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Lounge => General Computers and Gaming => Topic started by: NewYinzer on August 03, 2006, 07:00:22 PM

Title: Bad Feeling About Firefox...
Post by: NewYinzer on August 03, 2006, 07:00:22 PM
I woke up one day and thought to myself about the proliferation of Firefox. It worries me that so many people are using Firefox that hackers might get wiser and figure out a way to circumvent security. After all, most hackers target IE because almost every user uses it. Several million people use Firefox now, so this theory is entirely possible.
Title: Bad Feeling About Firefox...
Post by: C-Chan on August 03, 2006, 09:19:22 PM
I'm reminded of the monoculture analogy....  The bigger and more uniform a crop field is, the greater the likelihood for disease, plight or infestation, and the more devastating the outbreak becomes.  You could spray all the herbicides, pesiticdes, fungicides and fertilizer you want, but sooner or later the defenses will give and your entire field will be ravaged.  That's why it's better to stick with polycultures and IPM.  

Statistically-speaking, you WILL get more security exploitation as the user base grows, in the same way that Mac and Linux virus writers grow as THEIR user base expands.  That's an unavoidable risk, but aggravated more so by three things:

1)  International laws against malicious code writers are disproportionately lax compared to the billions of USD dollars in damages that they incur.

2)  Too many computer users don't care for or don't have the time to engage in any sort of self-preparedness, and depend on others to handle safety issues.

3)  Given the above, the situation offers more personal incentives than deterrents to malicious code writers, plus more financial incentives for profit-driven security firms NOT to stamp them out of existence, plus political incentives to proponents of Internet regulation.  

That being said, regardless of whether you fork over dough or not, when it comes to this issue you really are being asked to take a leap of faith.  Obscurity is a form of protection, but neither Opera nor Konqueror are full-proof either.  '__'

Now for some words of encouragement.

- Firefox is still, as of this writing, an open-source browser; so while hundreds of hackers have access to the inner workings of the browser, so do MILLIONS of devoted users who [hypothetically] will know what they're looking at.  In essence, thanks to this transparency, the entire browser community can potentially police itself and assist in plugging any security flaws that arise.  It's no wonder that Firefox releases security updates continuously.

- A sizable portion of malicious-sofware writers are ideological in their approach and should have less incentive to target a "free" communal browser than closed-source one belonging to the 3v1l Micro$oft empire.  This helps weed out the idealists from the (probably more numerous) lowlifes and market trolls, the ones who really SHOULD be in jail.

- Unlike IE, Firefox is not integrated into your OS.  IE is not only targeted because of its popularity, but also because its a potential gateway into your system.  That fact that Firefox has trouble with ActiveX content is actually a GOOD thing as far as security is concerned.

And that's all I can say about that.  ^__^
Remember responsiblity for your own well-being lies ultimately in YOU, so its reliant upon yourself to learn as much as you can about network security.  

And if you're not comfortable using Firefox even so, not to worry.  Diversity is the spice of life, after all, and it would be admirable if you gave other smaller browsers a chance to make their market niche.  ^__^

Or go the extra mile and build your own.... ^__~
Title: Bad Feeling About Firefox...
Post by: Darknight_88 on August 08, 2006, 11:54:00 AM
Quote from: "C-Chan"
- Firefox is still, as of this writing, an open-source browser; so while hundreds of hackers have access to the inner workings of the browser, so do MILLIONS of devoted users who [hypothetically] will know what they're looking at.  In essence, thanks to this transparency, the entire browser community can potentially police itself and assist in plugging any security flaws that arise.  It's no wonder that Firefox releases security updates continuously.

- A sizable portion of malicious-sofware writers are ideological in their approach and should have less incentive to target a "free" communal browser than closed-source one belonging to the 3v1l Micro$oft empire.  This helps weed out the idealists from the (probably more numerous) lowlifes and market trolls, the ones who really SHOULD be in jail.

