http://www.wakachan.org/os/res/21972.html
QuoteA OS-tan OVA about 15 minutes long was produced by a small group called "Lab 29" around late 2005, It was Evangelion style show about the MacOS-tans, Steve Jobs/Apple's Lawyers took offense and had the DVDs removed from the market...
Hi. /r/ for torrent or any other downloadable link for this OVA.
Every time I asked around for that, I was always told it was a fake. That is to say, it's not an anime, just pictures.
I hope Os-tan series is animated one day.
Sadly that's not going to happen. With the usage of OS companies' trademarks, logos and such. Not to mention it would defeat the purpose of the OS-tans being a fan creation and would cause all OS-tans to have "set" character designs (even the "official" characters like ME-tan, XP-tan, etc. have variations to their designs in fanarts. Such as shade of haircolor, length, eye color...)
i was searching for this on LimeWire i a lot of file called mac os tan and number like 07, 30 or 40 i'm guessin there mainly all virus but will download at a net cafe i have just to c if there may be the real thing and not because i hate the net cafe hehehe, i try e-mule and e-dounky to if any wants to add to the p2p list go a head, the more vir .. err clip the better.
"If only, if only", the woodpecker said, "the bark on the tree was a soft as the sky!"
In this case, it was a joke. See this thread by the people who worship Steve Jobs like Shiva:
http://www.applegeeks.com/sm/index.php?topic=6673.0
I wonder if the same legal ramifications would apply to a fan-produced Anime?
Not that such a thing would be possible, since you have to coordinate lots of people to handle animation, scripting, voice acting, music, etc. At best, only a full-length manga is more realistic.
But if anything under the calibre of Hoshi no Koe were produced, then....
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hoshi_no_koe
Ah yes, Makoto. The dude that does everything himself. ...most of it anyway. I loved Tenmon's composing in Beyond the Clouds. I don't recall any of his pieces in Hoshi no Koe... Never stuck in my head.
Well, I wouldn't put flash animation to the wayside. It is quite possible to make a good fan-anime using that. I've seen many projects with good animation and even going so far as holding an online audition for voice actors. None seem to have materialized, but it is possible.
The problem, it seems, is school. High school, college, whatever... it's school that screws everything up for them. I'm just speculating at this point: Too many people gone, and by the time they're back, they're a disorganized mess. You can get a large team online, but you need something to keep contact with them at all times.
School is always the problem. Look at my airport. I was making great progress over the summer, but I have barely done anything since the start of the school year. But I do think a flash animation would work. Does anyone know flash?
*raises hoof* Oiii.... -v-
In fact, eons ago I produced two short animated sequences parodying stuff from Card Captor Sakura using different characters. The first one wasn't very good, but it had music and closed captioned-style subtitles to compensate for the lack of voiceover. The second one was all music and a little smoother. Time expenditure wasn't that bad, but other projects eventually got in the way, and its been years since I've done a Flash animation like that. ^^'
Shouldn't be too hard to get back to it though, since it's all vector graphics like Inkscape. -v-
If a small Anime were attempted, not only Flash but Poser should also be necessary, especially if working with non-chibi characters. That way, the proportions can be kept consistent through all the keyframes.
Music is no problem, but naturally voiceovers are gonna be hell. ^^'
In lieu of a dedicated "staff", sound manipulation technology (like Soundforge) might be necessary. Or just a lot of improvisation.
Especially when it comes to vintage-tans and their old exploits, makeing the anime styled as an early 20th century silent film would be king of interesting. ^^'
*thinks*
Old style...vintage-tans...this could be interesting!
*gears turn*
What if we were to make a short flash, somewhere under two minutes, in the older anime style (aka something like Astroboy), with one of our vintage-tans in a sort of poorly-dubbed tribute to the saintly days of yore?
*gears turn*
How 'bout we do a tribute to The Seven Samurai, except with Apple ][-tan as a villager and 95-san as a samurai?
*gears turn*
Or perhaps we'd want to explore the new territory involved with the original Troubled Windows TV Show? Perhaps a sort of commercial explaining the series and giving an intro to the show? Or a part of one episode that is funny on its own (like that scene in Mahoromatic Season 2 with the breast-o-vac)?
*starts plotting*
I can see it all now:
Season 1: Troubled Windows
Season 2: Troubled Windows Again
Season 3: Troubled Windows ~Kraftwerk~
Season 4: Troubled Windows? Saseko!
Season 5: Troubled Windows? Magister Emui Magi
(BTW, "Magi" is not a word that means magician in Latin. I think it's just a loanword. A Flying Turtle to anyone who can correctly find all the references in my titles)
You gotta admire NewYinzer's appreciation for Vintage-tans. ^___^
You make me wanna sit down and draw PilotOS [aka 'Xerox Star'] -tan right here and now! ^v^
(do have a preconcept design/personality in mind, though -- kind of a cross between Porco from Porco Rosso and Momo from Xenosaga III).
QuoteWhat if we were to make a short flash, somewhere under two minutes, in the older anime style (aka something like Astroboy), with one of our vintage-tans in a sort of poorly-dubbed tribute to the saintly days of yore?
Feasible, but never really quite liked that style of flat animation. I'd go the extra mile, and simulate the black and white (or beige and white films), with flickering, dust, scratches, poor audio, etc.
Still, that kind of animation would let us get away with a lot of cheating (as far as the animation goes... ^^)
QuoteHow 'bout we do a tribute to The Seven Samurai, except with Apple ][-tan as a villager and 95-san as a samurai?
Whoops,... guess I have to go pick up a copy then. ^^'
Presumably Apple ][-tan was a once a great fighter (a true "revolutionary", so to speak), but haven't given much thought as to how she'd fair nowadays against even half-modern -tans like 95-tan. She is very wise, and undoubtedly knows karate (after all, karate started out as a farmer's martial art), but probably prefers to leave true life-and-death combat to GSOS-tan.
QuoteOr perhaps we'd want to explore the new territory involved with the original Troubled Windows TV Show? Perhaps a sort of commercial explaining the series and giving an intro to the show? Or a part of one episode that is funny on its own (like that scene in Mahoromatic Season 2 with the breast-o-vac)?
*starts plotting*
I can see it all now:
Season 1: Troubled Windows
Season 2: Troubled Windows Again
Season 3: Troubled Windows ~Kraftwerk~
Season 4: Troubled Windows? Saseko!
Season 5: Troubled Windows? Magister Emui Magi
(BTW, "Magi" is not a word that means magician in Latin. I think it's just a loanword. A Flying Turtle to anyone who can correctly find all the references in my titles)
Haha,... that would require focusing entirely on those infernal Windows-tans, no? ^v^'
Fufufu,... you know where this is going.... -v-
But it's definitely obvious that you're watching Love Hina right now... ^v^'
In any case, I've been thinking about this for a while today, and assuming I get a little time after my major pics, I would love to try either of these two test runs first:
A) A really short and whimsical clip featuring Commodore PETchan (and by default, KameLOGO-kun), Apple ][-tan, and Atari DOS-tan [aka Atari 8-bit], who in the pseudo-storyline make up an inseparable trio of sorts. -v-
All are fairly self-conscious that this is a test, and try doing some crazy acts and performances despite being obviously old-fashioned. Animation is standard modern cel-shading and color, with a lot of SD for humor and to cheap out on keyframing. ^^'
Yellow subtitles and music would be used to compensate for lack of speech.
B) A more serious, black & white, "nickelodeon"-style film that depicts the "Birth of Windows". A "young" Bill Gates is implied in the beginning first seconds, but the rest of the film features a very young Windows 1.0-tan, MSDOS-tan, PCDOS-tan, and the then family caretaker Xenix-san. The short movie would be an homage/parody of the opening of Rozen Maiden: Traumend, and will even feature the same beautiful music piece. It's styled after a silent film, so although there won't be subtitles, you'll still have the occasional black screen with words.
B! B! B!
Go with B! It think it's simple enough to do, without having to delve too deep into voice acting or a complex plot line.
QuoteBut it's definitely obvious that you're watching Love Hina right now... ^v^'
Close but no flying turtle. The first two are obviously parodies of Love Hina and Love Hina Again. The third references the second season of Rozen Maiden, which is often written Rozen Maiden ~Traumend~, except I've added a bit of German to it (Kraftwerk=powerplant). The fourth references Full Metal Panic? Fumoffu! The final one is obvious - it references Negima? Magister Negi Magi, except with Me-tan. As for the term "magi", it means mage. I was wrong. Thanks for playing!
Okey-dokey. ^__^
I was thinking the same thing, since A required some actual material to think up and research. I had some humorous ideas for the trio, but not for this particular exercise (rather for an episode of my pseudo-storyline). ^^'
Plus I'd really like to introduce Xenix-san, since she's an unsung hero for so many modern-day computer users. -___-
Anyway, let's get this theoretical ball rolling.... ^___^
Let's start off easy with the music.
If anyone here is unfamiliar with Rozen Maiden, the musical piece I'm referring to is entitled "Creation", and is track 2 of the Rozen Maiden Traumend OST. Here's a copy to listen to, although I modified it to give it the kind of old sound quality that would be used in our proposed mini-Anime. ^__^
http://www.verytragicalmirth.com/Images/Creation.mp3
Headphones are recommended, since speakers might smooth out the antiquated feel. -v-'
QuoteIf anyone here is unfamiliar with Rozen Maiden, the musical piece I'm referring to is entitled "Creation", and is track 2 of the Rozen Maiden Traumend OST. Here's a copy to listen to, although I modified it to give it the kind of old sound quality that would be used in our proposed mini-Anime. ^__^
Indeed...very mysterious music! I'd go with it! As for plot, I'm as dry as a lake! I'll have to get back to you for fresh ideas!
hows this newyins?
Season 6: troubled windows: something more buggy
:P
Anyhow, I know some flash and very shortly I will be going to the art institute of seattle for an animation degree. I might be able to do something later as a school project. however for now, im too busy working on the comic. Also if i did it it would be with the better os-tans ;) not any of those vintage type ones.. tho maybe 2.0, she can come too.
However, on an admin note Im moving this thread from general chat to os tan fanfics and such, as that is where it fits best. also someone should get on that request.. or at least validate its nonexistance or doctoration. We should know one way or the other.
Ano,... Captain-san.... ^^;
Technically-speaking, I'm already knee deep in this request already.... -v-;
Not a full-blow OVA, mind you -- just a mini little 2-minute Rozen Maiden Parody. -v-
Still wondering how I got myself involved in yet another project, but figure it'd be nice experiment, and a way to get me used to Flash animation again. Plus I wanna draw Xenix-san badly. -v-
Good call on moving the thread,.. wasn't really crazy with where it was originally. -_-
And no dissing vintage-tans. Marines may be the ones patroling heaven, but it's the vintage-tans who give out the wings to get there.. `v'
*kneels down on ground* In the name of the Prophet, the Goddess and the Holy Kitten....
[does best Integra Hellsing impersonation] Aaaiii-men.... -o-
QuoteIndeed...very mysterious music! I'd go with it! As for plot, I'm as dry as a lake! I'll have to get back to you for fresh ideas!
More like beautiful and uplifting I'd say, but true probably mysterious for anyone who hasn't seen the series. -v-
Anyway, don't worry about the plot, as the one bonus that "B" had was that the premise already existed in my head.
If you remember how Traumend starts, the latter part should be easy to visualize....
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*music starts*
> [blank screen]
> [title page] *Note: old movies always began with title page
> [maybe some brief credits]
> [scene opens to bright over-exposed view of the inside of a lobby; two figures are barely visible in the light, one taller than the other]
> [close profile shot of Gates staring out the window; only a portion of his face and gleaming glasses are visible; his lips move briefly]
>
"I leave the rest to you."> [close frontal shot of woman; only half her chest, neck and mouth are visible]
> [she presses her hand against her chest and bows with reverence]
>
"Yes, My Lord"> [return to shot of bright lobby]
> [taller figure (Gates) walks off towards the left of the screen]
> [bowed woman straightens up, then walks off in the opposite direction]
> [switch to black screen]
> [door opens, flooding light into the room that was the black screen; only the woman's silhoutte is visible here]
> [several dark passing shots follow of computers turned off, stacks of 5 1/2" floppies, empty cubicles and offices, dot matrix printers, etc.]
> [woman opens yet another door, but this time to a large, well-lit, and elegant room]
> [woman walks forward from behind the camera, with PCDOS and MSDOS running towards her, dressed in their old victorian-era dresses; their lips move with excitement] *Note: they don't use their school uniforms until years later; visit the gallery for a picture of DOS-chan in her black dress.
>
"Xenix-san, Xenix-san! Is it almost time?!">
"Eh.">
"I'm so happy! She'll be like a little sister!"> [slow zoom-in shot of a motionless Windows 1.0-tan sitting on an elegant chair; she is in the form of a toddler, with clothes from Aurora's original design] *Note: the dress I drew for her was given to her by the Vintage-tans MANY years later.
> [close-up shot of Xenix' legs (actually skirt) walking forward, with PCDOS and MSDOS right behind her on either side]
> [side shot of the motionless Windows 1.0-tan on the chair; Xenix bends over with a floppy in her hand]
> [an angled shot showing Xenix inserting the floppy in 1.0-tan's back]
> [side shot of MSDOS and PCDOS spectating -- somewhat resembling same shot of Suiseiseki and Souseiseki in Traumend]
> [return to frontal view of 1.0-tan on the chair, only this time Xenix' shadow is seen pulling back]
>
"Please awaken." *Xenix says this
> [closeup of 1.0-tan's hand twitching]
> [another frontal shot from a different angle sees her slowly moving; she tries to lift herself off the chair but ends up sliding limply onto the ground.]
>
"DOS-san..." *Note: Xenix doesn't like using "chan" or "tan", and besides is respectful even to the children of the household.
