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Title: Window Vista
Post by: time-time on February 28, 2007, 01:47:54 pm
Window Vista is on the market, Window XP will be gone soon any one disagree.
Title: Window Vista
Post by: Kami-Tux on February 28, 2007, 07:30:40 pm
I disagree on the soon, seeing Win98 is still being used.
Title: windows
Post by: time-time on March 04, 2007, 02:07:10 pm
I still use the 98 and xp and many more and they all do good to me
Title: Window Vista
Post by: Myrdin on March 04, 2007, 02:36:14 pm
Vista gives users very little incentive to upgrade. I'll be keeping XP for a long time to come. Most everyone I've discussed this with feels the same way.
Title: Window Vista
Post by: Exa on March 05, 2007, 04:06:34 am
I'll wait with Vista until the most ciritical security holes are fixed. I don't want an Os with full of dangers!
Title: Window Vista
Post by: time-time on March 05, 2007, 02:04:27 pm
window xp had security holes in the lanch product and that took it time to fix so Vista should not be too long to fix.
Title: Window Vista
Post by: Bluesummers on March 09, 2007, 11:52:44 am
I think it's similar to Nintendo's Wii. The gamecube is still running strong; Nintendo is still producing games for it (or at least still licensing third-parties to make games for it), and XP is the primary OS used globally. So, It's going to take some time to adjust to Vista, and in the meantime, people are going to use XP for a lot of things. THere are so many things in XP that I could'nt do with 98, I don't want to switch right now. With windowblinds, and all the customizations I've done to the OS, I find it hard to say goodbye and start something new. Plus, there's proly going to be service packs released to fix some bugs they didn't eradicate in the beta longhorn, so I'll probably wait for that release. ^.^;;
Title: Window Vista
Post by: 1gerrad on March 21, 2007, 10:43:27 pm
I wouldn't upgrade to Vista seeing how much more steps I have to go through  to perform certain simple operations. I might wait a year or two before I dish out some heavy cash for a new OS.
Title: Window Vista
Post by: Kami-Tux on March 21, 2007, 10:48:20 pm
Or get one for free! :)
Title: Window Vista
Post by: Bella on March 21, 2007, 11:59:43 pm
Meh, I'll get Vista with my next computer in a couple of years or so *looking at you, Lenovo Thinkpad* Till then, XP all the way. Even if it does look like a weird emoticon (Winking and razzing at the same time, I think...LOL)
Title: Window Vista
Post by: Silentbob on March 22, 2007, 06:36:40 am
I'll install Vista when needed. (DX10 games and all that). I see too many people are having trouble with it for the time being to want to take that chance.

But I'm going to stick with XP-tan for as long as I can, works just fine for what I use my computer for. I'm also giving Linux/Ubuntu some attention these days, so that's also a factor that plays in.
Title: Window Vista
Post by: CaptBrenden on March 22, 2007, 08:26:03 am
I soppose its just me with my multiple computerness but Im already running vista and kept XP.  I personaly have no problems with it.
Title: Window Vista
Post by: Silentbob on March 22, 2007, 08:57:45 am
Well, I've always lived in the past, hehe.   Win2k was released in '99, but I didn't start using it until 2002 (Was on 98SE until then), and didn't install XP until 2003.  I just seem to be content sticking with what works for me. Of course, the back side to that is that learning about new stuff takes longer.  But when I upgrade my rig later this spring, I'm probably going to install Vista along with XP.  Just to check Vista out once and for all, and be ready for the new DX10 games. (As I'll be purchasing a DX10 graphics card as well).
Title: Window Vista
Post by: Gummster on March 22, 2007, 12:41:41 pm
Quote from: "Kami-Tux"Or get one for free!


Exactly!

But there seriusly are still people who use the older windows OS's for example the old work comp has windows 95 But it's not used any more, except if we want a few nostalgic moments
Title: Window Vista
Post by: NICCSACC on March 28, 2007, 01:37:18 pm
got vista with this new pc
i was using xp on my other pc
i like vista better
Title: Window Vista
Post by: 95Direct on April 20, 2007, 02:57:03 pm
Quote from: "Gummster"
Quote from: "Kami-Tux"Or get one for free!


