tan Manga Thread
Post by: Siya on May 15, 2008, 01:35:39 am
So, uhh...I don't get around to everybody's art threads as often as I should, but....I'm really enjoying your story, so far!  So, even though you might not always see me, know that I'm silently enjoying it every time you post something new. ^^;
Title: Bella's OS-tan Manga Thread
Post by: C-Chan on May 15, 2008, 01:41:09 am
Sorry, in the process of doing damage control to all my missing stuff.  Just dropped by to say "Hi", "OMG", "Swoon!!!!!!!" and all that jazz.  I'm going to enjoy SMOTHERING this thread with praise when I return.  ^__~
Title: Bella's OS-tan Manga Thread
Post by: Bella on May 15, 2008, 05:58:42 pm
In the immortal words of the infomercial industry, wait there's more:

Page 19:

(http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s320/BellasOS-tans/comicpg18.png)

Notes: So obviously, this took place after Multics-sama's fracas with Unix-sama. I guess it could be thought Multics-sama wanted to teach VMS-san this spell because she foresaw that this young cadet and her daughter would inevitably cross paths one day...

Page 20:

(http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s320/BellasOS-tans/comicpg19.png)

Notes: Yep, more fun with action lines. I hope the proportion in panel 4 doesn't look to screwy, I was being a bit lazy and didn't want to redo it.

Quoteit's a triple feature!

Aw yeah, flashback to VMS-san learning of the ring spell from Multics-sama! (I'd also like to point out that the perspective on page 18 panel 2 is really nicely done!)


I try to do some interesting perspective shots when I can...

QuoteCould the ring spell possibly be VMS-san's trump card against Unix? (that is, if done correctly)

Awaiting reactions from the Unices in 3... 2... 1...


Well...the ring spell probably would have been Multics-sama's (attempted) trump card against Unix-sama, but that didn't end up...so well...

QuoteI believe this is the first time I've browsed this thread. Those comic pieces were good Bella! Hope we see more.


Thank you! I'm sure we'll see more ;)

QuoteSo, uhh...I don't get around to everybody's art threads as often as I should, but....I'm really enjoying your story, so far! So, even though you might not always see me, know that I'm silently enjoying it every time you post something new. ^^;


No problem! I'm glad you've had the chance to check it out :D
Title: Bella's OS-tan Manga Thread
Post by: Kami-Tux on May 16, 2008, 04:43:16 pm
Quote from: "Bella"
-Around 1993: We see the GNU people--a group of rather socialist, hippie types, determined to bring about a widespread renaissance of the freedom they lost in the early 1980s--having a discussion about the future of their group. They have plans for the OS-tan that'll lead their mission, and have already prepared everything she'll need: her outfit, weapons, the "sourcery", and a group of program-tans to assist her. All would be well, except they have yet to create this "GNU-sama".

Linux-sama follows the directions on the note, and stumbles upon the GNU people. She tells them ITS-san sent her, and much to their amazement, they realize that Linux-sama could work in lieu of their own "GNU-sama".

-After convincing Linux-sama that she could work as the leader of their grandiose crusade for freedom, the GNU people somehow endow her (through some highly ceremonious ritual of magic) with the open sourcery she uses today. Whether they merely summon some power she had all along, or imprint upon her a form of magic originally designed for their own OS-tan, I'm unsure of.


First of all: the entire story sounds _doubleplusawesome_!

I think the hippies of the GNU-project don't only invoke already existing magic but imprint on her the magic, rms designed for the GNU-project: The GPL. Early versions of Linux were in a proprietary license, which basically made commercial use but even getting a compensation for the medium, Linux was on impossible. The GPL allowed it for people to get compensated for sharing which was an important step for her.
Title: Bella's OS-tan Manga Thread
Post by: Bella on May 16, 2008, 06:42:51 pm
QuoteFirst of all: the entire story sounds _doubleplusawesome_!


Thank you. I hope I can work on this comic after my current one is done.

Speaking of which, I see your working on a comic of your own!

QuoteI think the hippies of the GNU-project don't only invoke already existing magic but imprint on her the magic, rms designed for the GNU-project: The GPL. Early versions of Linux were in a proprietary license, which basically made commercial use but even getting a compensation for the medium, Linux was on impossible. The GPL allowed it for people to get compensated for sharing which was an important step for her


This is what I was leaning toward, too. Because Linux was but a kernel until the GNU project gave it all software that made it a true OS.

But, I read the early Linux was shared-source...
Title: Bella's OS-tan Manga Thread
Post by: C-Chan on May 19, 2008, 01:18:16 am
I have something a little better than a swoon tonight....

How about.... the first baby steps towards a fulfilled promise?  ^^'

(http://ostan-collections.net/imeeji/albums/userpics/10570/dragonflybsd-head.png)

All this fine art of yours has inspired me to try and get it together.  You really should consider posting the sketches, so that everyone can see who was responsible for this lovely young maiden's character design.  ^.^

I'll say more later....

*fops on keyboard*
Title: Bella's OS-tan Manga Thread
Post by: Aurora Borealis on May 19, 2008, 01:30:49 am
Very nice! I especially like how you did the eyes! The green+orange hair is unique and actually works well together! :D
Title: Bella's OS-tan Manga Thread
Post by: Darknight_88 on May 19, 2008, 02:08:04 am
Just saw this in the recently uploaded box...


Not intending to spoil the fun of this thread, but this was the first thing that came to my mind...
(http://img167.imageshack.us/img167/6264/20070122prayingmantisinty1.jpg)


Those hair flocks could kill someone >_>

srsly.
Title: Bella's OS-tan Manga Thread
Post by: C-Chan on May 19, 2008, 03:29:52 pm
Ooooh,... soooo close....  But.... wrong insect.   ;079

(http://www.free-nature-photos.org/fotodb/8_dragonfly_summer.jpg)

And yeah, those things are INDEED lethal,... but fortunately for you, she's a rabid, stalker fangirl rather than a vicious psycho killer.  ^v^'

QuoteVery nice! I especially like how you did the eyes! The green+orange hair is unique and actually works well together!


Thank you Aurora.  Lately I've had the urge to play a lot with hair,... single-colored hair is SOOOO 1990's, after all....  `v'

In any event, time to write my response to Bella's epic winnage.  ^^

*starts typing*

Added after 5 hours 2 minutes:

=====================

Okay and now,... the long awaited response.  ^^

=====================

QuoteYeah, something like that; somehow I think she'd be one of the most affected by the Unix wars out of the whole family. Psychologically, of course, but maybe even physically (lemme put it this way--she wasn't born with that silvery white hair)


Oh noes!  I'm already fresh out of tears,... while I have enough to mourn the trials and tribulations of my beloved Plan9-sama?  ;@o@;

QuoteOh yeah, Solaris and BSD-sama are going to be in on this fracas as well. Maybe even Minix-sensei, who'll bring her own sense of blunt truthfulness to the table.


Yeah, I reckon Minix-sensei is kind of like a miniature version of UNIX-sama, given that she has no love for bull,... "biscuits"....  ^^

QuoteWaaah! Nope, Kino's Journey is still on my to-watch list  


Oh for sure, bump that up on your to-watch list.  I did the same when you recommended Full Metal Alchemist, after all....  ^__~

QuoteCause the current time is set in 1997, I don't think any of them (save SUSE) existed than.


Sorry, keep thinking in terms of "present day" being now, not '97.

QuoteSpeaking of strange characters she may have encountered, I almost wonder if the CIOST had their submarine HQ yet (probably not, I think). Them giving Linux-sama an interesting trans-Atlantic trip could make for a fun story.


Nope, but doesn't stop VMS-sama from having a boat or something.  All the others, save perhaps for VxWorks-san, are land-luvers.  ^^'

QuoteI know...GNU/Hurd is almost like...a microscopic version of Multics or something. XD


In terms of power, yes.... cause I don't think she's that small.  ^__~

QuoteBut then again, I don't think Linux-sama does have the same philosophy--not entirely, at least. The development surrounding Linux was always less ambitious and radical than the GNU side of things; I suppose Linux-sama would have always looked upon the GNU people as being a bit strange....in the best way, of course.


Sorry, my mistake.  ^^
Might actually make for a more balanced "hero" character, since she's a bit unwilling in that respect.  It's not like a virtuous, heroic "paladin" that's uniformly boring and one-sided.  ^^;

QuotePerfectly put! I hadn't thought of it like this.


Well I think about it this way:

You have a health potion that requires "Eye of Newt", so it's very hard to get and expensive, making it an item that is rare and mainly reserved for an elite class.  But if the makers "publish" the schematics of this potion, everyone interested can learn WHY "Eye of Newt" is such a vital component to the spell.  That way, an alchemist can analyze it and suggest replacing it with Saltpeter instead, which is more plentiful and perhaps even more powerful.  But even if it's weaker, having the ability to create 1000 20HP potions rather than 10 50HP potions already becomes a decisive advantage.

That's only one simple suggestion,... so you can only wonder how much more the potion can be enhanced now that everyone can read and contribute their ideas to it.

QuoteAlthough there will be a fight between Linux-sama and those Unixes...I shan't disclose if the same will be said for her and Unix-sama.


Certainly by then, UNIX-sama will have had her change of heart, formented more by seeing the young "doppleganger" live the life she yearned for.

Quote
Many of the hacker community's senior leaders were also Unix old-timers, still bearing scars from the post-divestiture civil wars of the 1980s and getting behind Linux as the last, best hope to fulfill the rebel dreams of the early Unix days.

REALLLLLLY don't tell the Unixes this. @______________@


Case in point.  ^.^

QuoteFor the record, I'm fluent in Bostonian. Pahk dha cahr in Ha'vaad yahd! We'ah going to the moudan, to have a wicked good time out hawsback ridin'!


..................................................... @@;

*hides*  Bella-hime's SCARING me!!  ;^0^;

*curls into a ball and squirms in a corner*

QuoteSounds like a plan. Eh!


Ahhh,... that's more like it, eh.  ^__^

Let's ask IceLilly-san all ah-boot Canadian accents, eh.  ^.^

Speaking of which, how in the world would we even start to draw a VectorLinux-tan, eh?  Â¬Â¬'

QuotePage 14

Notes: Yeah, I'm not so good at drawing fire. ^///^


Well... I'm actually too busy drooling at the skirt folds to notice.  *lecherous chuckle*  ^3^

Yeah, UNIX-sama is definitely hitting below the belt here.  ^.^
I adore the expression on VMS-sama's face,... a mixture of youthful insecurity with seething anger.

QuotePage 15

Notes: Is VMS-sama a weakling, or is water just really heavy? I'll leave that up to the reader to decide.


Well,... given I spent the last few weeks BUILDING A FREAKIN' LAKE........  Yeah, I would have to concur that water is damn heavy. ^^
Especially if it's soaked inside dirt to become mud.  ^___^'

Points of interest:  
UNIX-sama hurling the fireball,... it's times like these I'm glad I gave her owl ears.  ^.^
VMS-sama in Panel 3:  looking cute even while putting up a last-minute defense.  ^___^

QuoteI see...so either VMS-san is really strong, or she has some sort of force helping her out.


Well yeah, with magic or alchemy, they have to be able to have the natural elements "move" by themselves.  Otherwise, she'd never be able to physically lift that much stuff, much like Edward wouldn't be able to pull whole pillars of rock from the ground.  ^^'

QuoteWait until she tries a spell Multics-sama taught her...then some folks are gonna get REALLY PO'd...


Eeep!  @@

QuotePage 16:
Notes: this spell VMS-sama is referencing is the "ring" spell.


Panel 2:  Fufu,... VMS-sama literally just "drops" a whole ton of water over the younger-looking girl.  ^^;
Panel 3:  And certainly, it's not every day that you see UNIX-sama on the defensive.  After this comic, we have to vow to gauge our eyes out, and never speak of it again.  ^____^;

QuotePage 17:

I is pure evil! A flashback-in-a-flashback! I will give you three guesses who that gorgeous winged sorceress is...

Notes: "your own mother is a fine geomancer" is a reference to RSX-san, who has a talent at controlling air.


Wow, you're on a roll here!  Pretty soon you're going to finish this comic, and have done a DAMN good job with it!  ^-^

PANEL 1:  Have to love that gorgeous close-up.  ^-^
PANEL 2:  MULTICS-SAMA!!!!!!!!  ^v^
And Mellowed-Out Multics-sama too,... Not that she wouldn't have seen VMS-sama in her heyday, given how much prestige RSX-sama had,... but still....
This is just brilliant casting.  ^__^

QuotePage 18:

ZOMG Multics-sama! Wait, how did VMS-san and Multics-sama know each other...? There's one degree of separation between every OS-tan, I guess.


PANEL 1:  ZOMG!!  An even YOUNGER VMS-sama!!  @v@
Funny how in that shot she looks a lot more like NT-san than ever.  Tres cute!!  ^___^b
PANEL 2:  Is it my imagination, or did we go overboard with hair bangs in our characters?  Seems almost all of them have them (as they're a great way to hide ears).  ^.^

No problem, though, as it does help enhance her "greatness".
PANEL 3:  I'm actually glad you used a lot of Indian elements in Multics-sama's attire.  The jewelry in her hand certainly helps accentuate her "sorceress"-look.  ^^

QuoteIn the immortal words of the infomercial industry, wait there's more:


I'll get not one, but TWO UNIX-samas?!!  @v@

*fantasizes about UNIX-sama holding hands with C-One-tan in UNIX-sama emulation mode, both dressed in goth girl outfits with lots of ribbons and Mary Jane shoes*

Oh noes,... now I have Captainitis....  ^^;

*doses self with petrol and lights self on fire*

Gaaaaaaaaaah!  GAAAAAAAAAAAAAH!!  ;^0^;

QuotePage 19:

Notes: So obviously, this took place after Multics-sama's fracas with Unix-sama. I guess it could be thought Multics-sama wanted to teach VMS-san this spell because she foresaw that this young cadet and her daughter would inevitably cross paths one day...


Indeed,... Multics-sama has always been keen at foresight, more so as she got older.  ^^

PANEL 1:  Yeah!  More cute youthful VMS-sama!!  ^0^

*douses self with crazy glue and latches onto her*

Mine!!  All mine!!! None for you!!!  ^-^

...

Oh wait,... Crazy glue isn't a smart thing to put on when you're burning, right?  ^^;

*ignites into chemical inferno*

GAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH!!!!!!!!  GAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH!!!!!!!!  ;^0^;

PANEL 2:  Funny how Multics-sama seems to grow prettier as she becomes older and poorer.  ^__^
I love the dignified yet sad expression you gave her!  And the jewelry,... by GAWD, she still has lots of it.... ^__~

PANEL 3:  NOOOOOOOOOOOES!!!!  I'm so sorry, MULTICS-sama!  If not for my sadistic imagination, that wouldn't have happend to you!!  ^0^

*throws self in industrial vat of lard as punishment*

....


Wait a sec,.... is this where I want to be when I'm walking around with a raging chemical fire?!!!  @___@

*BOOM!!!!!!!!!!*

QuotePage 20:
Notes: Yep, more fun with action lines. I hope the proportion in panel 4 doesn't look to screwy, I was being a bit lazy and didn't want to redo it.


You've done really well with action lines, and no Panel 4 is fine.  ^^
Given you did 20 pages in so little time, you have to be commended for the brilliant accomplishments rather than nitpick about the small details.  ^__^

And UNIX-sama's expression in Panel 2,... Visa-grade priceless.  A healthy shock of recognition and anger.  ^____^

And you just have to love how this young cadet tries so hard against disparate odds,... that alone should cement her future as one of the most powerful OS-tans to walk the earth. ^^
Title: Bella's OS-tan Manga Thread
Post by: Bella on May 19, 2008, 07:35:23 pm
QuoteAll this fine art of yours has inspired me to try and get it together. You really should consider posting the sketches, so that everyone can see who was responsible for this lovely young maiden's character design. ^.^


Awesome, what a surprise! I'm LOVING her hair, and her eyes are great, too! :D

And I will post the sketches, maybe in my artwork thread.

QuoteAnd yeah, those things are INDEED lethal,... but fortunately for you, she's a rabid, stalker fangirl rather than a vicious psycho killer. ^v^'


Hey, look Dragonfly BSD-chan...AMIGA-SAMA'S OVER THERE!

QuoteOh noes! I'm already fresh out of tears,... while I have enough to mourn the trials and tribulations of my beloved Plan9-sama? ;@o@;


I have to figure out what she'd look like in my comic; she'd be younger, of course, and maybe have longer, darker hair.

QuoteYeah, I reckon Minix-sensei is kind of like a miniature version of UNIX-sama, given that she has no love for bull,... "biscuits".... ^^


She's doesn't even mince words with Linux-san; least we forget the microkernel/monolithic kernel brouhaha. Hawh, I wonder how we can fit this into the comic...

QuoteOh for sure, bump that up on your to-watch list. I did the same when you recommended Full Metal Alchemist, after all.... ^__~


It's been bumped up. Over the weekend I got to watch a bit of Neon Genesis Evangelion, and...yay...I watched up to episode 11 of Kino's Journey!

What a long, strange, existential, postmodern art-house odyssey it has been so far. I'm still trying to figure out the deep symbolism of some of the episodes @.@


QuoteSorry, keep thinking in terms of "present day" being now, not '97.


Or, perhaps, the storyline set in 1997 will be a flash-forward. I dunno, the first few "chapters" I may mostly stick to the early storyline...or even forgo the 1997 storyline (if I think it'll disrupt the main story too much)

QuoteNope, but doesn't stop VMS-sama from having a boat or something. All the others, save perhaps for VxWorks-san, are land-luvers. ^^'


You just read my mind! I thought of a fun little story where VMS-sama has a rather rickety sailboat. She gives Linux-chan a ride on when she discovers the girl has run low on funds and cannot afford a ship ticket. Along the way, Linux-sama's affinity for spears will be explained ;)

I don't know who else may be on the boat, though...maybe just one or two other CIOST members.

QuoteIn terms of power, yes.... cause I don't think she's that small. ^__~


I mean to say, both projects were very ambitious and their developers perhaps got a bit ahead of themselves; luckily, for the GNU developers, Linux came along...

QuoteSorry, my mistake. ^^
Might actually make for a more balanced "hero" character, since she's a bit unwilling in that respect. It's not like a virtuous, heroic "paladin" that's uniformly boring and one-sided. ^^;


'Zackly. Linux-sama has always been on the moderate, level-headed side, I think.


QuoteWell I think about it this way:

You have a health potion that requires "Eye of Newt", so it's very hard to get and expensive, making it an item that is rare and mainly reserved for an elite class. But if the makers "publish" the schematics of this potion, everyone interested can learn WHY "Eye of Newt" is such a vital component to the spell. That way, an alchemist can analyze it and suggest replacing it with Saltpeter instead, which is more plentiful and perhaps even more powerful. But even if it's weaker, having the ability to create 1000 20HP potions rather than 10 50HP potions already becomes a decisive advantage.

That's only one simple suggestion,... so you can only wonder how much more the potion can be enhanced now that everyone can read and contribute their ideas to it.


Even better explained ^_^

QuoteCertainly by then, UNIX-sama will have had her change of heart, formented more by seeing the young "doppleganger" live the life she yearned for.


Drats, you've spoiled it! But Linux-sama, of course, doesn't know this at the time and thinks she's incurred the wrath of Unix-sama O___O


Quote..................................................... @@;

*hides* Bella-hime's SCARING me!! ;^0^;

*curls into a ball and squirms in a corner*


Wha? Ya gotta problem with tha Bahstonian accent?


QuoteAhhh,... that's more like it, eh. ^__^

Let's ask IceLilly-san all ah-boot Canadian accents, eh. ^.^

Speaking of which, how in the world would we even start to draw a VectorLinux-tan, eh? ¬¬'


I think a VectorLinux-tan would be best made in Inkscape. Eh? Get it?


QuoteWell yeah, with magic or alchemy, they have to be able to have the natural elements "move" by themselves. Otherwise, she'd never be able to physically lift that much stuff, much like Edward wouldn't be able to pull whole pillars of rock from the ground. ^


But I think this differs with the skill of the person in question. I really good alchemist or sorcerer could quite effortlessly move them around, whereas a less skilled one...may have more problems.
Quote

Panel 2: Fufu,... VMS-sama literally just "drops" a whole ton of water over the younger-looking girl. ^^;
Panel 3: And certainly, it's not every day that you see UNIX-sama on the defensive. After this comic, we have to vow to gauge our eyes out, and never speak of it again. ^____^;


Ah, it was a diferent time! Unix-sama was not even a decade old at this point ^_^


QuoteWow, you're on a roll here! Pretty soon you're going to finish this comic, and have done a DAMN good job with it! ^-^

PANEL 1: Have to love that gorgeous close-up. ^-^
PANEL 2: MULTICS-SAMA!!!!!!!! ^v^
And Mellowed-Out Multics-sama too,... Not that she wouldn't have seen VMS-sama in her heyday, given how much prestige RSX-sama had,... but still....
This is just brilliant casting. ^__^


Yeah, I figured I could get a bit interesting with the casting and all. Makes for a more interesting story.

QuotePANEL 2: Is it my imagination, or did we go overboard with hair bangs in our characters? Seems almost all of them have them (as they're a great way to hide ears). ^.^

No problem, though, as it does help enhance her "greatness".


Sounds bout right...:P

QuoteI'll get not one, but TWO UNIX-samas?!! @v@

*fantasizes about UNIX-sama holding hands with C-One-tan in UNIX-sama emulation mode, both dressed in goth girl outfits with lots of ribbons and Mary Jane shoes*

Oh noes,... now I have Captainitis.... ^^;

*doses self with petrol and lights self on fire*

Gaaaaaaaaaah! GAAAAAAAAAAAAAH!! ;^0^;



*Mmmmm...gothic Unix-samas....*

*Thinks about Unix-sama and C-One-tan in Unix-sama emulation mode dressed in emo outfits...*

Oh man, now I know what Slackware-chan's daydreaming about when she gets that far-off look in her eyes...


QuoteIndeed,... Multics-sama has always been keen at foresight, more so as she got older. ^^


Unfortunetly, a lot of her wisdom came thought really bad experiences -__-


QuotePANEL 2: Funny how Multics-sama seems to grow prettier as she becomes older and poorer. ^__^


Ah, like a fine wine....

QuoteI love the dignified yet sad expression you gave her! And the jewelry,... by GAWD, she still has lots of it.... ^__~

PANEL 3: NOOOOOOOOOOOES!!!! I'm so sorry, MULTICS-sama! If not for my sadistic imagination, that wouldn't have happend to you!! ^0^

*throws self in industrial vat of lard as punishment*

....


Wait a sec,.... is this where I want to be when I'm walking around with a raging chemical fire?!!! @___@

*BOOM!!!!!!!!!!*


Just, for the record, I seriously lol'd while reading this XD


QuoteYou've done really well with action lines, and no Panel 4 is fine. ^^
Given you did 20 pages in so little time, you have to be commended for the brilliant accomplishments rather than nitpick about the small details. ^__^

And UNIX-sama's expression in Panel 2,... Visa-grade priceless. A healthy shock of recognition and anger. ^____^

And you just have to love how this young cadet tries so hard against disparate odds,... that alone should cement her future as one of the most powerful OS-tans to walk the earth. ^^


Thank you! And yes, VMS-sama may have gained the upper hand for a moment...but never fear, Unix-sama is gonna get on top of the situation soon (kinda, sorta, literally. XD)
Title: Bella's OS-tan Manga Thread
Post by: Kami-Tux on May 20, 2008, 06:21:28 pm
Quote from: "Bella"
QuoteFirst of all: the entire story sounds _doubleplusawesome_!


Thank you. I hope I can work on this comic after my current one is done.

Speaking of which, I see your working on a comic of your own!

I do. I made an Integer Life (http://ostan-collections.net/topic-819.html) thread in General (IL is not OStan-based) in case anyone wants to comment..

Quote
QuoteI think the hippies of the GNU-project don't only invoke already existing magic but imprint on her the magic, rms designed for the GNU-project: The GPL. Early versions of Linux were in a proprietary license, which basically made commercial use but even getting a compensation for the medium, Linux was on impossible. The GPL allowed it for people to get compensated for sharing which was an important step for her


This is what I was leaning toward, too. Because Linux was but a kernel until the GNU project gave it all software that made it a true OS.

The GNU software already existed. Linus first used it under Minix and eventually ported it bit by bit to Linux.

QuoteBut, I read the early Linux was shared-source...

Indeed. But Linus considered it the best idea in the development of Linux to GPL it.
Title: Bella's OS-tan Manga Thread
Post by: Bella on May 24, 2008, 02:32:26 pm
QuoteI do. I made an Integer Life thread in General (IL is not OStan-based) in case anyone wants to comment..


Ah, I saw this....good job!

Anyhoo...

Page 21:

(http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s320/BellasOS-tans/comicpg20.png)

Notes: not much to say here, VMS-sama finally has her rings up and running, Unix-sama is....proceeding with caution.

Page 22:

(http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s320/BellasOS-tans/comicpg21.png)

Notes: Sacrilege! Blasphemy! Sacrilege! Apparently, Unix-sama does need to exercise some degree of control over her forcefield, otherwise it'll break. In her defense, though, the last person who fought her using a ring spell was Multics-sama, so it's understandable that she'd be a bit freaked out...

Page 23:

(http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s320/BellasOS-tans/comicpg22.png)

Notes: Look at that sprightly, opportunistic expression on VMS-sama's face! Meanwhile, Unix-sama is trying to get that forcefield back...don't ask what the "vrrrrrrr" noise is. I have no idea (but...I suppose it has to do with re-generating the forcefield).

Page 24:

(http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s320/BellasOS-tans/comicpg23.png)

Notes: That "booom" comes from the sudden change in air temperature caused by the forcefield being generated (think, how lightning causes the air to be heated resulting in a crack of thunder). In panel 2, that's supposed to be a shockwave, as evidenced by VMS-sama being knocked onto her butt in the next panel :P

Oh yeah, now Unix-sama is pissed O___O

In other news, I've been spending my rather dull afternoon working a bit on a picture with two antique OS-tans that I have yet to vector sketch. Can't say more than that, though. Okay fine it's ITS-san and CTSS-sama.

And I finished watching Kino's Journey. Oh...wow...that was a really strange but great show. Definitely one of my favorites! (I say that for about every show I watch...because I don't give much time to shows I dislike. Lawl.)
Title: Bella's OS-tan Manga Thread
Post by: Kami-Tux on May 24, 2008, 04:52:37 pm
Wow! This penguin is amazed! The characters look really realistic!
Title: Bella's OS-tan Manga Thread
Post by: Aurora Borealis on May 25, 2008, 03:02:44 pm
This is epic! Even though VMS-san's ring attack was not totally an ace in the hole like I thought it would be, it at least saved her from getting scorched by Unix's firey fury! (For now at least...)
Title: Bella's OS-tan Manga Thread
Post by: C-Chan on May 25, 2008, 10:40:42 pm
Yo Bella-hime!  I'm back again, and ready for my periodic postings.  ^.^

QuoteAwesome, what a surprise! I'm LOVING her hair, and her eyes are great, too!

And I will post the sketches, maybe in my artwork thread.


Oh,... and that reminds me.  I have to do my 10% tonight,... haven't touched anything art-related at all this week, aside from graphics for a cool new installer I'm building from scratch.  ^___^

QuoteHey, look Dragonfly BSD-chan...AMIGA-SAMA'S OVER THERE!


*sonic boom shudders the canyon walls*

Whoops,... guess she flew on out of there.  ^.^;

Course,... I wonder how long it will take her to realize just where "there" is.  When in pursuit of Amiga-sama, she tends to not think things,... very,... clearly.... ^^;

QuoteI have to figure out what she'd look like in my comic; she'd be younger, of course, and maybe have longer, darker hair.


In other words,... she'd be the spitting image of UNIX-sama, but with cute floppy bunny years.  Dear GAWDS, you're trying to smother me with cute, aren't ya?!  `v'

QuoteWhat a long, strange, existential, postmodern art-house odyssey it has been so far. I'm still trying to figure out the deep symbolism of some of the episodes @.@


You mean shooting a bunny rabbit with a laserscope silencer is a metaphor for something?!  @__@

... j/k j/k.  ^^'

Now, I definitely did enjoy the very "Aesop fables" and "Little Prince"-like qualities of the series.  I definitely liked Kino's origin (in the land of Instant-Adults), although one of the OVAs go further in depth regarding how cute-little-girl Kino turns into stoic-Motorad-driving-Pursueader-wielding-traveler Kino.  `v'

QuoteYou just read my mind! I thought of a fun little story where VMS-sama has a rather rickety sailboat. She gives Linux-chan a ride on when she discovers the girl has run low on funds and cannot afford a ship ticket. Along the way, Linux-sama's affinity for spears will be explained


Fufu!  That would be a riot!  ^v^
Course,... the fact that VMS-sama would still be shaken and stirred about NT-chan,... outta make for some very interesting quips.... ^.^

Oh, and of course,... Linux-sama's ability to work wonders even in crappy environments is legendary.

QuoteI don't know who else may be on the boat, though...maybe just one or two other CIOST members.


VxWorks-tan would've made a great first-time friend to VMS-sama (notwithstanding their similar names), and certainly would've been adventurous-enough to ride on such a death-trap.  

She was born in 1985, so would've been relatively seasoned-enough by then to offer council to VMS-sama, as well as tacit guidance to the young traveler Linux-sama.  ^^

QuoteDrats, you've spoiled it! But Linux-sama, of course, doesn't know this at the time and thinks she's incurred the wrath of Unix-sama O___O


All the more reason to comfront the UNIX strike force with ZOUNDS upon ZOUNDS of Linux distros (or at least as many as you can scrounge around in 1997...)!  ^.^

QuoteI think a VectorLinux-tan would be best made in Inkscape. Eh? Get it?


Actually no, eh....
But I'll nod politely, eh.  ^___^;

QuoteAh, it was a diferent time! Unix-sama was not even a decade old at this point


Tell that to VMS-sama, who's practically a little pup in that comic.  ^.^

I imagine that if it were modern-day VMS-sama in her place, even UNIX-sama would not stand a chance.  Not trying to be blasphemous,.. just adhering to some very simple and very troubling statistics... ¬.¬'

....

BTW, if I get crushed by a pair of flying boots again, do take over my life's work for me.  ^__^'

Quote*Mmmmm...gothic Unix-samas....*

*Thinks about Unix-sama and C-One-tan in Unix-sama emulation mode dressed in emo outfits...*

Oh man, now I know what Slackware-chan's daydreaming about when she gets that far-off look in her eyes...


Oh noes!  Does this mean that Slackware-tan is actually a "geezer"?! @____@'
[sorry,... vague reference to Zettai Karen Children]

This can't end well,.. now wonder she gets beat on a lot.  ^^;

*very slowly and casually inches a few feet away from her*

QuoteIndeed. But Linus considered it the best idea in the development of Linux to GPL it.


Having read the GNU General Public License (version 3) thoroughly myself, I do agree it is a very beneficial document.  Especially for someone like me who abandons projects left and right, it enables someone else to assist me in building/testing it in exchange for free and fair use of my creation.  The same was the case with the old EeePCLOS Zenity installer we chipped in to build, and hopefully it'll be the case for my new Xdialog one.  ^^

I'm not really concerned with the "losing money" part, since I make money from the products that are built, assembled and distributed efficently and cost-effectively thanks to F/OSS software.  `v'

QuotePage 21:

Notes: not much to say here, VMS-sama finally has her rings up and running, Unix-sama is....proceeding with caution.


WOOHOO!!!!!!!  Another COMIC BARRAGE by BELLA-HIME!!!!  Where does she get this untapped source of precious Win?  ^v^

The panels here are mostly movement, so can't really comment much aside from VMS-sama's cute expressions (especially that WTF-look in Panel 2), and the fact that UNIX-sama almost looks like she's tip-toeing there.  ^.^

QuotePage 22:
Notes: Sacrilege! Blasphemy! Sacrilege! Apparently, Unix-sama does need to exercise some degree of control over her forcefield, otherwise it'll break. In her defense, though, the last person who fought her using a ring spell was Multics-sama, so it's understandable that she'd be a bit freaked out...


GAAAAAH!!! A shocked UNIX-sama!  Enough that you can clearly see the Bell Labs logos in her eyes!  @v@

Plus a very awesome flashback appearance of a peak-power Multics-sama.  ^___^

And some [dare I say it] "moe" shots of the goddess struggling to keep her forcefield.  ^^

Suddenly I feel the urge to call up C-One-chan, and mail order some goth girl dresses.  ^3^

QuotePage 23:

Notes: Look at that sprightly, opportunistic expression on VMS-sama's face! Meanwhile, Unix-sama is trying to get that forcefield back...don't ask what the "vrrrrrrr" noise is. I have no idea (but...I suppose it has to do with re-generating the forcefield).


And a very lovely way you drew said sprightly, opportunistic expression as well.  ^^
I take it though this was a tactical mistake on her part, as she forfeited her near-impenetrable defensive stance all for the sake of a quick bit of offense.  Very dangerous considering UNIX-sama is a master of defense herself.  ^^

Still,... can't blame the poor girl,....
I mean imagine the fame she would've gotten had she inadvertently vanquished UNIX-sama?  If not for the fact the heights are reversed, it'd have been a modern day David & Goliath.  ^^;

Oh, and what's that "vrrrrr" sound?  ^.^

BWAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!!!!  ^V^

QuotePage 24:

Notes: That "booom" comes from the sudden change in air temperature caused by the forcefield being generated (think, how lightning causes the air to be heated resulting in a crack of thunder). In panel 2, that's supposed to be a shockwave, as evidenced by VMS-sama being knocked onto her butt in the next panel :P


Yep,... just as I thought.  ^__~

But we have to give credit where credit was due,.. unlike RSTS-san, she actually DID have a fighting chance.  She just ended up being too young is all,... ¯v¯

With the goddes in control, things should be back to normal though....  ^___^

QuoteOh yeah, now Unix-sama is pissed O___O


...or not.  ^_________^;

QuoteIn other news, I've been spending my rather dull afternoon working a bit on a picture with two antique OS-tans that I have yet to vector sketch. Can't say more than that, though. Okay fine it's ITS-san and CTSS-sama.


Kewlness!  ^V^
And with Kino's Journey all but watched, you might have more ideas regarding ITS-san.  ^__^

BTW, what's the new animal you have queued up for CTSS-sama?  ^.^

QuoteAnd I finished watching Kino's Journey. Oh...wow...that was a really strange but great show. Definitely one of my favorites! (I say that for about every show I watch...because I don't give much time to shows I dislike. Lawl.)


Great job!  ^V^
Now that you're done,.. tell me just how much our crazy-kooky OS-tan world resembles Kino's arthouse of a world, where you can travel to a medieval town one day, and an ultra high-tech city the next.  ^.^
Title: Bella's OS-tan Manga Thread
Post by: NejinOniwa on May 26, 2008, 09:42:33 am
QuoteYo Bella-hime! I'm back again, and ready for my periodic postings. ^.^

If C-Chan was periodic...that'd be one fscked up sine curve... õ_Õ
Title: Bella's OS-tan Manga Thread
Post by: Bella on May 26, 2008, 04:32:46 pm
QuoteWow! This penguin is amazed! The characters look really realistic!


QuoteThis is epic! Even though VMS-san's ring attack was not totally an ace in the hole like I thought it would be, it at least saved her from getting scorched by Unix's firey fury! (For now at least...)


Thanks! I'm happy all y'all are liking this comic!

QuoteOh,... and that reminds me. I have to do my 10% tonight,... haven't touched anything art-related at all this week, aside from graphics for a cool new installer I'm building from scratch. ^___^


Ooooh...


Quote*sonic boom shudders the canyon walls*

Whoops,... guess she flew on out of there. ^.^;

Course,... I wonder how long it will take her to realize just where "there" is. When in pursuit of Amiga-sama, she tends to not think things,... very,... clearly.... ^^;


Ah, the insanity of a raving fangirl...


QuoteIn other words,... she'd be the spitting image of UNIX-sama, but with cute floppy bunny years. Dear GAWDS, you're trying to smother me with cute, aren't ya?! `v'


Not quite. She'll also be much more disheveled and a great deal more...manic (over just being more or less kicked out of her family and having all her faith in them shattered and stuff. Not a good time for her).

QuoteYou mean shooting a bunny rabbit with a laserscope silencer is a metaphor for something?! @__@


Oh yeah. I remember you warned me about that. Luckily, Lost has desensitized me to bunny related violence (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=68w2CU3nmqQ&feature=related). XD

Quote... j/k j/k. ^^'

Now, I definitely did enjoy the very "Aesop fables" and "Little Prince"-like qualities of the series. I definitely liked Kino's origin (in the land of Instant-Adults), although one of the OVAs go further in depth regarding how cute-little-girl Kino turns into stoic-Motorad-driving-Pursueader-wielding-traveler Kino. `v'


Yeah...that fourth episode was pretty interesting, but also very strange. My favorites, however...were probably the "Land of Wizards" and "Land of Books" (ep. 8 and 9)

I also recalled you compared this series to Haibane Renmei as far as both being quite deep and psychological...

-Kino's Journey had a young woman addicted to traveling, girls with guns and ammo, a talking motorrad, and surrealistic places and people.

-Haibane Renmei had a young woman addicted to chain smoking, girls with wings and halos, a well-used motorped, and a walled-up city and townspeople.

Haha...:P


QuoteFufu! That would be a riot! ^v^
Course,... the fact that VMS-sama would still be shaken and stirred about NT-chan,... outta make for some very interesting quips.... ^.^


Speaking of that...instead of having a storyline about Linux-sama's early days, and one showing her time with the Unixes...I might just Linux-sama's early storyline, and then show "flashbacks" from characters she encounters...and how they ended up on the path that led them to her (kinda hard to explain clearly).

This way, I'll be able to explore the backstories of several OS-tans; like VMS-sama learning of her "clone", NT-san, Plan 9-san rebelling from her family and leaving, and some of ITS-san's adventures as an "over the hill" OS-tan in a modern age. I tend to tire a bit from spending too much time with one character...so this could make it a little more interesting.

I just hope I can...muster...enough...sap!


QuoteVxWorks-tan would've made a great first-time friend to VMS-sama (notwithstanding their similar names), and certainly would've been adventurous-enough to ride on such a death-trap.

She was born in 1985, so would've been relatively seasoned-enough by then to offer council to VMS-sama, as well as tacit guidance to the young traveler Linux-sama. ^^


Ah, good idea! That would be a hoot, for both VMS-sama and VxWorks-tan would have their dreams of someday having a better craft to travel in...a submarine for one, a spaceship for the other ^_^


QuoteAll the more reason to comfront the UNIX strike force with ZOUNDS upon ZOUNDS of Linux distros (or at least as many as you can scrounge around in 1997...)! ^.^


Perhaps...wait and see...;)


QuoteActually no, eh....
But I'll nod politely, eh. ^___^;


Eh? VectorLinux-tan being made in a Vector graphics program...?

While we're talking about Canadian stereotypes...I just have to share this golden little quote from a friend of mine

Me: Well, old systems can still be of use; the Canadian Department of Defense ran Multics until 2000.
Friend: Yeah, but this is Canada we're talking about. Their park rangers still ride horses!


QuoteTell that to VMS-sama, who's practically a little pup in that comic. ^.^

I imagine that if it were modern-day VMS-sama in her place, even UNIX-sama would not stand a chance. Not trying to be blasphemous,.. just adhering to some very simple and very troubling statistics... ¬.¬'

....

BTW, if I get crushed by a pair of flying boots again, do take over my life's work for me. ^__^'


NO WAI! U LAI!

There is...no emoticon for what I am feeling! T__T


QuoteOh noes! Does this mean that Slackware-tan is actually a "geezer"?! @____@'
[sorry,... vague reference to Zettai Karen Children]

This can't end well,.. now wonder she gets beat on a lot. ^^;

*very slowly and casually inches a few feet away from her*


No worries, I deserve all the obscure references people can pile on XD


QuoteWOOHOO!!!!!!! Another COMIC BARRAGE by BELLA-HIME!!!! Where does she get this untapped source of precious Win? ^v^


I have...no idea...I guess I get, like, ten pages roughly sketched out, then I finish them a few at a time. I is great at multitasking.

QuoteThe panels here are mostly movement, so can't really comment much aside from VMS-sama's cute expressions (especially that WTF-look in Panel 2), and the fact that UNIX-sama almost looks like she's tip-toeing there. ^.^

Oh trust me, we will see much more WTF expressions on VMS-sama before the day is out. In this order, this story is going to go

violent>strange>stranger>awkwaaaard>funny

Or something like that


QuoteGAAAAAH!!! A shocked UNIX-sama! Enough that you can clearly see the Bell Labs logos in her eyes! @v@


Aww, you haven't notice before...I drew them in all the close up shots.

QuotePlus a very awesome flashback appearance of a peak-power Multics-sama. ^___^

And some [dare I say it] "moe" shots of the goddess struggling to keep her forcefield. ^^

Suddenly I feel the urge to call up C-One-chan, and mail order some goth girl dresses. ^3^


...You are going to have a team of Unixen come and capture you and serve you in BLTs at this rate....


QuoteAnd a very lovely way you drew said sprightly, opportunistic expression as well. ^^
I take it though this was a tactical mistake on her part, as she forfeited her near-impenetrable defensive stance all for the sake of a quick bit of offense. Very dangerous considering UNIX-sama is a master of defense herself. ^^

Still,... can't blame the poor girl,....
I mean imagine the fame she would've gotten had she inadvertently vanquished UNIX-sama? If not for the fact the heights are reversed, it'd have been a modern day David & Goliath. ^^;


As the all-knowing Jargon File says, VMS would have been the favored system for hackers if Unix hadn't existed or gained popularity (http://www.faqs.org/docs/jargon/V/VMS.html) :P


QuoteKewlness! ^V^
And with Kino's Journey all but watched, you might have more ideas regarding ITS-san. ^__^


Oh yeah, ITS-san was kinda reverse based on Kino :P

QuoteBTW, what's the new animal you have queued up for CTSS-sama? ^.^


A raven, I think...they're kinda symbolize wise healers, teachers and guardians (her role to Multics-sama), as well as being associated with magic. Also, her hair and eye color will be quite dark, too (dark red).

QuoteGreat job! ^V^
Now that you're done,.. tell me just how much our crazy-kooky OS-tan world resembles Kino's arthouse of a world, where you can travel to a medieval town one day, and an ultra high-tech city the next. ^.^


Yeah...I supposed the show was set in the early 20th century, until she started meeting talking robots and such. You gotta love that kind of anachronism :D

QuoteIf C-Chan was periodic...that'd be one fscked up sine curve... õ_Õ


XD
Title: Bella's OS-tan Manga Thread
Post by: Bella on May 27, 2008, 09:27:21 pm
*pops in*

Oh, oh, I just had a thought for my next comic. What if...perhaps...at some point, Linux-sama ran into an early version of the A$C? It could be a bit fun, having OS/2-tan and a few others trying to get her to join them on their rather ill fated crusade against M$.

*Bella out*
Title: Bella's OS-tan Manga Thread
Post by: Aurora Borealis on May 27, 2008, 10:07:36 pm
That does sound like a very fun idea! ;010
Title: Bella's OS-tan Manga Thread
Post by: C-Chan on May 28, 2008, 01:08:16 am
Before I depart, just wanted to agree that it sounds like a pretty neat idea too.  ^^

However, given OS/2-sama was still knee-deep in the war, I would actually recommend that RISC OS-tan be the first person to meet Linux-sama, given how closely the two systems have followed each other historically.  ^.^

I'll be back... ^___^

*scurries off*
Title: Bella's OS-tan Manga Thread
Post by: Bella on May 29, 2008, 07:10:02 pm
QuoteHowever, given OS/2-sama was still knee-deep in the war, I would actually recommend that RISC OS-tan be the first person to meet Linux-sama,


Ah, RISC OS-tan would work well. I've always wanted to draw her, anyhow; but all I really know about her is, she's British, physically indestructible, and a good marksman :P

I also wondered what OS/2-san was up to at this point. She was out of the MS family, I think...was she with IBM?