> [MSDOS hurries over to help pick up the smaller 1.0-tan, and beams a smile of encouragement; PCDOS is right behind her, muttering some friendly words of encouragement]
>
"You can do it!">
"Sou sou!" *MSDOS says this
> [1.0-tan is walking slowly and roughly -- think Shinku -- while still holding on tightly to MSDOS-tan] *Should worth noting that we still don't see 1.0-tan's face yet
> [side shot of Xenix crouched on the ground, arms stretched out invitingly; her lips move]
>
"You can do it...."> [close-up of 1.0-tan's little hand letting go of MSDOS-tan's hand]
*music swells*
> [close-up of 1.0-tan's foot taking her first step on her own]
> [front shot of 1.0-tan still walking slowly and roughly (towards Xenix), but now unassisted; MSDOS and PCDOS are covering their mouths with joy, their eyes glistening]
> [first face shot of Xenix-san shows her as a keen, but soft-featured and noble-looking woman, with a large X-shaped bow behind her head; her left hand is still outstretched invitingly, as she slowly enunciates a few more words]
>
"Very good, child." > [return to frontal shot of 1.0-tan, only by know she's close enough that only the top-half of her body is visible; she's slowly swaying back and forth, closer and closer towards the camera.] *Again, think of Shinku.
> [Once she gets close enough so that her down-turned face takes up the entire view, she slowly lifts her face up, cocks her head slightly to the side and beams an innocent smile into the camera.]
*as music ends...*
> [fade to white]
>
"Happy Birthday,... Windows-san." *Xenix says this -- should be written in black lettering
> [fade to white again]
> [have cliche effect of old film reel ending]
*end clip here*
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So there you have it. -v-
Not particularly "plot-driven" and clearly a Rozen Maiden parody, but it should offer an interesting test of the "home-brewed" anime concept. The goal is to give it the look and feel of one.
Thats why you dont get 2.0 and 3.1sama, beloved by all, frolicing done, you and your side projects!! >:|
As for the thread moveal, thats just me trying to pretend they gave me admin rights for a reason. Trying to make myself mildy more uesfull then pitkin-san.....
and you know why they hand out the wings to go to heaven? Cus their dead and beried bwahahaha!
Sorry you asked for that one. No way a marine wasnt gonna counter that comment with anything other then a sledge hammer blow.
in the name of the prophet the goddess and the holy kitten.
Admittedly, I should've seen that coming. ^^'
Feel free to recommend additions to the script, to make it seem more "vintage" or appropriate to the operating systems.
(DOS-chans should talk like they were using a command prompt, and Xenix in Vi, for example)
I am no writter, thats why i have not worked on the comic project much till now
Writter.....? ^^;
...........
....Well, in any case, I'll see what I can do while I'm off on my "vacation". Doubt I'll do much for this movie, as my priority still goes to my drawings (eComstation > Windows 2.0/3.11-sama > UNIX-sama).
But if I do find the time, some storyboards wouldn't hurt.
The short and sweet of it is that you mustn't close this thread just yet. ^__^'
Anyway, see y'all later. ^__^
*trots off*
I like it! Go with the idea, since I'm still plot-dry.
Nothing is greater then 3.1sama and 2.0-chan NOTHING!!!!
Hehe, those greater symbols are supposed to be arrows. ^^'
But quid pro quo.... if 3.1-sama is so great, why did you put Suigintou in your AVI? `v'
Instead of the holier version:
(http://ostan-collections.net/imeeji/albums/userpics/10274/1136810351996.jpg)
Blasphemy, I say! The Captain's being blasphemous. ^0^
See...? 3.1sama loves Suigintou too so its okay!!
As promised, I'm moving the Captain's holiday gift over to this thread, since it's now technically a "movie" in the making. ^^'
Not that the micro OVA will be this simple, but I needed something to get me back into the swing of things with Flash. -v-
First, the preconcept:
(http://www.verytragicalmirth.com/Images/SuperTans.png)
Essentially, the Prophet, the Goddess and the Holy Kitten doing a holiday Para Para. ^___^
Next, the beta....
Flash Animation Experiment (http://www.verytragicalmirth.com/Images/Win2-Win3-DOSKitty.swf)
I still need to figure out the best way to move the arms, since the Flash vector graphics are a HELLUVA lot clunkier to work with than I remembered them to be.
It's no wonder I preferred raster graphics years ago. -.-
If not for the motion/shape tweening, I'd probably be better off creating each individual frame myself in Inkscape. ^^
Second experiment with motion.... -v-
I know it seems a bit choppy, but the original SuperGals Para Para eyecatch is really not all that different (though Flash does tend to choppen things up). ^^'
The current frame rate is set at 13fps, which I think is Anime default. -v-
http://www.verytragicalmirth.com/Images/Win2a.swf
Oh hohoho, that looks fun! ^o^ I like the way she shakes her coat and hair, but legs' movement is a bit strange; is it only because it's still the second experiment? ^^;
Apart from the legs, Win2.0-san's clearly having a great time! ^__^ *mimicks her movement*
Thank you Pitkin-dono. ^___^
To answer your question, yes and no....
Yes, it is still experimental and I was primarily concerned with the arm twirling. The rest of the body movement I just quickly slapped together so it wouldn't look freakish. ^v^'
And no, because Flash is still EXTREMELY clunky with vector graphics, and I couldn't really move shapes and vectors around as intuitively as I can with Inkscape. Maybe it's just that I need more training in it, but I'm thinking of recreating her whole body movement frame by frame in Inkscape. ^v^'
(Currently, only the arms are frame-by-frame, and for this particular motion I only need 8 frames. The way I have it now, each body movement takes up two frames and shape/motion tweening is not working as it should [big surprise there.... -v-'])
Flash will still be very useful with simple Anime techniques like panning, bobbing, looping, voiceover, etc....
But for complex animations, for now it's faster to stick to the old fashioned way. -v-
Time for Experiment #3... ^v^
(http://www.verytragicalmirth.com/Images/win2.gif)
Due to my less than happy performance with Flash-animated body movements, I redrew the dancing Windows 2.0-chan frame-by-frame in Inkscape. Not terribly hard thanks to layerng and old-fashioned tracing techniques, but took a while to get used to this kind of thing again. ^__^
And since it's frame by frame, I didn't bother exporting to SWF this time. Now it's in a beautiful compact GIF format for all the non-Flash enabled world to see! ^v^
My only gripe is that the speed of the animated GIF is a bit inconsistent -- sometimes she moves slowly, and other times she looks like she's high on something. ^^'
that comes from improper tweening :P
Why I outta improper you~! >0<
Nah, it's probably all ImageReady's fault, since the animation is much slower on its screen than on the export version. Each frame delay was set at 0.07 second intervals. I've gone ahead and bumped that to 0.08 second intervals, and the result looks slightly better on most browsers.... certainly closer to the original SuperGals para para. ^^
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Hmmm,... looking at it from yet another computer, with IE this time....
Maybe I should try bumping that even further to 0.09s intervals. Ã,¬_Ã,¬
The dancing Windows 2-tan is very cute!
Keep on dancin'! :D
i say we make an alternative meatspin with her :P
same song, different image lol! XD
GAH!! Why I outta meatspin you! >0<
*chuckles*
Or better yet, say you wanna do a meatspin with 3.1-sama and DOSkitty. ^__^
That way, the Captain will kindly tear you to bits and pieces for me. ^v^
*sinister chuckle* -v-
Oh and thank you, Aurora-sama. ^__^
Yep, that's still just a 1/4 of her moves, so there's more dancin' to come. ^v^
Plus the same routine to 3.1-sama and DOSkitty,...
By GAWD, it's gonna be nauseatingly cute when it's done! ^v^
Hmm... This is only a thought
If we re the only/first who make a (small) Anime/OVA from Troubled Windows. this forum will explode because all those fans all over the world will come here to watch it.(that would be cool isn't it?)
And we will get famous XD.
I will help (to create this anime/Ova), If i can (and possible)
SHHSSH keep it down! theyll hear hear you! more members means more work for the mod, and I like being a lazy mod that isnt needed ;_:
QuoteSHHSSH keep it down! theyll hear hear you! more members means more work for the mod, and I like being a lazy mod that isnt needed ;_:
Haha! ^v^
Since I'm a Wiki Mod now, I suppose I can sympathize.... ^v^'
But not to worry,... in theory, Thurosis-san is correct cause, while images are plentiful and comics are mildly abundant, OS-tan videos are still relatively rare and could attract a bit more attention. -v-
In practice....
They're gonna make very little impact, for the simple reason that I won't have XP-tan fluttering her boobs on screen. ^^;
QuoteIf we re the only/first who make a (small) Anime/OVA from Troubled Windows. this forum will explode because all those fans all over the world will come here to watch it.(that would be cool isn't it?)
So yeah, not sure if this micro OVA is what you think, since it won't feature (at least not immediately) and of the original Troubled Windows cast. ^^;
I'm more of a proponent of underrepresented OS-tans, so my first micro OVA will take place in 1985, and feature characters that predate even the oldest members of the Troubled Windows cast.... -v-;
[Judging from this picture... http://ostan-collections.net/imeeji/albums/userpics/10570/1143754439695.jpg ...that would be Windows 95 (1995), Windows NT (1994) and Linux (1991)]
Second micro-OVA will take place a little later and feature Windows 2.0-tan and Windows 3.11-sama (then 3.0-tan) -- slightly better, but still no sign of Troubled Windows. ^^;
(Incidentally, this one will be an experiment in artificial Japanese voice acting.... -v-)
Third micro-OVA will take place in the present day, but will still feature three EXTREMELY OLD OS-tans that were around when MSDOS was in diapers. The closest hint to anything resembling the Troubled Windows cast is a quick reference to Windows 95 OSR 2.5-sama... ^^;
Original material helps cut down on Deja Vu potential and will offer something new, refreshing and educational (wonder if you've ever heard of Xenix?). ^^
Nonetheless, it will definitely be a challenge given that we're essentially reinventing the wheel and we have to be adept at history a little more than with modern OSes. -v-
If you're still interested, please let me know and maybe I can hook you up with something. There's plenty for everyone to do on this project. ^___^
I will help ^^ if i can, but the only thing that i can do right now is drawing (Manga style)
If someone teach me how to draw in Animation quality (like those from Deja vu) that would be great.
Because my coloring quality reachs only this (right now): http://ostan-collections.net/imeeji/thumbnails.php?album=73
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btw i search with google but i didn't find anything about those micro-Ova...
(or did i missunderstand something? I'm a german chinese man and my english isn't that great (right now)^^")
QuoteI will help ^^ if i can, but the only thing that i can do right now is drawing (Manga style)
If someone teach me how to draw in Animation quality (like those from Deja vu) that would be great.
Because my coloring quality reachs only this (right now): http://ostan-collections.net/imeeji/thumbnails.php?album=73
Well I would hardly call that "only" -- the characters are drawn exquisitely and with great detail. ^___^
To draw in an animation-quality Anime style would kinda be a regression of sorts, since the emphasis is on quantity rather than quality.
That's something you should think overcarefully.... -v-
(Oh, and I wouldn't mention Deja Vu as an example, btw, since that's considered unlucky in our business.... ^^;)
If you're still interested, for sure I would love to teach you at least my techniques (I'm dying to teach SOMEONE). The only problem is that I would have to get you used to a vector graphics program,... so unless you use one now, you might feel like a fish out of water at first. ^__^
Fortunately, as with regular Anime, raster graphics are still used a lot (for backgrounds, crowded scenes, and stuff), so it's not like I wouldn't be able to use your native talent. ^___^
Plus there are many additional tasks that can be done, but I'll get into more if you'd like to hear about them. ^.^
Quotebtw i search with google but i didn't find anything about those micro-Ova...
(or did i missunderstand something? I'm a german chinese man and my english isn't that great (right now)^^")
That shouldn't come as a surprise, since "micro-OVA" is a phrase I coined. ^__^
It's what I call a small Anime-style movie that's only a few minutes duration in length, but still should retain the look and feel of its longer counterparts.
In the case of my first experimental micro-OVA, the duration will be shy over 2.5 minutes.
The second one might be 6-7 minutes.
The third maybe a bit longer.
Feel free to look over the proposed script...
http://ostan-collections.net/post-9745.html#9745
...and music....
http://www.verytragicalmirth.com/Images/Creation.mp3
...for the first micro-oVA.
It is meant as a parody of an existing anime scene (with no voice acting), so in theory it should be an easy movie to conduct our experiment with. ^___^
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Well I would hardly call that "only" -- the characters are drawn exquisitely and with great detail. ^___^
thanks ^^" it is good to hear that ^^
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To draw in an animation-quality Anime style would kinda be a regression of sorts, since the emphasis is on quantity rather than quality.
That's something you should think overcarefully.... -v-
Okay! (I never notice that because i thought both are important)
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(Oh, and I wouldn't mention Deja Vu as an example, btw, since that's considered unlucky in our business.... ^^;)
okay I won't do that anymore but why is it unlucky?
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If you're still interested, for sure I would love to teach you at least my techniques (I'm dying to teach SOMEONE). The only problem is that I would have to get you used to a vector graphics program,... so unless you use one now, you might feel like a fish out of water at first. ^__^
I'm really interested in drawing techniques because I like to improve my self (in drawing). The reason why i like that started for 3-4 years when i was 15 i always want to be a manga/animation drawer/painter (I still want to)
i don't know what a "vector graphic program" is but i use sometimes the "Photoshop CS" to correct/improve my pictures. I know i don't know everything about Photoshop (short : My know-how are only the basics about that program)
but i 'm ready to learn more ^^
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Fortunately, as with regular Anime, raster graphics are still used a lot (for backgrounds, crowded scenes, and stuff), so it's not like I wouldn't be able to use your native talent. ^___^
like i said before i'll help where i can (aslong there is a small scene in the micro-OVA where stands who helped)
I'm looking forward to help, but i must say that before! because i work at a hotel and sometimes there is really busy ...
ah yes -_- our major artistic disagreeance... quality over quantity... dont listen to the pig!! If you want to become the best artist you can, you have to take every peice seriosly and try to do it better then the last!!
Quoteah yes -_- our major artistic disagreeance... quality over quantity... dont listen to the pig!! If you want to become the best artist you can, you have to take every peice seriosly and try to do it better then the last!!
Nein, nein, nein! ^0^
Thurosis-san works at a hotel and I work at a computer-intensive environment myself. If we want adequate results NOW, we have to do the most with the resources we have on hand! Cut corners, enhance efficiency, focus on personality depth and stories. It's all free artwork anyway and in a relatively-small niche market to boot,... so just by the law of diminishing returns alone, uber-high quality pictures may not garner much more net worth (in terms of praise and fame) than cheaper ones. -v-'
Besides, you can debate quality for pictures, but the rules of the game do a major U-turn when it comes to video animation. ^___^
Less is not only more,... it's practically survival. ^.^
The whole reason why cel-animation is so prominent in Japan, and old Disney flicks had little or no shading. ^___^'
The key goal is to combine various multi-dimensional cheap components to create one masterful art production. And in relatively small length of time, so you can start work on others ASAP, and improve both style and efficiency!! ^v^
...
