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Title: Let's talk about cartoons (USA, Europe, Corea, etc. - Not japananime)
Post by: Raffaele the Amigan on July 09, 2012, 05:42:31 am
As title says.
Title: Re: Let's talk about cartoons (USA, Europe, Corea, etc. - Not japananime)
Post by: Raffaele the Amigan on July 09, 2012, 05:49:15 am
I was very pleased in the last years by cartoons like Fairy Oddparents, Ben Ten, Sidekick from Usa and Code Lyoko from France.

There are dozens I like, but let's start talking from these as an appetizer. :D
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Post by: Krizonar on July 09, 2012, 07:43:44 am
Megas XLR.

That is my discussion.
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Post by: Raffaele the Amigan on July 09, 2012, 08:49:30 am
Oh, and I forgot the beautiful Avatar, the last airbender... :D
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Post by: Bella on July 09, 2012, 11:01:09 am
I'll start by mentioning some of the still-running cartoons I like. ADVENTURE TIME is probably my favorite cartoon at the moment, along with My Little Pony Friendship is Magic, Futurama and Regular Show. Oh, and Family Guy (preferably the older episodes) and sometimes American Dad (if absolutely nothing else is on). That's all I can think of at the moment...

I kinda want to check out Legend of Korra, too...

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Post by: Penti-chan on July 09, 2012, 11:34:26 am
There are some I've enjoyed over the years; noteworthy ones would include Code Lyoko, Batman: The Animated Series, Darkwing Duck, Adventure Time, etc.

If stop animation can count, include Robot Chicken in the above list
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Post by: stewartsage on July 09, 2012, 12:24:35 pm
I guess I was too old to ever really fall into Ben Ten's demographic, and when I was younger I really liked Fairly Odd Parents.  Then it sort of jumped the shark and I stopped watching.  Code Lyoko rooooocks though, even if I never got to see the end...

Still running I enjoy Regular Show, Adventure Time, My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic, and the Star Trek Animated Series.
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Post by: Chocofreak13 on July 09, 2012, 03:01:30 pm
CODE LYOKO >w<

that said, i loved that show. and quite a few cartoons over the years. i suppose you could count them in stages:

early childhood - middle school: Powerpuff Girls, Dexter's Lab, Hey Arnold!, Ahhh! Real Monsters (that was VERY early childhood), Angry Beavers (on occasion), Catdog (on occasion), Codename: Kids Next Door, My Life as a Teenage Robot, Doug, Fairly Odd Parents, Spongebob, Jimmy Neutron, The Simpsons, South Park (on occasion), Daria (quite early childhood), Static Shock, Liberty's Kids, Arthur, Cyberchase, Sagwa (last 4 were pretty much PBS exclusive)

middle school: i hit a point where most of what i watched on tv in middle school was anime or something similar (i consider Avatar to be Anime since Anime is a style not limited to a region). however, i did enjoy Code Lyoko (never saw the ending ;^; ), Ben 10 (the original series, though tbh i enjoyed the older seasons even more), and Family Guy (i know there were others, but they've already been mentioned or, once again, can't remember them)

high school: by this point we had nice expanded cable, so i was able to watch Nicktoons and catch some classics, like seeing the later episodes of Teenage Robot (i had heard there was a 3rd season released in Japan, which was dubbed into english and released for Nicktoons later on). also by this point American Dad! had been created, which i still enjoy to this day. also managed to see the older series of Ben 10, which was quite good (dropped out of it so i lost the chain of the story), as well as expanding my anime repertoire.
also enjoyed some adult swim series around this point, such as Robot Chicken and Lucy: Daughter of the Devil.
Title: Re: Let's talk about cartoons (USA, Europe, Corea, etc. - Not japananime)
Post by: Bella on July 09, 2012, 03:25:05 pm
Sometimes I feel like I'm the only person who's never watched Code Lyoko (and never even heard of it until a couple of years ago).

I watched Fairly Odd Parents fairly regularly. And tried to get into Danny Phantom, but I never could follow it for whatever reason.

Anyway, I looked up Nicktoons on Wikipedia and found this list: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicktoons

Of that entire list, I remember numbers 1 - 23 in varying degrees of clarity. For instance, I only vaguely recall Aaah! Real Monsters!, Rocko's Modern Life, Doug, Angry Beavers and Pelswick, while I remember Rugrats, Hey Arnold, CatDog, The Wild Thornberries, Rocket Power and Spongebob much better (of course, most of these were favorite series at different times growing up).

If memory serves correct, I only watched As Told By Ginger, Chalk Zone and My Life as a Teenage Robot intermittently, and I pretty much hated Invader Zim (too weird) and Jimmy Neutron (didn't like the 3d animation style, quite the artistically-discriminating 10-year-old I was).
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Post by: Penti-chan on July 09, 2012, 04:12:38 pm
Of Nicktoons, my favorites were, in order of premiere:

Rugrats, Rocko's Modern Life, Kablam (Mostly for Action League Now), Hey Arnold, Angry Beavers, Rocket Power, Fairly Odd Parents, Invader Zim, Jimmy Neutron, Danny Phantom, and Avatar: The Last Airbender.

I wouldn't mind seeing Legend of Korra, but I missed the first episode ^_^;
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Post by: Raffaele the Amigan on July 09, 2012, 04:29:40 pm
Oh, well I m over 40 but I watch Fairy Oddparents with the same pleasue at any new tv passage.

I like also Courage dog, Spongebob, some episodes of Squirrel boy, and the humor of Johnny Test.

Dexter Lab leave me almost cold, except some very funny episodes.