Quotegiven how closely the two systems have followed each other historically. ^.^


You mean RISC-san and Linux-sama? The only connection between RISC and Linux I know of is the ROX window manager...ROX was designed to look like the RISC OS GUI, and actually means RISC on X (window manager).

Now I gotta do a Puppy-chan cosplaying as RISC-san pic XD


Page 24
(http://ostan-collections.net/imeeji/albums/userpics/11522/comicpg24.png)

Notes: In panel 2, VMS-sama's comment about the water being hot comes from Unix-sama having heated it up with the forcefield.

Page 25

(http://ostan-collections.net/imeeji/albums/userpics/11522/comicpg25.png)

Notes: Just to explain what's going on, Unix-sama has created a forcefield directly in front of VMS-sama; in panel 3, it looks as if VMS-sama has run into a wall, which is what has happened...don't ask what happened to that water she was holding, she must have let go of it when she struck the wall.

Oh yeah, and apparently Unix-sama has catlike agility. Who knew?
Title: Bella's OS-tan Manga Thread
Post by: Bella on May 31, 2008, 01:08:42 am
ZOMFGFTWWOOOOOT!!!!

I is still like...recovering from the season finale of Lost...there was liek, a gunfight...and an HUGE asplosion...and, and time traveling and inter-dimensional travel and vile vortices, Casmir Effects and espers and teleporting and...and...and...I now think that the island may be a reference Atlantis or Lemuria or something.

The bad thing is, I keep getting the urge to make a mini Lost/OS-tan parody crossover comic x__x

The worse thing is, I keep drawing parallels between the story of Ben and Locke (and Mr. Widmore) and that of Unix-sama and Linux-sama (and Multics-sama) X___X

Basically comes down to Mr. Widmore saying Ben stole the island (and its subsequent powers) from him. Ben is one of the few people who can manipulate the island's powers, until Locke ends up on the island. Ben is at first intrigued by Locke, then intimidated by his ability to "communicate" with the island, so he tries to kill him. But after a miraculous recovery on Locke's part, Ben now considers him an equal, even willing to share with him the mysteries of the island. He actually appoints Locke to his place as the leader of the Others, being forced to leave the island in a certain process (sorry, I'm trying to make it not too spoilerish).

Not to mention Ben and Locke share similar backstories, but are still quite opposite in every other respect. And while both faced many hardships and got to their places though a fair amount of luck; the former used a lot more manipulation, violence, and cold calculation (not letting anyone or anything get in his way), whereas Locke has always taken a more humble approach.

If you don't follow, don't worry; for we Losties are about as bad as Trekkies....if not worse. They have their spaceships, we have our uber-electromagnetism.

*silence*

*ticks*

Ahem...oh yes, here, have page 26:

(http://ostan-collections.net/imeeji/albums/userpics/11522/comicpg25%7E0.png)

Notes: I was being quite lazy; this page may not be the best, but I needed it mostly to bridge an accidental gap between pages 25 and 27. And also to explain how Unix-sama tackled VMS-sama.
Title: Bella's OS-tan Manga Thread
Post by: C-Chan on June 01, 2008, 03:04:33 am
Okay, last stop for the evening.  ^^

QuoteYeah...that fourth episode was pretty interesting, but also very strange. My favorites, however...were probably the "Land of Wizards" and "Land of Books" (ep. 8 and 9)


Fufufu... ^.^
Well aside from "Land of Adults", I do agree "Land of Wizards" was my favorite, although I also had a thing for "Tale of Mechanical Dolls".  ^___^

However, if you can get the movie "In Order to Do Something â€"Life Goes Onâ€"", I think you'll love it. Won't say why. ^__^

QuoteI might just Linux-sama's early storyline, and then show "flashbacks" from characters she encounters...and how they ended up on the path that led them to her (kinda hard to explain clearly).

This way, I'll be able to explore the backstories of several OS-tans


I'm all for that too.  ^__~

QuoteAh, good idea! That would be a hoot, for both VMS-sama and VxWorks-tan would have their dreams of someday having a better craft to travel in...a submarine for one, a spaceship for the other


Well who says the submarine can't travel into space too?  I don't think it's beneath VMS-sama to have watched Nadia: Secret of Blue Water at one point in her life... fufu.... ^__^'

QuoteEh? VectorLinux-tan being made in a Vector graphics program...?


Aa sou sou.  ^^
Excuse me while I rectify the problem.  ^___^

*hits head with hammer*
*drools*

fi-x-ed....  XvX;

QuoteMe: Well, old systems can still be of use; the Canadian Department of Defense ran Multics until 2000.
Friend: Yeah, but this is Canada we're talking about. Their park rangers still ride horses!


Well with today's oil prices, who's laughing now?  ^v^

QuoteAww, you haven't notice before...I drew them in all the close up shots.


Oh no, I did notice that.  It's just that, she was usually always squinting or doing something else that obscure that fact.  Now it's as clear as day!  ^.^

QuoteAh, RISC OS-tan would work well. I've always wanted to draw her, anyhow; but all I really know about her is, she's British, physically indestructible, and a good marksman :P


Oooh, that's all you need.  ^___^

...

Just kidding... ^v^'

For an A$C member, she's amazingly level-headed and sweet.  If not for the fact that she's physically indestructible and a good marksman, she could easily pass for a "girl next door" type.  

However, she IS an Acorn type, and follows a long tradition of fastidious professionalism.  Unlike her older sisters, she takes it a step further with an unhealthy obsession with appearance.  Her room MUST be in good order and dust-free, or else she'll clean it all up again, for the 10th time if need be.  Her handwriting MUST be perfect,... she's been known to toss or burn whole manuscripts if so much as an unremovable ink splotch finds its way in some remote whitespace.

And above all, her hair and clothing must be trim and proper.  While she can't be killed, a cunning opponent can't easily incapacitate her by damaging her clothing.  She will literally curl up in a ball feeling worse than dirt if so much as a heel of a shoe is broken.

QuoteI also wondered what OS/2-san was up to at this point. She was out of the MS family, I think...was she with IBM?


Oh yeah, she was in the employ of IBM until 2006.  However, she didn't physically move out until about 2000.  ^^

QuoteYou mean RISC-san and Linux-sama? The only connection between RISC and Linux I know of is the ROX window manager...ROX was designed to look like the RISC OS GUI, and actually means RISC on X (window manager).

Now I gotta do a Puppy-chan cosplaying as RISC-san pic XD


Took the words right outta my mouth.  ^.^

Given how many crafty desktop skins have been designed for Puppy-chan (including half a dozen Mac ones), I wouldn't be surprised if cosplaying is one of P-chan's specialties.  ^___^

She already did Ryoga, after all.... ^__~

Also, I hadn't realized it,... but P-chan is technically an Aussie. ^v^

QuotePage 24


Notes: In panel 2, VMS-sama's comment about the water being hot comes from Unix-sama having heated it up with the forcefield.


Okay,... the Goddess counterattacks. ^.^

I think I see what you mean by her being pissed.  ^^'

Do feel kinda sorry for the young-pup VMS-sama,... trying desperately to set up another barrier,... but,... well,... we can all see from a mile away that it ain't gonna work.  ^^;

QuotePage 25

Notes: Just to explain what's going on, Unix-sama has created a forcefield directly in front of VMS-sama; in panel 3, it looks as if VMS-sama has run into a wall, which is what has happened...don't ask what happened to that water she was holding, she must have let go of it when she struck the wall.

Oh yeah, and apparently Unix-sama has catlike agility. Who knew?


Also pity her more seeing that uber shocked expression on Panel 1.  ;~;

Her catlike agility is of course perfectly normal.  ^^
After all, who would expect a sorceress (especially a daughter of a powerful, yet physically-frail sorceress) to be quite so,... physical?  It's bound to catch more than a number of people off guard.  ^___^

I do admit that VMS-sama does look a bit strange in panel 3 (mainly the arms and hands), but as this is an action shot, it doesn't matter much (or rather the motion blur masks that a bit.  Not to mention that UNIX-sama's ounce clearly takes center stage there. ^^

QuoteI is still like...recovering from the season finale of Lost...there was liek, a gunfight...and an HUGE asplosion...and, and time traveling and inter-dimensional travel and vile vortices, Casmir Effects and espers and teleporting


Soooooooooooooooooooo,.... like......... you visited the Mac House or something?  @@'

QuoteThe bad thing is, I keep getting the urge to make a mini Lost/OS-tan parody crossover comic x__x


Yep,.. filmed live in the Mac House, to save on prop and special effects money. ^^'

QuoteIf you don't follow, don't worry; for we Losties are about as bad as Trekkies....if not worse. They have their spaceships, we have our uber-electromagnetism.

*silence*

*ticks*


*C-chan stares*  O____O

QuoteAhem...oh yes, here, have page 26:


Saccharin SWEET!!!!!  ^^

QuoteNotes: I was being quite lazy; this page may not be the best, but I needed it mostly to bridge an accidental gap between pages 25 and 27. And also to explain how Unix-sama tackled VMS-sama.


Hmmm,.... that Panel 1 is interesting.  I'm wondering if UNIX-sama did one of the following to VMS-sama:

1)  Burned her up.
2)  Pressed her down with a forcefield.
3)  Teleported her to a different location (or isolated dream world).
4)  ???  ^^;

All three have possibilites, given the "thud" and sorry state that poor VMS-sama is in in Panel 3.  ^o^

All in all, you've done fantastic work with this, Bella-hime!  By all means, please continue.  I beg you to always.  ^__^
Title: Bella's OS-tan Manga Thread
Post by: Bella on June 01, 2008, 04:22:33 pm
QuoteFufufu... ^.^
Well aside from "Land of Adults", I do agree "Land of Wizards" was my favorite, although I also had a thing for "Tale of Mechanical Dolls". ^___^

However, if you can get the movie "In Order to Do Something â€"Life Goes Onâ€"", I think you'll love it. Won't say why. ^__^


Oh yeah, that mechanical doll episode was pretty interesting (though, with that family...I kinda saw where that was going...) :P

I'll have to watch that movie when I get the chance...

QuoteWell who says the submarine can't travel into space too? I don't think it's beneath VMS-sama to have watched Nadia: Secret of Blue Water at one point in her life... fufu.... ^__^'


Whoa, even better an idea! Reminds me of those stories of "USOs", unidentified submerged objects (IE, alien spacecraft that can go underwater and also fly) ;)

QuoteWell with today's oil prices, who's laughing now? ^v^


Yeah, but do you know how much hay and shoes and tack (saddle equipment) cost? I do...hehee...

QuoteFor an A$C member, she's amazingly level-headed and sweet. If not for the fact that she's physically indestructible and a good marksman, she could easily pass for a "girl next door" type.


Hey, just like the Indestructible Cheerleader! Why are the indestructible ones always the girls-next-door?

(I'm giving the next person who hears me make a pop-culture reference authority to chuck their instrument of choice at my noggin)

QuoteHowever, she IS an Acorn type, and follows a long tradition of fastidious professionalism. Unlike her older sisters, she takes it a step further with an unhealthy obsession with appearance. Her room MUST be in good order and dust-free, or else she'll clean it all up again, for the 10th time if need be. Her handwriting MUST be perfect,... she's been known to toss or burn whole manuscripts if so much as an unremovable ink splotch finds its way in some remote whitespace.

And above all, her hair and clothing must be trim and proper. While she can't be killed, a cunning opponent can't easily incapacitate her by damaging her clothing. She will literally curl up in a ball feeling worse than dirt if so much as a heel of a shoe is broken.


Hmm, now I remember hearing something about this. The girl has OCD Mach three! But on the good side, one would not have to use violence to subdue RISC OS-tan...only throwing some paint on her outfit O__O

QuoteOh yeah, she was in the employ of IBM until 2006. However, she didn't physically move out until about 2000. ^^


...and now she's in a self-made bunker compound, plotting the destruction of M$ along with her cohorts or something. No?


QuoteTook the words right outta my mouth. ^.^

Given how many crafty desktop skins have been designed for Puppy-chan (including half a dozen Mac ones), I wouldn't be surprised if cosplaying is one of P-chan's specialties. ^___^

She already did Ryoga, after all.... ^__~

Also, I hadn't realized it,... but P-chan is technically an Aussie. ^v^


I realized both, from the minute I drew Pup-chan. I even remember mentioning I thought she'd be an XP-tan cosplayer, and I always envisioned her with an Australian accent. G'day mate!

QuoteHer catlike agility is of course perfectly normal. ^^
After all, who would expect a sorceress (especially a daughter of a powerful, yet physically-frail sorceress) to be quite so,... physical? It's bound to catch more than a number of people off guard. ^___^


Shall I quote Ken Thompson on this one? "When in doubt, use brute force".

QuoteI do admit that VMS-sama does look a bit strange in panel 3 (mainly the arms and hands), but as this is an action shot, it doesn't matter much (or rather the motion blur masks that a bit. Not to mention that UNIX-sama's ounce clearly takes center stage there. ^^


Yeah, I wanted to convey action in this panel more than anatomical properness.

QuoteSoooooooooooooooooooo,.... like......... you visited the Mac House or something? @@'


Perhaps I did...perhaps the Macs live in Atlantis as well. :P

Quote*C-chan stares* O____O


Sorry, sorry, I can't help it. Lemme tell you something...we Lost fans are like the pseudo-scientific and philosophical elite, as cult TV series fans go.

QuoteHmmm,.... that Panel 1 is interesting. I'm wondering if UNIX-sama did one of the following to VMS-sama:

1) Burned her up.
2) Pressed her down with a forcefield.
3) Teleported her to a different location (or isolated dream world).
4) ??? ^^;

All three have possibilites, given the "thud" and sorry state that poor VMS-sama is in in Panel 3. ^o^


I do believe it is number 2), but 3) is also an interesting idea! I knew not that Unix-sama hath dominion over space and time! Yet how could I have not considered this; for she is the Goddess :P

Though, I honestly don't know if Unix-sama is powerful enough at this point to teleport people into different places and/or psychological planes. At any rate, I must include this someday in a comic or something  ;010
Title: Bella's OS-tan Manga Thread
Post by: C-Chan on June 05, 2008, 01:21:10 am
*sniffs around very pig-like for new comics*

Nothing in yet?  Okay.  ^.^

*shuffles out*

QuoteHey, just like the Indestructible Cheerleader! Why are the indestructible ones always the girls-next-door?

(I'm giving the next person who hears me make a pop-culture reference authority to chuck their instrument of choice at my noggin)


Hmmm.....  ^.^
*picks up wad of unmarked New C-chan Points*

Just bend down a little for me.  Don't have a strong arm, so might not be able to chuck anything past your shins.....  ^^'

QuoteHmm, now I remember hearing something about this. The girl has OCD Mach three! But on the good side, one would not have to use violence to subdue RISC OS-tan...only throwing some paint on her outfit O__O


You got it!  ^__~
BBC Micro and AcornMOS-tan have similar quirks, although not nearly as inhibiting.  ^^;

Quote...and now she's in a self-made bunker compound, plotting the destruction of M$ along with her cohorts or something. No?


That would be true,... IF OS/2-tan could afford a bunker.  Instead, she can barely manage with rented office space,... and a cheap one at that.  ^^'

Nothing like plotting the downfall of the Windows Empire from within a musty cubicle.  ^^;

QuoteI realized both, from the minute I drew Pup-chan. I even remember mentioning I thought she'd be an XP-tan cosplayer, and I always envisioned her with an Australian accent. G'day mate!


And with that, the C-chan is officially Dumb as Rocks.  ^^;
So I better depart now for the evening before it turns out to be contagious....  -v-;
Title: Bella's OS-tan Manga Thread
Post by: Bella on June 05, 2008, 11:24:29 pm
Wha....! You had nothing to say of witty Ken Thompson quotes, USO CIOST HQs, Mac'lantis or the many powers of the Goddess? Ack, nevermind, have a new page.

Page 27:
(http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s320/BellasOS-tans/comicpg26.png)

(FYI, I will reply...but not now X__X)
Title: Bella's OS-tan Manga Thread
Post by: C-Chan on June 07, 2008, 12:12:56 am
QuoteWha....! You had nothing to say of witty Ken Thompson quotes, USO CIOST HQs, Mac'lantis or the many powers of the Goddess?


Eeep....

Um,... uh,... well,......

.....

I'm sorry I can't hear you, I'm just a lowly pig, see?
Oink oink oink... and stuff....  ^@^

*starts foraging around for food*

QuoteAck, nevermind, have a new page.


*deactivates pig mode*
Okay, NOW we're cookin' with FIYA!!!  ^V^
Or flamebroiled VMS-chan, however this turns out.... ^___^'

Visually, my favorite part is Panel 2 where UNIX-sama displays a rare fit of PURE unbridled anger.  It takes a lot of guts for VMS-sama to talk back with such defiance under such a dangerous predicament.  ^^

Speakig of defiance, "frickin' forcefield"?  My ears are bleeding.  ^___^

That's a cute moment, but I like that little bluff at the end threatening UNIX-sama with annihilation (*snicker snicker chortle chortle*).  Funny how it MAY have been possible in that era -- UNIX-sama may have had the power, but lacked the experience still.  

On the other hand, the DECs were also plagued with more proprietary inefficiences.  Tough call, really.....
Title: Bella's OS-tan Manga Thread
Post by: Bella on June 07, 2008, 07:12:28 pm
Quote
That would be true,... IF OS/2-tan could afford a bunker. Instead, she can barely manage with rented office space,... and a cheap one at that. ^
^'

Nothing like plotting the downfall of the Windows Empire from within a musty cubicle. ^^;

Hah! Many a revolution has been initiated in a musty cubicle...NOT!

QuoteEeep....

Um,... uh,... well,......

.....

I'm sorry I can't hear you, I'm just a lowly pig, see?
Oink oink oink... and stuff.... ^@^

*starts foraging around for food*


Aw drats....but weren't you just talking a moment ago? :P

Quote*deactivates pig mode*
Okay, NOW we're cookin' with FIYA!!! ^V^
Or flamebroiled VMS-chan, however this turns out.... ^___^'

Visually, my favorite part is Panel 2 where UNIX-sama displays a rare fit of PURE unbridled anger. It takes a lot of guts for VMS-sama to talk back with such defiance under such a dangerous predicament. ^^

Speakig of defiance, "frickin' forcefield"? My ears are bleeding. ^___^

That's a cute moment, but I like that little bluff at the end threatening UNIX-sama with annihilation (*snicker snicker chortle chortle*). Funny how it MAY have been possible in that era -- UNIX-sama may have had the power, but lacked the experience still.

On the other hand, the DECs were also plagued with more proprietary inefficiences. Tough call, really.....


Well, the DEC would have had numbers on their side...but Unix-sama had a group of die hard followers.

So, I had an idea, for a sweet little sci-fi comic...I might try this out before I do the Linux-sama comic, since I'm experimenting with inking my comics...

Characters: Lisa-san, OS X Leopard-tan, Apple I-sama

Pages: about 20 or so

Premise: Lisa-san discovers Leopard-chan's ability to time-travel. She begs Leopard-chan to take her back to see Apple I-sama while she was still alive. Leopard-chan agrees to this, and takes Lisa-san back to (early?) 80s. We learn about Leopard-san's power, and much sap ensues.

Logistical notes: For the sake of simplicity, I suppose nothing that Leopard-chan or Lisa-san does in a past timeline will effect their own future; only the future of that alternate timeline. Or you could say that the "universe will balance itself out" instead (IE...say you went back in time and saved somebody who was supposed to get hit by a bus, and the next day they got killed by a lightning strike). I'll probably leave this intentionally unclear.

I had another thought, as well...while she can give others "a lift", Leopard-tan is the only person who can physically travel through time and space. This is where it gets a bit confusing, but stick with me. Leopard-tan can go any place in time...past, or future, with no known restraints.

The people she gives lifts to, however, are bound by their own lifespan. Therefore, Lisa-san, who was born in 1978, cannot go to a time before her own birth, and likewise for times past her eventual death. Why? Because her passengers don't physically transverse time and space; only their minds do. If there's no living body for their consciousness to inhabit while in that time, they cannot travel. Now, you may wonder why I would opt for this:

-Cuts down on the possibility of bizarre paradoxes. Because if 2008 Lisa ran into 1980s Lisa, that would open the door to a confrontation between her past and current self...and while this wouldn't effect their future timeline, it would make for confusion none the less (something like this happened in Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban).

-Makes for better character interaction within the story. If adult Lisa-san ran up to her mother and introduced herself, half the story would consist of Lisa-san trying to convince Apple I-sama of her true identity, not to mention how she got there. If it's just the consciousness of current-day Lisa-san, but in the body of her past self...Apple I-sama would recognize her right away and would make for much more drama.

And Leopard-tan's ability to physically transverse time makes for another interesting idea; we have three very different Leopard-tan designs, yet we consider them the same character at different points in time. My theory; current Leopard-tan (teal-haired young woman) had to go back at one point to help her past self (blue-haired girl). The only way she could avoid a paradox involving her past self was to make her current self look different enough so that her past self wouldn't realize who it was. If you want to be even more mind-bending, you could theorize future Leopard-tan (pink-haired girl) went back in time to current Leopard-tan, and was the one who told her how she could build a time machine (this would be a ontological paradox, I believe).

In exchange for thoughtfully a listening to my insane ramblings, and at least trying to make sense of them, have a cover/"promotional poster" I did for this comic.

(http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s320/BellasOS-tans/Copyofcovercopy.png)

Yup, I even have a title and tagline. I should also note that this was sketched and inked in under an hour, with a bit of post production on Photoshop.
Title: Bella's OS-tan Manga Thread
Post by: Aurora Borealis on June 07, 2008, 07:56:09 pm
Excellent work! The whole introduction and explanations to the limitations of time travel, space travel and time paradoxes is really well thought-out! And with a kick-*** promotional poster with a title AND tagline to boot! ;010 ;010

But it's so sad that Lisa's interactions with Apple I-tan will not affect her in the present day :(
Title: Bella's OS-tan Manga Thread
Post by: NejinOniwa on June 07, 2008, 08:09:29 pm
I read that as "Only a tool"...and I lol'd so hard, it was good.
Title: Bella's OS-tan Manga Thread
Post by: Aurora Borealis on June 08, 2008, 02:07:34 am
I also read that as "Only a tool...", not knowing it was intended to be "Only a fool..." until Nejin stated he misread it ^^; (the top part of the 'f' is very hard to see)
Title: Bella's OS-tan Manga Thread
Post by: NejinOniwa on June 08, 2008, 04:50:56 am
Lol wat
Title: Bella's OS-tan Manga Thread
Post by: Bella on June 09, 2008, 07:31:39 pm
QuoteExcellent work! The whole introduction and explanations to the limitations of time travel, space travel and time paradoxes is really well thought-out! And with a kick-*** promotional poster with a title AND tagline to boot!


Thank you! Though I can't take credit for a lot of the ideas about her time-travel themselves; they are drawn from a lot of different books/movies/TV shows :P

QuoteBut it's so sad that Lisa's interactions with Apple I-tan will not affect her in the present day


What I meant was, Lisa-san's action Lisa's actions in the past won't have any effect on the future (in other words, she can't try to save her mother, or keep from getting booted from the family or anything). Psychologically, it'd probably have a lot of effect on Lisa.

QuoteI read that as "Only a tool"...and I lol'd so hard, it was good.


QuoteI also read that as "Only a tool...", not knowing it was intended to be "Only a fool..." until Nejin stated he misread it ^^; (the top part of the 'f' is very hard to see)


I laughed like mad reading this! And then I went back to check if it was your eyes or my text. OMG! I just about laughed till I cried. Now that was good!
Title: Bella's OS-tan Manga Thread
Post by: NejinOniwa on June 10, 2008, 11:37:28 am
And since it seems we obviously are, WE'RE ALL WRENCHES!!!

...except for the mods. They're hammers -w-

Added after 26 seconds:

No wait. I'm a pirate, so some of you have to be wenches...

Added after 20 seconds:

>:3
ARRGH!
Title: Bella's OS-tan Manga Thread
Post by: C-Chan on June 11, 2008, 12:44:17 pm
QuoteNothing like plotting the downfall of the Windows Empire from within a musty cubicle. ^^;

Hah! Many a revolution has been initiated in a musty cubicle...NOT!


Hey now!  I'm sure I can dig up a copy of the PaperClip-Flicker's Manifesto around here somewhere.  ^^;

QuoteAw drats....but weren't you just talking a moment ago? :P


"All the better to seek medical and/or psychological attention, My Dear."  ^___^

...

I mean...

Oink oink... ^@^

*keeps foraging*

QuoteSo, I had an idea, for a sweet little sci-fi comic...I might try this out before I do the Linux-sama comic, since I'm experimenting with inking my comics...

Characters: Lisa-san, OS X Leopard-tan, Apple I-sama


I take it my little side-swap at Lisa-chan's backstory has started something, no?  ^____^;

QuotePremise: Lisa-san discovers Leopard-chan's ability to time-travel. She begs Leopard-chan to take her back to see Apple I-sama while she was still alive. Leopard-chan agrees to this, and takes Lisa-san back to (early?) 80s. We learn about Leopard-san's power, and much sap ensues.


Hmmm,... maybe you have something set up, but I'm not sure if Lisa-chan is currently in the begging mode.  It's more likely that Leopard-chan takes her (in secret from anyone else) as a way to cheer her up, or combat a very severe form of depression that has everyone (including ][-chan) worried sick.  It would be Leopard-chan's way of helping out using what she knows best.  ^^

QuoteLogistical notes: For the sake of simplicity, I suppose nothing that Leopard-chan or Lisa-san does in a past timeline will effect their own future; only the future of that alternate timeline. Or you could say that the "universe will balance itself out" instead (IE...say you went back in time and saved somebody who was supposed to get hit by a bus, and the next day they got killed by a lightning strike). I'll probably leave this intentionally unclear.


Haha!  Reminds me of those pages upon pages of theories I posted up about time travel actually being space-time quantum leaps.  You can't change the past because there is no more past -- you can only travel to another dimension that's essentially a snapshot of your universe at an earlier date.  ^^;

The way you put it, though, reminds me of the time travel premise behind the recent Time Travel movie (although admittedly, it doesn't hold a candle,... hell, even a cinder,... to the book).

As a side note, it kinda sucks that there's been no decent movie recreation of H G well's Time Machine, or the War of the Worlds.  The closest I've seen is the Jeff Wayne version of War of the Worlds (first opera, then video game, now potential movie), but it probably helps that I really REALLY love the mecha for it.  :D

http://hollywoodgothique.com/myPictures/waroftheworlds1978.jpg

QuoteThe people she gives lifts to, however, are bound by their own lifespan. Therefore, Lisa-san, who was born in 1978, cannot go to a time before her own birth, and likewise for times past her eventual death. Why? Because her passengers don't physically transverse time and space; only their minds do. If there's no living body for their consciousness to inhabit while in that time, they cannot travel. Now, you may wonder why I would opt for this:
-Cuts down on the possibility of bizarre paradoxes. Because if 2008 Lisa ran into 1980s Lisa, that would open the door to a confrontation between her past and current self...and while this wouldn't effect their future timeline, it would make for confusion none the less (something like this happened in Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban).

-Makes for better character interaction within the story. If adult Lisa-san ran up to her mother and introduced herself, half the story would consist of Lisa-san trying to convince Apple I-sama of her true identity, not to mention how she got there. If it's just the consciousness of current-day Lisa-san, but in the body of her past self...Apple I-sama would recognize her right away and would make for much more drama.


Actually, I like the notion of spiritual time travel as well, if only because it also makes the experience more "dream like".  That might even help with the "begging" part above, as Lisa-san doesn't really need to know that she's traveling back in time, but is simply having a very therapeutic, life-changing dream.

Some very ancient Indian literature does talk about the transcendence of the spirit from the mind as a means to break from physical bounds and literally be able to explore the universe.  Given that the context often ties this to Paleo-SETI theories, I kinda liked how this notion was somewhat explored in the movie Contact.

Where as the humans expected the machine (that they built from the so-called "VeGan code") would somehow propel the occupant into space at a speed of several light years, or create a wormwhole connect to VeGa, or do some other wacky PHYSICAL form of space travel, in actuality the alien's method of travel is entirely spiritual.  Hence there's no need for spaceships or high end technology to be able to explore space and time, unhindered by hunger and thirst, and with the capacity to do so indefinitely.

I've always believed that the "dream state" is a kind of primitive precursor to spiritual transcendence, as you're able to project yourself into different worlds and dimensions, and experience past and sometimes even future events that may or may not relate to you -- but have little to no control of your actions, and are still ultimately tied to your physical self.  

In any event, I don't want to take up pages upon pages on THAT topic, so let me end it there.  ^^;

QuoteIn exchange for thoughtfully a listening to my insane ramblings, and at least trying to make sense of them, have a cover/"promotional poster" I did for this comic.

Yup, I even have a title and tagline. I should also note that this was sketched and inked in under an hour, with a bit of post production on Photoshop.


*PIZZA-SUPREME-SWOONAGE*  ^V^

It's been a long time since I've seen a Leopard-chan from you, but I see you've not lost your touch.  ^__^

True, I also "lol"ed at the obvious pun in the title.  ^.^
Title: Bella's OS-tan Manga Thread
Post by: Bella on June 12, 2008, 09:15:56 pm
Yay, I got around to inking a few more pages! Yes, I've starting inking them...

Page 27:

(http://ostan-collections.net/imeeji/albums/userpics/11522/comicpg27.png)

Notes: Oh Dear Lord. Unix-sama is smiling again O__O

Page 28:

(http://ostan-collections.net/imeeji/albums/userpics/11522/comicpg28.png)

Notes: As promised, (lil') BSD-chan shows up!

QuoteHmmm,... maybe you have something set up, but I'm not sure if Lisa-chan is currently in the begging mode. It's more likely that Leopard-chan takes her (in secret from anyone else) as a way to cheer her up, or combat a very severe form of depression that has everyone (including ][-chan) worried sick. It would be Leopard-chan's way of helping out using what she knows best. ^^


No, this sounds better.

QuoteHaha! Reminds me of those pages upon pages of theories I posted up about time travel actually being space-time quantum leaps. You can't change the past because there is no more past -- you can only travel to another dimension that's essentially a snapshot of your universe at an earlier date. ^^;


Ah yes, I remember hearing that...

QuoteThe way you put it, though, reminds me of the time travel premise behind the recent Time Travel movie (although admittedly, it doesn't hold a candle,... hell, even a cinder,... to the book).

As a side note, it kinda sucks that there's been no decent movie recreation of H G well's Time Machine, or the War of the Worlds. The closest I've seen is the Jeff Wayne version of War of the Worlds (first opera, then video game, now potential movie), but it probably helps that I really REALLY love the mecha for it.

http://hollywoodgothique.com/myPictures/waroftheworlds1978.jpg


I thought the 2005 version of War of the Worlds was pretty good... ;)

QuoteActually, I like the notion of spiritual time travel as well, if only because it also makes the experience more "dream like". That might even help with the "begging" part above, as Lisa-san doesn't really need to know that she's traveling back in time, but is simply having a very therapeutic, life-changing dream.


I suppose she will know what's happening, as she'd need Leopard-tan to bring her to the 1980s, and then back to 2008.

Some very ancient Indian literature does talk about the transcendence of the spirit from the mind as a means to break from physical bounds and literally be able to explore the universe. Given that the context often ties this to Paleo-SETI theories, I kinda liked how this notion was somewhat explored in the movie Contact.

Hey, Contact...that was a great movie....

But yeah, this sounds like the concept of astral travel...and I'd ask about this Paleo-SETI, but this somehow seems like opening a can of hueg-post worms :P

QuoteWhere as the humans expected the machine (that they built from the so-called "VeGan code") would somehow propel the occupant into space at a speed of several light years, or create a wormwhole connect to VeGa, or do some other wacky PHYSICAL form of space travel, in actuality the alien's method of travel is entirely spiritual. Hence there's no need for spaceships or high end technology to be able to explore space and time, unhindered by hunger and thirst, and with the capacity to do so indefinitely.

I've always believed that the "dream state" is a kind of primitive precursor to spiritual transcendence, as you're able to project yourself into different worlds and dimensions, and experience past and sometimes even future events that may or may not relate to you -- but have little to no control of your actions, and are still ultimately tied to your physical self.

In any event, I don't want to take up pages upon pages on THAT topic, so let me end it there. ^^;


That's very deep, and kinda my view on it, too...you should hear some of the philosophical discussions I get into with people... @__@

QuoteAt any rate,

*PIZZA-SUPREME-SWOONAGE* ^V^

It's been a long time since I've seen a Leopard-chan from you, but I see you've not lost your touch. ^__^

True, I also "lol"ed at the obvious pun in the title. ^.^


Awwww dammmmmitttt! That tagline wasn't supposed to be funny >__<

Thank you, though. I wanted to give Leopard-tan that slightly mad scientist look. XD
Title: Bella's OS-tan Manga Thread
Post by: NejinOniwa on June 12, 2008, 10:32:57 pm
NOW WE'RE GETTING SOMEWH- wait, why am I thinking this is evolving in Yuri directions? My head must be getting really screwed up with the impending system upgrade and all.
Title: Bella's OS-tan Manga Thread
Post by: Aurora Borealis on June 14, 2008, 01:05:34 am
Holy crap! Unix is interregating VMS-sama! And I'm not sure if she will comply with VMS-sama's request (assuming she confesses) yet she makes it out alive somehow... I must know!! The suspense is building!

And... a challenger appears?! I wonder what she's gonna do!
Title: Bella's OS-tan Manga Thread
Post by: Bella on June 14, 2008, 03:13:27 pm
Dirty thoughts are bad for you, Nejin-san...here, have this pillow and go take a nap. I think the lack of sleep is getting to your head :P

I can assure you, however, things are gonna get weirder before they get weirder O__o

Page 29:

(http://ostan-collections.net/imeeji/albums/userpics/11522/comicpg29.png)

Notes: In the top panel (2?), VMS-sama is referencing Multics-sama's getting beaten in a fight even when she had this ring spell. We know the fight was with Unix-sama, but VMS-sama doesn't.

Oh yes, and the irony in VMS-sama's asking Unix-sama if she's happy now @__@

Page 30:

(http://ostan-collections.net/imeeji/albums/userpics/11522/comicpg30.png)

Notes: Looks like VMS-sama is angry at the anti-climax (let me hope the viewership isn't). Meanwhile, BSD-chan decides to crash the fight, and we see that, in the span of a few minutes, Unix-sama can cycle through more human emotions than most people can in a week @_______@

(Oh and BTW, these are pages that I sketched out weeks ago, I'm just now finishing them)
Title: Bella's OS-tan Manga Thread
Post by: Aurora Borealis on June 14, 2008, 03:24:41 pm
I am not disappointed at all by the anticlimatic end of the battle- that was probably the only way for the battle to end with VMS-sama coming out alive!
Title: Bella's OS-tan Manga Thread
Post by: C-Chan on June 15, 2008, 06:28:12 pm
QuoteYay, I got around to inking a few more pages! Yes, I've starting inking them...


Wonderful -- so basically, you're manga-like art really IS now quite manga-quality.  I know you started doing pencil-only sketching to save time and get the story moving forward much more quickly.  But as long as you got the handle on speed, by all means I support this new approach.  ^^

Then again, looking at your previous battles pages,... they're still pretty darn sharp.  From a cost-benefit standpoint, not sure if inking them now lends much more than what you previously succeeded in doing.  'v'

QuoteNotes: Oh Dear Lord. Unix-sama is smiling again O__O


I warned you about UNIX-sama smiling, no?  ^.~

Panel 1 shows a very BEAUTIFUL profile shot of UNIX-sama tormenting the young VMS-san.  Plus seeing her tap the forcefield playfully is a very clever touch, and does much to illustrate the character of the goddess.  ^^

Am obliged to point out a little mistake in her text box, though.  It reads "...who taught that you little trick", instead of "...who taught you that little trick".  ^^;

QuoteNotes: As promised, (lil') BSD-chan shows up!


How CUTE!  ^v^

That's a far cry from the tall, elegant enchantress we saw back in Page 4.  ^.^

http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s320/BellasOS-tans/comicpage4sm.png

QuoteI thought the 2005 version of War of the Worlds was pretty good...


Which one?  There were about 3 WOTW movies issued in the vicinty of 2005, and all of them made mincemeat of the incredible story-telling power of the original book.  One of the things both the 1953 non-tripod version and the Steven Spielberg version have in common is that they fail to give the humans a fighting chance.  This establishes the notion of blind extermination without the political and philosophical metaphors that accompanied the original book, where the Martian tripods, while certainly a lot more technologically-advanced, were not invincible (especially to the Thunder Child).  

Though not apparent to the narrator until the end of the novel, strategy is actually a very integral part to the Martian invasion of Britain only, the heart of human military might at that time.  Aside from crippling the humans' ability to defend themselves and establish a beach head for further colonization(?) efforts, the lightning-quick attacks to all the major cities were as much a distraction to allow unhindered completion of the Martians' Flying Machines (revealed at the end of the book), which would have made further attacks on the humans (who lacked anti-air capabilities) a veritable turkey shoot.  

Even the consumption of human blood was apparently not intended to be a goal, but rather a perceived side-benefit to the invasion given the similarity human beings had to the martian bipeds they already consumed.  I always imagined that the consumption of human blood actually hastened the Martian's sickness, as they ingested all sorts of bacteria they weren't meant to eat.  ^^;

Lastly, the most powerful weapon the Martian's possessed was not the heat ray, but rather the Black Dust, which was a kind of poison gas that foreshadowed its deadly use during World War I only a few decades later.  This was rereimagined frighteningly by Orson Welles' radio show during the 30's, but omitted in all movies ever since due to budgetary or time constraints.  But in doing so, it removes one of the most damning aspects of the original book -- taking away the modern machinery, a well-employed use of "low-tech" weaponry is enough to bring a population to its knees, no matter how mighty its military is (as was the case with Colonial Britain).  The same obviously held true for the Martians in the end.  

And why in the world did I spend so much time talking about WOTW?  Maybe I just like the book so much?  -.-'

QuoteHey, Contact...that was a great movie....

But yeah, this sounds like the concept of astral travel...


Better name for it.  ^^

Quoteand I'd ask about this Paleo-SETI, but this somehow seems like opening a can of hueg-post worms :P


Yeah, I already used my "Ramble" card on WOTW.  ^.^
Just watch the latest Indiana Jones movies for the central theme behind Paleo-SETI research.  It's an interesting field, although it tends to distract too much over the alternatives explanation that more advanced human civilizations could have also existed.  Not to say the two are mutually-exclusive -- plus there's strong motivation for the powers-that-be to withhold evidence of either possibility.

QuoteThat's very deep, and kinda my view on it, too...you should hear some of the philosophical discussions I get into with people... @__@


Fufufu...  Bella's in sync. ^___^

QuoteAwwww dammmmmitttt! That tagline wasn't supposed to be funny >__<


Too late, we just commandeered that line for humor. ^.^

QuoteNOW WE'RE GETTING SOMEWH- wait, why am I thinking this is evolving in Yuri directions? My head must be getting really screwed up with the impending system upgrade and all.


Wait,... so now we're shipping UNIX-sama and VMS-sama?  ^^;

*ponders*

Hmmmmmm,... guess that could work.....  ^3^;

*hears sound of two pairs of boots hurling his way*

Eeep....  ^^;

*SQUASH!!!!!!!!*

QuoteNotes: In the top panel (2?), VMS-sama is referencing Multics-sama's getting beaten in a fight even when she had this ring spell. We know the fight was with Unix-sama, but VMS-sama doesn't.

Oh yes, and the irony in VMS-sama's asking Unix-sama if she's happy now @__@


Awww... so now VMS-sama [unwittingly] hit below UNIX-sama's built.  -.-

That's a very interesting way that VMS-sama killed off UNIX-sama's will to fight.  Sure, it sounds anti-climactic to the uninformed reader -- but considering we've all but INVENTED Unix sap, I know why I should feel sad, and at the same time happy that the fight didn't get any worse than it could've.  ^^

QuoteNotes: Looks like VMS-sama is angry at the anti-climax (let me hope the viewership isn't). Meanwhile, BSD-chan decides to crash the fight, and we see that, in the span of a few minutes, Unix-sama can cycle through more human emotions than most people can in a week @_______@

(Oh and BTW, these are pages that I sketched out weeks ago, I'm just now finishing them)


Yay!  Loli BSD-chan!  ^^

Course, now that she's essentially "unsquashed", VMS-sama's profile shots look pretty annd delicate again.  ^^
And UNIX-sama,... well, you can never go wrong with her, but her surprised expression in the last panel is outright lo-ve-ly. ^.^

I'm very curious to see what's gonna happen from here on out.  ^-^
Title: Bella's OS-tan Manga Thread
Post by: Bella on June 16, 2008, 09:00:22 pm
QuoteWonderful -- so basically, you're manga-like art really IS now quite manga-quality. I know you started doing pencil-only sketching to save time and get the story moving forward much more quickly. But as long as you got the handle on speed, by all means I support this new approach. ^^

Then again, looking at your previous battles pages,... they're still pretty darn sharp. From a cost-benefit standpoint, not sure if inking them now lends much more than what you previously succeeded in doing. 'v'


I think inking is now giving me a bit more speed, actually. Whereas before I had to go back and clean up all the stray lines and stuff from the penciling...I can be a little quicker with just the ink. I still use the pencil for some larger areas of shading, though...

QuoteI warned you about UNIX-sama smiling, no? ^.~

Panel 1 shows a very BEAUTIFUL profile shot of UNIX-sama tormenting the young VMS-san. Plus seeing her tap the forcefield playfully is a very clever touch, and does much to illustrate the character of the goddess. ^^


Oh yes...I'm sure she loves to mess around with her opponent's minds like that... :P

QuoteAm obliged to point out a little mistake in her text box, though. It reads "...who taught that you little trick", instead of "...who taught you that little trick". ^^;


Oh no! My (semi-imagined case of) dyslexia! >___<

QuoteHow CUTE! ^v^

That's a far cry from the tall, elegant enchantress we saw back in Page 4. ^.^

http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s320/BellasOS-tans/comicpage4sm.png


Well yeah, this is supposed to be in 1978...wasn't BSD made in 1977, '78?

QuoteWhich one? There were about 3 WOTW movies issued in the vicinty of 2005, and all of them made mincemeat of the incredible story-telling power of the original book. One of the things both the 1953 non-tripod version and the Steven Spielberg version have in common is that they fail to give the humans a fighting chance. This establishes the notion of blind extermination without the political and philosophical metaphors that accompanied the original book, where the Martian tripods, while certainly a lot more technologically-advanced, were not invincible (especially to the Thunder Child).


I meant the Steven Spielberg version.

QuoteThough not apparent to the narrator until the end of the novel, strategy is actually a very integral part to the Martian invasion of Britain only, the heart of human military might at that time. Aside from crippling the humans' ability to defend themselves and establish a beach head for further colonization(?) efforts, the lightning-quick attacks to all the major cities were as much a distraction to allow unhindered completion of the Martians' Flying Machines (revealed at the end of the book), which would have made further attacks on the humans (who lacked anti-air capabilities) a veritable turkey shoot.