Exactly!

But there seriusly are still people who use the older windows OS's for example the old work comp has windows 95 But it's not used any more, except if we want a few nostalgic moments

Thats the beauty of Virtualization. On VMware Workstation (or Player) I can run Windows 95 as a guest on an abstract virtual machine. All in Windows XP ;).

The Plus side is that I also can give help to people who are still on the older OSes.
Title: Window Vista
Post by: AzN JoHn on April 21, 2007, 04:11:39 am
Vista is horrible for gamers, 80% of the games out there wont run on Vista correctly and if they do run some of them take HEAVY performance loss, like in FEAR i had a loss of almost 50-80FPS from playing on XP to Vista (same system).  for anything other than gaming its an OK OS....i have the feeling Vista wont last long since they are going to release a new OS in the next 2 years anyway, it was just a hold over OS like 2K and ME was.... (part of me dies whenever i think of ME)  anyway Vista isn't that great of a OS, security is top notch but annoying as all hell, and if you turn it off what good is it to have it?  visually its nice but so is XP and you can get window blinds to change the look of windows.....oh well i guess its what people prefer...i know ill be sticking with XP for a long time....
Title: Window Vista
Post by: CaptBrenden on April 21, 2007, 05:23:43 am
on the game note tho... Halo 2 ONLY runs on vista
Title: Window Vista
Post by: Kami-Tux on April 21, 2007, 07:31:11 am
KILL IT! WITH GLORIOUS FIRE FROM THE SKY!!!!

ALL GAMES SHOULD RUN ON THE GLORIOUS FREE/LIBRE/OPENSOURCE OSES!

on a more serious note...  isn't it produced by M$?
Title: Window Vista
Post by: NejinOniwa on April 21, 2007, 07:47:39 am
Yes, unfortunately. Since the Halo games are two (soon three) of the most awesome games ever...
Title: Window Vista
Post by: Silentbob on April 21, 2007, 05:41:49 pm
As mentioned, my new rig will have a DX10 card, so getting around Vista for games is impossible.  But I'm going to have XP (and Linux) installed as well. For the sake of full compatibility.
Title: Window Vista
Post by: CaptBrenden on April 21, 2007, 10:53:07 pm
QuoteKILL IT! WITH GLORIOUS FIRE FROM THE SKY!!!!

ALL GAMES SHOULD RUN ON THE GLORIOUS FREE/LIBRE/OPENSOURCE OSES!  


Fanatical cultist much?

Yes Halo is a Microsoft product.  It was originaly going to be a MAC product, but then microsoft bought it for the X-Box for a launch title (if not launch, pretty close too) and became one of the most awsome games of all time.  I cant think of any other game that could charge 100+ for a copy of the third game in the installment and people will still pay it (no fancy controller or anything.. tho its rumored that the legendary pack I speak of includes a 360 high def version of 1 and 2, on top of the bonus material and the master cheif helmet its stored in)

Anyhow, when the original halo came out for the X-box it took along time for the PC version to hit, heck it pretty much came out the same time as Halo 2 did for the x-box, but it was still a top seller.  People have waited a long time for halo 2 to hit the PC, we shall now see if it has the same sucsess.. tho i dont know how that will pan out with its vista exclusivity.  Either it will boost vista sales, or hurt its sales, or maybe a bit of bother.  Either way its further proof of microsoft desperatly pushing vista (tho like I said before, I have no problem with the system, but I admit the buisness tactics piss me off)
Title: Window Vista
Post by: Kami-Tux on April 22, 2007, 06:26:59 am
Quote from: "CaptBrenden"
QuoteKILL IT! WITH GLORIOUS FIRE FROM THE SKY!!!!

ALL GAMES SHOULD RUN ON THE GLORIOUS FREE/LIBRE/OPENSOURCE OSES!  


Fanatical cultist much?


Me? nah! Not at all! In other news, I never exaggerate for the sake of humour or use sarcasm ever!