Anyway, sorry I spent most of my time on that speech, Thurosis-san. ^__^
Hold that thought,... I'll get back to you with the rest of your response, and the technicalities later today. -v-
*trots off*
Bah, maybe if you want to prance aorund in a bunny costume for internet glory like Chiu! But an artist craves more then that!! We want to master our art, and if people enjoy the pictures we draw and the storys we tell then so beit! Never sacrifice your art for glory or fame.. thats... what do they call that?
selling out T_T
Phew,... good thing I'm no artist then.... ^^;
Those are some big shoes to fill from what I hear.... -v-;
My mission is purely educational. ^___^
I want people to realize, like I had the luxury of these past few months, that the world needn't revolve around Windows alone.
Monopolies be damned! Let variety reign supreme! ^v^
Quote from: "CaptBrenden"If you want to become the best artist you can, you have to take every peice seriosly and try to do it better then the last!!
I never said that i want to be the best artist because in my own opinion every artist have his/her own style, so at the end no-one is better than the other but they are different( I want to say: There are no better or worse.) The only differences between us artist are: how long we done it already and how many experience we made.
And if I work that hard that I can be the best artist i think I'll die in the next few seconds caused by exhaustion ;014
But that doesn't mean that I disagree with your opinion because your right too, because if want a good picture I must take it seriously and if i want to improve I must try to do it better than the last time!^^
But I won't stop to improve myself in drawing or in learning new skills and techniques.
Added after 19 minutes: Quote from: "CaptBrenden"We want to master our art, and if people enjoy the pictures we draw and the storys we tell then so beit! Never sacrifice your art for glory or fame
That's true. And I want that the peoples enjoy my pictures and stories.
But at the begining, when I started to draw Mangas and pictures, thought the same way C-Chan I always thought: be better in drawing and then get famous and rich... but I realize that this was a mistake because, after a while so about 2 years,(draw since 4 years now) (i improved really fast) I was never satisfied with my own pics.
but isn't that a mistake that many artist made at the begining?
Anooooo..... ^^;
I don't believe I used rich and famous in what I said..... ^v^;
On the contrary, methinks I used "free" more than once. ^.^;
The videos themselves are also free, btw,... so aside from a few perks I can offer, it's up to you whether you want to volunteer your time to work on something new and exciting, but still relatively obscure and experimental..... T__T;
There will be credits of course,... ALL movies have credits. ^^
T_T then your a sell out.. for free. I see how much your pride costs!
And windows should dominate the tans!! And 3.1sama will rule them all.. Fufufufu ~you fools!
Quote from: "C-Chan"Anooooo..... ^^;
I don't believe I used rich and famous in what I said..... ^v^;
On the contrary, methinks I used "free" more than once. ^.^;
The videos themselves are also free, btw,... so aside from a few perks I can offer, it's up to you whether you want to volunteer your time to work on something new and exciting, but still relatively obscure and experimental..... T__T;
There will be credits of course,... ALL movies have credits. ^^
Oh i' m sorry i misunderstood again -.- sorry (as i said before here or at an other topic) i'm not quite good in english...
Gomen-na-sai !!!
Added after 3 minutes: Quote from: "CaptBrenden"T_T then your a sell out.. for free. I see how much your pride costs!
And windows should dominate the tans!! And 3.1sama will rule them all.. Fufufufu ~you fools!
I never sold a pic! As i said before i want that people enjoy my works!
That woud be cool if 3.1 sama controls them all hehehehe....
YEAH! 3.1sama rulez ^^"
QuoteT_T then your a sell out.. for free. I see how much your pride costs!
And windows should dominate the tans!! And 3.1sama will rule them all.. Fufufufu ~you fools!
GAHAHA!!! ^v^
If you think that's cheap, you should've seen me at Youmacon Artist Alley. ^___^'
I swear some of my neighbors hated me.... -v-'
And yeah, she "Should". Too bad she can't. Fufufu.... ^___^
Sorry, I couldn't resist sinning. Time to put the perks of religion to good use. ^v^
In the name of the Prophet, the Goddess and the Holy Kitten... Amen.... -v-
*feels magically forgiven*
QuoteOh i' m sorry i misunderstood again -.- sorry (as i said before here or at an other topic) i'm not quite good in english...
Gomen-na-sai !!!
That's fine, I remember you telling me that. ^__^
Just next time, always remember that the pig is always nice. ^.^
Anything I say that sounds mean or disparaging is probably just your imagination. ^v^'
Fufufu.... -.-
Nah just kidding,...
But seriously, don't feel embarrassed to ask for clarification if something doesn't sound clear. -v-
QuoteI never sold a pic! As i said before i want that people enjoy my works!
That woud be cool if 3.1 sama controls them all hehehehe....
YEAH! 3.1sama rulez ^^"
In this case, for example, methinks he was referring to /Cchan. ^^
I myself have sold a few drawings, but for dirt cheap (hence I sold out) and for charitable purposes. (I was also fairly generous with free giveways, mainly to young girls who were dressed in cute cosplay and an aspiring 12-year old artist, and that memorable energetic 16-year old girl who lost the autograph of her favorite seiyuu). Didn't do much to increase the traffic to this site, however, as not many people were at all versed in OS-tans. -v-
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In any case, time to talk business as far as this micro-OVA goes. ^__^
Give me one second...
*starts typing*
Added after 27 minutes: QuoteOkay! (I never notice that because i thought both are important)
When you look at standard Anime titles (not Miyazaki ones, for example), look carefully, and see how often characters stand perfectly still, moving only their lips and maybe occasionally their eyelids.
The overall production value is so good (as far as color, sharpness, story, music, sound, drama, detail, etc), you barely notice all the cheap tricks used. But they're there for the most part, and help make sure the episode is created in time for the TV air date (or OVA/movie release date, whichever is the case).
Might also shed some light as to why Anime endings are often fairly rushed. ^^;
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okay I won't do that anymore but why is it unlucky?
Fufufu.... read the section entitled "
Dispute between Futaba Society and Deja Vu".
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Os-tan
If you want to understand the OS-tan world further, you need to be acquainted with its ugly side too. ^.^'
QuoteI'm really interested in drawing techniques because I like to improve my self (in drawing). The reason why i like that started for 3-4 years when i was 15 i always want to be a manga/animation drawer/painter (I still want to)
i don't know what a "vector graphic program" is but i use sometimes the "Photoshop CS" to correct/improve my pictures. I know i don't know everything about Photoshop (short : My know-how are only the basics about that program)
but i 'm ready to learn more ^^
Excellent, I like when people are willing to do more. ^__^
Judging from your drawings and your use of Photoshop, I'm guessing your primary approach is to work by hand first, then do post-production on your computer using raster graphics.
Raster graphics are essentially the equivalent of "ink" to a computer -- when you draw using the paintbrush tool in Photoshop, you're essentially splashing pixels onto the screen. This is why programs like Photoshop and Manga Studio are more artist-friendly -- because they better approximate the tools you use in real life.
Vector graphics, on the other hand, are more abstract. Instead of drawing your lines, you plot start, intermediate and end points, and then use bezier curves to morph into the desired shape. The lines are clean and uniform, the shapes can be automatically filled with color, and everything can be reshaped and repositioned at will. This is why I always say that vector graphics editing is more similar to sculpting than drawing.
A lot of artists prefer to use vector graphics program just to clean up lines for inking (and then switch to raster for coloring and shading.
In my case, I use vectors for EVERYTHING, and use Photoshop only when rendering advanced effects or quick soft-shading. The end result works for me because the modern-day Anime style is flat and angular (with emphrasis placed on detail instead), precisely the way art usually looks with vectors. ^__^
If you're interested in trying this out, download this free program....
http://www.inkscape.org/
...and play around with it a bit to see what I'm talking about. If you need instructions, I can happily provide. ^__^
Bear in mind, there are many other ways to help me out with the micro-OVAs.
Here are some of the non-keyframe animation rendering jobs available:
Raster Graphics Editor (for raster images)
Music Mixer (for later micro-OVAs)
Japanese Language Writer (to correct my invitable grammar mistakes) ^^'
Sound Pitch Modulator (for when I do artificial voice acting)
Special Effects Maker
Flash Editor
Historian (to help flesh out personalities of vintage OS-tans).
Commentator (to review posts and provide feedback on storyboards, art direction, etc.)[/list]
And maybe some others I haven't thought of yet. -v-
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Raster Graphics Editor (for raster images)
Music Mixer (for later micro-OVAs)
Japanese Language Writer (to correct my invitable grammar mistakes) ^^'
Sound Pitch Modulator (for when I do artificial voice acting)
Special Effects Maker
Flash Editor
Historian (to help flesh out personalities of vintage OS-tans).
Commentator (to review posts and provide feedback on storyboards, art direction, etc.)[/list]
where can i get these things?? but as i said before i can only draw -.-"...
i can play one music (ode to joy ^^) on the violin but nothing more (i begann to play violin for a month or so hehehe... (I m just a bloody-beginner hehehe)
Added after 13 minutes: i it sadly... tried the inkscape but i can't draw with the computer-mouse...
what can i do ??
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where can i get these things?? but as i said before i can only draw -.-"...
Well, those aren't apps, but just rather tasks that need to be done, albeit with fancy names. I'll explain more about them later. ^__^
Quotei can play one music (ode to joy ^^) on the violin but nothing more (i begann to play violin for a month or so hehehe... (I m just a bloody-beginner hehehe)
As far as music is concerned, I think we can forego the luxury of composing our own for the time being. By music "mixing", one simply takes existing music and shifts it around with unrelated music to form a new soundtrack. For the first micro-OVA, this is unnecessary, since the whole test will use a single theme.
Quotei it sadly... tried the inkscape but i can't draw with the computer-mouse...
what can i do ??
Hehe,... well, that's vector graphics. ^__^
Like I said, it's not a program you "draw", rather you sculpt with. ^v^
The only exception are two buttons on the left toolbar, the one that looks like a
pencil, the other that looks like a
fountain pen.
If you select the pencil, then you can freeform on the screen like with any drawing program. However, it is still vectors, so when you're done you'll end up with an object riddled with anchors to get it to look the way you draw. These can be easily repositioned, in order to fix anything that wasn't drawn properly.
Later on I'll be making a separate thread that serves as an Inkscape
tutorial -- I'll go over how to start, how to trace, how to draw sample characters, etc. I'll try to make it with pictures too, so when Fedora-dono makes the Comic Page, I can load it there too for easy reading. ^__^
Since there's no rush to create the movie yet, you might consider waiting until that's done before you can say for sure that vector graphics are for you. ^___^
Okay, then i wait for the tutorial
Fortunately you've got your own manga to work on while I write up the necessary training material. ^__^
I take it you're a Rozen Maiden fan, btw, so the first micro-OVA might be of interest to you. -v-
.....Alrighty then, I'm off. ^__^
*trots away to work on half-a-dozen projects*
Quote from: "C-Chan"Fortunately you've got your own manga to work on while I write up the necessary training material. ^__^
I'm ready with my manga sice 2 month for the manga competition if you mean that. ^_^ But right now i'm drawing some pics from my manga and a fan-pic from OS-tan ^__^
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I take it you're a Rozen Maiden fan, btw, so the first micro-OVA might be of interest to you. -v-
Not only that ! ^^ I 'm always interested in making animes! Rozen Maiden is the anime that I most like! Nothing (in my opinion) is/was better than Rozen Maiden
I couldn't wait so long so i created a small gif animation (right now i don't have the right color pencils so i couldn't color it )
this isn't much but this my first fan-art from Os-tan too hehehe... ^_^
http://ostan-collections.net/imeeji/displayimage.php?album=75&pos=0
but i hope you all like it ;001
Quotei hope you all like it
Sugoku sugoi! Bravo!
Quotethis isn't much but this my first fan-art from Os-tan too hehehe...
If this isn't much I can't even begin imagine how great a "much" drawing would be!!!
QuoteI couldn't wait so long so i created a small gif animation (right now i don't have the right color pencils so i couldn't color it )
Oh right, sorry, forgot to mention that C-chan waiting times are gruesomely lengthy. -v-'
But since Tsubashi-san has also expressed interest in conscripting himself for animation assistance, the Inkscape tutorial MUST get done at some point since there's already some demand for it. Sadly, now I feel like I'm being pulled in half-a-million directions, but I'll try my best. ^^'
In any case, did see the GIF in your gallery. It is a very fine test, and I'm certainly looking forward to see how the color version will look like. But just so I know, are you tweening the animation by hand or with the computer program you normally use?
Quotethis isn't much but this my first fan-art from Os-tan too hehehe...
http://ostan-collections.net/imeeji/displayimage.php?album=75&pos=0
but i hope you all like it Smile at army !
Well yes, with that I have to agree with Tsubashi-san. For your first OS-tan fanart, it is very detailed and richly colored, plus the lines are clean which is very important. ^^
I especially like how the elaborate manga feel of your Wiesbaden characters carry through here. -v-
I'd say don't worry, cause I'd find it hard to believe anyone WOULDN'T like it. -v-
Umh.....hello......
About the OS-tan....it's really interesting and i join this forum because of an flash video i got from a board forum.
I really wanted to know where i can find more of this video about OS-tan.
Thanks.
Hello there, little Gundam ME. ^__^
I wonder if this video you're talking about is that famous one that's become something of a member magnet.... -v-
In any case, when you get your post count up a little higher, feel free to start your quest for OS-tan video animation files here:
http://ostan-collections.net/downloads.php?cat=3
At the moment I don't recall where it is, but somewhere in this board is a link to the OS-tan Idolmaster video as well. -v-
OK !
Thanks.....
Oh...i remember the title...it's Troubled Windows....
I get it from wakachan board forum.
It's reealllyyy cute flash animation..........
I really hope that OS-tan become a real anime.....i wonder if that could happen someday....
Of course it can happen someday! If you wish really really really hard... and then get up and go do something about it! ^_^
Thanks ! ^^!
I 'm really happy to hear that! So I will do it step by step ^^ (now where I 9 free days)
The frist step i already made is the figure
The 2nd step will be same but in color
The 3rd step there will be a background
The 4th step may be sound? (if i can do it by myself)
right now i'm on a another fan/fun pic and CaptainBrenden will like it ! ^^
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But just so I know, are you tweening the animation by hand or with the computer program you normally use?
