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Title: Pokémon General
Post by: NejinOniwa on March 12, 2013, 06:05:30 pm
Thought it was time to stop flooding the Nuzlocke thread with random shit, so I made this...

Currently playing some Conquest on my DS. For those of you not in the know, Pokémon Conquest is a crossover with Nobunaga's Ambition, a strategy game series by Koei. And as unbelievable as the concept sounds, Pokémon + japanese warlords works STUPIDLY well. Imagine Final Fantasy Tactics, or Fire Emblem or something - except with pokemon. Very, very tasty.


So anyway, once you clear the main/first storyline (about 20 hours of gameplay or so I think that took) me there's somewhere about 40 more to be completed before you get to the FINAL mission, which is essentially the same as the first mission but in Hard Mode. Or more accurately - the first storyline is more like a very, very long tutorial, and when you get into the other missions you finally get to use some of the bigger strategic features like the Bank, to upgrade the structures in your kingdoms and whatnot; the final mission is then a replay of sorts of the first, except with no plot armor, railroading or sweet-talking whatsoever.

Liek.

Anyway, I'm doing my fourth mission now (first included), and things are starting up as usual. You get 4 or so Warriors (trainers partnered with pokémon, who each can use one in battle at a time under your command) and your Warlord, you start off upgrading your starting kingdom a bit, recruit some, train some, the stuff, and then you're expected to attack your neighbors and start your climbing on the ladder of world domination.

NORMALLY that involves a lot of microing and deciding what warriors to keep at home to protect your starting kingdom and whatnot, and hopefully managing to beat off any attackers that come your way.

Normally.

There is, however, a special piece of Equipment (those things get carried over throughout your Missions btw) that is known as the Guardian Charm. If its user is the last remaining pokémon on the field of his team, then he gets a massive - MASSIVE - boost to attack, defense, and movement range. Bear in mind there's no physical-special split in this game, so it doesn't restrict in that way either. There's also a Pokémon Ability called Last Bastion, which is essentially the same thing minus the range boost, that Charizard, Dragonite, Tyranitar and Bastiodon can get. AKA, three of the most fearsome tanky badass killers in the game, and a big steely dog.

Now I'm not sure if these two stack, and unfortunately I don't have any of those pokémon with that ability yet. What I DO have, however, is a Kadabra. Kadabra's attack move is Psybeam, which hits 3 squares in front of him and damages everything hit pretty hard, and can confuse. Kadabra is also an offensively specialized pokémon, with insanely an high attack stat.

Long story short, I walk in with my Kadabra and my Guardian Charm and nothing else, and completely annihilate the enemy teams despite being stupidly outnumbered.

It's a stupid strategy, but by Thor's hammer, it works.
Title: Re: Pokémon General
Post by: Chocofreak13 on March 12, 2013, 10:03:40 pm
by Thor's Banjo, i know this game! one or two of my mags did a review on it and mel has it, she couldn't stop raving about it a couple weeks ago.

i've heard from the reviews that it was aimed at kids more due to it's simpler nature, but they may have only reviewed the first mission. i can't imagine this completely appeals to kids since you have to, y'know, think. :\
Title: Re: Pokémon General
Post by: NejinOniwa on March 13, 2013, 05:13:02 am
(http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20120628230149/nintendo/en/images/4/4c/Nobunaga_%28Pok%C3%A9mon_Conquest%29_%28Rank_1%29.png)
HOLY SHIT WHY DO I FIND THIS SO CUTE.
Compare to Nobunaga's "older" form, which we see in pretty much any Sengoku game as Conqueror of Worlds/Japan/wherever:
(http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g239/NejinOniwa/4724f7a5268a37c690ebb1612e83c15c_zps75579ad3.png)
Which is still fairly cute with a pikachu on his shoulder, but his younger form is fucking *SQUEE*
WHAT IS HAPPENING TO ME LOL
Is it just the charm of knowing "this guy will be an unstoppable conqueror of worlds in a few years but right now he's just a random nobody on the street" or something?
IDK.

Also this cracked me up.
http://danbooru.donmai.us/posts/1077565
http://danbooru.donmai.us/posts/1091202
HOLY FUCK DAT ZEKROM XD
Title: Re: Pokémon General
Post by: NejinOniwa on March 13, 2013, 09:51:23 am
Okay, honestly. Kazam-sweeping is like, the equivalent of taking your lvl 90 Mewtwo to take on Brock.

SO OP
Title: Re: Pokémon General
Post by: Chocofreak13 on March 14, 2013, 01:28:44 am
really, you might consider talking to mel about this, especially if you get stuck somewhere on the way. she's gotta be like, half done by now. :\
Title: Re: Pokémon General
Post by: Simonorged on March 14, 2013, 09:27:29 am
I prefer the Pokemon Mystery Dungeon games.
I'm waiting for the new one.
Title: Re: Pokémon General
Post by: NejinOniwa on March 14, 2013, 11:57:24 am
So...

Pokemon BW anime series, episode N-008 that aired last week...

ASH GETS HIS CHARIZARD BACK!?
AFTER 10 FUCKING YEARS OR SOMETHING!?

ALL OF MY WHAT
Title: Re: Pokémon General
Post by: Chocofreak13 on March 14, 2013, 12:09:06 pm
this is why i stopped watching
they realize the show is failing so they bring back old favourites

what next, brock and misty (with her togepi) are back, and somehow managed to find ash's butterfree
Title: Re: Pokémon General
Post by: NejinOniwa on March 14, 2013, 12:24:09 pm
Well, to be honest, I have no doubts that it keeps working with its intended viewer base...that is, kids.

It's decent as it is, but it simply doesn't have enough attraction as a series of its own to draw older viewers, really. Some of the movies can, but only some.
Title: Re: Pokémon General
Post by: Penti-chan on March 14, 2013, 12:29:33 pm
I still feel that the anime was always rubbish. Well, some of the movies were good, and I did enjoy the series as a kid up until the Johto arc, but it lost me after a while; the Johto arc was simply painful to watch with so much stupid filler and the fact that Ash was still doing the same thing over and over.

As far as anime goes, Digimon has always beaten Pokemon. Granted, comparing the two honestly feels like comparing The Legend of Zelda to Hydlide :\
Title: Re: Pokémon General
Post by: NejinOniwa on March 14, 2013, 02:22:20 pm
Well, it's more a case of Digimon firmly entrenching itself as catering to an older age group, as well as the series being much more important to their overall sales than is the case for Pokémon - which, like Mario, Metroid, Zelda or any other immortal Big N franchise, sells itself for the most part - and thus they throw more effort and money on it. Digimon I believe is more of a young teen series, unlike Pokémon which is decidedly for younger kids under 10 or so. Naturally, the former is more enjoyable to us oldlings in most cases.

It's like comparing Naruto and MLP. One is mostly a tool to sell merch (games), while the other is the primary work on its own and spawns a good number of merch as it goes along. The pokémon series literally have to switch out almost their entire cast every time a new game in a new region is released, since it has to stay up to date with the current merch. Meanwhile, Digimon enjoys the leisure of any other shonen action series...which is not much, granted, but a lot more than Pokémon does.
Title: Re: Pokémon General
Post by: Chocofreak13 on March 15, 2013, 02:07:22 am
i hope you're saying that it's MLP that was made to sell merch, cause Naruto started as a manga and has a LOT richer history than you give it credit for. (just because you don't like something, doesn't mean it's crap story-wise).
and FYI, i've heard the Naruto games are good, but they really can't capture the whole of the series into a damn game. same goes for any one of the Big 3 Shonen series (or Big 4, if you count DB/DBZ).

as for Digimon, did you even watch the series? elabourate on this whole "leisure" thing you speak of; i simply don't understand what you mean. i believe the point you were trying to emphasize is that Digimon is a better ANIME series since that's what they put the focus on. Pokemon is a better GAME series since that's what they put THEIR focus on. as a result though, Digimon remains more memorable given that there's some attachment to it. with Pokemon, it gets recycled each season, so there's no attachment to be made, to the people or the pokemon. Digimon episodes also connect together, while Pokemon ones wrap up (95% of the time) within one episode. (here is where the Naruto vs MLP debate comes in, since Naruto episodes connect and MLP does not, outside of 2-parters.)

in this respect, yes, Pokemon is aimed at (and better for) a younger audience, but i think Digimon has a wider appeal simply because the anime series was made better. even in Japan it outshines pokemon, and does so by a longshot. Pokemon has been dragged out WAAAY too long, almost none of the episodes are plot-relevant anymore (being nothing but filler), and being too numerous for its own good (aren't they to like, 50something episodes in a single season?).

TL;DR: Pokemon anime sucks in comparison to Digimon simply because more thought was put into the Digimon anime rather than the Pokemon one. and nej, you'd better be saying that MLP is the merchwhore, cause Naruto sure as hell ain't.
Title: Re: Pokémon General
Post by: NejinOniwa on March 15, 2013, 05:22:45 am

>That's exactly what I was saying the whole time
>You're getting mad randomly at things again just because something you don't agree with could possibly have been implied if you take the entire argument backwards

For fuck's sake, K. Calm your shit. Read my post again and try to understand my point, instead of reading it thinking you already know my opinion. Who in their right mind would ever try and label Naruto as a merchwhore for something ELSE than the series itself (DVDs etc) anyway?

Imagine what would happen to the MLP fanbase if the entire cast was replaced, aside from, say, Twilight, Spike and Celestia (Ash, Pikachu and Oak). Yay, Twilight has to go on a PRINCESS TOUR and all the rest of the Mane 6 stay home in Ponyville! We see random parts of Equestria with random ponies nobody cares about! FUCK YEAH WE GON' SELL SO MUCH MORE MERCH NOW AIN'T THAT SWEE- oh, there goes the bronies.

OH WELL WE STILL HAVE 7-YEAR OLD GIRLS TO SELL SHIT TO, WHO CARES

Rinse and repeat for 17 years, and here we are.
Title: Re: Pokémon General
Post by: Chocofreak13 on March 15, 2013, 03:39:20 pm
ugh, so true. makes me glad the only pokemon anime i have is on VHS. ~__~;
Title: Re: Pokémon General
Post by: Penti-chan on March 15, 2013, 03:45:56 pm
@Kari: Me too. I have some assorted old VHS tapes of first season episodes ^^
Title: Re: Pokémon General
Post by: Chocofreak13 on March 16, 2013, 02:03:53 pm
i haven't even watched them....my VHS player has been broken for about 10 years. ><;;
Title: Re: Pokémon General
Post by: Penti-chan on March 16, 2013, 02:07:14 pm
I can keep an eye out for a VCR for you, if you'd like :3
Title: Re: Pokémon General
Post by: Chocofreak13 on March 16, 2013, 07:56:05 pm
eh, i'd like to get mine fixed. it's built into the TV. :\

ALRIGHT GUYS, YOUR MOST HATED POKEMON, GO.