Even the consumption of human blood was apparently not intended to be a goal, but rather a perceived side-benefit to the invasion given the similarity human beings had to the martian bipeds they already consumed. I always imagined that the consumption of human blood actually hastened the Martian's sickness, as they ingested all sorts of bacteria they weren't meant to eat. ^^;

Lastly, the most powerful weapon the Martian's possessed was not the heat ray, but rather the Black Dust, which was a kind of poison gas that foreshadowed its deadly use during World War I only a few decades later. This was rereimagined frighteningly by Orson Welles' radio show during the 30's, but omitted in all movies ever since due to budgetary or time constraints. But in doing so, it removes one of the most damning aspects of the original book -- taking away the modern machinery, a well-employed use of "low-tech" weaponry is enough to bring a population to its knees, no matter how mighty its military is (as was the case with Colonial Britain). The same obviously held true for the Martians in the end.

And why in the world did I spend so much time talking about WOTW? Maybe I just like the book so much? -.-'


No problem, you just gave me a lesson in the differences between the different movies and the book :P

QuoteYeah, I already used my "Ramble" card on WOTW. ^.^
Just watch the latest Indiana Jones movies for the central theme behind Paleo-SETI research. It's an interesting field, although it tends to distract too much over the alternatives explanation that more advanced human civilizations could have also existed. Not to say the two are mutually-exclusive -- plus there's strong motivation for the powers-that-be to withhold evidence of either possibility.


Ahhhh, so this goes back to the idea of an ancient society with advanced technology...?

QuoteWait,... so now we're shipping UNIX-sama and VMS-sama? ^^;

*ponders*

Hmmmmmm,... guess that could work..... ^3^;

*hears sound of two pairs of boots hurling his way*

Eeep.... ^^;

*SQUASH!!!!!!!!*


You...you men and your shipping! Y...you pigs...!

Oh....I mean....

Sorry, not that kinda pig, the other kinda pig ^/////^

QuoteAwww... so now VMS-sama [unwittingly] hit below UNIX-sama's built. -.-

That's a very interesting way that VMS-sama killed off UNIX-sama's will to fight. Sure, it sounds anti-climactic to the uninformed reader -- but considering we've all but INVENTED Unix sap, I know why I should feel sad, and at the same time happy that the fight didn't get any worse than it could've. ^^


I also think that even if on a subconscious level, Unix-sama wouldn't want to hurt Multics-sama any farther...and that includes anybody who may be "close" to her (even though VMS-sama isn't necessarily that close to Multics-sama, Unix-sama doesn't know this). I guess VMS-sama fessing up about having learned that spell from Multics-sama was about the best thing she could do ensure her survival ;)

QuoteYay! Loli BSD-chan! ^^

Course, now that she's essentially "unsquashed", VMS-sama's profile shots look pretty annd delicate again. ^^
And UNIX-sama,... well, you can never go wrong with her, but her surprised expression in the last panel is outright lo-ve-ly. ^.^

I'm very curious to see what's gonna happen from here on out. ^-^


Lol...loli BSD-chan...oh gawd what have I done O___O
Title: Bella's OS-tan Manga Thread
Post by: C-Chan on June 30, 2008, 10:51:17 am
*snivel, snorts and oinks through thread, rummaging for new pages*

No new pages?  Oh,... okay,... hope to see the continuation, though. ^^

*wags tail*

I'm flagging this page for upcoming responses, so don't go away.  ^^

*C-chan flags thread*

Added after 10 hours 56 minutes:

BTW, I know it's in the wrong spot to post this, but as long as VMS-sama is around....

Here's another potential CIOST member with GREAT potential,... and no small grudge against M$.  ^^;

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BTRON
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TRON_Project

http://www.linuxinsider.com/story/31855.html
Title: Bella's OS-tan Manga Thread
Post by: Bella on July 01, 2008, 11:56:28 am
I am fail, I have been so busy I haven't been able to finish any pages lately. Don't worry, though, cause I AM going to finish this! I swear!

As for TRON, I think we've been beat to the punch...

(http://ostan.nazo.cc/os/tron/src/1095856080787.jpg)

http://ostan.nazo.cc/

I dunno, thy just list this as TRON. I never figured it was more than a kernel, that's why I never really gave much thought to it.

They say it's the most used OS though! In mobile phones, digital cameras, CD players and more--I wonder if my D70 camera runs on it...?
Title: Bella's OS-tan Manga Thread
Post by: Aurora Borealis on July 01, 2008, 12:43:07 pm
That TRON-tan is a pretty cool-looking character, but  no references to the movie "Tron"?! For shame!
Title: Bella's OS-tan Manga Thread
Post by: C-Chan on July 01, 2008, 04:53:21 pm
Aaaaaaaaaaaaah,... so THAT'S what that TRON section was all about!  KEWL!!!  The mystery is finally resolved, and yes I love these designs!  (Especially that full-body regal shot where she has that flowing futuristic kimono, and braided pigtails).

Indeed, seeing these pictures really get the creative juices flowing.  ^__^

I'm envisioning her as the quiet, super-genius of the CIOST -- and perhaps the one primarily responsible for their technological edge relative to their rivals.  She provides members with equipment, weapons, quick-deployment structures and drones, but otherwise keeps to herself as she manages her quiet electronic empire (and corresponding cash flow) under the radar.

While no UNIX-sama, she certainly has a calm, calculating and fearless demeanor that intimidates those already fearful of her mysterious aura. Since she likely embodies BTRON, I'm going to take a page from Shakugan no Shana and say that ITRON and CTRON are perhaps sentient accessories that she wears.  Since one is bombastic and the other kindly, they offer an id/superego-like counterbalance to the emotionless technobabble she mainly utters.  All three usually argue, debate and compromise with eachother while designing a new invention -- a very humerous tug-of-war between business, industrial and IT viewpoints from someone who looks like she's schizophrenically arguing with herself, but one that eventually produces good results.

She's a poor fighter using her own strength, but aside from having a legion of powerful CIOST-tans to protect her (being such a valuable asset), she can also use nano-machines to take control of appliances and even inanimate metal objects like swords, in order to turn them against her assailants.  ROM-DOS-tan also has this same ability -- it might not be difficult to assume that the younger girl wages silent skirmishes against TRON-sama in order to test her skills.

QuoteThat TRON-tan is a pretty cool-looking character, but no references to the movie "Tron"?! For shame!


I actually purposely excluded references to TRON, since it might be too obvious.  ^^
However, I think that would be a running gag -- anyone who meets her chastises her for not making her inventions more "TRON-the-movie-like", or for not using a glowing disk as her primary weapon.  Might be funnier still if she, even after all these years, doesn't know or care what they're talking about.  ^^;

BTW, I might be reposting the image above, because it won't display from my location.  ^^;

[attachment deleted by admin]
Title: Bella's OS-tan Manga Thread
Post by: NejinOniwa on July 01, 2008, 04:59:10 pm
TRON-tan looks kinda neat there.

Frankly, though, I have to say the Tron movie absolutely sucked.
The only good thing that's come out of it is the Lightcycles clone Armagetron Advanced, and even that's just minor.
I guess I suck at appreciating movies >_>
Title: Bella's OS-tan Manga Thread
Post by: Bella on July 07, 2008, 10:16:47 am
QuoteAaaaaaaaaaaaah,... so THAT'S what that TRON section was all about! KEWL!!! The mystery is finally resolved, and yes I love these designs! (Especially that full-body regal shot where she has that flowing futuristic kimono, and braided pigtails).

Indeed, seeing these pictures really get the creative juices flowing. ^__^

I'm envisioning her as the quiet, super-genius of the CIOST -- and perhaps the one primarily responsible for their technological edge relative to their rivals. She provides members with equipment, weapons, quick-deployment structures and drones, but otherwise keeps to herself as she manages her quiet electronic empire (and corresponding cash flow) under the radar.

While no UNIX-sama, she certainly has a calm, calculating and fearless demeanor that intimidates those already fearful of her mysterious aura. Since she likely embodies BTRON, I'm going to take a page from Shakugan no Shana and say that ITRON and CTRON are perhaps sentient accessories that she wears. Since one is bombastic and the other kindly, they offer an id/superego-like counterbalance to the emotionless technobabble she mainly utters. All three usually argue, debate and compromise with eachother while designing a new invention -- a very humerous tug-of-war between business, industrial and IT viewpoints from someone who looks like she's schizophrenically arguing with herself, but one that eventually produces good results.

She's a poor fighter using her own strength, but aside from having a legion of powerful CIOST-tans to protect her (being such a valuable asset), she can also use nano-machines to take control of appliances and even inanimate metal objects like swords, in order to turn them against her assailants. ROM-DOS-tan also has this same ability -- it might not be difficult to assume that the younger girl wages silent skirmishes against TRON-sama in order to test her skills.


Wow, you have her all thought out...she could very well be the most famous, or perhaps popular, of the CIOST-tans...! I have to do a fanart now ;)

QuoteI actually purposely excluded references to TRON, since it might be too obvious. ^^
However, I think that would be a running gag -- anyone who meets her chastises her for not making her inventions more "TRON-the-movie-like", or for not using a glowing disk as her primary weapon. Might be funnier still if she, even after all these years, doesn't know or care what they're talking about. ^^;


I dunno what you guys are talking about...I've never seen TRON :P
Title: Bella's OS-tan Manga Thread
Post by: Bella on August 07, 2008, 09:29:29 pm
I promise that I will finish up the DEC comic...I really do. But lately I've been trying a different direction with this Linux-sama comic. For such a complicated tale, I don't want it to be a great big story; just a great story. Short, sweet, and to the point. At least I hope.
At times historical accuracy may be suspended a bit for the sake of storytelling, yet I hope to stay fairly true to actual events ;)

Chapter one: She Walks With Us, but is not One of Us
(wordy title, eh?)

Pages 1-12 (the whole chapter)

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Notes: the main part of the story is taking place in 1993. While Plan 9 wasn't released until 92/93, it had been developed since the mid 80s. I didn't know what time we supposed Xenix-san would have been killed; whether this was a close call or the time of her actual death will remain intentionally unclear.  I tried to make Plan 9 and Unix-sama look quite alike as the two OSes were remarkably alike (duh); while Plan 9-san had dark hair in her youth, stress started to gray it. She appears quite young here, and I do imagine even in her maturity she'd look no older than 18 or 19 years (cause Plan 9 is immature as most OSes go, or so I hear). Solaris-tan has a cameo in 3 pages, and those "cousins" Plan 9-tan speaks of are the BSD sisters.

Please don't kill me mods for the huge pictures O___O
Title: Bella's OS-tan Manga Thread
Post by: Aurora Borealis on August 07, 2008, 11:29:48 pm
SWEEEEEEET! 12 pages of Bella comic goodness! :D

pages 1 + 2: Linux-san as a young girl doing farm work to get some money- Really shows that she has gone a long way to be where and who she is now!

pages 3 + 4: They grow up so fast, don't they? I swear, I nearly cried reading this page! The dialogue and facial expressions are beautiful and moving! *sniffle* Minix-sensei is letting go of her student to go out into the cold and dangerous world!

page 5: Linux-san really is lucky. Very few OS-tans around at the time were not affected by the Unix Wars or OS Wars. Excellent job with the city scenery!

And is that... Plan 9-san?! Wow! I did not recognize her at first! The years have really done a number on her, huh? ;012

page 6: More sap, and a side of Plan 9-san never seen before: in her childhood when she idolized her mother, Unix-sama! A reflection of how Plan 9 is "more Unix than Unix"! Of course they are very very different in mindset! (and young schoolgirl Plan 9-tan is especially cute in the second-to-last panel!)

page 7: Plan 9-san sure does not seem to be fine! Plan 9-san and Linux-san encountering each other? This is going to be interesting!

page 8: See, Linux-san? Not all the Unices are scary! Only most of them are! ;006

And Plan 9-san confronting Unix-sama... I wonder if this is the start of Plan 9-san's uprising!

page 9: Gotta admit that I agree with Unix-sama about Xenix-san's death- she brought it on herself :(

I feel sad for Plan 9-san too.

page 10: Darn right, Plan 9-san! Standing strong on what you believe in (for a good cause!) and putting your destiny in your own hands! Darn right! ;019 ;019

page 11: Plan 9-san-- no... Plan 9-sama is so righteous! Uprising against her mother and changing her own destiny for her own good (and to not want to hurt her family), and advising Linux-san against entering the Unix family because it could break her spirit!

And when Plan 9-sama goes to visit her cousins, the BSD-tans... Is that when they form the User Space Gang?

page 12: So much sap on this page! Especially on the last panel, the two show a potential for friendship!
Title: Bella's OS-tan Manga Thread
Post by: C-Chan on August 09, 2008, 02:34:47 am
WAAAAAAAAAAH!!!!!  This is so unfair.  So much beautiful stuff, and I can't even issue a proper response yet.  I feel bad.  ;_____;

Do wait for me...
This is a brilliant piece of story-telling that I have to carefully review piece by piece, so as to give you the kind of proper critique you deserve!  ^-^

In the meantime, please forgive this foolish old pig for this pitifully-small post.  -.-
Title: Bella's OS-tan Manga Thread
Post by: C-Chan on August 09, 2008, 09:48:27 pm
Okay, last but not least, Bella-hime's masterpiece.  ^>^

QuoteI promise that I will finish up the DEC comic...I really do. But lately I've been trying a different direction with this Linux-sama comic. For such a complicated tale, I don't want it to be a great big story; just a great story. Short, sweet, and to the point. At least I hope.
At times historical accuracy may be suspended a bit for the sake of storytelling, yet I hope to stay fairly true to actual events


Thank you Bella-hime!  I love the fast and steady pace of your story-telling, and the mangaesque quality of the illustration!!  ^v^

PAGE 1:

The first panel actually illustrates the great time-saving technique used to work the backgrounds -- you add only enough detail to convey the appearance and scale you're intending, without going overboard with detail and thus detracting away from the characters.  ^__^

Hiding Linux-sama's face with her hat is an intriguing touch, and more intriguing is the fact that she does recognize herself as being UNIX-like.  ^___^

Somewhere you said you loved horses -- and the way you richly defined the horse really shows that.

The first time that Linux-sama reveals her face demonstrates how truly mangaesque your comic is.  One of the greatest strengths of manga art is its recreation of realistic, movie-quality camera angles, and that particular shot (along with the next one of her behind ITS-sama) shows some incredibly kick-ass angle work.  ^.^

Love the fact that Linux-chan was quite capable of handling ITS-sama's workload -- no doubt ITS-sama lived her whole life among people unwilling or unable to handle even a quarter of those tasks, so the emergence of this Renaissance Girl was unexpected.

And like with the moped (yeah!), Linux-sama's greatest strength is in her superhuman ability to learn quickly and adapt easily to her surroundings (or even to the tactics of enemies).

Not to say it isn't cute to see her a little,... young and insecure.  ^.^


PAGE 2:

BWAHAHAH!!!  MINIX-SENSEI is C-U-T-E!!!!!  ^0^
So is the rather mopey Linux-chan, but Minix-sensei definitely has the charm of the child-types that were still so common in those days.  ^_____^

Although Minix-sensei recognized Linux-sama's potential, it begs the question whether she truly realized the extent with which she would come to change the world.  It also shows the nobility of Minix-sensei's own personal conviction, who sacrificed her own personal success (and possibly even her professional standing) to help her student realize her own full potential.

Just spotted a small spelling mistake in Minix-sensei's [good] advice to avoid those silly wars -- it should be "Keep as far away...".  ^^


PAGE 3:

Kino's Journey references aside, you have some gushingly-beautiful backgrounds going on in these panels.  I have a small hunch that the whole town (and cafe) is teaming with easter eggs (in fact, what's the name of the cafe?), but can't really make it out.

There's something that can be said by Linux-sama's early life in relative peace compared to the Unixes' life immersed in a crazy war.  While this hardens the UNIX-tans into far better fighters in the short-term, Linux-sama is allowed to evolve into a far more complete, independent and incorruptible individual, paving the way to be a smarter, more efficient and more motivated fighter in the long-term.



PAGE 4:

Ah, my poor young Plan9-chan!  ;~;
She's so poor and cute and,... oh LAWD, the bunny ears!!  I must... touch.... them.... *gets hypnotized by ears*  @v@

Hell, get me a mansion and call me a playboy, but she's helluva cute!  ^.^

You're right, though,... the younger Plan9-chan looks so much like UNIX-sama -- even her bunny ears seem like longer extensions of owl ears.  ^^

But her cafe version clearly shows whiter hair, so I'm guessing by then stress has taken her toll.  '__'

That other UNIX-tan in the last panel would be Solaris-san, no? That would be Cameo #1.  ^^



PAGE 5:

Wow,... Plan9-chan couldn't look more downtrodden if she tried.  ^^;

Any chance on divulging the identity of the waitress?  Nice to know she's in touch with the rumor mill and knows all about Linux-sama's handiwork. ^.^

Ah, NOW we see Plan9-chan in some action.  ^.^
The two panels where we see shocked profile shots of her show a very subtle genius in camera angle/focus and (especially in the last panel) literary lighting.  The gradient literally feels like a resonance or echo that helps accentuate the shock of the revelation.  ^.^



PAGE 6:

I know Linux-sama is thinking that, but not sure if Plan9-san is also thinking the preceding text.  Perhaps she is, not wanting to reveal that UNIX-sama is not particularly fond of the young Linux-chan's existence.

It's actually kinda fortunate that the two Unixes that Linux-sama became acquainted with first were two of the most idealistic Unices alive back then.  ^___^

Panel 4 (the beginning of the momentous flashbak) has a very nice closeup shot of a shocked Plan9-chan -- I like it, and more and more you prove what an invaluable idea it was to downturn her ears since they truly accentuate her sadness in ways previously unimaginable.  ^__^

The minor details in UNIX-sama's office are clever, and I think I see another cameo appearance of Solaris-san.  That makes #2.  ^.^

You're already a veteran drawing the Goddess, so no additional praise is required to divulge the full extent of my swoonage every time I see a depiction of yours of UNIX-sama.  ^__^



PAGE 7:

Compared to the previous comic, it's actually kinda scary to see UNIX-sama in a real pinch for once.  Evenm though she's still personally invincible, that is meaningless when its her own children -- her own bloodline -- that's under attack (worse, attacking eachother).  Her hands do look a bit strange in the first panel, though.  Even if they're gloves, they seem a bit too thick.

The slightly phased girl in Panel 3... I thought that was Plan9-chan shocked by UNIX-sama's rather harsh words, but the hair is light-colored.  Is that Solaris-sama's 3rd appearance by any chance? ^__^

Panel 4 Plan9=chan is downright heartbreaking. I Imagine she, like other Unices, didn't approve of Xenix-sama's early career path -- but unlike her sisters, she would have at least appreciated Xenix-sama's incorruptible honesty and loyalty, two traits rare among Unices of the day.

The last panel is a kind of fish-eye shot common in professional mangas -- I applaud you for executing it wonderfully.  ^v^



PAGE 8:

I think this is the greatest congregation of dramatic shots I've seen in this comic!  ^^

First we have an extremely hurt Plan9-chan, fighting back and ultimately losing to a fierce trickle of tears, while coming to terms with the fact that everything that she's ever believed in her whole life has been dashed to pieces in less than a few minutes.  

Next we have an angry and defiant Plan9-chan, asserting herself perhaps for the first time in her life, while also fighting back the sadness that she's essentially turning her back on her mother.

Then we have Plan9-chan LITERALLY turning her back on her mother, all the while UNIX-sama is scolding her from behind.  Followed closely by an AWESOME closeup of the goddess, the fiercness of her bell-labs eyes conveying both fury at the childish rantings of Plan9-chan, as well as a sense of desperation at the thought of losing yet another daughter.

Then finally, the coup de grace,...

Plan9-chan offering a very UNIX-sama-esque profile shot of herself uttering a blunt but strongly-worded counterattack to her mother's chiding.  This is perhaps an unintended foreshadowing of her own strength that she would one day belay as the powerful and strongly-willed leader of her own subfaction.  ^^

Unbeknownst to her, I think her last biting statement was like an emotional stab in the heart for UNIX-sama, and might have helped slide her into the depression state.  After all, at that time, it really did seem like her fate was not all that much better than that of MULTICS-sama several decades earlier.

It also seems interesting to note that UNIX-sama's anger stemmed from Plan9-san's refusal to follow the status quo -- to not become a cannibal in order to survive in a world full of cannibals.  But while it takes courage to say "yes" and do things that you're not proud of, it takes even MORE courage to say "no" and do things that no one else but yourself feels proud of.  Perhaps in a moment of realization, UNIX-sama rememebered that she was once born to say "no" and change the status quo, and somewhere along the line, despite all her strength and power, got eaten.

That's way I feel that, after her depression (and concurrent acquaintance with Linux-sama), she devoted the rest of her life to reshake the status quo at its core (despite the protestations of her hard-lined daughters).



PAGE 9:

Damn cute face on Linux-chan there in panels 1 and 2.  ^.^

I see there's a small reference to the BSD-tans, that's very neat. ^^
FreeBSD-chan certainly would've had the foresight to think "%#%@ this #%#&!", and just walked off and left without much notice, taking her older and younger sister with her.  The older Unices expecting them to come crawling back like the "impudent" children that they were would've severely underestimated their resourcefulness, virtually en par with Linux-sama's.

The last panel, set amidst beautiful scenery, has the same kind of charm as a panel of Aurora's micro-chibis.  The characters have only enough detail to portray who they are, but it's rendered in a very effective and cute manner that's simply a joy to watch.  Linux-sama looks adorably humble, although I do have to point out that her hair style seems a bit different than from the earlier pages. ^___^



PAGE 10:

About 10 or 20 lumps of kudos go to the very effective placement of a lens flare in her glasses.  I think it does much to reflect "tears" of sorts in her eyes.

Likewise, Linux-sama's innocent face in Panel 3 conveys a supreme sense of sympathy and honesty -- combined with her beautifully concise and common sensical appraisal of love, and its no wonder Plan 9-chan hugs her.


All in all, the comic is beautifully written and drawn, and downright epic.  It illustrates an amazing character depth that brings tremendous justice to the characters we've drawn in only a handful of drawings.  It also demonstrates the remarkable extent of all the research you've conducted to make the charming personifications historically-accurate.

The pencil-drawn style is good enough to get the story moving along and is very effective in its own right -- however, if it were to be refined further (and some copyright material verified), I think it can stand as its own publishable work.  Even this forum, I feel, is woefully inadequate to offer this ingenius piece of artwork a good home, and foster the kind of growth needed to expand it further.

I have an awful track record keeping promises, but perhaps that's due to lack of purpose.  If you ever do feel the need to escalate the comic further, you can be damned sure I'll be happy and proud to volunteer my skills and services.  ^___^

I won't go anywhere with my OS-tan artwork (that's a fact, not false modesty), but you still can and I'd love it if you did.  ^^

If Svetlana Chmakova could do it....  Â¯v¯
Title: Bella's OS-tan Manga Thread
Post by: Bella on August 10, 2008, 05:30:58 pm
I'm running a bit outta time and will have to respond...much, much, much, later...but thanks for the review! FYI, that's not ITS-san, that's some random farmer-lady :P
Title: Bella's OS-tan Manga Thread
Post by: Bella on August 21, 2008, 03:08:05 pm
QuoteSWEEEEEEET! 12 pages of Bella comic goodness!

pages 1 + 2: Linux-san as a young girl doing farm work to get some money- Really shows that she has gone a long way to be where and who she is now!

pages 3 + 4: They grow up so fast, don't they? I swear, I nearly cried reading this page! The dialogue and facial expressions are beautiful and moving! *sniffle* Minix-sensei is letting go of her student to go out into the cold and dangerous world!


Well I'm happy you found it so moving :..)

Quotepage 5: Linux-san really is lucky. Very few OS-tans around at the time were not affected by the Unix Wars or OS Wars. Excellent job with the city scenery!


This reflects on how Linux was very uneffected by the troubles of the day--it flew under the radar, as to say. Probably a very good thing, considering... O__O

QuoteAnd is that... Plan 9-san?! Wow! I did not recognize her at first! The years have really done a number on her, huh?

page 6: More sap, and a side of Plan 9-san never seen before: in her childhood when she idolized her mother, Unix-sama! A reflection of how Plan 9 is "more Unix than Unix"! Of course they are very very different in mindset! (and young schoolgirl Plan 9-tan is especially cute in the second-to-last panel!)


Exactly right, Aurora-sama!

Quotepage 7: Plan 9-san sure does not seem to be fine! Plan 9-san and Linux-san encountering each other? This is going to be interesting!
page 8: See, Linux-san? Not all the Unices are scary! Only most of them are!
I feel sad for Plan 9-san too.


Now now, they aren't scary, they're just...okay yeah scary.

Quotepage 10: Darn right, Plan 9-san! Standing strong on what you believe in (for a good cause!) and putting your destiny in your own hands! Darn right!

page 11: Plan 9-san-- no... Plan 9-sama is so righteous! Uprising against her mother and changing her own destiny for her own good (and to not want to hurt her family), and advising Linux-san against entering the Unix family because it could break her spirit!

And when Plan 9-sama goes to visit her cousins, the BSD-tans... Is that when they form the User Space Gang?

page 12: So much sap on this page! Especially on the last panel, the two show a potential for friendship!


Thank you for the review! I'm so happy that you enjoyed the first chapter :D

QuoteThank you Bella-hime! I love the fast and steady pace of your story-telling, and the mangaesque quality of the illustration!! ^v^


...so much for steady, I seem to have hit a bit of a roadblock with my next chapter (involving VMS-sama and her backstory). It was getting a bit dull, IMHO...more on this, later ;)

QuotePAGE 1:

The first panel actually illustrates the great time-saving technique used to work the backgrounds -- you add only enough detail to convey the appearance and scale you're intending, without going overboard with detail and thus detracting away from the characters. ^__^

Hiding Linux-sama's face with her hat is an intriguing touch, and more intriguing is the fact that she does recognize herself as being UNIX-like. ^___^

Somewhere you said you loved horses -- and the way you richly defined the horse really shows that.

The first time that Linux-sama reveals her face demonstrates how truly mangaesque your comic is. One of the greatest strengths of manga art is its recreation of realistic, movie-quality camera angles, and that particular shot (along with the next one of her behind ITS-sama) shows some incredibly kick-ass angle work. ^.^

Love the fact that Linux-chan was quite capable of handling ITS-sama's workload -- no doubt ITS-sama lived her whole life among people unwilling or unable to handle even a quarter of those tasks, so the emergence of this Renaissance Girl was unexpected.

And like with the moped (yeah!), Linux-sama's greatest strength is in her superhuman ability to learn quickly and adapt easily to her surroundings (or even to the tactics of enemies).

Not to say it isn't cute to see her a little,... young and insecure. ^.^


-like hands, backgrounds I'm quite weak at. But I try!
-Linux-sama admiting she's Unix-like comes from the fact that Linux was originally "advertised" as a Unix clone. She had better recognize that fact!
-Mopeds are fun, what can I say :P

QuotePAGE 2:

BWAHAHAH!!! MINIX-SENSEI is C-U-T-E!!!!! ^0^
So is the rather mopey Linux-chan, but Minix-sensei definitely has the charm of the child-types that were still so common in those days. ^_____^

Although Minix-sensei recognized Linux-sama's potential, it begs the question whether she truly realized the extent with which she would come to change the world. It also shows the nobility of Minix-sensei's own personal conviction, who sacrificed her own personal success (and possibly even her professional standing) to help her student realize her own full potential.

Just spotted a small spelling mistake in Minix-sensei's [good] advice to avoid those silly wars -- it should be "Keep as far away...". ^^


-I don't think Minix-sensei or anybody for that matter realized what would come of her.
-Mild dislexia at work >:P

QuotePAGE 3:

Kino's Journey references aside, you have some gushingly-beautiful backgrounds going on in these panels. I have a small hunch that the whole town (and cafe) is teaming with easter eggs (in fact, what's the name of the cafe?), but can't really make it out.

There's something that can be said by Linux-sama's early life in relative peace compared to the Unixes' life immersed in a crazy war. While this hardens the UNIX-tans into far better fighters in the short-term, Linux-sama is allowed to evolve into a far more complete, independent and incorruptible individual, paving the way to be a smarter, more efficient and more motivated fighter in the long-term.


-Uhhmm...I kinda think they're more like...free range eggs...but if you can sink some meaning into them, go ahead. BTW, that was supposed to be "Kate's Cafe" for...no apperent reason ^^
-A running theme in this comic will be Linux-sama's avoidance of any fighting; while she'll skirt warzones here and there, she'll actually have no first-hand experiences (but she will feel very effected by the fighting in chapter 4).

QuotePAGE 4:

Ah, my poor young Plan9-chan! ;~;
She's so poor and cute and,... oh LAWD, the bunny ears!! I must... touch.... them.... *gets hypnotized by ears* @v@

Hell, get me a mansion and call me a playboy, but she's helluva cute! ^.^

You're right, though,... the younger Plan9-chan looks so much like UNIX-sama -- even her bunny ears seem like longer extensions of owl ears. ^^

But her cafe version clearly shows whiter hair, so I'm guessing by then stress has taken her toll. '__'

That other UNIX-tan in the last panel would be Solaris-san, no? That would be Cameo #1. ^^


-Why do I have the urge to draw Plan 9-chan in a bunnygirl suit? @__@
-Yep, Unix/Plan 9-san looking alike is purly intentional. Though I suppose the latter wouldn't be one fraction as intimidating as Unix-sama. :P
-This is Solaris-tan, when she still work glasses and braids and was called SunOS-tan.

QuotePAGE 5:

Wow,... Plan9-chan couldn't look more downtrodden if she tried. ^^;

Any chance on divulging the identity of the waitress? Nice to know she's in touch with the rumor mill and knows all about Linux-sama's handiwork. ^.^

Ah, NOW we see Plan9-chan in some action. ^.^
The two panels where we see shocked profile shots of her show a very subtle genius in camera angle/focus and (especially in the last panel) literary lighting. The gradient literally feels like a resonance or echo that helps accentuate the shock of the revelation. ^.^


-Waitress lady is some some....waitress lady. Maybe she's a program or file-tan or something, though...I dunno actually XD
-I try to put a lot of thought into my camera angles. It can add a lot to a comic IMHO.

QuotePAGE 6:

I know Linux-sama is thinking that, but not sure if Plan9-san is also thinking the preceding text. Perhaps she is, not wanting to reveal that UNIX-sama is not particularly fond of the young Linux-chan's existence.

It's actually kinda fortunate that the two Unixes that Linux-sama became acquainted with first were two of the most idealistic Unices alive back then. ^___^

Panel 4 (the beginning of the momentous flashbak) has a very nice closeup shot of a shocked Plan9-chan -- I like it, and more and more you prove what an invaluable idea it was to downturn her ears since they truly accentuate her sadness in ways previously unimaginable. ^__^

The minor details in UNIX-sama's office are clever, and I think I see another cameo appearance of Solaris-san. That makes #2. ^.^

You're already a veteran drawing the Goddess, so no additional praise is required to divulge the full extent of my swoonage every time I see a depiction of yours of UNIX-sama. ^__^


-No, Plan 9-san is talking. I forgot to put a little direction spike at the bottom of the talk bubble. BTW, my next chapter will have digitally-rendered talk bubbles (as Aurora-sama does), so this will be avoided from now on.
-I have no idea how I got to be a veteran of drawing Unix-sama...well...she's one of my favorite characters so maybe that's how... :P

QuotePAGE 7:

Compared to the previous comic, it's actually kinda scary to see UNIX-sama in a real pinch for once. Evenm though she's still personally invincible, that is meaningless when its her own children -- her own bloodline -- that's under attack (worse, attacking eachother). Her hands do look a bit strange in the first panel, though. Even if they're gloves, they seem a bit too thick.

The slightly phased girl in Panel 3... I thought that was Plan9-chan shocked by UNIX-sama's rather harsh words, but the hair is light-colored. Is that Solaris-sama's 3rd appearance by any chance? ^__^

Panel 4 Plan9=chan is downright heartbreaking. I Imagine she, like other Unices, didn't approve of Xenix-sama's early career path -- but unlike her sisters, she would have at least appreciated Xenix-sama's incorruptible honesty and loyalty, two traits rare among Unices of the day.

The last panel is a kind of fish-eye shot common in professional mangas -- I applaud you for executing it wonderfully. ^v^


-This comic will probably explore the more vulnerable side of Unix-sama, actually of a lot of the characters; because it was a somewhat tough time for most of them in some way.
-I do suck and hands and try to avoid drawing them when possible. >__<
-Yes, panel 3 features Solaris-tan. Cantcha tell by her messy, short hair?
-I don't think Plan 9-san would have liked Xenix-sama's choice of career, but she would have put the fact that they were related over her "betraying" their honor.
-I wanted to try out a fisheye shot. Thanks :D

QuotePAGE 8:

I think this is the greatest congregation of dramatic shots I've seen in this comic! ^^

First we have an extremely hurt Plan9-chan, fighting back and ultimately losing to a fierce trickle of tears, while coming to terms with the fact that everything that she's ever believed in her whole life has been dashed to pieces in less than a few minutes.

Next we have an angry and defiant Plan9-chan, asserting herself perhaps for the first time in her life, while also fighting back the sadness that she's essentially turning her back on her mother.

Then we have Plan9-chan LITERALLY turning her back on her mother, all the while UNIX-sama is scolding her from behind. Followed closely by an AWESOME closeup of the goddess, the fiercness of her bell-labs eyes conveying both fury at the childish rantings of Plan9-chan, as well as a sense of desperation at the thought of losing yet another daughter.

Then finally, the coup de grace,...

Plan9-chan offering a very UNIX-sama-esque profile shot of herself uttering a blunt but strongly-worded counterattack to her mother's chiding. This is perhaps an unintended foreshadowing of her own strength that she would one day belay as the powerful and strongly-willed leader of her own subfaction. ^^

Unbeknownst to her, I think her last biting statement was like an emotional stab in the heart for UNIX-sama, and might have helped slide her into the depression state. After all, at that time, it really did seem like her fate was not all that much better than that of MULTICS-sama several decades earlier.

It also seems interesting to note that UNIX-sama's anger stemmed from Plan9-san's refusal to follow the status quo -- to not become a cannibal in order to survive in a world full of cannibals. But while it takes courage to say "yes" and do things that you're not proud of, it takes even MORE courage to say "no" and do things that no one else but yourself feels proud of. Perhaps in a moment of realization, UNIX-sama rememebered that she was once born to say "no" and change the status quo, and somewhere along the line, despite all her strength and power, got eaten.

That's way I feel that, after her depression (and concurrent acquaintance with Linux-sama), she devoted the rest of her life to reshake the status quo at its core (despite the protestations of her hard-lined daughters).



-I do think Plan 9-san was loosing her faith in her mother slowly, and years of being broken down a bit at a time came to the surface here.
-Yeah, the idea that Unix-sama was headed for the same bad fate as Multics-sama will be explored in a later chapter (#8).
-I really liked hearing your review of this page. You give a lot of interesting thoughts about it...most are right-on, I have to say.

QuotePAGE 9:

Damn cute face on Linux-chan there in panels 1 and 2. ^.^

I see there's a small reference to the BSD-tans, that's very neat. ^^
FreeBSD-chan certainly would've had the foresight to think "%#%@ this #%#&!", and just walked off and left without much notice, taking her older and younger sister with her. The older Unices expecting them to come crawling back like the "impudent" children that they were would've severely underestimated their resourcefulness, virtually en par with Linux-sama's.

The last panel, set amidst beautiful scenery, has the same kind of charm as a panel of Aurora's micro-chibis. The characters have only enough detail to portray who they are, but it's rendered in a very effective and cute manner that's simply a joy to watch. Linux-sama looks adorably humble, although I do have to point out that her hair style seems a bit different than from the earlier pages. ^___^


-I always wondered how the BSD sisters would have left--I assumed that they were never a part of the Unix faction, honestly.
-Yep, instead of chibis, I like doing just very simple figures for farther-away shots.

QuotePAGE 10:

About 10 or 20 lumps of kudos go to the very effective placement of a lens flare in her glasses. I think it does much to reflect "tears" of sorts in her eyes.

Likewise, Linux-sama's innocent face in Panel 3 conveys a supreme sense of sympathy and honesty -- combined with her beautifully concise and common sensical appraisal of love, and its no wonder Plan 9-chan hugs her.


-Lens flare was put there cause I screwed up a bit in drawing the eyes ^///^

QuoteAll in all, the comic is beautifully written and drawn, and downright epic. It illustrates an amazing character depth that brings tremendous justice to the characters we've drawn in only a handful of drawings. It also demonstrates the remarkable extent of all the research you've conducted to make the charming personifications historically-accurate.

The pencil-drawn style is good enough to get the story moving along and is very effective in its own right -- however, if it were to be refined further (and some copyright material verified), I think it can stand as its own publishable work. Even this forum, I feel, is woefully inadequate to offer this ingenius piece of artwork a good home, and foster the kind of growth needed to expand it further.

I have an awful track record keeping promises, but perhaps that's due to lack of purpose. If you ever do feel the need to escalate the comic further, you can be damned sure I'll be happy and proud to volunteer my skills and services. ^___^

I won't go anywhere with my OS-tan artwork (that's a fact, not false modesty), but you still can and I'd love it if you did. ^^

If Svetlana Chmakova could do it.... ¯v¯


-Actually, it's drawn in pen and ink with pencil/digital shading.

And honestly, I think the copywright problems would get in the way too much for any OS-tan centric comic to be published. Course, if I wanted to publish a manga I'd have a ton of original ideas to choose from...but I don't know that I'd want to, not at this point at least.

But I thank you for offering any help...maybe if I make a webpage or something...?

Anyhow
....

Chapter THREE (you heard me right, I have forgone chapter two, due to a chronic lack of ideas. But it MUST be centered around VMS-sama in some way, because of some references in chapter three) is all sketched up and the dialogue has been jotted down; I need to ink it, though, and add the text. The title is going to be...and this chapter has nothing to do with my homeland...Live Free or Die. It just perfectly fits the theme of the chapter, though :P

But here's my problem. I have certain parts of this story completly planned out...almost down to the timelines, dialogue and different panels. Ironically, the last chapter is probably the one I have the most fleshed-out; others I'm a bit fuzzy about.

What I want to keep throughout the story:

-I want to keep it simple. I don't want to get bogged down in details, I don't want to have too many storylines going at once, I want each chapter to be fairly independent.

-The idea that Linux-sama affected each of the people she met in some way, and they in turn affected her in some way.

-Each chapter I want to have one strong theme to it. For example:

Chapter 1: Standing up for one's convictions
Chapter 2: ...Family?
Chapter 3: Freedom
Chapter 4: The matter of destiny, fate vs. coincedence
Chapter 5: Conflicting ideologies...? I know it will center around Linux-sama's interactions with the GNU people. She'll feel conflicted because she wants people to like her because she's a good person--a better leader--, while the GNU people want people to like her because of her (their, actually) ideology.
Chapter 6: Teamwork
Chapter 7: I have no idea O_O
Chapter 8: What goes around, comes around, and the idea of a curse

As it stands, chapter two ran into a few problems. For one thing, the story isn't very simple. Two, it has too many storylines and too much dialogue. It doesn't have a storng enough theme.

It is supposed to be about VMS-sama and how her discovery of NT-chan took its toll on her. As I have it planned out, it alternated from a flashback of her confronting MS about her daughter and then went to a story about VxWorks-tan inviting Linux-chan aboard VMS-sama's sailboat. At some point...gasp...VMS-sama lets on to Linux-chan that she has a daughter out there, and that she can never really have contact with her.

But I wonder if it wouldn't be better to have the timeline alternate from the modern day, focusing on VMS-sama and her "adopted daughter" FreeVMS-chan, and have her looking back on her discovery of NT-chan, her retreat aboard her boat, and then have her meeting Linux-chan. It would toss it up a bit. But this begs the question--how do I tie a storyline about FreeVMS-chan and VMS-sama, set in the current time, back to her interactions with Linux-chan in the early 1990s?

Which leads to this: I'm overthinking it too much. I really winged the first chapter; but then again, I really knew what I was going to write and really had it all planned out.
Title: Bella's OS-tan Manga Thread
Post by: C-Chan on August 24, 2008, 03:08:09 pm
QuoteI'm running a bit outta time and will have to respond...much, much, much, later...but thanks for the review! FYI, that's not ITS-san, that's some random farmer-lady :P


Could've fooled me with the moped.  ^_____^
Then again, ITS-sama wouldn't have ahd the bags around her mouth.  -v-

Quote
...so much for steady, I seem to have hit a bit of a roadblock with my next chapter (involving VMS-sama and her backstory). It was getting a bit dull, IMHO...more on this, later


You're adding too much detail in it, didn't you?  `v'

Quote-like hands, backgrounds I'm quite weak at. But I try!


That's a lie.  Your hands came out beautifully on that VMS-sama pic, remember?  `v'

Quote-Mopeds are fun, what can I say :P


From personal experience?  ^.^

Quote-Uhhmm...I kinda think they're more like...free range eggs...but if you can sink some meaning into them, go ahead. BTW, that was supposed to be "Kate's Cafe" for...no apperent reason ^^


Well Kate IS a popular editor for KDE.  ^___^

In that person over there DOES kinda look like an Awk-tan.... Oh, and do I see Pipe-kun in that street corner?!  @v@

*keeps attributing meaning to everything*

Quote-Why do I have the urge to draw Plan 9-chan in a bunnygirl suit? @__@


Redundancy?  ^^;

Quote-This is Solaris-tan, when she still work glasses and braids and was called SunOS-tan.


*initiates squealage bombardment*  ^0^

Quote-Waitress lady is some some....waitress lady. Maybe she's a program or file-tan or something, though...I dunno actually XD


Xorg-tan!!!  `v'

Quote-I try to put a lot of thought into my camera angles. It can add a lot to a comic IMHO.


Quote-I wanted to try out a fisheye shot. Thanks


Manga IS all about camera angles!  you're doing great!  ^-^

Quote-I don't think Plan 9-san would have liked Xenix-sama's choice of career, but she would have put the fact that they were related over her "betraying" their honor.


Speaking of which,... we're due for a color version of Xenix-sama.  ^__^

*ponders the unponderable*

Quote-I do think Plan 9-san was loosing her faith in her mother slowly, and years of being broken down a bit at a time came to the surface here.
-Yeah, the idea that Unix-sama was headed for the same bad fate as Multics-sama will be explored in a later chapter (#.
-I really liked hearing your review of this page. You give a lot of interesting thoughts about it...most are right-on, I have to say.


Well if you say "most" are right on, that means that some are still crap, huh?  ;__;

HAHA!!  j/k!  j/k!
No but definitely, I appreciate that you appreciate that monster review I wrote.  Hopefully it was as fun reading it as it was for me writing it.  ^__^

Quote
-I always wondered how the BSD sisters would have left--I assumed that they were never a part of the Unix faction, honestly.


In principle, no they were never physically part of the UNIX faction - they were just hauled in by association.  FreeB-chan especially was sent tons of disciplinary notices over crimes and infringements she had no idea existed, and really didn't care to learn about.  When ordered to perform her patriotic duty and fight in the Unix wars, she just left.  For a woman of such genius (or perhaps because of it), she keeps all her actions simple and blunt.

QuoteBut I thank you for offering any help...maybe if I make a webpage or something...?