Maybe I also should add that I do not play 3d-games because they do not interest me. I don't under Linux and I didn't under Win95 when I had no idea about opensource.
Title: Window Vista
Post by: NejinOniwa on April 22, 2007, 07:11:55 am
Why that's just wicked.
Title: Window Vista
Post by: Kami-Tux on April 22, 2007, 07:16:39 am
I do not like them for some reason... It was no fun to play them...I guess I am weird.
Title: Window Vista
Post by: CaptBrenden on April 22, 2007, 01:01:50 pm
i didnt say it :P
Title: Window Vista
Post by: leetmaster4004 on April 24, 2007, 06:10:48 pm
Vista is crap, right off they assume youre stealing it (which is likley seeing as how much it costs). This makes it difficult to work with in an IT enviornment. Ive had times where I have to get a pirated version of XP cause the legal one had some stupid issue with it and microshaft said "too bad, buy it again". Vista is just worse. And really who needs so much hardware to show some pretty pictures. OS X and Linux do it without nearly as much hardware.
Title: Window Vista
Post by: C-Chan on April 25, 2007, 12:13:03 am
Well, they don't call you l33t master for nothing.  ^__^

I could probably put up with their bloated hardware requirements,... most of us have essentially been doing that for years.

But there comes a point where you just cease to fancy the idea of being treated like a criminal.  (Especially if they're going to dump $3 Windows in developing countries though you're being asked to pay 100x that amount,... one has to wonder who the real criminal is here.... -v-)

Course,... without Leopard to offer a contemporary Mac response to Vista, and with M$ promising to pull the plug on XP next year, guess it's up to my new friends and I to offer everyone another option.  ^___^

http://www.kubuntu.org/
Title: Window Vista
Post by: Gummster on April 25, 2007, 08:46:00 am
That is an option I like C-Chan, although I'm not really for KDE. I'm a GNOME man. www.ubuntu.com
Title: Window Vista
Post by: Bella on April 25, 2007, 11:47:34 am
Actually, I retract my earlier statement about getting Vista when I get a new computer; Hoping my current laptop will keep running, I'll probably wait until 2009/10 to get codename "Blackcomb". As for Halo 2, I do not play the game but I still think it's quite stupid of them to make it only for Vista, because only 12% of people say they plan on converting from XP to Vista. They're just trying to give the gamers a reason to convert.
Title: Window Vista
Post by: C-Chan on April 25, 2007, 11:59:13 am
I guess you mean "Vienna", don't you?  "Blackcomb" ceased being the codename for that super futuristic OS they claim to be working on.  It might be a good one, though -- if history is meant to repeat itself, then Vista would be to Vienna what ME is to XP.  ^v^;
(Perhaps making Vista intentionally annoying will cause sales of Vienna to skyrocket... that'd be a helluva long-term strategy. ^___^;)

QuoteThat is an option I like C-Chan, although I'm not really for KDE. I'm a GNOME man. www.ubuntu.com


I respect Gnomes.  ^___^

Also like Teachers and Hamsters myself.... -v-

http://www.edubuntu.org/
http://www.xubuntu.org/

But I positively can't get enough of this 'Just Add Water' system either.... ^___^

http://www.knoppix.org/
Title: Window Vista
Post by: NejinOniwa on April 25, 2007, 02:04:41 pm
Vienna'd better be good, otherwise microsoft is toasted, burned and thrown out together with tha' ol' toaster machine.
Title: Window Vista
Post by: leetmaster4004 on April 25, 2007, 08:24:46 pm
I know alot of people with hardware that Vista can run well with but for most users they shouldent need to spend that much on hardware they wouldent normally need.  The DRM issues arent fun either, ive been hearing alot of problems relating to it. I work at a shop fixing systems and the people with Vista have been SOL the last few months.
Title: Window Vista
Post by: Bella on May 08, 2007, 06:41:37 pm
I saw my friend's new HP laptop (this thing was SHARP, BTW! 17'' screen, camera, microphone.)  Anyhoo, it was running Vista. Although he likes it, he also was annoyed by the constant popups and blockings. There's a lot less control over the system than with XP.