(mine is Hippopatas. >>; )
Title: Re: Pokémon General
Post by: alfonso_rd_30 on March 16, 2013, 08:21:36 pm
I like everyone, but tend to go towards watery ones and ralts, so I don't have a disliked poke
Title: Re: Pokémon General
Post by: NejinOniwa on March 16, 2013, 08:24:34 pm
SPINDA

FUCKING SPINDA
Title: Re: Pokémon General
Post by: Penti-chan on March 17, 2013, 12:51:56 am
Muk. It's easily the worst Pokemon out of the first generation, and is my go-to example of how every generation has had their share of shitty designs >_<
Title: Re: Pokémon General
Post by: Chocofreak13 on March 17, 2013, 02:26:15 am
i'm kinda sick of the "muk backwards" jokes too. :\
@nej: i kinda like spinda....if only because each one has a different pattern on it....plus i ran into so many while i was collecting glass dust to snort for the glass desk. damn right my secret base was classy~
Title: Re: Pokémon General
Post by: stewartsage on March 17, 2013, 05:30:12 pm
Most disliked Pokemon?

Fucking Zigzagoon.
Title: Re: Pokémon General
Post by: Chocofreak13 on March 17, 2013, 06:37:13 pm
yeah, that one kinda annoys the crap out of me, too. it's like sentret but less cute. >>;
Title: Re: Pokémon General
Post by: NejinOniwa on March 17, 2013, 09:47:27 pm
Let's not even mention the abomination that is Bidoof...
Title: Re: Pokémon General
Post by: Chocofreak13 on March 18, 2013, 02:43:06 am
not as bad as the hippo. really. but bidoof is a stupid name, for a stupid pokemon. >>;;

am i the only one who thinks the starters have gone down in quality, too....?
Title: Re: Pokémon General
Post by: NejinOniwa on March 18, 2013, 08:35:47 am
Starters...

Currently, there are 2 starters used in competitive standard play (the Overused tier that is): Venusaur and Infernape. Infernape is a terrifying sweeper and has been so since his release, and is by far the strongest fire-fighting type out there; Venusaur got a really good ability in Chlorophyll with gen5, which made him an excellent choice for subseeding and supporting. The other starters are stuck in lower tiers, and with good reason.

Charizard has a 4x rock weakness which makes him practically unusable due to stealth rock. Blastoise is just meh, because there are SO many water types out there - same goes for Samurott, the gen5 water type. Blaziken from gen3 and Emboar from gen4 are inferior Infernapes, with Emboar taking the bottom spot due to its terrible speed.
Swampert, Sceptile, Torterra and Empoleon saw some use in Gen4, but with Gen5 they fell behind the curve nevertheless they retain their niches and fill them quite well; the Gen2 starters are ultimately quite forgettable, falling in with the rest of the swarm in their respective types. Finally, Serperior is waiting in the grass (hue hue) to break into competitive play, which he will likely do once he gets access to his Dream World ability Contrary (which reverses stat changes, including self-inflicted ones). Spamming Leaf Storm and GAINING power instead of losing it...is a rather frightening concept.

With regards to DESIGN and whatnot, my thoughts are mixed. While it seems fairly certain that we won't get YET ANOTHER Fire/Fighting starter in gen6's Fennekin, I'm not so sure about how original the other two will be. Chespin looks like a possible Grass/Ground to me, which has already been done in Torterra; Froakie looks...well, who knows what he'll turn out as, really.
Gen5 had somewhat promising starters that for the most part failed to deliver. Snivy/Seviper/Serperior is by far the most used starter this gen, and with good reason. It's well designed and well thought out, with a good movepool and decent stats. Tepig is mediocre and unoriginal, being the third Fire/Fighting in a row and by far the worst of them; Oshawott unluckily suffers from the Dragonite syndrome, with decent pre-evos but a lackluster, off-putting final evo that just looks weird. No offense to the old 'nite, but we all wanted something more in the direction of...Dragonair. To make things worse, Samurott doesn't even have the charm of an extra typing, dragon-type or good stats to make up for it.
Gen4 was decently cool, but I always thought they weren't anywhere as awesome as Gen3. To be fair Gen4 was the first generation of pokémon games I never bought, and I never really got into it until Platinum came out. Empoleon and Torterra were just meh in my eyes despite their original typings, and Infernape was just another Fire/Fighting. I didn't buy much into the hype then, and Blaziken was still a fond memory in my heart from my Sapphire/Emerald days. To this day, I have never used Infernape in a pokémon battle.

In Gen3 I saw Torchic/Blaziken and fell in love. Instantly. Mudkip was, well, Mudkip, and shared typing and design similarities with Feraligatr (which I never liked at all), whereas Treecko just never really appealed to me. I've never used either one of the others, since I haven't done that many playthroughs on gen3 games. Blaziken remains one of my best liked starters, however.

In gen2, there was plenty of smooth juice to be had. Totodile was never an option to me, but the rest was very nice. Cyndaquil was the starter I used almost exclusively on my playthroughs; on the other hand, I remember picking up a japanese rom of Gold WAY back and playing with Chikorita for a long time (a ROM which ultimately crashed my parents' computer, but that's a different story), and I still appreciate that starter a lot.

Finally, I've played with all the Gen1 starters at some point, but as with most of us, Charizard is my favorite there. Squirtle was the first one I used - hey, Blue version, check out that turtle thing! - but since there weren't much in the way of Stealth Rock back then, Charizard was a fearsome beast on all fronts. My brother used Venusaur on his Red version for a while, and I remember making fun of him for it.

Point being, aside from the obvious overdose of Fire/Fighting types, there's not much that I can say on the topic of starters; simply because my first impressions of each generation were under such very different circumstances from the other. I have all the Gen1/2 games, and played them a fucking TON. I did have a GBA (which unfortunately suffered from a dead D-pad later on) and I own Sapphire after buying it on a whim, and Gen3 was very enjoyable to me as well, though I didn't play it nearly as much. I was VERY late to the Gen4 party, however, and I never really had much of a relation to those starters to speak of. Gen5 is one I've done a decent amount, and probably the first one I can be somewhat objective on. Still, it's very difficult to classify the quality of starters, simply because of the nostalgia factor.

THAT SAID:
What do you guys think about Gen6?
Title: Re: Pokémon General
Post by: Penti-chan on March 18, 2013, 12:00:01 pm
I'm on the fence about Gen6, mostly because I never touched Gen5; for me, I found it hard to even think of how they could continue after Gen4, given how the last Pokémon in the National Pokedex as of Platinum was the god of all Pokémon. I mean, you can't top that, and to me it felt pointless to keep going.

I mean, the games are still fun, but Gen5 never managed to draw my interest. Maybe Gen6 will turn that around?
Title: Re: Pokémon General
Post by: stewartsage on March 18, 2013, 01:11:39 pm
Gen 5 is the first generation to actually genuinely interest me since Gen 1.  Sure I played Gen 2 and 3 briefly before dropping them, but 5 just... is intriguing. 
Title: Re: Pokémon General
Post by: NejinOniwa on March 18, 2013, 08:08:06 pm
Gen5 is actually fairly nice all around. And why do you need to "top" Arceus, anyway? I always thought it was way OVER the top to even make something like it in the first place, and I never liked it as a pokemon either.

Gen6...hopefully they'll be able to expand on the gameplay a lot more with the new 3d system.
Title: Re: Pokémon General
Post by: Penti-chan on March 18, 2013, 08:56:50 pm
I actually kind of liked Arceus. While not as badass as motherfucking Giratina, I do have a figurine of him standing beside Captain Picard in my other room. Maybe if I'm bored or just find a really good deal somewhere, I'll pick up Black and give it a shot :\
Title: Re: Pokémon General
Post by: alfonso_rd_30 on March 19, 2013, 01:43:13 am
Well, The Starters Thing is something I've enjoyed...

for Gen 1 my starter was a squirtle, I'm a wind type person, and since they decided to go fire water grass on starters he was the Choice of the Bunch... I remember Naming him WarHero (Hence the name of my starter in HG and SS)
Title: Re: Pokémon General
Post by: LeaflameSD on March 19, 2013, 04:49:43 am
ARCANINE!
Flamethrower...

In all seriousness I have never completed a Pokemon game. Got CLOSE to beating Blue, but I don't have a Gameboy anymore.
Saved Pokemon Silver when I needed a break but the saves never returned after I restarted the GB because there is no battery.

*sigh* My life has no meaning ;0_0;
Title: Re: Pokémon General
Post by: NejinOniwa on March 19, 2013, 08:35:58 am
Completed as in caught them all, or finished the E4 and afterplot?

I've completed the E4 of just about every pokémon game except Diamond(i think)/Pearl(i think)/Black/Black2 (only played on White, almost finished with W2). Catching them all is of course a pretty long shot in the later gens, but I did finish that mission on my original Blue version back when I was a kid (150, not Mew). The last one I got was Omastar, which I traded my clone for, giving us both the full 150. Felt good man.
Title: Re: Pokémon General
Post by: LeaflameSD on March 19, 2013, 09:02:04 am
I nearly beat it plotwise, I didn't catch 'em all yet.
Title: Re: Pokémon General
Post by: Simonorged on March 19, 2013, 09:09:10 am
I had beat the plot of every Pokemon game I picked up. Except for crystal. The game wouldn't save.
I got close to completing the Pokedex in pearl, but then I lost the game.
Title: Re: Pokémon General
Post by: Penti-chan on March 19, 2013, 02:14:14 pm
The only generation I've played but never beat a game from is Gen3. I need to get back to Emerald :\
Title: Re: Pokémon General
Post by: Chocofreak13 on March 20, 2013, 03:07:48 am
Quote from: NejinOniwa on March 18, 2013, 08:35:47 am
What do you guys think about Gen6?

"Not ANOTHER one...!"

srsly, pokemon has scraped the bottom of the barrel in the ideas department SO MUCH that they've now broken through the bottom and are serving up turf. i'm not even enthused about the new eeveelution, which says it all: this gen is an even bigger MEH than the last, which i didn't think was possible. they can't even name them creatively.