- Unlike IE, Firefox is not integrated into your OS.  IE is not only targeted because of its popularity, but also because its a potential gateway into your system.  That fact that Firefox has trouble with ActiveX content is actually a GOOD thing as far as security is concerned.

well, I think I don't have anything to say, as C-chan already posted everything I was thinking of .-.
Title: Bad Feeling About Firefox...
Post by: C-Chan on August 09, 2006, 11:21:26 PM
Quotewell, I think I don't have anything to say, as C-chan already posted everything I was thinking of .-.

kewl!  I finally nailed something tech-related for once in my life.  ^__^
Must've been the farming analogy.... -v-
Title: Bad Feeling About Firefox...
Post by: NewYinzer on August 11, 2006, 12:31:26 PM
Let's wait a few years and see what happens to Firefox. Even though I am an avid Firefox user, I have my doubts. But not as many as I have about IE!
Title: Bad Feeling About Firefox...
Post by: C-Chan on August 11, 2006, 10:46:15 PM
In a few years, who knows if we'll still have the same Internet.  Ã,¬__Ã,¬'

But oh well, that's fine d00d!  ^__^

Just let us know which browser you'll be using in the interim so that we can make sure there's an app-tan for it.  I know at least there's an Opera-tan, a Safari-tan and a Netscape-tan out there, for example....  'v'
Title: Bad Feeling About Firefox...
Post by: NewYinzer on August 11, 2006, 10:48:37 PM
QuoteIn a few years, who knows if we'll still have the same Internet. Ã,¬__Ã,¬'

If the ISP's have their way, the internet will be so restricted, this website will be dead within a month.

http://www.savetheinternet.com/
Title: Bad Feeling About Firefox...
Post by: C-Chan on August 11, 2006, 10:57:53 PM
Amen to that, Brother NewYinzer....  -v-

Let's Fight for the Protection of Prosperity That Worked!!!  ^0^
(Not the crap they're trying to shovel on us now.  ^__^)
Title: Bad Feeling About Firefox...
Post by: NewYinzer on August 11, 2006, 11:18:07 PM
Now that that's over...OH GOD! Too many posts! Must cool down for a few minutes or my computer's gonna give out!
Title: Bad Feeling About Firefox...
Post by: C-Chan on August 11, 2006, 11:27:24 PM
Yeah, I'm like one post shy of swooning again.  ^___^

Oh wait a sec....

........

Aw crap...........  X__X

*swoons*
Title: Bad Feeling About Firefox...
Post by: NewYinzer on August 12, 2006, 12:13:24 AM
Quote*swoons*
C-Chan!

Wow. This was a rather uneventful way to make my 100th post. Take that, rdhdtwns! I will now surpass Agelu! Not to sound evil or cold or anything, but I like to keep track of things.
Title: Bad Feeling About Firefox...
Post by: C-Chan on August 12, 2006, 12:18:36 AM
*sniff* Poor rdhdtwns....  x___x

*reswoons*
Title: Bad Feeling About Firefox...
Post by: NewYinzer on August 12, 2006, 12:20:56 AM
Quote*sniff* Poor rdhdtwns.... x___x

*reswoons*

Here we go again! Now...what were we saying about Firefox? I forget, and I started the topic!
Title: Bad Feeling About Firefox...
Post by: C-Chan on August 12, 2006, 12:21:37 AM
You said you were going to use Opera-tan....  ^__^

*reswoons*
Title: Bad Feeling About Firefox...
Post by: NewYinzer on August 12, 2006, 12:23:44 AM
QuoteYou said you were going to use Opera-tan.... ^__^

*reswoons*

Really?
*swoons*
Title: Bad Feeling About Firefox...
Post by: Darknight_88 on August 12, 2006, 12:30:25 AM
Opera isn't bad, but I like Firefox more. For some reason, I can't get used to the tab system of Opera, I like more the Firefox tabs. But that was with the v 8.0, so I guess It wont hurt to give Opera 9 a try.
Title: Bad Feeling About Firefox...
Post by: NewYinzer on August 12, 2006, 12:32:25 AM
QuoteOpera isn't bad, but I like Firefox more. For some reason, I can't get used to the tab system of Opera, I like more the Firefox tabs. But that was with the v 8.0, so I guess It wont hurt to give Opera 9 a try.