QuoteI guess you mean "Vienna", don't you? "Blackcomb" ceased being the codename for that super futuristic OS they claim to be working on.


Gah! Those codenames get me again! Let us from now on call it "the OS that's coming out, sometime between, oh, 2009/13, that's hopefully better than Vista"

QuoteIt might be a good one, though -- if history is meant to repeat itself, then Vista would be to Vienna what ME is to XP. ^v^;



That's what I'm hoping. Otherwise, as NejinOniwa said:

QuoteVienna'd better be good, otherwise microsoft is toasted, burned and thrown out together with tha' ol' toaster machine.


Quote(Perhaps making Vista intentionally annoying will cause sales of Vienna to skyrocket... that'd be a helluva long-term strategy. ^___^


I wouldn't put it past M$...They know they're going to get a ton of $$ off of the new computer sales, anyway...

*C'mon Vienna, you can do it! You can be the new XP!*
Title: Window Vista
Post by: NejinOniwa on May 09, 2007, 09:42:41 am
...also, from what I've seen of prototypes, Vienna-tan/Blackcomb-tan is SUGOI hawtness...
Title: Window Vista
Post by: Kami-Tux on May 09, 2007, 05:14:24 pm
How so?
Title: Window Vista
Post by: Bella on May 11, 2007, 11:46:43 am
You know, I think one of the things people don't like about Vista (Besides driver problems, more RAM, more hardware requirements, etc...because doesn't that happen with most new OSs? Baring OS X, perhaps...), is that it's not much of a jump from XP. I mean, people were stuck with the less stable non-NT OSs for years, and then XP came, and suddenly everything seemed a lot better...guess what I'm trying to say is, 98 to ME was maybe a 1 to a 2 on a scale of things. ME to XP was like going from a 2 to a 10. What is Vista? Like a 10, or an 11?
Title: Window Vista
Post by: Kami-Tux on May 11, 2007, 01:07:26 pm
IMHO a 9. It restricts the user too much!
Title: Window Vista
Post by: NejinOniwa on May 11, 2007, 02:06:01 pm
Exactly!
And it's absolutely horrible that hardware vendors almost only sell new compies with it...
Title: Window Vista
Post by: CaptBrenden on May 11, 2007, 04:35:02 pm
but we all know just about everyone on this forum wasnt horribly bias to begin with ;)
Title: Window Vista
Post by: Bella on May 14, 2007, 01:16:51 am
I'm not bias (Well, maybe a tad *pats XP*). It's just that (and this is all just my personal thinking) after going from 9x based ME to stabler NT based XP was like going from a cardboard box to a mansion. Vista...is like a mansion with fancier curtains and a much more annoying home alarm system or something (Geez, I need to work on my computer metaphors, don't I?) It's just not as innovative and exciting as XP was when it came out.
Title: Window Vista
Post by: C-Chan on May 14, 2007, 01:54:53 pm
I agree wholeheartedly, but it doesn't change the fact that the big M$ is going to discontinue Saseko one way or another.  

The question now is,... what'll you do when Windows Update stops offering security patches, their call centers start thumbing their noses down at you and the stores no longer offer even a hint of XP on their machines (well, that's almost true now).  Releasing a very GOOD Vienna might be your salvation, but given how delayed Vista was relative to XP, you're probably looking at maybe a good 5 year wait.  -.-'

These are questions that many individual users and businesses will have to address, unfortunately sooner rather than later.  '__'
Title: Window Vista
Post by: Darknight_88 on May 14, 2007, 02:41:16 pm
Quote from: "C-Chan"
The question now is,... what'll you do when Windows Update stops offering security patches, their call centers start thumbing their noses down at you and the stores no longer offer even a hint of XP on their machines (well, that's almost true now).  Releasing a very GOOD Vienna might be your salvation, but given how delayed Vista was relative to XP, you're probably looking at maybe a good 5 year wait.  -.-'



Well... Windows "Vienna" is expected to be released in 2009. Delayed release dates aside, I think it won't be a long wait.