@starters: gen1: the game i played the most out of gen1 was pokemon yellow, where the starter is decided for you. i even have hey you pikachu, so my bias is a tad skewed towards the impossible starter--i never developed much of a loyalty towards any of the "real" 3 starters. :\

gen2: this is where it gets sooper cereal, because of how much i played Crystal. THIS was the gen where i came into my own, and Cyndaquil was always along for the ride. i felt bad about the Tododiles that got captures by TripleQ (aka ???), but over time, i started unconsciously seeing tododile and its evolutions (the evolutions especially) as kind of......evil. like, dark. i felt (and still feel!!) horrible about saying that, but it's not an active way of thinking; it just is there. nowadays i'm trying to break the bias. ;^; Chikorita was a bit "meh" considering it just always went unused. :\

gen3: i had both ruby AND sapphire (well, till ruby got stolen along with a bunch of my other GBC/GBA games; thanks a lot for making me loan it all to my cousin, mum.... >>; ), so i used all 3 of the starters at least once. over time, like nej, i developed a preference towards torchic, helped in no small part by the Blaziken from the series. it was quite the badass, and having the fire favouritism left over from Gen2 also influenced my choice. plus, fire kick. ohhh yeeeahhh. -w-
my sister's favourite was treeko, but i just never got on with it. mudkip was a bit of a joke at this point considering gen3 was the first inkling of the silly designs to come, and we had the internet at this point as well. (SO I HERD YOU LIEK MUDKIPS)

gen4: n/a; going off design alone either piplup or the monkey. turtwig is cute but grass-types seem to have a hard time impressing me. plus i've heard it has low speed.

gen5: n/a; going off design alone that ridiculous-looking otter. it's kind of cute. but really, gen5 suffers from "LOLDESIGNDERP" Syndrome.

gen6: already mentioned what i think of the whole idea of it. stupid, stupid, stupid. ><;

EDIT: now, if they looked more like THESE, i'd be more enthused:
(http://thenthpower.files.wordpress.com/2010/03/starters_5th_gen_pokemon_by_farreer.jpg)
Title: Re: Pokémon General
Post by: NejinOniwa on March 20, 2013, 11:11:44 am
But...that one in the middle there, sans the little plume on its head, IS Fennekin...

Just saiyan.

I was very skeptical towards Gen5 as well at first, just for the fact that it ONLY introduced completely new pokes and nothing linked to the older; however, the plot and innovation of these games in other directions (CUTSCENES! WOOT!) made me very much reconsider that opinion, and while the original BW were somewhat meh due to you being stuck with only the native Unova pokes, B2W2 leaves that and gives you a bunch of other regionals right off the bat. And I mean, who can dislike a game that gives you limitless catchable Eevees? Not to mention the ability to catch Lucario's pre-evo at LEVEL 5, before you even take on the first gym? It may not have the best starters, but fuck those, I had a Lucario when I took on the second gym. A FUCKING LUCARIO.

Given how we already have a new Eeveelution, I'd be very surprised if we didn't get another boatload of evolutions for other older-gen pokes as well.
If they give Mawile an evolution, I am officially going to squeal for joy and buy myself a damn 3DS with the game fucking STAT.
Title: Re: Pokémon General
Post by: Simonorged on March 20, 2013, 11:27:32 am
I'm gonna buy it, Pokemon is my childhood.

oops... sorry choco
Title: Re: Pokémon General
Post by: Chocofreak13 on March 20, 2013, 11:30:15 am
@nej: come to think of it, on one of those "what pokemon type are you?" charts, i came up as steel/normal, meaning the only pokemon i really came up as was Mawile. thus, I AM MAWILE, MASTER'S FAVOURITE

oh, that IS the fire starter in the middle there? damn, then i guess the game art just sucks. xD or the other two starters bring it down enough that i didn't recognize it. (there's a beaver-thing with a hat....wtf?)

limitless catchable eevees sounds badass,  but once you get an eevee you can just breed a farm of them anyway....
also, when it comes to the new eeveelution, i wouldn't say that guarantees attention to the old ones. after all, i agree with this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_iKlxVZVjc8) video's theory that Sylveon is likely a new type.



(dammit simon, i was about to post. ><; )
Title: Re: Pokémon General
Post by: NejinOniwa on March 20, 2013, 12:42:10 pm
Guarantees or not, it still seems a lot more likely in my eyes. Gen5 is the only generation we've had so far that didn't expand on previous gens at all, and with this we already have confirmation of expansion in Gen6. It'd be silly of them not to do more, imo.
Title: Re: Pokémon General
Post by: NejinOniwa on March 20, 2013, 05:22:55 pm
>B2W2 Elite 4
GG easy

I mean, honestly. The Ghost girl? Calm mind x2 on Lucario, sweep like a boss. The Dark dude? Not even setup, just swapping between Weavile, Lucario and whatever else. The Psychic girl was trickier mainly because she killed my Weavile 2 pokes in or so, and her Gothitelle started Calm minding up for a sweep of its own, taking down a few of mine before I could put it to rest. The Fighting dude WOULD'VE been easy if not for the fact that FOR SOME REASON, HIS DAMN SAWK HAD STURDY, which means I can't 1HKO it, and it killed off my Espeon. I sad. :/

Iris de Champ was cute, but that's all she has going for her, really. I mean, if you have 2 Ice types and a Lucario, dealing with a little girl with nothing but Dragon-types and Flying-types is a bit too easy, honestly. I even derped up in my setup, bringing out my Espeon first instead of Lapras or Weavile or something, so I had to switch in Lapras and give free damage away. Still gg easy. CM Lucario with Dragon Pulse, Shadow Ball and Aura Sphere...so very much pain.

NOW I CAN FINALLY GET MY GLACEON
SUCK IT HATERS, I HAVE ALL THE EEVEELUTIONS NOW
Title: Re: Pokémon General
Post by: Chocofreak13 on March 21, 2013, 01:20:51 pm
FUCK YEAH EEVEELUTIONS
FUCK YEAH GLACEON
FUCK YEAH MASTER, YOU GO


also, iris is the champ? laaaaaame.
Title: Re: Pokémon General
Post by: NejinOniwa on March 21, 2013, 07:48:04 pm
Why lame? She's the 8th gym leader in the original White, and since the champ of B/W is sort of retired in B2/W2, it's kind of logical to have the strongest gym leader follow him.
Title: Re: Pokémon General
Post by: NejinOniwa on March 21, 2013, 10:19:15 pm
http://gbatemp.net/threads/pok%C3%A9mon-sacred-gold-storm-silver.327567/
BROS.

ARE. YOU. READY!?
Because Johto is about to get a new hole torn up its ass.

A note though, if any of you are in the same boat as I am and can't get the xDelta GUI to patch things properly, use this modded GUI.
http://www.mediafire.com/?db9aazphb2qkmvt
Ignore the other files in that package, the "xdeltaui mod.exe" is the only one you really need.

Happy hacking!
Title: Re: Pokémon General
Post by: Chocofreak13 on March 22, 2013, 10:57:58 am
herly crerp, this makes me want to play gen4. :0

as for iris, i can't take her seriously. she barely aged before becoming the leader, easily making her the youngest one in pokemon history. there are others much more deserving of the title. and besides, the ONLY other gym leaders in history to make it to the elite 4 were koga and wallace (unless you count blue, which i don't), and even then, only one was the leader, and only for one game. it's just weird. and her outfit makes me take her even less seriously.
Title: Re: Pokémon General
Post by: stewartsage on March 22, 2013, 01:26:39 pm
(http://lparchive.org/Pokemon-Crystal/Update%2053/karen47.png)

(http://lparchive.org/Pokemon-Crystal/Update%2053/karen49.png)

Quoted for veracity.
Title: Re: Pokémon General
Post by: NejinOniwa on March 22, 2013, 05:30:21 pm
There's also similar hacks for B/W and B2/W2, if you're interested in those.
Title: Re: Pokémon General
Post by: LeaflameSD on March 22, 2013, 07:31:39 pm
That ROM hack looks freakin' legendary, I will play it in 20124382489377 years *shot*
Title: Re: Pokémon General
Post by: NejinOniwa on March 22, 2013, 11:31:03 pm
Quote from: I randomly encounter one of the Hoenn Gym Leaders in Ilex Forest...
Gardenia: "Ivysaur! Use Vine Whip! Oh, yes, that feels fantastic! ...It's incredible! I don't know how much more of this I can- AAAH! Er... H-hi... I don't suppose y-you saw that? I should have g-guessed there would be passing t-trainers... I'll give you this TM, if you keep what you saw a secret!"

BY THOR'S BANJO, CANNOT UNSEE
Title: Re: Pokémon General
Post by: Penti-chan on March 22, 2013, 11:59:47 pm
Is that in Black\White, or Black 2\White 2? I might have to play those *w*
Title: Re: Pokémon General
Post by: NejinOniwa on March 23, 2013, 01:27:22 am
That's the HG/SS hack I posted about previously. I mean...overt bondage references in a pokémon game? Besides, why would a Hoenn gym leader have an Ivysaur?

Still a very amusing thing to run into, though. It took me completely by surprise XD

Also, I'm not sure why, but I seem to be having recurring thoughts about "Hitler, the Holocaust pokémon" and/or little Adolf being transformed into a Koffing and warped into the poké-verse.
Title: Re: Pokémon General
Post by: alfonso_rd_30 on March 23, 2013, 03:55:51 am
Quote from: NejinOniwa on March 23, 2013, 01:27:22 am
I seem to be having recurring thoughts about "Hitler, the Holocaust pokémon"


LOL

"Hitler the Holocaust Pokemon and the Evolved form of Richelieu. Hitler uses it's cunning word play to convince other Pokemon of joining his demented crusade of an Ethnically pure Pokemon World, often using them as cannon fodder"
Title: Re: Pokémon General
Post by: NejinOniwa on March 23, 2013, 06:40:27 am
Don't really see where you'd pull Richelieu in, though... He wasn't really playing the same game as Adolf, iirc.
Title: Re: Pokémon General
Post by: Chocofreak13 on March 23, 2013, 06:26:36 pm
after Team Plasma comes Team Sulphur Must, obsessed with creating an ethnically clean pokemon world? no cross-breeding of ANY species (that means YOU, brock, keep your hands to yourself)?
Title: Re: Pokémon General
Post by: stewartsage on March 24, 2013, 12:31:32 pm
RANDOM THOUGHT: FAVORITE POKEMON PROFESSORS

1) Rowan
2) Juniper
3) Oak
Title: Re: Pokémon General
Post by: Chocofreak13 on March 24, 2013, 01:55:06 pm
1. oak
2. gary oak
3. ivy
Title: Re: Pokémon General
Post by: Penti-chan on March 24, 2013, 02:48:35 pm
In no real order:

- Oak
- Juniper
- Birch

Also, while I'm thinking about it and it's semi-related, what are your 3 favorite legendary Pokémon? Mine would be:

- Mewtwo
- Lugia
- Giratina
Title: Re: Pokémon General
Post by: NejinOniwa on March 24, 2013, 04:16:49 pm
Hmmmmmm.

Well, (Sam) Oak is kind of a no-brainer, there...
As is Juniper, though. Honestly, she has the most backstory aside from Oak...and she's the least annoying, too.
Other than that, I really like Bill. Though he's not a proper professor (just a "researcher") I'll still give him a spot here.

Legendaries, though, is a lot easier. I've always liked Ice-types, and that all stems from my first sejour with Articuno back in Blue. And sure, Mewtwo is overwhelmingly powerful, but to be honest, once you finally get him there's not much to do with him. He is the final boss, and he's cool as fuck in that respect, but you never really got to know him as a pokémon, so to speak.
Suicune takes the final spot, though. I fell in love with the improved plot around him in Crystal, and that remains my favorite version of the game for that very reason. Suicune was the harbinger of change in the pokémon world, and he did everything right in his second coming.