I haven't made a webpage in years, but I think I still have what it takes.  We might need to consult Aurora-hime for a refresher, but I think it can be arranged!  ^o^

Would be a great opportunity to acquaint you with Nvu, Kompozer and/or Bluefish.  ^___^

*keeps typing*

Added after 35 minutes:

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Chapter THREE (you heard me right, I have forgone chapter two, due to a chronic lack of ideas. But it MUST be centered around VMS-sama in some way, because of some references in chapter three) is all sketched up and the dialogue has been jotted down; I need to ink it, though, and add the text. The title is going to be...and this chapter has nothing to do with my homeland...Live Free or Die. It just perfectly fits the theme of the chapter, though :P


I wish I could see it (and also absorb the details from the presumed Chapter 2), but is there any way to simply drop Chapter 2, make Chapter 3 into Chapter 2, and simply keep all those references to VMS-sama as brief flashbacks?.

Quote
But here's my problem. I have certain parts of this story completly planned out...almost down to the timelines, dialogue and different panels. Ironically, the last chapter is probably the one I have the most fleshed-out; others I'm a bit fuzzy about.


Reminds me of my conundrum with the DSL-kun comic I dreamed of working on.  Beginning and End were perfectly planned out, but the real meat of the story was a jumbled mess of ideas... -v-

Quote
-I want to keep it simple. I don't want to get bogged down in details, I don't want to have too many storylines going at once, I want each chapter to be fairly independent.


In that case, you're gonna have to do a lot less than 8 chapters.  ^.^

Quote-The idea that Linux-sama affected each of the people she met in some way, and they in turn affected her in some way.


Good.  ^__^

Quote-Each chapter I want to have one strong theme to it. For example:

Chapter 1: Standing up for one's convictions
Chapter 2: ...Family?
Chapter 3: Freedom
Chapter 4: The matter of destiny, fate vs. coincedence
Chapter 5: Conflicting ideologies...? I know it will center around Linux-sama's interactions with the GNU people. She'll feel conflicted because she wants people to like her because she's a good person--a better leader--, while the GNU people want people to like her because of her (their, actually) ideology.
Chapter 6: Teamwork
Chapter 7: I have no idea O_O
Chapter 8: What goes around, comes around, and the idea of a curse


1:  Worked out!  ^__^
2:  Drop -- besides, shouldn't be any different than teamwork
3:  Seems like it's in progress.  ^.^
4:  I'd be interested to hear who she'll interact with here.  
5:  This is a throwback to her original preconcept story.  Plus, where gets her armor.  ^v^
6:  +Family
7:  Oh, just drop it.  ^v^
8:  UNIX-sama?  @@

If you keep it at six chapters, I think it will be plausible to see this through without issue, and still tell an epic story.  ^^

Quote
It is supposed to be about VMS-sama and how her discovery of NT-chan took its toll on her. As I have it planned out, it alternated from a flashback of her confronting MS about her daughter and then went to a story about VxWorks-tan inviting Linux-chan aboard VMS-sama's sailboat. At some point...gasp...VMS-sama lets on to Linux-chan that she has a daughter out there, and that she can never really have contact with her.


Ah, I see,... this does strongly tie with our original brainstorming sessions.  But still, any chance this can be incorporated into chapter 6 instead?

Quote
But I wonder if it wouldn't be better to have the timeline alternate from the modern day, focusing on VMS-sama and her "adopted daughter" FreeVMS-chan, and have her looking back on her discovery of NT-chan, her retreat aboard her boat, and then have her meeting Linux-chan. It would toss it up a bit. But this begs the question--how do I tie a storyline about FreeVMS-chan and VMS-sama, set in the current time, back to her interactions with Linux-chan in the early 1990s?


I actually thought that your entire comic would not only fluctuate between different timelines, but also between different characters as well.  From that mindset, it wouldn't be strange at all to have the story suddently switch to VMS-sama in the present.

However, if you still want to keep it Linux-centric, consider a modern day scenario where a fort (=bank, police precint or some other critical institution) is retiring NT-san and having Linux-sama take command.  After a not-entirely-friendly handover of power (especially considering this is one of the last useful jobs NT-san has left in the world), NT-san hands over the fort's colors then marches out solemnly with her personnel.

It's then that Linux-sama spots VMS-sama among the crowd of onlookers; and later on, when she's finally settled her personnel in the fort, she sets off to track down the elusive OS-tan.

It's probably near a lakeside that she finds  VMS-sama alongside an overly-protective FreeVMS-chan, who's about ready to start a fight before her "mother" sends (or rather forces) her off on an errand.

After some small talk between the two, Linux-sama asks if FreeVMS-tan is the long-lost daughter she was referring to.  Eventually this would lead down to the aforementioned flashback -- and while NT-san would never be referred to by name, Linux-sama does in the end manage to put two and two together, given that VMS-sama wouldn't be sneaking around such a mundane ceremony for no good reason.

And for a more dramatic impact (and unnecessary sequel material), supposing FreeVMS-chan stuck around to eavesdrop on the two?  '__'

QuoteWhich leads to this: I'm overthinking it too much. I really winged the first chapter; but then again, I really knew what I was going to write and really had it all planned out.


Well yes, I agree you're falling into a C-channian trap.  Don't become like, Bella-hime.  ^_________^;
Title: Bella's OS-tan Manga Thread
Post by: Bella on August 25, 2008, 01:19:24 pm
QuoteCould've fooled me with the moped. ^_____^
Then again, ITS-sama wouldn't have ahd the bags around her mouth. -v-


Yeeeeah…that’s an old lady, obviously. Well, as old as manga will allow O__o

Quote
That's a lie. Your hands came out beautifully on that VMS-sama pic, remember? `v'


Well I was using Inkscape, tracing a picture of my own hands, so I could fidget around with them until they came out right.

I honestly don’t wanna spend the time. Hence, the hands are hidden most of the time.

QuoteWell Kate IS a popular editor for KDE. ^___^

In that person over there DOES kinda look like an Awk-tan.... Oh, and do I see Pipe-kun in that street corner?! @v@

*keeps attributing meaning to everything*


And Kate is the name of a Slackware based distro. Maybe some foreshadowing!? :O

Quote*initiates squealage bombardment* ^0^


Ahaha! You are a megane fan too!


QuoteSpeaking of which,... we're due for a color version of Xenix-sama. ^__^

*ponders the unponderable*


I kid you frickin’ not, just yesterday I was thinking about drawing Xenix-sama. My psychic powers know no bounds!!1! @___@


QuoteWell if you say "most" are right on, that means that some are still crap, huh? ;__;

HAHA!! j/k! j/k!
No but definitely, I appreciate that you appreciate that monster review I wrote. Hopefully it was as fun reading it as it was for me writing it. ^__^


Now now, I think all the best stories leave room for personal interpretation.

QuoteIn principle, no they were never physically part of the UNIX faction - they were just hauled in by association. FreeB-chan especially was sent tons of disciplinary notices over crimes and infringements she had no idea existed, and really didn't care to learn about. When ordered to perform her patriotic duty and fight in the Unix wars, she just left. For a woman of such genius (or perhaps because of it), she keeps all her actions simple and blunt.


Whoa! A deserter! A draft dodger! A typical Berkeleyite! ^_^
I always wondered how the BSD patent infringement problems would play into an OS-tan context. Thanks for answering this.


QuoteI haven't made a webpage in years, but I think I still have what it takes. We might need to consult Aurora-hime for a refresher, but I think it can be arranged! ^o^

Would be a great opportunity to acquaint you with Nvu, Kompozer and/or Bluefish. ^___^


Sounds like fun! :D


QuoteI wish I could see it (and also absorb the details from the presumed Chapter 2), but is there any way to simply drop Chapter 2, make Chapter 3 into Chapter 2, and simply keep all those references to VMS-sama as brief flashbacks?.


I'd rather not...more on this later...

Quote1: Worked out! ^__^
2: Drop -- besides, shouldn't be any different than teamwork
3: Seems like it's in progress. ^.^
4: I'd be interested to hear who she'll interact with here.
5: This is a throwback to her original preconcept story. Plus, where gets her armor. ^v^
6: +Family
7: Oh, just drop it. ^v^
8: UNIX-sama? @@


To reply and add a bit more information…

2: I’m starting to agree (but I love your proposed idea!)

3 (really 2): Yes, all planned out. I really like it…I think. It’ll have to do with the young ITS-san’s interactions with Multics-sama, and how this made her determined to live as free and detached from riches as possible.

4 : Leopard-san. I hope to have it open with a scene of Linux-sama, being lavished with gifts and good treatment by the GNU people, to her chagrin. She’ll wonder at this point if this was all the work of coincidence…or if it really is her destiny.

Going back a few months, in transit to Cambridge (on her way to see the GNU people), Linux-chan will have some bad experience involving the OS (or Unix) Wars. While she isn’t personally involved, let’s say she sees a destructed town while traveling though the countryside, or meets some individuals who were effected by the fighting. She becomes discouraged and doubtful of her own place in this world, and thinks that she’ll never be able to change anything for the better. She decides to not continue on her journey, and instead return “home” to Minix-san.

Leopard-san somehow knows about this, and knows this is a pivotal point in history. She knows (somehow) that if Linux-chan goes home, it’ll be for the worse; so she appears (under the guise of it all being a dream), and shows Linux-chan what the future will hold if she continues on her current path.

Whoops--spoiler alert…? I know this brings up some pretty horrific time travel paradoxes, but I figure since Linux-sama won’t realize it’s actually happening, and think it’s just a dream, I can be a bit whimsical.

5: Kinda. I’d also like to have a flashback involving ITS-san, WAITS-san, Emacs-kun (who’d be just a young boy) and some of the early hackers to paint a picture of the early hacker culture, which would have been brimming with fellowship, harmony, and liberation and how they slowly lost their “utopia”. This could also go to explain why the GNU people were so determined to re-create this culture with their proposed “GNU-sama” who never showed up…instead Linux-sama did, and I’d like to show how this almost accidental event changed her life, and their lives, forever.

6: Not so much. As planned, it’d start with a few high-ranking Unixen very worried over Linux-sama and her recent development of power. They send some of their troopers (or maybe even go themselves) to try and capture her or take her out at some point when they know she’ll be alone. Long story short, Apache-tan will show up at just the right point to help Linux-sama out of what could have been quite a jam.

Or…if I want to integrate chapters 6 and 7...I could say Unix-sama gave the order for Linux-sama to be brought in (very specifically alive). Some Unix-tans set out to capture her; while they’re initially rather non-threatening, Linux-sama isn’t taking chances (we could have a quick flashback to some earlier scuffle between Linux-sama and some Unixen. But what they aren’t counting on is Apache-tan being with her; and together they hold off the horde of aggressors. But apparently they aren’t good enough, because Linux-sama gets captured and brought to Unix-sama, leading to chapter 8 (or 6).

But this brings up the question of why exactly Apache-tan is with Linux-sama, and what she adds to the chapter is Linux-sama gonna be captured anyway.

7: Agreed. Should be integrated into chapter 6.

8: I’d like this to start with a subdued, but still very emotional, confrontation between Unix-sama and one of her creators in the last throws of the Unix Wars (early/mid 90s). In it, she questions him on why he  never told her about her relationship with Multics-sama. He replies with a comment about them just wanting to keep life simple for her, and goes on to question if knowing the whole truth would have kept her from making the mistakes she did.

In a flashback to the early 70s, we would see some of  Unix-sama’s interactions with GECOS-san, and her burning (yet rather child-like) curiosity about having some kind of family. To her dismay, her first job is the mundane task of working in the patent office at Bell Labs (a historical fact, Unix was first used for this job). Somehow she comes across a file on Multics-sama and begins to think that they do, in fact, share a relation. GECOS-san finds out about Unix-sama’s newfound discovery, and assures her that they share no relation; and furthermore tells her some very horrible things about Multics-sama.

While we don’t really see any of the fight between the two, we certainly see the aftermath. She felt her life got significantly more complicated after gaining her mother’s power--almost as if it was cursed--and how she later felt that all she faced during the Unix Wars were almost like “karma” for all the mistakes she had made.

Flashing back to the mid 1990s, we see the discussion between Unix and Linux-sama (after the latter’s capture). I don’t want to give too much away, but we see how the two of them decided to work with each other to ensure the survival of their kind.

I know there’s some blaring plotholes in these ideas, but I welcome and love all sorts of input.

QuoteI actually thought that your entire comic would not only fluctuate between different timelines, but also between different characters as well. From that mindset, it wouldn't be strange at all to have the story suddently switch to VMS-sama in the present.


No, this is a good point.

QuoteHowever, if you still want to keep it Linux-centric, consider a modern day scenario where a fort (=bank, police precint or some other critical institution) is retiring NT-san and having Linux-sama take command. After a not-entirely-friendly handover of power (especially considering this is one of the last useful jobs NT-san has left in the world), NT-san hands over the fort's colors then marches out solemnly with her personnel.

It's then that Linux-sama spots VMS-sama among the crowd of onlookers; and later on, when she's finally settled her personnel in the fort, she sets off to track down the elusive OS-tan.

It's probably near a lakeside that she finds VMS-sama alongside an overly-protective FreeVMS-chan, who's about ready to start a fight before her "mother" sends (or rather forces) her off on an errand.

After some small talk between the two, Linux-sama asks if FreeVMS-tan is the long-lost daughter she was referring to. Eventually this would lead down to the aforementioned flashback -- and while NT-san would never be referred to by name, Linux-sama does in the end manage to put two and two together, given that VMS-sama wouldn't be sneaking around such a mundane ceremony for no good reason.


Ahhhh! This is a wonderful idea, just wonderful! I am thinking to…linearly, and I don't want my comic to be to linear. Thank you very much!

QuoteAnd for a more dramatic impact (and unnecessary sequel material), supposing FreeVMS-chan stuck around to eavesdrop on the two? '__'


Maybe, maybe not. We want it sappy, not soapy.
Title: Bella's OS-tan Manga Thread
Post by: Aurora Borealis on August 25, 2008, 05:38:59 pm
Quote from: "Bella"
Yeeeeah…that’s an old lady, obviously. Well, as old as manga will allow O__o

I've seen elderly ladies in anime and manga before, but there are not very many of them.

Quote
Well I was using Inkscape, tracing a picture of my own hands, so I could fidget around with them until they came out right.

I honestly don’t wanna spend the time. Hence, the hands are hidden most of the time.

Still, they turned out great! I totally suck at drawing hands -_-

Quote
And Kate is the name of a Slackware based distro. Maybe some foreshadowing!? :O

KateOS-tan!

I at first thought that Kate's Cafe was sort of a reference to your K8 machine! ;012

Quote
I kid you frickin’ not, just yesterday I was thinking about drawing Xenix-sama. My psychic powers know no bounds!!1! @___@

I was thinking about sketching Xenix-san too, to show what she'll look like in my second story! (She'll be based off of C-Chan's original suggestions as well as your original drawing of her)

QuoteWhoa! A deserter! A draft dodger! A typical Berkeleyite! ^_^
I always wondered how the BSD patent infringement problems would play into an OS-tan context. Thanks for answering this.

Awesome! Free BSD-tan openly dodging the Unix War draft made her even cooler, and she was a cool character to begin with!

Quote
3 (really 2): Yes, all planned out. I really like it…I think. It’ll have to do with the young ITS-san’s interactions with Multics-sama, and how this made her determined to live as free and detached from riches as possible.

Hmm... I wonder if ITS-san tried living Multics-sama's lifestyle but felt like it was holding her back, or if Multics-sama oppressed her!

Quote
4 : Leopard-san. I hope to have it open with a scene of Linux-sama, being lavished with gifts and good treatment by the GNU people, to her chagrin. She’ll wonder at this point if this was all the work of coincidence…or if it really is her destiny.

Whoa... Leopard-tan going back in time has had influence on Linux-sama? Cool! (And even fits my original Leopard-tan preconcept as a messenger from the future!)

Quote
Going back a few months, in transit to Cambridge (on her way to see the GNU people), Linux-chan will have some bad experience involving the OS (or Unix) Wars. While she isn’t personally involved, let’s say she sees a destructed town while traveling though the countryside, or meets some individuals who were effected by the fighting. She becomes discouraged and doubtful of her own place in this world, and thinks that she’ll never be able to change anything for the better. She decides to not continue on her journey, and instead return “home” to Minix-san.

Oh my... Even Linux-sama was not exempt from the difficulties of the time!

Quote
Leopard-san somehow knows about this, and knows this is a pivotal point in history. She knows (somehow) that if Linux-chan goes home, it’ll be for the worse; so she appears (under the guise of it all being a dream), and shows Linux-chan what the future will hold if she continues on her current path.

Whoops--spoiler alert…? I know this brings up some pretty horrific time travel paradoxes, but I figure since Linux-sama won’t realize it’s actually happening, and think it’s just a dream, I can be a bit whimsical.

Sweet! A dystopian element to the story! I like it!

Quote
5: Kinda. I’d also like to have a flashback involving ITS-san, WAITS-san, Emacs-kun (who’d be just a young boy) and some of the early hackers to paint a picture of the early hacker culture, which would have been brimming with fellowship, harmony, and liberation and how they slowly lost their “utopia”. This could also go to explain why the GNU people were so determined to re-create this culture with their proposed “GNU-sama” who never showed up…instead Linux-sama did, and I’d like to show how this almost accidental event changed her life, and their lives, forever.

Oh boy, have the times changed! I nearly forgot that "hackers" back then were different (freedom-seeking and not malicious) kind of breed than they are now!

How did these hackers lose their culture? But by chance, Linux-sama became its savior!

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6: Not so much. As planned, it’d start with a few high-ranking Unixen very worried over Linux-sama and her recent development of power. They send some of their troopers (or maybe even go themselves) to try and capture her or take her out at some point when they know she’ll be alone. Long story short, Apache-tan will show up at just the right point to help Linux-sama out of what could have been quite a jam.

Or…if I want to integrate chapters 6 and 7...I could say Unix-sama gave the order for Linux-sama to be brought in (very specifically alive). Some Unix-tans set out to capture her; while they’re initially rather non-threatening, Linux-sama isn’t taking chances (we could have a quick flashback to some earlier scuffle between Linux-sama and some Unixen. But what they aren’t counting on is Apache-tan being with her; and together they hold off the horde of aggressors. But apparently they aren’t good enough, because Linux-sama gets captured and brought to Unix-sama, leading to chapter 8 (or 6).

So it's around this time that Linux-sama gains significance to the Unices, but they see her as a threat and are out to capture her, but Linux-sama will not be captured without a good fight! Aw yeah! :D

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But this brings up the question of why exactly Apache-tan is with Linux-sama, and what she adds to the chapter is Linux-sama gonna be captured anyway.

I'm not sure, but maybe she is Linux-sama's ally who showed up at the last minute to help her, and she did because she supports her beliefs or something?

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8: I’d like this to start with a subdued, but still very emotional, confrontation between Unix-sama and one of her creators in the last throws of the Unix Wars (early/mid 90s). In it, she questions him on why he  never told her about her relationship with Multics-sama. He replies with a comment about them just wanting to keep life simple for her, and goes on to question if knowing the whole truth would have kept her from making the mistakes she did.

Unix-sama was not told that Multics-sama is her mother for a long time?! But I think that could explain why Unix-sama went full-force against her in that fight early in her life, not holding back at all because she was unaware of the fact her opponent was her own flesh and blood!

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In a flashback to the early 70s, we would see some of  Unix-sama’s interactions with GECOS-san, and her burning (yet rather child-like) curiosity about having some kind of family. To her dismay, her first job is the mundane task of working in the patent office at Bell Labs (a historical fact, Unix was first used for this job). Somehow she comes across a file on Multics-sama and begins to think that they do, in fact, share a relation. GECOS-san finds out about Unix-sama’s newfound discovery, and assures her that they share no relation; and furthermore tells her some very horrible things about Multics-sama.

Unix-sama... With child-like qualities and curiousity? *head explodes*

I like the historical fact you added in, and it's pretty amazing that a patent office worker would later rise to incredible power!

And that Unix-sama was told terrible things about Multics-sama by GECOS-san, I wonder if that fueled Unix-sama's hatred towards Multics-sama, and if that is the start of her apprenticeship with GECOS-san?

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While we don’t really see any of the fight between the two, we certainly see the aftermath. She felt her life got significantly more complicated after gaining her mother’s power--almost as if it was cursed--and how she later felt that all she faced during the Unix Wars were almost like “karma” for all the mistakes she had made.

What goes around comes around! (And it was mentioned in the first descriptions of Multics-sama that after the fight, Unix-sama was not happy at all defeating her and gaining her power)

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Flashing back to the mid 1990s, we see the discussion between Unix and Linux-sama (after the latter’s capture). I don’t want to give too much away, but we see how the two of them decided to work with each other to ensure the survival of their kind.

...And the Linux/Unix Consortium is founded!

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I know there’s some blaring plotholes in these ideas, but I welcome and love all sorts of input.

It all looks very good and I didn't see any blaring plotholes, except for how did Leopard-tan from the future know that Linux-sama was about to throw her own life away and went back in time to warn Linux-sama of the consequences of giving up her quest?

QuoteHowever, if you still want to keep it Linux-centric, consider a modern day scenario where a fort (=bank, police precint or some other critical institution) is retiring NT-san and having Linux-sama take command. After a not-entirely-friendly handover of power (especially considering this is one of the last useful jobs NT-san has left in the world), NT-san hands over the fort's colors then marches out solemnly with her personnel.

But NT-tan is also a mother with lots of troublesome kids and 'sisters' to tend to! That there is a full-time job! (or was this before NT-tan had kids?)

Anyways, I like this scenario and how it ties in VMS-sama and NT-tan into this whole story centering on Linux-sama! Good job! ;010
Title: Bella's OS-tan Manga Thread
Post by: Bella on August 28, 2008, 08:33:45 pm
***EDITED***
More post-production was done to clean up some messy areas.

Oh lawd…sorry for the HUEG post, again. Mods don’t kill me, again. Hope you like the chapter, again.

Chapter 2: Live Free or Die
(part one, I shall post part two later on. Suspense n’ all!)


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Notes on this chapter so far: The title "Live Free or Die", of course, was inspired by the my home state's motto. Fun fact, the rest of this saying goes, "death is not the worse of all evils". And all the post-production of this chapter was done in Inkscape.

QuoteStill, they turned out great! I totally suck at drawing hands -_-


I try to work more on the form than on the fine detail. It could help looking at pictures and tracing them (if your vector sketching); hand sketching is a bit more difficult, but DA has a lot of good tutorials on the subject.

QuoteKateOS-tan!

I at first thought that Kate's Cafe was sort of a reference to your K8 machine!  


Hmmm...maybe it is...if we see Dy’s diner at any point, we’ll know for sure ^^

QuoteI was thinking about sketching Xenix-san too, to show what she'll look like in my second story! (She'll be based off of C-Chan's original suggestions as well as your original drawing of her)


Oooh, I can't wait to see her. :D

QuoteHmm... I wonder if ITS-san tried living Multics-sama's lifestyle but felt like it was holding her back, or if Multics-sama oppressed her!

Not really either...but I imagine the two would have been very antagonistic with one another. ITS-san came from a freer culture and would have hang out with the likes of WAITS-san and such, and Multics-sama would have been pretty much pure old school.
CP/CMS-sama would have been in the middle somewhere; while she was no little hacker OS-tan by any means, she would have valued independence. (which reminds me, I gotta draw a finished CP/CMS-tan...)

QuoteWhoa... Leopard-tan going back in time has had influence on Linux-sama? Cool! (And even fits my original Leopard-tan preconcept as a messenger from the future!)


But it's such a ontological paradox...^///^

QuoteOh boy, have the times changed! I nearly forgot that "hackers" back then were different (freedom-seeking and not malicious) kind of breed than they are now!

How did these hackers lose their culture? But by chance, Linux-sama became its savior!


Now now, crackers and hackers are entirely different things…or so the Jargon File would say. :P

Well, I know the MIT hacker culture (considered the first one) would have died out when the management started phasing out the PDPs running ITS in favor of newer machines running proprietary OSes.

(the "Cambridge" portion of this article explains it best)
http://crackmonkey.org/unix.html

How exactly this translates into the comic I'm unsure...

QuoteUnix-sama was not told that Multics-sama is her mother for a long time?! But I think that could explain why Unix-sama went full-force against her in that fight early in her life, not holding back at all because she was unaware of the fact her opponent was her own flesh and blood!


I’m not sure, but I think Unix-sama would have known that to be her mother even when she got into the fight with her. She'd have been swift enough to figure it out, really…which…I guess makes it all the scarier @___@

QuoteUnix-sama... With child-like qualities and curiousity? *head explodes*

I like the historical fact you added in, and it's pretty amazing that a patent office worker would later rise to incredible power!


Hey now, Albert Einstein once worked in a patent office and look at what became of him...:P

QuoteAnd that Unix-sama was told terrible things about Multics-sama by GECOS-san, I wonder if that fueled Unix-sama's hatred towards Multics-sama, and if that is the start of her apprenticeship with GECOS-san?


I'd like to point out that what would become Unix was written on a machine running GECOS, so I suppose GECOS-san would have been something of a caretaker for Unix-sama since...well, before she was born...and would have later served as her mentor (or...or whoever teaches the apprentice). Something similar to Multics/CTSS-sama, but with none of the lasting love between the two.

She'd have seem Unix-sama as a great weapon against Multics-sama (I do suppose GECOS-san would have been better at plotting than fighting), and thought it in her best interest to get quite close with her. But after the incident, I do think Unix-sama would have realized she had been used by GECOS-san to a certain extent, and vowed never to work with her again.

Speaking of which, why does Nancy (or I should say Nancy’s evil clone) from Read or Die strike me as a decent inspiration character from GECOS-san…? O___o

QuoteWhat goes around comes around! (And it was mentioned in the first descriptions of Multics-sama that after the fight, Unix-sama was not happy at all defeating her and gaining her power)


We have to remember, Multics-sama wasn't even that happy with her powers...I don't think Unix-sama had any qualms about them, however, it was more the thought of what she did to gain them.
Title: Bella's OS-tan Manga Thread
Post by: Siya on August 28, 2008, 10:35:50 pm
OMG YAY!  More comic!  ^^

I'm enjoying it very much!
Title: Bella's OS-tan Manga Thread
Post by: Bella on August 30, 2008, 02:34:34 pm
Thank you Siya-san! I'm glad you've been following it!

To conclude Chapter Two...

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Notes: You may be noticing that Linux-sama has a spear in this chapter. Whether she’s owned this all along, or picked it up at some point, will remain intentionally unclear for some time. In page two, there’s a tiny, smudgy Easter Egg on ITS-san’s bike, I don’t know if anyone will be able to find it, but it explains just what her motorcycle might be a RL reference to. Uhmm…all that Multics-sama and ITS-san stuff…I guess you’re free to interpret it however you want…but it’s pretty self explanatory. Multics-sama was more of less at the mercy of a group of people who didn’t know if their years of work would yield any return. She was rich and lived in luxury, but she didn’t have a very good life; while ITS-san was rather poor, at least she had her freedom and had a great deal of fun.

I think when ITS-san was forced to leave MIT and the culture dried up around there, she started to lose faith in the direction her life had taken. But when she met Linux-san she began to see that there was still hope left. And BTW, ITS-san saying she’s going to Europe is an allusion to one of the last public ITS machines being run in Sweden.

Yes, I see the typo on page 8.
Title: Bella's OS-tan Manga Thread
Post by: Siya on August 30, 2008, 09:44:19 pm
A very touching chapter conclusion, Bella-san. ^^
Title: Bella's OS-tan Manga Thread
Post by: C-Chan on August 31, 2008, 03:45:10 am
Sorry this had to be my last and final stop for the evening,... and in fact I still have to type up the response slowly and surely since there's so much awesome ground to cover with those beautiful comic pages.  ^^

Just know that I'm even more impressed by the production value in this set, and simply can't contain my excitement for the GAWDLY work you've done on them!  

Bella-hime!  To put it mildly,... YOU RULE!!  ^v^

If you don't mind this slow bumblingly pig, please wait for me as I work up another reply worthy of this genuine genius I see before me.  ^___^
Title: Bella's OS-tan Manga Thread
Post by: C-Chan on September 05, 2008, 04:13:59 pm
*pants* *heaves* *lurches* *crawls* *sprawls out on ground*

X____X

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I.... won't be... defeated....

*lifts self up*

FREEEEEEEEEEEDOOOOOOOOOOOMMMMMM!!!!!!!!!!!  ^0^

...

Oh wait, wrong inspirational phrase.... ^___^

I HATH RETUUUUUUUUUUUURRRRRRRNNNNNEEEDDDD!!!!!!  ^0^

Alright this is it... absolutely-positively Zero hour!  Today is THE day!!!  

Bella-hime, prepare yourself for the Mother,.. not, the UNIX-sama Equivalenet of all Responses!!!  ^v^

*cracks knuckles*
Title: Bella's OS-tan Manga Thread
Post by: Bella on September 05, 2008, 06:57:23 pm
Good luck...you gonna need it ^^
Title: Bella's OS-tan Manga Thread
Post by: Aurora Borealis on September 05, 2008, 08:26:37 pm
This is some magnificent stuff! Brilliant, absolutely brilliant! So sorry I didn't get to reviewing the pure awesomeness that is chapter 2 right away!

But now here is my review!

--Part 1--

page 1: Linux-sama hitchhiking? Poor Linux-sama! I especially like her appearance on the third panel of page 1- looks like she was trying to use some charm to persuade a driver, and what a shame that it didn't work! You are very good at drawing vehicles, btw!

page 2: Ooh! Linux-sama has some sass to her personality! I also like her facefaulting expressions in panels 3 and 5! The group shot of ITS-san and Linux-sama in the last panel is very cute!

page 3: The relations between ITS-san and Multics-sama revealed! So ITS-san did not live in luxury like Multics-sama did at all but at least she [ITS-san] has a lot more freedom! I see that Multics-sama does not like the little proletariat in her palace!

The backgrounds for panels 3 and 6 are beautifully done!

page 4: Heheheh... ITS-san should have known not to grab a super moody and powerful sorceress by the wings! And CTSS-sama steps in! And is that... Multics-sama acting childish in panel 4, using the classic childish excuse of "she started it"?! 0__0

ITS-san looks especially cute in the last panel!  

page 5: I'm a little baffled as to who is being referred to in the narration (there's like no way that Multics-sama could have reminded ITS-san that humble people still exist!)  but once again the scenery is all beautifully-done, and ITS-san and Linux-sama both look very cute in the last 2 panels!

page 6: Cool! Linux-sama and ITS-san are friends and do have a lot in common such as realizing the true value of freedom!

Their hair blowing in the wind is very well done!

page 7: Poor Multics-sama! Even she gets bored living the luxury lifestyle!

--Part 2--

Given the fighting that the two had earlier, I certainly agree that ITS-san would not be trusting of Multics-sama but it was really nice of ITS-san to give her a motorcycle ride! And it sure is incredible seeing Multics-sama submissive like that!

Heheh... I like ITS-san mocked Multics-sama and her followers in the first page! ITS-san's got attitude!

It is great seeing the two happily together, and Multics-sama getting a taste of freedom but so sad that it did not last long at all and shows she really does not have any freedom at all and that she wasn't living a good life despite being so rich. :(

The dialogue and narration about freedom and how Multics-sama does not have any is brilliant!

And finally... Linux-sama and ITS-san part ways... They would have made a good team but it was for the best apparently.
Title: Bella's OS-tan Manga Thread
Post by: C-Chan on September 06, 2008, 03:38:34 pm
QuoteWell I was using Inkscape, tracing a picture of my own hands, so I could fidget around with them until they came out right.

I honestly don’t wanna spend the time. Hence, the hands are hidden most of the time.


For some reason, I seem to recall you once mentioning something about violin hands.  Wondering if I'm imagining things.  ^___^

QuoteAhaha! You are a megane fan too!


To a certain extent, I admit.  But I'm more of an HHH person myself. ^-^
(HHH = Height, Hair and Happiness)  ^____^

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Whoa! A deserter! A draft dodger! A typical Berkeleyite!
I always wondered how the BSD patent infringement problems would play into an OS-tan context. Thanks for answering this.


Fufu... well in typical FreeBSD-style, she wouldn't care what the rest of her family thought of her actions either.  She's free as in Speech AND Beer, and loving every minute of it.  ^___^

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3 (really 2): Yes, all planned out. I really like it…I think. It’ll have to do with the young ITS-san’s interactions with Multics-sama, and how this made her determined to live as free and detached from riches as possible.


Wow!  Did you EVER plan it out!  In hindsight, it was fantastic.  ^__^

Also happy to see you moved it up a slot like I recommended.  ^__^

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4 : Leopard-san. I hope to have it open with a scene of Linux-sama, being lavished with gifts and good treatment by the GNU people, to her chagrin. She’ll wonder at this point if this was all the work of coincidence…or if it really is her destiny.


To her chagrin?  Whoops! This I have to see. ^____^

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Going back a few months, in transit to Cambridge (on her way to see the GNU people), Linux-chan will have some bad experience involving the OS (or Unix) Wars. While she isn’t personally involved, let’s say she sees a destructed town while traveling though the countryside, or meets some individuals who were effected by the fighting. She becomes discouraged and doubtful of her own place in this world, and thinks that she’ll never be able to change anything for the better. She decides to not continue on her journey, and instead return “home” to Minix-san.


Actually, that DOES present the opportunity to add a little darkness to the comic.  I would probably go with the first option (the destroyed town) since it might be easier to draw (rubble over lots of people anyday), and has the potential for more silent-film style dramatic shots.

Like walking across broken cobblestone paths, downed trees, broken glass, pockmarked storefronts, half-standing gutted buildings, and a very eerie desolate silence.  There would only be a single inhabitant in the entire town -- either a resident who survived under the rubble, or a partisan who stayed behind as a sniper, or someone who rushed over to check on friends and family (unaware of the severity of the devastation).  Since ideally the individual would be relatively defenseless (hence no future CIOST member), it would be a good opportunity to cameo an OS-tan that would one day be either a Wanderer or a vintage-tan (but at the moment, would be confused, catatonic or overwhelmed with rage).

I imagine the experience would move Linux-sama to the point where she would question her non-intervention, against her sensei's wishes.

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Leopard-san somehow knows about this, and knows this is a pivotal point in history. She knows (somehow) that if Linux-chan goes home, it’ll be for the worse; so she appears (under the guise of it all being a dream), and shows Linux-chan what the future will hold if she continues on her current path.


Well yeah, just a tad bit paradoxal... ^^;
But I do like the idea that's a dream that would lead her towards the den of the GNU... would certaily give her a slight messianic edge.  ^___^

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5: Kinda. I’d also like to have a flashback involving ITS-san, WAITS-san, Emacs-kun (who’d be just a young boy) and some of the early hackers to paint a picture of the early hacker culture, which would have been brimming with fellowship, harmony, and liberation and how they slowly lost their “utopia”. This could also go to explain why the GNU people were so determined to re-create this culture with their proposed “GNU-sama” who never showed up…instead Linux-sama did, and I’d like to show how this almost accidental event changed her life, and their lives, forever.


Oooh!  Kudos to the ITS/WAITS/Emacs-kun proposed cameos -- those I'd love to see.  ^__^

I imagine ths would be Linux-sama's first true exposure to the mysterious 'Open Sourcery'.  Given her earlier Girl-Next-Door attitude, I imagine she wasn't particularly excited with it at first -- if anything, she might've thought it just a tad bit hokey (certainly nothing compared to the time honored UNIX sourcery, which no commoner including herself was permitted to wield).

But like any good adventurer, she accepts it anyway, tries it, practices it, studies it thoroughly, and then expands upon it utilizing creative new additions and combinations.  The fact that she's able to shape that power into something truly pragmatic and accessible would probably allow her to participate (and eventually lead) some actual reconstruction and rescue efforts.

While she still wouldn't actually participate in any fighting, she would mature through helping individuals and refugees rebuild their shattered lives (and listening attentively to their stories).

It's likely here where her loyal and faithful following is born, as her honesty, devotion and willingness to teach her spells openly (so as to help them help themselves, of course) moves them considerably.

With her reputation spreading, and taking advantage of her generous "open genome", it's inevitable that her first "daughters" begin to appear.  Willing and able to "hold the fort" in her place, Linux-sama would finally be able to continue her journey wiser and better-prepared than ever -- and in so doing, her influence EXPLODES to territories both touched and untouched by the Unix/OS Wars.

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6: Not so much. As planned, it’d start with a few high-ranking Unixen very worried over Linux-sama and her recent development of power. They send some of their troopers (or maybe even go themselves) to try and capture her or take her out at some point when they know she’ll be alone. Long story short, Apache-tan will show up at just the right point to help Linux-sama out of what could have been quite a jam.

Or…if I want to integrate chapters 6 and 7...I could say Unix-sama gave the order for Linux-sama to be brought in (very specifically alive). Some Unix-tans set out to capture her; while they’re initially rather non-threatening, Linux-sama isn’t taking chances (we could have a quick flashback to some earlier scuffle between Linux-sama and some Unixen. But what they aren’t counting on is Apache-tan being with her; and together they hold off the horde of aggressors. But apparently they aren’t good enough, because Linux-sama gets captured and brought to Unix-sama, leading to chapter 8 (or 6).

But this brings up the question of why exactly Apache-tan is with Linux-sama, and what she adds to the chapter is Linux-sama gonna be captured anyway.


Mmmm-hmmmm.... guess it was good timing to suggest she was already on her journey at this point. ^^

Assuming this is a few years after Chapter 4/5, I imagine by now Linux-sama is pretty much well aware of her influence, and already has a strong mastery of her evolved Open Sourcery.  However, she's still pretty much a loner, taking advantage of the fact that a few of her more Enterprising daughters (e.g., RedHat, Mandrake, Debian) have assumed positions of leadership in her absence.

I imagine the young Apache-tan is another person she met on the road -- a long time admirer of Linux-sama and more than eager to show the older woman how far her own Open Sourcery had progressed.

Perhaps they camped somewhere in the plains, and Apache-chan was out looking for something to eat [while Linux-sama was setting a fire] when the Unixen arrive to cause trouble.  This provides the opportunity for Apache-chan to ambush some of them from behind just as they're getting ready to gang up on Linux-sama.

The Unices have very powerful magic, but it's too elaborate and lumbering to compete in such close quarters with Open Sourcery spells (which despite being weaker at that point, were still quick to cast and quick to recharge).  Not to mention that both Linux-sama and Apache-chan were both masters of melee weapons and hand-to-hand, something which probably also caught the Unixen off-guard (and which likely the previously-defeated Unixen refused to divulge for fear of embarrassment).

But Apache-chan was still young and prone to make mistakes.  Eventually, she would get caught in a diversionary tactic while another cast a paralyzing spell on her.  Unable to move but still consious of what's going on, The two Unixen might threaten her life if Linux-sama refused to surrender.

But hardy intimidated by them, Linux-sama would furiously unleash a barrage of insults questioning both their bravery and intelligence, and the integrity of the family she [once] felt proud to be associated with.  Tossing her spear and helmet over to one of them with the condescension of a mother scolding a child, she announces her unconditional surrender as a means to salvage whatever dignity the Unix Family had left (cause clearly the real Unixen weren't qualified).  And of course -- she's more than eager now to face UNIX-sama in person, even if it cost her her life.

Though her words genuinely cut through their egos like a ginsu knife, they still take her away anyway if only try to shore up their own reputation.  Meanwhile, Apache-chan is left behind -- and once the spell wears off, quickly sets to work communicating what had happened [interpreted as a would-be legend, of course] to the rest of the world.

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8: I’d like this to start with a subdued, but still very emotional, confrontation between Unix-sama and one of her creators in the last throws of the Unix Wars (early/mid 90s). In it, she questions him on why he never told her about her relationship with Multics-sama. He replies with a comment about them just wanting to keep life simple for her, and goes on to question if knowing the whole truth would have kept her from making the mistakes she did.

In a flashback to the early 70s, we would see some of Unix-sama’s interactions with GECOS-san, and her burning (yet rather child-like) curiosity about having some kind of family. To her dismay, her first job is the mundane task of working in the patent office at Bell Labs (a historical fact, Unix was first used for this job). Somehow she comes across a file on Multics-sama and begins to think that they do, in fact, share a relation. GECOS-san finds out about Unix-sama’s newfound discovery, and assures her that they share no relation; and furthermore tells her some very horrible things about Multics-sama.

While we don’t really see any of the fight between the two, we certainly see the aftermath. She felt her life got significantly more complicated after gaining her mother’s power--almost as if it was cursed--and how she later felt that all she faced during the Unix Wars were almost like “karma” for all the mistakes she had made.

Flashing back to the mid 1990s, we see the discussion between Unix and Linux-sama (after the latter’s capture). I don’t want to give too much away, but we see how the two of them decided to work with each other to ensure the survival of their kind.


Fufufu... I know you talked about plotholes, but if you like my progresson of events, I think you won't have to worry about them.  ^^

In any event, this seems like a perfect way to transition from the last chapter -- having devoted nearly the entire comic building up Linux-sama as a respectable character we can feel for, it's only fitting that UNIX-sama be given the same treatment.  

In a way, Linux-sama's capture would be like an extension to that "karma" -- prior to Linux-sama being hauled into the "throne room", she might have been briefed on troubling reports about armed uprisings, massive protests and civil unrest from the Linux/FOSS followers furious at what had transpired.  The threat of yet another civil war (this time, between UNIX and UNIX-like) was at hand, and with the downfall of the already battered UNIX Family imminent, it seemed like Multic-sama's curse would finally bring itself full circle.

Even more than the war, and more than Plan9-chan's departure, this could very well be the most depressing and lost point of UNIX-sama's life.

But clearly their meeting would progress in such a way that the new "cursed" UNIX-sama would die, and an invigorated, hopeful one would take her place.  The two would emerge as good friends, war would be averted, the UNIX Family would begin to rise from its ashes, and the prestige of the GNU/Linux Union would soar.

Cooler heads prevailed, and everyone was stronger for it.

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Ahhhh! This is a wonderful idea, just wonderful! I am thinking to…linearly, and I don't want my comic to be to linear. Thank you very much!


I'm hoping these other ideas will help you too. ^__^

QuoteAwesome! Free BSD-tan openly dodging the Unix War draft made her even cooler, and she was a cool character to begin with!


What makes her even cooler is that she can walk the walk as much as she can talk the talk.  No doubt a few VERY powerful Unixen might have tried to track her down and haul her back -- but expecting a pushover, they were all surprised by very RESOUNDING defeats by seemingly simple tactics.  (e.g., tossing steel pellets whenever Solaris-sama uses her magnetism)  Not realizing her own inherent genius, few if any would have admitted to those humiliating defeats (and would've just made up stories about not finding her),

QuoteHow did these hackers lose their culture? But by chance, Linux-sama became its savior!


They lost their culture by the corporate types, of course.  ^___^
The same ones trying to destroy that culture today (but failing for the most part, as old tactics dull fast).  ^.^

It's really the GPL and other similar copyleft-like licenses that helped Linux-sama live the life that her cultural ancestors could only dream of.

QuoteUnix-sama was not told that Multics-sama is her mother for a long time?! But I think that could explain why Unix-sama went full-force against her in that fight early in her life, not holding back at all because she was unaware of the fact her opponent was her own flesh and blood!


QuoteUnix-sama... With child-like qualities and curiousity? *head explodes*

I like the historical fact you added in, and it's pretty amazing that a patent office worker would later rise to incredible power!

And that Unix-sama was told terrible things about Multics-sama by GECOS-san, I wonder if that fueled Unix-sama's hatred towards Multics-sama, and if that is the start of her apprenticeship with GECOS-san?


While I do like how Bella-hime described UNIX-sama's revelation of her relationship with Multics-sama, and how GECOS-sama helped repress that fact, I'm of the belief that UNIX-sama continued to harbor a small suspicion regardless.  Especially after confronting Multics-sama on early occassions, she would have just known that she was her mother.