...
About 2 more months and I will get the chance to buy a laptop with Windows Vista Home Premium...
Title: Window Vista
Post by: C-Chan on May 14, 2007, 03:09:28 pm
2009?  When Vista was released in 2007?  O__o

I can understand the whole ME/XP example, and I wouldn't certainly discount the possibility that M$ would pull that off again.....

But I feel I'll sprout wings and fly before the day comes they release Vienna in 2009.  Maybe the early beta, perhaps,... then we'd talk.... -v-
Title: Window Vista
Post by: Darknight_88 on May 14, 2007, 03:24:32 pm
Quote from: "C-Chan"2009?  When Vista was released in 2007?  O__o

I can understand the whole ME/XP example, and I wouldn't certainly discount the possibility that M$ would pull that off again.....

But I feel I'll sprout wings and fly before the day comes they release Vienna in 2009.  Maybe the early beta, perhaps,... then we'd talk.... -v-


Well...95--->98, 98---->ME & 2000
So it'd not be the first time a new Microsoft OS is released after 3 years or less. Vista was an exceptional case.
Title: Window Vista
Post by: C-Chan on May 15, 2007, 02:05:45 pm
Well an exceptional case concurrent with the exponentially-growing complexity of code, hardware, software, legal issues and user demographics.  Even though I'm sure development tools have improved with the times, just like with games it probably requires more time, money and labor to develop modern proprietary operating systems that consistently try to innovate over the previous version.  '___'

(Admittedly, this can sort of apply to Leopard and it's unfortunate presumably delay due to that damn phone thingy. -v-)

But if you can get M$ to release its super system on schedule, with all the features you need and crave, that's friendly to all hardware and boot environments, and does not treat you like your own probation, then by all means I encourage you to do so.

Better that you (the customers) force them to put all that money to develop innovative and quality products, rather than to let them waste it pretending like they can sue to pay their bills:

http://www.pcworld.com/article/id,131806/article.html

http://www.techworld.com/opsys/news/index.cfm?newsid=8837&pagtype=all
Title: Window Vista
Post by: Bella on May 16, 2007, 12:24:14 pm
QuoteThe question now is,... what'll you do when Windows Update stops offering security patches, their call centers start thumbing their noses down at you and the stores no longer offer even a hint of XP on their machines (well, that's almost true now). Releasing a very GOOD Vienna might be your salvation, but given how delayed Vista was relative to XP, you're probably looking at maybe a good 5 year wait. -.-
These are questions that many individual users and businesses will have to address, unfortunately sooner rather than later. '__''


They made updates and support for ME and 98 until 2006, so XP should still have support for quite a while...my computer's hardware is going to give out long before 2012/13, I'm afraid :..(

QuoteWell...95--->98, 98---->ME & 2000
So it'd not be the first time a new Microsoft OS is released after 3 years or less. Vista was an exceptional case.


I think XP was actually the exceptional case, lasting 6 years!

Quote2009? When Vista was released in 2007? O__o

I can understand the whole ME/XP example, and I wouldn't certainly discount the possibility that M$ would pull that off again.....

But I feel I'll sprout wings and fly before the day comes they release Vienna in 2009. Maybe the early beta, perhaps,... then we'd talk.... -v-


Fly, C-Chan, fly!

QuoteAbout 2 more months and I will get the chance to buy a laptop with Windows Vista Home Premium...


I don't necessarily dislike Vista, I just get enough use out of XP to not want to convert. My checklist:

Boots up in the morning? Check
Stable? Secure? Useful? Check
Relatively pretty interface (though Aero really is beautiful!)? Check
Runs PS, as well as all my other programs? Check

Why would I want any other OS?
Title: Window Vista
Post by: C-Chan on May 16, 2007, 02:38:57 pm
QuoteThey made updates and support for ME and 98 until 2006, so XP should still have support for quite a while...my computer's hardware is going to give out long before 2012/13, I'm afraid :..(


Well by then Windows will be open-sourced, so it's a moot point anyway.  -v-

And stop being so defeatist about your laptop, cause all you really have to do is replace the hardware as it dies off.  Ask AmigaBob,... he still has his two darling Miggies puttering away, and they're both well over 20 years old by now.  ^___^

QuoteI don't necessarily dislike Vista, I just get enough use out of XP to not want to convert. My checklist:

Boots up in the morning? Check
Stable? Secure? Useful? Check
Relatively pretty interface (though Aero really is beautiful!)? Check
Runs PS, as well as all my other programs? Check

Why would I want any other OS?