As for the newer generations, I never really fancied their offerings all that much. Sure, the Regis were cool in concept - these strange hidden old golem-thingies you got to track down. But they aren't really charming as pokémon. The Weather trio of Hoenn isn't too fancy either - they lack...elegance. Giratina is close to nabbing a spot on the top 3, but is ultimately a bit too weird to beat the competition there; otherwise, Sinnoh had a lackluster offering overall. Unova...fails to hit the mark. Sure, there are lots of cool stuff, and good designs overall. But there's just way too bloody many of them to make you feel that feeling, the "legendariness" so to speak. The Kami trio! The Tao trio! The Muskedeers! Victini! Sure, Sinnoh had even more, but I never really paid much attention to anything but Giratina there.
Title: Re: Pokémon General
Post by: alfonso_rd_30 on March 24, 2013, 06:51:36 pm
Quote from: NejinOniwa on March 23, 2013, 06:40:27 am
Don't really see where you'd pull Richelieu in, though... He wasn't really playing the same game as Adolf, iirc.


then Who do you suggest to be the Pre evo of Adolph? Napoleon?

For te professurs, I have always given them as much thought and notice as I give let's say, to pizza (which I don't like...)

and for legendares I'g go for thunder and ice/water
Title: Re: Pokémon General
Post by: Chocofreak13 on March 24, 2013, 09:59:08 pm
@alfonso: he meant specifics. WHICH fire/ice/lightning.

@nej: bill is a choice? alright, bump him up to #3.

i don't care much for later legendaries just because there's too damn many. EVERYTHING is legendary these days. and it's like Syndrome said: "When Everyone is Super, No One Will Be."

with that in mind, though, favourite legendaries would likely be the elementary trio from G/S/C. i love the original element trio as well, but the elementary dogs just stick out more in my mind. it probably has to do with me having a story for each one, and playing crystal so much. i haven't caught mew/mewtwo/ho-oh/lugia, or even latios/latias from hoenn (though i have encountered them), so there's no experience there, thus no attachment.
if nothing else, though, the regis from hoenn taught me to speak braille. which is pretty damn cool, even if i've lost the ability.


(i'm a wee bit sad that no one caught my joke. but then, it was hard to find a non-obvious yet "rolls off the tongue" word for mustard gas....)
Title: Re: Pokémon General
Post by: Penti-chan on March 25, 2013, 12:44:49 pm
So, out of boredom, I decided to add up how many Pokémon I've caught across all main files on my games, from Blue to Black, to see how close I've come to catching all Pokémon.

Counting all games, and excluding doubles (Like, if I have a Cyndiquil on Crystal, I don't include it on the count in SoulSilver), I have caught 295 out of 649. To date, the only game I've completed the Pokédex in is Blue; with all 151 obtained -w-
Title: Re: Pokémon General
Post by: Simonorged on March 25, 2013, 01:56:08 pm
Out of all the games I've played, I'm pretty sure I've caught all of them. Except for maybe about 12
Title: Re: Pokémon General
Post by: Chocofreak13 on March 25, 2013, 06:41:06 pm
i haven't even come close, and i own up to that. but i DID go out of my way to get a damn Milotic. one of my favourite pokemon, you're damn right i'm expending the energy. >>;
Title: Re: Pokémon General
Post by: NejinOniwa on March 26, 2013, 03:07:13 am
Milotic?

Really?

That's...unexpected.
Title: Re: Pokémon General
Post by: Chocofreak13 on March 26, 2013, 03:57:12 am
.....really? it's a water type, dragon-looking and can learn dragon-type moves, is overpowered and contest-ready, is quite rare/hard to acquire, and is pretty. this is a surprise?
Title: Re: Pokémon General
Post by: NejinOniwa on March 26, 2013, 04:20:39 am
I just never figured you for the Bulky Water kind of person, is all. Or a Gen3 favorist for that matter. I mean, the gap between, say, Espeon, and Milotic is pretty wide.
Title: Re: Pokémon General
Post by: Chocofreak13 on March 26, 2013, 11:47:24 am
i like a wide range of pokemon. Gyarodos has been one of my favourite pokemon since i was a kid. :3

besides, i played gen 3. the pokemon designs weren't bad, and some were kinda cool, like Milotic. ^^
Title: Re: Pokémon General
Post by: LeaflameSD on March 26, 2013, 11:59:40 am
Metapod. METAPOD.
Title: Re: Pokémon General
Post by: Chocofreak13 on March 26, 2013, 12:09:04 pm
name it penis. have it learn harden and string shot. next order of business.
Title: Re: Pokémon General
Post by: stewartsage on March 26, 2013, 06:12:55 pm
Playing my Gold game again.  Yes, I have a Level 27 Mareep fronting my team.
Title: Re: Pokémon General
Post by: Bella on March 26, 2013, 07:24:38 pm
Hey guys wats going on in here?
Title: Re: Pokémon General
Post by: NejinOniwa on March 26, 2013, 10:14:44 pm
Playing hacked pokémon heartgold, of course.

THEY ACTUALLY MADE MAWILE A VIABLE POKEMON ;V;
Title: Re: Pokémon General
Post by: Penti-chan on March 26, 2013, 10:42:43 pm
At the moment, I'm primarily juggling Black and my Nuzlocke run on Blue. Although, earlier I popped in SoulSilver for the first time in ages; finally doing the Arceus event to get a level 1 Palkia, and am now on my way to catch Mewtwo >:3
Title: Re: Pokémon General
Post by: Chocofreak13 on March 26, 2013, 11:25:09 pm
i need to get back into my pokeymans....both the gym leader runs and nuzlocke...
Title: Re: Pokémon General
Post by: NejinOniwa on March 27, 2013, 01:51:46 am
I'm thinking of doing a Low-Tier challenge as well, playing a game entirely without higher-tier pokémon as per smogon's tier list (http://www.smogon.com/bw/tiers/), but thinking about it there's actually a lot of really good ingame pokémon on both the NU and RU tiers. Heck, Glaceon is in NU. I feel slightly offended -_-
Title: Re: Pokémon General
Post by: Chocofreak13 on March 27, 2013, 02:51:50 am
well, gardevoir's on that list too, which makes me sad. :\
Title: Re: Pokémon General
Post by: Simonorged on March 27, 2013, 08:43:53 am
NO! Screw whoever made that list!
Gardevoir is absolutely awesome and strong.
She never loses when I'm behind her. >:(
Title: Re: Pokémon General
Post by: Penti-chan on March 27, 2013, 10:57:42 am
I third that. My Gardevoir kept killing Mewtwo when I was trying to catch him last night >_>;;
Title: Re: Pokémon General
Post by: Chocofreak13 on March 27, 2013, 11:57:07 am
we all knew it would come to this....

LIST OF MOST FUCKABLE POKEMON: GO.


(trolololololololololi'msorry)
Title: Re: Pokémon General
Post by: Simonorged on March 27, 2013, 01:00:33 pm
could I add mawile to that list?
Title: Re: Pokémon General
Post by: Penti-chan on March 27, 2013, 01:25:07 pm
Gardevoir, of course. Jynx, too
Title: Re: Pokémon General
Post by: Chocofreak13 on March 27, 2013, 01:29:57 pm
jynx.......srsly?

for all intents and purposes, let's make them human. or at least anthro.
Title: Re: Pokémon General
Post by: Penti-chan on March 27, 2013, 01:38:04 pm
Well, Jynx was the only human-like Pokémon in the original 151 :\
Title: Re: Pokémon General
Post by: Simonorged on March 27, 2013, 01:44:00 pm
Gardevoir, Mawile, Lucario, Lopunny, Liligant, Medicham, Meloetta. as is.

Nidoqueen, Jinx, Scyther & Sciczor, Latias. Anthro

Maybe Misdrevious and Frosslass
Title: Re: Pokémon General
Post by: NejinOniwa on March 27, 2013, 05:51:12 pm
Lucario is too badass to be sexed, and I don't really fancy Medicham...and how would you screw a Misdreavus anyway?

MEW, Gardevoir, Mawile, Froslass, Lopunny, Lilligant, Meloetta, Mienshao, Weavile, Swadloon/Leavanny, GOTHORITA/GOTHITELLE FOR FUCKS SAKE, also Virizion is slightly fuckable.

My mind is broken now i think
Title: Re: Pokémon General
Post by: Simonorged on March 27, 2013, 09:03:13 pm
The best part is, I've seen some of all of what you just mentioned.

And to answer your question, very carefully and with permission as she could kill you at any moment
Title: Re: Pokémon General
Post by: NejinOniwa on March 27, 2013, 10:34:46 pm
This is the internet, lad. Of course you have. I've actively searched for some of it.
Title: Re: Pokémon General
Post by: Chocofreak13 on March 28, 2013, 01:33:46 am
considering i'd be on the receiving end

vulpix/ninetails
misdreavus
gardevoir
any eeveelution
meowth/persian
dragonair
milotic
noctowl?
sneasel
houndoor/houndoom
smeargle
raikou/entei/suicune
mawile
roselia
spinda?
chimecho
absol


(please note that i am picturing all of them as hot, skinny anime boys with pokestyling, such as the eeveelutions having ears and tails)
Title: Re: Pokémon General
Post by: Simonorged on March 28, 2013, 01:22:14 pm
Aw the hell with this, all of the Pokemon except for the poison types.
Title: Re: Pokémon General
Post by: Chocofreak13 on March 28, 2013, 01:32:03 pm
dude.....ew. that means you'd try it with a shuckle.
Title: Re: Pokémon General
Post by: Simonorged on March 28, 2013, 01:52:43 pm
well maybe anthro where the shell is like armor.
Title: Re: Pokémon General
Post by: NejinOniwa on March 29, 2013, 02:34:23 am
I'M BEING PRODUCTIVE AGAIN (http://www.fimfiction.net/story/87424/master)
Title: Re: Pokémon General
Post by: Chocofreak13 on March 29, 2013, 11:09:52 am
oh god.....you did a crossover of THAT? dude, no, just no......
Title: Re: Pokémon General
Post by: Penti-chan on March 29, 2013, 11:12:10 am
I saw him mention that in Scrap Paper. Not really interested :\
Title: Re: Pokémon General
Post by: NejinOniwa on March 29, 2013, 01:41:27 pm
Why are you so negative? IT HAS APPLEJACK WITH SUICUNE'S HAT
Title: Re: Pokémon General
Post by: Chocofreak13 on March 29, 2013, 10:30:25 pm
can we go back to talking about pokemon furry porn?
Title: Re: Pokémon General
Post by: NejinOniwa on March 30, 2013, 01:16:20 am
Nah, that's stale.