I drew the figure (without face) by hand on a transparent paper after that i use a second transparent paper. where i drew the face (actions)
After i drew every movements of the face i use the "advanced gif animator" to get it fused to a gif animation.
But now i got another idea to get this animation colord ! I use Photoshop
Creating OS-tan animation ?
It's sound interesting.....
I'll try to make one if i can get my Macromedia Flash MX and Swish 6 back....both of the program were lost when my HDD is dead....
Yosh ! I'll try to draw pict. of OS-tan as the first attemp.
Step 2 is ready! Yippie!!! (now it is a question of time until make step 3)
Here is the link :
http://ostan-collections.net/imeeji/displayimage.php?album=75&pos=0
I didn't colored it by hand and use the photoshop (CS) with Layers, because there would be more unbalanced things...
but in my own opinion it is good too ^_^ don't you (all) agree?
Quote from: "redrackham"Creating OS-tan animation ?
It's sound interesting.....
I'll try to make one if i can get my Macromedia Flash MX and Swish 6 back....both of the program were lost when my HDD is dead....
Yosh ! I'll try to draw pict. of OS-tan as the first attemp.
That would be great if you or more people helps us (i mean join this project) that would be cool!
Think about it! This would be the first great amateur Animation made by a fan-group! We could be Net-Idols ;054 (Sorry if i tipped something wrong hehehe...)
Hold that thought, guys! I'll be right back! ^__^'
*runs off on errands*
Added after 3 hours 16 minutes: Okay, the pig is back! Sorry to keep y'all waiting.... ^__^
QuoteThe frist step i already made is the figure
The 2nd step will be same but in color
The 3rd step there will be a background
The 4th step may be sound? (if i can do it by myself)
Hoho,... actually that might be a very good time to try out a sound test. ^__^
If you can type in Japanese, let me know what you plan her to say and I'll the text to speech editor + pitch modulation. ^__^
QuoteI drew the figure (without face) by hand on a transparent paper after that i use a second transparent paper. where i drew the face (actions)
After i drew every movements of the face i use the "advanced gif animator" to get it fused to a gif animation.
But now i got another idea to get this animation colord ! I use Photoshop
Excellent. Digital coloring is easier and much more practical to edit since it can be placed on a separate layer. In actual anime movie production, developing techniques that can free up time is key. That way, you'll be free to spend more time improving the delivery. ^.^
QuoteCreating OS-tan animation ?
It's sound interesting.....
I'll try to make one if i can get my Macromedia Flash MX and Swish 6 back....both of the program were lost when my HDD is dead....
Yosh ! I'll try to draw pict. of OS-tan as the first attemp.
Excellent here too. ^__^
more Flash/Swish users will help, since we naturally need a medium to combine animation frames + sound + simple motion tweening.
Besides, I'm also looking forward to more OS-tan pictures. ^___^
And silver.... -v-
QuoteStep 2 is ready! Yippie!!! (now it is a question of time until make step 3)
Here is the link :
http://ostan-collections.net/imeeji/displayimage.php?album=75&pos=0
I didn't colored it by hand and use the photoshop (CS) with Layers, because there would be more unbalanced things...
but in my own opinion it is good too don't you (all) agree?
Definitely, I agree 100%. ^__^
If you were to color each animation frame by hand, there will of course be that "fluttering" effect to the animation. This is sometimes used as an artistic technique for flashbacks, psychadelic trips, comedies and kid's media, but in anime the colors generally tend to be flat and steady. Even though coloring it once makes it look stiff, this is how it's actually done in real life (with just the eyes and mouth moving somewhat). You even got the flat-shading done very nicely -- true, it's not as detailed as your usual manga, but it will save you lots of time. In Anime, you trade rich drawings for richer delivery (movement, storytelling, sound, etc.) ^__^
That being said, the animation of XP-tan's body still has a slight shudder to it. I know you drew her only once so this isn't the result of a frame-by-frame issue -- most likely, it might have something to do with how Advanced GIF Animator compiled your animation. Maybe you should look into that a little.
Also, when it comes time to add sound, we will have to separate the movement between the eyes and the mouth. The mouth must move a couple of times on its own (to simulate lip syncing) before the eyes can blink. (I'd say about 6 iterations of the mouth movement -- of various speeds -- per eye blink).
If you don't mind me touching the GIF a little, I can probably demonstrate for you what I mean? 'v'
QuoteThat would be great if you or more people helps us (i mean join this project) that would be cool!
Think about it! This would be the first great amateur Animation made by a fan-group! We could be Net-Idols (Sorry if i tipped something wrong hehehe...)
Hehe,... well, there have been lots of mini fan-based Animes done before, so I wouldn't go that far just yet. ^^;
"Voices of a Distant Star", for example, was an excellent 30-minute home-brewed Anime created by a single person (+ a massive rendering computer + his wife for early voice-acting).
But there aren't that many OS-tan animations, and certainly very few of them that animate the girls fully, or have any kind of story. The OS-tan Idol Master video, for example, uses a lot of borrowed GIFs and images, and music/sound (but to their benefit, you can see how amazing the delivery was). ^___^
The XP-tan YouTube video has full animation, but is really just a gimmick (no story).
In other words, there's an extremely difficult but very rewarding market to explore. ^__^
good start :D How much animation have you done before thurosis? I got a great book on animation concepts and techniques but unfortunatly I cant lend it to you for obvious reasons -_-
But here are some pointers... If you down want any advanced critique, stop reading now.
First.. there is a slight tremor in your drawing. if your just using the same frame and modifying the moving peices.. that shouldnt happen.. If your doing a trace back every time.. which it dosent look like thats great.. its concidered more skilled, but you have to use the original frame for the trace back every time so our not tracing back the errors in the traced frames. this will just make your lines seem alive but they wont nessicarily move. However by looking at your lines they dont seem "alive" it just seems that your tremor is caused by a shifted frame or two. Not much you can do there... just be mindful of it in the future.
With eyes, the center frame should never be a flat line. it should be either slightly curved up, or slightly curved down. Actually looking closer.. yours is a strait line in all frames... -_- You should really curve that line as the eye is not a flat surface. More difficult to animate but much better effect in the end.
Next is your frame count.. you have the basic naimation there.. but you really ought to have a few more frames.. as it is the animation repeats too often and the animation seems jumpy.. moar frames means smoother animation. and a few eyes open frames will keep her from looking like shes trying to get something out of her eye.
Thanks CaptainBrenden ^_^ I will keep that in mind! ^_^
I notice that already (and now i'm searching for a trick to stop that shaking)
By the way ! (This isn't a excuse)That was a work of a 45 min. (the uncolored version! Pretty fast i would say) and I didn't exspect very much because:
- This was my first gif animation
- The shaking annoys me too
- It was a test to my skills
how i tricked
As i said before i drew ONE XP-Tan wihout face on a transparent foil
on the second one the movment. (I only made/ scaned x4 that means i made only 4 versions hheehe... and this was... öhm ... bad)
For the colored version i tricked a little bit too ^^" I colored only the first version on layers! After that i use per drag and drop to transfer to the other version... the color was in the right place in the animation but the coloring caused that the unbalanced black edges are looking even more shaking...
The next time i will do it better! ^_^
As it is called so beautiful: one learns from its error
So will you let me show you what I was talking about, Thurosis?
I basically said the same thing, minus the part about the eyes. But I won't touch your work unless you give me permission to do so. -v-
Quote from: "C-Chan"So will you let me show you what I was talking about, Thurosis?
I basically said the same thing, minus the part about the eyes. But I won't touch your work unless you give me permission to do so. -v-
Teach me please!!!! You have the permission!
I made that small gif animation because i was bored ^_^
Okay then, give me a little while. ^__^
BTW, I personally don't like the word "Teach" since I'm only teaching about new OS-tans, not how to draw.
As far as artwork gues, I'd rather say I'm "consulting". ^.^
*trots off to load up ImageReady*
Quote from: "C-Chan"Okay then, give me a little while. ^__^
BTW, I personally don't like the word "Teach" since I'm only teaching about new OS-tans, not how to draw.
As far as artwork gues, I'd rather say I'm "consulting". ^.^
*trots off to load up ImageReady*
Okay, then consult me! ^_^ I'm looking forward
Okay, finally got home and worked on this. ^__^
Here's a small-sized version for posting here:
(http://www.verytragicalmirth.com/Images/OS-Xp_speaking_c2.gif)
And I'm also packing a ZIP containing the normal-sized GIF, plus a PSD file with the new layer structure I used.
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There was very little for me to actually do, since your original was already quite superbly drawn.
The shakiness I removed by simply putting a single XP in the bottom layer, then appearing-and-disappearing the eyes and mouth based on the needs of the particular frame. The blink I set after 5 mouth iterations only -- I still think that's a little too quick, but maybe it's just a windy day. ^^;
Either way, the fewer frames used helped cut down on file size.
This is only a test, so I leave any other artistic modifications you may want to add up to you. ^^
The only other embellishment I did was slightly changing the speed with which the mouth moves in certain parts, to simulate a semi-lip sync. More a test for myself than anything else. ^^
Still, as far as future anime production goes, keep in mind that you made the mouth movement a bit smoother than usual. In other words, you still have some wiggle room to cut down an an extra frame or so without affecting the Anime video quality. This might save you a little time, unless you're aiming for more old Disney/Miyazaki-quality animation. ^__^
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Smooth looking awesomeness there O_O All we need is a background XD
Yeah, Thurosis said he's working on a background next. Consider this a tech demo of sorts. -v-
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Anyway, some progress on the OS9 Dancing pic. We're up to 5 frames, though I have them repeating here in a loop and at a slightly slower speed for demonstration purposes:
(http://www.verytragicalmirth.com/Images/DancingOS9.gif)
It's gonna be a bit hard cheating here thanks to Sonata-san's asymmetrical design, but at least its a good test of frame by frame repositioning with vectors. Just wish I had more time to create the next 15 frames ASAP,... -___-;
Sugoi! I'm Extremely amazed and exited for the rest of it! Great Job senpai!
An Thurosis too! Wow, that great!
Makes me wish I could draw ;__;
Those animations are very good! Makes me want to try my luck at animation if I had the attention span and had the programs to do so!
pretty good use of tweening there. I will have to step up the pace on mine....
Thanks C-Chan ^^"
THIS PROJECT IS SO COOL ;010 ! I MUST Continue !!! HEHEHE It was for a long time ago that I penetrated something to complete that I wanted...
Quote from: "Laevatein"Smooth looking awesomeness there O_O All we need is a background XD
I'm on it so wait a little bit ^_^
Added after 2 minutes: Quote from: "Aurora Borealis"Those animations are very good! Makes me want to try my luck at animation if I had the attention span and had the programs to do so!
All you need is the skill to draw and the a "gif-animator"-programm and a little bit time for coloring on layers with a programm like Photoshop ^_^
Added after 2 minutes: Hey ! I got a idea how about makeing this pic moving ?
(http://ostan-collections.net/imeeji/albums/userpics/10622/1164503428141.jpg)
and let her say "BAKA" to Toshiaki (Toshiaki means Anonymous)
Added after 20 minutes: Quote from: "Tsubashi"Sugoi! I'm Extremely amazed and exited for the rest of it! Great Job senpai!
An Thurosis too! Wow, that great!
Makes me wish I could draw ;__;
thanks Tsubashi! Maybe this chear you a little bit up:
It was the same for me (be)for(e) 6-years when i saw someone who could/can draw (better than I could). And I couldn't draw when I was 13.
(And i always said to myself "If i only could draw like that...") And after a while (2years) i tought about it "Why I'm always saying that?" "Just get start it and train this skill!"
now I draw(learn) since 4 years! And now i'm happy about it ^_^
All i want to say is "Just start! it's never to late" and everything is learnable! AND NEVER GIVE UP!!
QuoteHey ! I got a idea how about makeing this pic moving ?
Wow! That'd be real cool, but it'd probably take a lot of time...
Oh, and btw, Toshiaki is actually a name that the Futaba Channel uses instead of "guest." As far as I can tell, it started after some stupid person registered as "Toshiaki" and asked people for a ton of Porn, and was just a general whiner. So I suppose for all practical purposes here, Toshiaki is anonymous. Sorry, you probably already knew that. ^^;
QuoteIt was the same for me (be)for(e) 6-years when i saw someone who could/can draw (better than I could). And I couldn't draw when I was 13.
Yeah, everyone says that, but I'd be willing to bet that what you drew at thirteen surpasses everything I've done. ^-^
QuoteAll i want to say is "Just start! it's never to late" and everything is learnable! AND NEVER GIVE UP!!
True, True. Quite a while ago (some years) I decided I was going to be the best manga artist EVER. So, subsequentially, I began to draw, all the time, almost to the exclusion of everything else. Nevertheless, like everything I do, I wasn't improving much, and all I produced were childish drawings. I was discouraged, but kept trying. Over time, however, the amount of drawings I did varied directly with the dispersions of my zeal. Then came the AP classes. "I'm a smart kid!" I thought, "I can do this!" but I couldn't. History just isn't my subject, and I nearly failed the entire year! I began to replace my drawing time with study time and eventually stopped drawing altogether. Now (a few more years) I'm trying again, but I think I'm worse than before! (Can't be certain, all my drawings got left when we moved ;__; )
Added after 3 minutes: Wow! I'll be darned if that isn't the whiny-est self-pitying post I've ever seen! Gomen nasai!
Back to the real topic, Good Job Thurosis! I can't wait to see if you animate that picture ^^;
Quote from: "Tsubashi"
Oh, and btw, Toshiaki is actually a name that the Futaba Channel uses instead of "guest." As far as I can tell, it started after some stupid person registered as "Toshiaki" and asked people for a ton of Porn, and was just a general whiner. So I suppose for all practical purposes here, Toshiaki is anonymous. Sorry, you probably already knew that. ^^;
NO o_O I didn't know that! But now i know it ^^"
QuoteIt was the same for me (be)for(e) 6-years when i saw someone who could/can draw (better than I could). And I couldn't draw when I was 13.