I guess to sing to the same tune, one could even opt to "downgrade" to Windows 2000 instead if switching to Vista, since it is presumably more stable and secure, and the age makes it far removed from all that DRM junk.  (And generally speaking, whatever app/game/etc works for XP probably works for 2K.)

All that's left is the issue of Aero, but Aqua might still and Bery definitely does blow it out of the water, so it's not like the bragging rights are worth it.  Not to assume that M$ will pay attention, but if they realize that their customer base prefer their older products, maybe they'll stop trying to reinvent the wheel for the worse.

Like in this article:

http://www.tuxdeluxe.org/node/192

QuoteFly, C-Chan, fly!


You got it!  ^___^

WEEEEE!!!!  ^V^

*flies off*
Title: Window Vista
Post by: Darknight_88 on May 16, 2007, 06:17:28 pm
Quote from: "Bella"


QuoteAbout 2 more months and I will get the chance to buy a laptop with Windows Vista Home Premium...


I don't necessarily dislike Vista, I just get enough use out of XP to not want to convert. My checklist:

Boots up in the morning? Check
Stable? Secure? Useful? Check
Relatively pretty interface (though Aero really is beautiful!)? Check
Runs PS, as well as all my other programs? Check

Why would I want any other OS?


I would also stay with XP, But the university requires a laptop (lol, that's one of the requirements, along with good grades and passing the admission exam). I currently own a WinXP home PC, and I'm quite happy with it.
Title: Window Vista
Post by: NejinOniwa on May 16, 2007, 06:21:04 pm
Requirement? Pah! I've seen places where you're GIVEN a laptop at your entrance ceremony...
Title: Window Vista
Post by: Darknight_88 on May 16, 2007, 07:24:15 pm
Quote from: "NejinOniwa"Requirement? Pah! I've seen places where you're GIVEN a laptop at your entrance ceremony...

...and the cost of such laptop is added to the admission costs...and that kind of places are usually EXPENSIVE.
Title: Window Vista
Post by: NejinOniwa on May 16, 2007, 07:34:19 pm
Why was the one i saw free, then...hmmm....
Title: Window Vista
Post by: Tsubashi on May 16, 2007, 08:38:18 pm
I've never heard of a free university, let alone one that hands out free laptops. Could you point me in their direction, eh Nejin-san? I think I might like to attend one of their ceremonies!
Title: Window Vista
Post by: Darknight_88 on May 16, 2007, 08:41:30 pm
Cause they just blend the laptop's cost with the admission fee, so you never notice it. Or maybe its just part of some kind of financial aid, but in that case it'd only be given to certain students, not everyone.

And if that's not the case, then I second Tsubahi's request :D

QuoteWell by then Windows will be open-sourced, so it's a moot point anyway. -v-

LOL
Title: Window Vista
Post by: NejinOniwa on May 16, 2007, 09:08:45 pm
Oh that's right, it was a highschool. My bad.


Now why in the name of hael didn't I apply for that place...?

Added after 37 seconds:

Still though, free lappy ^-^
Title: Window Vista
Post by: Tsubashi on May 16, 2007, 11:36:03 pm
Highschool isn't free, at least not in the US. It is a state funded organization, so whomever claimed the recipient as a dependent also payed for the laptop. Unless it's a private school, but then you still have an entrance fee. Drat no free Lappy!


We are, however, drifting dangerously offtopic, so as not to risk being banhammered, I'm going to make an on-topic remark!

QuoteWell...95--->98, 98---->ME & 2000
So it'd not be the first time a new Microsoft OS is released after 3 years or less. Vista was an exceptional case.