I dislike to death the WINX club (not to be confused with W.I.T.C.H.) and my little pony (I'd likd to see all roasted with poatoes those obnoxious stupid horse-shaped lame creatures)
Title: Re: Let's talk about cartoons (USA, Europe, Corea, etc. - Not japananime)
Post by: Raffaele the Amigan on July 09, 2012, 04:42:17 pm
I like very much some european productions like Chasseurs de dragons (http://www.graphicgirls.it/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/cacciatori_di_draghi_screes.jpg), Matt's Monsters(http://toonbarn.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/matts-monsters.jpg) and also I apprecciate cartoons like Monster Buster Club.
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Post by: stewartsage on July 09, 2012, 06:56:47 pm
Angry Beavers and Hey Arnold are probably two of my favorite childhood cartoons.  Courage the Cowardly Dog and Powerpuff girls I watched every-so-often, but frankly I didn't have Cartoon Network growing up so you won't see many programs from there on any list of mine.

I never could stand Rocko's Modern Life.  It just wasn't my thing as a kid or now.  As for Johnny Test, I wish they'd stop showing that damn thing on TV all the time.
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Post by: Chocofreak13 on July 09, 2012, 10:02:40 pm
@bella: ooo, i forgot some of those! danny phantom was always a favourite of mine (i still watch it when it's on), especially the later episodes.
rocko's modern life, rugrats (and all grown up), the wild thornberries, rocket power (i have a game boy game based on that one), as told by ginger, chalk zone (loved that one), and invader zim (really loved that one; my sister has the seasons on DVD, including the christmas special) were all series i watched growing up.

if it's any consolation about code lyoko, most of my friends didn't watch it, or quite a few of the series i watched (i think i was the only kid i knew who even watched PBS). the only one i remember talking with friends about till high school was Avatar, as me, my best friend (at the time) Summer, and Casey (a great friend since childhood; we lost contact when she went to a catholic high school) had a posting war on my profile on GaiaOnline. xD

@raffaele: another one i forgot, Courage! i looooved courage, especially the really obscure episodes like the one with the operatic sea serpent.
WINX was a bit hit and miss....i enjoyed it somewhat when it was on FOX, but not enough to really get into that. :\ as for W.I.T.C.H, i never saw it, for 3 main reasons: 1. the intro really put me off of it, 2. it seemed like a rather generic series, and 3. i was at a point in time when anything involving witches in the media was enough to get me angry (as a young pagan, many things can offend).

as for european cartoons, i have already mentioned Code Lyoko, and another french creation, Totally Spies!, was also a childhood favourite, though tbh i consider that more anime than the rest of the cartoons here. (i got one of the video games for christmas after finding it at a local discount store, Building 19. have yet to play it, but it looks cute. ^^)

also, i think we might have forgotten canadian cartoons here, or maybe i was the only one who watched them. the only specifics i can remember are total drama island (which i found funny and ended up seeing through to the end, though it was around this time that my taste for CN went downhill) and Ruby Gloom, which i've yet to see but i have one of the original ruby gloom Tshirts which inspired the series. :3

@stew: i agree about johnny test. i liked it at first, but if they aren't playing regular show/AT/MAD, they're playing that. >>;;

did anyone else watch the now-defunct CN shows that inspired today's hipster-lover shows? i mean like Chowder and Flapjack and Adventure Time with Finn and Jake (before the title was shortened to just Adventure Time)?
Title: Re: Let's talk about cartoons (USA, Europe, Corea, etc. - Not japananime)
Post by: Penti-chan on July 09, 2012, 11:48:57 pm
How could I forget Courage the Cowardly Dog? That and Invader Zim where among the shows I'd spend my Sunday afternoons watching at my grandma's house >w<

Also, I have to 3rd you on Johnny Test. I kind of liked it when it first premiered on Kids WB, but it got old fast when Cartoon Network got the rights to it and began airing it non-stop :\

With Canadian shows, I love ReBoot (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ReBoot). It's the show that not only helped foster further interest in computers, but also introduced me to the concept of computer programs as people years before OS-tans even existed :3

As for Chowder, I was turned off by the preview they did before it premiered; using that annoying brat from that failed live action series, Out of Jimmy's Head (Why do I remember the title?), to promote it; who was obsessed over the show being about "a boy who eats anything". Nothing against Chowder itself, since I've never watched it, but anything that stupid Jimmy kid promoted was an automatic turn-off for me; even if they had him promoting the return of Toonami, I would have passed just because he was so ungodly annoying >_>;;
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Post by: Bella on July 10, 2012, 12:12:11 am
I can't stand Johnny Test either. (It's one of my nephew's favorite shows though). >>

I've always wanted to see more episodes of Chowder and Flapjack, since I've only seen a few of each. They never air on CN anymore, though... :/

Anyone else here watch any Disney Channel series? I didn't watch many, but I remember liking The Proud Family, Kim Possible, The Weekenders and Recess.
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Post by: Penti-chan on July 10, 2012, 12:20:44 am
Ah yes, Disney Channel. I never was that fond of the network after a drastic change of format in '97, in which they dropped a lot of my favorite shows from their lineup (Talespin, Darkwing Duck, and Gargoyles being among the casualties), although I did like Recess a lot, as well as Kim Possible the few times I watched it :3

As for the Weekenders, I used to watch that on Sunday mornings on a local station; it being aired as part of a block with Heavy Gear (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heavy_Gear#TV_series) (A series from the creators of ReBoot; based on a tabletop RPG of the same name). Kind of a strange pairing for that block; a Canadian mecha series with a Disney slice-of-life series
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Post by: stewartsage on July 10, 2012, 12:48:21 am
Kari: Yes,  yes, and yes.  Awesome, not my style, and awesome.
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Post by: Raffaele the Amigan on July 10, 2012, 01:20:05 am
@ Choco: WITCH is a very great Disney product along with Monster Allergy, but while the comics are great, the cartoon counterpart sucks, as these products were realized in economy.

