OS-tan Collections

Look, some more vintage-tans.  Feel free to inform me if this is old ground and I'll stop.  But if not, please add your own input!

GMOS-heika
Enigmatic mother of all IBM-tans directly, and all others in the sense she was perhaps the first true OS.  I imagine her style to be similar to that of Queen Elizabeth the II in the 1950's, probably remembered as wearing a tiara and gown and being a kind, just, maternal figure to her IBM mainframe children.  Her true appearance and personality are lost to the mists of time since no living OS-tan ever knew her.  Perhaps she's venerated as a deity by the Mainframe/supercomputer-tans?

SHARE OR IBM 7090/94 IBSYS-san
Small, quiet, dresses in a conservative/subdued manner.  Old fashioned dress with a high collar, usually a stern expression.  Behavior similar to a librarian, obsessed with sorting and filing things (it was essentially a monitoring program, to match punch card images to the right utility) and can usually be found doing just that. An early rocket scientist, she helped NASA with the Mercury, Gemini, and early Apollo missions (including the first moon landing) an accomplishment of which she is quite proud (maybe a NASA theme to her clothing? Perhaps carrying a slide rule?).  Has always had gray hair. Also surprisingly good at card tricks (sorry, decks of programs, couldn't help myself).  Daughter of GM-NAA I/O-denke

University of Michigan Executive System(UMES)-tan
MTS-tan's predecessor and sister to 90/94 IBYSYS-tan.  Similar in appearance but probably a blond as opposed to her gray haired, and more obsessive, sister.  She prefers to focus on smaller tasks one at a time (UMES was designed for smaller student tasks).  Less flashy then her younger sister MTS-tan, UMES-san didn't travel as much or receive as widespread attention either (perhaps some resentment about her replacement?).  Her style of clothing is probably also divergent from IBSYS-tan, having a more northern/cold weather flavor. A contemporary of CTSS-sama, the two worked closely together on joint MIT/UM projects throughout the early sixties. Possessed of a subtle sense of humor directed at her operators (MAD was descended from ALGOL 58: it had block structure and a fast compiler, and if your compilation failed, the compiler used to print out a line printer portrait of Alfred E. Neumann. {MIT took that out to save paper.}) <quoted from Tom van Vleck> Maybe UMES-tan herself indulges in some lighter reading?

Music/SP-tan (prior development?)
The extremely adaptable education OS put out by IBM in 1972 (and the first OS my dad ever used).  An able multitasker, in her younger days she had problems working with more then one person at a time.  Likes to think she's at the forefront of technology, although she really isn't (maybe she dresses in contemporary professional clothes to stay "hip").  Has internet access since the early 90's. A native Canadian from Montreal, she's a fan of her home school (McGill University) even though they've pretty much abandoned her.  Somewhat UNIX-like, she has a limited ability to project an image of herself (capable of being emulated on a PC). Patient, she loves to help out anyway she can, especially students.  A talented classical musician, preferring the harp especially.  Probably of average height, naturally gray hair like 70/90 IBSYS-san.  Of all of these, she's the only one still alive.  Willing to talk to the more modern OS's, even if she does resent them for largely supplanting her.

Added a couple I forgot to put here.  I know Siya already drew one of them and Bella just did the other:


Apollo's Domain/OS-tan: A fairly short woman or teenaged girl. Simpler then Multics-sama and runs from a much smaller CPU powering generally smaller networks. Friends with BSD-tan, Unix System V-tan(?) (systems were interoperable). Stylishly and modernly dressed (workstations resembled modern PCs). Easily distracted and doesn't multitask well (Ethernet was prone to failure, could be overloaded by too many workstations.)  Generally could be described as 'spacey'. Her relationship with Multics is one of lackadasial admiration, in that she respects the system that inspired her but doesn't feel particularly motivated to display her affection.


Michigan Terminal System-tan/sensei (MTS-tan): Of course, she speaks with a Michigan and is a serious fan of the U of Michigan Wolverines. She has a warm and cheerful personality. Loves cold weather since she is prone to heat exhaustion (oil cooled CPU, to cool 30,000 BTU). MTS-tan has an extreme affinity for paper products and books (IBM manuals were gigantic). Sort of an international traveler, mostly to Canada and France. Her eyes are two tone sulfur green (the MTS terminals had an odd refresh, from top to bottom, then left to right in addition to being phosphor green). Tall (~6ft) and solidly built. MTS-tan is easily distracted by bright or flashing lights (According to some sources, IBM went overboard with the indicator lights). She almost always wears a necklace with a light bulb on it, symbolizing 'the only important light', the WAIT indicator that showed the system was not in use. Instead of Multicians, she has a dedicated following of former students/professors/engineers from Canada and Michigan. Likes to talk, a lot (pioneering electronic conferencing and instant messaging programs).

You sure are a hard working fellow, aren't ya. -w-;

That all sounds good. Do you have reference pictures for the machines they run on? I'd like to draw them, but it would help if there were more design cues.

Siya drew a concept sketch of GMOS-tan, and she fits the description of wearing a gown:

Working on some more designer type stuff as we speak.

Ahhh, now I remember seeing that sketch! Another pre-existing design search failure on my part.

This is awesome! Long ago I tried tackling the topic of early IBM-tans, but I didn't get very far (aside from TSS/360-tan and CP/CMS-tan).

I really like you ideas for GMOS-tan, because it seems to match up rather well with Siya's design for her. IBSYS-tan sounds about right, I actually hadn't heard of UMES until I read this, and MUSIC/SP-tan matches up with most of my old concepts for her (friendly, student-oriented, still in commission today, etc).

It's not an official IBM OS, but what do you think of BESYS (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BESYS)? Apparently, it was some sort of OS developed and used internally at Bell Labs, this site sort of makes the case that it could be a Multics-ancestor... sort of... http://www.geekcomix.com/cgi-bin/classnotes/wiki.pl?UNIX01/From_BESYS_To_UNIX

Well those are both quite well done.  To be fair, there isn't really much on either 7090/94 IBSYS-tan or UMES-tan....

Perhaps I subconsciously remembered seeing it? UMES-tan is a master of secrecy perhaps... good to hear Music/SP-tan matches up.

Hmm, BESYS is indeed interesting.  Seems like in the same way UMES & MTS-tan would be related.... however that is.... This also raises a question: Now I have seen places mentioning both the IBM 7090 and IBM 704  as the computer used for the Daisy Bell vocorder experiment.  It seems it was programmed on a IBM 7094 or IBM 704 in 1961, 1962, or 1963.  It seems to me that perhaps it was some sort of copying error one way or the other.  

http://www.switched.com/tag/bell+labs/
This one indicates the correct info is an IBM 704 in 1962  ;100

For now, here's one more non-IBM system, in fact a Burroughs creation.

Back Up Intercept Computer-chan (BUIC-chan):  Late teens in apparent age, red hair (Burroughs' color) worn with plain metal barrettes, doesn't wear glasses, her clothes are much plainer then SAGE typically wears, usually sporting plain fatigues or coveralls with a coat (she's a basic system).  SAGE-sama's daughter, operational security keeps the two apart (SAGE and BUIC stations were kept separate to prevent them from being simultaneously taken out) except for the occasional visit SAGE insisted upon and her letters. Not very active, she spends most of her time tinkering about with spare equipment around the base (again, as a back up she doesn't do much).  Growing up in a different era has affected BUIC-chan, she isn't quite the proper officer her mother acts like.  Not to say that she's incapable of acting like SAGE-sama if the need arises.  Much more prone to emotional displays, she is genuinely fond of her mother despite rarely seeing her.  Capable of rapidly assimilating the details of her surroundings, BUIC-chan has equally fantastic reflexes.  She has been known to complain from time to time of the isolation of her assignment.

Okay, one more preliminary one:

Bell Operating System (BESYS)-tan: Half sister to IBSYS-tan and UMES-tan, she doesn’t really take after them personality wise.  Apperance wise, similar height (mid five feet range), dark blue hair, eyes similar to UNIX-sama’s with the Bell logo. due to her wide variety of jobs at Bell Labs her wardrobe varies greatly but nothing fancy, has an equally large variety of name badges to indicate what job she’s doing at the moment.  Self starter she’ll take on any task, can be hard to get along with though (no support was offered, but it was used widely internally at Bell Labs), New Jersey native,   Excellent singing voice, which she doesn't try and hide leading to her singing sometimes while she works (might have been the Daisy Bell computer's OS), resented the attempts to replace her with Multics.  She likes to imagine a rivalry with CTSS-tan at MIT.

One site I found called BESYS the ancestor of IBSYS, but I couldn't find any other evidence to support that... so I guess it's about right that they're sisters. *shrugs*

Hmm, your story seems to have solved who did the Daisy Bell experiment first. xD I dunno, maybe IBSYS and BESYS-tan would both both lay claim to being the first? (After years had gone by and few were around to refute their claim, that is to say).

Yey, BUIC-chan! We really need moar Burroughs-tans. That's one area of computer history I haven't gotten into and maybe this'll motivate me to do a little research on it.

The character ideas for BUIC-tan sound pretty well though-out; I totally approve of the redheadedness (I always do), and I dunno, she just sounds really interesting (who would have thought SAGE-sama's daughter would be a bit idle and have catlike reflexes?)

The relationship is especially sad, but at least there was a reason they couldn't be together, called national security. -___-

You pretty much pegged my initial thoughts for BESYS-tan; though somehow I think she might dress with a slightly Indian flare (no real literal reason for this; mostly a throwback to Multics-sama's exotic fashion and some sort of reference to IBM 1401s being popular in India). I guess she wouldn't be very good with Multics-sama, though.

Quote from: "Bella"Yey, BUIC-chan! We really need moar Burroughs-tans. That's one area of computer history I haven't gotten into and maybe this'll motivate me to do a little research on it.

Quote from: "Bella"The character ideas for BUIC-tan sound pretty well though-out; I totally approve of the redheadedness (I always do)

^^ These automatically make you full of win!  :beer:

IBSYS started out as SHARE OS in '59 so yes she is two years younger, but both were early time sharers so I just decided to make her sort of an older sister to her and UMES-tan. *return shrug*

Yeaaah, I figured it was probably BESYS-tan who'd claim that accomplishment (I kept wanting to do a story to submit to the group, and that sort of became it).  Well, she did outlive BESYS so I suppose she could put her claim in after she wasn't around to refute it.  Although some important people might beg to differ....

Same here, I need to do a little moar research, I just happened to know BUIC-chan was  a Burroughs product, since most SAGE hardware was.  Off the bat, I know there's at least one other I want to do (Pick OS-tan, if she hasn't already been created).

Hooray for redheads!  BUIC-chan's traits just seemed natural, to be honest she was probably the easiest of all of them.  Maybe since SAGE had already been completed.

National security means its time for Executive Order hugs.

Hmm, interesting.  Sounds fine by me.  Insert your own Multics-BESYS "The Devil went Down to Georgia" joke here.

Quote from: "Red-Machine"

Quote from: "Bella"Yey, BUIC-chan! We really need moar Burroughs-tans. That's one area of computer history I haven't gotten into and maybe this'll motivate me to do a little research on it.

Quote from: "Bella"The character ideas for BUIC-tan sound pretty well though-out; I totally approve of the redheadedness (I always do)

^^ These automatically make you full of win!  :beer:

I stayed up until, like, midnight last night reading about Burroughs. Fascinating stuff there-- I've never researched the company before (despite a family connection to it; my great aunt was secretary to the president of Burroughs in the 1960s).

QuoteSame here, I need to do a little moar research, I just happened to know BUIC-chan was a Burroughs product, since most SAGE hardware was. Off the bat, I know there's at least one other I want to do (Pick OS-tan, if she hasn't already been created).

IIRC, C-chan *may* have proposed an concept for PickOS-tan. You might want to drop his newest incarnation (C-quel) a line about that.

But wait, Pick isn't an OS is it? I thought it was some sort of database program. That shouldn't stop you from making one (the line between OS, hardware and program-tan gets blurred often), that was just an observation on my part.

Speaking of old mainframe-tans, what about Master Control Program (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burroughs_MCP) (MCP)-tan? Some initial thoughts (mostly based on this brochure (http://www.cs.virginia.edu/brochure/images/manuals/b5000/brochure/b5000_broch.html)):
-Born 1961, matured into her current self in the 1970s
-MCP-tan would be friendly but to-the-point
-A very independent worker, sometimes to the point of snubbing co-workers who want to help out (MCP was hailed as being highly automated)
-Can't stand an idle moment, might be considered a bit of an a-type personality by some
-Practised some type of primitive "open sourcery" (MCP source was provided to all licensees, many of whom contributed to MCP's programming)
-Ahead of her time (MCP implemented features only now becoming widespread)
-Still alive today (MCP's latest stable release was in 2008)
and Unisys/Univac

Physically I'm not sure what she might be like; I imagine she's tall and heavily built (because MCP ran on some or the largest Burroughs mainframes, and it'd serve as a contrast to all the waifish, delicately built OS-tans). I think her dress style would change from era to era.

Next up, an EXEC-sama relative (daughter?)OS 2200 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unisys_OS_2200_operating_system)-tan. Some initial thoughts:

-I have no friggin idea.

QuoteHooray for redheads! BUIC-chan's traits just seemed natural, to be honest she was probably the easiest of all of them. Maybe since SAGE had already been completed.

National security means its time for Executive Order hugs.

Hmm, interesting. Sounds fine by me. Insert your own Multics-BESYS "The Devil went Down to Georgia" joke here.

It's always fun when a character just sort of falls together into place. Yey for executive order hugs! Hmmm, a fiddlin' contest where the loser has to sell her source to Microsoft?

Quote from: "Bella"Hmmm, a fiddlin' contest where the loser has to sell her source to Microsoft?

That's akin to prostitution for an independent OS, ya know...

Quote from: "Bella"Hmmm, a fiddlin' contest where the loser has to sell her source to Microsoft?

Perhaps the loser gets exiled to Southern Bell?

Quote from: "Bella"IIRC, C-chan *may* have proposed an concept for PickOS-tan. You might want to drop his newest incarnation (C-quel) a line about that.

But wait, Pick isn't an OS is it? I thought it was some sort of database program. That shouldn't stop you from making one (the line between OS, hardware and program-tan gets blurred often), that was just an observation on my part.

Will do.

It seems that its core component is a database and that it's primary function is data processing but you're right, if it is an application that doesn't stop me.  Although I'm not "feeling" it right now

MCP-tan sounds interesting for sure.  I think you pretty much covered it.  Sounds like she could have her own editor program companion (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CANDE) a la OpenVMS? To tell the truth there don't seem to be a lot of Burroughs OS's, just her and BTOS.  A Burroughs PC, that was surprising.