I'll leave this thread alone until I have something good for it.
Title: Re: Pokémon General
Post by: Chocofreak13 on March 30, 2013, 03:05:34 am
alright, fair enough.
Title: Re: Pokémon General
Post by: LeaflameSD on March 30, 2013, 08:44:54 am
(http://guidesarchive.ign.com/guides/12045/images/porygon.gif)
Title: Re: Pokémon General
Post by: Penti-chan on March 30, 2013, 09:34:05 am
Hell yes, Porygon >:3

I have one on my team in Platinum
Title: Re: Pokémon General
Post by: alfonso_rd_30 on March 30, 2013, 07:48:13 pm
Quote from: NejinOniwa on March 26, 2013, 10:14:44 pm
Playing hacked pokémon heartgold, of course.

THEY ACTUALLY MADE MAWILE A VIABLE POKEMON ;V;


so, ya playing Sacred Gold too, eh Nej...?

DAMN YOU NEJ!!! YOU MADE ME READ A PONY FIC!!!
Title: Re: Pokémon General
Post by: Chocofreak13 on March 31, 2013, 11:59:41 am
that's all on you, man...

@leaf: ah porygon, the seizure pokemon....
Title: Re: Pokémon General
Post by: alfonso_rd_30 on March 31, 2013, 12:23:38 pm
Quote from: Chocofreak13 on March 31, 2013, 11:59:41 am
that's all on you, man...

@leaf: ah porygon, the seizure pokemon....


He provided the access... and the worst part...? it's damn good...
Title: Re: Pokémon General
Post by: NejinOniwa on March 31, 2013, 02:09:17 pm
Listen to this wise man, he knows the truth
Title: Re: Pokémon General
Post by: alfonso_rd_30 on March 31, 2013, 04:50:14 pm
it's good, yes, but that doesn't make it less an afront against nature
Title: Re: Pokémon General
Post by: NejinOniwa on April 01, 2013, 11:08:08 am
Nature is my bitch, I told her to be cool with it and she was
Title: Re: Pokémon General
Post by: alfonso_rd_30 on April 02, 2013, 12:18:02 am
dem Soul Emperers in Sacred Gold(fish)

(http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h131/alfonso_rd_24/DemSoulEmperors_zpsf1114244.png)
Title: Re: Pokémon General
Post by: NejinOniwa on April 09, 2013, 08:54:23 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W_KgsVeYIKM
Getting real, shit is.

Personally, I'm really starting to like this new generation now :D
Title: Re: Pokémon General
Post by: Chocofreak13 on April 10, 2013, 12:48:27 am
i agree with the poster, "WHY.....WHY????"
Title: Re: Pokémon General
Post by: Penti-chan on April 10, 2013, 01:15:20 am
As stupid as it seems, at least Pokémon is still evolving (No pun intended)

I mean, it's not great, but it's still a major step-up from them endlessly releasing New Super Mario Bros. :\
Title: Re: Pokémon General
Post by: alfonso_rd_30 on April 10, 2013, 03:09:14 am
if it isn't broken why fixit (exhibit A: Sonic the hedgehog)
Title: Re: Pokémon General
Post by: LeaflameSD on April 10, 2013, 10:11:51 am
Don't you mean SONIC THE HEDGEHOG?
Title: Re: Pokémon General
Post by: stewartsage on April 12, 2013, 10:35:39 am
Gotta go fast.
(http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20130123203938/gamegrumps/images/6/61/GREP.jpg)


But yeah, I've liked the cut of Gen V and VI's jib so far.  I think it's helped explain why I always felt so blah about a lot of the games.
Title: Re: Pokémon General
Post by: Chocofreak13 on April 12, 2013, 11:16:30 am
eh, someone on vampire freaks was sort of making fun of me for still using an "old" console anyway, so i think that explains my thoughts on it all. the only things i like about games after gen 3 are the new eeveelutions (and i'm not sure i count Sylveon as an eeveelution.....w/e) and the goth pokemon. :\
Title: Re: Pokémon General
Post by: NejinOniwa on April 12, 2013, 11:44:18 am
Well, the only problem with the new generations I see is quite honestly the fact that they're still making bad pokémon. And make no mistake, there were bad pokémon in the first gens too - they're just less so because of nostalgia goggle bias, that's all. Besides, the story has been evolving a lot, and the game mechanics are getting meatier and meatier. I'm still awed by the shit they pulled with Giratina in Platinum, because honestly, that shit is so damn awesome - and if that's anywhere close to what'll happen with the 3DS stuff they'll be doing with the new gen, I'm going to love it just because of that.

I really need to get a damn 3DS soon >_>
Title: Re: Pokémon General
Post by: LeaflameSD on April 12, 2013, 12:05:41 pm
You can tell Game Freak/Nintendo(?) are slowly running out of ideas for new Pokemon.
Title: Re: Pokémon General
Post by: Penti-chan on April 12, 2013, 12:10:47 pm
True, but they at least try. Even scraping the bottom of the barrel is something; instead of "let's add new levels to New Super Mario Bros. and sell it to the masses as a new game!"
Title: Re: Pokémon General
Post by: LeaflameSD on April 12, 2013, 12:39:26 pm
Yessir
Title: Re: Pokémon General
Post by: Chocofreak13 on April 12, 2013, 12:45:28 pm
tbh i wish they'd just let it die with dignity. Mario is Nintendo's baby, thus he will NEVER die (unless the company dies, and even in the unlikely event it does he probably STILL wouldn't die), but pokemon has been dragged out long enough. let's think of a new idea for the kids.

@nej: one of my major issues with the new series (besides the mountians of crap pokemon) is ALL THE DAMN LEGENDARIES. i mean, seriously, how many can we really have. back in gen1 we had the legendary trio and mew/mewtwo, though those were semi-uncatchable in the US releases. gen 2 had a new legendary trio and then the moon/sun birds (i'm counting lugia as a bird here because s/he's not dragon-type), etc etc. gen 3 was where it started to get excessive, since in all there were 13 possible legendaries to catch (i'm counting all 4 forms of Deoxys in that count, 9 if he's only counted once). and it's only gone up from there. hence the arguement, "When Everyone is Super, No One Will Be" (thanks Syndrome for that quote).

Muk was kind of a stupid pokemon design. cute, but i mean, a puddle of ooze...? (porygon was pretty weird, too)
Title: Re: Pokémon General
Post by: stewartsage on April 12, 2013, 02:52:04 pm
Shut your mouth about Porygon, Porygon is the best Pokemon.  At least that's what I thought circa whenever it was I got my GBC.

Still love that polygonal little shit though.  I also can't say I've ever bothered to catch a legendary except for Zapdos... I was sitting in my dad's jeep out front of the Presbytery office while he returned a projector and I nailed the sum'bitch.
Title: Re: Pokémon General
Post by: Penti-chan on April 12, 2013, 03:20:55 pm
Nice -w-
Also, agreed. Porygon is cool

As for the whole "too many legendary Pokémon" thing, I have noticed a few that are labeled as legendary, yet I honestly don't see why. Shamin, for instance; which design wise is rather forgettable, and feels like it could have just been a rarer normal Pokémon instead of being put under the same label as titans like Mewtwo or Giratina, or "cute legendaries" like Mew or Celebi
Title: Re: Pokémon General
Post by: Chocofreak13 on April 12, 2013, 04:12:30 pm
i'm gonna get flamed for this but Lucario falls into that catagory for me. as do the Unova trio, whatever the fuck their names are. and that shamin bitch/bastard/whatever. even celebi was a bit much, since that means that gen 2 technically had 6 (11 if you count the gen 1 legendaries too).

i'm not saying porygon was BAD per se, just weird. i mean, think of the concept behind it: a virtual pokemon? what use is that in a REAL battle? everything would phase right through. :\
porygon2's design sucked too, and i'm not ashamed to say that.

@stew: actually, zapdos was the only gen 1 legendary i captured, too. the other two were just insanely hard to get to and i had no idea where they were till i put two and two together just now. =__=;;
Title: Re: Pokémon General
Post by: Penti-chan on April 12, 2013, 04:48:41 pm
Wait...Lucario is legendary? Never knew that, and yet I have one ._____.;;
Title: Re: Pokémon General
Post by: Chocofreak13 on April 12, 2013, 05:11:16 pm
it was treated as such since it got its own pokemon movie. i always assumed it was. w/e, i still don't like it. never have. in fact, this sums up my feelings.

(http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i98/Chocofreak13/080519_zpsd16010e4.jpg)
Title: Re: Pokémon General
Post by: Penti-chan on April 12, 2013, 05:21:01 pm
It probably is, but I never really acknowledged it as such :\

Also, while I am enjoying Black from a story perspective, the monster designs have yet to really jump out at me
Title: Re: Pokémon General
Post by: NejinOniwa on April 12, 2013, 05:42:12 pm
Kids these days...no, just no.

1: Lucario isn't even a semi-legendary like the Dragon trees or Tyranitar. He's just another rare pokémon, like Lapras or Eevee. You get a Riolu egg from this one chap in DPPt, which evolves into Lucario at max happiness. B2W2 is the first time you've been able to get Riolu in the wild, much like Eevee (and he's similarly rare, only available in one location and at very low catch rate/encounter rate). Besides, throw shit on Lucario and his movie and I'll beat your ass - the Lucario movie is the best Pokémon movie there ever was, and that's that.
2: Shaymin got his movie with Giratina, which made him pretty nice in my book. He was one of the first to really utilize Forme changes in any big way, too, and his Sky Forme makes him well strong enough to handle himself in Ubers. There are plenty of worse random legendaries to go around, like Manaphy and shit like that.
3: Speaking of Ubers, "Mew-who" is quite an overstatement. Mewtwo is the original Uber pokémon, and he has always been (and will likely always remain) one of the premier sweepers in existence. The only pokémon who beat his Sp. Atk. stat are Deoxys-A and Kyurem-W - the former being the epitome of offense and the frailest Uber in existence, and the latter being significantly slower and only somewhat bulkier, with a pretty large typing problem.

Of course pokémon are going to introduce new species as the series continue. It's in its nature. I don't mind, because even though we may get our fair share of Garbodors (A GARBAGE POKÉMON? REALLY?) and obligatory dog/cat/rodents, we also get plenty of good stuff as well. G5 gave us bug-types that are actually good (Volcarona, Swadloon), cool Ghost-types (CHANDELURE MOTHERFUCKER), a really nice take on expanded storylines in general, as well as our first true sequel. G4 gave us GIRATINA MOTHERFUCKER, DO YOU SPEAK IT, Lucario, an enormous helping of new evolutions of old pokémon - many of which were well needed and equally well received - as well as some of the coolest cutscenes/graphics I've seen on the DS to date (Distortion World/Giratina general on Platinum, Ho-oh/Lugia's entrances in HGSS, and more). Sure, we got Bibarel in there, but you don't need to catch one. The freedom of pokémon is that you can completely ignore the parts you don't want, and feast your eyes upon what you like. The more we get, the more there will be that's ultimately going to be good; add to that a steadily improving game engine and plot general, and you have a game that's evolving quickly from mere nostalgia trips to a masterpiece of a modern game.