But that's the dilemma:  Multics-sama, GECOS-sama, Bell Labs, society in general, all the taboos of the era regarding "bastard clones"... the young UNIX-sama was alone in a world that refused to acknowledge she even had a mother.  UNIX-sama lost to Multics-sama during their several first encounters in huge part because she might have feared hurting her own flesh and blood.

For this she got punished by everyone, including Multics-sama -- living as an outcast bordering on failure, surviving on scraps tossed by an enfuriated GECOS-sama, she might have finally agreed to let herself go.  

And certainly during their last momentous battle, when UNIX-sama suffered the pinnacle of injustice, she held absolutely nothing back as her pent-up frustrations unleashed a kind of berserker rage that not only vanquished, but completely humiliated and destroyed MULTICS-sama.

And as a touch of irony, once UNIX-sama emerged victorious but motherless, was it finally made obvious that MULTICS-sama herself was never allowed to acknowledge her daughter.  Surely she might have begged for forgiveness, but with the tables turned and the curse now forced onto the young UNIX-sama, it was now the daughter that turned the deaf ear to the mother.

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But NT-tan is also a mother with lots of troublesome kids and 'sisters' to tend to! That there is a full-time job! (or was this before NT-tan had kids?)


HAHA!  You kidding?  All her kids are now grown-up enough to have kids of their own! ^____^;

Truth is, NT-san, like 3.1-sama, is finding herself with less and less to do as she grows older and older.  NT-san is still the only one with great multilingual skills -- but since that has not been coveted by M$ for more than 10 years, its easy for her to be displaced by either a daughter/sister, or any of the new competitors who she once used to belittle as belonging to some "Penguin Cult".  

This is a parallel to real-life data migrations by banks and stuff from ancient NT (or OS/2) systems to Linux.  The systems have to be reliable after all (with minimal crashing and maximum uptime), and Linux fits the bell better than most M$ options (without the fear of losing support, as with OS/2).

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Le sigh.... yeah, this is too much for me for one day.  '___'
Let me try and continue this tomorrow, ne? ^___^

*flops over keyboard and SNORES*

Added after 13 hours 16 minutes:

Yo!  Back to finish the job (although hope you don't mind if I cut a few corners... currently working with battery power on my EeePC. ^^')


CHAPTER 2
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PAGE 1: Fufu!  The spear makes its appearance.  ^__^
I read your afternotes on it, and I think its a smart idea.  Like with the UNIX staff, Linux spears themselves are associated a lot with Open Sourcery, but are not actually the sources of power themselves.  They're instead more like a medium to focus that power, but they can easily function without them.

It's not at all surprising therefore that there was nothing magical to her acquisition of it.  Perhaps during the time she was "surrounded by water", it was gifted to her by someone who taught her how to fish and was impressed by how quickly she acquired the craft.  In that case, she currently keeps it more as a momento of that person's generosity.

Love the particularly cute depiction of her in Panel 3 -- I've always admired how effectively you draw Linux-sama's hair while still keeping it abstract enough to draw it quickly.  I should note that Linux-sama with her leg up in Panel 2 does seem a bit strange (unless she's stretching rather than walking).  ^^'


PAGE 2:  BWAHAHA!!!  I think I see "PDP- something" on that bike.  ^___^

Gotta admire the humor in panels 3-6, especially twirly-feet Linux-sama.  ^-^

And yes, don't know why I confused the earlier old woman with ITS-sama, when CLEARLY ITS-sama rides some serious wheels. ^____^;


PAGE 3:  You've at least confirmed my suspicions that ITS-sama's hair has grown a bit longer than in your earlier drawing with her and CTSS-sama.  Kudos for knowing how to properly transition into a 3rd person narrative!  ^-^

And for drawing cacti really well!  ^__~

OH!  And bedrooms too!  Damn girl, you're just all over the place here!  Beautiful!  ^v^

Happy to see another Multics-sama star in another one of your comics -- that makes TWO instances so far.   ^___^

As always, you draw with her a remarkable grace and elegance -- it's pretty obvious that you love her character if you're willng to dip so much effort into her face/hair/jewelry even though this is one of countless pencil drawings.  ^^

Good touch making her sound arrogant -- no doubt "hovel" and "ruffian" are one of many words she would have tossed around regularly.


PAGE 4: BWAHAHA!!  I'm an admirer of this kind of subtle but very effective humor, if only because I feel it gives the comic more of a Manga feel to it.  The molting reference clearly demonstrates you're willing to leave no insignificant detail unaddressed.  ^__^

Also much appreciated to see a bit of sourcery finally -- I missed it a bit from your last comic (VMS-sama vs UNIX-sama).  It's obvious that you've become quite comfortable drawing action scenes -- between the dynamic poses of their bodies, the lashing hair, and the strategically-placed action lines, it does the trick and then some!  ^-^

And again with the humor -- nice touch to let Multics-sama seep through a bit of her spoiled brattiness.  ^__^
Also great to finally see a nice close-up shot of CTSS-sama -- aside from the slight family resemblance and the smart (albeit conservative) fashion sense, it also becomes obvious that while caring, she's not particularly affectionate.  (which I figure made her an upstart decent woman in her era)

PAGE 5:  I consider this a very effective transitionary scene -- even though there's no doubt their conversations were extremely interesting, you get the full essence of that in a single page (two of which are dripping with beautiful scenery) than you would with 5 or 10!  And funny you should mention humility in the last two panels, as they both look their kindest and most down-to-earth in that particular scene in the restaurant

Love ITS-sama with those pigtails, but the placement of Linux-sama's left arm looks a tad bit strange.  ''


PAGE 6:  Chalk one up for another fabulous Bella landscape sketch!  ^-^
And another for more effective long-distance fully body shots (particularly of Linux-sama in Panel 1-2) -- while simple, they really do much to accentuate her natural body curvature.  *purrs*  ^__^

Closeup shot in Panel 3 is also very beautifuly drawn for both women -- aside from the flowing hair, I love the little extra details you added (like Linux-sama's goggles and ITS-sama's gun holster).


PAGE 7:  Multic-sama's hand is a bit odd in that closeup, but the rest of her is great -- a nice way to capture her perpetual melancholy.  ^.^

The servant sounds particular impudent (infidel), but I imagine that, despite her position, she was still pretty much sheltered and treated like a kid.  Or is this because this takes place during the REALLY early days, when CTSS-sama was still the head and undisputed matriarch?  ^__^




INTERMISSION:

QuoteWell, I know the MIT hacker culture (considered the first one) would have died out when the management started phasing out the PDPs running ITS in favor of newer machines running proprietary OSes.


Because the computers were so ridiculously-expensive at the time, I can definitely see how that could easily starve out the early free-as-in-beer hackers.  It would be much akin to the notion of Western governments agreeing to dissolve the free internet model with a two-tier controlled system -- almost immediately you would see many of the gains done in FOSS (or even in small collaborative communities like ours) disappear overnight, simply because we could never afford to set up such a parallel complex system out of our own pockets.

That's the reason why ][-sama is considered to have started her own mini hacker revolution -- though vastly inferior even to the old PDPs, she was cheap enough and open enough to serve the needs of countless early developers (albeit still under the limitation of a closed system).

QuoteI'd like to point out that what would become Unix was written on a machine running GECOS, so I suppose GECOS-san would have been something of a caretaker for Unix-sama since...well, before she was born...and would have later served as her mentor (or...or whoever teaches the apprentice). Something similar to Multics/CTSS-sama, but with none of the lasting love between the two.

She'd have seem Unix-sama as a great weapon against Multics-sama (I do suppose GECOS-san would have been better at plotting than fighting), and thought it in her best interest to get quite close with her. But after the incident, I do think Unix-sama would have realized she had been used by GECOS-san to a certain extent, and vowed never to work with her again.


Precisely, I agree with this wholeheartedly.  ^^
(btw, the person who teaches an apprentice is usually called the "master")  ^.^

I don't think she would have been so lenient to GECOS-sama at the end, though.  Having had to cast out the last bit of morality and humanity in order to vanquish MULTICS-sama, I don't believe there was anything left to hold her back from seeking some small vengeance.  In trying to create her own personal foot soldier, GECOS-sama inadvertently raised a dog that would not just bite the master's hand, but tear it off and eat it.

In that case, I figure GECOS-sama would have fled on her own, knowing it was dangerous to stick around during UNIX-sama's rise to power.

Quote
Speaking of which, why does Nancy (or I should say Nancy’s evil clone) from Read or Die strike me as a decent inspiration character from GECOS-san…? O___o


Don't know... she doesn't really look like the kind of person to pass through walls.    ^^;
And not if you're talking about ROD the TV -- Nancy is a COMPLETELY different person there.  ^.^;

On the other hand, I did add a little sexy lip gloss to GECOS-sama in my CIOST panel pic -- the reasoning being that, over the years, she's probably cast off most of her conservative convictions, and allowed herself to explore new and creative ways to exploit manipulative, young minds.  `v'

(The kind of stuff that would force AtariTOS-san to desperately take notes.  ^________^' )



CONTINUATION:

PAGE 8:  Wah!  Cute closeup of ITS-sama! Winter gear really does it for her!  Same goes for MULTICS-sama in panels 3 and 6 -- obviously in her youth, she was quite the dish.  ^-^

It's also a treat to see MULTICS-sama so reverent -- makes you wonder if all that stuffiness at home is really just an act.


PAGE 9:  My guess is that the sun effect was done in Inkscape -- if so, that's a very beautiful and convincing use for it, as it gorgeously conveys the feel of early daybreak (despite this being in B&W).
Cuteness still reigns supreme in Panels 3 and 5, although the last one, despite the fact that it brings a smile to my face, also makes me feel a bit sad.

Cause MULTICS-sama is almost a mirror image of Linux-sama at the very beginning of the chapter.  Perhaps if Multics-sama had been able to live as Linux-sama did, she would still be alive and happy today, enjoy the eternal devotion of her Multicians, as well as the undying love from all her daughters/granddaughters/great granddaughters.

*sniffles*

Oh well... things are like this for a reason.  For Linux-sama to have been born as a beacon a freedom, she had to have been born in a world without it.


PAGE 10:  Another pleasant long shot, with an abstract MULTICS-sama clearly having the time of her life.  ^.^
I can see the "PDP-7" much clearer now.  ^__^

And wow!  The real gaul of those servant just knows no bounds!  This definitely has to be in the early days.

Love the long shot of CTSS-sama dashing to [I hope] dispense some manners on those two.


PAGE 11:  Ah! Just as I thought.  ^___^
She's not only caring but tought -- what a woman! ^-^

But she's also a bit brainwashed too -- in a way it's kinda sad that she's genuinely convinced this is the best life she can offer her Multics-sama.  Guess there's some truth to the saying that you can still "Kill with Love".

Multics-sama in Panel 2 looks gorgeous; and not sure why you were impressed by the eyes of FreeSBIE and RoFreeSBIE, when it's pretty obvious by ITS-sama's in Panel 4 that you can draw them like that too.  ^____^

Though the narrative is directed at Multics-sama's sad face, you might be interested to know I was reminded of XP-san's small introspection in Grant's last story.  Though the circumstances are different, XP-san is also living the life of a beautiful bird with clipped wings -- at the mercy of caretakers who have no real sense of loyalty, dignity or shame.


PAGE 12:  The sad faceoff shot with ITS-san and Multics-sama is both beautiful and heartwrenchingly-dramatic at the same time; the snowflakes serving to accentuate the sad and lonely aura.  It's a wonderfully-fitting end to the flashback.

[oh, and how I do love Multics-sama's wisp of hair over her face.]  ^__^

Just to let you know, I spotted a major problem in panel 2 -- you made Linux-sama TOO cute.  That's dangerous, you know?  `v'

Multics-sama wouldn't die until several years after this point in the comic, but I imagine ITS-sama is refering to the lonely and mundane life she lived in her final years of her proprietary life.

Should be interesting to note that ITS-sama has NO idea of Multics-sama's relationship with UNIX-sama -- had she known, maybe she would have given Linux-sama a new mission in life (to find her would-be "grandmother" and save her).


PAGE 13:  Add the ability to draw trains and train stations as another plus to Bella-hime's HUEG list of talents!  Are you drawing these ad-lib, or using reference shots (and if the latter, are they YOUR reference photographs?)  ^__^

Cambridge I'm assuming is were the GNU cult is based in -- but I can definitely see why she encourages Linux-sama to get there no matter what.  Undoubtedly, heading in that direction risks exposing Linux-sama to some hotspots, both from the ongoing Unix War, as well as that of the OS War just breaking out.

Kudos to the tie of ITS-sama to Europe, as well as the acknowledgement that Linux-sama knows it quite well (after all, she was born there).  ^__^
Her sharp expression, shapely athletic body and spear make her look particularly strong and confident in panel 5 -- a small reassurance to the reader that everything will be alright for Linux-sama.  Whatever the hinderance she might encounter, she'll be able to deal with them.  ^.^


PAGE 14:  Nothing more to add here, other than to compliment the gorgeous parting shots of ITS-sama and Linux-sama.  It's also very reassuring to see ITS-sama feeling hopeful and grateful perhaps for the first time in many, many years.  

I imagine she likely feels even better now in the present day -- even if she's not part of the young hacker community, it's more important for her now that there IS one in the world.  That way, even if she were to die, she would have no regrets of being the last of her kind, but rather the pride of knowing she was the first of her kind.  -v-

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And I think that concludes my full review of this wonderful new comic addition!  Bella-hime, sometimes I worry if my over-praise might become boring or artificial some day, but I do want you to know that it's all genuine.  You really ARE doing a remarkable job with this, and it moves me every time I see works of this scale coming from you.  ^__^

Now that you're back home, though, I would encourage you to "trickle in" your comics as they get done.  That way I can treat each one with the full attention it deserves, and not force you to endure days of silence while I'm busy typing HUEG pages of notes.  ^________^;
Title: Bella's OS-tan Manga Thread
Post by: Bella on September 06, 2008, 11:52:30 pm
First off, I'd like to say sorry for making you write this HUGE response. I think I'll try to just post a few pages at a time from now on...

Secondly, a lot of stuff is going on right now...it's about the end of my summer break season, so I may be absent for the next week, and in and out for the next few weeks actually. -___-

I'm going to get back to the reviews later and I thank the both of you for your encouraging words, but first off...

QuoteFor some reason, I seem to recall you once mentioning something about violin hands. Wondering if I'm imagining things. ^___^


No, I have freaky slender hands. People are always joking that I'd be a great violinist XD


QuoteTo a certain extent, I admit. But I'm more of an HHH person myself. ^-^
(HHH = Height, Hair and Happiness) ^____^


I'm a GDHLEWandGWW person!

(glasses, dark hair, light eyes, wings, and girls with weapons, person!)

QuoteActually, that DOES present the opportunity to add a little darkness to the comic. I would probably go with the first option (the destroyed town) since it might be easier to draw (rubble over lots of people anyday), and has the potential for more silent-film style dramatic shots.

Like walking across broken cobblestone paths, downed trees, broken glass, pockmarked storefronts, half-standing gutted buildings, and a very eerie desolate silence. There would only be a single inhabitant in the entire town -- either a resident who survived under the rubble, or a partisan who stayed behind as a sniper, or someone who rushed over to check on friends and family (unaware of the severity of the devastation). Since ideally the individual would be relatively defenseless (hence no future CIOST member), it would be a good opportunity to cameo an OS-tan that would one day be either a Wanderer or a vintage-tan (but at the moment, would be confused, catatonic or overwhelmed with rage).

I imagine the experience would move Linux-sama to the point where she would question her non-intervention, against her sensei's wishes.


I actually planned to have Linux-sama come across some kind of refugee or victim of the devastation. I wasn't sure who it'd be, but as you said, is could almost be any wanderer or Vintage-tan...I just wonder, would this town have been destroyed by the Unix Wars, or one of the first in the OS Wars...? I could probably go either way...

At any rate, this part of the storyline may or may not take a backseat to the future part with Leopard-tan. What will happen in the future portion of the storyline, and whether it should be the main focus I'm a bit unsure of--but I do think the flash-forward will open with Linux-sama literally waking up in a new time, in a new life, in a much older body.

After the initial shock wore off, Leopard-tan would take her on a tour (perhaps of the Linuxes' HQ?), showing Linux-sama some of her daughters (I plan to have an Ubuntu and Slackware-tan cameo) and telling her about some of the differences she's made. This realization--that she will change the world for the better, no matter what--will inspire her to continue on her journey. But, for the sake of suspense, her acceptance among some Unixen will remain intentionally unmentioned.

As we've supposed before, Leopard-tan can only make her "passenger's" consciousness traverse time, so when Linux-sama does finally come to--back in her current (early 1990s) body, back on that train, she will think that it was all a very vivid dream. Except for maybe some small thing left behind by Leopard-tan.


QuoteOooh! Kudos to the ITS/WAITS/Emacs-kun proposed cameos -- those I'd love to see. ^__^

I imagine ths would be Linux-sama's first true exposure to the mysterious 'Open Sourcery'. Given her earlier Girl-Next-Door attitude, I imagine she wasn't particularly excited with it at first -- if anything, she might've thought it just a tad bit hokey (certainly nothing compared to the time honored UNIX sourcery, which no commoner including herself was permitted to wield).

But like any good adventurer, she accepts it anyway, tries it, practices it, studies it thoroughly, and then expands upon it utilizing creative new additions and combinations. The fact that she's able to shape that power into something truly pragmatic and accessible would probably allow her to participate (and eventually lead) some actual reconstruction and rescue efforts.

While she still wouldn't actually participate in any fighting, she would mature through helping individuals and refugees rebuild their shattered lives (and listening attentively to their stories).

It's likely here where her loyal and faithful following is born, as her honesty, devotion and willingness to teach her spells openly (so as to help them help themselves, of course) moves them considerably.

With her reputation spreading, and taking advantage of her generous "open genome", it's inevitable that her first "daughters" begin to appear. Willing and able to "hold the fort" in her place, Linux-sama would finally be able to continue her journey wiser and better-prepared than ever -- and in so doing, her influence EXPLODES to territories both touched and untouched by the Unix/OS Wars.


I don't know if I will (or even can) get that deep into it in the chapter, but I do plan to have the chapter perhaps open with some scenes of the early hacker culture. I'd like to have a cameo of the young Emacs-kun, perhaps ITS-san and WAITS-san working together to craft the famous book of their Culture's legends, the Jargon File.

Progressing forward several years, we see how they began to loose this culture--I'm unsure how exactly I might depict this, but maybe have a scene of their sparse territories being taken over by some corporate OS-tans...perhaps the DEC-tans? I know MIT started using PDP-11 and VAX computers running "proprietary OSes", and these displaced the native OSes. But this could mean either VMS or Unix. I digress...anyhow, it would be at this point that ITS-san was forced to become a traveler, and the free-spirited hackers would be forced to take "real jobs" and become the same people they had always rebelled against.

Except for a few of them...no, a few would continue to hold on to their past culture, led by a certain, scruffy, bearded, guru-type (gosh, I wonder who that would be?). He would vow to create a Renaissance of freedom and nonconformism; and while everything would go to plan, the leader of this new golden age (GNU-tan) would be noticeably absent, for their lack of trying to find/recruit/construct her.

Then Linux-sama--this smart, honest, like-minded young Unix-like--will literally come stumbling upon the GNU people during one of their meetings. As you said, they will teach her the secrets of Open Sourcery; and while she is grateful for them, she isn't entirely onboard with their ideology. I figure the GNU people would, on the basis of ideology, be vehemently hostile toward the non-free culture and its software and OS-tans, while Linux-sama would be somewhat more pacifist, believing that her own merit--not violence or propaganda against the establishment--would help her to gain popularity and power.

I would like to feature a few of her early daughters somewhere in this comic...I just don't know how I'm going to do it as of now.


QuoteMmmm-hmmmm.... guess it was good timing to suggest she was already on her journey at this point. ^^

Assuming this is a few years after Chapter 4/5, I imagine by now Linux-sama is pretty much well aware of her influence, and already has a strong mastery of her evolved Open Sourcery. However, she's still pretty much a loner, taking advantage of the fact that a few of her more Enterprising daughters (e.g., RedHat, Mandrake, Debian) have assumed positions of leadership in her absence.

I imagine the young Apache-tan is another person she met on the road -- a long time admirer of Linux-sama and more than eager to show the older woman how far her own Open Sourcery had progressed.

Perhaps they camped somewhere in the plains, and Apache-chan was out looking for something to eat [while Linux-sama was setting a fire] when the Unixen arrive to cause trouble. This provides the opportunity for Apache-chan to ambush some of them from behind just as they're getting ready to gang up on Linux-sama.

The Unices have very powerful magic, but it's too elaborate and lumbering to compete in such close quarters with Open Sourcery spells (which despite being weaker at that point, were still quick to cast and quick to recharge). Not to mention that both Linux-sama and Apache-chan were both masters of melee weapons and hand-to-hand, something which probably also caught the Unixen off-guard (and which likely the previously-defeated Unixen refused to divulge for fear of embarrassment).

But Apache-chan was still young and prone to make mistakes. Eventually, she would get caught in a diversionary tactic while another cast a paralyzing spell on her. Unable to move but still consious of what's going on, The two Unixen might threaten her life if Linux-sama refused to surrender.

But hardy intimidated by them, Linux-sama would furiously unleash a barrage of insults questioning both their bravery and intelligence, and the integrity of the family she [once] felt proud to be associated with. Tossing her spear and helmet over to one of them with the condescension of a mother scolding a child, she announces her unconditional surrender as a means to salvage whatever dignity the Unix Family had left (cause clearly the real Unixen weren't qualified). And of course -- she's more than eager now to face UNIX-sama in person, even if it cost her her life.

Though her words genuinely cut through their egos like a ginsu knife, they still take her away anyway if only try to shore up their own reputation. Meanwhile, Apache-chan is left behind -- and once the spell wears off, quickly sets to work communicating what had happened [interpreted as a would-be legend, of course] to the rest of the world.


I wanted this chapter to take place around one and a half, two years after the last chapter--so around 1995, just after the Unix Wars were over. I had planed for the first part to be similar to what you proposed, but I had trouble with her defeat...

At first I thought it might be interesting for her to be knocked out by Solaris-san's (memory/emotion manipulation) power, and wake up in Unix-sama's office; while still a bit stunned at first, she would realized what was going on soon enough. While very defensive at first, Unix-sama would point out that she meant her no harm, and then the story would progress to their discussion...

Or perhaps Linux-sama would be brought in by the Unixes, fully aware of what was going on. But it had never crossed my mind to have her come in willingly...I like this idea, too. I'll have to think of which scenario would be best in the story...

QuoteFufufu... I know you talked about plotholes, but if you like my progresson of events, I think you won't have to worry about them. ^^

In any event, this seems like a perfect way to transition from the last chapter -- having devoted nearly the entire comic building up Linux-sama as a respectable character we can feel for, it's only fitting that UNIX-sama be given the same treatment.

In a way, Linux-sama's capture would be like an extension to that "karma" -- prior to Linux-sama being hauled into the "throne room", she might have been briefed on troubling reports about armed uprisings, massive protests and civil unrest from the Linux/FOSS followers furious at what had transpired. The threat of yet another civil war (this time, between UNIX and UNIX-like) was at hand, and with the downfall of the already battered UNIX Family imminent, it seemed like Multic-sama's curse would finally bring itself full circle.

Even more than the war, and more than Plan9-chan's departure, this could very well be the most depressing and lost point of UNIX-sama's life.

But clearly their meeting would progress in such a way that the new "cursed" UNIX-sama would die, and an invigorated, hopeful one would take her place. The two would emerge as good friends, war would be averted, the UNIX Family would begin to rise from its ashes, and the prestige of the GNU/Linux Union would soar.

Cooler heads prevailed, and everyone was stronger for it.


Well put! I think Unix-sama would realize that if left to their own devices, her own family was sure to self destruct and slide into obscurity. She would have seen Linux-sama as the last chance for their kind to have a real future. This is probably why she never tried to attack Linux-sama in her youth, even if it would have been easy to kill her early on. (Plus all that other stuff going on at the time).

QuoteWhat makes her even cooler is that she can walk the walk as much as she can talk the talk. No doubt a few VERY powerful Unixen might have tried to track her down and haul her back -- but expecting a pushover, they were all surprised by very RESOUNDING defeats by seemingly simple tactics. (e.g., tossing steel pellets whenever Solaris-sama uses her magnetism) Not realizing her own inherent genius, few if any would have admitted to those humiliating defeats (and would've just made up stories about not finding her),


Wow, a latent genius, a demon-girl, and a total glutton? Whatta gal! ^^

QuoteWhile I do like how Bella-hime described UNIX-sama's revelation of her relationship with Multics-sama, and how GECOS-sama helped repress that fact, I'm of the belief that UNIX-sama continued to harbor a small suspicion regardless. Especially after confronting Multics-sama on early occassions, she would have just known that she was her mother.

But that's the dilemma: Multics-sama, GECOS-sama, Bell Labs, society in general, all the taboos of the era regarding "bastard clones"... the young UNIX-sama was alone in a world that refused to acknowledge she even had a mother. UNIX-sama lost to Multics-sama during their several first encounters in huge part because she might have feared hurting her own flesh and blood.

For this she got punished by everyone, including Multics-sama -- living as an outcast bordering on failure, surviving on scraps tossed by an enfuriated GECOS-sama, she might have finally agreed to let herself go.

And certainly during their last momentous battle, when UNIX-sama suffered the pinnacle of injustice, she held absolutely nothing back as her pent-up frustrations unleashed a kind of berserker rage that not only vanquished, but completely humiliated and destroyed MULTICS-sama.

And as a touch of irony, once UNIX-sama emerged victorious but motherless, was it finally made obvious that MULTICS-sama herself was never allowed to acknowledge her daughter. Surely she might have begged for forgiveness, but with the tables turned and the curse now forced onto the young UNIX-sama, it was now the daughter that turned the deaf ear to the mother.


I do agree about Unix-sama realizing that Multics-sama was her mother almost from the start, even with GECOS-san telling her otherwise. I do wonder if Unix-sama would have been as persecuted as you imagine, as it seems Unix took off more rapidly than anyone thought it would. Although...this may not have been until the early/mid 1970s...

QuotePrecisely, I agree with this wholeheartedly. ^^
(btw, the person who teaches an apprentice is usually called the "master") ^.^

I don't think she would have been so lenient to GECOS-sama at the end, though. Having had to cast out the last bit of morality and humanity in order to vanquish MULTICS-sama, I don't believe there was anything left to hold her back from seeking some small vengeance. In trying to create her own personal foot soldier, GECOS-sama inadvertently raised a dog that would not just bite the master's hand, but tear it off and eat it.

In that case, I figure GECOS-sama would have fled on her own, knowing it was dangerous to stick around during UNIX-sama's rise to power.


You know, originally, I came up with an idea for a scene in the comic where GECOS-san would have come to "console" Unix-sama after the incident with Multics-sama. What she wouldn't have known was of Unix-sama gaining most of Multics-sama's powers, nor that Unix-sama was very upset and a bit traumatized about the situation.

But upon Unix-sama's angry admittance to her that she had, indeed, absorbed a portion of Multics-sama's power, GECOS-san would have become quite frightened and...as you said...left Unix-sama.

Multics-sama would have been a great deal more powerful than GECOS-san and could have easily defeated her if she had played her cards right. But GECOS-san, while lacking a great deal of sorcery, would have been a tactical genius and a master manipulator...

At any rate, thanks for these excellent ideas! I shall try to work some of them into my storyline. I always like hearing the opinion of others, because it presents ideas I wouldn't have thought of...

QuoteDon't know... she doesn't really look like the kind of person to pass through walls. ^^;
And not if you're talking about ROD the TV -- Nancy is a COMPLETELY different person there. ^.^;


On the other hand, I did add a little sexy lip gloss to GECOS-sama in my CIOST panel pic -- the reasoning being that, over the years, she's probably cast off most of her conservative convictions, and allowed herself to explore new and creative ways to exploit manipulative, young minds. `v'

(The kind of stuff that would force AtariTOS-san to desperately take notes. ^________^' )


Nah, I was musing a bit--and talking more of the evil clone--but I mean, both are manipulative and cold-hearted. And I was talking about ROD the OVA. :P

Next up: Older Linux-sama's inspiration character....Balsa from Guardian of the Spirit?

(http://img0.liveinternet.ru/images/attach/b/3/22/52/22052640_1207378942_seireinomoribito.jpg)

C'mon, ya gotta see some resemblance--both are spearwomen, both travel a lot, and use their skills more for the good of others than personal gain. And Balsa is selfless, unswayed by money, fearless and a skilled fighter, yet very caring.

I never really thought of a good inspiration character for Linux-sama's older, warrior-self until I started watching this show O__o

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Well, I guess I'm going to have to sign a raincheck to respond to those reviews later. Perhaps much later. But I shall return! And hopefully I will find a bit of time to work on C-Chan's birthday picture, and that A/UX-tan fanart I've been meaning to do...
Title: Bella's OS-tan Manga Thread
Post by: C-Chan on September 14, 2008, 10:32:34 pm
Fufu... want to finish my responses up before the Bella-hime returns.  ^___^

QuoteNo, I have freaky slender hands. People are always joking that I'd be a great violinist XD


WAHAHA!!!  Found it!  Knew I heard that reference somewhere... ^v^

QuoteI actually planned to have Linux-sama come across some kind of refugee or victim of the devastation. I wasn't sure who it'd be, but as you said, is could almost be any wanderer or Vintage-tan...I just wonder, would this town have been destroyed by the Unix Wars, or one of the first in the OS Wars...? I could probably go either way...


Sure sure,... but when in doubt, compromise.  ^^
The town could have been devasted by both wars -- the Unix Wars could have devastated it economically and from massive collateral damage, then destroyed outright when the OS Wars started.  War-weary areas would have been particular vulnerable, since they were easiest to strike first.

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As we've supposed before, Leopard-tan can only make her "passenger's" consciousness traverse time, so when Linux-sama does finally come to--back in her current (early 1990s) body, back on that train, she will think that it was all a very vivid dream. Except for maybe some small thing left behind by Leopard-tan.


*wags tail from curisoity of this "small thing"*  ^___^

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I don't know if I will (or even can) get that deep into it in the chapter, but I do plan to have the chapter perhaps open with some scenes of the early hacker culture. I'd like to have a cameo of the young Emacs-kun, perhaps ITS-san and WAITS-san working together to craft the famous book of their Culture's legends, the Jargon File.


Oh yeah, don't mind all the rambling I wrote.  Basically was trying to establish a backstory for the chapter's events, but you really should only focus on only small "snapshots" for your comic.  At most, you could do another narrated montage of sequences akin to ITS-sama's travels with Linux-sama.

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Except for a few of them...no, a few would continue to hold on to their past culture, led by a certain, scruffy, bearded, guru-type (gosh, I wonder who that would be?). He would vow to create a Renaissance of freedom and nonconformism; and while everything would go to plan, the leader of this new golden age (GNU-tan) would be noticeably absent, for their lack of trying to find/recruit/construct her.


Aaa sou sou!  Now that small reference to the Hacker Culture of Olde makes sense in that context.  ^___^

QuoteI would like to feature a few of her early daughters somewhere in this comic...I just don't know how I'm going to do it as of now.


Well certainly once Linux-sama makes her peace with Unix-sama, she's gonna HAVE to introduce young Slack-chan to her role model.  Probably started off as something sweet and innocent like an autograph.  ^.^'

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At first I thought it might be interesting for her to be knocked out by Solaris-san's (memory/emotion manipulation) power, and wake up in Unix-sama's office; while still a bit stunned at first, she would realized what was going on soon enough. While very defensive at first, Unix-sama would point out that she meant her no harm, and then the story would progress to their discussion...


In fairness, that would be an easier [and faster] thing to draw.  Besides, Linux-sama likely still wouldn't have been strong enough at the time to hold back FIVE Unices or so.  ^____^

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Or perhaps Linux-sama would be brought in by the Unixes, fully aware of what was going on. But it had never crossed my mind to have her come in willingly...I like this idea, too. I'll have to think of which scenario would be best in the story...


Pick and choose carefully.  Remember, it's not so much a matter of making a great story, but just getting it finished. ^__^

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Well put! I think Unix-sama would realize that if left to their own devices, her own family was sure to self destruct and slide into obscurity. She would have seen Linux-sama as the last chance for their kind to have a real future. This is probably why she never tried to attack Linux-sama in her youth, even if it would have been easy to kill her early on. (Plus all that other stuff going on at the time).


Sou sou!  The thought would have crossed her mind -- but what with all her daughters engaged in some savage family fued, stamping down only the latest of what seemed like a bastard copycat clone would have seemed wastefully trivial at the time.  ^.^

QuoteWow, a latent genius, a demon-girl, and a total glutton? Whatta gal! ^^


I'm starting to worry I keep making FreeB-chan sound like some super heroine with no flaws whatsoever.  ^.^;

Before I step down that shallow path taken by so many Western comicbook writers, I should probably point out that despite all the admirable things, she IS still too laid back and too unambitious.  

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I do agree about Unix-sama realizing that Multics-sama was her mother almost from the start, even with GECOS-san telling her otherwise. I do wonder if Unix-sama would have been as persecuted as you imagine, as it seems Unix took off more rapidly than anyone thought it would. Although...this may not have been until the early/mid 1970s...


Ah yes -- for maximum OLDNESS, I always start UNIX-sama's life from her UNICS years (or late 1960's).  ^__^

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But upon Unix-sama's angry admittance to her that she had, indeed, absorbed a portion of Multics-sama's power, GECOS-san would have become quite frightened and...as you said...left Unix-sama.


Fufufu... Well UNIX-sama was plenty pissed by then.  Now that she had the power to take revenge on those who made her "whelp years" so miserable, it's likely she would have started manifesting some early manifestations of her more deranged personality.  A sly smile, a bloodthirsty glaze over her Bell Lab eyes, a demented twitch from one of her owl ears,.. a sudden obsession with liver, fava beans and chianti.... ^.^;

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Multics-sama would have been a great deal more powerful than GECOS-san and could have easily defeated her if she had played her cards right. But GECOS-san, while lacking a great deal of sorcery, would have been a tactical genius and a master manipulator...


And as I always make the case, still is -- perhaps even more so than ever before, given the ever-failing strength of her sorcery.  She's no Unix-sama -- but owing to the years she spent raising her, she is able to read her young apprentice's tactical moves at least 60% of the time (enough to help out the CIOST out of binds).

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At any rate, thanks for these excellent ideas! I shall try to work some of them into my storyline. I always like hearing the opinion of others, because it presents ideas I wouldn't have thought of...


You're welcome.  ^^
I'm glad you're able to get some interesting ideas going from hearing mine -- but I figure that just any intention offered to your work is a big help.  Hard to keep doing something if it seems like no one's reading it.  -.-

QuoteNext up: Older Linux-sama's inspiration character....Balsa from Guardian of the Spirit?


Uhhhh...  ^^'

QuoteC'mon, ya gotta see some resemblance--both are spearwomen, both travel a lot, and use their skills more for the good of others than personal gain. And Balsa is selfless, unswayed by money, fearless and a skilled fighter, yet very caring.

I never really thought of a good inspiration character for Linux-sama's older, warrior-self until I started watching this show O__o


That's a pretty compelling case -- since I can't offer any counter-proposals, I guess it stands.  ^^
I never actually thought of any character-templates for Linux-sama (likely cause she wasn't drawn by me, I'm sure) -- for me, she was just kinda "there".  Before your comic arrived, I might have spent too much time thinking about her daughters [and mother/grandaughter] instead.  ^____^'

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Well, I guess I'm going to have to sign a raincheck to respond to those reviews later. Perhaps much later. But I shall return! And hopefully I will find a bit of time to work on C-Chan's birthday picture, and that A/UX-tan fanart I've been meaning to do...


Fufu... ^.^
Take your time -- don't forget that I took a whole week after your B-Day to draw you VMS-sama.  Goose and Gander, I say. ^___^
Title: Bella's OS-tan Manga Thread
Post by: Bella on September 16, 2008, 07:24:23 pm
Okay, so...despite my schedule right at the moment, I've been trying to make a bit of time to work on Chapter Three. Basically, it'll open with a flashback of Linux-san walking through a deserted town that was the site of...either a battle or bombing run, even I'm unsure. She meets 2.0-chan and 1.0-tan in this town; they're living in a tiny, run-down apartment (but Linux-sama doesn't know who they are). She sees how emotionally damaged 2.0-chan is by the War, and how...out of it...1.0-tan seems, and is very affected by this.

It then moves forward to the present. Leopard-tan meets Linux-san on a train, and tells her she's here to keep her from making the biggest mistake of her life (not going to Cambridge, and instead going back home). Leopard soon convinces Linux-san that she can see the future, and take her along to see the future, as well.

Now comes a flash-forward to the current time. Since it was only her mind time-traveling (or so Leopard-tan says), Linux-san wakes up, many years older, in her current home. After the shock wears off, Leopard-tan shows her around, trying to convince Linux-san that she will make a difference even if she doesn't intervene in the OS or Unix Wars.

After awhile, Leopard-tan tells her that they've seen enough--that they should go back now. Linux-san still wants to know more, but it's too late. She wakes up once again, aboard the train; Leopard-tan isn't with her, and she's back in her normal body, believing all she had just witnessed was just a dream.

Or so I have it planned.

Quotepage 1: Linux-sama hitchhiking? Poor Linux-sama! I especially like her appearance on the third panel of page 1- looks like she was trying to use some charm to persuade a driver, and what a shame that it didn't work! You are very good at drawing vehicles, btw!

page 2: Ooh! Linux-sama has some sass to her personality! I also like her facefaulting expressions in panels 3 and 5! The group shot of ITS-san and Linux-sama in the last panel is very cute!

page 3: The relations between ITS-san and Multics-sama revealed! So ITS-san did not live in luxury like Multics-sama did at all but at least she [ITS-san] has a lot more freedom! I see that Multics-sama does not like the little proletariat in her palace!

The backgrounds for panels 3 and 6 are beautifully done!

page 4: Heheheh... ITS-san should have known not to grab a super moody and powerful sorceress by the wings! And CTSS-sama steps in! And is that... Multics-sama acting childish in panel 4, using the classic childish excuse of "she started it"?! 0__0

ITS-san looks especially cute in the last panel!

page 5: I'm a little baffled as to who is being referred to in the narration (there's like no way that Multics-sama could have reminded ITS-san that humble people still exist!) but once again the scenery is all beautifully-done, and ITS-san and Linux-sama both look very cute in the last 2 panels!

page 6: Cool! Linux-sama and ITS-san are friends and do have a lot in common such as realizing the true value of freedom!

Their hair blowing in the wind is very well done!

page 7: Poor Multics-sama! Even she gets bored living the luxury lifestyle!

--Part 2--

Given the fighting that the two had earlier, I certainly agree that ITS-san would not be trusting of Multics-sama but it was really nice of ITS-san to give her a motorcycle ride! And it sure is incredible seeing Multics-sama submissive like that!

Heheh... I like ITS-san mocked Multics-sama and her followers in the first page! ITS-san's got attitude!

It is great seeing the two happily together, and Multics-sama getting a taste of freedom but so sad that it did not last long at all and shows she really does not have any freedom at all and that she wasn't living a good life despite being so rich.

The dialogue and narration about freedom and how Multics-sama does not have any is brilliant!

And finally... Linux-sama and ITS-san part ways... They would have made a good team but it was for the best apparently.

page 1: I actually drew a lot of cars and trucks when I was younger; I actually wanted to be a automotive designer for some time. Maybe that's where my talent for vehicles comes in ^///^

page 2: As if we didn't know Linux-sama was a bit sassy. Sassy and extremly honest, or so I hear ;)

page 3: I don't know if Multics-sama so much dislike ITS-san, as she dislikes ITS-san's company and attitude. They come from two very different cultures, so I think it's be natural that they not empathize with each other that much (at least at first).

page 4: Yeah, grabbing somebody by the wings when they're already not feeling so great is a very bad idea. So I'd have to side with Multics-sama on this one. But as you pointed out, I do believe for such a powerful and mature sorceress, Multics-sama would have a childish streak (later on in life). Especially when among her Multicians.

page 5: Maybe I should have refered to Linux-sama in those pages. Oh well, my bad. And thank you! I was hoping I didn't cut too much out with page 5, but I really didn't want to get things too dragged out.

page 6: I do see the two (Linux and ITS-san) as being unlikly friends, as one's a Unix-like and the other really dislikes Unixen. But I didn't really want to play up this angle, as I think once they met and got to talking, ITS-san would have realized how much they had in common and not cared about the other's background.

part two: Multics-sama would have been very...complex...I think. She's defentely a character that you can't really peg down one single typical personality for...even though we've thought of her as being arrogant, pompous, mean-spirited, manic and childish, and a half a dozen other things in the past, I don't think you could really say her attitude is dominated by any certain trait.

This should make writing a Multics-sama wiki page all the more fun T__T

But I would venture to guess that for the majority of her life, she would have wondered why such a great burden was placed on her. She was the most ambitious OS-tan of her day (or maybe in history), and would have felt she had to live up to her creators' ambitions, often sacrificing her physical and/or psychological health in the process. She'd have also struggled with thinking that she could never live up to the expectation of what she could do, although this would have lessened with age.

All in all, being born so rich and powerful was not a good thing for Multics-sama...

I do think ITS-san would be on the feisty side, though.

The dialogue/narration at the end actually just, kinda, came to me. I jotted it down right away, and knew I'd have to use it in this chapter.

Thank you for the review, Aurora-sama! :D

And to answer C-Chan's review...

page 1: Hmmm...I wonder who might have given her that spear...? Maybe we'll find out in another chapter....


page 2: Yeah, the bike is meant to say "PDP-10", the last platform ITS ran on. I figure hardware would be, in some cases, analogous to the home/territory in which the OS-tan lives; and since ITS-san is a traveler, it's only natural...

page 3: Thank you! I don't think I'm exceptionally good at any one point of drawing, but I do try to be good enough at many points.

And yes, I do suppose Multics-sama would have talked very elegantly; that is to say, when she wasn't talking in FRICKIN' LATIN! :P

page 4: Well, I figured that all things with feathers would have to molt sometime. I think Multics-sama wouldn't have been too happy about having wings; she'd have derided her creators for coming up with the idea, as they would be of no real use to her...only getting in her way during fights and being one more body part to injure -__-

I dunno if Multics-sama magicked ITS-san down or not; I actually thought that she just pushed her. But I'm not entirely sure of it. ;)

And I do think CTSS-sama would have been very affectionate with Multics-sama; but she also would have been very no-nonsense and practical, and would have disliked seeing would-be daughter engaging in play she deemed "un-ladylike". While CTSS-sama would have liked ITS-san, she also would have thought she was too rough and tumble.

page 5: Yeah, I tossed about the idea of adding a couple of pages; but in the end, I thought it would be better if I tried to keep the storyline moving. Any strange anatomy...well, I try to check my drawings and make sure everything looks correct, but occasionally I'll miss something or just be too lazy to change it... : |

page 8: I don't think Multics-sama would have liked stuffiness at all--she would have gone along with it, but she would have perfered to live like ITS-san or CP/CMS-tan, really.

page 9: Thanks. I did try to make Multics-sama and Linux-sama's situations (asking ITS-san for a ride) quite similar; I wanted to make a parallel between the two.

page 11: OMG...you're right...Multics-sama and XP-san do have a bit in common...

*bawls*

XP-SAAAAAMMMMMAAAA!!!

page 12: Yes, I wanted this flashback to occur in winter, a season that's often associated with sadness. I actually do give a lot of thought to the seasons and settings in my story.

While I didn't intend it at the time, I now think that whisp of hair on Multics-sama's face reminds me a bit of Lisa-san....