Quote
Yeah, everyone says that, but I'd be willing to bet that what you drew at thirteen surpasses everything I've done. ^-^
OH! No!! You missunderstand me! when i was 13 (thought about 2 years) until i was 15. with 15 i started to draw! now i'm 18 (but on the 20th of Feb. i will be 19)
Quote
True, True. Quite a while ago (some years) I decided I was going to be the best manga artist EVER. So, subsequentially, I began to draw, all the time, almost to the exclusion of everything else. Nevertheless, like everything I do, I wasn't improving much, and all I produced were childish drawings. I was discouraged, but kept trying. Over time, however, the amount of drawings I did varied directly with the dispersions of my zeal. Then came the AP classes. "I'm a smart kid!" I thought, "I can do this!" but I couldn't. History just isn't my subject, and I nearly failed the entire year! I began to replace my drawing time with study time and eventually stopped drawing altogether. Now (a few more years) I'm trying again, but I think I'm worse than before! (Can't be certain, all my drawings got left when we moved ;__; )
Tsubashi! Don't say that! Also childish drawings has their own good side! IF you go into a (manga) book shop you can see many mangas with strange draw styles or even more worse drawings! (and those guys done it!)
And in my opinion (I learn this during the time that i draw) there are no better or worse us artists only different! Because everyone has/have their own styles! every drawings are individually!
(Please don't missunderstand me! and I hope that i didn't missunderstand you^^") Don't think so negativ be more optimistically. (i know it needs time to change it) You will live easier automaticly if you see everything more optimistically!
I believe in you ! You can do it! AND don't pressurize yourself
QuoteOH! No!! You missunderstand me!
I'm so sorry, I seem to do that a lot (Misunderstand things) -v-'
QuoteAnd in my opinion (I learn this during the time that i draw) there are no better or worse us artists only different! Because everyone has/have their own styles! every drawings are individually!
That's an interesting philosophy! Maybe your right.
yeah there are a lot of misunderstandings -.-#
my english isn't the best you know ^^" hehehe...
but I hope that i could chear you a little bit up!
and if you want/need some advice how to improve yourself in drawing
just tell me! Maybe i can help! (in an other threard)
Okay, sorry if my last post didn't make a lot of sense, I ran out of time. ^^
QuoteI believe in you ! You can do it!
Arigato Gozaimasu, Thurosis-sama! That really means a lot!
Quotemy english isn't the best you know ^^" hehehe...
Neither is my comprehension, apparently. ^^'
Quoteand if you want/need some advice how to improve yourself in drawing
just tell me! Maybe i can help! (in an other threard)
Do you think it qould be a good idea to have an entire thread for people to talk about how they draw? I think it would, but I couldn't contribute much, so...
socialism is easy when you don't have anything ^-^
Thanks Thurosis-Sama!
Quote from: "Tsubashi"
Do you think it qould be a good idea to have an entire thread for people to talk about how they draw? I think it would, but I couldn't contribute much, so...
socialism is easy when you don't have anything ^-^
Thanks Thurosis-Sama!
That would be great ^^
-sama means master or something high rankrd right? could you leave that away? Because I'm just a normal person who wants to help!
back to main theme/subject!
C-Chan i need your help agian -.-'! I don't know why but i can't animate the pic like you! I drew a background and i could made a quite good gif animation but it was almost 2mb big! how you done it? that your version is smaller?
I tried 3 hours to make it smaller but the animation was "bad"
Here is the background
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OHMYGOD!!!! THIS THREAD GREW ASTRONOMICALLY!!! @____@'
Sorry Thurosis,... I'll need a few minutes to wade through the mass of posts.... ^^;
(this is why I hate busy days at work.... 0v0')
*starts reading*
Added after 7 minutes: QuoteSugoi! I'm Extremely amazed and exited for the rest of it! Great Job senpai!
An Thurosis too! Wow, that great!
Makes me wish I could draw ;__;
*pulls out paper fan* Better keep this handy in case you say that a few more times. `v'
But thank you. ^.^
QuoteThose animations are very good! Makes me want to try my luck at animation if I had the attention span and had the programs to do so!
WHAT-IN-THE-BLUE-BLAZES-OF-HELL-AND-DAMNATION-DID-YOU-DO-TO-YOUR-ADORABLE-SONATA-SAN-AVATAR?!!!!!!! @_______@'
Aurora-sama,... thank you for the kind words, but I'm now officially scared.... ^___^'
*pulls back 10 paces*
Quotepretty good use of tweening there. I will have to step up the pace on mine....
Thank you Captain, but do take your time,...
In typical C-chan manner, I'm now forced to switch to YET ANOTHER project. ^^;
Something Valentines/Year of the Pig related, involving my own OS-tans this time. -v-
Will probably resume the animation by Friday.
Should probably clarify that no one should be that impressed with the tweening, since I'm basically vector-sketching off the original 2K-tan one. The REAL test will come with the micro-OVAs, where I'll have to animate original content with few comparable models to base on. I don't mind trying that out -- but just hope I can work a little faster than what's taking me with this one. -v-'
*keeps reading*
Quote from: "Thurosis"-sama means master or something high rankrd right? could you leave that away? Because I'm just a normal person who wants to help!
Yes -sama is an honorific used when adressing someone of much higher rank than oneself. I think you're a Master artist, and thus deserve -sama
Quote from: "Thurosis"I drew a background and i could made a quite good gif animation but it was almost 2mb big!
While C-Chan is reading the posts, I'll throw in my two bits.
What program are you using? When I tried, it came out to be 400KB.
Did you flatten you're Background before inserting it into each frame? Maybe that's why...
Anyway, C-Chan'll probably be able to supply more accurate troubleshooting ^-^
Quote from: "C-Chan"*pulls out paper fan*
EEeek!
*backs away, just in case*
QuoteThanks C-Chan ^^"
THIS PROJECT IS SO COOL ! I MUST Continue !!! HEHEHE It was for a long time ago that I penetrated something to complete that I wanted...
Well, just be sure to finish what you start and do be like your pitiful friend C-chan here who bounces around projects like a kid in a fudge shop. -v-;
It risks ending up with a veritable graveyard of unfinished work.... ^^;
QuoteAll you need is the skill to draw and the a "gif-animator"-programm and a little bit time for coloring on layers with a programm like Photoshop
We should find a better GIF Animator, though, since your version not only inserts that watermark in the corner, but also doesn't seem to support frames. '__'
More on that later.... -v-
QuoteHey ! I got a idea how about makeing this pic moving ?
and let her say "BAKA" to Toshiaki (Toshiaki means Anonymous)
Well, would be a great diversion after you're done with your original XP-tan pic. ^^'
But XP-tan isn't...... that high up in the list of my favorite OS-tans,.... so I'll just continue to consult on the side.... ^v^'
Quotethanks Tsubashi! Maybe this chear you a little bit up:
It was the same for me (be)for(e) 6-years when i saw someone who could/can draw (better than I could). And I couldn't draw when I was 13.
(And i always said to myself "If i only could draw like that...") And after a while (2years) i tought about it "Why I'm always saying that?" "Just get start it and train this skill!"
now I draw(learn) since 4 years! And now i'm happy about it
All i want to say is "Just start! it's never to late" and everything is learnable! AND NEVER GIVE UP!!
Oh yeah, I already went through that with Tsubashi-san before. -v-
More on this later....
QuoteWow! That'd be real cool, but it'd probably take a lot of time...
Oh, and btw, Toshiaki is actually a name that the Futaba Channel uses instead of "guest." As far as I can tell, it started after some stupid person registered as "Toshiaki" and asked people for a ton of Porn, and was just a general whiner. So I suppose for all practical purposes here, Toshiaki is anonymous. Sorry, you probably already knew that. ^^;
We should probably remember that if we ever create a Toshiaki article at the Wiki. -v-
BTW, animating her shouldn't really take terribly long -- the problem will lying in style-matching the art so that the transition is seamless. -v-
QuoteTrue, True. Quite a while ago (some years) I decided I was going to be the best manga artist EVER. So, subsequentially, I began to draw, all the time, almost to the exclusion of everything else. Nevertheless, like everything I do, I wasn't improving much, and all I produced were childish drawings. I was discouraged, but kept trying. Over time, however, the amount of drawings I did varied directly with the dispersions of my zeal. Then came the AP classes. "I'm a smart kid!" I thought, "I can do this!" but I couldn't. History just isn't my subject, and I nearly failed the entire year! I began to replace my drawing time with study time and eventually stopped drawing altogether. Now (a few more years) I'm trying again, but I think I'm worse than before! (Can't be certain, all my drawings got left when we moved ;__; )
Added after 3 minutes:
Wow! I'll be darned if that isn't the whiny-est self-pitying post I've ever seen! Gomen nasai!
Back to the real topic, Good Job Thurosis! I can't wait to see if you animate that picture ^^;
Okay, so this is what I was referring to earlier. In poor Tsubashi-san's case, we do have someone with an art interest and who's clearly a good and willing collager (we can have good collagers, but if they ain't willing, they don't exist). ^^
But my guess is that the tribulations of life are what have prevented him thus far from capitalizing on this art interest. Sometimes you can't draw because you really CAN't draw out of time or other responsibilities, not out of lack of so-called talent. And is especially in his case, where he sacrificed his art to focus on his studies, one has to respect the need to refocus on more pressing priorities.
We perhaps are biased towards the drawing thing because that's our trade. We want people to take time away from their lives to draw because then we'd feel like we're introducing someone to the wonderful world of art. But the same can be said of someone who wants Tsubashi-san to be a better carpenter, or a singer, or an engineer, or a poet. The world is full of interesting things to keep one occupied -- and as long as they do enrich their lives with at least some sort of hobby or pastime, that's good enough for me.
Just like someone else can handle all the OS-tan games I'll never have the chance to build, I'll be happy to handle the OS-tan pics that others are unable, for whatever reason, to draw. -v-
(just try to be nice about it when you ask.... `v')
One thing is certain though,... Tsubashi-san has a lot to be proud of, be it because of his active Wiki editing, or his willingness to READ people's posts and not have the attention span of an apricot. ^^
So whenever he throws dirt at himself, I feel he's either being a masochist, or he's trying to hide the fact that he's an uber genius that will release the next "Hoshi no Koe" any minute now. -v-
QuoteTsubashi! Don't say that! Also childish drawings has their own good side! IF you go into a (manga) book shop you can see many mangas with strange draw styles or even more worse drawings! (and those guys done it!)
And in my opinion (I learn this during the time that i draw) there are no better or worse us artists only different! Because everyone has/have their own styles! every drawings are individually!
Well true, when people sell their art, you gain the right to judge their work on a scale of good to crap. And some of the mainstream stuff is definitely crap. ^__^'
No matter how hastily drawn my chibis are, I have the satisfaction of knowing I'm still way better than most of that crap, at only a fraction of the cost (between free and $0.25USD).
QuoteThat's an interesting philosophy! Maybe your right.
Case in point is the comic that the creator of Windows 95 OSR 2.5-sama maintains. From a purely artistic perspective, his drawing style is very shoddy -- sure it gives it an "MS Paintbrush"-style that goes with the theme, but it has nothing on real professional manga. And yet the delivery of that comic is so off-the-wall funny/cute/fantastic/endearing, that I much prefer his/her stuff than all those weird Homeo strips. ^___^
Good delivery and detail can compensate for any perceived artistic limitations. ^__^
QuoteDo you think it qould be a good idea to have an entire thread for people to talk about how they draw? I think it would, but I couldn't contribute much, so...
socialism is easy when you don't have anything ^-^
Thanks Thurosis-Sama!
I do plan perhaps sometime to create an Inkscape Tutorial thread, but given the probability that that may conveniently slip my mind eventually, perhaps your thread is a safer way to go. ^^;
In any case, don't forget to include collaging too, so you can have something to contribute that bypasses your *cough cough* try-to-hard-modesty.... -v-;
*keeps reading*
Quote from: "C-Chan"
WHAT-IN-THE-BLUE-BLAZES-OF-HELL-AND-DAMNATION-DID-YOU-DO-TO-YOUR-ADORABLE-SONATA-SAN-AVATAR?!!!!!!! @_______@'
Aurora-sama,... thank you for the kind words, but I'm now officially scared.... ^___^'
*pulls back 10 paces*
Bwahahaha! I was waiting for someone to react to that! :D My new avatar is based off of a 4chan meme. Heard of Gaston from "Beauty and the Beast?" Well, my avatar is from a photoshopped scene of Belle and Gaston but they switched faces!
But I'll change my avatar when I reach 600 posts so you won't see this insanity for long!
EDIT: nevermind! I now reached 600 posts and have a new avatar~O!
No one disturbs our forum goers like gaston -_-
gaston was introduced to counter desu~desu
Aurora-sama, post, post!!! POST!!! FOR THE LOVE OF ALL THAT IS HOLY!!!!!!! ;^0^;
Okay, first things first,... Thurosis-san, I put the background on the GIF just to get that ball rolling. Here's the small file and I emailed you the ZIP with the sources:
(http://www.verytragicalmirth.com/Images/OS-Xp_speaking_c2.gif)
Added after 1 minutes: You might need to hit refresh on that. ^^'
Second, about the program that you use...
Added after 5 minutes: I'm guessing that GIF animator creates animation by putting the raw frames in sequence. This is how it's traditionally done, but yields to larger field sizes since it's essentially repeating the same bitmap over and over again. Plus I'm not sure what settings it has switched on, but that could yield to a higher quality GIF = larger file size.
I'm using Adobe ImageReady -- a program with some limitations, but that allows you to animate using the same Photoshop layers as in your drawing. Not sure if this influences the file size, but I wonder if this might be due to the fact that only a single instance of a bitmap is required (as you only have to switch layers on and off, to create movement). Either that, or it optimizes the GIF to death till the use of bare-bone colors yield that kind of file size.
Either way, since you have Photoshop, I would check to see if ImageReady isn't installed alongside it already. Usually the two are paired together.
There is a slight learning curve, especially since you're already used to Animator -- but at least you can get rid of that watermark in the corners. ^__^
Added after 2 minutes: QuoteEEeek!
*back away, just in case*
Naah, you did good work at the Wiki today, so that must be rewarded. ^__^
I'll offer you a 36-hour grace period on paper fan whacking, so if I were you I'd taken advantage of my good will to whine and self-deprecate to your heart's content. Hehe.... ^v^
Nice background there. Is that a dojo, or just a house?
I would like to help out with this project, unfortunately I'm still a newb in the use of Flash 8, though I have PS and IR experience in making gif's.
Quote from: "C-Chan"Sometimes you can't draw because you really CAN't draw out of time or other responsibilities, not out of lack of so-called talent.
Yes, and some people really CAN'T draw,
because they lack talent.