Personally, I'm excited for the possibilities of G6 for two reasons. One, it's a new system with lots of new power, and plenty of new cool features have been confirmed already. Two, out of the 7 pokémon (starters, version mascots, sylveon, m3) that have been revealed so far, 2 are derived or related to old generations. That's more than 25%, man. On average, every generation has added about 150 pokémon or so. If I get 40 new evolutions of old pokémon and stuff like that with X&Y, it's going to be fucking awesome.

If they give us a Mawile evo...

Fuck my wallet. :D
Title: Re: Pokémon General
Post by: Chocofreak13 on April 12, 2013, 07:34:57 pm
i am now tempted to make mawile fanart

AS A TRIBUTE TO MASTER

(oh, and i still need to scan that "science of parties" pic i drew years ago.)
Title: Re: Pokémon General
Post by: NejinOniwa on April 12, 2013, 10:31:21 pm
Mawile is fucking awesomedorable. If only she had better stats, I'd be crying tears of joy...
Title: Re: Pokémon General
Post by: Bella on April 12, 2013, 11:46:58 pm
Thinking about getting in on the Pokemon fun (because I will be damned if people are having fun and I'm not in on it), what do you guys recommend for an emulator (preferably OS X 10.6 compatible, but I have a Windows 7 rig to so that doesn't really matter) and game ROM?
Title: Re: Pokémon General
Post by: Penti-chan on April 12, 2013, 11:53:14 pm
If you want to play one of the games from the first 2 generations (Red \ Blue \ Yellow, and Gold \ Silver \ Crystal), my emulator of choice is BGB. However, it's Windows only; so you'd have to do it on Windows 7 or setup Wine on your Mac (Which, it works great through Wine on Linux Mint).
Title: Re: Pokémon General
Post by: LeaflameSD on April 13, 2013, 02:03:19 am
VisualBoyAdvance
Title: Re: Pokémon General
Post by: Chocofreak13 on April 13, 2013, 03:23:31 am
is what i use. have yet to find one for DS and up.
Title: Re: Pokémon General
Post by: NejinOniwa on April 13, 2013, 05:48:50 am
DeSMumE or Nocash work about equally fine for DS games. Googling and torrent sites for the roms, as usual. DS emulation is pretty resource-intensive, though; it works well enough on OMEGA, but I don't know about lesser systems.
Title: Re: Pokémon General
Post by: Penti-chan on April 13, 2013, 12:24:16 pm
Meanwhile, you can do full-speed Game Boy Color emulation on just about anything from a 200Mhz Pentium MMX on up via BGB -w-
Title: Re: Pokémon General
Post by: alfonso_rd_30 on April 13, 2013, 09:44:12 pm
Peronally I'm all up for VBA (link) for pre DS games, while I recccommmeenndd No$ or Ideas for anything DS... I'm sure there's a Mac verion of the 333 Emuses.... as for games... pretty much anyone is cool (Running 3 games here (Heart and Sacred Gold and Soul Silver Surfer))
Title: Re: Pokémon General
Post by: Chocofreak13 on April 13, 2013, 10:08:04 pm
i'm pretty sure VBA has a mac version.
Title: Re: Pokémon General
Post by: Bella on April 13, 2013, 10:39:18 pm
Thanks for the advice, I have VBA installed on my Mac and have played Gold before, so I'll probably just get back into that. Though I seem to recall VBA being rather crashy on OS X (I think I usually ran it on my virtualized XP machine because it was too troublesome on OS X)...
Title: Re: Pokémon General
Post by: Chocofreak13 on April 14, 2013, 12:11:41 am
i haven't tested it on mac, so i can't say.

get crystal. it's superiour.
Title: Re: Pokémon General
Post by: Penti-chan on April 14, 2013, 12:30:23 am
Indeed. I can hook you up with a ROM of Crystal, if interested :3
Title: Re: Pokémon General
Post by: Chocofreak13 on April 14, 2013, 02:04:57 am
any chance someone can provide me with a concensus on which DS emulator to use? given that i don't even own the physical console idk what to look for in one.... .~.
Title: Re: Pokémon General
Post by: Penti-chan on April 14, 2013, 02:09:22 am
DeSmuMe seems to be the most popular, since I heard NO$GBA (Which offers DS support) is no longer actively developed
Title: Re: Pokémon General
Post by: alfonso_rd_30 on April 14, 2013, 02:48:20 am
but desmume is buggy as hell!!! Ideas is a better replacement for No$
Title: Re: Pokémon General
Post by: Penti-chan on April 14, 2013, 02:56:04 am
I guess. It's not the buggiest I've ever used, thankfully (Red Dragon, a Virtual Boy emulator, was slow and awkward to use...but it did offer support for the system's stereoscopic 3D via the classic red-and-blue glasses -w-)
Title: Re: Pokémon General
Post by: alfonso_rd_30 on April 14, 2013, 03:00:01 am
ugh! I remember Red Dragon... and the Virtual Boy... shittiest console EVER!
Title: Re: Pokémon General
Post by: Penti-chan on April 14, 2013, 03:09:39 am
Indeed. The only game that'd make me consider buying one is Virtual Boy Wario Land; which I greatly enjoyed regardless of the buggy emulator.

Back on the subject of Pokemon, I think I've played a game from each generation in an emulator at least once; usually before owning a copy, or in a few cases, after the point (Challenge runs, etc.)
Title: Re: Pokémon General
Post by: Chocofreak13 on April 14, 2013, 04:00:59 am
emulation is so easy. most of my cartridges don't even save anymore ;v;
Title: Re: Pokémon General
Post by: NejinOniwa on April 14, 2013, 06:20:26 am
Desmume isn't buggy at all once you get it running, really. It's just that you have to get your save file type right, which can be difficult...
Title: Re: Pokémon General
Post by: Penti-chan on April 14, 2013, 10:08:55 am
@Kari: That's why I want to learn how to solder; so I can replace the batteries in old games (My copy of Donkey Kong Land 2, especially)
Title: Re: Pokémon General
Post by: LeaflameSD on April 14, 2013, 01:06:03 pm
No$GBA supports Nintendo WiFi if you are playing Pokemon with friends and junk.
Title: Re: Pokémon General
Post by: Chocofreak13 on April 14, 2013, 01:20:27 pm
@nej: is there anything easier? i don't want to have to finagle things to get them to work, i just want them to work. >>;
@pent: well, if you get good, maybe you can fix mine. if you don't, there's a used game store around here that can fix them for us. -w-
Title: Re: Pokémon General
Post by: Penti-chan on April 14, 2013, 01:26:36 pm
@Leaf: Cool. Might be tempting to do, to maybe make hacked versions of old Pokémon I had on Blue, and trade them to my actual copy of Platinum *w*
Title: Re: Pokémon General
Post by: Chocofreak13 on April 14, 2013, 01:42:43 pm
oo, that would make it a lot easier to complete a pokedex in a game where getting some pokemon in that region is damn near impossible. (ergo, getting a charmander in hoenn.)
Title: Re: Pokémon General
Post by: LeaflameSD on April 14, 2013, 02:40:58 pm
Quote from: PentiumMMX on April 14, 2013, 01:26:36 pm
@Leaf: Cool. Might be tempting to do, to maybe make hacked versions of old Pokémon I had on Blue, and trade them to my actual copy of Platinum *w*

Though I think it's only 2.4b and up that supports it. And it only supports DS and GBA.
Title: Re: Pokémon General
Post by: NejinOniwa on April 14, 2013, 02:59:12 pm
Nocash is good and I used it in the past, but I've had issues with it with certain games. I've switched to Desmume since.
Title: Re: Pokémon General
Post by: Chocofreak13 on April 14, 2013, 03:34:51 pm
thanks. i'll download it later.
Title: Re: Pokémon General
Post by: SoldierSpence on April 15, 2013, 09:16:42 pm
When I was little, I actually did not like Pokémon at all.  Sure, I did watch my older brother play them, and watching the Anime, but that was about it.  It was not until I got to playing Diamond and HeartGold roughly three summers ago.  Holy Hoppips, I could not believe I missed out on such an amazing series.  Granted, the stories were about as basic as you could get, but the gameplay, music, and strategies is where it really shines.  I was hooked on from there on out, even to this day.  When Gen 5 was introduced, I loved every second of it.  Gen 5's life-span was short, yet fun.

Even though I am not a competitive battler, I can give you tips on how to use Togekiss.

[spoiler]For the moveset, I would recommend the following moves:
1. Aura Sphere- This is not only the best Special Fighting move, but it can take care of any Ice, Rock, Steel, Dark, and Normal types.  It never misses, which is a huge plus if your opponent is spamming Double Team.  A Move Tutor is required to have this move.
2. Air Slash- It not only gets STAB, but it also has a 15% chance of making the opponent flinch.  Works great against, Bug, Grass, and Fight Types.  Once again, a Move Tutor is required to have this on your list.
3. Magical Leaf- This is where things get interesting.  Have Togetic (Togekiss's pre-evolution) learn Magical Leaf via Move Tutor, to help battle against Ground, Rock, and Water Types.
4. Extrasensory or Safeguard- Safeguard to protect the team from status effects.  As for Extrasensory, not only does it have a base power of 80, but it also has 30 Power Points to boot.  Plus, it has a 15% percent change of flinching the opponent as well.  Works great against Fight and Poison types.  It can either be obtained through the in-game Togepi Egg Event in HeartGold and SoulSilver, or have a Togekiss mate with a Noctowl to have this move on the list.

The key words to this moveset are Type Coverage.This moveset covers 10 (or 11) of the 17 (soon to be 19) types.  With Togekiss having a high Special Attack stat, I would recommend rasing it with the EVs in Special Attack, Defence, and Speed.  Togekiss's abilities are Hustle and Serene Grace.  Hustle increases the user's physical Attack by 80%, but at the cost of accuracy decrasing by 20%.  The other, Serene Grace, doubles the effects of certain moves.  Since Extrasensory and Air Slash have a 15% of making the opponent flinch, that will be doubled to 30%.  This can also serve as an annoyence to the enemy team.
The items of choice would Leftovers, or a Life Orb.  Leftovers to have the Pokémon get a small bit of health back after each turn.  The Life Orb to have the power of attacks increase by 30%, at the cost of a small bit of health.

How did I know all of this?  For one, this took some planning out for when I have a Tokekiss on my evental 3rd or 4th playthrough of HeartGold.  Secondly, you can thank The National Dex channel on Youtube and Bulbapedia for the information.