Ah, OS 2200..... yeah, nothing.  Such a wall of text even for the Wiki article.

An interesting bit of memorabilia, at least in my opinion, is this button from the UVA computer history collection. (http://www.cs.virginia.edu/brochure/new_images/button.gif)  "The Computer Everyone Loved but No One Wanted to Buy"

Back to IBM for a moment, trying to decide whether to do a -tan for MVS (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MVS), since MVS may or may not just be OS/360 wearing a pretty hat for OS-tan purposes.  But, here's OS/360 at least:

OS/360-tan:
-Mildly schizophrenic (large number of sub-products)
-Generally finds it difficult to multitask (Not naturally a time sharing OS)
-Secure in her belief in IBM's superiority over their competitors, prone to spouting company rhetoric
-Easier to get along with then her older sisters though (OS/360 was the end result of a series of stop gap OS's)
-Almost immortal (OS/360 has sort of morphed and changed into systems still used today)
-Don't let her near anything breakable, extremely clumsy (Prone to fragmentation)
-Very popular with other -tans (OS on some of the best selling mainframes IBM has made)
-Skilled at a variety of governmental and scientific functions
Status: Alive? Sort of?
-Sworn enemy of MTS-tan and all other third parties who wish to run on her equipment (IBM System/360 mainframes)
-Strangely enough, got along alright withTSOS-tan
-Leader of the IBM forces during part of the Mainframe Conflict
-Learned how to do card tricks from IBSYS-sama (Sorry, large racks of data cards)
-Good at talking with the modern PC-tans (OS/360 had ease talking to terminals, that's a translatable skill)

Physical: Large breasted (Required large amounts of memory, perhaps the spiritual predecessor of XP Pro-tan?), likes to wear IBM themed clothing, still caries her cutlass mainly for show, decently tall and well built (she is a mainframe-tan), gray eyes, black-gray hair



Okay, here's the RCA-tan who also happens to also be a Unisys-tan, I don't think she's been done but I've been wrong before:

RCA TSOS  AKA VS/9-tan (BS2000-tan?):
-Patient (system waited for the enter command as opposed to one character at a time)
-Enjoys TV & Radio programs and listens to 8-track tapes, has expansive entertainment industry trivia knowledge (RCA origins)
-Polite (Start up message struck me "Welcome to the VS/9 terminal system. Please logon.")
-Time conscious, always watches the clock (user accounts could be time limited)
-Use of Exec-8 brought about her downfall in Unisys use
-Insecure with her identity, not sure where she belongs (RCA sold her, but she misses her time there. Unisys improved her, then abandoned her. As BS2000/OSD she was sold overseas, and to her last remaining market)
-Friendlier then most IBM-tans (more user friendly then its contemporaries) but demonstrates passive aggressive behavior towards them, especially OS/360 (wants to show them up, at the same time OS/360 and her are quite...... compatible *cough* Plan 9/Slackware *cough*)
-Has threatened Unisys with revenge numerous times since the late 80s, but hasn't shown any dislike towards OS 2200 for some reason
-Speaks German & Japanese (sold to a German company, then a Japanese one)
-Status: Alive? BS2000 which was/is a version of TSOS that is still used, sooo *shrug*

Physically:  Wears clothing with a red & white color scheme usually, probably featuring lightening bolts prominently.  Somewhat of a Japanese and German influence too, so the actual clothes themselves would be of varying styles.  Average height and weight for the most part (Spectra series was considered decidedly average).  Occasionaly wears an IBM pin.  Black hair (for magnetic tape?).


Okay, these took a while but since Bella wrapped up the Burroughs-tan(?), I went after one of the other dwarfs.  So, here's a rather complete (I think) list of Control Data Corporation-tans:

Chippewa Operating System (COS) AKA SCOPE-sama:
-Shown very little love or respect by her CDC family (COS was originally a stop gap OS until better ones came along)
-Has an inferiority complex that wasn't entirely unjustified, feels the need to prove herself (was indeed initially inferior to other operating systems)
-Likes to test and mess around with experiments, and is quite good at it (initially designed to test systems, not for delivery)
-Greatly satisfied by her defeat of the rival/usurper SPIROS-tan
-A great beliver in "the right to rise" and prone to giving motivational speeches (was developed further into a successful OS)
-Leader of the CDC family and the most successful, despite not being respected at all by any of her descendants
-Love/Hate relationship with her own employees, especially the field engineers (referred to as "Sunnyvale's Collection of Programming Errors" by them)
-Known for her speed, quite fleet of foot (Ran/runs on one of the most powerful computers of the 1960s, enjoys showing up the lumbering IBM-tans)
-Great at multitasking and good at delegating tasks to her assistants (the CDC 6600 could offload common tasks to external I/O processors to speed up more important work)
-Early associate of Seymour Cray (possibly related to the Cray-tans?)
-From Minnesota, thus has an accent
-Status: Alive? (Run by some companies to this day apparently)

Physically: appears to be stitched together (thrown together quickly out of existing OSs in the beginning), dresses simply but well (succeeded but doesn't like to show off), her hair is often messy or tangled and is several different colors, her wide open eyes make her look almost permanently surprised (look at the pictures on Wiki of the CDC 6600), a bit tall


MACE-kun:
-Loose cannon of the CDC family (an unauthorized development of COS)
-Intense personality; loud, boisterous, self assured.  The opposite of his sister(?) SCOPE-sama.
-Arrogant (Asked for by customers even though not technically a product)
-Adaptable, takes change easily and willing to help others understand whats going on.
-Proud of his roots as a single programmer's off hour project, considers his accomplishments superior to the others.
-"Working Man's OS", created at an assembly plant, not a lab.  Despite this, he isn't as hands on as SCOPE-sama
-Status: Alive?

Physical: Likes to wear work clothes, blond hair, bright shiny teeth, almost always grinning (imagine a slightly sleazy politician), medium height and stocky (doesn't necessarily do much).  

CDC KRONOS-kun:
-Direct son of MACE-kun, but not very similar personality wise
-More modest (incorporated parts of COS in addition to MACE)
-Tries to keep the peace amongst the others, SCOPE-sama considers him her second in command
-Extremely time conscious, doesn't put up with tardiness (named after a god of time, so its normal right?)
-A shrewd businessmen, quite popular with the customers, who managed to secure his position within the family (both SCOPE and KRONOS remained popular for a long time with CDC customers)
-Status: Alive?

Physical: Usually wears a conservatively colored three piece suit, glasses (for effect, not because he needs them), another blond, blue eyes.  Closer to SCOPE-sama's height then his father's.

Network Operating System (NOS)-tan:
-The second (and more successful) usurper of control from SCOPE-sama
-Sometimes attempts to mascaraed as SCOPE or oddly enough KRONOS (NOS was an attempt to combine SCOPE and KRONOS)
-Defeated by SCOPE-sama and Kronos-san in battle, forcing her to accept a lesser position in the family.
-Even more arrogant then MACE-kun, but not quite as personable
-Pretty much despised by the other CDC-tans
-Status: Alive?

Phsyical: Medium height and a bit of a light weight, somehow the only brunette of the bunch but may wear wigs as part of a disguise, has stitching similar to SCOPE but less noticeable (combination of KRONOS and SCOPE), almost always frowning, dresses typically in a more flamboyant style unless impersonating SCOPE or KRONOS

NOS/VE-tan:
-Mysterious daughter of NOS-tan
-The last CDC-tan
-Quiet, makes more attempts to ingratiate herself with the SCOPE-sama
-Known admirer of Multics-sama (similar in some ways to Multics?)
-Not as capable a fighter as any of her predecessors (CDC was failing by her time)
-Status: Alive?

Physical: small pale girl, average height and thin, blond haired, likes to dress like Multics, but usually much plainer due to budget and cultural restraints.

SMM-tan:
-CDC Repairman
-Keeps the hardware in working order
-MACE-kun's chief lieutenant
-Rarely leaves the Arden Hill plant.
-Status: Deceased?

Physical: Wears CDC coveralls and a hard hat, black haired, tall and thin, pale from lack of sun, usually carries a tool box.

KALEIDOSCOPE-tan:
-CDC software tester
-Responsible for making sure software is reliable before deployment
-SCOPE-sama's agent inside Arden Hill
-Nervous personality, brought on by stress
-Excellent eye sight
-Skilled diagnostician and chief medical specialist of the CDC family
-Status: Deceased?

Physical: Wears jeweler's glasses, short and sturdily built, has multicolored hair a la SCOPE-sama, prefers simple business clothes and a lab coat

MALET (Maintenance Application Language for Equipment Testing)-kun:
-Field scout for CDC
-Assists KALEIDOSCOPE-tan upon occasion
-The only CDC-tan that actually gets along with the field engineers
-Enjoys taunting and teasing the CDC OS's (MALET's job was to help engineers test for system errors)
-Plays pranks on SCOPE-sama frequently, but often serves as an emissary for her nonetheless

Physical: Dress a bit stereotypically, usually a button up shirt, tie, and slacks, about 6'0 but heavily built, black hair

That's enough for today I think.  Maybe I'll hit NCR tomorrow?

Uwah, you're really a Sage here, aren't you. >.<

oh wow i miss alot when i'm gone!! @_____@!

this is so cool. i love it when people start making new -tans, it gets so inspire-ey. :3

lemme know if artz is needed, but it looks like bella and aurora got it covered. :3

I'm coming up with some concept sketches for these new characters.  

That NOS-tan sounds like a total jerk! Poor SCOPE-sama.

With SCOPE-sama being an associate of Cray, I imagine that she'd be friends with Cray-1-tan.

OMG, Stewartsage-- you ARE the hardest working man in OS-tan business. O.O

I wish I could go through and comment on each, but I'll just say that they all sound about right (especially considering that I don't know much about CDC or RCA) . I really love your concept for OS/360-tan; a buddy over at dA was considering making an MVS-tan, but I don't know if there's a big enough difference in the system to warrant different characters. Initially, I imagined CANDE-tan/kun might be a good sidekick for MCP-tan. xD

Haha, that pin is awesome. I'll trade you this one! http://www.multicians.org/mulimg/you-would-b2.jpg

Anyhow, here are a few uber-speeddoodles:


http://bellacielo.deviantart.com/art/Mainframe-tan-designs-150642435

-I think I ended up making GMOS-tan look more like Queen Elizabeth in the 1550s than Queen Elizabeth II in the 1950s.
-SCOPE-sama I tried to give a slight Grecian flare... for the heck of it I guess.
-NOS/VE-tan
-The sisters IBSYS and BESYS

Quotelemme know if artz is needed, but it looks like bella and aurora got it covered. :3

Please to join in if you want! The more the merrier I say.

QuoteI'm coming up with some concept sketches for these new characters.

Yey!

Ooopsie, double post.

Quote from: "NejinOniwa"Uwah, you're really a Sage here, aren't you. >.<

Not so sure about that...

Quote from: "Choco"lemme know if artz is needed, but it looks like bella and aurora got it covered. :3

Artz is always needed Choco!

Quote from: "Aurora"I'm coming up with some concept sketches for these new characters.

That NOS-tan sounds like a total jerk! Poor SCOPE-sama.

With SCOPE-sama being an associate of Cray, I imagine that she'd be friends with Cray-1-tan.

Hooray!

Thats what happened after Cray left..... At least she triumphed though.

I think so, I mean even though he did leave CDC to form his own company that doesn't mean his creations can't get along.
   

Quote from: "Bella"OMG, Stewartsage-- you ARE the hardest working man in OS-tan business. O.O

A bit of an overstatement I think....

To tell the truth the only other two RCA OSs are shrouded in more mystery then GMOS-tan.  Glad to hear you like OS/360-tan, she was actually the last one finished ^^;.  That's the exact same problem I had, it seems most of the early OS/360 derivatives are just OS/360 for different systems or just OS/360 with a funny mask.  Holy Gateway Arch MCP-senpai!  It seems a large Midwest group is springing up to compete against the east & west -tans.

I got a 403 error?

Already!?

-That works, she looks appropriately regal.  I really like Siya's punch card dress design.
-SCOPE-sama! Hmm, it worked out pretty well.  Got the eyes pretty well down too.
-Poor NOS/VE, she tries so hard to make up for her mother's behavior
-It took me a second to figure out what IBSYS-san was doing, then I lol'd.  Good to see BESYS repping Bell Labs!

Yay! As a Midwesterner, I'm glad to see there ARE some OSes from the Midwest after all!

Now I just need to discover where they're hiding all of the Southern OSs.  I want to do at least one more CDC-tan and an NCR-tan, but there doesn't seem to be much inspiration for either of them (TMX & OS^3)

Here are some concept sketches!

OS/360 looks good! I was a bit vague with her style of dress, but your design pretty much pegs it.

Same can be said for RCA TSOS-san, and the headphones are a nice touch.

haha, KRONOS and MACE

Thanks! :D

In the OS-tan wiki, I added the new characters from this thread into the list, but are ALL the characters introduced in the thread mainframe-tans?  If so, I was going to make a section for them, since the 'Other OS-tans' section (where they are tentatively located) is getting so big.

Welcome! :)

I think so, yes.  The only one that's questionable to me is DomainOS-tan, but even there I don't know where else she'd go

On the wiki (http://ostan-collections.net/wiki/List_of_OS-tans), I added the mainframe-tan (http://ostan-collections.net/wiki/Mainframe-tans) section!

However, I'm not sure if I got all the Mainframes on the list, nor am I completely sure if all those listed are true mainframes. :-/

Could also use some help with their articles. I can't do this alone!

you know, i was going to say something, but then i left this window for about 20 minutes and completely forgot.

*fweep* everything looks great, everyone! keep it up!! *fweep fweep*

Oh no!  I'm sure it'll come back to you.

Quote from: "stewartsage"Holy Gateway Arch MCP-senpai!  It seems a large Midwest group is springing up to compete against the east & west -tans.

I got a 403 error?

Quote from: "aurora"Yay! As a Midwesterner, I'm glad to see there ARE some OSes from the Midwest after all!

Yeah, I used to think all of the really early OSes were from the East coast! Now it would seem that the midwest could be the OS cradle of civilization... xD

Oh, and this was the link I posted:


Interesting designs Aurora-san! OS/360 is pretty cool looking, and TSOS-tan is very pretty too. :)

I'd help with the wikiing, but I'm lazy as hell and stuff. :(

What link Bella??