See the difference:

Witch anime:

(http://www.funpub.net/poze/mare/WITCH_9_1217160049.jpg)

Original comic design:

(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_Q01qNWH7TEU/Rx20WmyV6JI/AAAAAAAAAQ4/r6tZDzmpMYg/s320/witch1.gif)

Monster Allergy cartoon:

(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_eQ5BBnWj_T8/SmkAxjTyiLI/AAAAAAAAMaU/8_S_0n420gk/s400/Monster+Allergy+3.jpg)

Original comic design:

(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_NDwHtVVBMo4/TDMvjwGRGYI/AAAAAAAAAMM/PYoRTUzrFQ0/s1600/barbucci_monster1_6.jpg)
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Post by: Raffaele the Amigan on July 10, 2012, 01:31:10 am
@ Bella:

Yes I greatly appreciated Kim Possible and mainly the marvellous Phineas & Ferb. :D
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Post by: Raffaele the Amigan on July 10, 2012, 01:44:51 am
@ All: What about The Grim Adventures of Billy & Mandy?

It made me really rolling on the floor due to laughs...  :D
Title: Re: Let's talk about cartoons (USA, Europe, Corea, etc. - Not japananime)
Post by: stewartsage on July 10, 2012, 03:10:05 am
Weekenders!  That was my Saturday morning as a kid.

P&F is amazing, hands down.

Billy & Mandy I discovered after it had concluded but god did I love every minute of that show.  That was wacky/weird done right.
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Post by: svx on July 10, 2012, 04:27:58 am
I'm ALL ABOUT the Venture Bros!

And Adventure Time
and Futurama
and Family Guy
and Metalocalypse
and Quake
and wait that's a game lol
and Quake
and lol sry
and Venture Bros again :>
and Powerpuff Girls
and Dexter's Lab
and Fairly Odd Parents
and The Real Life
and lol i lied
and BATMAN THE ANIMATED SERIES

BATMAN THE ANIMATED SERIES
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Post by: Chocofreak13 on July 10, 2012, 04:33:49 am
Quote from: Bella on July 10, 2012, 12:12:11 am
Anyone else here watch any Disney Channel series? I didn't watch many, but I remember liking The Proud Family, Kim Possible, The Weekenders and Recess.


I WATCHED ALL OF THOSE AND I LOVED EVERY ONE THANKYOU FOR REMINDING ME.

seriously, i went to see the theatrical release of recess and i ended up snagging a promotional wall hang (i say wall hang vs poster because it was printed on foamcore, i believe). it was on my wall for years till i moved a bookshelf to the spot where it was. i'm not sure what happened to it.

@raffaele: it's amazing the things i've forgotten over the years. P&F was on the tail end of my cartooning watching (came out when i was in the middle of high school) but every episode i've seen i've liked. :3

as for Billy and Mandy, i loved that show and still do. it's a crying shame they don't play it anymore, as it inspired more seasons and specials than it knew what to do with. lucky that it figured it out anyway. i even went so far as to track down two of the insert songs from the series and still have them on my ipod ("Darkness" by SPF 1000, performed by Purple Filth feat. Grim, and "BRAINS!" by Voltaire, performed by The Brain Meteor with accompanying dance by Billy feat. The Residents of Endsville).
have you seen the fan comic on SNAFU, Grim Tales? you might like it, the art is lovely. :3

did anyone else enjoy Billy and Mandy's old-time counterpart, Evil Con Carne? that show never got as big as Billy and Mandy, but i wish it had gotten more time in the spotlight. it was pretty funny. :3

@pent: i never saw those commercials, and frankly that's kind of a stupid reason, but then, i've done similar things, so i can relate. a shame you missed it, though, you might have liked it. the art style was unique and interesting, and the show quite funny. ^^

@svx: i think an ex-boyfriend/current friend liked batman: the animated series. i know my sister's fiancee liked it. :0
also, FUTURAMA. that show is so fun. >w<

i'm curious, why is everyone always down on flapjack? i've heard people say everything from "it's not 'my' style" to "it's a stoner show". i beg your pardon, i'd say AT is more of a stoner show than Flapjack (even Chowder was crazier). the art style was different than anything else at the time, which is what might have put people off of it, but that's terrible considering it accented the theme of the show. that's how art of sailors and ports was done in the 1850's and such, and they recaptured it exceedingly well. you could say they brought the art style back to the spotlight, considering most people would think it was a completely original concept. the truth is, it's just a lost form of art, as Ragtime is a lost form of music. :\
the show itself was funny and cute, too. Flapjack's pure innocence, Kunuckles' disregard for personal (and flapjack's) safety and well being in favour of adventure and booze/candy, and Bubby's adoration for her son. ^^
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Post by: Penti-chan on July 10, 2012, 10:12:43 am
I never watched Flapjack. It did look like it probably would have been funny, but it's one of those shows that always came on at a time I could never catch it when it was on :\

On a random note, has anybody ever caught hidden background details in cartoons; like book titles on bookshelves or something?

As an example, I remember watching an episode of Code Lyoko once, and I clearly remember one of the books on the floor in Jeremy's room said "Red Hat Linux" on the spine (Only he could figure out how to make that OS actually work). I also remember watching reruns of Rocky & Bullwinkle, and seeing a book on a bookshelf in the background was titled "Sex on Planet X" (I'm not joking; one of my dad's friends, who grew up watching the show in the '60s, said he noticed it when he was watching it years later)
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Post by: Bella on July 10, 2012, 12:35:46 pm
Linux got cameo'd on Code Lyoko? : o

Quote from: stewartsage on July 10, 2012, 03:10:05 am
Weekenders!  That was my Saturday morning as a kid.

P&F is amazing, hands down.

Billy & Mandy I discovered after it had concluded but god did I love every minute of that show.  That was wacky/weird done right.