Yeah, I like the tabs too. I think I'll stay with Firefox until digg starts gettin' angry.
Title: Bad Feeling About Firefox...
Post by: Kami-Tux on September 03, 2006, 04:17:11 PM
Is there a Konqueror-tan? Because Konqui is a great browser!
Title: Bad Feeling About Firefox...
Post by: Ultimaninja on September 04, 2006, 07:09:22 PM
I like firefox...but she can be a harsh mistress...

she deleted my bookmarks and was very rude...but she's still better then IE, so firefox ftw.
Title: Bad Feeling About Firefox...
Post by: CaptBrenden on September 04, 2006, 08:01:55 PM
I donno, I didnt care for firefox the one time I used it.  IE 7 now has tabs so i guess thats something?
Title: Bad Feeling About Firefox...
Post by: NewYinzer on September 04, 2006, 08:31:37 PM
Quoteshe deleted my bookmarks and was very rude...but she's still better then IE, so firefox ftw.

Same thing happened to me. Some days, Firefox crashes on my computer. I don't know why, but it happens. It's still better than having to fight spyware every day. Ping! I shall return! I just went away to go to the bathroom (yeah, right)!
Title: Bad Feeling About Firefox...
Post by: Alfamille on September 08, 2006, 04:46:49 AM
QuoteQuote from : NewYinzer

Quoteshe deleted my bookmarks and was very rude...but she's still better then IE, so firefox ftw.

Same thing happened to me. Some days, Firefox crashes on my computer. I don't know why, but it happens. It's still better than having to fight spyware every day. Ping! I shall return! I just went away to go to the bathroom (yeah, right)!


http://kb.mozillazone.org/Bookmarks_not_saved
Title: Bad Feeling About Firefox...
Post by: SleepyD on September 08, 2006, 08:33:15 PM
ditto alpha here.

Happened to me more than once. Glad to see they're still there. ^^
Title: Bad Feeling About Firefox...
Post by: Alfamille on September 11, 2006, 04:25:44 AM
QuoteQuote from : SleepyD

ditto alpha here.

Happened to me more than once. Glad to see they're still there. ^^

No prob!  ;010
Title: Bad Feeling About Firefox...
Post by: Ultimaninja on September 11, 2006, 06:26:16 PM
...page does not exist...

why does this happen to me?
Title: Bad Feeling About Firefox...
Post by: SleepyD on September 11, 2006, 07:39:25 PM
aha, typo in Alfa's post

I didn't click on it til now so...
ehe

http://kb.mozillazine.org/Bookmarks_not_saved
Title: Bad Feeling About Firefox...
Post by: NewYinzer on September 11, 2006, 09:06:38 PM
Oho! I was wondering...



Should we keep this thread, or lock it?
Title: Bad Feeling About Firefox...
Post by: GHNeko on October 03, 2006, 09:08:30 PM
Hrm. I use Firefox and this actually has never crossed my mind. Usually site that I download from are always legit. If I do happen to come across a virus, I just delete it manually. I have been working with computer for 6 years, so spyware, viruses, adware, things like that. I dont worry about. Hackers and such, I have never encountered, even with the current status of me not using a firewall, though that wouldnt help much. Only firewall I have is the windows firewall. I only use IE to start up my gunbound program, and its the IE Tab extension for Firefox. I explored the tab and realized that if I wanted to, could switch the IE with Opera, so that the tab works with Opera instead. Recently, I have been worrying less about stuff like this because I am developing my own OS. And because I am a computer user, I am taking into account features and things that the average computer user need and use. When I say "average", I dont mean the average n00b, but people who KNOW what the hell they are doing when they use computers. People that have SOME knowledge of computers, where it be hardware or software. Also. Like what vista is doing. Keeping the OS under locks by having users register online and because of that, keys cant be used again. But unlike Vista, I was planning on keeping a tight lock on the OS to prevent leaks, like Nintendo did with the Revolution. *shrugs* I would go into the internet browser for the OS, but I think thats enough. X3
Title: Bad Feeling About Firefox...
Post by: Silentbob on October 04, 2006, 07:03:52 AM
Sometimes Firefox doesn't seen to keep cookies, on some sites I have to log in every time i visit them.  Or in some cases, intermittently.   But I still feel somewhat safer with FF.  In cases where webpages do not work with FF, I use Opera.
Title: Bad Feeling About Firefox...
Post by: C-Chan on October 04, 2006, 10:09:56 AM
A dual Firefox/Opera user?!  ^0^