Agreed on the wikiing, I keep starting to turn outlines into proper articles before getting distracted and giving up.

THIS link:
http://www.multicians.org/mulimg/you-would-b2.jpg
Which turns up a 403 for hotlinking, so let's do this:

Doesn't look secure to me, lol.  That was the easiest maze I've ever done in my life!

Oooh, pretty button

Quote from: "Red-Machine"Doesn't look secure to me, lol.  That was the easiest maze I've ever done in my life!

They symbolize the 8 rings of Multics or something... I think?

Anyway, these aren't IBM-tans, OS-tans or -tans at all-- but since this seems to be the staging area for ancient OS-and-App-tans, I'll post my ideas anyway.

QED-kun (aka TED-kun, FRED-kun). QED was a text editor originally used in Berkeley Timesharing System (BTSS), then ported to CTSS, GECOS (under the name FRED) and Multics (as TED).

I see QED-kun as a very quiet, detached and withdrawn fellow, not interested in ladies as some of his fellow editor-kuns are (actually, his only real love is his work). He doesn't carry much sense of sentiment or loyalty either; while he originated as a servant of BTSS-tan, he later went on to work for CTSS-sama. He resurfaced in Multics-sama's life under the assumed name of TED-kun; he became one of her closest workers WHILE also working for her arch-arch-arch-rival GECOS-tan (under another alias, FRED-kun). I suppose both of his lady-friends would be VERY pissed off to learn that he was working for the other. Hilarity ensues!

Next up, CANDE-kun. CANDE is a text editor and command-line shell for Master Control Program (MCP).

I didn't know if CANDE should be a -tan or -kun, but I went with -kun because I found the potential design lulzier. I see CANDE-kun as a textbook dandy (or fop, or bishonen): a pretty young man with ravishing blond curls, doe-like blue eyes and a flare for fine fashion and gourmet sweets. He's one of MCP-tan's best friends.

QED-kun's a fairly mercenary chap isn't he?

If there is one thing the OS-tan world needs, its more foppish text editors.  Seriously!

WANTS BUTTON *grabs uncontrollaby* i collect buttons, so whoo.

like i said, all support i can offer (what little there is)will be during summertime. idk why i'm still in this thread.

srsly, keep up the good work!! *fweep*

Quote from: "stewartsage"QED-kun's a fairly mercenary chap isn't he?

If there is one thing the OS-tan world needs, its more foppish text editors.  Seriously!

Yes, he is. Sorta like Emacs-kun, minus the fangirls. >xD

The world needs more fops, period. :3

Quote from: "Chocofreak13"WANTS BUTTON *grabs uncontrollaby* i collect buttons, so whoo.

like i said, all support i can offer (what little there is)will be during summertime. idk why i'm still in this thread.

srsly, keep up the good work!! *fweep*

Buttons, eh? I sorta collect animal sculptures... mostly horses and dogs... and I guess I collect bells too now (I inherited a huge collection from a relative). I plan to collect old computers once I get the space. And time...

Your still in this thread because we like you here, that's why! :D

Quote from: "Bella"Yes, he is. Sorta like Emacs-kun, minus the fangirls. >xD

The world needs more fops, period. :3

What!? No fangirls! How is this possible?

Sounds like a research paper to me, "Decline and Fall of the Fop Empire"

Hmm, I collect patches, OS's, stamps, and old books.  You're here because the power of the Mainframe-tans compells you Choco!

Quote from: "stewartsage"

Quote from: "Bella"Yes, he is. Sorta like Emacs-kun, minus the fangirls. >xD

The world needs more fops, period. :3

What!? No fangirls! How is this possible?

Sounds like a research paper to me, "Decline and Fall of the Fop Empire"

Hmm, I collect patches, OS's, stamps, and old books.  You're here because the power of the Mainframe-tans compells you Choco!

Okay, maybe I exaggerate a bit-- but I do imagine he'd pretty much ignore any women who tried to cozy up with him. (There's WORK to be done. No time for girls or candy or anything fun!)

Fops are still around, just in the form of metrosexuals!

OSes, lol, I forgot about THOSE. Oh yes, I have one helluva OS collection. :B

I have a couple of ideas for new (OLD) OS-tans. Except some of them are really more like hardware-tans, or are rather difficult to pin down as either hardware of software. Ugh! the past makes my head hurt!

THOR Timesharing System (http://portal.acm.org/citation.cfm?id=1465582&dl=GUIDE&coll=GUIDE&CFID=73142437&CFTOKEN=63749710)-tan. THOR was an OS that ran/runs on the PDP-1 minicomputer; the PDP-1 was, apparently, strongly influenced Whirlwind.

Somehow I see THOR-tan:
- as a very small, outwardly mousey girl (PDP-1 was a modest computer for its time, and THOR a rather typical OS); at the same time, very feisty and resourceful. Foundress of the DEC Empire.
- a good verbal communicator, but a slow writer (THOR was able to give fast console results but teletype was slower)
- blonde and blue-eyed and carrying a hammer (reference to the Norse god of the same name)
- she dresses in blue and white (PDP-1 colours)
- is an excellent musician-- pianist, perhaps? (PDP-1 is famous for making music (http://www.dpbsmith.com/pdp1music/))
- Daughter/protege of Whirlwind-hime, sister-thingy to SAGE-sama (???)

Now for a slightly murkier OS-tan; Ramo-Woolridge RW-300 Realtime Executive (http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sys.pdp10/msg/51870e4fc2d88da5)-tan (more info here (http://books.google.com/books?id=TxKynbyaIAMC&pg=PA15&lpg=PA15&dq=RW-300+process+control+computer&source=bl&ots=jvvgMQ7vAL&sig=IA29eZDh267K33bIwyC5VySXalo&hl=en&ei=8SxeS-yvCIvp8Qanr9jsBA&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CAoQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=RW-300%20process%20control%20computer&f=false), on page 15 paragraph 2). She's the birth mother of RSX-11-tan, grandmother of OpenVMS-sama and ultimate ancestor of all Windows NT-based -tans, however, so I guess that makes her pretty important.

This OS doesn't even have a name and isn't referenced in any of the documents I could find for the RW-300 computer. So the line between hardware and OS is VERY blurred in this case.

The RW-300 was used heavily and successfully in different chemical plants, refineries and nuclear power plants. In light of this, I see RW-300 Realtime Executive-tan as:

- Mysterious, known mostly for her work and not her personality (little info on the OS, but it did make an impact on the industry)
- Like her daughter and granddaughter, she's a loner
- A very skilled chemist, has skills bordering on alchemy. This is a two-pronged reference; both to RW-300's use in the chemical industry AND a throwback to RSX-11-tan and VMS-sama's alchemical/geomancy skills
- Has a foggy short-term memory in matters not pertaining to work (Computer had a small memory capacity but that didn't diminish its usefulness). She's quick-thinking and fast on her feet (realtime OS).
- RSX 11-tan is her daughter, though RSX 11-tan doesn't know her real heritage (having only been raised in DEC by DOS Batch 11-tan). Dunno if RW 300 Realtime Executive-tan would know of their relationship, though.

And finally, over at dA Stewart-san mentioned the possibility of a Oregon State Open Shop OS-tan. I can't say I have any ideas, but from the one useful document (http://www.bitsavers.org/pdf/oregonState/os3/CCM-71-07_OS-3primer_Sep72.pdf) I could find it would seem that an Open Shop OS-tan would be a stickler in matters of money and charge people for her company (students were charged for the amount of disk space/computer time they used).

I just realized how WRONG that last sentence sounds. >.> <.<

So RSX-11-tan does have a known birth mother after all! I wonder why RSX-11-tan doesn't know of her, and why DOS-11-tan chose to withhold that fact from her... some sort of conspiracy?

Hey! This sounds eerily familiar with NT-tan not knowing her true heritage to the DEC-tans!

I imagine that Open Shop OS-tan would be rather greedy.

I'll try and sketch up a concept sketch of THOR-tan wearing what resembles the DEC-tan uniform, but more old-fashioned (and of course in blue+white instead of red+grey).

Hooray more DECs!  It seems you've got THOR-tan pretty much covered.  She does seem to have a flair for music.  Now if only I could find the ILLIAC Suite.

The NT-VMS family gains another tier, good work Bella.  As for whether she knows about her daughter, considering how dedicated to her work she that little bit of information might have slipped her mind?

Annnnd that little bit seems to have been enough to inspire me.  (Same document I picked out.  It sounded helpful ><)

Oregon State Open Shop OS (OS^3)-tan
-Punctual to a fault, and won't tolerate tardiness (school regulated computer usage closely)
-Equally strict with money matters
-Tends to talk down to non-programmers/engineers
-Spends a lot of her time on the phone for business (Remote teletype access)
-Despite all this, gets along well with students somehow (Still was another of what could be termed 'School OS's')
-Has a long distance friendship with her nominal mother/sister(???) SCOPE-sama of the CDC family
--Tries to stay out of internal fighting, but did stand against NOS-tan
-A friend to most of the other college OS's, and a member of the Association of Education Operating Systems.

Phsyical: Average height, thin, black hair, surprisingly strong, almost always has a ledger (and later a calculator/calculator-tan), likes to wear sweaters with orange patterns, otherwise in generally a 60's style

Hardware-tans!  Another one I've been waiting to do for a while, and a personal favorite of mine.  ILLIAC-senpai!

Illinois Automatic Computer (ILLIAC)-tan
-Used to be a bright eyed and eager to learn young student known for her speed and accuracy for completing tasks (ILLIAC I-III)
-Never really made a comeback after her stay in hospital in the late 70's
-Despite her skills and potential, since the 70's has been incredibly lazy with a tendancy to slack off at work (ILLIAC IV)
--Feels she doesn't matter any more
-Has been attending school since 1951
-If pressed, claims vaguely to be majoring in music and physics or biology (ILLIAC I was a pioneer in computer composed music and ILLIAC III was used in physics and biology experiments)
-Terrified of fire and explosions (ILLIAC III burned in 1968 and one of the reasons ILLIAC IV was dropped was fear of attack (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sterling_Hall_bombing)
-Has a HUGE family, the only for sure living siblings are her twin ORDVAC-san, SMIL-sensei and BESM-san.  See chart (http://tinypic.com/r/13zu1rr/6)
-Is one of the few survivng Neumannists, although she has lapsed in practice
-Associated with Linux-tan these days (Trusted ILLIAC is a Linux cluster)
-Currently her advisor is trying to encourage her to regain her old focus (ILLIAC VI is under construction)
-Her long association with the school cause her to occasionally forget things have changed around campus
-Status: Alive and slacking

Physical: A woman in her late teens or early twenties, Not all that tall, round wire frame glasses, messy hair tending towards red-orange with blue eyes (school colors), usually wears jeans or plain skirts with a U of I sweatshirt

Okay, double post but here are a few IAS family members, more on the way

Correctly placed edit:Somehow I missed this the first time; it should be mentioned SCOPE-sama was heavily involved with nuclear and atomic bomb research during her lifetime.

Institute for Advanced Study (IAS) Machine-sama
-Poor sense of time (No central clock)
-Has trouble keeping up with assignments
-Proud of her advanced design and achievements
-Avowed enemy of her cousin, the Manchester Small-Scale Experimental machine
-Mother of the large IAS machine family, proud of her children and their descendants.  Except for BESM.
-Speaks Hungarian and English, occasionally slipping between the two
-Interested and knowledgeable in a wide range of scientific fields
-Too fond of explosions for her daughter ILLIAC's taste (worked on nuclear and hydrogen bombs)
-Likes to play games and tell limericks (von Neumann worked with game theory and was known for tell "Off color" jokes)
-Far more conservative politically then most of her colleagues
-Sometimes overindulges in food and drink
-Likes to drive, but forbidden to.  Settles for the occasional trip with the good doctor
-Renowned for her ability to mimic "normal" people, sometimes used in conjunction with her fondness for playing games.
-Embarrassed by being afflicted with von Neumann Bottleneck
-Status: Alive? (machine intact at the Smithsonian)

Physical: A bit imposing, despite only being of average height, tends to be a bit overweight, dresses in conservative business attire all the time, Silver hair kept styled and golden eyes
Quote: "There once was a computer from Boston...."

ORDVAC-san
-Twin sister of ILLIAC-senpai, grew up with her and often talk via phone
-Misses her family more then ILLIAC seems to
-Clumsy and accident prone, but fast (had issues with acceptance tests, but was reassmbled quickly)
-Retains more of the dedicated, hard working, and cheerful personality of ILLIAC
-Likes to pitch in and help her staff any way she can
-Another one of the IAS Family who likes things that go boom (Did ballistics at Aberdeen proving ground)
-At least as good a mathamtician as MANIAC-san
-Spells in her own "unique" way (hexadecimal represented in odd manners)
-Excellant aviation & missile engineer
-Technically in the Army, doesn't really seem to be
-Status: Alive, represents all other to current day Bureau of Ordnance computers

Physical: Very similar to ILLIAC-senpai, but often seen with a bandage or cast, hair lighter color, typically has an army helmet on, sometimes wears an Army uniform
Quote: "It's safe, really!"

MANIAC (Mathematical Analyzer, Numerical Integrator, and Computer or Mathematical Analyzer, Numerator, Integrator, and Computer)-san
-Eldest of the National Lab branch by a year, despite this she leaves most of the leadership to her younger sister AVIDAC-san
-Acts quite insane, more to live up to her name then any native insanity (actually her creator thought this wasn't a silly acronym)
-Probably not who you want involved in designing atomic weapons
-An expert mathematician
-Watched as many of the nuclear tests as possible, inherited her mother's love of explosions
-Likes to taunt ORACLE-san
-Sort of a momma's girl, believes herself to be IAS-sama's favorite
-Status: Deceased

Physical: Always seen with a manic grin, described as wild eyed, keeps a pencil behind her ear, tall, wears civilian summer cloths because of her New Mexico residence, black hair usually worn with a headband, also likes sunglasses, has a tan
Quote: "I ran the numbers! *bwahahaha*"

AVIDAC (Argonne Version of the Institute's Digital Automatic Computer)-san
-Second oldest of the National Lab branch of the family, feels responsible for the rest of them.  Especially her younger brother.
-Tries to keep the peace
-High strung from dealing with MANIAC and GEORGE
-Dedicated to her work in theoretical physics and reactor design
-Fond of the blues (ANL is near Chicago)
-Close friend of ILLIAC-senpai
-Status: deceased

Physical: Medium height, but a bit on the thin side from working long hours and eating little, bit on the pale side, often wore sunglasses or reflective lab goggles, eyes shift color, typically seen in a buttoned up lab coat and carrying a pad of graph paper, hair pulled back in a pony tail
Quote: "Don't touch that!"