In my (unpopular) opinion, Phineas and Ferb is the weirdest family/kid-oriented cartoon on the air right now. (Yes, even compared to Adventure Time.) I don't watch very often, but the episodes I've seen have generally been good. Even if the most annoying character shares a name with me. <<

I never got into Grim Adventures of Billy and Mandy... I think it aired during that period that I was convinced that the shows on Cartoon Network were too weird...  ;^;
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Post by: stewartsage on July 11, 2012, 07:16:08 pm
P&F is wacky but I wouldn't call it weird, Kevin.
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Post by: Bella on July 11, 2012, 09:33:42 pm
I'm not sure what the difference is... .__.
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Post by: Chocofreak13 on July 11, 2012, 10:44:34 pm
ed, edd, and eddy.

discuss.
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Post by: Penti-chan on July 11, 2012, 10:50:49 pm
I loved that show, although mainly the earlier seasons; everything from roughly '03 onward was kind of "meh"
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Post by: Chocofreak13 on July 12, 2012, 01:42:21 am
indeed. :\ though i heard of a fan effort to make a sequel series where they're in high school. the character designs look really, really good. i'm looking forward to what comes next. :0
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Post by: Penti-chan on July 12, 2012, 10:23:49 am
That does sound cool. Hopefully it turns out better than All Grown Up :\

Speaking of that, I admit that All Grown Up was a cute idea for a on-off Rugrats special, but it failed to interest me when they officially made a series out of it; I watched it a few times, and never could get over the fact that it felt like the only reason it existed was to fill the void left when Hey Arnold ended (To be fair, that show did leave big shoes to fill)
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Post by: Chocofreak13 on July 13, 2012, 02:45:04 am
damn straight; Hey Arnold! was one of my favourite cartoons growing up. i was really upset when it ended.

as for Ed, Edd, and Eddy, the spinoff is fanmade, meaning they have little opportunity to screw up, lol.  out of all of the characters, Ed is the one who has changed the least, still donning the old coat and look. though he has glasses now. <3
oh, and Eddy's scams have gotten more expensive and Billy Mayes-esque. (all this can be yours for just $25!!!). he also seems to have a series of part-time jobs. :3
and DoubleD is the only one of the three who doesn't have his license. xD (also, they fixed the old van from the junkyard. ^^)
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Post by: stewartsage on July 13, 2012, 07:17:39 am
There's a fanmade spin-off of Ed, Edd, and Eddy?

...why?
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Post by: Penti-chan on July 13, 2012, 10:26:03 am
@Kari: Sounds cool :3

@Stew: ...because the Kool-Aid Man is red? </linkara>

So, did anybody else watch Johnny Quest in any of it's incarnations? Although the original '65 series is classic, I have more fond memories of watching the sadly short-lived '96 series (Even though the parts set in a virtual reality world made no sense). Also, I do enjoy the Venture Bros. from time to time (Given that it's a spoof of the original Johnny Quest, I feel it's worth a mention)
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Post by: Bella on July 13, 2012, 11:50:13 am
I seem to recall being excited to hear about All Grown Up, but I never actually followed the show. (Maybe it didn't interest me as much as I thought it would?)

Never did get into Ed, Edd and Eddy, just never seemed appealing to me.
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Post by: Chocofreak13 on July 13, 2012, 03:43:03 pm
@stew: because the later parts of the series are disappointing and plenty of fans wondered what the Eds would look like older? (DoubleD was always hot, and now that he's in high school with long hair and a tie, he's REALLY hot.)

@pent: we need to get you some new references, man. >>;
i've never seen either Johnny Quest, but i find Venture Bros. funny on occasion.

@bella: tbh, All Grown Up was an alright series, but not something to get super-psyched about. i watched it when it was on, but if there was something better, there was something better. :\
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Post by: stewartsage on July 13, 2012, 08:02:58 pm
I guess it was just another series that never really clicked with me.  Now Camp Lazlo and Foster's, there were some series I enjoyed watching in their time.  Latter has a fandom I'm iffy on though.

Pent:  Johnny Quest!  Though to be honest I was always more of a Huckleberry Hound and Rockey & Bullwinkle fan when it comes to that era.  Speaking of pastiches of 60's cartoons; how could we forget SeaLab 2021 and Harvey Birdman: Attorney at Law?  Those were the shows that actually got me to watch Adult Swim, and discover the sheer glee of those early ATHF seasons.  Somehow this also lead to Clone High.... which is far from a bad thing.
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Post by: Raffaele the Amigan on July 14, 2012, 05:15:23 am
What about Capt. Flamingo? Seems me lovely.

(http://nd01.jxs.cz/508/047/7f06edc58f_11005330_o2.jpg)

And have you heard of this France (?) cartoon 3D: The legend of Enyo?

(http://www.cartonianimati10.it/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/th_003a6e0b317762dbb7232af3d6cab6d3_1249393260enyo_3-300x205.jpg)

And third this one. From the 3 episodes I seen, it seems me very funny: Gumball

(http://www.jpopasia.com/i1/news/3/9317-5zzv570kzx.jpg)

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Post by: Chocofreak13 on July 14, 2012, 12:22:30 pm
i'm not a fan of gumball. it falls into the same catagory as regular show, which i consider to be one of those neo-hipster shows without much meat. not really my thing.

the other two you posted look interesting, though. :3

@stew: everyone has their tastes. i got into lazlo a little, but found the humour to be a little lacking to me. it was cute, though, and i did catch a couple episodes when they were fresh.
now foster's is one i got into. i loved that show, my sister loved that show, even my mum loved that show. and i loved the movies along with it. the style was original, the concept wacky and fun, and the characters loveable (and the soundtrack was perfect).
i wish they'd play it again. methinks the neohipsters would get into it. :\

aw man, sealab. i love sealab, though i didn't get to see very much of it. but it was one of the early [as] shows for me too, and like you, got me into the early seasons of ATHF (which were actually funny).