Dear GAWDS, SilentBob, what did I say about being too cool?! `v'

By comparison, we're gonna drown in a sea of lameness.... -o-'
Title: Bad Feeling About Firefox...
Post by: GHNeko on October 04, 2006, 11:27:19 AM
You are. >.>

GHNeko is too bishie to drown in a sea of lameness. X3

I feel perfectly content enough with FF, not to use Opera. IE isnt deleted just for the SOLE fact that Gunbound Revolution doesnt use FF or Opera, just IE. >.>

I think the choise between FF/Opera is mostly based upon personal preference.
Title: Bad Feeling About Firefox...
Post by: C-Chan on October 04, 2006, 01:47:28 PM
Can you really delete IE?  Ã,¬__Ã,¬

I know you can, but figured you'd have to bring it back up just to do those stupid Windows Updates..... Ã,¬___________Ã,¬'

Easier just to stick it in the corner somewhere where everyone will forget about it.  -v-

Probably worth mentioning that if Firefox leads IE in terms of App-tans produced by a ratio of 10 to 1, that must mean something....  ^___^

(http://ostan.blackdiam.net/imeeji/albums/userpics/10274/1141589859993.jpg)
Title: Bad Feeling About Firefox...
Post by: GHNeko on October 04, 2006, 03:49:44 PM
Lawl. Pyro Foxgirl. X3

Firefox-Tan Incarnate. Ha ha. Well, its simple. Just delete the folder that has IE. I dont know about the Windows Update. My computer downloads them automatically, but I choose to install them. X3 So I leave the icon down there in the corner for who knows how long. X3
Title: Bad Feeling About Firefox...
Post by: C-Chan on October 04, 2006, 04:24:47 PM
Heck now, I never let my Windows machine download anything automatically.  All the crap that M$ claims will fix my machine needs to first get past the All-Seeing-Eye of C-chan...  `v'

Too bad,... I was really hoping to purge my computer of all traces of nastiness.  ^__^

GAWD, how I really want an Amiga system now.... -v-
Title: Bad Feeling About Firefox...
Post by: Silentbob on October 04, 2006, 04:38:16 PM
Yeah, I remember back in the days, when people on IRC liked to nuke Win95 users. (For those who don't know, WinNuke is a program that caused a Windows 3.1/95/NT4 computer to crash and BSOD).   I went online with my Miggy and dared them.    They tried, and nothing happened, and I laughed my ass off.   ;025
Title: Bad Feeling About Firefox...
Post by: SleepyD on October 04, 2006, 08:28:59 PM
C-Chan gets cake for that pic. XD

I want to be able to draw like that...



anyhoo, yes, automatic updates are evil. I better know what's being installed on my 2k-tan.

I rarely find places where Firefox doesn't keep cookies... well, except yahoo mail, but I've made that my spam dump and am using gmail currently.
Title: Bad Feeling About Firefox...
Post by: GHNeko on October 05, 2006, 07:44:19 PM
Its strange...my previous verion of FF on my C Drive. (I delete my OS from that drive and run on the E drive) could save cookies with no problem. On every site I went to. >.>

I dunno. It doesnt to it know though. x.x
Title: Firefox!
Post by: MisterCat on October 05, 2006, 09:03:58 PM
I'm a big Firefox fan, but for the past few weeks my (default browser) Firefox version 1.5.0.7 has been doing a lot of crashing; yet my Internet Explorer version 6.0.2800.1106 hasn't crashed even once.  It makes a person wonder just what's going on.

;018

=^..^=
Title: Bad Feeling About Firefox...
Post by: NewYinzer on October 05, 2006, 09:14:46 PM
As for nuking, this might help:

QuoteA person under the screenname "_eci" published his C source code for the exploit on June 7, 1997. With the source code being widely used and distributed, Microsoft was forced to create security patches, which were released a few weeks later.