Also, the 19 types I mentioned?  Simonorgred had informed me that Gen 6 is going to have two new types: Light and Sound.  I Light can see working against Dark types, but what about Sound?  What are your thoughts on this, guys?[/spoiler]
Title: Re: Pokémon General
Post by: alfonso_rd_30 on April 16, 2013, 03:06:13 am
lovely setup for togetiks
Title: Re: Pokémon General
Post by: SoldierSpence on April 16, 2013, 07:23:15 am
Quote from: alfonso_rd_30 on April 16, 2013, 03:06:13 am
lovely setup for togetiks

Thank you.  He also has access to other moves like Rock Smash, Flamethrower, Sky Attack, Shadow Ball, Ancient Power, and Silver Wind, just to name a few other moves.
Title: Re: Pokémon General
Post by: NejinOniwa on April 16, 2013, 08:03:57 am
Quote from: SoldierSpence on April 15, 2013, 09:16:42 pm
When I was little, I actually did not like Pokémon at all.  Sure, I did watch my older brother play them, and watching the Anime, but that was about it.  It was not until I got to playing Diamond and HeartGold roughly three summers ago.  Holy Hoppips, I could not believe I missed out on such an amazing series.  Granted, the stories were about as basic as you could get, but the gameplay, music, and strategies is where it really shines.  I was hooked on from there on out, even to this day.  When Gen 5 was introduced, I loved every second of it.  Gen 5's life-span was short, yet fun.

Even though I am not a competitive battler, I can give you tips on how to use Togekiss.

For the moveset, I would recommend the following moves:
1. Aura Sphere- This is not only the best Special Fighting move, but it can take care of any Ice, Rock, Steel, Dark, and Normal types.  It never misses, which is a huge plus if your opponent is spamming Double Team.  A Move Tutor is required to have this move.
2. Air Slash- It not only gets STAB, but it also has a 15% chance of making the opponent flinch.  Works great against, Bug, Grass, and Fight Types.  Once again, a Move Tutor is required to have this on your list.
3. Magical Leaf- This is where things get interesting.  Have Togetic (Togekiss's pre-evolution) learn Magical Leaf via Move Tutor, to help battle against Ground, Rock, and Water Types.
4. Extrasensory or Safeguard- Safeguard to protect the team from status effects.  As for Extrasensory, not only does it have a base power of 80, but it also has 30 Power Points to boot.  Plus, it has a 15% percent change of flinching the opponent as well.  Works great against Fight and Poison types.  It can either be obtained through the in-game Togepi Egg Event in HeartGold and SoulSilver, or have a Togekiss mate with a Noctowl to have this move on the list.

The key words to this moveset are Type Coverage.This moveset covers 10 (or 11) of the 17 (soon to be 19) types.  With Togekiss having a high Special Attack stat, I would recommend rasing it with the EVs in Special Attack, Defence, and Speed.  Togekiss's abilities are Hustle and Serene Grace.  Hustle increases the user's physical Attack by 80%, but at the cost of accuracy decrasing by 20%.  The other, Serene Grace, doubles the effects of certain moves.  Since Extrasensory and Air Slash have a 15% of making the opponent flinch, that will be doubled to 30%.  This can also serve as an annoyence to the enemy team.
The items of choice would Leftovers, or a Life Orb.  Leftovers to have the Pokémon get a small bit of health back after each turn.  The Life Orb to have the power of attacks increase by 30%, at the cost of a small bit of health.

How did I know all of this?  For one, this took some planning out for when I have a Tokekiss on my evental 3rd or 4th playthrough of HeartGold.  Secondly, you can thank The National Dex channel on Youtube and Bulbapedia for the information.

Also, the 19 types I mentioned?  Simonorgred had informed me that Gen 6 is going to have two new types: Light and Sound.  I Light can see working against Dark types, but what about Sound?  What are your thoughts on this, guys?


Light/Sound? Not likely, in my book. So far that's all speculation, which goes for pretty much everything that's not included on this page (http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Generation_VI). If it DOES end up happening, though...

That'd be a BIG metagame change going in right there.

Re: Togekiss, you're forgetting something important about him. Namely, his ability, Serene Grace, which doubles the chance of additional effects like Air Slash' flinch occurring (15% becomes 30%). For that reason, some of the best strategies to use with Togekiss involve paraflinching (Paralysis/Flinch move combo); thus, I'd remove Magical Leaf for Thunder Wave (or Body Slam if you're feeling gimmicky) in that set. Aura Sphere is usually too good to pass up on, but it depends on what you're aiming to accomplish if you want to keep it or not.

More importantly, however, Togekiss has access to Nasty Plot, which is a Special counterpart to Swords Dance. Basically, the boosting move every special attacker could only wish they had. Get one or two of those up, and you can sweep through just about anything your opponent throws at you, super effective or not.

If you want a more defensive option, Togekiss has Roost for healing. It also rids him of his flying-type for a turn if you're fast enough, so if you see a slow-moving Electric type on the field you might be able to mitigate a lot of damage.

Extrasensory isn't that bad an idea, but ultimately Air Slash is better since you get STAB (Same Type Attack Bonus, power x1.5) off it. Double flinch moves is more than a bit gimmicky, and why would you need a Psychic type move anyway? You already have Air Slash for fighting types, and Aura Sphere for a shitload of other things. Virtually the only thing you can't get at least neutral hits on is Zapdos, and Emolga if you're playing G5 - basically, Electric/Flying. Shadow Ball and Ancientpower are somewhat viable alternatives, giving nice coverage (Ghost/Psychic types and Flying/Fire/Bug/Ice types respectively, though you already have Bug/Ice covered), and they both have nice secondary effects as well.

Item-wise, Leftovers for defensive sets and Choice Scarf/Life Orb for most of the others. With Life Orb in particular, having Roost is very beneficial.
Title: Re: Pokémon General
Post by: SoldierSpence on April 16, 2013, 09:02:12 am
Thanks for the advice.

Any tips on how to use Driftblim?  I know one of the moves required for his moveset is Stockpile.  Coming from personal experience, if you don't have this move- the you're in for quite the pounding.  On top of that, his new and exsclusive Hidden Ability Flame Boost increases his Special Attack stat by 50% when burned, making this living blimp a Special monster.
Title: Re: Pokémon General
Post by: NejinOniwa on April 16, 2013, 05:30:12 pm
Yeah, but deliberately burning yourself is pretty stupid, unless you have Magic Guard or something.

Drifblim is pretty meh, unfortunately. It's got an unique typing, but it's one that gives it a shitload of weaknesses to everything. It's got loads of HP, but meh speed, crappy defense, and as mentioned before bad typing. What it DOES have going for it is a shitload of resistances and immunities, decent attack stats, and two rare abilities that aren't reliant on the Dream World. Unburden is really cool stuff, at least in G5; you load it up with a Flying Gem and Acrobatics, and let 'er rip. Acrobatics doubles in power when the user doesn't have an item; Unburden increases your Speed when you lose your item; Flying Gem increases the power of a Flying-type move once, and is used up, disappearing. On the first use of Acrobatics the flying gem increases its power and you get a shitload of speed, and on the subsequent uses you already have that speed and the power of your attack is doubled by your lack of item.

The rest of the set depends on what you want to accomplish with it - and the above example is hardly mandatory.
Shadow Ball+Calm Mind is a decent combo, and if you throw Substitute and Baton Pass on there you can either set up for a sweep on your own or pass on the bonuses (and maybe a Substitute if you're lucky) to someone else. You could substitute Calm Mind for Stockpile if you're in great need of a defensive stack, but beware that Stockpile only goes up to +3.  There's Thunderbolt, if you want that, and Amnesia in B2W2. If you want a suicide bomber you can always go Aftermath and Destiny Bond/Explosion or some shit. He doesn't have the biggest movepool, but there's enough to go around.
Title: Re: Pokémon General
Post by: SoldierSpence on April 16, 2013, 05:58:31 pm
Hmm, not bad. :)

Here's a classic set up: Breloom+Poison Heal+Toxic Orb+Facade= You might want to get a pregenency test, because you just got legimatly raped.  Throw Brick Break (or Sky Uppercut), Seed Bomb, Arial Ace, EVs in Attack and Speed, and you've got your self a formula for utter ownage.  Wouldn't you agree?

How about Empolleon, Crowbat and Hitmontop?  Any ideas?

[spoiler]One other thing I forgot to mention about Togekiss, is his Hidden Ability- Super Luck.  As the name implies, the Pokémon has a higher chance of landing Critical Hits.  It works great with moves like Night Slash and Psyco Cut, sense they have a high chance of landing a Critical Hit as well.

Edit: Me and my older brother have been racing Diamond and Pearl ever since the beginning of my school year.  We have finally reached the Elite Four, and have entered a massive grinding session, until we could reach Cynthia and lose to her on purpose.  Aaron's Drapion uses Ice Fang on Rapidash.  And it FREEZES Rapidash for about 7 or 8 turns (I had Hyper Potions)!  How on Arceus does one freeze a FIRE TYPE Pokémon!?  How!?  HOW!?!?!?  This has got to be the most stupidest thing I have ever seen in my entire life!  Even more so then that one time, Simon and I were playing Zelda: Four Swords Adventures: Anniversery Edition, and we found a bomb underneath a flame field in Death Mountain!

OK, I have to say it- I WAS FORZEN TODAY!![/spoiler]
Title: Re: Pokémon General
Post by: NejinOniwa on April 17, 2013, 12:47:44 pm
Ice trumps over everything. :)

And while Poison Healoom isn't bad by any means...
Well, just head over to G5, and I'll have Swords Dance Techniloom have a word with you. Fist-to-face, that is. _W_
Title: Re: Pokémon General
Post by: SoldierSpence on April 17, 2013, 06:38:03 pm
I finally got the idea for how my Togekiss is going to be.  Here it is:
Nature: Modest (Increases Special Attack, but decreases Physical Attack.)
EVs in: Special Attack and Speed
Item: Life Orb or Leftovers
Ability: Serene Grace
Moveset
1. Aura Sphere
2. Air Slash
3. Thunder Wave
4. Roost or Nasty Plot.  Roost for the Life Orb, and Nasty Plot for Leftovers.

What do you think about that?
Title: Re: Pokémon General
Post by: NejinOniwa on April 17, 2013, 08:51:39 pm
Seems about regularly good. Paraflinchers are always nice.
Title: Re: Pokémon General
Post by: SoldierSpence on April 18, 2013, 10:24:24 am
Are they not?  Now, any advice for Empolleon?  He's one of my favorite Pokémon from Gen 4.
Title: Re: Pokémon General
Post by: Simonorged on April 18, 2013, 10:46:21 am
@Nej: you say only regularly good, are there any better combinations?
Title: Re: Pokémon General
Post by: NejinOniwa on April 18, 2013, 11:01:29 am
Regularly good, because it's a very standard competitive set. Of course, standard competitive set means pretty much "what the meta thinks is the best right now", so there.