did anyone else watch scooby doo? i used to watch it when i was little and there was nothing on when i was sick, but some of the early episodes are funny. i also liked one of the TV movies (made in the 80's), where Shaggy, Scooby, and Scrappy go to work as gym teachers at a girls' finishing school for monsters. it was very cute. ^^

also, does Teen Titans count in this catagory? Trouble in Tokyo is on right now (it was actually on about 2 weeks ago, too), and i'm loving it. though if they'd play some of the more theatrical episodes (when beastboy leads the random heroes at the end, when raven confronts her father the second time, etc) i'd be even more psyched. (watched the entire series; have the theme song on my ipod (i think; i have 3 versions of it.)
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Post by: Penti-chan on July 14, 2012, 01:56:01 pm
Scooby Doo! I used to watch that show a lot as a kid, as did my parents when they were kids ^_^
The movies were always pretty cool, too; especially the ones that'd do something out of the ordinary (Like Scooby Doo & the Ghoul School, as you mentioned, or my personal favorite, Scooby Doo on Zombie Island >w<)

I'll be honest, I never could get into Camp Lazlo; which might be partially because the TV I had at the time sucked, so it was often easy to misread "Camp Lazlo" in the on-screen TV guide as "Code Lyoko" ^_^;
However, I did watch it once, and it was like of "meh" to me; not really my kind of show

I never got a chance to watch Sealab, but I always wanted to. It and Cowboy Bebop were among the early Adult Swim shows that I'd see listed on Cartoon Network's online schedule ages ago and had me curious what they were like. I did give ATHF a try, and it failed to impress me; granted, it was one of the more recent episodes, which might be partially why :\

Also, I'd think Teen Titans would count. That show was kickass -w-

@Stew: Oh yeah, Rocky & Bullwinkle. That show is classic *brofist*
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Post by: Chocofreak13 on July 14, 2012, 02:48:46 pm
the new ATHF can't hold a candle to the early episodes. it was just the right amount of random.
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Post by: Penti-chan on July 14, 2012, 07:07:52 pm
Mmm. I might have to try watching some of the early episodes, then :3

Did anybody follow Samurai Jack when it was still on? I remember watching the premiere movie ages ago and thinking it was cool, but I sadly never got to see more of it because mom felt it was "too violent" and my sister hated it because "It's an American cartoon trying to pretend it's an anime" >_<;;
(For the record, Samurai Jack premiered during my sister's "anime is the only worthwhile form of animation" phase)
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Post by: stewartsage on July 14, 2012, 11:19:12 pm
Exactly.  Now it's just held afloat by stupid jokes and running gags

Nope, though I had an English teacher who was a big fan.
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Post by: Raffaele the Amigan on July 15, 2012, 05:58:51 am
As being of really an age I have seen all the Hanna & Barbera productions before it changed the name into Cartoon Network so I saw all Tom & Jerry cartoons ( I had the chance to quote them also in my exam of History of Cinema), Yoghi Bear, Yoghi's Ark, the Flintstones, the Jetsons, Hair Bear, Wacky Racers, Dastardly & Muttley, Loopy the Loop, Scooby Doo and so on. The only one actually aired without being interrupted or surpassed by anime here in my country is Scooby Doo.
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Post by: Raffaele the Amigan on July 15, 2012, 06:35:43 am
Whoops. Speaking of Hanna & Barbera, did I said I love also "Cow and Chicken"?

And I saw also a couple of episodes of a canadian very funny and very disturbing cartoon: "Ren & Stimpy".
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Post by: Chocofreak13 on July 16, 2012, 01:56:55 am
@raffaele: ren & stimpy was the only TV i watched when i was in europe. xD
it was a good series. -w-

cow and chicken was an awesome show as well. i could never get into its counterpart, I.M. Weasel, but i spent many a day laughing at the antics of that round-butted devil guy and their favourite food of Pork Butts and Taters. xD

@stew: agreed about ATHF. i stopped watching it about 2 years ago, when they stopped playing the older episodes. >>;

@pent: i LOVED Samurai Jack. your sister didn't know what she was missing; SJ was one of those rare cartoons that manages to surpass the barrier and become great art. the backgrounds, the action scenes, the writing, it was all genius and beautiful. while i can only remember one episode clearly, i have fond memories of watching it (and my sister loved it too, lol). i should find a torrent of it.....
(also, the writing reminds me a bit of casshern sins, lol. xD)
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Post by: Penti-chan on July 16, 2012, 10:13:57 am
I should look into torrenting it, as well. I'd love to actually see more of it

As for Ren & Stimpy, I never watched it, so I can't comment. Cow & Chicken on the other hand, I did occasionally watch; I enjoyed it, but never really went out of my way for it.

While on the subject of Cartoon Network shows, who else watched Powerpuff Girls? I like that show, but haven't seen it in years :3
Mom wasn't exactly thrilled by the fact I liked a "girly" show, but who cares what she thinks?
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Post by: Chocofreak13 on July 16, 2012, 09:38:37 pm
didn't i mention that i liked powerpuff girls on the first page? it was basically my favourite US cartoon when i was younger, and i still love it. got several PPG plushies, books, games, a poster, and the movie. ^^

as for it being a "girly" show, well, i've seen several that are much worse. she should be thankful you didn't like the previous incarnations of MLP, or Winx Club, or Totally Spies (though i would have supported you liking that show, too, it's really fuckin' cool. >w< )
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Post by: Penti-chan on July 16, 2012, 10:08:59 pm
True, although the series you named off were ones my sister liked that I occasionally watched too :3

...except Winx Club. Although my sister liked it, words cannot describe how much I despise that show >_<;;
W.I.T.C.H. was similar in concept, but far more bearable to watch when my sister hijacked the TV; it didn't make me want to slice our satellite dish in half with a kantana at the mere thought of the theme song.