Yeah, I do think that Multics-sama would have actually remained...dunno if optimistic is the word for it...but she wouldn't have still been doing well until the 80s. After that things would have gone downhill, until her eventual "exile" to the far North, and subsequent death in 2000.

I never did think that ITS-san would know of Multics-sama's and Unix-sama's relation, either...

page 13: I did use some reference pictures, but I didn't really copy them--I mostly need references to get a feel for perspective, as architectural drawing doesn't come too naturally to me. Some reference pix I use are my own, but others I get a bit lazy about and just end up Googling ;)

Cambridge refers to the town that MIT is located in (and where the GNU project was/is based). I'm very proud as a New Englander that half of GNU/Linux was designed in my neck of the woods, so to speak. Just about every DEC OS, VMS, ITS, CTSS, CP/CMS, Primos-- and of course a great deal of Multics --were designed in Massachusetts, and NH has DTSS...so we have a lot of great OSes to claim as our own.  ^^

Not like them Arizonans having GECOS T___T

Linux-sama was born in Finland, but working this fun fact into the story is a bit hard--I mean, I imagined she'd talk with just a slight Finish accent, but that's a bit hard to illustrate. XD


QuoteSure sure,... but when in doubt, compromise. ^^
The town could have been devasted by both wars -- the Unix Wars could have devastated it economically and from massive collateral damage, then destroyed outright when the OS Wars started. War-weary areas would have been particular vulnerable, since they were easiest to strike first


I'm not going to get too deep into what war caused the damage, but that's a good compromise.

QuoteWell certainly once Linux-sama makes her peace with Unix-sama, she's gonna HAVE to introduce young Slack-chan to her role model. Probably started off as something sweet and innocent like an autograph. ^.^'


I was actually toying around with the idea of having a scene where Slack-chan meets Unix-sama (near the end of the last chapter) but wasn't sure if it would be hokey or not :P

QuoteIn fairness, that would be an easier [and faster] thing to draw. Besides, Linux-sama likely still wouldn't have been strong enough at the time to hold back FIVE Unices or so. ^____^


Sounds good! Or, I could compromise again--maybe Linux-sama started to scold them when Solaris-tan had enough and decided to knock her out... ;)

QuotePick and choose carefully. Remember, it's not so much a matter of making a great story, but just getting it finished. ^__^


Exactly. Whenever I feel like making it more complicated, I tell myself I want to do a great little story, not a great big story.

QuoteSou sou! The thought would have crossed her mind -- but what with all her daughters engaged in some savage family fued, stamping down only the latest of what seemed like a bastard copycat clone would have seemed wastefully trivial at the time. ^.^


True. Linux-sama did just kinda come out of nowhere; perhaps if the old-school, proprietary Unixen had known how popular she would become, they would have tried to do away with her sooner.

QuoteI'm starting to worry I keep making FreeB-chan sound like some super heroine with no flaws whatsoever. ^.^;

Before I step down that shallow path taken by so many Western comicbook writers, I should probably point out that despite all the admirable things, she IS still too laid back and too unambitious.


...and she eats everything that she can stuff down her gullet. T__T


QuoteAh yes -- for maximum OLDNESS, I always start UNIX-sama's life from her UNICS years (or late 1960's). ^__^


Well, Unics was created in the summer of 1969. I've read Unix went from a concept and a filesystem sketched out on a chalkboard to a "working" OS in around a month!

Though it would be until 1971 that they started using it in the patent department for word processing.


QuoteFufufu... Well UNIX-sama was plenty pissed by then. Now that she had the power to take revenge on those who made her "whelp years" so miserable, it's likely she would have started manifesting some early manifestations of her more deranged personality. A sly smile, a bloodthirsty glaze over her Bell Lab eyes, a demented twitch from one of her owl ears,.. a sudden obsession with liver, fava beans and chianti.... ^.^;


Deranged! You hath call the Goddess deranged! I shall chuckith my boots at you in place of her Divine Majesty!

*takes off boots*

*chucks them at heretic*

*calls*

Unix-sama! We's having a tiny pork roast t'night!

QuoteAnd as I always make the case, still is -- perhaps even more so than ever before, given the ever-failing strength of her sorcery. She's no Unix-sama -- but owing to the years she spent raising her, she is able to read her young apprentice's tactical moves at least 60% of the time (enough to help out the CIOST out of binds).


Ahhh, so this is why they haven't been overrun by angry Unix troops yet. GECOS-san is their tactical advisor! ^^

QuoteYou're welcome. ^^
I'm glad you're able to get some interesting ideas going from hearing mine -- but I figure that just any intention offered to your work is a big help. Hard to keep doing something if it seems like no one's reading it. -.-


*bats eyelashes*

I'm reading it! :P


QuoteThat's a pretty compelling case -- since I can't offer any counter-proposals, I guess it stands. ^^
I never actually thought of any character-templates for Linux-sama (likely cause she wasn't drawn by me, I'm sure) -- for me, she was just kinda "there". Before your comic arrived, I might have spent too much time thinking about her daughters [and mother/grandaughter] instead. ^____^'


I see...yeah, I never really thought much about Linux-sama either. Maybe it's because she's one of the few characters that's not completely sick/psychotic/screwed up in the head like all my other favorite characters! XD

But I admit there's something nice about a character who's so selfless and likable.
Title: Bella's OS-tan Manga Thread
Post by: C-Chan on September 16, 2008, 07:52:14 pm
YEAH!!!  Bella-hime's BACK!!!  ^v^

And boy, do I have a helluva response for you!  ^___^

Hold on to your socks, cause you're gonna be witness to the greatest, most well-organized, well-documented, well-referenced and best of all LONGEST comments you've ever had the pleasure of reading off this foru--!!!!!!!!!!!! ^V^

*WHAM!!!!!!*

*gets crushed by pair of flying boots*
Title: Bella's OS-tan Manga Thread
Post by: Bella on October 10, 2008, 01:37:24 pm
Well, I'm back-ish now...alas, the last month has been tantamount to hell-on-earth for me T_____T

But I assure you I have nearly finished Chapter Three on the comic.
Title: Bella's OS-tan Manga Thread
Post by: Bella on October 16, 2008, 08:28:00 pm
Okay, here's one third of Chapter Three. I couldn't really think of a good name...any suggestions will be heeded (especially if they have to do with time travel/the future).

(http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s320/BellasOS-tans/comic/chap3pg1.jpg)

(http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s320/BellasOS-tans/comic/chap3pg2.png)

(http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s320/BellasOS-tans/comic/chap3pg3.png)

(http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s320/BellasOS-tans/comic/Copyofchap3pg4.png)

(http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s320/BellasOS-tans/comic/chap3pg5.png)

Notes: Not much to say here, I spent very little time in post-production. A lot of the lighting effects were done in Inkscape, with some cleaning done in PS.
Title: Bella's OS-tan Manga Thread
Post by: NejinOniwa on October 17, 2008, 04:22:27 am
Plot thickens. -w- Fufufufufufufu.


I liek.
Title: Bella's OS-tan Manga Thread
Post by: Bella on October 17, 2008, 06:53:09 pm
Thank you Nejin-san! It's nice to hear you're following my comic.

And I must say...that is one mesmerizing signature *___*
Title: Bella's OS-tan Manga Thread
Post by: NejinOniwa on October 17, 2008, 07:38:22 pm
I daresay, thine claim doth verily sound in mine ears. -w-
Title: Bella's OS-tan Manga Thread
Post by: C-Chan on October 20, 2008, 01:25:49 am
Well I can say this for now (till I get reply in proper)...

When Bella-hime says she'll deliver, she delivers in style. ^___^

I wouldn't mind the inking -- these still look wonderous without it, especially the demolished cityscapes.

Oh, my poor 2.0-chan.  ^o^
(the way she's drawn and acts, though, reminds me a bit of Nodoka from Negima)
Title: Bella's OS-tan Manga Thread
Post by: Bella on October 21, 2008, 04:22:19 pm
QuoteWell I can say this for now (till I get reply in proper)...

When Bella-hime says she'll deliver, she delivers in style. ^___^

I wouldn't mind the inking -- these still look wonderous without it, especially the demolished cityscapes.

Oh, my poor 2.0-chan. ^o^
(the way she's drawn and acts, though, reminds me a bit of Nodoka from Negima)


Wha? This is inked! Though I use pencil for some shading and also do digital shading.

Hmmm...Nodoka?

*googles*

What'da know, 2.0-chan does look a bit like her. Hmph. :P

Okay, next four pages. If you don't want me to post them, speak now or forever hold your peace...

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Okay!

(http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s320/BellasOS-tans/comic/chap3pg6.png)

(http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s320/BellasOS-tans/comic/chap3pg7.png)

(http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s320/BellasOS-tans/comic/chap3pg8.png)

(http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s320/BellasOS-tans/comic/chap3pag9.png)

Notes: I've hinted a bit about what sort of time travel Leopard-chan would use, but I'm still not solid on the exact details. I do think her time machine might use extremely concentrated energy to bend time, in this case, the energy being light. In real life, light-powered time machines have been proposed, but a notable flaw would be their ability to only transport energy on the sub-atomic level (as in, photons and electrons), so perhaps Leo-chan's machine works on a different basis :P
Title: Bella's OS-tan Manga Thread
Post by: Aurora Borealis on October 21, 2008, 04:57:14 pm
Once again I envy your superb ability at drawing complex backgrounds! ;010

Awww.... I feel so sad for Windows 1.0-chan and 2.0-chan, having to live in a shabby apartment with no utilities, winter is coming and they don't have any money to move out, and the part where 2.0-chan cries that her younger relatives do not acknowledge her existence!

It really is unfortunate that the two girls who represent the Windows OSes that were supported the longest (Windows 1.0 was released in 1985 and 2.0 in 1987 and were supported until Dec 31 2001!) are the most forgotten and suffered greatly :(

But hooray for Leopard-tan's time travel, showing Linux-sama the future! (excellent work with the special effects) :D
Title: Bella's OS-tan Manga Thread
Post by: C-Chan on October 24, 2008, 01:11:36 am
Whoops... the comic doubled in size while I was gone.  ^^;

No worries... I brought my siege weapons with me, and shall bombard the ramparts of your fortress on the 'Morrow.

If that GAWDLY-awesome closeup of Linux-sama's eyes are any indication, I'm gonna have my work cut out dispensing praise up the wazoo.  

What can I say?  You suffer from acute WIN.  
You really should consider seeing a doctor about it, you know.  -.-
Title: Bella's OS-tan Manga Thread
Post by: Nuker on October 24, 2008, 05:22:43 am
This is awesome. Just. Awesome.

Bella, I can now say, without any doubt, that you, this thread, and your OS-tan manga are made from pure, refined, concentrated, enhanced WIN.

Keep drawing! ^^
Title: Bella's OS-tan Manga Thread
Post by: C-Chan on October 25, 2008, 12:09:05 am
Indeed if WIN could be analogized as juice, Bella-hime would be a can of concentrate.  ^^

Now then, time for my siege.  Stand by.  ^.^

*starts typing furiously*

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EDIT:  Whoops,... I guess the crushing weight of Bella's boots made me forget to reply to the older stuff.  Better take care of that too.  ^___^;

*starts typing even MORE furiously*

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Quotepage 1: I actually drew a lot of cars and trucks when I was younger; I actually wanted to be a automotive designer for some time. Maybe that's where my talent for vehicles comes in ^///^


It is true that you're vehicles are as finely detailed as your clothing.  So while I still think you'd make a great fashion designer, it's nice to know you once considered something more technical.  ^^

A loooooooooong time ago in my youth, when I used to draw in colored pencils and stuff (and also hitch a ride on dinosaurs), I drew a lot of landscape artwork and always wanted to be a landscape artist (among other things).

Ironically, I've only rarely drawn landscapes in my OS-tan artwork -- I can think of the first Mac House comic panel, Puppy-chan's Ryoga cosplay pic and that list portraiture of C128-san and VIC20-chan as notable exceptions, but still...

Just surprising how much things change.  -.-

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But I would venture to guess that for the majority of her life, she would have wondered why such a great burden was placed on her. She was the most ambitious OS-tan of her day (or maybe in history), and would have felt she had to live up to her creators' ambitions, often sacrificing her physical and/or psychological health in the process. She'd have also struggled with thinking that she could never live up to the expectation of what she could do, although this would have lessened with age.

All in all, being born so rich and powerful was not a good thing for Multics-sama...


In other words, she was basically raised to live someone else's dreams.  That is very sad, although not uncommon -- how many children are subjected to the dreams, beliefs and expectations of the parent that may not necessarily be in their best interest?  They can't say yes or no,... they just go along with it without question and pay the consequences later.

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And yes, I do suppose Multics-sama would have talked very elegantly; that is to say, when she wasn't talking in FRICKIN' LATIN! :P


Vini Vidi Vici....  ^.^

or as I like to call it....

Weany Weedy Weaky.  -v-

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page 4: Well, I figured that all things with feathers would have to molt sometime. I think Multics-sama wouldn't have been too happy about having wings; she'd have derided her creators for coming up with the idea, as they would be of no real use to her...only getting in her way during fights and being one more body part to injure -__-


I need to borrow one of your emoticons for this....

XD

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And I do think CTSS-sama would have been very affectionate with Multics-sama; but she also would have been very no-nonsense and practical, and would have disliked seeing would-be daughter engaging in play she deemed "un-ladylike". While CTSS-sama would have liked ITS-san, she also would have thought she was too rough and tumble.


Poor CTSS-sama wouldn't last two seconds in the modern OS-tan world, where rough and tumble is the way of life.  ^^

I've often wondered if EXEC-sama should be the same way, although not having been raised in the same conditions she likely would be too humble to complain about 'unladylike' this or 'unsavory' that.

On the other hand, it would be nice to think of a few pet peeves for her.  ^^

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page 11: OMG...you're right...Multics-sama and XP-san do have a bit in common...

*bawls*

XP-SAAAAAMMMMMAAAA!!!


Incidentally, the market is abuzz with the notion that Windows 7 will fix all our problems and do your laundry too, so for sure now the end of Windows XP is probably nigh.  Regardless of whether the hype behind 7 is substantial or just the usual bullcrap.

After all, you can't build in digital rights management without bloat.

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I never did think that ITS-san would know of Multics-sama's and Unix-sama's relation, either...


I also want to keep that a heavily guarded secret, so there's no way for someone like ZX Spectrum-tan to come across that fact and pass it on to ITS-sama in the present day.

After all, UNIX-sama is co-benefactor to the Binteji Renmei, but its not without some self-interest for her.  Of course she'd keep tabs on everyone secretly, and would know the moment someone engages in an inconvenient line of investigation.

Luckily, intervening is as simple as just removing an incriminating book from a library to bring the investigation to a dead-end halt.  -v-

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Cambridge refers to the town that MIT is located in (and where the GNU project was/is based). I'm very proud as a New Englander that half of GNU/Linux was designed in my neck of the woods, so to speak. Just about every DEC OS, VMS, ITS, CTSS, CP/CMS, Primos-- and of course a great deal of Multics --were designed in Massachusetts, and NH has DTSS...so we have a lot of great OSes to claim as our own. ^^


That is actually amazing when you think about it.  ^^
Not sure how often I say this, but I'm very happy you're participation here has helped you unover a lot of your state/region's proud IT heritage.  ^___^

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Not like them Arizonans having GECOS T___T


BWAHAHA!  >v<

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Linux-sama was born in Finland, but working this fun fact into the story is a bit hard--I mean, I imagined she'd talk with just a slight Finish accent, but that's a bit hard to illustrate. XD


I honestly wouldn't even know how that would sound.  >.<
I'd guess it'd be like a cross between a Swede and a Russian trying to speak English.

That's where I envy Anime productions... they only have to worry about characters speaking Japanese, Japanese with a Kansai accent, or Engrish.  ^.^'

Oh, but that would be sooo cute if Linux-sama had an ever so subtle accent.  *coos*  ^.^

Course, by now she'd be highly polylingual.  -v-

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I'm not going to get too deep into what war caused the damage, but that's a good compromise.


And it's not an uncommon scenario either. Especially after the two World Wars, it was not uncommon for war-ravaged areas to be embroiled in further internal conflicts.  China is perhaps the largest and most dramatic example.

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I was actually toying around with the idea of having a scene where Slack-chan meets Unix-sama (near the end of the last chapter) but wasn't sure if it would be hokey or not :P


Oh, just add a little humor.  ^.^
Besides, supposing Slack-chan was still timid, demure and reverent back then?  Up until Slack-chan got a little too fervent for her britches, UNIX-sama might have actually found her company.... quaint.  

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Sounds good! Or, I could compromise again--maybe Linux-sama started to scold them when Solaris-tan had enough and decided to knock her out...


True that -- especially if the powerful Solaris-sama is sent in, we wouldn't want to present Linux-sama as being TOO powerful back in that day.  She was still a fledgling open sourceress.

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Ahhh, so this is why they haven't been overrun by angry Unix troops yet. GECOS-san is their tactical advisor! ^^


Well of course there's more, but the Old Crone does lend an interesting mix of experience and ruthlessness to the table.  She knows how she can strike fear in chaos among the ranks of Unix troops, but as you can see from my UUU-tan comments, she's also good at pissing off her own so-called "friends".  ^^;

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QuoteOkay, here's one third of Chapter Three. I couldn't really think of a good name...any suggestions will be heeded (especially if they have to do with time travel/the future).


YAY!!  ^__^
As for the name.... huh, didn't really realize we had names for the chapters.  ''

How about "Paradox Bait"... bwahahaha!!!  ^v^;

PANEL 1:  Brilliant!  I don't remember if I said a demolished city would be easy to draw, or whether you could pull it off based on prior great cityscapes you did.  Either way, you pulled it off nicely.

True, there aren't enough scenes to show the scope of destruction, but there's enough to convey the idea.  After all, this isn't really what you want to focus on in this chapter.  ^.^

Not sure if the antiquated clothing in the window display was intentional, but it's a cute touch.  So is the Lost poster, but I thick I can make out a "VAX" in the description.  And is that a Festivus poster above? ''

PANEL 2:  Fufufu... 2.0-chan.  ^.^
Well you already read my comment about Nodoka -- still stands, but that is a compliment.  Nodoka was a charming character (although I still prefer Yue).  ^___^

In the running scene, 2.0-chan's limbs and action lines seem fine, but Linux-sama's don't quite seem to make sense.  It almost seems like she's flying/floating, even though what she's actually doing is lunging forward.

PANEL 3:  Well 2.0-chan was hardly street-smart at the time and she's still shaken from all the violence.  So it likely never occurred to her that if someone is chasing her down intending to hurt her and her mom, the last thing she would be doing is leading the assailant to their home.  ^_________^;

But with a darling, innocent face of Linux-sama to comfort them, of course things would work out alright.  ^.^

PANEL 4:  Ah, I think I see now what you mean about 1.0-san being out of it.  Despite all that's happened, she seems... not entirely concerned of the predicament they're in.  The home is a wreck, it's not like you can go and buy one elsewhere at that particular time, the regional money has probably long been devalued,....

And of course there's gonna be no height if there isn't anyone left in the housing complex to run the boiler room.  Oh, and 1.0-san is giving food and supplies to a total stranger as if it's nothing.  ^.^'

Not that this is all bad per se, but no doubt that is what 2.0-chan might be thinking.  Aside from the trauma, she also has to contend with this apparent madness.  No doubt she probably wanted to leave a long time ago, and continues to ask herself day after day why they're still there.  ''

Poor Linux-sama asked the question that broke the camel's back, but it can't be helped -- she probably didn't know who the Windows Family were and why they would allow their own family to be exiled.

Oh,... is that picture frame in the wall what I think it is?  ^.^

PANEL 5:  GAH!  My poor 2.0-chan!  ^-^
Is that her side profile in the middle of the panel (next to "We might as well be dead to them!"), or is that Linux-sama having second thoughts about her uninvolvement in the wars?

I'm sure by now Linux-sama and 2.0-chan have met together again under much better circumstances -- if so, I think it would make for a very interesting and sweet (or bittersweet?) pseudo-epilogue for this panel segment.  ^^

The closeup shot of Linux-sama waking up is the best one I've seen of her in this panel set, if anything because her eyes are the best defined here.

But what's with the candy offer?  ^.^

QuoteNotes: Not much to say here, I spent very little time in post-production. A lot of the lighting effects were done in Inkscape, with some cleaning done in PS.


Ah sorry, I misinterpretted "post-production" with inking, hence my stupid comment.  Ignore that -- it's just C-chan dispensing a few more buckets full of suckage. ^^;

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Okay, next four pages. If you don't want me to post them, speak now or forever hold your peace...

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Okay!


No, I object to your posting them! I don't like them!  BLEH!  *raspberries* >v<

....

Oh wait, you posted them anyway.  Fufufu... ^.^

PANEL 6:  Ah, I think I get the candy reference now.  ^__^
But it wasn't entirely clear that the setting transitioned into the train -- I thought she was still in the 1.0-san's and 2.0-chan's house (or so called house anyway).  Maybe if you were able to fit in a brief cameo of the locomotive prior to the shot of Linux-sama sleeping, it might've helped drive the point. ^__^

I don't recall seeing Linux-sama angry, upset or annoyed much in this comic, so it's kinda adorable to see her suspicious in that one shot. ^>^

Likewise, Leopard-chan seems to be her older sexier self, and by GAWDS the freckles... *SQUEALS*  >v<

I can kinda understand Linux-sama's dilemma, but truth be told, just like how you can't fight inflation with MORE inflation, you can't stop war with more war.  Two wrongs don't make a right, but rather one big-ass wrong.  -v-

Had she jumped in at the time to help out, even if just by being a nurse, her participation simply would have legitimized and reinforced that which was already corrupt.  If you want to end wars, you have to at least try to change the world.  If you feel you can't change the world, then don't be surprised if wars don't end anytime soon.  

Helping individual people is a means to the goal, but it would be a waste to consider it the end goal.

This at least is how I would explain it to Linux-sama if I were in Leopard-chan's shoes.  -v-

*measures self with ruler*

Oh wait,... I COULD be in Leopard-chan's shoes.  *evil lecherous grin* @v@


PANEL 7:  Now we'll start on what I feel are the award-winning panels in terms of Best Special Effects.  ^___^

First off, the disjointed handhold is quite masterful -- not only is it a great execution of a very common and respected techique to show focus, but they're fingers are nicely articulated, especially for such a fast picture.

Then we have the fantastic lighting effects coming from the watch in the next two panels, complete with onomatopeia of the train whistle literally blasting an opening into the Future arch.  ^^

The little cutaway of Linux-sama's room in the Future (er, Present) is positioned in a great location -- plus you have to be awarded substantial points for the very subtle yet very gorgeous lighting filtering in from the curtains, which are drawn with amazing realism.  ^___^

PANEL 8:  And then my absolute favorite closeup of all!  The eyes, the lashes, the brows, the wisp of hair, the shading and elegant reflections -- and just the overall drama of the shock so lusciously illustrated in this one seemingly insignifcant transitional pic.  Is it naive of me to consider this one section of the panel to be an epic Tour de Force?  ^___^

*stares at next few "lingerie" panels*

....

*widens lecherous grin*  @v@

On second thought, I'll just... uh... do a little.... quality control... yeah... on the next few sections.  ^____^

Massive sex appeal aside, the scene is funny as hell.  A few years ago a young girl subjected me to this horrible Disney movie called "30 over 13" or something like that (thankfully she was a smart one, so it wasn't long before we were both poking fun at it).  However, I remember the scene where the highly impressionable 80's girl wishes herself into her 30-year old self in the future, and quickly starts to scream and freak at everything that moved in her apartment.

This is kinda like that, but with so much more WIN I deserve 50 lashes for even daring to make that kind of comparison. ^_____^;

Oh, and I can recognize Ubuntu-chan, but hard to say who the lady next to her or the dude in the background are.  I'll guess the guy is Linus in a rare cameo, but as for the girl....

*picks random Linux-tan*

I'll say it's Mandriva-sama and hope for the best.  ^.^

PANEL 9:  The LOLZ continues.  ^>^
The actions lines for all the shaking work nicely here, and Leopard-chan's expression (that of borderline asphyxiation) is priceless.

Oh and just spotted her tail.  ^.^

*lecherous smile is accompanied by nosebleed*

Stupid Ichigo 100% rubbed all that needless perversion on me.  Hopefully it'll go away with a little... *checks Anime queue*.... Shuffle?  I'm doomed.  >___<

It must be particularly strange for Linux-chan to be average girl-next-door one minute, and then suddenly be plunged into a kind of motherhood on steroids.  At the same time, it must be some comfort for her to know that she will never have to worry about passing on a legacy -- that part's covered 1000x over.  ^_____^

Did you use a reference shot for that building entrance to, or is it the lighting that makes it look absolutely exquisite?  ^.^

Speaking of exquisite, Linux-sama's face, hair and humina-hummus uniform that you've thankfully popularized here all conspire to absolutely FLOOR me this evening.  @v@

*SWOONS*

All in all, this keeps getting better and better.  ^___^
Am I gonna have to find another promotion past Bella-hime?
Empress Bella maybe?  @o@
Title: Bella's OS-tan Manga Thread
Post by: NejinOniwa on October 25, 2008, 02:00:45 am
QuoteI honestly wouldn't even know how that would sound. >.<
I'd guess it'd be like a cross between a Swede and a Russian trying to speak English.

Actually, not at all. Both Swedish and Russian are part of the Indo-European language tree, while Finnish is one of the few languages on the Finnish-Ugric language tree. It's not alike at all.

However, you can ask either me or VonDaab-kun to provide a sample, if you wish ^^ I'm a master of dialects.

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in fact that's not necessary either. Have some clip of Finnish President (or ex-, I dunno) speaking english. Good illustration.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zMSWA-FKHRE

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QuotePANEL 6: Ah, I think I get the candy reference now. ^__^
But it wasn't entirely clear that the setting transitioned into the train -- I thought she was still in the 1.0-san's and 2.0-chan's house (or so called house anyway). Maybe if you were able to fit in a brief cameo of the locomotive prior to the shot of Linux-sama sleeping, it might've helped drive the point. ^__^

quoted for truth. I also had a bit of confusion thrown at me at this part.
Title: Bella's OS-tan Manga Thread
Post by: C-Chan on October 25, 2008, 05:03:26 pm
QuoteActually, not at all. Both Swedish and Russian are part of the Indo-European language tree, while Finnish is one of the few languages on the Finnish-Ugric language tree. It's not alike at all.


Aa sou sou, that's not uncommon at all.  Romania is right smack dab in the middle of slavic countries, but it's language is technically a Romance one.  And the Ainu language in Japan has nothing in common with anything even remotely Chinese/Japanese/Korean/Russian.

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in fact that's not necessary either. Have some clip of Finnish President (or ex-, I dunno) speaking english. Good illustration.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zMSWA-FKHRE


*squeals with delight*  A younger girl might've been nice, but no this is great.  ^__^
This tells me that Linux-sama, while better at enunciating words in other languages, would certainly have a tendency to stress the "oo"s and "u"s and slur compound consonants (like "dr-", "sh-", "th-" and "ch-").  ^^
Title: Bella's OS-tan Manga Thread
Post by: Bella on October 27, 2008, 03:08:04 pm
QuoteOnce again I envy your superb ability at drawing complex backgrounds!

Awww.... I feel so sad for Windows 1.0-chan and 2.0-chan, having to live in a shabby apartment with no utilities, winter is coming and they don't have any money to move out, and the part where 2.0-chan cries that her younger relatives do not acknowledge her existence!

It really is unfortunate that the two girls who represent the Windows OSes that were supported the longest (Windows 1.0 was released in 1985 and 2.0 in 1987 and were supported until Dec 31 2001!) are the most forgotten and suffered greatly


I didn't know M$ supported 1.0 and 2.0 for so long! Then again, their supporting the systems probably doesn't mean much (XP will probably be supported for a long time, and look at how they treat it).

Anyhow, thank you!

QuoteBut hooray for Leopard-tan's time travel, showing Linux-sama the future! (excellent work with the special effects)


Yeah, I really went wild with the special effects. You can do stuff like that with Inkscape :)

QuoteThis is awesome. Just. Awesome.

Bella, I can now say, without any doubt, that you, this thread, and your OS-tan manga are made from pure, refined, concentrated, enhanced WIN.

Keep drawing! ^^


Thank you so much, Nuker-san! I'm happy your reading my manga :3

QuoteIt is true that you're vehicles are as finely detailed as your clothing. So while I still think you'd make a great fashion designer, it's nice to know you once considered something more technical. ^^

A loooooooooong time ago in my youth, when I used to draw in colored pencils and stuff (and also hitch a ride on dinosaurs), I drew a lot of landscape artwork and always wanted to be a landscape artist (among other things).

Ironically, I've only rarely drawn landscapes in my OS-tan artwork -- I can think of the first Mac House comic panel, Puppy-chan's Ryoga cosplay pic and that list portraiture of C128-san and VIC20-chan as notable exceptions, but still...

Just surprising how much things change. -.-


That's interesting to know. I consider myself the opposite-- I'm not naturally good with, nor do I greatly enjoy drawing, backgrounds and landscapes, but I practice enough to make it work.

QuoteIn other words, she was basically raised to live someone else's dreams. That is very sad, although not uncommon -- how many children are subjected to the dreams, beliefs and expectations of the parent that may not necessarily be in their best interest? They can't say yes or no,... they just go along with it without question and pay the consequences later


If you think about it, that's the situation a lot of proprietary OS-tans are in -__-

QuoteI need to borrow one of your emoticons for this....

XD


Whaaaa? That was supposed to be a very sad point. Or is this just retribution for my occasional use of verticons? ~__^

QuoteI also want to keep that a heavily guarded secret, so there's no way for someone like ZX Spectrum-tan to come across that fact and pass it on to ITS-sama in the present day.

After all, UNIX-sama is co-benefactor to the Binteji Renmei, but its not without some self-interest for her. Of course she'd keep tabs on everyone secretly, and would know the moment someone engages in an inconvenient line of investigation.

Luckily, intervening is as simple as just removing an incriminating book from a library to bring the investigation to a dead-end halt. -v-


We better hope the Vintage-tans don't have web access, cause the internetz are abuzz with all sorts of conspiracies linking Unix and Multics XD

*points to Multicians.org page titled "Our Famous Child" (http://multicians.org/unix.html)*

QuoteThat is actually amazing when you think about it. ^^
Not sure how often I say this, but I'm very happy you're participation here has helped you unover a lot of your state/region's proud IT heritage. ^___^


Like I need more pride... ^^

*starts waving NH/Mass. flags*

QuoteI honestly wouldn't even know how that would sound. >.<
I'd guess it'd be like a cross between a Swede and a Russian trying to speak English.

That's where I envy Anime productions... they only have to worry about characters speaking Japanese, Japanese with a Kansai accent, or Engrish. ^.^'

Oh, but that would be sooo cute if Linux-sama had an ever so subtle accent. *coos* ^.^

Course, by now she'd be highly polylingual. -v-


Well, she's an honorary Massachusettsan, so I wonder if she's picked up a bit of New Englander accent...

@____@

*head asplodes trying to imagine Finnish/Mass. accent*

QuoteOh, just add a little humor. ^.^
Besides, supposing Slack-chan was still timid, demure and reverent back then? Up until Slack-chan got a little too fervent for her britches, UNIX-sama might have actually found her company.... quaint.


Somehow I think Slack-chan has always been on the...hyper side :P

QuoteTrue that -- especially if the powerful Solaris-sama is sent in, we wouldn't want to present Linux-sama as being TOO powerful back in that day. She was still a fledgling open sourceress.


I've been tossing around the idea of making the fifth chapter focus on Solaris-san's backstory...I don't know if I can come up with enough stuff, but it would probably feature the yet undrawn SpringOS-tan. I would like to hint that Solaris-tan's dislike of Linux-sama came from the fear that she would cause the Unix Wars to escalate, and that she would eventually overtake the old Unix family.

But I still have to think up ideas for the fourth chapter, which I suppose is going to focus on Emacs-kun (and ITS-san, and WAITS-san)...

But to reply to your review, (omitting quotes for the sake of speed)...

PANEL 1:
That's a lost animal/whatnot poster, I think that actually says "if found call (some ilegible number)", and the other is supposed to say "festival".

PANEL 2:
I suppose you're right (about Linux-sama not looking quite right). Oh well -___-

PANEL 4:
This all sounds about right, I figured 2.0-chan would actually be a lot more reasonable than her mom, and would realize what was going on fully. Linux-sama doesn't know who they are at this point, either. And yes, that picture is 1.0-san's family collage

PANEL 5:
No, that's 2.0-chan in the middle of the panel. I should have made it clearer, but Linux-sama is just thinking back to this meeting...


PANEL 6:
...and I was going to show a shot of the train, but I ended up having a shot of Linux-sama sleeping. The candy reference really doesn't mean anything...yet.


PANEL 7:

The noise is actually supposed to be coming from the time machine, but the tunnel does have a bit of symbolic meaning. Just as a tunnel is dug through a solid material and used to get from one point to another in a shorter time, time-travel is a shortcut though the fabric of spacetime in order to end up at another point...or so I think.

PANEL 8:
Haha! I remeber seeing that movie! I think it's called 13 Going On 30.

At any rate, I'm glad my fans are being serviced well XD

And you don't recognize who's next to Ubuntu-san? That's none other than Slackware-chan (in her black outfit with white lab-coat). She's even holding a pipe. The dude in the distance...I dunno, I guess he's Random file/program-kun (aka, an extra).


PANEL 9:
Well, I think even at this point she would have known her DNA/Source code was pretty much open for anyone to use, so she must have realized she could end up with a lot of daughters. O__o
And no, I didn't use any reference shots for this page. Luckily I'm decent at conceptualizing perspective...

QuoteAll in all, this keeps getting better and better. ^___^
Am I gonna have to find another promotion past Bella-hime?
Empress Bella maybe? @o@


And I stand by my claim that my only talent is being able to pick up new stuff quickly. ^///^

QuoteActually, not at all. Both Swedish and Russian are part of the Indo-European language tree, while Finnish is one of the few languages on the Finnish-Ugric language tree. It's not alike at all.

However, you can ask either me or VonDaab-kun to provide a sample, if you wish ^^ I'm a master of dialects.

Added after 5 minutes:

in fact that's not necessary either. Have some clip of Finnish President (or ex-, I dunno) speaking english. Good illustration.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zMSWA-FKHRE


Hmm, thanks for the clip! This surprised me too, because in any movies or whatever with a Finnish character, they usually sound vaguely Scandinavian...

Quote*squeals with delight* A younger girl might've been nice, but no this is great. ^__^
This tells me that Linux-sama, while better at enunciating words in other languages, would certainly have a tendency to stress the "oo"s and "u"s and slur compound consonants (like "dr-", "sh-", "th-" and "ch-"). ^^


And of course, any NE OS-tans would have a tendency to completely forget about the existence of T's and R's, and replace them with D's, and Ah's.

No really, I think in 1700s New England, people who pronounced those two letters were convicted of practicing witchcraft. O__o
Title: Bella's OS-tan Manga Thread
Post by: Aurora Borealis on October 27, 2008, 05:47:06 pm
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I didn't know M$ supported 1.0 and 2.0 for so long!

I was surprised too, considering that Windows 1 did not sell well at all!

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Then again, their supporting the systems probably doesn't mean much (XP will probably be supported for a long time, and look at how they treat it).

I feel sad for XP-san! :(

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That's interesting to know. I consider myself the opposite-- I'm not naturally good with, nor do I greatly enjoy drawing, backgrounds and landscapes, but I practice enough to make it work.

I can completely relate to that!

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If you think about it, that's the situation a lot of proprietary OS-tans are in -__-

True that, and it's particuarly bad for the Mac and Windows-tans who all must accept the fact that they will one day be replaced by a younger sister.

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We better hope the Vintage-tans don't have web access, cause the internetz are abuzz with all sorts of conspiracies linking Unix and Multics XD

*points to Multicians.org page titled "Our Famous Child" (http://multicians.org/unix.html)*

If they do have internet access, I imagine that Unix-sama would have surely blocked some certain sites.

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Like I need more pride... ^^

*starts waving NH/Mass. flags*

Too bad that the state that I live in is not reputed for being... tech-savvy :(

Quote
Somehow I think Slack-chan has always been on the...hyper side :P

I agree!

Quote
I've been tossing around the idea of making the fifth chapter focus on Solaris-san's backstory...I don't know if I can come up with enough stuff, but it would probably feature the yet undrawn SpringOS-tan. I would like to hint that Solaris-tan's dislike of Linux-sama came from the fear that she would cause the Unix Wars to escalate, and that she would eventually overtake the old Unix family.

I did have a preconcept backstory and description of her posted up months ago but to recap:

SpringOS-tan was Solaris-tan's much younger sister who was a child prodigy and an artist (specializing in abstract paintings), and very down-to-earth. She died young but was around to teach her older sister some things, even including some spells.

Appearance-wise, she is young-looking (I'd say a preteen) with curly hair, wears a dress in purple + orange + magenta, wears a lot of flower, butterfly and spring-shaped accessories.  

Solaris-tan was devastated over SpringOS-tan's death, and part of her motives for becoming Open Source were to avoid the same fate as her and a some of her bitterness stems from the fact that none of the other Unices were very supportive in her time of need.

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PANEL 4:
This all sounds about right, I figured 2.0-chan would actually be a lot more reasonable than her mom, and would realize what was going on fully. Linux-sama doesn't know who they are at this point, either. And yes, that picture is 1.0-san's family collage

AAAUGH! I didn't notice that was the family collage in the background! But kudos to you, Bella, for adding such references! ;019

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And you don't recognize who's next to Ubuntu-san? That's none other than Slackware-chan (in her black outfit with white lab-coat). She's even holding a pipe. The dude in the distance...I dunno, I guess he's Random file/program-kun (aka, an extra).

And I didn't notice the pipe! *slaps self in forehead* I'm slipping behind on  OS-tan knowledge and trivia! ;__;
Title: Bella's OS-tan Manga Thread
Post by: C-Chan on October 28, 2008, 04:16:25 pm
QuoteI didn't know M$ supported 1.0 and 2.0 for so long! Then again, their supporting the systems probably doesn't mean much (XP will probably be supported for a long time, and look at how they treat it).

Anyhow, thank you!


My experience of tech support for Windows 98:

"Get Windows XP."

Yeeeeeeah...  -.-;

QuoteWhaaaa? That was supposed to be a very sad point. Or is this just retribution for my occasional use of verticons? ~__^


The latter.  ^^
Nah, it's just that I still can't get over the molting thing.  ROTFL material right there.  ^^

QuoteWe better hope the Vintage-tans don't have web access, cause the internetz are abuzz with all sorts of conspiracies linking Unix and Multics XD

*points to Multicians.org page titled "Our Famous Child"*


Actually, call me crazy, but I always imagined their direct "internet connection" (or OS-tan equivalent) would be rather... rustic.  ^^'
Either supplied by Quantum-san or concurrently, I always thought of something intermittent like this:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/programmes/from_our_own_correspondent/6929404.stm

If they need something better, any of them can make the hike to town -- but even THERE the connection is rather primitive.  They would have to make an exodus to a larger town or city for at least a little bit of broadband (and naturally, they'd bring enough bags with them to make the trip count).  ^.^

It's not that they want to live in the dark ages... but with so few vintage-tans able to take advantage of the internetz, building the pipeline is FAR down on the list of priorities.  (Much to C64-tans' dismay.  ^^;)

In any event, it's during these excursions where UNIX-sama [and Co.?] have to work overtime to hide anything linking UNIX-sama with Multics-sama.

QuoteSomehow I think Slack-chan has always been on the...hyper side :P


Okay,... then we'll just say she had a "quaint hyperness" to her.  Like how one might think a hyperactive child is cute, but a hyperactive adult creepy. ^^;

*keeps typing*

Added after 23 minutes:

QuoteI've been tossing around the idea of making the fifth chapter focus on Solaris-san's backstory...I don't know if I can come up with enough stuff, but it would probably feature the yet undrawn SpringOS-tan. I would like to hint that Solaris-tan's dislike of Linux-sama came from the fear that she would cause the Unix Wars to escalate, and that she would eventually overtake the old Unix family.


I think that can only be a small part of the reason, since the Unix Family was SO Balkanized at that point that more misery could only offer more company.

On the other hand, I would say she fiercely loathed the FOSS aspect of her in much the same way as an oil mogul would loathe wind, solar and geothermal energy.  It not only threatened her "business" (read family), but also threatened to change society as she knew it.  And as you might imagine, the defense of the status quo is a POWERFUL and FEARFUL drive, often taking on religious proportions itself (albeit more subtly).

QuoteThe noise is actually supposed to be coming from the time machine, but the tunnel does have a bit of symbolic meaning. Just as a tunnel is dug through a solid material and used to get from one point to another in a shorter time, time-travel is a shortcut though the fabric of spacetime in order to end up at another point...or so I think.


That's right, I was looking for the right way to point out the double-meaning behind the train tunnel/time jump.  That explains it nicely.  ^^

QuoteAnd you don't recognize who's next to Ubuntu-san? That's none other than Slackware-chan (in her black outfit with white lab-coat). She's even holding a pipe. The dude in the distance...I dunno, I guess he's Random file/program-kun (aka, an extra).


Ack!  I missed Slack-chan!  ;^-^;
Feel free to give me a pounding... -v-

QuoteWell, I think even at this point she would have known her DNA/Source code was pretty much open for anyone to use, so she must have realized she could end up with a lot of daughters. O__o


On the other hand, I'm not sure if she really gave that some thought.  Unless Minix-sensei used Unix-sama as a prime example of code propagation, Linux-sama might have easily been like "oh, okay, my DNA is open,... that's nice".  ^^

QuoteHmm, thanks for the clip! This surprised me too, because in any movies or whatever with a Finnish character, they usually sound vaguely Scandinavian...


...And Mexicans are played by Welsh, Spanish or Italian actors.  Damn you Hollywood!  *shakes fist*  >.<

QuoteToo bad that the state that I live in is not reputed for being... tech-savvy  


*inches closer out of curiosity*

I'm just gonna go ahead and use my geography expertise to make random guesses each day till I pick up the right one.  ^^

*makes Random US state guess*

Puerto Rico!  ^v^

...

Oh come on, you gotta admit it might as well be.... fufufu... -v-;
(and it fits the bill... a friend of mine living there has to spend an EXORBITANT amount of money just for a small hint of broadband).

QuoteI did have a preconcept backstory and description of her posted up months ago but to recap:

SpringOS-tan was Solaris-tan's much younger sister who was a child prodigy and an artist (specializing in abstract paintings), and very down-to-earth. She died young but was around to teach her older sister some things, even including some spells.

Appearance-wise, she is young-looking (I'd say a preteen) with curly hair, wears a dress in purple + orange + magenta, wears a lot of flower, butterfly and spring-shaped accessories.

Solaris-tan was devastated over SpringOS-tan's death, and part of her motives for becoming Open Source were to avoid the same fate as her and a some of her bitterness stems from the fact that none of the other Unices were very supportive in her time of need.


Ah yes I remember!  ^^
Kind of ironic that SpringOS-tan seemed like the kind of girl that would have gotten beautifully along with Linux-sama.  ^^

I would even propose that a driving reason for her ill-health (and eventual abandonment by the majority of the Unix Family) was that Spring-chan had grown TOO diverged from her Unix roots.

Could we consider this yet another reason why Solaris-sama, for many years, would be a fierce protector of the status quo?