GEORGE-kun
-Younger and faster brother to AVIDAC-san
-Hot blooded, more into the physics side of the lab, leaving design work to his elder sister
-Likes to work out
-Faster then his sisters
-Taunts ILLIAC, probably too much for his own good
-Enjoys the Chicago proximity more
-Status: Deceased

Physical: Short and physically in excellant shape, black  hair cut short, dresses stylishly, has the "Argonne Eyes"
Quote: "Rythmn and Blues revue eh?  Wanna go sis?"

ORACLE (Oak Ridge Automatic Computer and Logical Engine)-san
-Tennesse based -tan, has the appropriate accent
-The most general purpose of the National Lab IAS-tans, skilled in a variety of scientific fields
-Unsure of herself, awkward,  and generally quiet (Hard to sound smart with a Southern accent)
-Likes to relax to old timey music, helps distract her from her work
-Most self concious about her job, feels concerned about working on nuclear devices (worked on health physics and shielding from fallout)
-Has the best fashion sense
-Often at odds with MANIAC-tan
-Likes to swim
-Status: Deceased

Physical: Tallest of her sisters,  prefers casual dresses, shoulder length straight brown hair usually with a bow, inherited her mother's golden eyes,  also known to carry a geiger counter and stethescope
Quote: "Now make sho an' check yo' dosimeter at reg'lar in'ervals ya'll"

BESK (Binary Electronic Sequence Calculator)-san
-Swedish, does not speak English
-Mother(?) of SMIL and DASK
-Tries to be as much like IAS-sama as possible (built partly from IAS plans)
-Acts seceretive about everything, whether needed or not (Used to decrypt radio messages and calculate data for SAAB fighters)
-Never caught in bad weather (used to predict weather patterns)
-Likes to knit (memory assembled by housewives  experienced in kniting)
-Fond of drinking, very good at holding her liquor (rumor has it they acronym was made to suit a type of local bitter after they were denied CONIAC)
-Status: Deceased

Physical: Bit of a stereotypical Swede, tall with long wavy blond, blue eyes, very fit, carries a knitting bag with her including a stuffed lion (SAAB symbol)
Quote: "Det kommer inte regna idag!"

BESM (Ð'ольшая ЭлекÑ,ронно-СчÑ'Ñ,ная Машина "Large Electronically Computing Machine")-san
-Outcast member of the IAS family (Soviet computer, considering IAS Machine-sama's political beliefs....)
-Unlike BESK, is multilingual, including English (widely exported throughout Eastern Europe)
-Very arrogant and a braggert, insists she's always been and always will be better then her sisters (Claimed to be better then US contemporaries of the 70's)
-Attempted to challenge CDC6600-sama & SCOPE-sama for fastest computer in the world, and lost
-As fond of jokes as IAS-sama, often regales listeners with tales of her past works
-Beloved by her users, friend to many European OS's
-Not afraid to work hard at any number of tasks
-Status: Alive

Physical: Second tallest IAS after ORACLE-san, black hair in a bun and green eyes, almost always smiling, usually wears a grey overcoat with a striped sweater and casual slacks
Quote: "You wish  to challenge me? *AHAHAHA*"

JOHNNIAC (John v. Neumann Numerical Integrator and Automatic Computer)-kun
-A bit spacey, works for the RAND think tank
-One of the few IAS's with a reliable, unaided sense of time (internal clock added for TSOS support)
-Wrote JOSS, which led to DEC's FOCAL and MUMPS
-Modest, but proud of being named after "the creator"
-Twin/clone source(???) for Cyclone-tan, closest to her and ILLIAC-senpai (systems were some of the few that were interoperable)
-Now retired, cheated death twice before reaching safe haven
-Known for being kind of slow, but makes fewer mistakes then his siblings
-Status: Alive? (Intact at the Computer History Museum)

Physical: Average height and weight, greying black hair, wears glasses, blue eyes, usually wears khaki pants and a polo, now appears to be in his 60s or 70s
Quote: "Just a minute, alllllllmost finished."

CYCLONE-chan
-Early educational computer
-Clone... thing of JOHNNIAC, good friends with him and interned under ILLIAC (systems were some of the few that were interoperable)
-Easily excitable
-Likes to try new things (ISU moddified it quite often)
-Drinks coffee almost constantly
-Fond of animals and farming (From Iowa for petes sake)
-Active, likes to practice with the sports teams (named for the Iowa State team name)
-Status: Deceased

Physical: Teenaged girl, much like ILLIAC-senpai in dress, dark red hair with some streaks of silver, golden eyed (school colors), usually has a mug in her hand
Quote: "Don't worry, sheep can handle it."

MISTIC (Michigan State Integral Computer)-sama
-Mythical first mainframe at Michigan State, worshipped by its computer department
-Clone/sister(???) of ILLIAC & Cyclone (based on ILLIAC archetecture, designer came from Iowa State)
-Got along well with ILLIAC, but was two sedate and high class for Cyclone
-Obsessed with her teaching job
-Generally considered benevolant, provided assistance to all the school departments
-Status: Deceased

Physical: Oft depicted as a woman with shoulder length blond hair and golden eyes in an ornate green and white dress, unknown how accurate this is since ILLIAC-senpai isn't talking.....
Quote: "I have more then enough time for all of you."

WEIZAC-san
-Israeli IAS computer, and the first computer in Israel
-Speaks Hebrew and English
-A favorite of "the creator"
-Congenial and helpfull, to the point where she has little free time (high demand for usage)
-Very fond of the sea (used for a lot of oceanographic work)
-Walks with a limp (Was an early oppertunity for engineers who survived the Halocaust)
-One of the most popular IAS children, she's pretty much universally liked

Physical: Third tallest IAS, Auburn hair kept tied back, brown eyes, prefers sun dresses because of the climate, always carries a notebook and pen

SILLIAC (Sydney version of the Illinois Automatic Computer)-san
-Australian IAS, second computer in the Southern Hemisphere
-Speaks with an Australian accent and cntemporary slang
-Good humored and easily excited
-Likes to taunt CSIR Mk. I, the first (and slower) computer at the U of Sydney
-Clone/Sister of ILLIAC (???)
-Good friends with AVIDAC and ORACLE, all three are heavily involved in theoretical physics
-Healthier then most of her family (made more reliable with better relays)
-Easily the most physical of the IAS family, after GEORGE-kun
-Status: Deceased

Physical: very tan, brown hair and eyes, prefers pants, a plain blouse, and a lab coat for everyday wear, physically fit, average height

SMIL (Siffermaskinen i Lund "The Digit Machine in Lund")-san
-Eldest daughter of BESK-san
-Suffers from rather severe boughts of paranoia (was the computer for the Swedish nuclear program)
-Despite that, has inherited her mother's good cheer
-Still does demonstrations at her Alma Mater, the University of Lund, but on the whole acts rather lazy
-Arguably the most successful of her family
-Good friend of ILLIAC-senpai
-Avid hockey player
-Status: Alive (http://www.smilemu.org/?2f21da00)

Physical: Girl in her twenties, blond hair, average build, blond hair and golden eyes (mix of IAS and BESK plans), usually wears a Lund sweatshirt and jeans or a hockey jersey, has a locket with pictures of her mother and sister in it

MUSASINO-1-san
-Daughter/clone/sister(???) of ILLIAC-senpai
-Rarely seen
-Speaks only Japanese
-Considered 'Right strange' by SILLIAC-san
-Status: Deceased

Physical: Short, medium length black hair, usually wore a kimono, "strange" eyes
Quote: "私は助ã'になã,ŠãŸã,,"

SARA-chan
-Daughter of BESK-san
-Intended to replace her at SAAB
-Generally calm and quiet, hard working if seldom used
-Liked to play games with BESK in her ample free time
-Is the founding mother of DataSAAB
-Died young

Physical: Small girl, perhaps 10 or so, blond hair and blue eyes, typically dressed in traditional Swedish attire, often accompanied by her own stuffed SAAB lion

QuotePhysical: Bit of a stereotypical Swede, tall with long wavy blond, blue eyes, very fit, wears a crown (Swedish government symbol), carries a knitting bag with her including a stuffed lion (SAAB symbol)
Quote: "Det kommer inte regna idag!"

Lol wat -w-;

Quote-Fond of drinking, very good at holding her liquor (rumor has it they acronym was made to suit a type of local booze after they were denied CONIAC)

I sure haven't heard of any booze called Besk, but it could be some of that homebrewn stuff the uni students used to make, who knows. -w-;
By the way, "besk" means bitter...which sure could be said of most distilled brews .w.

Okay, the American stereotype of Swedes ^^; Sorry Nej.  If that translation doesn't make sense I just used Google, so my bad >>.

Right, screwed up my writing there, it should say bitter and not booze.

Quote from: "Wikipedia""Besk" is Swedish for the taste "bitter". It is also the name of a traditional bitter made from distilled alcohol seasoned with the herb Artemisia absinthium L. local to the province of Skåne, in which Lund is located. Reportedly this was an intentional and unnoticed pun after officials denied usage of the name CONIAC (Conny [Palm] Integrator And Calculator, compare Cognac) for the BARK machine.

Donmai, donmai. -w-; The crown was a bit eh though, but otherwise she's good...
The translation is ok, btw...but don't hesitate to rely on your overlord for things like this, it's what I'm here for >:3

I died a little when I saw that wall of text. ;-;

I... I don't know what to say... this is amazing, really, I read each of the profiles and I really like what you've come up with!

But let me digress for a moment:

@ RW-300-tan/RSX-tan: yeah, I suppose RW 300-tan would've been absentminded enough to not notice that she had a daughter. How RSX-tan ended up in DEC's hands is another story, though (one I certainly don't know).

@ OS^3-tan: Ah, good call on her obsession with punctuality and monetary issues.

@ ILLIAC-sama: lol, I can just imagine ILLIAC-sama and Linux-tan chillaxin' together. Slackerish, interested in physics, a career student? She seems like a woman after my own heart. <3

@ IAS-sama: what with her poor sense of time, I suppose she and OS-8-tan would get along.

Hurrah for poor timekeeping and piromania~!

@ MAIAC-tan: *She's a maniac, a maniac, on the danceflo--* ahem, I mean, the world seriously needs more insane mathematician nuclear bomb engineers. Seriously.

@ AVIDAC and GEORGE-kun: Oooh! Ooh! Physicists! And pale and thin and darkhairish. I like...

@ ORACLE-tan: with a name like that, you don't suppose she might be a little on the prognostic side...? Something greatly amuses me about this one, must be her accent + love of relaxation. ^___^

@ BESK-tan: knitting and drinking, lol.

@ BESM-tan: In Soviet Russia, COMPUTER USE YOU!

@ CYCLONE-tan: Computers... from IOWA? Does she come in a cowprint box too? (old Gateway reference)

@ MISTIC-tan: She sounds pretty. *.*

@ WEIZAC-tan: Wow, this is the first Israeli OS/Hardware-tan I've seen. I like her love of the ocean... ^^

@ SMIL-tan: Paranoia? Another woman after my own heart!

I tried out the SMIL emulator! Oh the lulz... it took me, like, 30 minutes to get 'er to run the sine wave program. Pretty damn cool when I got it to work, though!

OMG! There's actually a computer system from my home state of Iowa! I'm surprised too!

Quote from: "NejinOniwa"The translation is ok, btw...but don't hesitate to rely on your overlord for things like this, it's what I'm here for >:3

I shall remember that the next time!

   

Quote from: "Bella"I died a little when I saw that wall of text. ;-;

It just sort of happened, one second I was typing and the next there was a giant post ^^'

@ RW-300-tan/RSX-tan: *shrug* Guess its a mystery then

@ OS^3-tan: Don't forget, you started it

@ ILLIAC-senpai: After SAGE-sama, ILLIAC was probably the second hardware/OS I wanted to -tan.  They just seemed like natural allies, almost as if the U of I planned it....

@ IAS-sama: Or rather not get anywhere.  Pyromania: The party disorder.

@ MANIAC-tan: It does indeed, poor MANIAC can't sow that much chaos by herself!

@ AVIDAC and GEORGE-kun: The IAS family seemed to specialize in physicists, only natural I suppose

@ ORACLE-tan: You will find a fortune, but it will not be da one you seek  She's a sweetheart.

@ BESK-tan: Take a shot every time you miss a stitch!

@ BESM-tan: True

@ CYCLONE-tan: Yes, I got it ><

@SMIL-tan: Its fun! Now I want to make it do something else....

Quote from: "Aurora"OMG! There's actually a computer system from my home state of Iowa! I'm surprised too!

Hooray! Although I am a University of Iowa fan myself >>

How about another one?

SABRE (Semi-Automated Business Research Environment)-tan
-Dedicated businesswoman, worked her way up to the top (booking system, now has a dedicated company)
-First activated in 1960, has stayed modern
-Fiercely loyal to American Airlines
-Known as a ruthless competitor, not terribly endearing in the business world to others (American Airlines manipulated the system to make sure they got preference)
-Doesn't get along with any British based -tans
-For that matter she hardly gets along with any other -tans, extremely demanding
-SAGE's other, and only living, daughter.  Has expressed curiosity as to her mother's whereabouts.
-Easily excited, especially by aircraft
-Has a phenomanal memory for travel related information
-As an extension of all of that, loves to travel and can be found almost anywhere in the world
-Status: Certainly alive

Physical: Average height, light brown hair, usually wears blue and red ribbons no matter what else, could be termed 'stylish' and appropriate, often wears aviator sunglasses

you guys are so awesome at all this. lemme know when pics come about ^^

in soviet russia, computer catalogue your every move for intellegence, even when you pee!!

xD

This thread needs moar alive -tans, or I'll be stuck in chronic sadness ;_;

The bane of dealing with vintage -tans I suppose :(  Though it is close, 22 deceased and eighteen alive.

good for you for keeping track. :3

who knows. just cause they're "dead" per se, doesn't mean we can't still whip up a few ghost-tans. >:3
ghostzilla may have a rival in the spooky department, hmmm?

Your comments about the IAS-tans have been duly noted, Stewart-san; I'm really liking this design for SABRE-tan too. She sounds like an interesting lass (and quite like her mum, too.) ^^

Somehow I see her wearing a pilot's uniform, haha.

@ Nejin and Choco-san: I've never really been bothered all that much by the copious amount of dead old OS-tans-- I guess it's because I view them in a historical perspective in which they're alive and well?