As for Firefox, I'll bide my time...
Title: Bad Feeling About Firefox...
Post by: brougeXP22 on October 05, 2006, 09:23:17 PM
i've used firefox before on my old computer but i don't have it on this computer (it's my parents) but even when i used it, it would crash about 1-2 times a week. i'm thinking they haven't perfected the software but it's still better than IE hands down
Title: Bad Feeling About Firefox...
Post by: C-Chan on October 05, 2006, 10:33:36 PM
QuoteYeah, I remember back in the days, when people on IRC liked to nuke Win95 users. (For those who don't know, WinNuke is a program that caused a Windows 3.1/95/NT4 computer to crash and BSOD). I went online with my Miggy and dared them. They tried, and nothing happened, and I laughed my ass off.

Bwahaha!!!  ^0^
I'm telling ya, AmigaBob's a genius.  ^__^
BTW, would Miggy be another Amiga nickname...  'v'

Up until now I would call her Lorraine for short, but that sounds cuter.  ^.^

QuoteC-Chan gets cake for that pic. XD

*opens mouth*

Insert here....  *points to mouth*  ^o^

QuoteI want to be able to draw like that...

anyhoo, yes, automatic updates are evil. I better know what's being installed on my 2k-tan.

Study it for a bit and it really doesn't look taht hard to style match.  ^__^
Usual sharp angles and rich colors.  The dynamic look, however, is the result of really sharp contrasting in the shadows and a well choreographed pose.  ^.^

The eye candy of the glowing orb and the sparks help too....  ^v^

And yay!!  SleepyD understands me!!  ^v^
*tightens leash on XP machine*

QuoteI'm a big Firefox fan, but for the past few weeks my (default browser) Firefox version 1.5.0.7 has been doing a lot of crashing; yet my Internet Explorer version 6.0.2800.1106 hasn't crashed even once. It makes a person wonder just what's going on.

Nothing that couldn't be resolved with a little look under the hood.... ^.^
That's where open source really shines!  ^v^
(Course,... it would help if we knew exactly what we're looking at....  Ã,¬vÃ,¬])

QuoteAs for nuking, this might help:

Quote:
A person under the screenname "_eci" published his C source code for the exploit on June 7, 1997. With the source code being widely used and distributed, Microsoft was forced to create security patches, which were released a few weeks later.

Now that you mention it,... you're suspicious of Firefox, but a-okay with the Windows platform.  ^^'
Well, I guess the true test of fate will be with Vista, where all 3rd party security options will be scrutinized.  -v-
Knowing M$, I'm sure this is gonna be fun to watch.  ^__^

Quotei've used firefox before on my old computer but i don't have it on this computer (it's my parents) but even when i used it, it would crash about 1-2 times a week. i'm thinking they haven't perfected the software but it's still better than IE hands down

Yep, nothing's perfect, but yes, it is certainly far better.  ^__^

And do I need to mention....

(http://ostan.blackdiam.net/imeeji/albums/os-tans/Fire%20Fox/1125632315584.png)

Cute App-tan?  ^v^
Title: Bad Feeling About Firefox...
Post by: Silentbob on October 06, 2006, 05:38:13 AM
Quote from: "C-Chan"[
BTW, would Miggy be another Amiga nickname...  'v'

Yeah, that's one of those nicknames it has.  =)

Not sure where I read it first, but it seems to be in wide use in the Amiga community.
Title: Bad Feeling About Firefox...
Post by: brougeXP22 on October 06, 2006, 10:45:12 AM
She may crash every once in awhile but she is super freakin cute. ;010
Title: Indeed!
Post by: MisterCat on October 06, 2006, 03:28:07 PM
Yes, brougeXP22, Firefox-ko is a cute gal who does her best to browse.  She's my default browser and I wouldn't have it any other way.