QuoteAnd I didn't notice the pipe! *slaps self in forehead* I'm slipping behind on OS-tan knowledge and trivia! ;__;


You and me both.  ^.^
Wanna share dunce hats?
Title: Bella's OS-tan Manga Thread
Post by: Aurora Borealis on October 28, 2008, 08:18:24 pm
Quote from: "C-Chan"
My experience of tech support for Windows 98:

"Get Windows XP."

Yeeeeeeah...  -.-;

Did the person you told that agree? But considering that Windows 98 was somewhat of a disaster, upgrading is good advice!

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The latter.  ^^
Nah, it's just that I still can't get over the molting thing.  ROTFL material right there.  ^^

I admit I thought that was pretty funny too!

Quote
Actually, call me crazy, but I always imagined their direct "internet connection" (or OS-tan equivalent) would be rather... rustic.  ^^'
Either supplied by Quantum-san or concurrently, I always thought of something intermittent like this:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/programmes/from_our_own_correspondent/6929404.stm

Wow! That is very clever! ;010

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If they need something better, any of them can make the hike to town -- but even THERE the connection is rather primitive.  They would have to make an exodus to a larger town or city for at least a little bit of broadband (and naturally, they'd bring enough bags with them to make the trip count).  ^.^

It's not that they want to live in the dark ages... but with so few vintage-tans able to take advantage of the internetz, building the pipeline is FAR down on the list of priorities.  (Much to C64-tans' dismay.  ^^;)

Aww... Come on! Building the internet pipeline to the Binteeji Renmei is the best solution!

I wonder if the Binteeji Renmei's technical limitations such as scarce internet connections are another reason a lot of wanders want to remain wanderers!

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I think that can only be a small part of the reason, since the Unix Family was SO Balkanized at that point that more misery could only offer more company.

Misery loves company!

Quote
On the other hand, I would say she fiercely loathed the FOSS aspect of her in much the same way as an oil mogul would loathe wind, solar and geothermal energy.  It not only threatened her "business" (read family), but also threatened to change society as she knew it.  And as you might imagine, the defense of the status quo is a POWERFUL and FEARFUL drive, often taking on religious proportions itself (albeit more subtly).

I didn't know or think that Solaris-tan is such a far-right conservative!

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Ack!  I missed Slack-chan!  ;^-^;
Feel free to give me a pounding... -v-

Yeah, me too! And don't hold back!

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I'm just gonna go ahead and use my geography expertise to make random guesses each day till I pick up the right one.  ^^

*makes Random US state guess*

Puerto Rico!  ^v^

...

Oh come on, you gotta admit it might as well be.... fufufu... -v-;
(and it fits the bill... a friend of mine living there has to spend an EXORBITANT amount of money just for a small hint of broadband).

Hahahaha! No, though I have heard in past years the possibility of Puerto Rico becoming the 51st state. It's so sad that your friend has to spend so much on broadband. Makes me realize I do take it for granted :(

I actually live in the state of corn, farmers, college kids, corn, crazy weather, pigs, corn and sometimes politicians!

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Ah yes I remember!  ^^
Kind of ironic that SpringOS-tan seemed like the kind of girl that would have gotten beautifully along with Linux-sama.  ^^

It is possible that they may have met.

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I would even propose that a driving reason for her ill-health (and eventual abandonment by the majority of the Unix Family) was that Spring-chan had grown TOO diverged from her Unix roots.

I almost did put that down in the preconcept that she was sickly and died from an illness because she diverged too far from her Unix roots. From that (and not knowing how to do so without ill effects), she must have lost a lot of her life force.

*sniffle* It's downright awful that most of the Unix Family just abandoned her even though she was already in ill-health. That's like kicking someone while they are already down on the ground crying -__-

At least Solaris-tan was still highly supportive of her.

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Could we consider this yet another reason why Solaris-sama, for many years, would be a fierce protector of the status quo?

Yes! Exactly!

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QuoteAnd I didn't notice the pipe! *slaps self in forehead* I'm slipping behind on OS-tan knowledge and trivia! ;__;


You and me both.  ^.^
Wanna share dunce hats?

Sure! :D
Title: Bella's OS-tan Manga Thread
Post by: C-Chan on October 28, 2008, 08:20:50 pm
Yo Aurora-hime!
Hold that thought!

I have a present for you, O Wonderful Mac User Who I'm Sure Loves Free Stuff.  :)

http://down.codeweavers.com/?ad=65
Title: Bella's OS-tan Manga Thread
Post by: Bella on October 28, 2008, 08:51:00 pm
QuoteI did have a preconcept backstory and description of her posted up months ago but to recap:

SpringOS-tan was Solaris-tan's much younger sister who was a child prodigy and an artist (specializing in abstract paintings), and very down-to-earth. She died young but was around to teach her older sister some things, even including some spells.

Appearance-wise, she is young-looking (I'd say a preteen) with curly hair, wears a dress in purple + orange + magenta, wears a lot of flower, butterfly and spring-shaped accessories.

Solaris-tan was devastated over SpringOS-tan's death, and part of her motives for becoming Open Source were to avoid the same fate as her and a some of her bitterness stems from the fact that none of the other Unices were very supportive in her time of need.


Thanks for refreshing my memory! I suppose her color scheme and love of art would come from the SpringOS CD cover?

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/4/49/Spring_OS_1.0_cover.jpg)

QuoteAAAUGH! I didn't notice that was the family collage in the background! But kudos to you, Bella, for adding such references!


What can I say, I like trying to add some Easter Eggs here and there ;)

QuoteMy experience of tech support for Windows 98:

"Get Windows XP."

Yeeeeeeah... -.-;


My experience of tech support for Windows 98:

Linux FTW!!!!!

QuoteThe latter. ^^
Nah, it's just that I still can't get over the molting thing. ROTFL material right there. ^^


QuoteI admit I thought that was pretty funny too!


Ah, when you're a fan of fine, feathery OS-tans, you eventually begin to think of the physics of having wings and what trouble they would invariably entail.

QuoteActually, call me crazy, but I always imagined their direct "internet connection" (or OS-tan equivalent) would be rather... rustic. ^^'
Either supplied by Quantum-san or concurrently, I always thought of something intermittent like this:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/programmes/from_our_own_correspondent/6929404.stm


Wow! That article is...incredible actually ^^

QuoteIf they need something better, any of them can make the hike to town -- but even THERE the connection is rather primitive. They would have to make an exodus to a larger town or city for at least a little bit of broadband (and naturally, they'd bring enough bags with them to make the trip count). ^.^

It's not that they want to live in the dark ages... but with so few vintage-tans able to take advantage of the internetz, building the pipeline is FAR down on the list of priorities. (Much to C64-tans' dismay. ^^

In any event, it's during these excursions where UNIX-sama [and Co.?] have to work overtime to hide anything linking UNIX-sama with Multics-sama.


I'd always wondered what a internet connection would be in OS-tan terms... O__o

QuoteI think that can only be a small part of the reason, since the Unix Family was SO Balkanized at that point that more misery could only offer more company.

On the other hand, I would say she fiercely loathed the FOSS aspect of her in much the same way as an oil mogul would loathe wind, solar and geothermal energy. It not only threatened her "business" (read family), but also threatened to change society as she knew it. And as you might imagine, the defense of the status quo is a POWERFUL and FEARFUL drive, often taking on religious proportions itself (albeit more subtly).


This makes sense...

And I didn't notice the pipe! *slaps self in forehead* I'm slipping behind on OS-tan knowledge and trivia! ;__;

QuoteAck! I missed Slack-chan! ;^-^;
Feel free to give me a pounding... -v-


Nah, not your fault. After all, she's not acting hyper, creepy, and/or stalking some poor Unix-tan in this panel, so I can see where you'd confuse her with someone more level-headed :P

QuoteOn the other hand, I'm not sure if she really gave that some thought. Unless Minix-sensei used Unix-sama as a prime example of code propagation, Linux-sama might have easily been like "oh, okay, my DNA is open,... that's nice". ^^


Oh man, now I'm wondering what a Unix version of the infamous Birds and Bees Talk would go over like...

"Minix-sensei, where do baby OS-tans come from?"
"Little Linux-chan, I was wondering when you'd ask! Well, when a developer meets an OS-tan and falls very in love with her, they can decide to uses some of her source code to make a fork of that OS. That's how a new OS-tan is born!"
"I see..."  ;015
"And many of us Unixen have a great deal of admirers. Which means there's a lot of people interested in our source code, and a lot of new OS-tans born each year!"
"Oooohhhh..."  ;026

XD

Quote...And Mexicans are played by Welsh, Spanish or Italian actors. Damn you Hollywood! *shakes fist* >.<


...and everyone assumes Italy and Sicily have the same culture. Even most of the Sicilians I know assume they're Italian T__T

Quote*inches closer out of curiosity*

I'm just gonna go ahead and use my geography expertise to make random guesses each day till I pick up the right one. ^^

*makes Random US state guess*

Puerto Rico! ^v^

...

Oh come on, you gotta admit it might as well be.... fufufu... -v-;
(and it fits the bill... a friend of mine living there has to spend an EXORBITANT amount of money just for a small hint of broadband).


QuoteI actually live in the state of corn, farmers, college kids, corn, crazy weather, pigs, corn and sometimes politicians!


Ummm...I'm guessing Aurora-sama lives in...I...o...wa....? I...daho...? In....diana? One of those "I" states?

Speaking of which, I always assumed you [C-Chan] were from Canada for some reason. You just always seemed...Canadian...for some reason.

QuoteAh yes I remember! ^^
Kind of ironic that SpringOS-tan seemed like the kind of girl that would have gotten beautifully along with Linux-sama. ^^

I would even propose that a driving reason for her ill-health (and eventual abandonment by the majority of the Unix Family) was that Spring-chan had grown TOO diverged from her Unix roots.

Could we consider this yet another reason why Solaris-sama, for many years, would be a fierce protector of the status quo?


I think Solaris-san would've been one of Spring-chan's few close friends, and certainly one of the only Unix-tans who got along with her. If you want to be sappy, perhaps she would have promised Spring-chan that she would live to see the day there was peace among the Unixen-- but Spring-chan died before her would-be big sister's promise came to pass -___-

QuoteIt is possible that they may have met.


Really? When was SpringOS introduced/discontinued?

QuoteI almost did put that down in the preconcept that she was sickly and died from an illness because she diverged too far from her Unix roots. From that (and not knowing how to do so without ill effects), she must have lost a lot of her life force.


Ummm...sickness caused by diverging from her Unix roots...do I smell genetic problems?

QuoteI have a present for you, O Wonderful Mac User Who I'm Sure Loves Free Stuff.

http://down.codeweavers.com/?ad=65


I'll remember this site when my dad invariably brings his Mac home XD
Title: Bella's OS-tan Manga Thread
Post by: Aurora Borealis on October 28, 2008, 09:45:16 pm
Quote from: "Bella"
Thanks for refreshing my memory! I suppose her color scheme and love of art would come from the SpringOS CD cover?

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/4/49/Spring_OS_1.0_cover.jpg)

Exactly!

Quote
My experience of tech support for Windows 98:

Linux FTW!!!!!

That works too!

Quote
Ah, when you're a fan of fine, feathery OS-tans, you eventually begin to think of the physics of having wings and what trouble they would invariably entail.

Wings are awesome, but they are apparently more trouble than they are worth, hence why Multics-sama does not like having wings. An extra body part to get broken.

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In any event, it's during these excursions where UNIX-sama [and Co.?] have to work overtime to hide anything linking UNIX-sama with Multics-sama.


"The Vintage-tans are coming! Quick! We must hide all of 'those' websites!"
"Well, yeah. A lot of them are only children and should never be subjected to such awful sites!"
"They cannot find out the relation between me and the old relic! What did you think I was talking about?"
"Uhh..."
"OMG! It's Unix-sama!!! :D "

Quote
Nah, not your fault. After all, she's not acting hyper, creepy, and/or stalking some poor Unix-tan in this panel, so I can see where you'd confuse her with someone more level-headed :P

Hahaha! That explains it! I thought that Slackware-tan would have been the level-headed type hence why she was originally portrayed as one in zerOSanity but since all the conjectures of her craziness, when she returns in zerOSanity, she will return crazy!

Quote
Oh man, now I'm wondering what a Unix version of the infamous Birds and Bees Talk would go over like...

"Minix-sensei, where do baby OS-tans come from?"
"Little Linux-chan, I was wondering when you'd ask! Well, when a developer meets an OS-tan and falls very in love with her, they can decide to uses some of her source code to make a fork of that OS. That's how a new OS-tan is born!"
"I see..."  ;015
"And many of us Unixen have a great deal of admirers. Which means there's a lot of people interested in our source code, and a lot of new OS-tans born each year!"
"Oooohhhh..."  ;026

XD

That would make an excellent comic! Hilarious! ;027  ;027


Quote

Ummm...I'm guessing Aurora-sama lives in...I...o...wa....? I...daho...? In....diana? One of those "I" states?

I thought the corn, more corn and politicians would have been obvious. But it is Iowa.

Though mentally, I'm in Confusion! XD

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I think Solaris-san would've been one of Spring-chan's few close friends, and certainly one of the only Unix-tans who got along with her. If you want to be sappy, perhaps she would have promised Spring-chan that she would live to see the day there was peace among the Unixen-- but Spring-chan died before her would-be big sister's promise came to pass -___-

So much sap! I like it! ;129

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Really? When was SpringOS introduced/discontinued?

SpringOS started in 1993 or 1994, canceled in the mid- to late-1990s.

Quote
Ummm...sickness caused by diverging from her Unix roots...do I smell genetic problems?

Genetic problems! Those were the words I was looking for!
Title: Bella's OS-tan Manga Thread
Post by: C-Chan on October 28, 2008, 10:07:53 pm
QuoteDid the person you told that agree? But considering that Windows 98 was somewhat of a disaster, upgrading is good advice!


No, other way around, I was told to get rid of '98 in favor of XP.  This was YEARS ago though, back when I was still... yeaaah, don't want to remember that now....  -.-'

QuoteAww... Come on! Building the internet pipeline to the Binteeji Renmei is the best solution!

I wonder if the Binteeji Renmei's technical limitations such as scarce internet connections are another reason a lot of wanders want to remain wanderers!


Then that would remind me a lot of the iTunes excuse for not trying out Linux.  ^^'

"You get a roof over your head, the best homemade food and drink, the finest handmade clothing, the presence of some talented mechanical engineers, plenty of fresh air, gorgeous scenery, ample tranquility, a well-stocked library, good wholesome fun, and companionship of kind, loyal people who work together for a better tomorrow."

"Right, but can I check out MySpace?"

"There... might be some difficulties to..."

"You guys SUCK!!!!!  I'm going back to Windoz-- er, Wanderer life."

XD

QuoteI didn't know or think that Solaris-tan is such a far-right conservative!


Conservativism can mean different things in different countries, but I think I know what you mean.  ^^
Not sure if she herself would've been that kind of extremist -- maybe some of the old school Unices perhaps.  But their brand of freedom aversion would've been (and still is to some respect) more inherently profit/power-based and hence a lot more dangerous.  They're not only incapable of realizing their own inhumanity, but they also have the power and resources to enforce the criminalization of morality, intellectualism and [real] personal freedom with the same level of normality as they would exhibit drinking a glass of water.  

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I actually live in the state of corn, farmers, college kids, corn, crazy weather, pigs, corn and sometimes politicians!


*v*
*squeals with delight*  Sounds like a place I could call home.  ^___^

*practices pig latin*

QuoteThanks for refreshing my memory! I suppose her color scheme and love of art would come from the SpringOS CD cover?


Wow!  Fo a minute their I thought someone emptied out a box of crayons over the cover.  ^___^

It's a shame it didn't work out, though... that's some clever graphic art.  ^.^

QuoteI'd always wondered what a internet connection would be in OS-tan terms... O__o


It's really hard to say, as it could be roads (information superhighway), stores, libraries, books, mail order, phone lines, electricity, etc....

Even with the Binteji Renmei idea above, I still have no clear idea what exactly they'd be scarce of.  ^__^

In my game idea it was literally how they communicate, with super ancient modems being like can-and-wire phones, 5400 baud modems like Pony Express services, DSL like telegraphs, high speed modems like an established phone network, T3 lines like wireless networks, etc....

[Yes, the option always existed that the Binteji Renmei could be evolved THAT far, but not without sacrifice.  -v-]

QuoteOh man, now I'm wondering what a Unix version of the infamous Birds and Bees Talk would go over like...

"Minix-sensei, where do baby OS-tans come from?"
"Little Linux-chan, I was wondering when you'd ask! Well, when a developer meets an OS-tan and falls very in love with her, they can decide to uses some of her source code to make a fork of that OS. That's how a new OS-tan is born!"
"I see..."
"And many of us Unixen have a great deal of admirers. Which means there's a lot of people interested in our source code, and a lot of new OS-tans born each year!"
"Oooohhhh..."

XD


I can best that...

XDDDDDDDDDDD

QuoteUmmm...I'm guessing Aurora-sama lives in...I...o...wa....? I...daho...? In....diana? One of those "I" states?

Speaking of which, I always assumed you [C-Chan] were from Canada for some reason. You just always seemed...Canadian...for some reason.


Canadian, eh?
I wish,... I like the country and the coins and the peach juice and the poutin, but sadly I hail not from there.  I do (or rather used to) visit it a lot, though.  -.-

Le sigh....

Surprised you thought that, though.  It's not like I haven't mocked my nationality countless times.  Then again, it's not like there's many places left in the world that aren't either bellicose, greedy or just really really 'stoopid'. Hence why it's better to improve the self first and foremost before improving some made up national identity.  Â¬v¬

QuoteI'll remember this site when my dad invariably brings his Mac home XD


No, if you want it, download it NAU!  The offer runs out today.  :P

Added after 3 minutes:

Quote
"The Vintage-tans are coming! Quick! We must hide all of 'those' websites!"
"Well, yeah. A lot of them are only children and should never be subjected to such awful sites!"
"They cannot find out the relation between me and the old relic! What did you think I was talking about?"
"Uhh..."
"OMG! It's Unix-sama!!! "


Case in point!  ^.^

Quote
I thought the corn, more corn and politicians would have been obvious. But it is Iowa.

Though mentally, I'm in Confusion! XD


YAY!!!  The mystery is solved!  ^v^

Let me officially send greetings to the lovely Aurora-hime of Iowa.  ^____^

Fun Fact:  As a kid, I always considered that my favorite US state PRECISELY because of the pigs.  ^.^

QuoteGenetic problems! Those were the words I was looking for!


Yep, I can concur this was the case. ^^

I mean it's a serious thing... look what a lot of genetic manipulation did to Mutagenix-tan!  @v@
Title: Bella's OS-tan Manga Thread
Post by: Bella on October 31, 2008, 12:32:39 pm
Two more pages!

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QuoteWings are awesome, but they are apparently more trouble than they are worth, hence why Multics-sama does not like having wings. An extra body part to get broken.


That's true. Though in Multics-sama's case, I think she not only disliked the physical aspects of having wings, but also the thought of being so markedly different and complex compared to than those around her.

Quote"The Vintage-tans are coming! Quick! We must hide all of 'those' websites!"
"Well, yeah. A lot of them are only children and should never be subjected to such awful sites!"
"They cannot find out the relation between me and the old relic! What did you think I was talking about?"
"Uhh..."
"OMG! It's Unix-sama!!! "


Uh oh, the Unix-tans would be in for the shock of a lifetime...O_O

It would be sensational to think that somebody powerful like Linux-sama would uncover the Multics/Unix connection, but somehow I see it being figured out by someone...let's say a lot more low-key who wouldn't even give too much worry about it. Like Inferno-chan, who might come across an old photo and say, "Hey! She was related to us, wasn't she?". Course, nobody else would believe something like this XD

QuoteHahaha! That explains it! I thought that Slackware-tan would have been the level-headed type hence why she was originally portrayed as one in zerOSanity but since all the conjectures of her craziness, when she returns in zerOSanity, she will return crazy!


Now now, I think Slack-chan has a certain capacity to be quite level-headed. Difficult, maybe, but level-headed. Giddy? Yes, she's certainly giddy. But not crazy. I would even conjecture that she would try to be respectful around Unix-sama, but still end up making a fool of herself half the time. But set her in a room with one of her favorite Unix-tans, whom she likes but doesn't have half the reverence for...and watch out ^^

QuoteXD

That would make an excellent comic! Hilarious!


Maybe I'll have to make a mini-comic. Or at least fit it into the current comic somehow.


QuoteI thought the corn, more corn and politicians would have been obvious. But it is Iowa.

Though mentally, I'm in Confusion! XD


Woo! Phear my awesome psychic powers, Iowa was the first "I" state I named! :P

I've always liked Iowa, and always made a lot of connections between Iowa and my own home state. Of course, our states both host the first presidential primaries, but it goes deeper...I've always felt they were rather underrated and misunderstood by a lot of people (or thought of in narrow stereotypes).

QuoteSpringOS started in 1993 or 1994, canceled in the mid- to late-1990s.


Hmmm, so maybe Spring-chan would've been around to meet Linux-sama (and see the end of the Unix Wars). I'll have to do a bit more research...

QuoteThen that would remind me a lot of the iTunes excuse for not trying out Linux. ^^'


Speaking of which, my pops (aka Mac Daddy), wants an iPod and is thinking of getting one. Which is ironic, 'cause I'm thinking of getting one, too, so it looks we're each gifting one to the other for Christmas ^^

But when I was at the store (Best Buy), the saleswoman was fairly insistent that iPods couldn't play normal MP3 files-- only MP3 files in some special iTunes format. I was like, wait, you mean I can't just download files from my CDs onto it? And she was like, no, you can, but they have to be converted within iTunes to that format. But Wikipedia says it can play MP3, AAC/M4A, Protected AAC, AIFF and WAV and a few others.

So was this just a case of Best Buy employee confusion? Or should I seriously look into a...less restricted MP3 player...?

Quote"You get a roof over your head, the best homemade food and drink, the finest handmade clothing, the presence of some talented mechanical engineers, plenty of fresh air, gorgeous scenery, ample tranquility, a well-stocked library, good wholesome fun, and companionship of kind, loyal people who work together for a better tomorrow."

"Right, but can I check out MySpace?"

"There... might be some difficulties to..."

"You guys SUCK!!!!! I'm going back to Windoz-- er, Wanderer life."


Ah! This sounds like me with my Internetz in the summer.

QuoteConservativism can mean different things in different countries, but I think I know what you mean. ^^
Not sure if she herself would've been that kind of extremist -- maybe some of the old school Unices perhaps. But their brand of freedom aversion would've been (and still is to some respect) more inherently profit/power-based and hence a lot more dangerous. They're not only incapable of realizing their own inhumanity, but they also have the power and resources to enforce the criminalization of morality, intellectualism and [real] personal freedom with the same level of normality as they would exhibit drinking a glass of water.


But luckily Solaris-san came to some sort of epiphany about what she was doing, and is now at least trying to make up for what she's done in the past. I mean...right...?

QuoteIt's really hard to say, as it could be roads (information superhighway), stores, libraries, books, mail order, phone lines, electricity, etc....

Even with the Binteji Renmei idea above, I still have no clear idea what exactly they'd be scarce of. ^__^

In my game idea it was literally how they communicate, with super ancient modems being like can-and-wire phones, 5400 baud modems like Pony Express services, DSL like telegraphs, high speed modems like an established phone network, T3 lines like wireless networks, etc....

[Yes, the option always existed that the Binteji Renmei could be evolved THAT far, but not without sacrifice. -v-]


Wow, they could've gotten that far? @@

But I think the analogy for the Internet could depend...I certainly have always thought that Wikipedia, in OS-tan terms, would be the world's largest library, with Wikipe-tan as its head librarian. And other encyclopedia/reference sites would be similar. Email services I thought would be analogous to mail services. But yeah, I did figure the internet at its most metaphorical would be like electricity and phone services, and interstates and roads.

QuoteCanadian, eh?
I wish,... I like the country and the coins and the peach juice and the poutin, but sadly I hail not from there. I do (or rather used to) visit it a lot, though. -.-

Le sigh....

Surprised you thought that, though. It's not like I haven't mocked my nationality countless times. Then again, it's not like there's many places left in the world that aren't either bellicose, greedy or just really really 'stoopid'. Hence why it's better to improve the self first and foremost before improving some made up national identity. ¬v¬


Well, I'd come to realize you aren't Canadian. It was when just I first met you that I made this assumption.

QuoteYep, I can concur this was the case. ^^

I mean it's a serious thing... look what a lot of genetic manipulation did to Mutagenix-tan! @v@


Really? I thought Mutagenix-tan just grew up next to a nuclear power plant!
Title: Bella's OS-tan Manga Thread
Post by: C-Chan on October 31, 2008, 10:04:20 pm
*spots Puppy-chan hugging Ubuntu-sama*

Oh that does it for me.... XvX

Sorry I can't do more this evening, but I must succumb to the effects of....

*VOLCANIC SWOONAGE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!*

(http://www.rumela.com/travel/image/paricutin_volcano.jpg)
Title: Bella's OS-tan Manga Thread
Post by: C-Chan on November 01, 2008, 04:12:00 pm
Okay, I've cooled my top (literally).  ^.^

Time for a good ol' fashioned dissection. ^___^

PAGE 1
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PANEL 1: Actually, this is an affliction that affects us all (or basically anyone living in a profit-based economy.  And I see Linux-sama in her younger self also thought the same way....

But since we usually think of things in terms of cost, we can't conceive of the possibility that a grandiose palace could simply be "built".

Obviously some money had to be used over time, especially to purchase rare resource materials and what not.  But with a legion of eager loyal followers, plus a horde of daughters half of which specialize in something useful for construction, it's not easy to imagine that everyone pitched in to build the estate voluntarily.  With nothing asked in return, other than to have the estate be a public trust, freely accessible to everyone at any time.

PANEL 2:  Ze freckles... ^>^
I'm sure the young Linux-sama can't POSSIBLY comprehend that one day she'd be accused of being TOO social, and surrounded by TOO many friends and family.

"Why can't she work all alone so that she doesn't confuse us with choices", they'd say.  ^.^

PANEL 3:  I can't quite put my finger as to why Linux-sama looks certifiably more mature in these panels than her younger self.  Could it be the hair?  the earrings?  The kick-ass dress?  '.'

PANEL 4:  Is that a third eye I see on the random Linux-tan to the right?  Mutagenix?  The second one is a bit hard to distinguish.

I still remember when a lot of these ideas we bounced around were still in the brainstorming phase.  I'm excited, but still astonished, that I'm seeing all of this unfold before me in a comic.  We said before that Linux-sama would be at the crossroads as far as ending her journey to save people now, or continue on her journey to see what unfolds for the future.  The presentation of that idea is better than expected.  ^^

PANEL 5:  Trying real hard not to Volcanic Swoon here.  ^.^
Definitely wins the prize for BEST PANEL EVER on this set.  The action lines on Puppy-chan's tail definitely give it a wagging-turny feel that I think you were aiming for.

The girl behind Ubuntu-sama is Slackware-tan again, right?  ^^


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PANEL 1:  Freckles.... Nekomimi.... *drools* @v@

PANEL 2:  The nose on Linux-sama here looks a little more longish than is usual in your style.  Best to be careful about that later, else we start nicknaming her Pinnochio.  Kukuku... ^>^

Poor Linux-sama might not understand the gravity of Leopard-chan's words.  If she thinks it's hard now to not help people in need, wait till she's actually in a true seat of power to know what it TRULY means to make HARD decisions that you have to live with the rest of your life.

*stares at VMS-sama and UNIX-sama*  ''

PANEL 3:  I'm guessing "you can use than head for" should be "you can use your head for".  ^____^'

Having Minix-sensei cameo was brilliant,... but seeing her besides Leopard-chan begs the million dollar question.....

...

If Leopard-chan is a catgirl and has ears and a tail, than if Minix-sensei is a racoon girl and has ears already,... shouldn't she also have a racoon tail?  @v@

*laughs at own... joke?*

PANEL 4:  Funny you chose to translate "teacher".  ^__^
It's been a couple of panels since I've seen Linux-sama so happy and energetic.  *squeals*  ^.^

Neat text bubble, btw!

PANEL 5:  Fufufu... Minix-sensei might be wise, but she's not as omnipotent as her mother.  No doubt she doesn't know of Leopard-chan's time lapse experiment.  ^__^

In any event, like with Aurora's comics, it's always fantastic to see so much OS-tan diversity in your works.  It gives the opportunity to show all kinds of character interactions we would have never thought of (or dared to think of).

Great work as usual!   ^__^

Quote
It would be sensational to think that somebody powerful like Linux-sama would uncover the Multics/Unix connection, but somehow I see it being figured out by someone...let's say a lot more low-key who wouldn't even give too much worry about it. Like Inferno-chan, who might come across an old photo and say, "Hey! She was related to us, wasn't she?". Course, nobody else would believe something like this XD


Fufufu!  More so when you consider that, in Inferno-chan's hands, the photo would only be visible for a few seconds before it accidentally goes up in flames and melts.  And then where's the proof?  ^__________^

QuoteI would even conjecture that she would try to be respectful around Unix-sama, but still end up making a fool of herself half the time. But set her in a room with one of her favorite Unix-tans, whom she likes but doesn't have half the reverence for...and watch out ^^


Am I to believe that someone like, say, HP-UX-sama has to use a CROWBAR to pry Slack-chan off of her?  ^____^;

Quote
But when I was at the store (Best Buy), the saleswoman was fairly insistent that iPods couldn't play normal MP3 files-- only MP3 files in some special iTunes format. I was like, wait, you mean I can't just download files from my CDs onto it? And she was like, no, you can, but they have to be converted within iTunes to that format. But Wikipedia says it can play MP3, AAC/M4A, Protected AAC, AIFF and WAV and a few others.

So was this just a case of Best Buy employee confusion? Or should I seriously look into a...less restricted MP3 player...?


That a trick question?  ^____^
Of course it's confusion, they're Worst Buy people.  ^v^'

If you needed iTunes to convert MP3's into some super-special MP3 file format, programs like Audacity and Gtkpod that can upload and sync music to your iPod from Linux would be useless.  ^.^

In addition to that, my brother who also owns an iBook and an iPod regularly uploads and listens to a ton of old MP3 files he had lying around from his old Windows PC days, and they play great.

Admittedly, it's on an older hard drive model -- if this weird MP3 rule has something to do with one of the upcoming iPod models (or the iPhone/iTouch), then screw them and stick with older, tried-and-true iPod models.

Then again, I'll ALWAYS recommend you look for a less restricted MP3 player to begin with, although I will admit that nowadays that's a lot tougher than it sounds.  ^^;

Quote
But luckily Solaris-san came to some sort of epiphany about what she was doing, and is now at least trying to make up for what she's done in the past. I mean...right...?


Well... as the ol' OS-tan adage goes....

"The Proof is in the License."  ^________^'

QuoteWow, they could've gotten that far? @@


After seeing Gurren Laggann, I think the Binteji Renmei would have been no different.  They start off small, simple and low-tech, but thanks to a combination of newfound open-mindedness AND a little "borrowing" and decimination of preexisting advanced technology, they would have been able to evolve into modern technology very quickly.

But since they're all OLD, the cute thing was that all the modern technology would have looked distinctly antiquated, almost like visions of the future back in the 19th and early 20th century.

Instead of building jet planes, they would have branched off into giant airships, railway cities, cannonball space launches, and other steam-punk like inventions.  ^^

QuoteBut I think the analogy for the Internet could depend...I certainly have always thought that Wikipedia, in OS-tan terms, would be the world's largest library, with Wikipe-tan as its head librarian. And other encyclopedia/reference sites would be similar. Email services I thought would be analogous to mail services.


Ah yes, nearly forgot about Wikipe-tan, Thunderbird-tan, Outlook-tan and AOL-tan. ^__^

Quote
Well, I'd come to realize you aren't Canadian. It was when just I first met you that I made this assumption.


*squeals with delight*  ^.^

Certainly puts a whole new spin on "Canadian Bacon", huh?  ^___^
Title: Bella's OS-tan Manga Thread
Post by: Bella on November 04, 2008, 11:17:39 am
Ehm...I'll get back to all these replied later. Have the rest of the chapter now.

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...we finally see how Leo-chan's offer of candy comes into play....
Title: Bella's OS-tan Manga Thread
Post by: Nuker on November 04, 2008, 03:37:16 pm
Leopard-san did it! Now I wonder: when Linux-tan gets older, will she tell Leopard-tan that she has to go back in time and actually help her so that what happened in the past actually happens?

Temporal loops are confusing...
Title: Bella's OS-tan Manga Thread
Post by: Bella on November 08, 2008, 01:43:56 am
QuoteObviously some money had to be used over time, especially to purchase rare resource materials and what not. But with a legion of eager loyal followers, plus a horde of daughters half of which specialize in something useful for construction, it's not easy to imagine that everyone pitched in to build the estate voluntarily. With nothing asked in return, other than to have the estate be a public trust, freely accessible to everyone at any time.


I, actually, assumed that this estate was located smack dab in the middle of Unix Country, and was either bought off of the Unixen or conquered by the Linuxes. Just as a way of symbolizing how Linux, perhaps, less than courteously took over a lot of old Unix market share.

Naturally the surrounding Unixen would be a bit pissed by this, but there's not a thing they can do, because Unix-sama guaranteed their peace and safety there ^^

QuotePANEL 3: I can't quite put my finger as to why Linux-sama looks certifiably more mature in these panels than her younger self. Could it be the hair? the earrings? The kick-ass dress? '.'


Maybe it's because this is a more serious scene...? I seem to have a way of making more serious characters look mature, and happier ones look a great deal younger...

QuotePANEL 4: Is that a third eye I see on the random Linux-tan to the right? Mutagenix? The second one is a bit hard to distinguish.

I still remember when a lot of these ideas we bounced around were still in the brainstorming phase. I'm excited, but still astonished, that I'm seeing all of this unfold before me in a comic. We said before that Linux-sama would be at the crossroads as far as ending her journey to save people now, or continue on her journey to see what unfolds for the future. The presentation of that idea is better than expected. ^^


Um...those aren't random Linux-tans...that's actually AIX and Solaris-san. I imagine this mansion isn't just open to Linux-tans, and that the more...Open source sympathetic Unixen would visit every once and awhile. AIX-tan gets along rather well with the Linuxes, and Solaris-san is probably there to either raid Linux-sama's closet, or study the Linuxes in their natal habitat. To get a better idea as to how she can blend in.  

And yeah, I'm glad I've gotten this far with this comic, too. I just wonder where it will (or won't) go now...

QuotePANEL 5: Trying real hard not to Volcanic Swoon here. ^.^
Definitely wins the prize for BEST PANEL EVER on this set. The action lines on Puppy-chan's tail definitely give it a wagging-turny feel that I think you were aiming for.

The girl behind Ubuntu-sama is Slackware-tan again, right? ^^


Thank you! But that is Debian-sama next to Ubuntu-san :3


QuotePAGE 2
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PANEL 2: The nose on Linux-sama here looks a little more longish than is usual in your style. Best to be careful about that later, else we start nicknaming her Pinnochio. Kukuku... ^>^

Poor Linux-sama might not understand the gravity of Leopard-chan's words. If she thinks it's hard now to not help people in need, wait till she's actually in a true seat of power to know what it TRULY means to make HARD decisions that you have to live with the rest of your life.

*stares at VMS-sama and UNIX-sama* ''


Good point...I do wonder what course of action Linux-sama might take with some of her daughters who are effectively working with the enemy, like SuSE and Xandros-tan. I've always thought of Linux-sama as the rather pacific type who would want nothing more than for her children to be happy... but then again, I don't see her being sympathetic to those who stray from her ideals of freedom or put the family in jeopardy. : \

QuotePANEL 3: I'm guessing "you can use than head for" should be "you can use your head for". ^____^'

Having Minix-sensei cameo was brilliant,... but seeing her besides Leopard-chan begs the million dollar question.....

...

If Leopard-chan is a catgirl and has ears and a tail, than if Minix-sensei is a racoon girl and has ears already,... shouldn't she also have a racoon tail? @v@

*laughs at own... joke?*


Well, twas supposed to be "...use that head for...". Typo on my part.

As for the lack of a 'coon tail, I remember Kami-Tux's design of Minix-sensei was notably lacking a tail (cause she thought it would be a bit creepy). Even though I've changed a lot of things about Minix-sensei's design, I've always kept her without a tail for some odd reason... '__'

QuotePANEL 5: Fufufu... Minix-sensei might be wise, but she's not as omnipotent as her mother. No doubt she doesn't know of Leopard-chan's time lapse experiment. ^__^


Wait wut...Minix-sensei has a mother?

QuoteFufufu! More so when you consider that, in Inferno-chan's hands, the photo would only be visible for a few seconds before it accidentally goes up in flames and melts. And then where's the proof? ^__________^


Ha. ha. ha.

QuoteAm I to believe that someone like, say, HP-UX-sama has to use a CROWBAR to pry Slack-chan off of her? ^____^;


Hah! A crowbar wouldn't work...only shouting "behind you! Unix-sama!" and running as fast as possible would be a good escape plan.


QuoteThat a trick question? ^____^
Of course it's confusion, they're Worst Buy people. ^v^'

If you needed iTunes to convert MP3's into some super-special MP3 file format, programs like Audacity and Gtkpod that can upload and sync music to your iPod from Linux would be useless. ^.^

In addition to that, my brother who also owns an iBook and an iPod regularly uploads and listens to a ton of old MP3 files he had lying around from his old Windows PC days, and they play great.

Admittedly, it's on an older hard drive model -- if this weird MP3 rule has something to do with one of the upcoming iPod models (or the iPhone/iTouch), then screw them and stick with older, tried-and-true iPod models.

Then again, I'll ALWAYS recommend you look for a less restricted MP3 player to begin with, although I will admit that nowadays that's a lot tougher than it sounds. ^^;


Well, I found some Sony Walkman 2GB MP3 players (on sale), and it looks like we're getting those. They seem pretty good for the money...

Quote"The Proof is in the License." ^________^'


That would be the Common Development and Distribution license, right?


QuoteAfter seeing Gurren Laggann, I think the Binteji Renmei would have been no different. They start off small, simple and low-tech, but thanks to a combination of newfound open-mindedness AND a little "borrowing" and decimination of preexisting advanced technology, they would have been able to evolve into modern technology very quickly.

But since they're all OLD, the cute thing was that all the modern technology would have looked distinctly antiquated, almost like visions of the future back in the 19th and early 20th century.

Instead of building jet planes, they would have branched off into giant airships, railway cities, cannonball space launches, and other steam-punk like inventions. ^^


Wow...I always thought of the Vintage-tans as a bunch of farmers and stuff, living out in the middle of nowhere, with almost no technology to speak of (except for maybe the Commodore-tans), but this puts a different perspective on it...

Plus, I never would have compared the Binteji Renmei's situation to that of Gurren Laggan. It makes me beg the question...

...is it to late to do a Miggy-cosplaying-as-Yoko-sama fanservice-palooza picture? @@

Quote*squeals with delight* ^.^

Certainly puts a whole new spin on "Canadian Bacon", huh? ^___^


*hokey Canadian accent*

Oh, yes it does, eh!

QuoteLeopard-san did it! Now I wonder: when Linux-tan gets older, will she tell Leopard-tan that she has to go back in time and actually help her so that what happened in the past actually happens?

Temporal loops are confusing...


Yeah, time paradoxes kinda thwarted any time-travel stories I tried to come up with...I guess I tried not to think about it for this comic...

But no, I don't suppose Linux-sama sent Leo-san back in time. For the sake of keeping my head from exploding. ^^'
Title: Bella's OS-tan Manga Thread
Post by: C-Chan on November 08, 2008, 02:39:55 am
*salivates*

So very happy to see another fine round of chapters!  ^v^

PANEL 1:  Lesse... we have....

Yellow Dog Linux-tan
Puppy Linux-tan
Mandriva-sama [maybe?]
PClinuxOS-sama [yay!  ^.^]

It's so wonderful to see all these Linux-tans have fun.  Really does make me eager to work on my Concentration Game, since it'll provide a perfect medium to see them all in action (and memorize their name/appearance to boot!).  ^__^

PANEL 2/3:  Actually,... I'm a bit confused on these panels.  You've been working on a left to right order, but it almost seems like it's right to left in this shot.  Part of the confusion is that I'm not sure where the larger text bubble (the one that begins with "There are so many thing...") is paired to.  

Barring that, though, still excellent displays of architecture and subtle lighting, and of course your many courses of Linux-sama cuteness enhancement.

PANEL 4/5:  Definitely your finest lighting/shading work to date -- the rich lighting on the pleading Linux-sama is [dare I say] almost movie quality.  ^v^

Your comics greatest strength is definitely in its charismatic attenton to detail such as this, among of course many other factors!  ^v^

PANEL 6:  Train again.
Surprising how well Inkscape effects have integrated beautifully in this comic.

PANELS 9/10:  Again, a small throwback to our little "astral time travel discussion"... me likey.  ^.^

I feel I kinda like the profile closeup shots the most -- it's both cool and artsy. ^^

PANEL 13:  *squeals*  She does look kinda cute when she scowls.  ^^
With that expression + the scowl + the bowl hair,... she reminds me just a tad of Lafiel from the Banner of the Stars series.  ^___^

PANEL 15:  The hand is rendered with extreme detail here -- is that based off a real-life reference shot?  I would have guessed yours, but... you told me once before you have freakishly narrow fingers, so now I'm stuck with the impression they'd be somewhat twig-like.  ^__^;

PANEL 16/17:  Couldn't think of a better way to wrap up the chapter!  ^v^

How many times do I have to say "This Comic is Fantastic!!"?  Regardless, I never tire from saying that!  It's Christmas every day you post up even a few pages of your masterpiece!  ^o^

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I, actually, assumed that this estate was located smack dab in the middle of Unix Country, and was either bought off of the Unixen or conquered by the Linuxes. Just as a way of symbolizing how Linux, perhaps, less than courteously took over a lot of old Unix market share.

Naturally the surrounding Unixen would be a bit pissed by this, but there's not a thing they can do, because Unix-sama guaranteed their peace and safety there ^^


Fufufu!  That works for me too.  ^__^
But the Linuxen being Linuxen, I'm sure they made that public property too -- so not only are a bunch of impudent Linux-tans invading their turf so to speak, but they're *GASP* giving plebians access to it too!!

The nerve of those girls.  ^^'

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Um...those aren't random Linux-tans...that's actually AIX and Solaris-san. I imagine this mansion isn't just open to Linux-tans, and that the more...Open source sympathetic Unixen would visit every once and awhile. AIX-tan gets along rather well with the Linuxes, and Solaris-san is probably there to either raid Linux-sama's closet, or study the Linuxes in their natal habitat. To get a better idea as to how she can blend in.


Oh wow, I was WAY off the mark in those instances.  In fairness, I needz my Color to really make out some characters.  -v-

QuoteAnd yeah, I'm glad I've gotten this far with this comic, too. I just wonder where it will (or won't) go now...


I'm sorry.  ;__;

Let me PM you about his once I'm rested.  (kinda falling asleep typing this... probably committing litss pf ettorz...)

QuoteThank you! But that is Debian-sama next to Ubuntu-san :3


The suckage, it doth crush me!  >>>v<<<

It's an interesting cameo -- we really don't see her around very often at all.  ^.^

QuoteWait wut...Minix-sensei has a mother?


Oh right... Minix-sensei is only a Unix-like.

Tell you what....  Do yourself a favor and tune out C-chan's inane ramblings for a while.  With so much stuff on my mind the past few weeks, I think I'm just spewing any silly thing I can think of.... -v-;

*suckage meter breaks*

QuoteWell, I found some Sony Walkman 2GB MP3 players (on sale), and it looks like we're getting those. They seem pretty good for the money...