How good it actually is depends on what you want done with it, of course.
Title: Re: Pokémon General
Post by: Simonorged on April 18, 2013, 02:59:26 pm
When I play I hardly ever have Pokemon with status moves. Paralyze burn etc.
I usually go for attack/special attack moves. and by that I mean the best they can learn.
My favorite team includes Gardevoir, Arcanine, and Scizzor. Because in my book they're all power houses. I try to teach them moves that make up for type disadvantages, which usually works out well. This works out perfectly against the computer but against other users, I'm a sitting ducklet, I mean most of the time they can run circles around me or take me out easily with a well placed out rage. I've never use status moves because it just seems to prolong the battle.

Although I do enjoy a good Darkrai
Title: Re: Pokémon General
Post by: Penti-chan on April 18, 2013, 04:11:34 pm
I used to be the same, although I've found it fun to often have a Pokémon in my team that specializes primarily in status moves; mostly to mess with my foes (After all, my Butterfree was a troll in battle)
Title: Re: Pokémon General
Post by: Chocofreak13 on April 18, 2013, 11:00:27 pm
when i have a pokemon that is capable of learning status-effecters, especially bug pokemon, i typically keep one or two around. after all, it always helps to poison a foe at the start, since then for the rest of the battle it's like you get 2 attacks instead of just one.

(also helpful to paralyze or cast sleep on a powerful opponent or one that is likely to run. -w- )
Title: Re: Pokémon General
Post by: NejinOniwa on April 19, 2013, 12:32:32 am
The main thing is to think about what you need your set to accomplish, and compare that with what you have available.

Do you need a setup sweeper? Physical or Special? Does it need to be bulky? Is it a lead? How good at predicting are you, and how much are you willing to risk on it? What about entry hazards and status absorbing? How do you counter certain elements on the opposing team?

Ordinarily, you seldom have a use for a pure tank, status dealer or entry hazard user in single player mode. Simply because the AI doesn't think that far, and doesn't have enough power or tools to match you in the first place anyway. Most times in the game your optimal pokémon is one that can stay alive and healthy and sweep through smaller opposing teams without getting hurt or running out of moves too much before you can get to the next pokémon center. A fast, hard-hitting sweeper that doesn't need to set up is optimal for this sort of thing, and you can usually count on your opponent to not switch around or use other tryhard tactics.

Take your stereotypical single player team - call it Team A - composed of six different pokémon. They all have reasonably powerful attacking stats, movesets with strong reliable attacks and lots of coverage, and lots of speed everywhere; most likely there'll be a few half-useless HM moves in there as well (useless except for Fly and Surf, at least), to get you around the map properly. None of the members of Team A are likely to have all their best moves, however, since you very rarely get to level 100 in regular gameplay. All the members of Team A fulfill a similar role - the regular, setup-less sweeper - and aside from variations in type, coverage moves, small gimmicks and the like, they are essentially all the same pokémon. The main goal in Team A is to have strong type coverage for every possible opponent, leading to a very spread-out team as far as typing goes. This means there is not much in terms of team synergy to be found in most cases, which leads us to...

Team B. Team B is your average competitive online battling set. It is composed of 6 quite different pokémon, and depending on which tier you're playing in (or if you're just playing Wi-Fi battles for lulz) and just how tryhard you are, these 6 pokémon can have a myriad of roles. However, there are a few common elements that usually come into play.

Weather setters. Sand Stream Tyranitar/Hippototas, Drizzle Politoed/Kyogre, Drought Ninetales/Groudon, even Abomasnow and its Snow Warning. These pokémon have abilities that summon various weather conditions, and with the new G5 changes, these weather conditions Last The Entire Game, unless someone comes in and changes them. This means that your various weather effects - Fire-type boosts and instant Solarbeams in Clear Skies, increased Water-type damage and 100% accuracy for Thunder and Hurricane in Rain, Sp. Def increase for Ground/Rock/Steel-types in Sandstorm, and damage to those who aren't, Sand Rush speed boosts, the list goes on - will be around for the entire game if you have a lead with one of these abilities, or for the rest of it if you bring him in later. Weather has a LOT of importance in the metagame, and is not to be underestimated. Weather setters are few and in between, and their only real job is really to get out on the field and get their ability in play; the rest is considered a bonus.

Entry hazard setters. This is one common Leads (your first pokemon on the field), and for a simple reason: once the hazard setter has done its job, it means free damage for every single pokemon your opponent brings in after that. Stealth Rock, the thing that keeps any pokémon ever with a 4x weakness to Rock out of competitive play almost entirely, because half their health vanishes every time they switch in. Spikes, and their Toxic counterpart, that gives any pokémon that isn't Flying (and thus weak to Stealth Rock) or Levitating a headache and/or bad case of stomachache. Hazard setters are usually bulky and reasonably fast, preferably wearing a Focus Sash or having the Sturdy ability, ensuring they get at least one layer of hazards out before going down, and most of them are suicide leads; sometimes they may even carry Explosion or something in that vein, to put an extra oomph in before disappearing.
That also brings us to the counters and subsequent counter-counters to hazard setters: Spinners and Spinblockers, along with the less common but no less useful Magic Bouncers like Espeon. Rapid Spin is a normal-type move that deals virtually no damage but removes all entry hazards from your side of the field. Remember Forretress? He invented this game on his own, pretty much, but Skarmory holds the wang these days. Likewise, a Spinblocker is someone who can prevent the Rapid Spin from happening and take down the Spinner; namely a ghost-type of some kind (since RS is a normal-type move), usually with decent bulk and attacking power. Finally, Magic Bounce is a poorly distributed (but very awesome) ability that bounces back a shitload of moves right in your enemy's face, including any hazards; making your opponent think twice about even using them.

General support types. So many kinds of them there are. Baton Pass users, boosting up and passing on boosts to a sweeper in need of extra speed or power. Screen setters, getting Reflect/Light Screen up for long time love and decreased damage to your team. So many of them. Gaaah.

So you have your nice little sweeper and your cool status setter ready, and you're about to roll some major pain your opponent's way. Or are you? Sweeper, meet Staller. Status setter, meet Status absorber. How frustrating isn't it to use Toxic on a Dewgong or something, for it only to use Rest and Sleep Talk you to death? You switch in your Charizard (why would you use Charizard, really, why) and your opponent laughs at you as he brings out a Pink Blob Of Ultimate Walling (Chansey/Blissey/Something else that's pink and has a ridiculously high HP stat), absorbing your Fire Blasts like they were Embers and healing it up right away, only to kill you off with Toxic and Seismic Toss spam? Yeah, these are the guys that just ruin your day. You may also run into a Cleric, who's usually one of these things as well and bringing Wish (heals for half of caster's hp 2 turns later) and Heal Bell/Aromatherapy or something (heals all status across team) into play as well. Either way, these are the guys that you seldom, if at all, see in the single player game simply because of the fact that HEY, ITEMS ARE ALLOWED, and you don't need to do a convoluted bait-and-switch scheme to heal your sweeper up to full HP and no poisoning, just pop a Full Restore and bam. Also another thing that doesn't happen too often in the single player game is PP stalling, which is doubly effective if you have a pokemon with the ability Pressure (like half of the legendaries ever made have). Strong moves have limited PP in most cases, and that is a vulnerability in itself.

Finally, we have the damage dealers. You may think you know all about offense, but I advise you to rethink that notion. Damage dealers are usually divided into Early and Late game, depending on when they are most effective bringing out the hurt. A very fast pokémon with a priority move or two and good coverage might be a good sweeper, but it may be an even better Revenge Killer - basically, the guy you send in after one of your guys have gone down to Get Rid Of The Enemy Sweeper That Just Killed Him, and Will continue doing so if you don't stop him Now. There are Setup Sweepers, who switch in on something that can't handle them/is sleeping, get a boosting move or two off, and proceed to wreak fucking havoc until they fall over. There are plain brute-force Life Orb users who just get right in and start kicking ass straight off - the penultimate form of the sweepers we saw in Team A. There are Choice users, who lock themselves into one move with superior attack power/speed from their item, either scouting with U-turn/Volt Switch or kicking ass until they find themselves facing something they can't touch, and switch out. There are Pursuit users, who switch in against vulnerable Psychics or Ghosts, who are scared off and killed on the switch (hits double on foes switching out, before they switch, Dark-type move). There are Substitute users. There are Status inducers, even though these are usually found among the more defensive pokémon. There are hybrids like Breloom, who double as status inducer AND offensive powerhouse. There are SO MANY WAYS TO HURT PEOPLE IN THIS GAME, and so many tactics to use.

TL;DR - Depending on what you want to do with your team, you can set it up in an almost infinite amount of different combinations. Just based on the number of pokémon, there are 74,725,388,357,583,601 combinations to use (649 g5 pokes, ^6, over 74 QUADRILLION combinations) in a single party - and that's without even starting to think about abilities or moves. Sure, there's a lot less of it that's actually regarded as "competitively valid picks", and you'd have to detract a bunch due to most places banning duplicates or pokemon in the same evo chain being on the same team, but even so the possibilities are too many for us to begin to comprehend.

And that's how Kanto was made...
Title: Re: Pokémon General
Post by: SoldierSpence on April 20, 2013, 08:20:28 am
Here's a reply to a certain attribute of the games.

"Critical Hit?  More like, Critical Bullcrap!"

Holy crap, I did not know Pokémon can get this complex, even in Gen 1 :o.
Title: Re: Pokémon General
Post by: Simonorged on July 29, 2013, 04:57:04 pm
http://pokemonfloraskyrom.com/flora-sky-guides-faqs (http://pokemonfloraskyrom.com/flora-sky-guides-faqs)
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Title: Re: Pokémon General
Post by: NejinOniwa on August 10, 2013, 08:14:45 pm
MAWILE
(http://www.deculture.es/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/MegaMawile.jpg)
ALL OF MY FUCKING YES
Title: Re: Pokémon General
Post by: Krizonar on August 10, 2013, 08:26:15 pm
Mawile evolved form? That looks really cool but is still cute?

I will have to look into this.

http://www.twitch.tv/pokemon also herp
Title: Re: Pokémon General
Post by: NejinOniwa on August 10, 2013, 08:35:45 pm
Blaziken, Ampharos, Lucario and Absol also get new formes/evos/whatever, alongside Mawile and the previously revealed Mewtwo forme. Ampharos' form apparently gets Mold Breaker and an extra fucking dragon type.
(http://cdn.bulbagarden.net/upload/b/b5/CoroCoro_September_2013_mega_evolution.jpg)
SUDDENLY AWESOME THINGS.
Title: Re: Pokémon General
Post by: Bella on August 10, 2013, 08:58:30 pm
Quote from: NejinOniwa on August 10, 2013, 08:14:45 pm
MAWILE
(http://www.deculture.es/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/MegaMawile.jpg)
ALL OF MY FUCKING YES


I'm 12 and what is this
Title: Re: Pokémon General
Post by: Penti-chan on August 10, 2013, 11:37:28 pm
The Lucario mega-evolution looks badass *w*
Title: Re: Pokémon General
Post by: Bella on August 11, 2013, 01:50:27 am
So that's what that is.

>Goes to Bulbapedia to look up "Lucario"