;019

=^..^=
Title: Bad Feeling About Firefox...
Post by: C-Chan on October 08, 2006, 09:28:17 PM
'kay, it's settled then.  ^___^
Opinion is WAY on the side of the adorable Firefox.... ^.^

Now the question will be, how long will her dominance last till another 3rd party browsers wins your hearts, or M$ pulls off another cohersive tactic to make you STAY with IE no matter what.... -v-'
Title: Well....
Post by: MisterCat on October 09, 2006, 12:45:55 AM
In my view, Thunderbird-ko is equally adorable.

:smoke:

=^..^=
Title: Bad Feeling About Firefox...
Post by: C-Chan on October 09, 2006, 07:23:21 AM
That reminds me,... any thoughts on the -ko suffix?  ^__^

[Feel like I'm opening a can o' worms here.... -v-]
Title: Bad Feeling About Firefox...
Post by: NewYinzer on October 09, 2006, 08:54:10 AM
QuoteThat reminds me,... any thoughts on the -ko suffix? ^__^

I don't know...
Title: Bad Feeling About Firefox...
Post by: Silentbob on October 09, 2006, 09:47:48 AM
I personally never cared a whole lot for the -ko suffix.  I always thought -tan is cuter.  :P
Title: Bad Feeling About Firefox...
Post by: rdhdtwns on October 09, 2006, 05:34:09 PM
-ko is a female name suffix, heh. Also because sometimes they dress her in priestess clothing (mi*ko*) that might be a reason too. After reading the wikipedia article, since "firefox" is the name for a red panda (which is what she kind of looks like, aside from a fox obviously) its more of an actual name (like Sonata), so adding "-ko" at the end makes it more Japanese feminine. Like Homeko.

I'm confusing myself XD
Title: Bad Feeling About Firefox...
Post by: C-Chan on October 09, 2006, 07:11:11 PM
Hehe, you're not the only one.... Ovo'

I can't get used to if myself, so I always end up accidentally calling her "Firefox-tan" or "Thunderbird-tan".

It can't be helped.... -v-'
Title: Bad Feeling About Firefox...
Post by: rdhdtwns on October 09, 2006, 09:06:14 PM
Nah, I've heard both -tan and -ko, I think you're ok <3 Just trying to remember it's origins >.<;;;
Title: Bad Feeling About Firefox...
Post by: SleepyD on October 09, 2006, 09:34:52 PM
Just to clarify what codi said, "-ko" isn't an honorific.  It is part of the name.

If I may quote wikipedia for a bit:
QuoteFemale given names often end in the syllable ko, written with the kanji meaning "child" (子). This was much more common up to about the 1980s, but the practice does continue today. Male names occasionally end with the syllable ko, but very rarely using the kanji 子 (most often, if a male name ends in ko, it ends in hiko, using the kanji 彦). Common male name endings are -shi and -o; names ending with -shi are often verbs, e.g., Atsushi which might mean, for example, "to be faithful." In the past (before World War II), names written with katakana were common for women, but this trend seems to have lost favour. Hiragana names for women are not unusual. Kana names for boys, particularly those written in hiragana, have historically been very rare. This may be in part because the hiragana script is seen as feminine; in medieval Japan, women generally were not taught kanji and wrote exclusively in hiragana.

I believe the word for child is "kodomo" but that is just some random thing I want to add.
Title: Bad Feeling About Firefox...
Post by: zjhentohlauedy on January 24, 2007, 07:48:52 AM
ko or not ill still be using firefox...........ko
Title: Bad Feeling About Firefox...
Post by: Fedora-Tan on January 24, 2007, 08:56:56 AM
Quote from: "Ultimaninja"I like firefox...but she can be a harsh mistress...

she deleted my bookmarks and was very rude...but she's still better then IE, so firefox ftw.

Just look in the c:\documents and settings\{your name}\application data\mozilla\firefox\profiles\ folder and the c:\documents and settings\{your name}\local settings\application data\mozilla\firefox\profiles\ folder.

If you have more than 1 profile here, just look the bookmarks.html (or xml can't remember) in each profiles to know which profile is the good one, then just edit the profile.ini to match the correct profile.

That can happen if you start firefox twice at same time. (only on windows)

I hope that can help :D

Added after 1 minutes:

Of course since the time you may have cleaned that folder or just reinstalled the whole thing ^_^