On the other hand... is 2gigs going to be enough?  ''

I thought so too at one point, but.... you know.... collections just.... kinda.... grow.  ^^'

QuoteThat would be the Common Development and Distribution license, right?


Correct!  And as I also always say:  "The Proof is in the Puddin'"  ^.^

http://opensolaris.org/os/licensing/opensolaris_license/

QuoteWow...I always thought of the Vintage-tans as a bunch of farmers and stuff, living out in the middle of nowhere, with almost no technology to speak of (except for maybe the Commodore-tans), but this puts a different perspective on it...


Well that really only applied to the game world I envisioned -- you're never gonna see the vintage-tans grow large enough to crush the Windows-tans or dethrown the Unixen ever.  -v-

But in the OS-tan universe they certainly have that potential at least.  Certainly the more technical-minded ones (like C64-chan) have scrapbooks full of old invention ideas they'd love to build... if only they had the money.  (cause at least time they have plenty of)

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Plus, I never would have compared the Binteji Renmei's situation to that of Gurren Laggan. It makes me beg the question...

...is it to late to do a Miggy-cosplaying-as-Yoko-sama fanservice-palooza picture? @@


Sure!  ^v^
Just as long as you have my bloodtype -- I might need a few transfusions from the inevitable nosebleeds.  ^.^;

You might even consider cameoing someone like Vi-kun as Simon.  -v-

================================

Okay,... my piggy stamina can hold out no more....

G'night.  ^_________^

*flops on EeePC*

...

*snore*  -.- Zzzzz
Title: Bella's OS-tan Manga Thread
Post by: Bella on November 08, 2008, 08:48:52 pm
QuotePANEL 1: Lesse... we have....

Yellow Dog Linux-tan
Puppy Linux-tan
Mandriva-sama [maybe?]
PClinuxOS-sama [yay! ^.^]

It's so wonderful to see all these Linux-tans have fun. Really does make me eager to work on my Concentration Game, since it'll provide a perfect medium to see them all in action (and memorize their name/appearance to boot!). ^__^


Right, right, right and....right! :P

I'm looking forward to where you might go with this game, too :3

QuotePANEL 2/3: Actually,... I'm a bit confused on these panels. You've been working on a left to right order, but it almost seems like it's right to left in this shot. Part of the confusion is that I'm not sure where the larger text bubble (the one that begins with "There are so many thing...") is paired to.

Barring that, though, still excellent displays of architecture and subtle lighting, and of course your many courses of Linux-sama cuteness enhancement.


Yeah, the text bubbles didn't jive quite right with me, either...I think I kinda ran out of space. (I really should work on making more space in the panels).

QuotePANEL 4/5: Definitely your finest lighting/shading work to date -- the rich lighting on the pleading Linux-sama is [dare I say] almost movie quality. ^v^

Your comics greatest strength is definitely in its charismatic attenton to detail such as this, among of course many other factors! ^v^


I had a lot of fun in Inkscape with the shading on this one...

QuotePANELS 9/10: Again, a small throwback to our little "astral time travel discussion"... me likey. ^.^

I feel I kinda like the profile closeup shots the most -- it's both cool and artsy. ^^


I like that profile shot, as well. I was wondering how it would work out...having so many panels with featuring only one character...but I tried to switch up the "camera angles" and make it interesting.

QuotePANEL 13: *squeals* She does look kinda cute when she scowls. ^^
With that expression + the scowl + the bowl hair,... she reminds me just a tad of Lafiel from the Banner of the Stars series. ^___^


Get a load of the bowl-job, Marge!

(http://www.fantascienza.com/delos/delos52/sigates.jpg)

I couldn't resitst....

*googles Lafiel*

*stares at Linuxs-sama*

Well...yeah...a little...resemblance...

QuotePANEL 15: The hand is rendered with extreme detail here -- is that based off a real-life reference shot? I would have guessed yours, but... you told me once before you have freakishly narrow fingers, so now I'm stuck with the impression they'd be somewhat twig-like. ^__^;


Yeah, I think CLAMP may have used reference shots of my hands for their characters. Bwahaha.

I actually sort of freehanded this, though...fists and semi-fists aren't that difficult to draw...

QuotePANEL 16/17: Couldn't think of a better way to wrap up the chapter! ^v^

How many times do I have to say "This Comic is Fantastic!!"? Regardless, I never tire from saying that! It's Christmas every day you post up even a few pages of your masterpiece! ^o^


Thank you so much! ^^

QuoteFufufu! That works for me too. ^__^
But the Linuxen being Linuxen, I'm sure they made that public property too -- so not only are a bunch of impudent Linux-tans invading their turf so to speak, but they're *GASP* giving plebians access to it too!!

The nerve of those girls. ^^'


Haha! So you're saying, anyone could invite themselves over to diner?

QuoteI'm sorry. ;__;

Let me PM you about his once I'm rested. (kinda falling asleep typing this... probably committing litss pf ettorz...)


Don't be sorry!

QuoteThe suckage, it doth crush me! >>>v<<<

It's an interesting cameo -- we really don't see her around very often at all. ^.^


Yeah, I like Debian-san (aka the Great Ubuntu Usurperess XD)-- we really should see more of her.

QuoteOh right... Minix-sensei is only a Unix-like.

Tell you what.... Do yourself a favor and tune out C-chan's inane ramblings for a while. With so much stuff on my mind the past few weeks, I think I'm just spewing any silly thing I can think of.... -v-;

*suckage meter breaks*


Oh, I thought you knew some great Linux guru secret I didn't about Minix's heritage. No worry, Minix-sensei is still a Unixen in theory, and that's what counts. :)

QuoteOn the other hand... is 2gigs going to be enough? ''

I thought so too at one point, but.... you know.... collections just.... kinda.... grow. ^^'


Well...it was $49. And I'll probably use it while snowboarding, so I'll be surprised if it makes it through the year without getting fallen on, sat on, or skied over ^^;

I had one helluva time getting files on the thing...for one thing, it insisted I install WMP 11. Yeah, not gonna happen. No really, I don't have XP SP2, I couldn't possibly install it. And the so-called file transfer program didn't seem to work.

Finally, I ended up opening the music file in the Walkman and dragging my MP3s in. That seemed to work.

QuoteSure! ^v^
Just as long as you have my bloodtype -- I might need a few transfusions from the inevitable nosebleeds. ^.^;

You might even consider cameoing someone like Vi-kun as Simon. -v-


Yes. That would be pure win! XD

QuoteOkay,... my piggy stamina can hold out no more....

G'night. ^_________^

*flops on EeePC*

...

*snore* -.- Zzzzz


On one hand, you seem to type better than I do with a full night's (running into a partial day's) rest. On the other, I do tend to get very strange if I don't get my sleep...either going into the passive, blank, universally agreeable "living dead mode", or the considerably scarier "postal mode" XD
Title: Bella's OS-tan Manga Thread
Post by: C-Chan on November 09, 2008, 03:45:50 am
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Right, right, right and....right! :P

I'm looking forward to where you might go with this game, too :3


Believe me I'm PSYCHED!!!  ^v^

Actually, had a bit of a scary experience last week where I tried to program in PyQT4 all by myself (with tutorials or cheat sheets or anything), and pretty much got nowhere.  All those tutorials and I still couldn't remember stuff off bat.

I learned VBA and Bash scripting by practicing it non-stop for days on end, so I've decided to stop tutorials and start programming... anything... just to get the practice going.  Anything I don't know, I copy and paste from one of the tutorial files, "dissect" it (commenting the code so I get used to what the commands mean), and then modify it to fit my needs.

It's all about practice and I definitely want to do that more often.  ^^

But right now, though, I'm focusing all my attention in artwork, to ensure the most graceful exit I've ever done.  ^___^

QuoteGet a load of the bowl-job, Marge!



I couldn't resitst....


GAAAAAH!!!  It's Gates!!!  Trying to buy out Homer's "internet" business.  ^^;

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*googles Lafiel*

*stares at Linuxs-sama*

Well...yeah...a little...resemblance...


Yeah, yeah, I know, it's only marginal.  ^^
Actually, I already considered DOS/V-tan to be best suited for a Lafiel archtype.  You'll remember how nicely that worked out in the Zerosanity XMAS panel featuring her. ^^

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Yeah, I think CLAMP may have used reference shots of my hands for their characters. Bwahaha.


Mwahahaha!!  ^v^
Funny though... they ARE very thin, yes, but also very very long.  `v'

QuoteHaha! So you're saying, anyone could invite themselves over to diner?


Just as long as they make sure that, should they choose to walk out with some food to resell or redistribute, they provide the source recipe along with it.  ^___^

Begs a new meaning to the phrase "Open Sauce", don't it?  ^.^

QuoteYeah, I like Debian-san (aka the Great Ubuntu Usurperess XD)-- we really should see more of her.


Uh-oh,... are those pitchforks and torches I see making their way towards Bella-hime?  ^____^;

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Well...it was $49. And I'll probably use it while snowboarding, so I'll be surprised if it makes it through the year without getting fallen on, sat on, or skied over ^^;


Awesome!  Snowboarding sounds like it's tons of fun.  ^.^
But you must've done that for a long time, since you're willing to listen to music while you do so.  ^^

I still wouldn't dare try that while biking. ^^;

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I had one helluva time getting files on the thing...for one thing, it insisted I install WMP 11. Yeah, not gonna happen. No really, I don't have XP SP2, I couldn't possibly install it. And the so-called file transfer program didn't seem to work.

Finally, I ended up opening the music file in the Walkman and dragging my MP3s in. That seemed to work.


Well it is a Sony after all.  Very friendly to DRM-enabled software, and not much to anything else.  ^^;

I doubt it will work, but be sure to check the manual for any indication of a mode-switcher -- you'll want your PC to treat the player like a USB Storage Device, NOT a Media Player (or else it'll become WMP-bait).  ^^;

QuoteYes. That would be pure win! XD


*squeels with absolute EXTREME delight*  >>>v<<<<

And did I forget to mention they'd need a Boota too?  *clear throat*  ^___^

And... um... I'm not picky as to where I make my home in... *blushes*  ^///^

(http://hontouni.com/souomou/images/tgtpgl/tgtpgl13_ec1S.jpg)

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On one hand, you seem to type better than I do with a full night's (running into a partial day's) rest. On the other, I do tend to get very strange if I don't get my sleep...either going into the passive, blank, universally agreeable "living dead mode", or the considerably scarier "postal mode" XD


Oh, I have my own C-chan equivalents of those as well.

Instead of Living Dead Mode, I go into "Drunken Stupor" mode, and once in a blue moon, after a few cups of embellished orange juice, iced tea, and some weird variations of pina colada, it might actually be literal.  ^^;

And instead of Postal Mode, I enter the absolutely terrifying state of Piggy Madness Syndrome.  Take my word for it -- there's nothing like the sight of a rampaging mini pig to strike ph34r in the hearts of men....

...although admittedly just men.  Don't know why, but don't mind not knowing.  ^///^

(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2038/1636618888_92daa72837_m.jpg)
Title: Bella's OS-tan Manga Thread
Post by: Bella on November 09, 2008, 11:00:04 pm
QuoteBelieve me I'm PSYCHED!!! ^v^

Actually, had a bit of a scary experience last week where I tried to program in PyQT4 all by myself (with tutorials or cheat sheets or anything), and pretty much got nowhere. All those tutorials and I still couldn't remember stuff off bat.

I learned VBA and Bash scripting by practicing it non-stop for days on end, so I've decided to stop tutorials and start programming... anything... just to get the practice going. Anything I don't know, I copy and paste from one of the tutorial files, "dissect" it (commenting the code so I get used to what the commands mean), and then modify it to fit my needs.

It's all about practice and I definitely want to do that more often. ^^

But right now, though, I'm focusing all my attention in artwork, to ensure the most graceful exit I've ever done. ^___^


I admire the sort of patience and memory it must take to teach yourself to program! I would never have that kind of patience, not in a million years...

...okay, not for anything useful.

QuoteGAAAAAH!!! It's Gates!!! Trying to buy out Homer's "internet" business. ^^;


Best. Episode. Ever. I actually found a few clips of that episode...I have to say my favorite line is (Gates:) "Do you think I got rich writing a bunch of checks?"

...no, you got rich by raiding a lot of competitors' code...

(http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s320/BellasOS-tans/untitledj-1.jpg)

...and of course, scare tactics.

(http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s320/BellasOS-tans/Windowsvistamarketing.jpg)

QuoteMwahahaha!! ^v^
Funny though... they ARE very thin, yes, but also very very long. `v'


Oh no problem there...a bizarre family trait is "freakishly long limbs". No really. My brother always complains about sleeves being to short. I prefer to think of it as "sleek", though, not "freaky" XD

QuoteJust as long as they make sure that, should they choose to walk out with some food to resell or redistribute, they provide the source recipe along with it. ^___^

Begs a new meaning to the phrase "Open Sauce", don't it? ^.^


Bwhaha...

QuoteUh-oh,... are those pitchforks and torches I see making their way towards Bella-hime? ^____^;


*runs*

Whaaaaaa! I still love you Ubuntu-san...but I love your mother, too!!!!

*runs*

QuoteAwesome! Snowboarding sounds like it's tons of fun. ^.^
But you must've done that for a long time, since you're willing to listen to music while you do so. ^^

I still wouldn't dare try that while biking. ^^;


Snowboarding, a friend one explained to me, is very hard to pick up, but easy to accelerate in (whereas skiing is intuivtive at first, but considerably more difficult to master). I will vouch it is initially very difficult, frustraiting, and occasionally painful-- especially without having an experienced instructor. I certainly couldn't go more than ten feet without toppling over until I signed up for lessons. ^///^

I guess a lot of it is going against your instincts...for one thing, it's not logical going sideways down a hill, and the ski lifts aren't very forgiving to mistakes. In most sports, speed is something you gain with experience, but speed (and a steep enough slope to produce it) is needed to actually archive balance and control (much like riding a bike). Also like biking, it's something that comes very naturally eventually...you don't forget it. I didn't go snowboarding for a whole year and was afraid I would've "forgotten" how to...but on the first run of the new season, I got out there and was actually BETTER than the year before!

But I digress. Half of the people out there already have MP3 players...certainly makes for some peaceful, quiet trips up the mountain in the gondola. Always a weird situation that, being packed in a tiny car with three other strangers.

QuoteWell it is a Sony after all. Very friendly to DRM-enabled software, and not much to anything else. ^^;

I doubt it will work, but be sure to check the manual for any indication of a mode-switcher -- you'll want your PC to treat the player like a USB Storage Device, NOT a Media Player (or else it'll become WMP-bait). ^^;


Done and done. Windows recognizes it as nothing BUT a storage device.

Quote*squeels with absolute EXTREME delight* >>>v<<<<

And did I forget to mention they'd need a Boota too? *clear throat* ^___^

And... um... I'm not picky as to where I make my home in... *blushes* ^///^


You...you...PIG!!! ^v^

I probably would've been able to post the sketch I did, had I not gotten carried away with that other picture...

QuoteOh, I have my own C-chan equivalents of those as well.

Instead of Living Dead Mode, I go into "Drunken Stupor" mode, and once in a blue moon, after a few cups of embellished orange juice, iced tea, and some weird variations of pina colada, it might actually be literal. ^^;

And instead of Postal Mode, I enter the absolutely terrifying state of Piggy Madness Syndrome. Take my word for it -- there's nothing like the sight of a rampaging mini pig to strike ph34r in the hearts of men....

...although admittedly just men. Don't know why, but don't mind not knowing. ^///^


Oh, I know somebody who loves drunken stupor mode. Usually is literal in his case. Probably better than his "the world is out to get me!" mode, though that's sometimes funnier XD

And in the spirit of posting pigs-with-cute-girls...

(http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s320/BellasOS-tans/1225102499676.jpg)

...You do like PSPs, right? :P
Title: Bella's OS-tan Manga Thread
Post by: C-Chan on November 10, 2008, 06:05:29 pm
Quote...no, you got rich by raiding a lot of competitors' code...


...and of course, scare tactics.


Instant Lolz.  Just add water.  ^.^

Quote*runs*

Whaaaaaa! I still love you Ubuntu-san...but I love your mother, too!!!!

*runs*


.....@.@

Now you have to watch clannad -- there's a freakishly funny episode that fits that like a glove.  ^^

QuoteYou...you...PIG!!! ^v^

I probably would've been able to post the sketch I did, had I not gotten carried away with that other picture...


GYAAAAAH!!!  She's working on it!!!!  ^v^

*piggy happy dance*

QuoteAnd in the spirit of posting pigs-with-cute-girls...



...You do like PSPs, right? :P


I can start.  ^___^

*coos*  ^.^
Title: Bella's OS-tan Manga Thread
Post by: Bella on November 15, 2008, 01:13:17 pm
So....I've been thinking of how I can end this comic....quicker than I wanted to originally...

Now, I can't say I'll do this or not. I don't even know it I'll finish it, but I'd like to finish a comic for once in my life. And it would be nice to have a few options on the table.

I've been thinking about dropping chapter 4, and skipping about one and a half, two years into the future. Perhaps I'll just hint at that chapter by showing Linux-sama leaving the GNU people to go off on her own. She sets out to visit her daughters, a very young Slackware (then called SLS)-chan and Yggdrasil-chan, who're being taken care of by Minix-sensei.
Flashing to the Unix-tan's HQ, we see that Unixen have caught word that Linux-sama has left the GNU people. Solaris-san believes this would be a prime opportunity to capture her...after all, she's already developed a lot of powers, and if they wait any longer she might get too powerful to bring in easily. Unix-sama gives the okay, but warns her daughter not to harm Linux-sama in any way because she..."wants the last say of what happens to her." So Solaris-san and some other random Unix-tan (???) set out with their troops (I don't know what in, maybe old-timey cars or jeeps or something. I'm up to suggestions).

Going back to Linux-sama, we see her hanging out with her two daughters. This might be a few more days in the future. Maybe as a bit of humor I'll include that little segment about the "OS-tan birds and bees talk", which might also explain how she could have two children without ever having seen them before.
Going back to the Unix-tans, we see they've found the hideout and are moving in. They quite easily take the home. She tells a very upset Minix-sensei to leave with her children. Hesitantly she does so, leading to the confrontation between Solaris-san and Linux-sama, it which they argue over how dangerous she actually is. Solaris-san states that Linux-sama's open sourcery isn't as threatening as her ability to upset the status quo, and that's what really scares them. Linux-sama comes up with a rather spirited retort to this; but her backtalk backfires, and she ends up being knocked out by Solaris-san's memory/emotional manipulation powers (perhaps inadvertently).

Then it would move onto the next chapter, involving a long flashback centered Unix-sama and GECOS-san...it would be pretty much the same as was proposed before.
Title: Bella's OS-tan Manga Thread
Post by: Aurora Borealis on November 15, 2008, 02:33:37 pm
I've never finished a comic in my life either (although I am just two pages away from finishing the first OS-tan Flashbackstory Chronicles story) so I can relate to your problem.

Though I can't remember what chapter 4 was supposed to be like in your current comic, your new proposed ideas and simplification sound very effective and still faithful to your earlier storyline ideas (i.e: Capturing Linux-sama, face-off against Solaris-san, and Unix-sama wanting the last say of what happens to Linux-sama). I especially like the part where Linux-sama will visit Minix-sensei, Slackware-chan and Yggdrasil-chan, and including some lulz!

Linux-sama is really upsetting the status quo by being a Unix-like with powerful open sorcery! Which makes me wonder... Did the Unices all dislike the Unix-likes? (and does this conflict with my proposed backstory for QNX-tan, who although is a Unix-like, still did medical relief efforts during the Unix Wars?)
Title: Bella's OS-tan Manga Thread
Post by: C-Chan on November 16, 2008, 01:15:20 am
QuoteSo....I've been thinking of how I can end this comic....quicker than I wanted to originally...

Now, I can't say I'll do this or not. I don't even know it I'll finish it, but I'd like to finish a comic for once in my life. And it would be nice to have a few options on the table.


I would agree to end it as quickly as originally intended, really more to fight against what you say is your natural inclincation to fizzle out in each project.  If you're done and you're still psyched, you can always go back to beef it up more (add in the remaining chapters, etc).

But if you agree to my proposition, I think you'll have a little less pressure in doing so, and perhaps a little more help in getting it realized.  ^^

Quote
I've been thinking about dropping chapter 4, and skipping about one and a half, two years into the future. Perhaps I'll just hint at that chapter by showing Linux-sama leaving the GNU people to go off on her own. She sets out to visit her daughters, a very young Slackware (then called SLS)-chan and Yggdrasil-chan, who're being taken care of by Minix-sensei.


Not sure how much you had that scene in your mind, but I've always drawn a blank with it myself.  I would imagine perhaps that the chapter could open up with Linux-sama using her open sourcery very quickly to help someone on the road, followed by a brief 2-3 panel flashback of her with the GNU people, describing what they offered to her, followed in turn by the remainder of the chapter you described above.  More screen time with the other girls is definitely much desired.  ^^

QuoteFlashing to the Unix-tan's HQ, we see that Unixen have caught word that Linux-sama has left the GNU people. Solaris-san believes this would be a prime opportunity to capture her...after all, she's already developed a lot of powers, and if they wait any longer she might get too powerful to bring in easily. Unix-sama gives the okay, but warns her daughter not to harm Linux-sama in any way because she..."wants the last say of what happens to her." So Solaris-san and some other random Unix-tan (???) set out with their troops (I don't know what in, maybe old-timey cars or jeeps or something. I'm up to suggestions).


I'm wondering if instead of catching word of her leaving the GNU people, they instead catch word of her exploits.  After all, the GNU people have had their hands in virtually everything since the mid 80's, but no one ever took them seriously enough to spread their work to the greater masses.  Linux-sama, accidentally, began to do just that.

A while ago I suggested that, given their utilitarian nature, the Unix-tans weaponry would be primarily Russian-inspired.  On the other hand, Solaris-sama (of that era) and many of the other Unix-tans likely would never have agreed to step one foot in a common military vehicle if it killed them, so I'm sure it would have to be something fancier they transported in with.  -v-

I don't think it helps, but we can get to it when the time comes.  -.-

Quote
Going back to Linux-sama, we see her hanging out with her two daughters. This might be a few more days in the future. Maybe as a bit of humor I'll include that little segment about the "OS-tan birds and bees talk", which might also explain how she could have two children without ever having seen them before.


Fufu!  That will be such an adorable scene!  That alone would be worth the price of admission.  ^__^

QuoteGoing back to the Unix-tans, we see they've found the hideout and are moving in. They quite easily take the home. She tells a very upset Minix-sensei to leave with her children. Hesitantly she does so, leading to the confrontation between Solaris-san and Linux-sama, it which they argue over how dangerous she actually is. Solaris-san states that Linux-sama's open sourcery isn't as threatening as her ability to upset the status quo, and that's what really scares them. Linux-sama comes up with a rather spirited retort to this; but her backtalk backfires, and she ends up being knocked out by Solaris-san's memory/emotional manipulation powers (perhaps inadvertently).


I think this sounds like a better scene, since Linux-sama is still relatively weak at this point, but still courageous enough to put herself in danger to protect her daughters.  Plus I think it offers a chance to show Minix-sensei how much she cares for these younglings.

QuoteThen it would move onto the next chapter, involving a long flashback centered Unix-sama and GECOS-san...it would be pretty much the same as was proposed before.


I think this is a good idea, and a fairly plausible way to get the story completed without losing the overall theme.  A perfect example of KISS if I ever saw one.  ^^

QuoteI've never finished a comic in my life either (although I am just two pages away from finishing the first OS-tan Flashbackstory Chronicles story) so I can relate to your problem.


Well loosely-speaking, the Zerosanity Xmas Special is done.  Just not finished the way we wanted it to... can't possibly post this as final when the main characters turn into rice ball dumplings in the last 1/3 of the comic.  ^^;

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Linux-sama is really upsetting the status quo by being a Unix-like with powerful open sorcery! Which makes me wonder... Did the Unices all dislike the Unix-likes? (and does this conflict with my proposed backstory for QNX-tan, who although is a Unix-like, still did medical relief efforts during the Unix Wars?)


I think the pure-blood Unix-tans did dislike the Unix-likes, but in a more racist sense.  They still looked and worked just like them (proprietary OSes), but they were just cheap knockoffs and hence inferior in their minds.  Yet they could still work with them, and as long as they helped maintain the status quo they did very little to them (other than rustle them up every so often).

With Linux-sama it was different, since she represented a viable social change that threatened the very fabric of their existence.  It didn't matter if she was pureblood Unix or a "Like" -- her open sourcery was a threat that had to get squashed somehow.

Resentment to FreeBSD-tan was similar, but not as severe since she kept to herself for the most part.
Title: Bella's OS-tan Manga Thread
Post by: Bella on November 16, 2008, 11:14:15 am
QuoteI've never finished a comic in my life either (although I am just two pages away from finishing the first OS-tan Flashbackstory Chronicles story) so I can relate to your problem.


Then again, you have quite a few comics! You deserve an award just for coming up and drawing so many of your ideas!

QuoteThough I can't remember what chapter 4 was supposed to be like in your current comic, your new proposed ideas and simplification sound very effective and still faithful to your earlier storyline ideas (i.e: Capturing Linux-sama, face-off against Solaris-san, and Unix-sama wanting the last say of what happens to Linux-sama). I especially like the part where Linux-sama will visit Minix-sensei, Slackware-chan and Yggdrasil-chan, and including some lulz!


Chapter four would have been some of the backstory behind the GNU people (especially Emacs-kun). Aside from Linux-sama literally ending up on their doorstep, and getting treated like a demi-god (much to her bemusement), it was a bit weak in the present time. I figured, at best, I could always show a bit of what happened during her time with the GNU people in a flashback.

QuoteLinux-sama is really upsetting the status quo by being a Unix-like with powerful open sorcery! Which makes me wonder... Did the Unices all dislike the Unix-likes? (and does this conflict with my proposed backstory for QNX-tan, who although is a Unix-like, still did medical relief efforts during the Unix Wars?)


I think the Unix-tans would have looked at Unix-likes as "second class citizens", but would still socialize with them. While a lot were open-source, I doubt most Unix-likes would have been greatly powerful (in sorcery or influence)...it was probably the her own influence that made Linux-sama such a threat, as she was the first and only Unix-like who had a chance to become more important and ubiquitous than the old school Unixen.

QuoteI would agree to end it as quickly as originally intended, really more to fight against what you say is your natural inclincation to fizzle out in each project. If you're done and you're still psyched, you can always go back to beef it up more (add in the remaining chapters, etc).

But if you agree to my proposition, I think you'll have a little less pressure in doing so, and perhaps a little more help in getting it realized. ^^


The reason I want to finish this is because I have a lot of it planned out, and would kinda hate to see the ideas go to waste. If I cut chapter 4 down to nothing but a flashback in chapter 5, that will save me a lot of trouble.

QuoteNot sure how much you had that scene in your mind, but I've always drawn a blank with it myself. I would imagine perhaps that the chapter could open up with Linux-sama using her open sourcery very quickly to help someone on the road, followed by a brief 2-3 panel flashback of her with the GNU people, describing what they offered to her, followed in turn by the remainder of the chapter you described above. More screen time with the other girls is definitely much desired. ^^


Though this is a good idea, I was thinking of having it open with a flashback to her time with the GNU people, and a narration explaining (briefly) what happened. This might be a whole panel, and then the next panel would read "two years later" or "one and a half years later". I've always had a bit of trouble with what exactly Linux-sama's open sourcery would...be...so this I'd have to think up.

QuoteI'm wondering if instead of catching word of her leaving the GNU people, they instead catch word of her exploits. After all, the GNU people have had their hands in virtually everything since the mid 80's, but no one ever took them seriously enough to spread their work to the greater masses. Linux-sama, accidentally, began to do just that.


Sounds about right...

QuoteA while ago I suggested that, given their utilitarian nature, the Unix-tans weaponry would be primarily Russian-inspired. On the other hand, Solaris-sama (of that era) and many of the other Unix-tans likely would never have agreed to step one foot in a common military vehicle if it killed them, so I'm sure it would have to be something fancier they transported in with. -v-

I don't think it helps, but we can get to it when the time comes. -.-


I remember your suggestion that the Unixen would have a lot of Russin inspired weapons, and I approve this idea. As for Solaris-sama's own choice of transport...yes, I do think she would want something fancier than a military vehicle, but then again she is a Unix-tan. :P

QuoteFufu! That will be such an adorable scene! That alone would be worth the price of admission. ^__^


Then I have to include it. ;)

QuoteI think this sounds like a better scene, since Linux-sama is still relatively weak at this point, but still courageous enough to put herself in danger to protect her daughters. Plus I think it offers a chance to show Minix-sensei how much she cares for these younglings.


If you think back to my original idea, I wanted to the scene where Solaris-sama found Linux-sama to involve Apache-tan...but in the end, I figured Minix-sensei and the young distro-tans would be more interesting.

QuoteI think this is a good idea, and a fairly plausible way to get the story completed without losing the overall theme. A perfect example of KISS if I ever saw one. ^^


I actually came up with the concept for the Unix-sama/Linux-sama meeting a very long time ago (before I even started this comic) so I have a fairly good idea of what will happen.

QuoteWell loosely-speaking, the Zerosanity Xmas Special is done. Just not finished the way we wanted it to... can't possibly post this as final when the main characters turn into rice ball dumplings in the last 1/3 of the comic. ^^;


I'll be willing to help out a bit with the Xmas Special if the need be. :3

QuoteI think the pure-blood Unix-tans did dislike the Unix-likes, but in a more racist sense. They still looked and worked just like them (proprietary OSes), but they were just cheap knockoffs and hence inferior in their minds. Yet they could still work with them, and as long as they helped maintain the status quo they did very little to them (other than rustle them up every so often).


You put this perfectly...exactly what I though.

QuoteWith Linux-sama it was different, since she represented a viable social change that threatened the very fabric of their existence. It didn't matter if she was pureblood Unix or a "Like" -- her open sourcery was a threat that had to get squashed somehow.

Resentment to FreeBSD-tan was similar, but not as severe since she kept to herself for the most part.


Right about Linux-sama, as well. She was a huge threat because she was a danger to the status quo and had lots of people behind her.

Though I didn't know FreeBSD-tan was similarly disliked.

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Thank you very much for these ideas! I shall try to use them in my comic.
Title: Bella's OS-tan Manga Thread
Post by: Aurora Borealis on November 16, 2008, 12:44:09 pm
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Not sure how much you had that scene in your mind, but I've always drawn a blank with it myself.  I would imagine perhaps that the chapter could open up with Linux-sama using her open sourcery very quickly to help someone on the road, followed by a brief 2-3 panel flashback of her with the GNU people, describing what they offered to her, followed in turn by the remainder of the chapter you described above.  More screen time with the other girls is definitely much desired.  ^^

I like that! A quick way to show Linux-sama's open sorcery in action!

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I'm wondering if instead of catching word of her leaving the GNU people, they instead catch word of her exploits.  After all, the GNU people have had their hands in virtually everything since the mid 80's, but no one ever took them seriously enough to spread their work to the greater masses.  Linux-sama, accidentally, began to do just that.

Really? GNU has been around for that long?! They must have been keeping a low profile for years, with Linux-sama exposing it to the masses!

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A while ago I suggested that, given their utilitarian nature, the Unix-tans weaponry would be primarily Russian-inspired.  On the other hand, Solaris-sama (of that era) and many of the other Unix-tans likely would never have agreed to step one foot in a common military vehicle if it killed them, so I'm sure it would have to be something fancier they transported in with.  -v-

I think that Solaris-san would have driven in a modified limo... with machine gun, laser and radar attachments!

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Fufu!  That will be such an adorable scene!  That alone would be worth the price of admission.  ^__^

Seconded!

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Well loosely-speaking, the Zerosanity Xmas Special is done.  Just not finished the way we wanted it to... can't possibly post this as final when the main characters turn into rice ball dumplings in the last 1/3 of the comic.  ^^;

It's not completed but since there are at least storyboards for all the pages, it could in a way be considered done.

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I think the Unix-tans would have looked at Unix-likes as "second class citizens", but would still socialize with them. While a lot were open-source, I doubt most Unix-likes would have been greatly powerful (in sorcery or influence)...it was probably the her own influence that made Linux-sama such a threat, as she was the first and only Unix-like who had a chance to become more important and ubiquitous than the old school Unixen.

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I think the pure-blood Unix-tans did dislike the Unix-likes, but in a more racist sense.  They still looked and worked just like them (proprietary OSes), but they were just cheap knockoffs and hence inferior in their minds.  Yet they could still work with them, and as long as they helped maintain the status quo they did very little to them (other than rustle them up every so often).

Hmm... That's what I thought, and actually does not conflict with my proposed backstory ideas for QNX-tan but I'll elaborate upon that in the Theories thread.  

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With Linux-sama it was different, since she represented a viable social change that threatened the very fabric of their existence.  It didn't matter if she was pureblood Unix or a "Like" -- her open sourcery was a threat that had to get squashed somehow.

When there are breakers of the status quo in any society, a revolution is likely to follow.

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Then again, you have quite a few comics! You deserve an award just for coming up and drawing so many of your ideas!

I have 4 serieses, and I can't devote time to all of them at once :(

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Chapter four would have been some of the backstory behind the GNU people (especially Emacs-kun). Aside from Linux-sama literally ending up on their doorstep, and getting treated like a demi-god (much to her bemusement), it was a bit weak in the present time. I figured, at best, I could always show a bit of what happened during her time with the GNU people in a flashback.

That would have been a cute scene!

Linux: *at their doorstep* Can you help me?
GNU people: OMG!! OUR SAVIOR HAS ARRIVED! Come in come in! We have the finest stuff our money can buy, just for you!
Linux: Oh, that's not really necessary--

[Another improvised dialogue moment brought to you by Aurora!]

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The reason I want to finish this is because I have a lot of it planned out, and would kinda hate to see the ideas go to waste. If I cut chapter 4 down to nothing but a flashback in chapter 5, that will save me a lot of trouble.

Good call! I am confident that you can cut chapter 4 down to size without losing its originally intended impact!

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Though this is a good idea, I was thinking of having it open with a flashback to her time with the GNU people, and a narration explaining (briefly) what happened. This might be a whole panel, and then the next panel would read "two years later" or "one and a half years later". I've always had a bit of trouble with what exactly Linux-sama's open sourcery would...be...so this I'd have to think up.

I think that'll work!

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I remember your suggestion that the Unixen would have a lot of Russin inspired weapons, and I approve this idea. As for Solaris-sama's own choice of transport...yes, I do think she would want something fancier than a military vehicle, but then again she is a Unix-tan. :P

Aren't a lot of Unices the austere type? But then again, Solaris-san may be more the exception than the norm!

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Then I have to include it. ;)

Yay!

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If you think back to my original idea, I wanted to the scene where Solaris-sama found Linux-sama to involve Apache-tan...but in the end, I figured Minix-sensei and the young distro-tans would be more interesting.

Your original idea with Apache-tan was great, but I like this new one even better for the cute and potentially emotional factor!

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I'll be willing to help out a bit with the Xmas Special if the need be. :3

I think I'll need the help, and it'd be cool to turn the special into a three-way collaboration!
Title: Bella's OS-tan Manga Thread
Post by: C-Chan on November 17, 2008, 12:10:06 am
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I think the Unix-tans would have looked at Unix-likes as "second class citizens", but would still socialize with them. While a lot were open-source, I doubt most Unix-likes would have been greatly powerful (in sorcery or influence)...it was probably the her own influence that made Linux-sama such a threat, as she was the first and only Unix-like who had a chance to become more important and ubiquitous than the old school Unixen.


Bella-hime the Telepath strikes back!  ^.^

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The reason I want to finish this is because I have a lot of it planned out, and would kinda hate to see the ideas go to waste. If I cut chapter 4 down to nothing but a flashback in chapter 5, that will save me a lot of trouble.


Agreed, but like I said before, you can take a little bit of time now thanks to the proposition.  I won't let you abandon that comic till its done. ^^

FYI, it's probably a good time within the next week or so to mirror your comics on your DA page.  So far there's very little artwork posted, but once your mangas are up that will change dramatically.  ^^

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Though this is a good idea, I was thinking of having it open with a flashback to her time with the GNU people, and a narration explaining (briefly) what happened. This might be a whole panel, and then the next panel would read "two years later" or "one and a half years later". I've always had a bit of trouble with what exactly Linux-sama's open sourcery would...be...so this I'd have to think up.


I mentioned before that while Open Sourcery can take on many forms (as it's literally nothing more than peer-reviewed magic freely distributable to the public), the vast majority of it is centered around self-enhancement magic.  (e.g., spells that make you stronger, faster, leap longer, throw a speer longer or make it return)

Because it's all documented and understandable, a spell to heal someone, for example, could easily be understood by the caster as using her hand to emit xyz electrical impulse signals to coordinate the cell restructuring around a particular wound of the patient.  In a sense, the magic ends up being more hyper-science than mysticism.

That's why it's particular annoying for traditional sorceresses to have a bunch of "nobody"'s demystify how her time-homored spells probably work (and often times get away with it).  ^.^

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I remember your suggestion that the Unixen would have a lot of Russin inspired weapons, and I approve this idea. As for Solaris-sama's own choice of transport...yes, I do think she would want something fancier than a military vehicle, but then again she is a Unix-tan. :P


As a compromise, she could be taken there by a personal APC, redesigned in the interior to look like a very stylish and elegant suite.

Certainly the higher echelon daughters at that time lost a lot of sight about what it meant to be a Unixen.  -v-;

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Right about Linux-sama, as well. She was a huge threat because she was a danger to the status quo and had lots of people behind her.

Though I didn't know FreeBSD-tan was similarly disliked.


Don't forget FreeB-chan was never afraid of speaking her mind, so she made TONS of enemies among the old school Unix-tans.  It's only because her mother is so important (and because she's also very smart) that they never indulged in more serious payback against the impudent little devil girl.  ^___^

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Really? GNU has been around for that long?! They must have been keeping a low profile for years, with Linux-sama exposing it to the masses!


Yeah, in fact remember Emacs, GCC and GREP were among some of the applications that came out of the early GNU efforts.  They were great at building applications,... just not great at building the flagship OS for showcasing them....

*stares at GNU Hurd-tan*  -v-

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I think that Solaris-san would have driven in a modified limo... with machine gun, laser and radar attachments!


Not that she needed such heavy protection, but she definitely would have wanted to LOOK important at the very least.  "To raise troop morale", according to her at the time.

QuoteI think I'll need the help, and it'd be cool to turn the special into a three-way collaboration!


I actually look forward to seeing that as well.  ^___^

If you do help Bella populate the DeviantOS-tan page, I hope you'll consider posting up that existing Zerosanity comic pages as well (this time in a size that's a little easier to read, since I imagine DA allows for larger pictures than the Gallery does).

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And that's all I can say in this thread. ^^

In this particular case, though, I'm overjoyed that I have not seen the last of Bella-hime's comics.  If anything, I'm going to help her complete some of them.  ^^

I'm too physically exhausted to draw comic panels from start to finish, but I seem to still have a talent for auxiliary work, be it storyboarding or shading/lighting or special effects.  If that can be used to help Bella-hime realize one ofher dreams, I'll be glad to volunteer some of my post-retirement time for that purpose.  ^___^

This is not goodbye at all, but "see you later"!  ^v^
(and I mean that... after C-Day, I'm gonna need at least a day to relax as my fingers are killin' me.... ^_______^;)

Ja ne!  ^v^

*C-chan signs off*
Title: Bella's OS-tan Manga Thread
Post by: Bella on November 22, 2009, 07:18:59 pm
New pages, more likely than you think.

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50 http://bellacielo.deviantart.com/art/Linux-tan-comic-p-50-144464662

Please do fave and comment on my DA page if you like them.
Title: Bella's OS-tan Manga Thread
Post by: Aurora Borealis on November 22, 2009, 07:33:03 pm
I saw those! Linux-sama interacting with her kids was adorable, especially with Red Hat-chan! :D It's hard to believe that the cute scene is going to get ruined by those mean, stuffy old Unices! :(
Title: Bella's OS-tan Manga Thread
Post by: Bella on November 22, 2009, 07:45:01 pm
The Unices: they're meanies. ಠ_ಠ
Title: Bella's OS-tan Manga Thread
Post by: Aurora Borealis on November 22, 2009, 07:56:39 pm
Well, the more 'elite' of them are, at least.

Those that deviate from the elite, or severed their ties with the Unix Family altogether, tend to be a lot nicer.


Those sound like some unfortunate implications. o_o
Title: Bella's OS-tan Manga Thread
Post by: Bella on December 18, 2009, 08:37:54 pm
Quote from: "Aurora Borealis"Well, the more 'elite' of them are, at least.

Those that deviate from the elite, or severed their ties with the Unix Family altogether, tend to be a lot nicer.


Those sound like some unfortunate implications. o_o


Oddly enough, most of the early Unices were fairly non-elitist (Unix-sama and BSD-tan, notably). Only when big corporations got involved did they become more pompous.

PLZ READ THE REST OF CHAPTER FOUR!
(http://bellacielo.deviantart.com/gallery/#Comic-Chapter-Four)

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Title: Bella's OS-tan Manga Thread
Post by: Aurora Borealis on December 22, 2009, 05:49:56 pm
I'm really surprised. But since Unix wasn't originally intended to be commercialized, or ambitious for that matter, I'll believe that... even though Unix almost killed her own mother, granted that wasn't her choice at all.

Then the Unices gained a lot of power with commercialization, but of course... power corrupts! And from that came the in-fighting among Unix and her daughters, fighting over who would be heir to their 'dynasty, all this is made especially bad by the fact that Unix wanted her daughters to be powerful and self-confident, so she tried to pamper them as such, but this went horribly awry as they developed a sense of entitlement, right? Am I on the right track with this?

Looking at it from that perspective does make even the 'elite' Unices at least somewhat sympathetic characters, since before I couldn't really sympathize with them and saw them as the mean ol' bad guys who just wanted to kidnap Linux.

This is all looking great so far, and Linux is really standing her ground with the power of sarcasm, some Open Sourcery, and badassery! :D

And it's great to see Solaris-tan's memory manipulating ability in action! I know the next scene is going to be epic!
Title: Bella's OS-tan Manga Thread
Post by: Bella on December 31, 2009, 02:03:06 pm
Unix-sama would have been eerily similar to Linux-tan back in the day (with the admitted excepting of being a LOT more brutal and calculating, just to survive). Of course, there was no organized open source movement in those days, so there was nothing stopping Unix-sama from eventually trying to commercialize her success (and her children following suit, which caused the Unix wars...).

You seem to be on the right track; along with the fighting over the heirship to the throne, there was also a lot of internal bickering about standards and property (ie, hardware) disputes. The family was so focused on holding on to their current land (ie, minicomputers and workstations) that they essentially turned their backs on the burgeoning PC market.

I don't know if Unix-sama herself pampered her children, but their employers certainly did. -v-

I'm working on the next chapter now! It's going to be Unix-sama-centric, or something like that.
Title: Bella's OS-tan Manga Thread
Post by: Aurora Borealis on December 31, 2009, 03:04:17 pm
It seems that Unix nominating an heir to the dynasty is a no-win situation, whether she picked a favorite of her daughters to lead (with resentment from the others), or by pampering them all (either by her or the employees), and although Linux-sama has the merit to lead, disaster could ensue if she did. Stupid infighting.

I also now doubt Unix pampered her children, given the circumstances of her early life, it would be hard for her to have emotional closeness to nearly anyone!

And that in-fighting over standards and such, causing the Unix Wars explains how their territory could fall so easily to NT-tan's forces! BTW, was there ever a winner to the Unix Wars?