Speaking of shows one sibling hates but the other likes, one that was like that for me was the short-lived Scooby Doo series, "A Pup Named Scooby Doo". My sister felt it was a stupid series made to cash in on the popularity of shows like The Flintstones Kids, but come on; it was pretty much an affectionate parody of classic Scooby Doo. I mean, one of the reoccurring characters was a boy named Red Herring; who always ended up being a suspect. How can you not love it? *w*
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Post by: Chocofreak13 on July 17, 2012, 01:08:47 am
oh god, A Pup Named Scooby-Doo. xD that show made me crack up whenever i saw it, and i actually liked it better than the original series (sorry for the blasphemy). the "bucket o food" concept was one that never ceased to amuse me, and the special flavours of Scooby Snacks was another one that i loved. xD good show overall. wish they'd start playing it again. >>;
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Post by: Raffaele the Amigan on July 17, 2012, 03:45:40 am
Quote from: PentiumMMX on July 16, 2012, 10:08:59 pm
...except Winx Club. Although my sister liked it, words cannot describe how much I despise that show >_<;;
W.I.T.C.H. was similar in concept, but far more bearable to watch when my sister hijacked the TV; it didn't make me want to slice our satellite dish in half with a kantana at the mere thought of the theme song.


Winx is just WITCH mixed with Harry Potter in high heels and loving shopping.

WITCH is  story of five girls that receive magic powers and must live everyday life (going to school, confronting their teenage life with friends and anyday reality, making sports and find a job to catch extra money for the expenses, trying to find true love, etc.). The magic girls should live their lives and fighting with various enemies trying to not destroy the equilibrium of magic, to not exceed or abuse their newly acquired powers and trying not to loose control of their normal life.

But the anime is very poor. It just talk of one of their stories (the fight with princess Elyon versus her brother prince Phobos and his acolyte/servant Cedric for the control of Meridian). You should read the comics to find the whole essence of WITCH.

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Post by: Penti-chan on July 17, 2012, 10:20:53 am
@Raffaele: I'll keep that in mind :3

@Kari: I with they'd play it again, as well. I loved that show

Has anybody here ever seen the old Dungeons & Dragons cartoon? I always wanted to see it, because it looked like Zelda (I was obsessed with the Legend of Zelda games back then), but never could catch it when it still came on Fox Kids
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Post by: Chocofreak13 on July 17, 2012, 03:00:06 pm
the D&D cartoon was a subject of curiosity for me, but i didn't hear about it till i was in my late teens. and even then, i never heard much about it. it was never played on tv when i was alive, so it didn't capture the same 80's devotion that say, Jem did. :\
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Post by: Penti-chan on July 17, 2012, 03:10:54 pm
It was on Fox Kids for a brief while circa '99 (Around the time Digimon premiered), although it always came on at the same time as Recess, so I never got to see it

Speaking of, I loved Recess. Good series :3
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Post by: Chocofreak13 on July 17, 2012, 05:08:45 pm
ahhh, that's likely why i never saw it. i followed Recess with a cult-like devotion. -w-
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Post by: Penti-chan on July 17, 2012, 07:41:03 pm
It was a good series. My dad enjoyed it, too; often watching it with me while he was getting ready for work :3

You know, another Disney cartoon of that era I liked, that was sadly forgotten, was Nightmare Ned. It ran for 12 episodes before it was unfortunately cancelled, but I loved it; the show honestly felt like a prototype of Invader Zim, with it's rather dark sense of humor. There was also apparently a game for PC, but I've never played it; only knowing of the TV series.
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Post by: Chocofreak13 on July 18, 2012, 11:53:37 pm
that sounds interesting, can you find a clip or something?
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Post by: Penti-chan on July 19, 2012, 10:21:02 am
Here's the intro (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MhU0Sa2pHw0). There are parts of some episodes of the series floating around on YouTube now, if you dig around for a bit, but from what I can tell, no full episodes have surfaced (Which is better than last time I looked; back then, all I could find was footage of the game)
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Post by: Chocofreak13 on July 21, 2012, 10:56:25 pm
looks cool. i feel bad for ned, though, since his screams sound so sad. ;^;
and he must have such insomnia.
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Post by: Penti-chan on July 21, 2012, 11:29:38 pm
True that :[

So, I was thinking recently. Are there any cartoons you used to enjoy as a kid, that when you watch it years later, you fail to understand why you enjoyed it?

For me, one solid example would be the Donkey Kong Country animated series. I enjoyed it as a kid, although when I revisited it over the summer of '09, I found it almost unbearable to watch with how badly it had aged. Granted, I guess that's bound to happen when you're rewatching an English dub of a French adaptation of a British video game using characters from an older Japanese video game several years after the point ^_^;;
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Post by: Chocofreak13 on July 22, 2012, 12:24:21 pm
Codename: Kids Next Door
Camp Lazlo
The Fairly Oddparents (some episodes)

i know there are a couple other shows that fall into this catagory too, but it's the phenomenon where you rewatch something from childhood as an adult and understand it a lot more (like how i rewatched The Secret of Nimh and understood everything a whole lot more, as well as realizing it was shorter than i thought it was). in the case of these shows, especially KND, i see it and am like, "god, the humour here is so stupid! did i actually think this was funny, it's so juvenile!". it's never really in a bad way, it's just in an "this is absurd *chuckle chuckle*" way.
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Post by: Krizonar on July 22, 2012, 10:18:12 pm
(http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m5b9hvU9iq1ry2ruto2_500.gif)

eh? eh?
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Post by: Chocofreak13 on July 22, 2012, 10:41:43 pm
i've been watching airbender all day, so i don't know what you're getting at. :\
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Post by: Krizonar on July 22, 2012, 10:56:43 pm
Quote from: Chocofreak13 on July 22, 2012, 10:41:43 pm
i've been watching airbender all day

(http://i1198.photobucket.com/albums/aa449/skyward_rush/tublr/exelent.jpg)

Continue.
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Post by: Chocofreak13 on July 23, 2012, 01:10:23 pm
actually, i watched it till it stopped playing. -w- and it's playing again tonight, so yeah. -w-
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Post by: Penti-chan on July 23, 2012, 01:23:44 pm
Oh yeah, Airbender. I loved that series *w*

Now, I just need to finally catch the first episode of Korra...
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Post by: Bella on July 23, 2012, 02:12:43 pm
I feel like the only one here who's never seen Avatar ...
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Post by: NejinOniwa on July 23, 2012, 07:50:23 pm
I saw the movie trlololololol
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Post by: Penti-chan on July 23, 2012, 08:09:31 pm
The live action one? It was alright, but IMO it lacked the charm of the original cartoon; I mean, they didn't have the guy who sells cabbages ;_;
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Post by: Bella on July 23, 2012, 08:35:53 pm
Quote from: NejinOniwa on July 23, 2012, 07:50:23 pm
I saw the movie trlololololol


Which one?