I support the idea of ghostly OS-tans, if only because their memory lives on to this day. ^^

I also like the idea of deceased OS-tans still living as ghosts because it would be a shame for them to be completely dead, especially for those that didn't get to live very long in the first place.

But not too much, she's way too self confident and mental illness free to have spent too much time with her mother.  It always seemed like it would be interesting to see them interact.

"Let me take the controls, just for a second!"  Actually, there's a game on Facebook called Airline Manager that I've gotten addicted too.  I'd let SABRE take the stick on one of my older planes, maybe the DC-3.

Now all I can think of is that scene from Return of the Jedi (the original version).

Yeah, most of my stories feature nice happy (not) historical -tans frolicking through wide open fields....... okay, so I have forced some rather unpleasant situations on them, but it'll get better! I promise! ^^;

I like to think that those short lived OS's have their own way of living on.  That's why I count mostly intact systems and those still emulated as being alive!

I'd like to count all systems still being emulated as being alive, though Apple I-tan is deceased for storyline reasons (despite there being a few Apple I emulators and replicas out there). A shame too since she's one of the shortest-lived OS-tans, but I had to go with that. :(

Glad that SAGE-sama is still alive despite the system being decommissioned in the 1980's, since that has allowed for so much more backstory and characterization. She's also one of the greatest ascended extras of the OS-tan series! Amazing how she went from being a long-dead one-shot character with not much known about her, to a living character with a long and rich backstory! :D

Also glad that GENIAC-tan is still alive, since that allowed for a lot more to be done with her backstory, and much more interesting than if she had died young. I mean, I don't know how many GENIAC systems were sold total, how big its userbase was, or if any survived all these decades. :-/

On the other hand, do you think Honeywell Kitchen Computer-tan would still be alive or not? Or maybe she could be haunting people, forcing them to eat her bad cooking! ;006

Oh no! I said I'd get to drawing more of those proposed OS-tans but haven't gotten to them! Shame on me! :(

Sometimes you just have to make the tough calls when it comes to plot.

Luckily enough people still use SAGE pieces as props and the big dish at Montauk's still there too.  I'm glad people like her so much.

Indeed, GENIAC-chan is who inspired me to make SAGE-sama.  They have survived.  ! I almost bought a complete one on e-bay, and they have the manual online.  Quite a few people on that page talked about that being their first interaction with a "computer".

No idea, I wouldn't think so though.  That's a punishment no one should be subjected to, haha.

Shame on you indeed (j/k)

i love it that GENIAC-chan is still alive and well! ^^ this is a lovely thing. and ghosty-tans are still possible, but in the case of Apple I-tan, maybe we should honor her memory with a "guardian angel" aspect? seems moar, idk, honorable?

St. Apple I-tan will return to lead her children to the promised land.

That's awesome that there are still GENIAC series computers out there! :D

Incidentally, I had in mind Apple I-tan being sort of a guardian angel-type character as well. Although she can't be seen or heard by living OS-tans, she watches over the whole Apple Family and the vintage-tans.

Another of the shortest-lived OS-tan is TSS/360-tan, one of Multics-sama's old arch-rivals. TSS/360-tan was born in the mid-1960's and died in 1971, nearly forgotten and with no (known?) descendants. Sad, isn't it? :(

Puzzles for the puzzle goddess!

I read about TSS/360, she's didn't get her own specific -tan, but she was one of OS/360's several older sisters and was essentially lost to time because of her inability to work with OS/360.  Or at all sometimes.   Not to say she doesn't deserve her own -tan, but I did delay her, BOS/360 and TOS/360.  Really should get on that...

Didn't know that she was one of OS/360-tan's older sisters, but I should have guessed, with the similar names and being made by IBM... Personality-wise, she was rather stuck-up, but that's because she was very shy and unsure of herself. Apparently, she also had some influence on CP/CMS as well.

So she had a major sibling rivalry with OS/360-tan and their other sisters, was the least successful of them, and was deemed better off forgotten? Ouch. :(

Bella made a few drawings of TSS/360-tan:

About old OS-tans: deceased v. living, I think that storyline elements should play a role in the choice. Granted, SAGE may not be a working computer system, but SAGE-tan has value as a living character. We can bend the rules a bit. Likewise, Xenix and Apple I may still live on in emulated forms, but there's not a great deal of value in the characters being alive in this day and age-- they serve more purpose being dead, as blunt as that might sound.

At Apple I-sama's guardian angelness-- that's amazing! I always envisioned her as a sort of guardian figure for her descendants too. ^^

As for TSS/360-tan: TSS/360 is separate enough from the other IBM-tans to warrant a separate design. Aurora-sama brought up this point before, but to expand a bit:
-TSS/360 was IBM's stab at making a "Multics-scale" system. Not that it was Multics-like per se, but they wanted it to be competition
-TSS/360 suffered from performance problems (Second System Syndrome perhaps?) and became a money pit for IBM
-Much to the chagrin of its small userbase, IBM pulled the plug on the project; TSS/360 support lasted for a short time before the system was finally allowed to die.

I don't know if TSS/360-tan was stuck up as much as... shy. And very, very sickly too. I don't know if she and Multics-sama would have ever done battle....

Yay! Apple I-tan lives on in a way! I hope Xenix-tan does too. It's a shame how she was treated in her final days, and barely remembered after her death, with the later generation Windows-tans having never learned of her existence. :(

Sadly, I think you're right about Apple I-tan. Her death was a major factor in Lisa-tan's depression, Apple II-tan's Promotion To Parent, and the major cause of Apple III-tan going crazy!

Thanks for clarifying TSS/360-tan's technical details! Relating to her backstory, do you think she didn't get along with her sisters, nor contribute a lot to the family due to an inferiority complex? But did she at least confront Multics-sama before?

Any possibility of Macintosh System 3.4-tan still being alive? The most obscure Mac OS version ever, with an extremely limited release, and probably does not have any users at all, yet I had in mind her still being alive as a cheerful, hot-blooded stunt performer living mainly through her sheer willpower to live, having cheated death many times... but is aware that she's living on borrowed time.

it IS sad that 360 has pretty much no one to mourn her death. maybe her rival feels a LITTLE sad at this.

^^ the st. apple thing made me lawl. i like it. ^^

and i like the 3.4 concept. ^^ carnie-tan!!! xD

Quote from: "Aurora"Didn't know that she was one of OS/360-tan's older sisters, but I should have guessed, with the similar names and being made by IBM... Personality-wise, she was rather stuck-up, but that's because she was very shy and unsure of herself. Apparently, she also had some influence on CP/CMS as well.

They were all produced for the System/360 series of mainframes so I lumped them together as sisters, with OS/360 and DOS/360 as the youngest and most succesfull.  The IBM-tans tend to be a complex lot, since they never really do away with a successful system, just build on to it.

Quote from: "Bella"About old OS-tans: deceased v. living, I think that storyline elements should play a role in the choice. Granted, SAGE may not be a working computer system, but SAGE-tan has value as a living character. We can bend the rules a bit. Likewise, Xenix and Apple I may still live on in emulated forms, but there's not a great deal of value in the characters being alive in this day and age-- they serve more purpose being dead, as blunt as that might sound.

Its true, with OS-tans story matters really are fairly important.  To tell the truth, whichever OS's that I have as currently alive that their status is iffy, its a pretty good indication I'll be writing a modern day story about them.

Quote from: "Bella"As for TSS/360-tan: TSS/360 is separate enough from the other IBM-tans to warrant a separate design. Aurora-sama brought up this point before, but to expand a bit:
-TSS/360 was IBM's stab at making a "Multics-scale" system. Not that it was Multics-like per se, but they wanted it to be competition
-TSS/360 suffered from performance problems (Second System Syndrome perhaps?) and became a money pit for IBM
-Much to the chagrin of its small userbase, IBM pulled the plug on the project; TSS/360 support lasted for a short time before the system was finally allowed to die.

It was never my intention to imply she wasn't a distinct system or didn't deserve her own OS-tan.  I compiled some notes when I was researching the other IBM-tans, but somehow she BOS/360, TOS/360, TSS/360, and VM/CMS.  Has VM/CMS already been done?  *sigh* Poor TSS/360, she did get hit pretty hard with S.S.S., IBM never seemed to be able to follow a development schedule.  Looking at TSS-tan is like looking at how Multics could have ended up.


So, after delaying far too much, here are the rest of the Systems/360s.

BOS/360-tan:
-First OS for the 360
-Sister to BOS/360
-A bit awkward with her family, has an obsession with punch cards
-Tends to be fatalistic (built with the understanding it would be replaced as soon as possible with DOS/360)
-Mentor to DOS/360, not really fond of OS/360 but tolerates her
-Judged unfit for active duty, instead primarily worked in operations
-Is nevertheless proud of being an IBM
-Status: Deceased

Physical: Thin, black-grey hair, usually seen wearing a coat, not very tall at all, grey eyes,

TOS/360:
-One of the last tape driven OSs
-Sister to BOS/360
-Unfortunately self destructive, hates everyone and everything else with a passion except OS/360, for some reason
-Loves magnetic tape, wraps things in it
-Comes across as sort of a zealot
-Used as somewhat of a berserker in battle with enemies of IBM, tape driven weapons.
-Also quickly replaced by OS/360
-Status: Deceased

Physical: Average height, ruffled black hair, often drapped in strands of magnetic tape, generally poorly dressed, grey eyes

TSS/360, /370
-One of the second generation System/360 sisters
-Doesn't get along with OS/360, but still follows her orders
-Treats DOS/360 like a little kid
-Has a superb memory
-The most inventive, but most fragile of the 2nd Gen sisters
-Experimented in open sorcery (customers had full access to code development tools)
--Can manifest 'virtual' familiars for battle
-Supposed to be the IBM-tan to do battle with Multics, OS/360 could never bring herself to order her to
-Not the orator of the group
-Spends most of her time experimenting
-Schedules her day closely, and follows it

Physical: See drawings

DOS/360
-One of the second generation System/360 sisters, the other living one
-Generally treated as an equal by OS/360-tan, her right hand
-Gifted speaker, commands the loyalty of terminals
-Has a devoted following as a result (DOS/360 was supposed to be replaced by OS/360, but many were unwilling to change)
-Occasionally referred to as GECOS's mother, for some reason (Hacker's Jargon File states GECOS was a copy of DOS/360, which isn't true)
-Easy going, very steadfast and trustworthy
-Hard of hearing, has to be told things over and over (lacked a loader, )
-Capable of moving extremely fast to a specific target (BDAM was a seldom used feature which used the specific physical location to retrieve data cheaper)
-Served as a scout to the IBM forces
-While on assignment, formed the DOSSE
-Handwriting almost indecipherable (JCL was hard for programmers to use)

Maybe VM/CMS soon?

What do you think Bella & Aurora, about TSS-tan. I had never heard of 3.4 O_O.

{In retrospect, all of that seems kind of rambling and unclear}

No, there isn't a VM/CMS-tan yet. I've never even heard of that system! ^^;
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Macintosh System 3.4's existence is tenuous at best, but mentioned on the Mac OS history article on Wikipedia, and a well-known vintage Mac website.  
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Mac_OS
http://homepage.mac.com/chinesemac/earlymacs/

What makes it so strange, and why 3.4-tan is a separate character from Macintosh System 3-tan is because they use different Finder versions. System 3.0-3.3 uses Finder 5.x, while System 3.4 uses Finder 6.1... which is the same Finder version as Macintosh System 6! WTF?! So yeah... 3.4-tan is allegedly System 6-tan's twin sister! o_o

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Is it me, or has this thread gotten more generalized, straying far from just IBM-tans? Anyways, good timing in posting your concepts for the other System/360-tans.

It's sad that BOS/360 knew of her fate right away, and has a mindset that reflects that, but seems to be able to take things in stride, still being proud to be an IBM-tan. If she's unfit for active duty, surely she could still be a good tactician?

Whoa! TOS/360-tan has gotta be THE MOST bitter, spiteful and misanthropic OS-tan out there! I wonder how OS/360-tan felt about the dubious honor of NOT being despised by her!

IIRC, C-Chan had a concept for DOS/360-tan, and I think it works with your concept. In her backstory, she also managed to get the DOS-tans together and established the DOSSE for them, even though those weren't part of her orders! :)

It exists today as z/VM.

Fascinating, I may have to ask my brother about this (he's the mac fan in the family, and knows some bizarre things).

Sort of like how some people are able to accept a terminal disease.  Its also the reason she was kept out of front line service, because she may have just lost it (in a suicidal manner).  Yep, she taught OS/360 all she needed to know about whats involved in the planning side of a war.

TOS/360-tan just seemed like the most bitter, since she was essentially designed to be obsolete.  I'd categorize it as strangely pleased ^^;.

><, serioiusly I need to pay attention to this sort of thing.  Actually, it could have been within sorta within the scope of her mission.  Sort of like how the OSS and CIA often recruited or trained the local populaces to extend the war.  No doubt considering her empathy, she'd have set the DOSSE up in a more secure, non-combat, manner.

Got another series of sketches up, this one debuting NOS-tan!

^^ arts yes. ^^

Hooray NOS!  Great fight scene.

I didn't realize how tall Cray-1-tan was....

QuoteLooking at TSS-tan is like looking at how Multics could have ended up.

You're right-- Multics skirted cancelation so many times, it's chilling. (Apparently, the entire project was saved by a single guy. He was able to convince the rest of the team to save it...)

I'm sorry I can't say much about the System/360-tans... I never did research the /360 line (except for TSS/360) so I probably wouldn't have much to bring to the table anyway. Your ideas for TSS/360-tan sound about right too, though I never envisioned her as being quite so aggressive or adventurous.

I will comment on DOS/360-tan, since that's the only system here I'm even vaguely familiar with. I really like your ideas for her, everything sounds about right. And that's an interesting point on the GECOS-tan/DOS/360-tan connection! Hmmm, maybe GECOS-tan would consider DOS/360-tan to be her mother? (sorta like VOS-tan and Multics-sama)?

Lovely sketches Aurora-sama! I really like your design for NOS-tan. It's hard to believe she's a maniac from her elegant way of dressing, though. ^^'

I know, the Multician website had a fascinating section on it.

Did I make her sound adventurous or aggressive!? Oh darn it, that wasn't my intention.  I guess she sounds a lot tougher then I'd intended, trust me, she isn't ^^'  What should I change?

Oh my, haha, that would be an interesting dynamic.  Especially given OS/360's virulent hatred of all non-IBM OS's for System/360 and the fact that GECOS "...was more ambitious than DOS/360", maybe DOS/360-tan's a little jealous....