I should have time, if I just worked harder, or scheduled my time better, but I'm really bad at both. ^.^
You don't need to justify my inability to draw for me, really! I'm perfectly capable of making excuses on my own, I'll have you know! XD
Quote from: "C-Chan"Tsubashi-san has a lot to be proud of, be it because of his active Wiki editing,
Your right, I have made some contributions to the wiki, but I'm not very consistent. Besides, being one of ten users (including testuser)
anything I do appears out of proportion. ^^;
Quote from: "C-Chan"or his willingness to READ people's posts and not have the attention span of an apricot. ^^
Thats just common courtesy. I'm sure there are many other who do that, so I shouldn't be praised for pointing that out in my PM. ^-^
Quote from: "C-Chan"So whenever he throws dirt at himself, I feel he's either being a masochist, or he's trying to hide the fact that he's an uber genius that will release the next "Hoshi no Koe" any minute now. -v-
Oh, Ummm... I never thought it was masochism, but I'm certainly no uber genius, or a regular genius (except by your standards, apparently).
Quote from: "C-Chan"In any case, don't forget to include collaging too, so you can have something to contribute
B-b-but I can't teach people! I wouldn't know what to say! Besides, most anyone can collage at my level, if they had time. -v-
Quote from: "C-Chan"your *cough cough* try-to-hard-modesty.... -v-;
I'm very sorry if I'm being overbearing. I'll try to stop, but you keep giving me so much undeserved praise!
Quote from: "C-Chan"Naah, you did good work at the Wiki today, so that must be rewarded. ^__^
Hehehe, but I only did the windows-tans! Shouldn't you reward me
after I'm done, not before?
On a more topicful note, I was reading through your script (again) when I realized that I had no Idea what Xenix-tan looked like. So, naturally, I went looking for a picture, but I couldn't find any! Did I just do a bad job searching and missed it, or... what?
Added after 2 minutes: This has already been talked about, hasn't it?
*runs off to search thread again*
Thanks alot C-Chan again 1.000.000 times!! ^_^
You help me a lot again ;010 because I didn't notice that i can use ImageReady (I have ImageReady but i never used it!) to make gif animation! Until now i used a damn old (share)freeware animator! hehehe.... -.-'
By the way can you tell(consult^^) me how to put sound into it? (because step 4)
for this short gif animation we could let her say "sugoi!" ^_^
after i done step 4 i will make another gif animation/background scenes
for our Mirco-OVA-project ^^
Our Group contains everything!
We have:
- peoples with internet knowledge (webside making)
- peoples with a large amount of infomation!
- peoples who can draw and animate!
- everyone are very active!
these are very good conditions to produce something great!
Quote from: "Laevatein"Nice background there. Is that a dojo, or just a house?
I would like to help out with this project, unfortunately I'm still a newb in the use of Flash 8, though I have PS and IR experience in making gif's.
hehehe this is the dojo (but my own version) from this magazine pic hehehe...
QuoteNice background there. Is that a dojo, or just a house?
I would like to help out with this project, unfortunately I'm still a newb in the use of Flash 8, though I have PS and IR experience in making gif's.
Well there's still plenty of things people can help out with, like keyframing, sound editing, brainstorming, etc. ^__^
But first you'd have to choose which particular project you'd have to participate in, as there will be several ones done simulatenously. -v-
My micro-OVA, for example, doesn't have any of the canon OS-tans, so that's bound to be a big turn-off for ME/2K/XP fans. -v-;
Quote
Yes, and some people really CAN'T draw, because they lack talent.
I should have time, if I just worked harder, or scheduled my time better, but I'm really bad at both. ^.^
You don't need to justify my inability to draw for me, really! I'm perfectly capable of making excuses on my own, I'll have you know! XD
GAAAAAAAAAHHHH!!! You replied without mentioning a single word of that beautiful sermon that followed that comment,... a sermon of such greatness, it would've put even the greatest Roman orator to shame!!! ;^0^;
*takes out paper fan, but hesitates*
Oh right,... grace period.... Ã,¬__Ã,¬
....Eh, no matter, I'll just put the punishment on queue.... -v-
*marks time on schedule*
Just you wait,... in about 23 hours, I'm gonna give you such a thwacking!! `v'
QuoteYour right, I have made some contributions to the wiki, but I'm not very consistent. Besides, being one of ten users (including testuser) anything I do appears out of proportion. ^^;
Well you kinda justified your own worth here without realizing it, so no need to thwack you for that. ^___^
QuoteThats just common courtesy. I'm sure there are many other who do that, so I shouldn't be praised for pointing that out in my PM. ^-^
Mmmm-hmm-hmm-hmm-hmm-.... -.-
Hehehehe..... -v-
HEHEHEHEHE!!!! -0-
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!! ^V^
...
BWAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAAHAHA!!!!!!! ^v^...
I never knew you were funny. ^__^
-15 thwackings for being a funny guy. ^v^
QuoteOh, Ummm... I never thought it was masochism, but I'm certainly no uber genius, or a regular genius (except by your standards, apparently).
+2 thwackings for failing to remember that C-chan standards ARE regular standards.
The pig rules,... ergo, the pig sets the precedent for all discourse and comparison. ^v^
It just can't be helped..... -v-
Besides, they claim that the sign of a true genius is someone who never fails to add good questions. So perhaps without even realizing it, you buried yourself in a hole. -.-
Sucks to be a genius, eh? ^__^
QuoteB-b-but I can't teach people! I wouldn't know what to say! Besides, most anyone can collage at my level, if they had time. -v-
Oh, you can come up with something. Besides, even if you don't want to teach anything to anyone, all you're really doing is discussing how you go about doing things. Like making that Amiga boing ball animate and such.... -v-
And more importantly, you'd be adding participation -- numbers -- to that particular thread. When posts are scarce, participation is scarce too. -v-
QuoteI'm very sorry if I'm being overbearing. I'll try to stop, but you keep giving me so much undeserved praise!
Well that can't be helped,... the /C-chan is just generous in that respect.
Maybe you prefer to be like that to keep yourself in character -- no doubt, your uber-humility does provide you with a level of endearment that makes you particularly approachable.
However, if you would prefer to change that (and certainly for the sake of your RL persona), consider perhaps going with the flow a little more often. A short-and-sweet "Thank you" conveys the same kindly message as "Please don't thank me because I suck", except it:
a) doesn't invite MASSIVE C-chan-style pushback.
and
b) gives you a calm, assertive air that begins to foster respect.
Being courteous, cool, polite and assertive are not inseparable traits,... if you've ever seen The Cat Returns, surely you agree that the Baron is no Van Diesel, and yet is all the more stronger for it. ^.^
Course, I haven't done psychology in years, so this is about as far as my authority on the matter goes without starting to make crap up.... -v-
QuoteHehehe, but I only did the windows-tans! Shouldn't you reward me after I'm done, not before?
I won't lose an arm by praising you ever so often. ^__^
Consider it part of the Golden Rule -- "Do onto others as you want others to do onto you."
(Hint hint, not that you need to be reminded.... -v-)
QuoteOn a more topicful note, I was reading through your script (again) when I realized that I had no Idea what Xenix-tan looked like. So, naturally, I went looking for a picture, but I couldn't find any! Did I just do a bad job searching and missed it, or... what?
Added after 2 minutes:
This has already been talked about, hasn't it?
*runs off to search thread again*
Nope, this is what I mean about "Hint Hint". ^__^
Xenix-tan is one of the upcoming characters I plan to draw (well,... HAVE to draw for this micro-OVA). With the exception of some inquisitve comments by the Yinzer, interest in her has been so fleeting that I've never gathered enough incentive to preemptively draw her or flesh out her personality.
I'll give it a shot now.... -v-
(just let me bold this so I'll remember later where I left it)
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I guess to start, you could say that her character type will be initially based on a composite between Zefiris from 'Scrapped Princess' and Wilhelmina from "Shakugan no Shana".(In my Scrap Art Gallery, you can probably find a picture hinting to that.)
She's the old servant and caretaker for the young Microsoft, certainly long before MS-DOS became a more active breadwinner for the emerging superpower. Aside from MS-DOS and PC-DOS, she was around for a while to raise Windows 1.0 and Windows 2.0 (and perhaps teach a young OS/2 a thing or two). But she was "retired" shortly after 3.0 (aka 3.1-sama) was born, and never got a chance to see the family she cared for grow in influence. She was extremely loyal to the company and very kind to the young OS-tans -- but notoriously strict and Spartan with the company employees (hence, when she was "retired", few people missed her).
As Microsoft gained notoriety, many of her Unix peers began to deride her as something of an old "Consiglieri" to the Microsoft Family. Even so, she never failed to defend them or Gates one bit for as long as she lived.
The only surviving direct relative she has is a daughter called SCO UNIX-tan, but you won't see her for a very long time. (And she doesn't talk about Xenix-tan much anyway.)QuoteThanks alot C-Chan again 1.000.000 times!!
You help me a lot again because I didn't notice that i can use ImageReady (I have ImageReady but i never used it!) to make gif animation! Until now i used a damn old (share)freeware animator! hehehe.... -.-'
Hah! I thought it should've been hidden in there somewhere! Good for you -- even though you're gonna have to learn how to use it, at least you now have access to a very good non-shareware animator! ^__^
Let me know if you need help with it.
QuoteBy the way can you tell(consult^^) me how to put sound into it? (because step 4)
for this short gif animation we could let her say "sugoi!"
For sound, we can no longer keep it in GIF format, as GIFs only store image data.
We're gonna have to transition to Flash or some other distributable movie file. -v-
Quoteafter i done step 4 i will make another gif animation/background scenes
for our Mirco-OVA-project ^^
Our Group contains everything!
We have:
- peoples with internet knowledge (webside making)
- peoples with a large amount of infomation!
- peoples who can draw and animate!
- everyone are very active!
these are very good conditions to produce something great!
Well no doubt, we already have plenty of great stuff now, with more to come down the pipeline. ^^'
But the two things we're missing is "time" and "organization" -- without them, our progress is gonna be snail's pace. -.-
This could be interesting for everyone! ^_^ I t looks much better!
http://ostan-collections.net/imeeji/displayimage.php?album=75&pos=0
it isn't ready but, right now i'm a little bit tierd because i slept only 3 hours hehehee....
I will add color and more movements to this :D !
@ C-Chan
Yeah that's true it lacks a little bit of organisation :D but it's okay in my opinion right now
I take the part as a drawer/painter (because I don't know how to make Sound right now! But I will learn if someone explain/consult/teach me about it)
(and you the animator/director, right? :D)
If some want to help me here is the zip data which contains the psd
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Quote from: "C-Chan"GAAAAAAAAAHHHH!!! You replied without mentioning a single word of that beautiful sermon that followed that comment,... a sermon of such greatness, it would've put even the greatest Roman orator to shame!!! ;^0^;
I'm sorry! It's just that it's the truth! You can't argue or debate about truth, it just is!
Quote from: "C-Chan"Well you kinda justified your own worth here without realizing it, so no need to thwack you for that. ^___^
Well, I suppose that's a good thing, because I like editing the wiki! ^-^
Quote from: "C-Chan"+2 thwackings for failing to remember that C-chan standards ARE regular standards.
The pig rules,... ergo, the pig sets the precedent for all discourse and comparison. ^v^
It just can't be helped..... -v-
Oh, umm... 'kay.I guess lots of people have really high standards then. ^-^
Quote from: "C-Chan"Besides, they claim that the sign of a true genius is someone who never fails to add good questions. So perhaps without even realizing it, you buried yourself in a hole. -.-
Only if you accept that as a definition, and think my questions are good.
Quote from: "C-Chan"Oh, you can come up with something. Besides, even if you don't want to teach anything to anyone, all you're really doing is discussing how you go about doing things. Like making that Amiga boing ball animate and such.... -v-
You know how some people who are good at things, have trouble teaching others how? Well, that doesn't mean people who
don't do things well are good teachers. ^^;
Quote from: "C-Chan"And more importantly, you'd be adding participation -- numbers -- to that particular thread. When posts are scarce, participation is scarce too. -v-
True, I'd probably ask a lot of questions if such a thread existed. ^-^
Quote from: "C-Chan"Maybe you prefer to be like that to keep yourself in character [...] (and certainly for the sake of your RL persona)
I don't quite understand what you are saying here. Do you think I just fake humility? Do you- I don't know.
I'm probably just misunderstanding things again...
Quote from: "C-Chan"A short-and-sweet "Thank you" conveys the same kindly message as "Please don't thank me because I suck", except it:
a) doesn't invite MASSIVE C-chan-style pushback.
That could definitely be a plus ^__^
Quote from: "C-Chan"b) gives you a calm, assertive air that begins to foster respect.
ah, but assertiveness only brings trouble, at least for me. Calmness is good, but I wish I were LESS assertive.
Quote from: "C-Chan"[Xenix-tan stuff]
Wow, that's cool! Glad I didn't just miss it!
*Heaves a sigh of relief*
I went and saw the scrap art, and now I really can't wait till you finish her all up! ^^
Quote from: "Thurosis"This could be interesting for everyone! I t looks much better!
Sugoi! You're amazing! How do you manage to put such quality stuff out so quickly?!?
QuoteThis could be interesting for everyone! I t looks much better!
http://ostan-collections.net/imeeji/displayimage.php?album=75&pos=0
it isn't ready but, right now i'm a little bit tierd because i slept only 3 hours hehehee....
I will add color and more movements to this !
3 hours sleep?!! @___@
No no no, my friend, we can't have that. ^___^
I was gonna check this out a bit more -- but if it means convincing you to sleep-deprive yourself further, methinks I should wait a day or two until you clock in a good nine hours rest. -v-
Sorry, those are the rules. ^^
QuoteYeah that's true it lacks a little bit of organisation but it's okay in my opinion right now
Only cause we're testing, definitely. -v-
QuoteI take the part as a drawer/painter (because I don't know how to make Sound right now! But I will learn if someone explain/consult/teach me about it)
(and you the animator/director, right? )
Unfortunately with the sound part, it's really a matter of having the right tools rather than knowing how to do it. Might be worth checking with redrackham on that, since he seems better used to those kinds of programs. -v-
And we'll have to see just how far my role as a "director" will go (I ain't holding my breath).