Avatar, the movie that was cast with dull white people hilariously standing in for a diverse multiethnic cast?
Or Avatar, the movie that was cast with computer-generated blue catpeople who were a hilariously thinly-veiled allegory for indigenous peoples?

Either way I'm so sorry for the two hours that you wasted
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Post by: Raffaele the Amigan on July 23, 2012, 08:48:30 pm
Quote from: Chocofreak13 on July 22, 2012, 12:24:21 pm

i know there are a couple other shows that fall into this catagory too, but it's the phenomenon where you rewatch something from childhood as an adult and understand it a lot more (like how i rewatched The Secret of Nimh and understood everything a whole lot more, as well as realizing it was shorter than i thought it was). in the case of these shows, especially KND, i see it and am like, "god, the humour here is so stupid! did i actually think this was funny, it's so juvenile!". it's never really in a bad way, it's just in an "this is absurd *chuckle chuckle*" way. [/color]


- Oh, the poor turkey fell down!

- I'm not a turkey!

(http://www.mad4games.it/forum/images/smilies/hail.gif)

Don't worry. You were not juvenile. It was simply pure genius... :)

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Post by: Raffaele the Amigan on July 23, 2012, 08:54:25 pm
Quote from: NejinOniwa on July 23, 2012, 07:50:23 pm
I saw the movie trlololololol


You made me remember that the author of trololo died 3 weeks ago... :(
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Post by: Chocofreak13 on July 24, 2012, 12:42:46 am
@raffaele: oh noes, the creator of a meme died!? the internet mourns in near-silence, like it did for the young creator of EddsWorld. :[

that said, i didn't find the humour in NIMH juvenile. as you said, it was comedy gold. that part about the turkey cracks me up every time. xD
and when aunty shrew keeps calling for mrs. brisby and gets loud and flustered, that was so hilarious. xDD

@bella: both movies are pieces of crap. i haven't seen either and don't plan to.
as for avatar, you're really missing out by not seeking it out. the first season is a little slow, but after that the series really picks up with plenty of action, drama, and intrigue. i highly reccomend it as it even got non-anime people into it. :\
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Post by: NejinOniwa on July 24, 2012, 05:19:37 am
Au contraire, while the movie could've been done a lot better, it was still fairly cool in my opinion - and it made me ever so slightly interested to watch the series.
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Post by: Penti-chan on July 24, 2012, 09:40:30 am
Slightly off topic, but James Cameron's Avatar sucked. I went to see it in theaters in 3D, and all I can remember was that it was pretty and that the main villain was a badass (He was just as bad as Liquid Snake in Metal Gear Solid; just when you think he's finally dead, he gets right back up and continues fighting). As for The Last Airbender, I already shared my thoughts on it earlier.

Back on topic, has anybody else ever seen The Super Mario Bros. Super Show? Like a lot of DIC's video game-related productions, it's a guilty pleasure of mine :3
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Post by: Chocofreak13 on July 24, 2012, 06:16:12 pm
i found a DVD for it in my brother's jeep once. but there was no disc. :\

@nej: so you haven't seen it either? dude, the movie can't compare to the series.
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Post by: Raffaele the Amigan on August 03, 2012, 07:42:08 pm
Quote from: PentiumMMX on July 24, 2012, 09:40:30 am
Slightly off topic, but James Cameron's Avatar sucked. I went to see it in theaters in 3D, and all I can remember was that it was pretty and that the main villain was a badass (He was just as bad as Liquid Snake in Metal Gear Solid; just when you think he's finally dead, he gets right back up and continues fighting).


Avatar is good because is a straight linear movie of western sci-fi... There is the cavalry (air cavalry) closed in a fort (the mine) and outside there are blue indians 9 feet of height... and the villains are us white humans in the fort...
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Post by: Raffaele the Amigan on August 03, 2012, 07:54:03 pm
What you think of co-operation of western and far-east anine makers?

There are projects that I like very much, as Sherlock Hound by Hayao Miyazaki and Marco Pagot, and Oban Star Racers by Jetix, France 3 and  Bandai...

(http://img262.imageshack.us/img262/3463/sherlockholmesl.jpg)

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/d/de/Oban_promo_poster.jpg/240px-Oban_promo_poster.jpg)
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Post by: Chocofreak13 on August 05, 2012, 02:32:24 pm
ooo, those look interesting. :0
though wouldn't they fall under anime due to the style? :\
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Post by: Penti-chan on August 05, 2012, 02:40:33 pm
I think I remember seeing ads for Oban Star Racers, when it still came on Toon Disney, but I never watched it. I think it always came on at a time I had something else on :\
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Post by: Chocofreak13 on August 05, 2012, 05:09:27 pm
i should look them up. :3
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Post by: stewartsage on August 05, 2012, 06:18:04 pm
Why does everyone feel compelled to give Sherlock Holmes a leading lady?
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Post by: NejinOniwa on August 05, 2012, 10:22:09 pm
Because otherwise he would understand everything in the movie, duh.

He needs someone to miff him out. His genius is not compatible with the female psyche.
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Post by: stewartsage on August 05, 2012, 11:15:54 pm
That's silly.
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Post by: Raffaele the Amigan on August 06, 2012, 04:11:37 am
Quote from: stewartsage on August 05, 2012, 06:18:04 pm
Why does everyone feel compelled to give Sherlock Holmes a leading lady?