Appearances are deceiving >>

Look! Another actual IBM-tan!  Sort of wrote herself, what do you think?

VM/CMS-tan:
-Daughter/younger sister/(???) of CP/CMS-tan, (???) of CP/M-tan
-An outgoing and exceedingly pleasant woman
-Polite and accommodating to other OS-tans (Could run mainstream OS's in VM mode with exceptionally liberal privileges)
-Often wears herself out with her work
-Has some abilities similar to TSS/360-tan in that she can manifest virtual familiars for battle, usually just uses them to serve tea
-Usually serves as a direct assistant to IBM -tans and others
-Close companion of IBM AIX-tan
-Quite competent at her job
-Has some self esteem issues ("At one time, CMS was capable of running on a bare machine, as a true operating system (though of course nobody would do this)") leading to her dedication to serving others
-Would typically use very polite speech
-Status: Alive

Physical: Thin, green eyes, black hair, almost always smiling (can be creepy), wears an apron over casual clothes, sometimes a full maid uniform, always carries a teddy bear

Quote from: Bella

QuoteHmmm, maybe GECOS-tan would consider DOS/360-tan to be her mother? (sorta like VOS-tan and Multics-sama)?

hrm, isn't unix involved in this as well? i'd love to see a grandmother-mother-child drawing. ^^

She is somehow, but I'm not sure how.  Bella knows GECOS better then me  ^^'

Quote from: Chocofreak13

Quote from: "Bella"

QuoteHmmm, maybe GECOS-tan would consider DOS/360-tan to be her mother? (sorta like VOS-tan and Multics-sama)?

hrm, isn't unix involved in this as well? i'd love to see a grandmother-mother-child drawing. ^^

Unix-sama and GECOS-tan aren't related by blood, but GECOS-tan was present at Unix-sama's creation/birth and later went on to be her mentor. (Unix was built using GECOS until it became self-supporting, and GECOS lent Unix some small features... well, it's really only the GECOS Field....)

VM/CMS-tan sounds pretty interesting, I might have to draw her~!

Not to worry Stewart-san, you don't have to fix anything in TSS/360-tan's profile. Hmm, I suppose DOS/360-tan would have a certain about of disdain for GECOS-tan....

Hoorey for new Massachusetts Minicomputer-tans~!



(Plz fave + comment if you can) (http://bellacielo.deviantart.com/art/OS-tan-Concepts-pt-I-154856725)

From my DeviantArt description:
Today we have four Data General-tans and a DEC text editor-kun.
A little bit of info:
-Data General was a company founded 1968 by a group of disgruntled ex-DEC employees
-Based in central Massachusetts
-Known for their Nova, Supernova and Eclipse computers
-Also known for a very aggressive marketing campaign; the company and its leaders were involved in a number of lawsuits (including one for attempted arson, but that's another story...)
-Plagued by setbacks and product postponements in the 1970s, but made a powerful comeback in the 80s
-Defunct as of 1999

Now for some info on the OS-tan characters themselves (L-to-R):
-RDOS-tan, aka DOS-tan: (R)DOS is a realtime multitasking OS released in 1972. I envisioned RDOS-tan would look and behave similar to an older DOS (as in, MSDOS)-tan, a shallow pun on her name. She's rather shy but passive-agressive and somewhat upset by being "displaced" by her younger sister.
Staus: Alive (RDOS is preserved in a SIMH emulator)

-Expensive Typewriter-kun. Expensive Typewriter is the text editor for the PDP-1. I imagine Expensive Typewriter-kun is a very well-dressed young gentleman, tall and lanky and always carrying an fancy-looking typewriter (what else?). A brotherly figure to PDP-1/THOR-tan.

-AOS (aka, AOS/VS, aka AOS/VS II)-tan. AOS is an OS that runs on the Eclipse minicomputer line. First released in the 1980s, AOS was noted for being wildly more advanced than the competing PDP-11 OSes (it's also said that, to the untrained eye, AOS and VMS might look rather similar at first glance[?!]). In light of this, I see AOS-tan as an intelligent and powerful fighter, specializing in sorcery of some sort (see this ad (http://www.simulogics.com/nostalgia/DG/ads/oasos.jpg)), probably powerful enough to take on a DEC-tan single-handedly. That is, if she shows up in time for the fight (Eclipse computer was plagued by setbacks). Psychologically-speaking, she's sort of like an absentminded VMS-sama.
Status: alive (DG computers running the different AOS variants are still in use)
(Note: Yes, her top is a backwards suit. Don't blame me, Olympic Ice Dancing gave me the idea!)

-DG/UX-tan. DG/UX is a Unix System V variant that runs on the Eclipse and Aviion lines, praised for multiprocessor support and a rich set of features but notorious for sparse updates. DG/UX-tan was one of the most powerful Unix-tans of her time; she did not participate in the Unix Wars (and rather abhorred them) because she held loyalties to several different Unix factions (and was closest with Unix-sama, BSD-tan and Solaris-tan). Despite this, she's the beleaguered Unix-tan of the group.

It's CEO-kun! Comprehensive Electronic Office was DG's native office/email suite, implemented on AOS. Despite his lofty title, CEO-kun acts more as a secretary than a boss-- he's usually hard at work in his office, buried under tons of papers and performing clerical duties for the DG OS-tans.

the first thing i saw was "expensive typerwriter-kun, and i was like, wtf, that's a computer? .____.;

Sorry, this is a bit random, but:

Quote from: "Chocofreak13"the first thing i saw was "expensive typerwriter-kun, and i was like, wtf, that's a computer? .____.;

Haha! No, just a cleverly-named text editor. ^^'

Quote from: "stewartsage"Sorry, this is a bit random, but:

Uwah?! Did we coin a phrase?!

Any thoughts on the DG-tans, pplz? ;.;

The Data General-tans sound like an interesting bunch. Founded by defectors from the DEC, so they must be a powerful bunch if they've taken on the likes of VMS-sama!

RDOS-tan looks so cute, looking much like an older, wiser, tomboyish MSDOS-tan, or a mild-mannered PCDOS-tan!

Expensive Typewriter-kun (*chuckle* there's just something funny about that) looks dressed for success and I like his cheerfulness.

Despite her suit being on backwards, AOS-tan looks very elegant... and explains part of her absentmindedness!

DG/UX-tan looks professional, classy, yet down-to-earth. She's also one of the few Unix-tans that managed to stay out of the Unix Wars altogether (the only other one I can think of is A/UX-tan, and that's because she was completely indifferent). That she is/was close to Unix-sama in the 90's is impressive!

Poor CEO-kun! I know quite a few people who could easily empathize with him!

Sorry ;__;

How did I miss Data General!? Good work on picking them up.

-RDOS does looks ready to take care of business, can't forget the armband.

-Expensive Typewriter-kun had me doing the same thing for a moment.  On the Editor Scale of Rougishness, with 1 being QED-kun and 10 being Emacs-kun, where is he?

-The backwards coat works.  Late for battle huh?  Absent minded VMS sounds like an exceedingly dangerous concept....

-Poor DG/UX, caught like West Virginia in the Civil War.

-On this page, CEO-kun is probably my straight up favorite design. Graph+untucked shirt+undone tie=BUSY!!1!

Here's one more OS.

AMSDOS (Amstrad Disc Operating System)-tan:
-Fast, likes to jog (noted as being faster then contemporaries)
-Enjoys sorting and labeling things
-Very competitive, especially with her contemporaries
-Will juggle cassettes and floppies to show off (her main job was to map cassette tape programs to work with disk drives)
-Friend of CP/M-tan
-Often found playing games of skill against Roland (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amstrad_CPC#Roland)
-Status: (?)

Physical: Young girl in jogging clothes with a portable cassette player and headphones, spikey blond hair with black highlights, bright blue eyes.

Has ACORN MOS been done?

Maybe some IBM related information? (http://cptlfrghtr.deviantart.com/art/Document-Release-Redacted-155021256)

i like AOS's absentmindedness. it's cute. ^^

and.....ice dancing...?

Quote from: "Aurora Borealis"The Data General-tans sound like an interesting bunch. Founded by defectors from the DEC, so they must be a powerful bunch if they've taken on the likes of VMS-sama!

RDOS-tan looks so cute, looking much like an older, wiser, tomboyish MSDOS-tan, or a mild-mannered PCDOS-tan!

Expensive Typewriter-kun (*chuckle* there's just something funny about that) looks dressed for success and I like his cheerfulness.

Despite her suit being on backwards, AOS-tan looks very elegant... and explains part of her absentmindedness!

DG/UX-tan looks professional, classy, yet down-to-earth. She's also one of the few Unix-tans that managed to stay out of the Unix Wars altogether (the only other one I can think of is A/UX-tan, and that's because she was completely indifferent). That she is/was close to Unix-sama in the 90's is impressive!

Poor CEO-kun! I know quite a few people who could easily empathize with him!

Quote from: "stewartsage"Sorry ;__;

How did I miss Data General!? Good work on picking them up.

-RDOS does looks ready to take care of business, can't forget the armband.

-Expensive Typewriter-kun had me doing the same thing for a moment. On the Editor Scale of Rougishness, with 1 being QED-kun and 10 being Emacs-kun, where is he?

-The backwards coat works. Late for battle huh? Absent minded VMS sounds like an exceedingly dangerous concept....

-Poor DG/UX, caught like West Virginia in the Civil War.

-On this page, CEO-kun is probably my straight up favorite design. Graph+untucked shirt+undone tie=BUSY!!1!

The DG faction would've been powerful and masterful propagandists, yes, but also rather disorganized in reality and more prone to melee-style fighting tactics than the very tight-knit and methodical DEC-tans.

No worries! I don't know how I missed Data General either, I had never heard of them until I began doing some random article perusing on Wikipedia.  

I wanted RDOS-tan to look similar to an older DOS-tan, and a bit like RT11-tan too (because she's quite equivalent to her in age and personality). She's not as powerful as the others, but she could probably hold her own in a fight.

Expensive Typewriter-kun is well named, since, well, a PDP-1 did make an expensive word-processing machine. ^^' Glad you like him, though.

On the Edtior-kun Scale of Rougishness, I'd give him a 3 or 4 maybe. Probably a flirt, but definitely not a lady's man. xD

Haha, I hadn't even thought of the backwards coat tying into AOS-tan's absentmindedness... I just wanted there to be something different about her.

I can see AU/X-tan and DG-UX-tan as getting along rather well because of their non-participation in the Unix Wars! I don't know if she's personally "close" with Unix-sama, but probably on good enough terms to drop by and visit every once and awhile.

DG-UX-tan... the WV of OS-tans?!

Glad you guys like CEO-kun! There's plenty of comedic potential with him, I think, since he has to look after such a crazy lot of OS-tans.

Quote from: "Chocofreak13"i like AOS's absentmindedness. it's cute. ^^

and.....ice dancing...?

Thank you. ^^

Believe it or not, there was a woman wearing a backwards men's suit as a top in the ice dancing competition. xD

Quote from: "stewartsage"AMSDOS (Amstrad Disc Operating System)-tan:
-Fast, likes to jog (noted as being faster then contemporaries)
-Enjoys sorting and labeling things
-Very competitive, especially with her contemporaries
-Will juggle cassettes and floppies to show off (her main job was to map cassette tape programs to work with disk drives)
-Friend of CP/M-tan
-Often found playing games of skill against Roland
-Status: (?)

Physical: Young girl in jogging clothes with a portable cassette player and headphones, spikey blond hair with black highlights, bright blue eyes.

Has ACORN MOS been done?

Ah, sounds like an interesting design! I wonder if she'd be an honourary DOS-tan? ^^

I... don't think... an MOS-tan has been done. I could be wrong though.

One last announcement: I'm working on creating an ENIAC +EDVAC-tan. Anyone who wants to throw in personality ideas is free to do so, but right now I'm seeing ENIAC-sama as an amnesiac-type, a little sickly but with a hard work ethic; and EDVAC-tan as her daughter, somewhat healthier and with a much better memory. Physically speaking, ENIAC and EDVAC-tan will wear a sort of very stylized 1940s women's Army uniforms crossed with Renaissance-style fashion.

Quote from: "Bella"
The DG faction would've been powerful and masterful propagandists, yes, but also rather disorganized in reality and more prone to melee-style fighting tactics than the very tight-knit and methodical DEC-tans.

What kind of special abilities do the DG-tans have? Didn't know the DEC-tans were tight-knit- I thought there'd be a lot of rivalry in the DEC ranks. Or maybe they're so organized because they can temporarily put their differences aside! ^^;

BTW, what faction are each of the DG-tans in now? RDOS-tan was the only one of them originally listed, and as an Independent OS-tan. Agree?

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No worries! I don't know how I missed Data General either, I had never heard of them until I began doing some random article perusing on Wikipedia.  

I knew about them because of the original Annex Project thread (RDOS was listed in it), but didn't know how the DG-tans would fit into the storyline. Glad the DG-tans were finally introduced after being overlooked by us for so long!

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I wanted RDOS-tan to look similar to an older DOS-tan, and a bit like RT11-tan too (because she's quite equivalent to her in age and personality). She's not as powerful as the others, but she could probably hold her own in a fight.

I see her resemblance to RT11-tan too!

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Expensive Typewriter-kun is well named, since, well, a PDP-1 did make an expensive word-processing machine. ^^' Glad you like him, though.

What were word processors like back then? So many of them for powerful computers before they became commonplace.  ;026

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Haha, I hadn't even thought of the backwards coat tying into AOS-tan's absentmindedness... I just wanted there to be something different about her.

It's a coincidence that works nicely! :)

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I can see AU/X-tan and DG-UX-tan as getting along rather well because of their non-participation in the Unix Wars! I don't know if she's personally "close" with Unix-sama, but probably on good enough terms to drop by and visit every once and awhile.

If that's so, then DG-UX-tan would be one of the most level-headed, closest-to-normal people A/UX-tan is friends with! :P

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Glad you guys like CEO-kun! There's plenty of comedic potential with him, I think, since he has to look after such a crazy lot of OS-tans.

I can imagine his daily office life being like something out of "Office Space"!  

Quote from: "stewartsage"AMSDOS (Amstrad Disc Operating System)-tan:
-Fast, likes to jog (noted as being faster then contemporaries)
-Enjoys sorting and labeling things
-Very competitive, especially with her contemporaries
-Will juggle cassettes and floppies to show off (her main job was to map cassette tape programs to work with disk drives)
-Friend of CP/M-tan
-Often found playing games of skill against Roland
-Status: (?)