Well, lets look at the whole timeline.
-We've got two years between 3.0 and 3.1
-Then three years to Win 95
-Three more to Win 98
-Two to get to ME and 2k, being both the peak and the trough of the Windows OS in the same year!
-it take only one year before XP is released
-Vista (of course) takes five

Bella was right when she said XP was the anomaly. Since ME was a disaster M$ had to shorten it's development cycle to it's shortest yet. What they produced was usable enough to keep people satiated. So, with the crisis controlled, M$ was in no hurry to release another one. Thus they increased devel. time to larger than ever before. What they did with the time, we'll never know, as vista doesn't sport a whole lot of new useful things. Vista is a flop, it's another ME, but for a new reason. I'm fairly confident M$ will make sure to get the next OS out quick, but after words, devel. time is likely to increase again
Title: Window Vista
Post by: Darknight_88 on May 17, 2007, 12:18:08 am
Quote from: "Bella"I think XP was actually the exceptional case, lasting 6 years!

Well, I was referring to the exceptional development time for Windows Vista...
Which at the same time, as you said, has allowed XP to last 6 years without a successor.

Quote from: "Tsubashi"Thus they increased devel. time to larger than ever before. What they did with the time, we'll never know, as vista doesn't sport a whole lot of new useful things.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Development_of_Windows_Vista

tl:dr:
Until 2005, Microsoft developed Longhorn as a bridge between XP and "blackcomb". It was not expected to be a huge leap. But then, they kept adding and adding features, and suddenly the project had no clear objective. So they reset  Longhorn and started over again in 2005, but now with a clear objective, a newer source code and their most skilled engineers and developers. So the "true" Vista was developed from mid-2005 to the beginning of 2007. But this phase was faster because they used all the new technologies they developed in the "first" Longhorn


Edit: w00t! 555 GE
Title: Window Vista
Post by: Bella on May 18, 2007, 01:22:48 am
What the hell?

http://news.softpedia.com/news/Windows-Vista-More-Secure-than-Mac-OS-X-49487.shtml
Title: Window Vista
Post by: Tsubashi on May 18, 2007, 01:37:35 am
There's bias if I ever heard it! Firstly lets think this through. As of yet, most corporations have yet to switch to Vista, so any mainstream hacker will target XP/Server 2003. Secondly, go and read what it is that Apple is patching! Most of the security issues cause, quote, "unexpected application termination" or "denial of service"
Really compromising, eh?
Then lets look at what M$ is patching... wait, M$ doesn't tell you, do they? Well, we know they patched quite a few compromising errors before, and there's whole sites dedicated to tracking windows bugs. So, regardless of the author says, she's exploiting a small detail, and refusing to step back and examine it in context
Title: Window Vista
Post by: Bella on May 19, 2007, 01:36:35 am
And I wonder why some people don't take Windows fans seriously :(
Title: Window Vista
Post by: CaptBrenden on May 19, 2007, 11:58:46 am
Like you guys should really be talking about the biasness of things.
Title: Window Vista
Post by: Bella on May 20, 2007, 12:37:48 am
Yeah, we probably shouldn't ;) I believe that Windows can be made very secure with the right software (my computer hasn't caught a virus since, late 2005 [when I started using Windows Updates]. Spyware was a problem for my computer, but since installing the right software it has all but gone away), but comparing the security of Vista with OS X? It's annoying everything is either biased so much toward Vista or so much toward OS X...I guess there's no such thing as "fair and balanced", though.
Title: Window Vista
Post by: C-Chan on May 20, 2007, 06:46:27 pm
It's hard to be "fair and balanced" when money is involved.  Both Vista AND OSX cost you (the consumer) money (in terms of the actual license to own the OS + the hardware required to run them + the software required to keep it safe), so the ball is on their court to keep you safe (or at least prove that they're trying).