Actually she pretends to be the landlady, Mrs. Hudson.

But in the anime she is the most quiet, intelligent and human character. So Miyazaki wanted to make her the only real human in a world of human dogs but Marco Pagot adviced him that was inappropriate for  the european public...


As being a widow and the only woman of which Sherlock Hound trusts in, it seems evident judging from certain episodes that there is something tender between the two... :)
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Post by: Raffaele the Amigan on August 06, 2012, 06:17:54 am
Quote from: Chocofreak13 on August 05, 2012, 02:32:24 pm
ooo, those look interesting. :0
though wouldn't they fall under anime due to the style? :\


Well... That's a matter of serious discussion about genres and categories of anime...
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Post by: Chocofreak13 on August 06, 2012, 03:35:27 pm
@raffaele: i really don't think so, since it was made by a japanese man, and is done in anime style. if you're basing it for "regular cartoon" status based solely on content, well, i could cite several examples to counter-argue. :\

@stew: because if they didn't, it'd be bashed for being sexist, even if they're sticking to the original story?
and as it is, they're taking quite a bit of artistic license making them dogs. dropping in a chick to make the characters a bit richer isn't the worst thing in the world. :\
@nej: this is true of most men, lol. it's why they're so easy to confuse. :3

guys, i'm curious, is a cartoon considered anime if it's not from japan, but still in the style? tbh i think most asian cartoons might fall within the umbrella term's range. :\

also, was at the market earlier, saw a couple Sonic The Hedgehog DVDs and The Super Mario Bros. Show DVDs. xD
(they're a little pricey since they're $5 each, but still, cool. xD )
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Post by: Raffaele the Amigan on August 07, 2012, 09:03:06 am
Quote from: Chocofreak13 on August 06, 2012, 03:35:27 pm
@raffaele: i really don't think so, since it was made by a japanese man, and is done in anime style. if you're basing it for "regular cartoon" status based solely on content, well, i could cite several examples to counter-argue. :\


The real question is: Did Miyazaki had had created such a cartoonime (cartoon/anime) if Pagot had not contacted and hired Studio Ghibli to realize the animations?

Did Bandai had had created Oban Star Racers if not contacted and hired by Jetix and France3?

Quote
guys, i'm curious, is a cartoon considered anime if it's not from japan, but still in the style? tbh i think most asian cartoons might fall within the umbrella term's range. :\


Dunno... So for example you consider Avatar the last airbender as a cartoon or as an anime??? It  was created by american artists. The design is american but the animation was made in Korea ( China?)
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Post by: Bella on August 07, 2012, 01:46:49 pm
I consider anime to be Japanese-produced animation, regardless of what the visual style is.

I'd consider any kind of Western-produced animation a cartoon, even if the visual style is animesque.

IDK how to classify other East-Asian forms of animation. I'd probably just classify them by their nation of origin - Korean animation, Chinese animation, etc.
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Post by: Chocofreak13 on August 07, 2012, 06:42:24 pm
@raffaele, bella: i disagree. i don't take country of origin into account; if it looks like anime, it's anime. consider this: you wouldn't consider Airbender to be an anime, while you would consider Heroman (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heroman) a 'real' anime, simply because of the location in which it was produced? i consider both of them to be anime, even though both were made by americans, though one was in english and one was in japanese.

on the other side of the arguement, though Jem was animated in Japan, it is squarely an American Cartoon. Anime vs Cartoons boils down to style, not location.
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Post by: Penti-chan on August 07, 2012, 06:49:32 pm
It's tricky with both sides of the argument; if it's on the country it was animated in, Darkwing Duck would be considered anime (Since it was animated by a studio in Tokyo for Disney), but if we're going on what country's company supplied the money to make it happen, the 2nd season of Big O is a cartoon (Since Cartoon Network funded that season).

I prefer to not think about it; it gives me a headache @_@
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Post by: Chocofreak13 on August 07, 2012, 07:02:08 pm
this is why i prefer to go with the simplest (and fairest) way. if it looks like anime, it's anime. whose to say that my art isn't manga, just because i'm not japanese? >:[
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Post by: Bella on August 07, 2012, 07:44:56 pm
Ehh, I'll never consider a Western-created work (or non-Japanese, Eastern-Asian-created work for that matter) anime, but that's just me. It's the simplest way of classification in my mind, especially given the huge overlap that can exist among animation of different nationalities. (For instance, Avatar - which is a Western work that is done in lush, highly-detailed anime-like art style - and Crayon Shin-Chan, a Japanese work that's done in a simplistic, "cartoonish" art style).
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Post by: Chocofreak13 on August 07, 2012, 11:08:14 pm
but where does that leave Heroman? if you didn't read the article, it was created by Stan Lee. :\
Title: Re: Let's talk about cartoons (USA, Europe, Corea, etc. - Not japananime)
Post by: Raffaele the Amigan on August 08, 2012, 04:45:31 am
Well not to start a flame war, then it is just plain to call it anime international projects or anime international co-operations...
Title: Re: Let's talk about cartoons (USA, Europe, Corea, etc. - Not japananime)
Post by: Chocofreak13 on August 08, 2012, 10:15:29 am
i'd say we agree not to discuss it. saying that feels like it's less of an anime, like a second-class version. i've read a couple manga written and drawn here in the US. some were good, some were alright, and one was so horrible i didn't even get past the cover. but japanese-written manga runs the gambit of that, too, depending on your preference.
for that matter, if a cartoon is made based off a korean manhua, is it anime? i say yes, given that the style is the same (manhua tends to use more lines so it's argueably more elegant) and manhua are stocked in the same place as manga on bookstore shelves. i have yet to see this happen, but when it does (and it will someday, if it hasn't already), i'll be calling it anime.

manga and anime are global now. national boundaries shouldn't matter so long as the style is kept and the spirit remains. >:\