Physical: Young girl in jogging clothes with a portable cassette player and headphones, spikey blond hair with black highlights, bright blue eyes.

I'll draw her! But should there also be an Amstrad CPC-tan, or can this Amstrad-tan represent both the hardware and OS? And I'm sure she'd still be alive today.

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Has ACORN MOS been done?

Not exactly, but C-Chan did type up a preconcept for her:

QuoteAppearance-wise, she's a very old consumer-level computer, so she's still a girl-type. For a frame of reference, I was aiming for something akin to a dark-haired, cheerier-looking Henrietta (from Gunslinger Girl), with white, black and red as her predominant fashion colors. As the elder sister of RISC OS-tan, her hair is a shorter version of RISC-tan's, and her eyes are also a darker shade of green. On her dress is an embroidery of her coat-of-arms, which she displays proudly and prominently.

She's mild-mannered, pleasant and quiet, speaking in a thicker, more old-fashioned British accent than RISC-tan. She's also a fastidious dresser and groomer, more so since she's the producer/anchor of her own local news show, and so does everything possible to look and act professional (despite the poor viewership,... all 10 of them).

And of course, she's an ardent supporter of the British Broadcasting Corporation,... even if she does hesitantly-agree that it's been losing its way as of late.

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One last announcement: I'm working on creating an ENIAC +EDVAC-tan. Anyone who wants to throw in personality ideas is free to do so, but right now I'm seeing ENIAC-sama as an amnesiac-type, a little sickly but with a hard work ethic; and EDVAC-tan as her daughter, somewhat healthier and with a much better memory. Physically speaking, ENIAC and EDVAC-tan will wear a sort of very stylized 1940s women's Army uniforms crossed with Renaissance-style fashion.

Can't think of anything to add at the moment, but that sounds like a daring combination of fashions! Go for it! :D

Quote from: "Bella"
The DG faction would've been powerful and masterful propagandists, yes, but also rather disorganized in reality and more prone to melee-style fighting tactics than the very tight-knit and methodical DEC-tans.

Ah, sounds like an interesting design! I wonder if she'd be an honourary DOS-tan? ^^

I... don't think... an MOS-tan has been done. I could be wrong though.

One last announcement: I'm working on creating an ENIAC +EDVAC-tan. Anyone who wants to throw in personality ideas is free to do so, but right now I'm seeing ENIAC-sama as an amnesiac-type, a little sickly but with a hard work ethic; and EDVAC-tan as her daughter, somewhat healthier and with a much better memory. Physically speaking, ENIAC and EDVAC-tan will wear a sort of very stylized 1940s women's Army uniforms crossed with Renaissance-style fashion.

Must banish image of DEC's in Napoleonic War uniform's ><.  At least they've finally come to light. Must stop imagining RDOS-san standing on a box shouting slogan to the bourgeois masses outside an MTA station ><.

I'm sure she'd at least get along with them.  In a bickering manner of course.

Remember, in the future we'll all use Micros!

Hooray! Perhaps a bit of a Greek mythological scheme for ENIAC-sama? The insignia of the WAC was Athena's head and it seems to me that maybe that'd work somehow? Note: ORDVAC didn't get along with EDVAC at all (to the story outline, away!)

Quote from: "Aurora"I'll draw her! But should there also be an Amstrad CPC-tan, or can this Amstrad-tan represent both the hardware and OS? And I'm sure she'd still be alive today.

Not exactly, but C-Chan did type up a preconcept for her:

I think she'd cover both, it gets kinda hazy though.  I was close to simply call her Amstrad-tan, but there were sort of others and she ended up being AMSDOS-tan ^^'. Yep, definitely alive, didn't take long to find one for sale.  Too bad it was pick up only in the UK ><.

Ah ha.  See above.

Quote from: "Aurora-sama"What kind of special abilities do the DG-tans have? Didn't know the DEC-tans were tight-knit- I thought there'd be a lot of rivalry in the DEC ranks. Or maybe they're so organized because they can temporarily put their differences aside! ^^;  

I'm not entirely sure, but I think that some sort of radiation/light manipulation would be a good fit for the DG-tans (as a reference to the names of the most famous DG computers-- Nova, Supernova and Eclipse).

There was a bit of infighting in the DEC ranks, early on between RT11-tan and DOS/BATCH 11-tan, and especially between the Unices and "native" DEC OSes, but in general they got along well and made for a cohesive lot.

I'm glad the DG-tans have finally come to light too. :)

QuoteWhat were word processors like back then? So many of them for powerful computers before they became commonplace.  

Not precisely sure what word processors were like way-back, but I imagine they must not be dissimilar from modern text-based word processors under command-line interfaces... albeit more primitive, of course.

QuoteIf that's so, then DG-UX-tan would be one of the most level-headed, closest-to-normal people A/UX-tan is friends with! :P

Wouldn't be so sure... a certain porcine friend of ours always suggested that ALL Unices would have a "quirk". We just haven't found DGUX-tan's yet. ^^'

Office Space: yet another movie I've always wanted to see but been to lazy to check out. xD

Ah, now I remember reading C-Chan's preconcept. Thanks.

Quote from: "Stewart-san"Must banish image of DEC's in Napoleonic War uniform's ><. At least they've finally come to light. Must stop imagining RDOS-san standing on a box shouting slogan to the bourgeois masses outside an MTA station ><.

It's not a completely bad metaphor... actually, it sorta/kinda works. xD;

Er... speaking of the DEC-tans... they're a "militaristic" faction, but I never *ahem* really took the time to assign any of them ranks. I know all the OS-tans would be officers (with the exception of TSS/8-tan) but... it ends about there.

Doth thou take the challenge? ^^

QuoteHooray! Perhaps a bit of a Greek mythological scheme for ENIAC-sama? The insignia of the WAC was Athena's head and it seems to me that maybe that'd work somehow? Note: ORDVAC didn't get along with EDVAC at all (to the story outline, away!)

Waaah, stop reading my mind! I swear my first thought for ENIAC-sama's design was Greek-looking (didn't know about the Athena insignia, mind you). I tried though, and I can't say it worked out entirely (I might have to try, try again).

The interview mentioned that ORDVAC and EDVAC didn't get along. A bit of professional rivalry, eh?

Quote from: "Bella"Doth thou take the challenge? ^^

Dangerous words, very dangerous.  If there's one thing I enjoy its obsessive military planning details ^^'.  Please help me point out any inaccuracies, my DEC knowledge is somewhat sketchy.

First up, brief service records for the DEC's

TOPS-10
-Colonel: Commander, 1st Regiment 1967-1970
-Brigadier General (*): Officer Commanding, DEC Field Forces 1970-1973
--Major General (**) 1973-1988
--General (****), retroactive

TSS-8
-Major: Executive Officer, 1st Regiment 1968-1970
-Colonel: 1st Regiment, 1970-1973
-Brigadier General (*): 1st Brigade 1973-1975
--Killed in Action, Battle of Bloomington

DOS/BATCH-11
-Colonel: TRADOC 1970-1973
-Colonel: 2nd Regiment 1973-1975
--Missing in Action, presumed dead at Battle of Bloomington

RT 11
-Lieutenant Colonel: XO, 1st Regiment 1970-1973
-Colonel: 1st Regiment 1973-1975
-Brigadier General (*): 1st Brigade 1975-1998

RSTS/E
-Colonel: 2nd Regiment 1970-1973
-Brigadier General (*): 2nd Brigade 1973-1988
-Major General (**): DFF Left Wing 1988-1998

OS/8
-Colonel: 3rd Regiment 1971-1973
-Brigadier General (*): 3rd Brigade 1973-1981

RSX
-Major: Regimental Train 1972-1973
-Major: Adjutant to OCDFF 1973-1977
-Lieutenant Colonel: 1st Brigade Reconissance 1977-1982
-Brigadier General (*): 4th Brigade 1982-1988
-Lieutenant General (***): DEC Field Forces 1988-1998

TOPS-20/Tenex
-Colonel, 5th Regiment, 3rd Brigade 1973-1980
-Brigadier General (*): 3rd Brigade 1981-1983
--Dismissed from service, dishonorably

VMS
-Colonel: 6th Regiment, 3rd Brigade 1977-1983
-Brigadier General: 3rd Brigade 1983
-Brigadier General (*): 5th Brigade 1983-1988
-Major General (**): Right Wing, DFF 1988-1998

Vaxeln
-Captain: Company 'A', 6th Regiment 1977-1979
-Major: 1st Battalion, 6th Regiment 1979-1983
-Colonel: 6th Regiment 1983-1988
--Adjutant to OCDFF Right Wing 1988-1998

Ultrix
-Captain: Company 'D', 5th Regiment 1978-1979
-Major: Staff Intel Officer, 1st Brigade 1979-1986
-Lieutenant Colonel: Staff Intel Officer, 4th Brigade 1986-1988
-Colonel: CGDFF Staff Intel Officer 1988-1998

True64 Unix
-Colonel: 3rd Brigade, 1992-1998


And to prove how much time I have on my hands, a potential table of organization/lineage chart for DEC units?  (If you've got ranks you need someone to command right)

Officer Commanding, DEC Field Forces: 1970-1973
-Brigadier General TOPS-10 (1970-1973)
renamed to
DEC Field Forces High Command: 1973-1998
-Major General TOPS-10 (1973-1988)
-Lieutenant General RSX (1988-1998)

1st Regiment: 1967-1973
-Colonel TOPS-10 (1967-1970)
-Colonel TSS-8 (1970-1973)
Lineage carries over to
1st Brigade: 1973-1998
-Brigadier General TSS-8 (1973-1975)
-Brigadier General RT 11 (1975-1998)

2nd Regiment: 1970-1973
-Colonel RSTS/E (1970-1973)
Lineage carries over to
2nd Brigade: 1973-1998
-Brigadier General RSTS/E 1973-1998

2nd Regiment
-Colonel DOS-11 (1973-1975)

3rd Regiment: 1971-1973
-Colonel OS/8 (1971-1973)
Lineage Carries over to
3rd Brigade: 1973-1983
-Brigadier General OS/8 (1973-1981)
-Brigadier General TOPS-20 (1981-1983)
Formation disbanded: 1983
Formation Reactivated: 1992
3rd (Light) Brigade: 1992-1998
-Colonel True64 Unix (1992-1998)

4th Brigade: 1982-1998
-Brigadier General RSX (1982-1988)

5th Brigade: 1983-1998
-Brigadier General VMS (1983-1988)


Left Wing of the DEC Field Forces: 1988-1998
-Major General RSTS/E (1988-1998)
Units:
-1st Brigade
-2nd Brigade

Right Wing of the DEC Field Forces: 1988-1998
-Major General VMS (1988-1998)
Units:
-4th Brigade
-5th Brigade
-3rd (Light) Brigade

Quote from: "Bella"Waaah, stop reading my mind! I swear my first thought for ENIAC-sama's design was Greek-looking (didn't know about the Athena insignia, mind you). I tried though, and I can't say it worked out entirely (I might have to try, try again).

The interview mentioned that ORDVAC and EDVAC didn't get along. A bit of professional rivalry, eh?

Either one'll turn out well I'm sure :D

Professional that turned personal, it's somewhere down the pipe, once a large fight scene seems to be within my writing grasp.  Well, we know who triumphed in the end.

Annnnd in case the wall of text wasn't large enough, here's a few more OS's for your viewing pleasure:

AN/UYK-3-tan (machine) OR Bunker-Ramo CP-771-tan (OS)
-Communications whizz
-Canadian Navy
-Somewhat cheerful, prefers to be at sea or near the coast
-Very tough, a scrapper (ruggedized for shipboard use)
-Speaks telex fluently
-Prone to falling on her face (heavy front cover)
-Has some type of precious stone on a necklace ("BR-133 was a real jewel")
-Can create a copy of herself to speed up her work
-Doesn't like airplanes, large companies, or geese (Dr. Ramo left Hughes Aircraft in a huff)
-Possible ancestor of RSX-tan
-Can be sneaky  if the occasion calls for it (learned corporate culture)
-May have a shadowy past
-Status: Unknown, presumed deceased

Physical: average height, build hard to gauge, brown hair, green eyes, Usually wears old style RCN uniform with copious bandages or heavy foul weather gear (system bulky), rather flat chested (system had a narrow top), has this (http://i49.tinypic.com/1gg2e0.jpg) tattooed on her neck, Likes bracelets and wristbands (bands used by communication devices), often seen with telex sheets


TSX-Plus-tan
-Sister/fan/??? of RT-11
-Has some identity issues, sometimes mistaken for RT-11-san (somehow)
-Insistent about being a separate person
-Not a full member of the DEC family, a reservist
-Sort of a clerk/typist for hire
-Can be overwhelmed by her work, causing her to panic
-Changes clothes frequently (high configurable)
-Has a Southern accent (company based in Nashville {now the southern-tans show up})
-Officianado of Classic Country (see above)
-Status: Very much alive

Physical: A bit short, average build, bright red hair with grey highlights cut to just bellow the shoulder, will wear about anything, but usually tight fitting (small installation space), brown eyes

The Elektronika Sisters
MK-DOS-chan
CSI-DOS-chan
ANDOS-chan
DX-DOS
DOSB10
Turbo-DOS
-Russian OS for Elektronica microcomputers
-Will eventually get more developement, for now let's say they're a mirror DOSSEE or some such.  Perhaps even a band? RT-11 would be an honorary member.

Quote from: "Stewart-san"Dangerous words, very dangerous. If there's one thing I enjoy its obsessive military planning details ^^'. Please help me point out any inaccuracies, my DEC knowledge is somewhat sketchy.

First up, brief service records for the DEC's

Wow, thank you so much! I had a few thoughts about the possible ranks for the characters during the heyday of the DECs (early 70s-80s), but never really thought of anything before or past then. :\

I always imagined TOPS-10-tan as a general, and that VMS-tan would have been a colonel initially. Seems logical that she would have been promoted to general later on, though (VMS was DEC's most advanced OS). Ditto the lower for DOS/Batch 11-tan (it wasn't a particularly popular system) and Tenex-tan's dishonourable discharge (she never wanted to be a part of their military anyhow...)

I always imagined that TSS-8-tan would have been a conscientious objector, though. xD

Those lineage charts are perfect too. :B
...

ORDVAC-tan triumphed, right...?

Yey, moar OS-tans! And one's a Bunker-Ramo-tan at that! CP-771-tan sounds pretty interesting, especially her love of all things nautical and scrappy, devious personality. AND, bi-location abilities!