Consequently, Apple and M$ have a vested interest to say their product is safer than the others, much like a shampoo says it cleans your hair better than the blue bottle brand.  Whether it's true or not is irrelevant -- it's business plain and simple, and if business is strongly correlated to war, then,... as the old adage says,... "all's fair in love and war".  -.-

Speaking of war tactics, not sure if you've heard of or followed that little stunt that Microsoft tried to pull, but this is a very interesting (and somewhat unbiased) article involving the outcome of Microsoft's (very SCO Group-like) patent attack:

http://www.informationweek.com/news/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=199602086

(Note: there's a page 2)
Title: Window Vista
Post by: NejinOniwa on May 21, 2007, 02:59:13 pm
HEAR THE DRUMS OF WAR
THEY ARE THE SOUND OF IMPENDING DOOOOOOOOOOM~!!!
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OS Wars just got a bit more serious in my mind. -w-
Title: Window Vista
Post by: C-Chan on May 21, 2007, 03:45:38 pm
Meh,... nothing new really.  -v-

The world looked nice and dandy from the cleaned cloistered confines of Windows,... but once I ventured off into the real world of Operating Systems, I realized how ugly things are and used to be.  It's any wonder why some Linux gurus and/or developers seem bitter and elitist, when in fact they've lived under the continuous threat of litigation for years (that and hardware vendors who don't like them: http://hardware.newsforge.com/newsvac/07/05/17/1449249.shtml)

Something like a mix between Scenario 1 and 3 is likely in my opinion, but Scenario 2 would only be possible in the States.
Title: Re: Window Vista
Post by: vegetosayajin on October 22, 2007, 08:09:43 pm
Quote from: "time-time"Window Vista is on the market, Window XP will be gone soon any one disagree.

Widows Vista is an Experiment(unsuccessful one) and by my opinion the new version will be the true successor-and for XP-by my opinion it's gonna go away slower than 98 so don't worry about Vista :smoke:
Title: Window Vista
Post by: IanDanKilmaster on October 25, 2007, 07:38:20 am
Gah, Vista, had to do tech support for my aunt who had just bought an Acer that was pre-installed with that garbage.  Don't get me wrong, it's pretty, really pretty (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Windows_Aero.png), but that's really all that impressed me.  The whole reason I was called to help is because, apparently, Windows Mail (someone please tell me why the hell Microsoft has to change program names so damn much?) lacks webmail-based support (she formerly used her Hotmail account with XP and Outlook).  Which I think, no wait, I know is stupid.  Outlook 2003 had webmail support, why not Windows Mail?  I wouldn't be too surprised if Outlook 2007 offered it too, but why not Windows Mail?  Of course, Windows Mail supports POP3, buuuuut, since '04 MS has been charging for use of POP3 with Hotmail.  She could also install Windows Live Mail, which does support webmail, but is currently in beta (after explaining beta software a bit, she told me she didn't think she'd feel comfortable using it).  Also, Windows Live Mail doesn't install over Windows Mail, only disables it, and as far as I know, you're not supposed to uninstall Windows Mail beforehand... yeah, deadweight.  So let it be known that I used FOSS as a last resort on this one, with no other seemingly reasonable solution, I talked my aunt into letting me install T-Bird (which does support webmail) the next time I came over.  Well, what do you know, instead she returns the Acer to {department store named removed to protect us all from any potential desire to decry said store}, and instead orders a Gateway, supposedly with XP pre-installed (I don't know how that worked out, vendors tend to be pretty pushy about Vista, I guess I'll find out next time I get a call about computer problems).  Anyway, while I have to admit there were things about Vista I liked (obviously I was enamored with the interface, I also liked the new user setup), this problem, along with others I've read about, tells me that Windows users using XP really shouldn't seriously consider using Vista.  While XP really isn't my cup of tea when it comes to Windows OSes ('98 and 2k will do me fine, thank you), I'd still recommend it over Vista any day.  Call it bias if you want, but please be aware while I do run only Kubuntu on my primary computer (the one I'm using now in fact) I still run 2k on my secondary computer (it's not Linux, but there's not much I can hate about it), so you're dealing with someone who has had his own personal pleasant experiences with Windows.  While I may detest the business practices of certain figures at Microsoft, I think I have the maturity to not just be a fanboy and just call things straight.