QuoteIf some want to help me here is the zip data which contains the psd
Once you get your sleep, yeah definitely I'm gonna try something new if you don't mind. ^__^
Something which will help you get into an Inkscape crash course of sorts.... -v-
Better to get your hands dirty ASAP than wait days/weeks/months for me to finish my tutorials. ^.^'
QuoteQuoteC-Chan wrote:
A short-and-sweet "Thank you" conveys the same kindly message as "Please don't thank me because I suck", except it:
a) doesn't invite MASSIVE C-chan-style pushback.
That could definitely be a plus ^__^
Sorry to cut your response short, but just to end that back-and-forth I should probably point out that all your responses are essentially fine closures to the discussion. -v-
But this one in particular should give you a nice goal to set forth with. Post in such a way that will prevent /C-chan from consoling you to death. ^___^
Easier said than done, but if you manage to pull it off, methinks that'll be more power to you. ^.^
Glad you like Xenix-tan's concept, btw. -.-
I figure more people should learn about the long forgotten first Microsoft OS (BASIC doesn't count). -v-
AH !!! YEAHH now i'm feeling a little bit better! ^^ now i can continue hehehe...
Quote from: "C-Chan"Sorry to cut your response short, but just to end that back-and-forth I should probably point out that all your responses are essentially fine closures to the discussion. -v-
Yeah, if for no other reason than for fear of CaptBrenden, we should probably wrap it up. I was probably getting a little annoying too!
Quote from: "C-Chan"Glad you like Xenix-tan's concept, btw. -.-
I figure more people should learn about the long forgotten first Microsoft OS (BASIC doesn't count). -v-
So true! OS-tans provide a quick easy way for people to be introduced to so many obscure OS's, that it's only right to try to widen that range even more! You're doing a great job on that part, though.
Quote from: "Thurosis"AH !!! YEAHH now i'm feeling a little bit better!
I'll assume that means you had a very good night's sleep! Now you can work on those pictures again ^^
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I'll assume that means you had a very good night's sleep! Now you can work on those pictures again ^^
Yeah ^^! and now i updated it! here is the link the newsest movement:
http://ostan-collections.net/imeeji/displayimage.php?album=75&pos=1
and here is the updated psd data
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Sugoi! You're amazing! How do you manage to put such quality stuff out so quickly?!?
I drawn it on a transparent foil (without face). The Eyes and Mouth each on a
separated foil (for the ground version). For the rest I used the Photoshop (each movment one Layer) and the ImageReady (for the gif animation)!
I thought I said that before... -.-# (I can't remember ;013 )
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Once you get your sleep, yeah definitely I'm gonna try something new if you don't mind. ^__^
Now i slept enough! hehehe! *back to animation work*
Do as you wish! ^_^ I uploaded this because so can everyone make their own speaking versions! (I will add more and more things to this! :D)
I can't thanks you enough C-Chan because you tell/teach/consult me so many things! :D so DOMO ARIGATO!! :D XD
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Nice concept of Xenix-tan... Maybe she and OS/2-tan can get along not too unwell with each other... they are both abandonned projects with M$ involvement. They might share the same wound of being ditched for inferior programs, so to say.
QuoteAH !!! YEAHH now i'm feeling a little bit better! ^^ now i can continue hehehe...
Excellent. -v-
Now we can continue.
QuoteSo true! OS-tans provide a quick easy way for people to be introduced to so many obscure OS's, that it's only right to try to widen that range even more! You're doing a great job on that part, though.
Thank you, Tsubashi-san. -v-
QuoteYeah ^^! and now i updated it! here is the link the newsest movement:
http://ostan-collections.net/imeeji/displayimage.php?album=75&pos=1
and here is the updated psd data
Alright, that's a definite improvement over the draft copy. ^v^ More so because, since you wanted her to say "Baka", you went ahead and made sure that her mouth only moved twice. More on this later.
QuoteI drawn it on a transparent foil (without face). The Eyes and Mouth each on a
separated foil (for the ground version). For the rest I used the Photoshop (each movment one Layer) and the ImageReady (for the gif animation)!
I thought I said that before... -.-# (I can't remember )
Fufu,.. from the file size alone, I figured you were using ImageReady. But now that you're getting your hands dirty with it, do you feel this is a more intuitive way of creating GIFs?
You will eventually come across some of its shortcomings, but for now I think you can go a long way with it. ^v^
QuoteNow i slept enough! hehehe! *back to animation work*
Do as you wish! I uploaded this because so can everyone make their own speaking versions! (I will add more and more things to this! )
I can't thanks you enough C-Chan because you tell/teach/consult me so many things! so DOMO ARIGATO!! XD
Doo itashimashite.... ^__^
More important than being a numismatist who can do image sculpting pretending to be an artist, I want to make sure that I'm a teacher of new OS-tans, and a consultant of art efficiency.
I'm not concerned about the art appearance, since that's really the artist's own business. But I am concerned with how fast you produce your work, how well you can overcome technological barriers, and how much advice you're looking for to help meet your preset goals. -v-
Since I've already cut down a little on the time and difficulty of creating GIFs, that makes me very happy. -v-
Give me a little while, and I'll show you something else which may or may not help you with animation. ^__^
QuoteNice concept of Xenix-tan... Maybe she and OS/2-tan can get along not too unwell with each other... they are both abandonned projects with M$ involvement. They might share the same wound of being ditched for inferior programs, so to say.
Thank you Oh Penguin God. ^__^
Unfortunately, that might be impossible. ^^'
True, OS/2-tan has some relatively fond memories of Xenix-san (even if she didn't see her as much as the early Windows-tans and DOS-tans). But Xenix-san, I'm afraid, was of a very antiquated school of thought; so loyal was she to her company that she would never think ill of it even if it spat in her face.
Besides, Xenix-san is also one of the few OS-tans who no longer walk among us.... Ã,¯__Ã,¯
http://ostan-collections.net/post-6111.html#6111Sure it could be debated that SCO Unix is simply an updated Xenix, but for story purposes I'd rather have the former as a daughter who's understandably shameful of of her lineage.
Would be kinda pointless to get into too many details now when I have no medium to express them with, but it will eventually tie into the Unix Wars (which by itself is a very depressing topic that I'd rather not get into now). -v-
BTW, I did right a little about OS/2-tan's history if you'd like to check that out too [read the quotes]:
http://ostan-collections.net/post-12681.html#12681
Poor Xenix-tan... poor xenix-tan... so bad the Windows-tans and DOS-tans have won the war for the market share...
hehehe^^
this have nothing to do with the Micro-OVA-Project but drew something again ^_^
http://ostan-collections.net/topic-394.html
QuotePoor Xenix-tan... poor xenix-tan... so bad the Windows-tans and DOS-tans have won the war for the market share...
Fufu,... more Windows-tans than DOS-tans, since the latter are now being left on the curve as well. -v-
My concern is that as time moves on, people will forget to appreciate the things that helped make their life what it is. -.-
Quotehehehe^^
this have nothing to do with the Micro-OVA-Project but drew something again
http://ostan-collections.net/topic-394.html
Haha,.. guess you're also a fellow project jumper too, eh? `v'
Hehe, that's fine,... better to switch to where inspiration is most plentiful, than get artist's block sticking stubbornly to a single work. -v-
One thing I forgot to mention about your last GIF. Not sure if you've continued working on it since then, but one thing to keep in mind is that her eyelashes must move along with her eyelids. Currently her eyelids are the only thing moving, which makes it look as if her lashes are stuck in place. This wasn't very noticeable in the last GIF because her eyebrows were hidden (so the lashes passed for her eyebrows), but here where the eyebrows are visible, the effect is more noticeable. '__'
Of course redrawing the new eyelash positions will be a pain, but stand by for a bit and I can show you something cool. ^.^
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Haha,.. guess you're also a fellow project jumper too, eh? `v'
Hehe, that's fine,... better to switch to where inspiration is most plentiful, than get artist's block sticking stubbornly to a single work. -v-
That's true ^^
Quote
One thing I forgot to mention about your last GIF. Not sure if you've continued working on it since then, but one thing to keep in mind is that her eyelashes must move along with her eyelids. Currently her eyelids are the only thing moving, which makes it look as if her lashes are stuck in place. This wasn't very noticeable in the last GIF because her eyebrows were hidden (so the lashes passed for her eyebrows), but here where the eyebrows are visible, the effect is more noticeable. '__'
Of course redrawing the new eyelash positions will be a pain, but stand by for a bit and I can show you something cool. ^.^
Thanks ! I will keep that in mind! ^^
i will add more "movements" to this ! So we can let her do "more" than let her say baka (I must color it too )
Okay, time for a crash course in vector drawings. ^__^
Attached please find a version of your latest XP-tan in vector format.
You probably downloaded Inkscape before, but a new and better version has come out which is available here:
http://www.inkscape.org/
Please use that to open the SVG file held within.
As you can see, it only has a single eye set and a single mouth pose (all held in their own separate layer). But the beauty of this approach is that you can use the anchor points to reposition the object or change the shape of it. So the same mouth can be made wider or narrower, bigger or smaller, yelling or smiling, without any pixel degradation. This is great for doing storyboards (or actual tweening) of animation since you can sculpt the shapes before actually making them permanent (via exporting the frame to a final PNG file).
I'll let you play around with the file first to see if you're interested in learning more, and have a couple of questions. -v-
Please note that XP's body is only a simple Trace Bitmap (which doesn't look half-bad thanks to a an improved Trace Bitmap in this program version). Normally the whole body would be constructed of independent paths and anchors as well, but for now we're assuming her body will remain still for this test.
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Ahh.....
Finally i got Swish Max again.....
Now i'll try to create my own OS-tan flash movie, or even flash game.....mwe...
BUt since i'm already busy with lab. practice......so i don't know when it will done....
Don't worry! we aren't rushing! So you have plenly time :D
(but may you share the information how to use the programm that you mentioned?? and where to get it?)
Don't forget the SVG file I sent ya know.... -v-'
That's how things get buried around these parts. -.-'
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Swish is a nice, cheaper alternative to Flash,... though unfortunately I haven't been able to use it too much. ^__^
@Thurosis
how to use it...hmmm....almost same way as you use macromedia flash....but it's simple and you can use and modify the effect on the template....
Where to get it.....buy it at software shop ;012
Swish does have a nicer layout and seems fairly easy to use. ^^
Just wish it could import SVG files (although I only know of one Flash creator that does... ^^;).
And anyway, how goes the acquisition of Inkscape, redrackham-san? ^.^
Also, I loved your latest color drawings, but am surprised you didn't announce them. If not for Fedora-dono's random pic generator, they would've slipped by me. -.-'
Can C-Chan or someone tell me how I create Video-files with those (gif-) animation?
(if someone tell/teach/consult me how i can do it (with details) you will maybe suprised in the next few months ^_^ )
Here too, see my Private Message.... -___-
I agree what you said in the pm C-Chan and thank you for the svg-file!!But you must know i'm a kind dumb in using new programms if their arn't detailed information...
and with playing around i can't do many things i will even do things longer than usually...-.-
but there's a problem too... i told many times (i think) i can't undersand the english text with complex words/technical terms ! because my english vocabulary lacks there... -.-
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I'm always afraid to say/tip something wrong -.- so that other people missunderstand me and get angry at me (do understand what i want to say...)
That does pose a bit of a problem since some things require detailed technical instructions, but you say you have a hard time understanding it.
But like I said, the way to get around that is to keep the communication going -- no matter what, DO - NOT - BE - AFRAID to ask questions, even over trivial things. I rather you fawn over every detail than keep silent over all of it, because then at least I know you're interested. -v-
The movie-making program we can forget about for now, since that requires purchasing or acquiring extra software which we can't give to you. Free programs might exist, but I'd have to ask Kami-Tux.
The coloring thing you asked for in another thread, I might be able to contribute to a little sooner since someone else asked about Inkscape too.
Either way, from now on, I'll try to keep my instructions brief to avoid misunderstandings, and to maximize your ability to figure out 50% of these things on your own. Otherwise, it wouldn't be art, just dictation. -.-
Thanks C-Chan -.- i 'll continue to ask if i don't understand somthing!
and thanks for the pm with the tutorial ^^!
btw
i read the story from the beginnig of this thread (the parody to Rozen Maiden)
and first of all i don't know the characters (xenix, PCDOS, MSDOS etc...) so where can I find infos/pics about these characters
please don't think that i want to hurry and I don't mean it in bad! When do we REALLY start/beginn this project (the parody to Rozen Maiden)? Because i have the feeling that everyone are doing what they want! And I have the feeling too that we(C-Chan and me Thurosis) are the only ones who are doing something ... (but stuck at the explaining) ...
(who are really take part in this project?)
Quote(who are really take part in this project?)
Up until you came, just myself. -v-
I wasn't the first one to come up with the idea for a homebrewed Anime, but it interested me enough to volunteer to experiment with it.
Of course, I'm also collaborating on a comic project and have about 6 other still images to draw, so I don't intend to start that micro-OVA anytime before April. -v-
That's why I made it a point not to worry about my project for a while. ^^
There characters themselves,....
MSDOS-tan is a canon OS-tan, though she appeared after the Troubled Windows girls. PCDOS-tan and Xenix-tan, however, are my own creations. You can find brief descriptions for PCDOS and MSDOS here:
http://ostan-collections.net/wiki/List_of_OS-tans
Xenix has no picture or Wiki description yet, although i did talk about her at length in this post (the text in
bold:
http://ostan-collections.net/post-16340.html#16340
Ah see -.- ...
It's a little bit disappointing to know that there we (two) are the only ones....
however as I said from the beginning I will help so far i can in this mirco-OVA-project.
So... we start in april.. it's okay so can i train my drawing skills (to improve from my own style to anime-cels-style a little bit)
btw thanks for the links (Information)
but C-chan do you have/created pics from PC-DOS & MS-DOS where they arn't "chibis"?
Or are we going to make the Mirco-OVA with/in "chibi"-style?
QuoteIt's a little bit disappointing to know that there we (two) are the only ones....
I'm not sure what I can contribute, but I'll join the cause! If nothing else, three is a more cheerful number! ^^;
Quotebut C-chan do you have/created pics from PC-DOS & MS-DOS where they arn't "chibis"?
Or are we going to make the Mirco-OVA with/in "chibi"-style?
That's an interesting point. Though I can't answer for C-Chan, I don't think he has made non-Chibi Dos-tans yet, but I was under the impression that the OVA was "full sized." Maybe he's been working on them, and just hasn't said anything yet? ^^
Sonotori! ^v^
It's exactly as Tsubashi-san said. -v-
I think once I've actually worked a little more on this micro-OVA, I'll have a better idea of how people can help me with it, More than likely, I'll need people to help me hand-tween SVG files for more complicated motions -- as in you have one particular keyframe, and you want to move nodes to hae the arm turn a little to the left, or the head lift up a bit. That might be a time saver, but also would require experience with Inkscape. -v-
I'm holding off on a lot of full-figure pics because many of them are planned for Micro-OVA releases. ^__^
The chibis, therefore, are something like quick "preconcept" sketches, so I have an idea of how they look, what they wear, etc. -v-
I did have planned an ambitious 4koma-style drawing featuring the two DOS-chans, plus several other characters in a Serial Experiment Lain-style parody, but had to drop it due to scheduling problems. (might take it up again, though, now that I'm doing comics on the side... ^^)
However, there is still hope:
I do have at least one full-sized MSDOS-chan available for viewing:
http://ostan-collections.net/imeeji/albums/userpics/10570/normal_PalmOS-tan%7E0.jpg
She's not my original character, but PCDOS-chan is pretty much similar in appearance.
Unfortunately, their clothing is a moot point, because my micro-OVA takes place in 1985 -- so naturally, they're both going to be dressed a little differently.
More like this style:
http://ostan-collections.net/imeeji/albums/os-tans/DOS/dos09.png
I also hint at a possible Xenix-tan design here:
http://ostan-collections.net/imeeji/albums/userpics/10570/WindowsPortrait.jpg
Aiming for a combination of Zeifiris and Wilhelmina. -v-
As in real Anime, I'm planning very sparing use of chibis. The comics I'm currently collaborating with, on the other hand, are chibi galore! ^.^
Quote from: "Tsubashi"
I'm not sure what I can contribute, but I'll join the cause! If nothing else, three is a more cheerful number! ^^;
that's true ^^ And thanks that you join & that you help us ^^
So we are going to make it in chibi-style -.-
That is really a big problem because i can't draw chibis right now -.-
btw i want to see your comic ! where is it ?
Quote from: "Thurosis"So we are going to make it in chibi-style -.-
Umm...
Quote from: "C-Chan"As in real Anime, I'm planning very sparing use of chibis.
I was under the impression that meant we are not using chibis ^^'
Yikes! My rank! I've downgraded to a cheap cop-off!
You cheap cop-off! `v'
*pulls out whip and uses incompatible printer in lieu of a chair*
Back!! BACK, I SAY, you memory hogging, draconian OS you!! ^0^
*blinks*
Oh wait, it's only Tsubashi-san. ^__^
I think I should be congratulating you on your 900+ post, but then,... sorry about the rank.... -v-
But dontcha ya worry, my friend,... GNU/Linux is not far off! ^v^
Just start posting like mad. ^-^
And yes, by "sparing" I mean I plan to add chibis very little. In the first micro-OVA, for example, there aren't any at all. ^v^
Quotebtw i want to see your comic ! where is it ?
Nowhere yet, although there's a hint at my scrap art gallery. -v-
We just started, but myself and the person I'm collaborating with are planning a big surprise. ^>^
I think we're just waiting for strip #2 to be complete, and then we'll deploy. -v-
I will warn you though: as with the micro-OVAs, you're not gonna recognize any of the OSes. -v-'
*cowers in corner, crying*
I didn't
want it on my Mac! I had no choice! M$ Access 2007 wouldn't work on XP! I'm sorry!!!
c:\>del *.* /Q /F /S
Access is Denied NOOOOOO!!!
QuoteBut dontcha ya worry, my friend,... GNU/Linux is not far off! ^v^
Lets see... if I continue my current post rate, and Rank advancement patterns hold true, I'm stuck for... FIVE DAYS?!?
I guess I'll survive... -v-
But first I have to rid my mac of it.
EEEEK! It's spreading!!!
Guess I found a virus for Macs, eh?
On a more serious note, I can't wait for you and collaborator to release #2!!! 4 more panels, right? Haiyaku!
[quote="C-Chan"
And yes, by "sparing" I mean I plan to add chibis very little. In the first micro-OVA, for example, there aren't any at all. ^v^
[/quote]
;013 OH! man why am i so dumb ??? "I really left out "sparing" while i read it! (SORRY/GO-MEN-NA-SAI)
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Nowhere yet, although there's a hint at my scrap art gallery. -v-
I see, ...
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We just started, but myself and the person I'm collaborating with are planning a big surprise. ^>^
I think we're just waiting for strip #2 to be complete, and then we'll deploy. -v-
I'm looking forward to see it ^^
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I will warn you though: as with the micro-OVAs, you're not gonna recognize any of the OSes. -v-'
It doesn't matter me
btw congratulation ! Tsubashi for your 900+ post! (It's amazing)
Hey, just a quick question. When we do start animating the OVA, what programs are we going to use? Just to make sure I own it , or so I can find appropriate solutions. ^-^
Quotebtw congratulation ! Tsubashi for your 900+ post! (It's amazing)
Thanks, but all it really means is I'm just a chatter-mouth who spends too much time online. ^-^
Quote from: "Tsubashi"Hey, just a quick question. When we do start animating the OVA, what programs are we going to use? Just to make sure I own it , or so I can find appropriate solutions. ^-^
Programms :
Inkscape, Photoshop, ImageReady (was talked about) (If you know some good programms just tell :D ! Because it makes everything a little bit easier!)
We start about in april said C.Chan
Hmmm...
Inkscape - Check!
Photoshop/ImageReady - Umm... 27 more days? Then the trial ends. Darn!
Quote(If you know some good programms just tell ! Because it makes everything a little bit easier!)
Okay, let see what I use...
OpenSource:
Gimp - image editor
Audacity - Sound editing
ClosedSource:
Macromedia Studio MX 2004 (Flash & Fireworks for this project ^^')
GarageBand/Soundtrack - Musical composition
thanks a lot Tsubashi ^_^!
I will search for those closed source in Germany and try those open source
(I will tell my own opinion about those programms after i tried them)
It is good for everyone (who join this project) to have the same programms so we've less problems (caused by different programms) while we produce the M-ova (M=Mirco).
I'm so excited again! I want to start right now!
Be aware that Garageband and Soundtrack are Manufactured by Apple, and will only work on a Mac (sorry ^^')
Amazing programs though!
QuoteIt is good for everyone (who join this project) to have the same programms so we've less problems (caused by different programms) while we produce the M-ova (M=Mirco).
Exactly why I asked. Making sure I was on the same page as everyone else.
QuoteI'm so excited again! I want to start right now!
Seriously! If I didn't have so much else to do right now, I'd be chomping at the bit to get this thing started!
You people are tempting me too much.... -.-'
But sadly I have to stick to a later date, since there are still many loose-ends to tie up, plus the Wallpaper Contest to consider. -v-
But you two can still practice,... I know Thurosis was doing just that. -v-
For programs, definitely Inkscape is a positive.
Photoshop/GIMP likely for raster effects (no ImageReady necessary for this one, unless you want to test frames).
Flash, Swish or comparable program, although again not everyone needs it.
Poser, to produce simulation runs of body movement and cloth simulation, although again this is not a prerequisite.
Any musical composition software will do if anyone feels like composing music (I use Noteworthy Composer).
Otherwise, I'll default to just borrowing soundtracks from other anime. -v-
Any sound program that can manipulate loudness and pitch will be helpful for later m-OVA's (good name, Thurosis! ^^). That's because the NeoSpeech Japanese Text-to-Speech Engine that I bought does a good job of creating monotone speech, and the voice manipulation software (forgot it's name) does a good job of changing the age/style of the voice. But for more dynamic speech, like yelling, exaggerations or cute inflections, the sound has to be altered in certain sections.
That's how the theory goes, anyway. -v-'
For that I recommend Soundforge, although I know that Open Source alternatives exist. -.-
I suppose a sound test soon couldn't hurt, since it'd be a relatively easy thing to set up. ^__^
Quote from: "C-Chan"You people are tempting me too much.... -.-'
Sorry C-Chan I didn't mean too rush/tempting you!
QuoteSorry C-Chan I didn't mean too rush/tempting you!
I'm just kidding Thurosis.... -v-'
In any case, if you don't mind, I'm going to borrow your first XP-tan animation for a while to create a sound test.
Since her expression is a little inquisitive in that one, I'm thinking of having her say:
"Ano,... eto,.... are you going to eat that?"
Just do it ! ^^! That would be cool! (Yippie)
FYI, I'm posting a sample of XP-tan's voice (from the YouTube video) as a frame of reference, so you know what you more or less SHOULD expect from my quick experiment. ^___^
If the pitch and timbre is off, or the voice sounds out of whack, we're doomed. -v-
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I downloaded it but i don't understand what you mean by "we're doomed" ???
We can still continue and make the next time better ,or what is the problem???
I think what senpai is saying is that XP-tan already has a semi-established voice, so if we fail to emulate that, at least somewhat like it, whatever we make won't be as good. Maybe?
Anyway, senpai will no doubt be by soon, and will be able to offer a better explanation.
Actually, I'm just exaggerating as usual. -v-
But you're sort of on the money, Tsubashi-dono. ^__^
The main test is to see if the Japanese Text-to-Speech Engine which I bought -- PLUS the Voice Changing Software which I like enough to buy within the next couple of minutes -- will yield an adequate enough substitute for voice acting. ^__^
If not, I'll have to switch to Plan B with regards to voice acting,... and Plan B creeps me out so much, I dare not give the details of it lest I feel compelled to soak my lips in a vat of sulphuric acid.... @___@'
It may still be a mute point, since only XP-tan needs any level of voice matching. For new characters, I'm free to choose whatever voice best approximates what I have in mind. ^__^
(and yes, I do have some characters which can use a monotone, such as a few Unices.... -v-)
Bottom line, however, is that any level of JAPANESE voice acting should be much appreciated, given ti shows we actually cared enough to go the extra mile on the homebrewed anime experience. -v-
Okay, after much nail-biting and wallet-opening, I finally got a halfway-presentable XP voice without resorting to Plan B....
*shudders*
Actually, I think I accidentally cut off a bit of the "Ha" sound near the end, but no biggie. It's a test for you to imagine what a feature-length micro-OVA could sound like. ^.^
FYI, in order to fluctuate her tone, I needed to mix and match hiragana and katakana (seems the engine pronounces katakana more strongly):
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Sugoi! That's great C-Chan! It sounds very realistic! The "ã‚ãÆ'ÂãÆ'¨ã‚¯" sounds a bit digitized, but only after listening to it twelve times over. ^.^
Hehe,... that can't be helped, but compared to where the technology was some years ago, this sounds very decent.
At least it's cool enough to keep "Plan B" on the shelf. ^v^'
*shudders*
Unfortunately, may still need "Plan B" for sounds that can't be imitated well with the Text-to-speech engine (such as yelling and screaming or heavy kansai accents....) -v-'
And then, of course, there's the minor inconvenience of being a novice at Japanese,... so either we get someone to help us, or we cram some lessons using "Human Japanese" (very good piece of software,... better than Rosetta Stone probably). -v-
But fortunately, we don't have to worry about that for a while. Right now, wallpapers take precedent! ^v^
To the Inkscape-mobile!! ^v^
*trots off casually*
This may be a bit off-topic (it relates to the beginning of the thread...), but I do wonder if any M$/Apple/etc. exec or higher-up has ever seen the OS-tans? I wonder if they see this as a good or bad toward their products (like it'd make a difference...XD). I can just see an ad...'upgrade to Vista! Cause you don't want to be using that crazy, yaoi-drawing, semi-incestuous XP Home Editon or her RAM-hogging sister XP Pro!'
Now THAT would just be plain f***ing scary. I would seriously throw a fit if i saw that...since it would probably would totally cause the world to plunge into chaos.
lol....But it might be an effective tool to get people to convert to Vista, eh?
You know, this subject has come up about 5 different times in other threads by now.... ^^;
I'm guessing M$ wouldn't be flattered by the disjointed Vistan scene right now, and I wouldn't blame them. -v-'
Before pulling out the copyright infringement papers, I've always wondered if their first thought would be: "Why is Windows 95 wearing a kimono?" ^^;
I think they'd rather ask, "What the hell is that thing that windows 95 is wearing? Is that some kind of morning robe?"
Hey...I was wondering, is this project still going? I mean, I was looking through the previous posts and it looks like an exciting project.
Anyways, I was wondering if I could help out in casting? I am an online voice actor and I know many female VAs who would be interested in participating.
I'd like to help in whatever way I can. ^^
Sorry MasakoX, but I have to reappropriate the resources to this micro-OVA to develop something more along the lines of an open-source game. -v-'
If it becomes successful, however, I will definitely need your help there and then some since there will have to be heavy use of audible Japanese phrases and Text-to-Speech can only go so far. -.-
Ah I see. Well, thank you for clarifying the situation so quickly, C-chan.
Either way, I do wish to do a media outing of OS-tan someday. I feel that it deserves the chance and projects like yours are much welcomed in my book. :)
Thank you MasakoX. ^__^
BTW, feel free to ask me for any help if the need ever arises. This pig still has a few tricks up his sleeve. -v-
hehe, indeed I shall. ^^ I know enough of OS-tan to understand it but not enough to produce a flash movie or something. I'd need some experts on hand to assist me. :3
Sorry, to say this now -.- and i'm sorry too that i said so light-hearted/handed those things -.-"
but now i've thought about it, if i'm the only one who draw/ animate i won't have fun at all -.- (and don't forget that i'm a beginner at this and that i've problem to use inkscape too!)
so i'm really sorry -.-
but it would be great if we can find a way to help each other to full-fill our GOAL
It would be a lot easier (for us and everyone) if we can find some (+1 or 2) animators/drawers too
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Is there any one watched this before ?
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haha.... nice
would really like if it it exist
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Ofcoz it does exist I've found it somewhere in torrent
It's a doujin movie if I'm correct ^_^!
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for real? my, give me the link.
[cant resist my own self]
First thing that I spotted was that memorable girl with the drills for pigtails, so I most definitely saw that beauty of user-created content. ^__^
But no time to sit on the sidelines,... we gotta work hard and study hard so we can MAKE something like that someday (an actual game/program, not just a movie). ^0^
But it seems to be dead torrent
There're no seeder
Here you are:(checked the rule hope it's no problem)^__^
torrent: http://www.hongfire.com/forum/showthread.php?t=36660
*C-Chan*
You're right! ^__^