With her fluency in Telex, I already know what her theme song (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PXyrCRd1ikw) could be! (Fun Fact: Planet Telex was originally titled Planet Xerox, but the lawyers changed that plan).

TSX-tan! I'm so happy you found a Southen'r OS-tan fine'ly! And one that has ties to DEC, no less.

Lulz at her identity crisis and possible sisterness with RT-11-tan. :B

I've considered making Elektronika-tans before, but never really gave it much thought... I like the idea that they're a band, it would be really different for a change. RT-11-tan would probably be their idol. ^.^

Lol double post. Why can't we delete posts anymore, WHY?! :<

Quote from: "Bella"I always imagined TOPS-10-tan as a general, and that VMS-tan would have been a colonel initially. Seems logical that she would have been promoted to general later on, though (VMS was DEC's most advanced OS). Ditto the lower for DOS/Batch 11-tan (it wasn't a particularly popular system) and Tenex-tan's dishonourable discharge (she never wanted to be a part of their military anyhow...)

The bold and just CINC DEC.  Somehow I imagine this as her theme. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cH6KR_ncxNc) Something appropriately marshal.  Everyone needs to start somewhere.  When I read the wiki article Tenex-tan, it seemed that her troops deserted instead of taking orders from VMS, so the order of battle got changed accordingly.  I felt kind of bad for DOS 11-tan, but in the end she got a death on the glorious field of battle.  Right, glad it makes sense.

TSS-8-tan is probable even more in the dark for me then the rest, so I sorta just stuck her in ^^'.  It seemed to me that at the time she debuted, DEC was small enough to need all hands on the frontline or maybe it was a Nathanael Greene (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nathanael_Greene) scenario?.  As XO for TOPS-10-tan though, she'd have handled mostly administrative duties, and before she could be discharged or transferred to a staff position fate intervened quite rudely(?).

:D

And went on to represent the Ordnance Lab in the 1960 OS Games in Detroit for javelin toss and shot put.

It took some doing, but I finally found a Bunker-Ramo OS, excitement abounded.  She's an interesting system, no doubt and considering BR's shadowy nature she may be alive somewhere today...

Win

Well, if I don't count ORACLE (hardware) or AMDOS (dubious).  Yes!

Glad it works

Something about the name Elektronica combined with reading K-On! at the time inspired it.  RT-11-tan poster time!

i realize it's a bit late, but bella: russian. icedancing. idiots.

oh yea, were edvac and eniac from the 40's? i have a great interest in the 20's-40's period so if you need any period advice i'd be happy to help.

i also have a slight knowledge of 1900's to 1910's. :3

Yep, they both are.  Though EDVAC was in service until 1961 when both it and ORDVAC were replaced by BRELSEC.

well like i said, if you need any help with styling and such, i'm a mild fanatic about those time periods. :3

Quote from: "Stewart-san"
The bold and just CINC DEC.  Somehow I imagine this as her theme. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cH6KR_ncxNc) Something appropriately marshal.  Everyone needs to start somewhere.  When I read the wiki article Tenex-tan, it seemed that her troops deserted instead of taking orders from VMS, so the order of battle got changed accordingly.  I felt kind of bad for DOS 11-tan, but in the end she got a death on the glorious field of battle.  Right, glad it makes sense.

It works! ^^ Ah yes, I nearly forgot about the VMS/Tenex rivalry, thanks for refreshing my memory. (I also forgot that most of the Tenex userbase decided to move to Unix rather than use VMS @@).

I wasn't sure how she died (I always supposed it would be at home. In bed. Or something). But yeah, that's probably better.

QuoteTSS-8-tan is probable even more in the dark for me then the rest, so I sorta just stuck her in ^^'.  It seemed to me that at the time she debuted, DEC was small enough to need all hands on the frontline or maybe it was a Nathanael Greene (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nathanael_Greene) scenario?.  As XO for TOPS-10-tan though, she'd have handled mostly administrative duties, and before she could be discharged or transferred to a staff position fate intervened quite rudely(?).

Yeah, you're probably right... but I imagine she wasn't a very willing participant (I don't know that much about TSS-8 either).

QuoteAnd went on to represent the Ordnance Lab in the 1960 OS Games in Detroit for javelin toss and shot put.

It took some doing, but I finally found a Bunker-Ramo OS, excitement abounded.  She's an interesting system, no doubt and considering BR's shadowy nature she may be alive somewhere today...

Haha, I did a sketch of the OS-tan Olympics... I should post it. >.>

Bunker-Ramo is rather mysterioso, I can barely find any info on the company...

Quote from: "Choco-san"i realize it's a bit late, but bella: russian. icedancing. idiots.

oh yea, were edvac and eniac from the 40's? i have a great interest in the 20's-40's period so if you need any period advice i'd be happy to help.

i also have a slight knowledge of 1900's to 1910's. :3

I know, right? >.<;

Ah, thanks for the offer... I'm sure I'll take you up on it sometime. Especially as I research older and older computers... ^^

np. ^^ and they WERE idiots.

Quote from: "Bella"I wasn't sure how she died (I always supposed it would be at home. In bed. Or something). But yeah, that's probably better.

Maybe not better, but different.  

QuoteYeah, you're probably right... but I imagine she wasn't a very willing participant (I don't know that much about TSS-8 either).

Yeah, the Greene comparison really isn't too viable, but he was at one point a Quaker.  Too bad for her though.

QuoteHaha, I did a sketch of the OS-tan Olympics... I should post it. >.>

Bunker-Ramo is rather mysterioso, I can barely find any info on the company...

Shweet, do it.

They did electronics works for rockets/missiles, defense computers, and other.... things... Yeah I really have no clue, they fit the bill of mysterious defense contractor pretty well.

oo, OS-lympics? xD i know we were talking about OS Special Olympics in the computer forum....xD

anyway, post toast. ^^ and how's work on EDVAC and ENIAC? :3

.......ENIAC: any relation to GENIAC? <3

Okay then, I'll have to upload that OS-tan Olympics picture. (Only a couple weeks late, I guess... ^^'')

Work on ENIAC and EDVAC-tan has ground to a halt, but I'm sure I'll get my second wind. : \

GENIAC and ENIAC: Related only in the last four letters of their names. :P

Ideas!

Convergent Technologies OS (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CTOS)-tan (aka CTOS, BTOS, STARSYS-tan)
-Worked for several government and military organizations, most notably the Coast Guard
-Native of Convergent Technologies, but also an honourary Bull-tan (that's GECOS-tan's current corporation, was one of Multics-sama's) and Burroughs-tan (yey!).
-Friendly with Windows NT-tan (CTOS workstations also supported WNT).
-Loves rats, keeps some as pets (I had a good reason for this... but I can't entirely remember it. A reference to some rat-maze-running-game in CTOS, IIRC...)
-Supposedly the third most used workstation OS in the 1980s
Physically, I see her as a young woman, boxy haircut/dress style (reference to the shape of the workstation), likes to dress in military-style uniforms. Seems to be deceased, sadly.

EVE (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extensible_VAX_Editor)-tan (aka Extensible VAX Editor-tan). EVE is a VMS text editor, considered the most usable native editor on VMS.
-EVE-tan is a rare female text editor
-Wouldn't know it to look at her, though, she's rather androgynous
-Opposite of Red-kun: EVE is quiet, withdrawn, non-confrontational
-BFFs with VMS-tan, much to the chagrin of Red-kun
Weird note: Emacs has a mode in which it can emulate EVE. I'll leave you with the odd mental image of Emacs-kun crossdressing as a fauxshonen woman...

heh, the coast guard. like military jr. xD

i figure since she worked for them maybe an outfit based on the coast guard uniform of the period might work out.

crosdressing as an androgynous woman....sounds like a bad episode of RuPaul's Drag Race ;]

Quote from: "Bella"-Native of Convergent Technologies, but also an honourary Bull-tan (that's GECOS-tan's current corporation, was one of Multics-sama's) and Burroughs-tan (yey!).

Hooray CTOS! Hey, RCA TSOS was a Bull-tan too, after a couple of different switches.

So female text editors do exist, eh?  That is an image I really didn't need...

why, you perv? xD

this forum is kinda dead except for this thread. :\

Me perv?

I want art skillz for Christmas next year :|

heh. i want copics and an apartment.

Yes, I was planning on CTOS-tan having a Coast Guard-esque outfit... I'm trying to incorporate a lifejacket, but you know, make it look fashionable.

Quote from: "Stewart-san"So female text editors do exist, eh? That is an image I really didn't need...

YES IT IS. (See below)

QuoteI want art skillz for Christmas next year

Well, you write circles around us and writing is as much an art as drawing or painting or anything else. That being said, I do believe that any medium can be picked up with practice and dedication...

Quote from: "choco-san"heh. i want copics and an apartment.

Copics and living on your own are two of the scariest and most expensive things on our little planet. ;____;

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.... Thanks Bella, thanks a lot.

Anyway, I'll at least add another IBM-tan and another miscellaneous -tan:

SIMMON-san:
-VM/CMS-san's own assistant.  Not very helpful, spends most of his time on "serious" projects, but a willing tester for her snacks.
-Not a mad scientist, though he may look like one
-Was the first IBM-tan DOS, BOS, and TOS were exposed to. He protested their treatement and was summarily demoted.
-Performs most tests for System/360 and System/370 OS's, usually as busy as his mistress.
-Skilled analyst, can find errors sooner then anyone else
-Summarizes most things into data tables
-Known for over complicating every answer he gives
-Status: Deceased

Physical: Haggard looking man in his mid-50's, graying black hair, thin build, average height, usually wears a suit without jacket, goggles on head

Okay, so this one's actually a.... compiler-tan.... yeah...

TREE-META-tan:
-Shadowy conspiracy theorist, known associate of the early internet
-Quite pleasant and conversant in a variety of philosophical, lingual, and historical subjects if you can catch her
-Speaks any language after it's spoken to her, and can translate it to others she knows
-May or may not work for the government.
-Likes the outdoors, especially woodlands, but is almost never there
-Status: Classified

Physical: Small woman with sunglasses (http://www.vintage-designer-sunglasses.com/ray-ban%20glacier%20glasses%20arctic%20cats_1.jpg) and unknown eye color, usually wears a green jacket or sweater, brown pants or skirt, appears to have graying brown hair, illusive

Still to do?:
ICL VME (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ICL_VME)
NLS? (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/On-Line_System)
ARPANET? (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Advanced_Research_Projects_Agency_Network)
Pilot's been done right? The Xerox Star one?
WWMCCS? (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Worldwide_Military_Command_and_Control_System)
GWEN? (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ground_Wave_Emergency_Network)
SLFCS? (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Survivable_Low_Frequency_Communications_System)

I'm just doing my job. >:3

Hmm, considering that he was a software tester, d'ye think SIMMON-kun might have been some sort of teacher or tutor?

I don't really have anything to say about TREE-META-tan (for lack of compiler knowledge) but those are some cool sunglasses. xD

ICL-VME is now called OpenVME! Surely that would set her up for some run-ins with OpenVMS-sama. Heck, they might even share a "common ancestor"-- according to wiki, VME was very slightly kinda/sorta inspired by Multics (ish). Says its more "modern" than Unix and Windows and has a Unix subsystem, too. Verai interest'n find!

Did you watch the NLS demo? Anyway, that's a fascinating system! I guess NLS-tan would be some sort of Da Vinciesque uber-visionary and Renaissance woman, thinking years (decades, even) ahead of her peers.

ARPANET is a little more difficult to draw a concept for, since it's equivalent to creating an Internet or WWW-tan-- systems I've always thought would be analogous to postal or telecommunications systems in the OS-tan universe. That shouldn't stop you from creating one if you have a good idea, though.

Pilot-tan has been done, yes.

Why does WWMCS remind me a bit of SAGE? That's more of an observation than a real question. Sounds like an interesting system, there must be some potential there for a character.

I don't have any ideas for a GWEN or SLFCS-tan, but I found the wiki articles quite fascinating! Just off the top of my head, I suppose GWEN-tan would''ve seen herself as a target for Soviet assassination and for crazy conspiracy theories about mind control? SLFCS's logo/patch-thingy says "voice of the commander" in Latin. (I'm trying to practice my random Latin).

Yes, yes you are.

But of course, at least for the early /360-tans and VM/CMS-tan.  After that, well, more of a tea and sweets tester....

Neither did I, but it was beckoning.

Indeed, I did read both of those.  OpenVME-tan has great potential.

I did! NLS-tan is going to have to be all Da Vinci/Lillienthal-esque.  She'll get her section soon.

Yeaaaah, it was just a momentary thought after I started on NLS-san.  I mean, ARPANET was more specialized the internet, but nothing really comes to mind.

A little more searching and I'd found the material ^^;

WWMCCS(or Wimex)-san and SAGE-sama would have some similarities no doubt, the Cold War era bunker mentality/paranoia, the crushing sense of inadequacy and self loathing.... maybe its time for a support group with the two of them and GWEN?

GWEN sort of worked it/herself into one of my other universes (unpublished except for some maps), but I'm hesitant to do a -tan for her, even though I have some ideas for both.  L33T Latin skillz!

Hurhur, is that a Unix chewing on a SAGE I see in your avatar? ^^

If only I could come up with some personality ideas for OpenVME-tan. : \

Considering NSL-tan's "homeland" and forward-thinking mentality, I suppose she'd have been good friends with our dear Bohemian WAITS-tan.

BTW, is WWMCCS-tan still alive?

Ah, I see. Latin is so much fun! And it's such fun telling people you're studying Latin, because they usually give you a confused look or laugh and ask why you're studying a dead language. To which I reply, rident stolidi verba Latina. >:3

In other thoughts: why do I think that GECOS-tan's "mommy issues" with DOS/360-tan may have intensified her hatred of Multics-sama? Here's the reasoning. GECOS-tan always suspected she was DOS/360-tan's daughter but was always treated rather coldly by DOS/360-tan. You can kinda/sorta make out a parallel with Multics-sama's treatment of Unix-sama, so maybe somewhere in her slightly crazed mind she felt like she was punishing her own bad "mother" vicariously through Unix-sama v. Multics-sama?

I IS A SOAP OPERA WRITER IN DISGUISE.

I ancay peaksay Igpay Atinlay! ;006

Interesting parallels between GECOS and DOS/360! I made a sketch of the System/360 sisters which I still need to post up. I support the idea because it may explain why GECOS became the manipulative person she is today, though it seems odd for DOS/360-tan to treat anybody that coldly.

Maybe DOS/360-tan was trying to discipline GECOS-tan but went a bit too far?

But was GECOS jealous of Multics for having a daughter of her own, and wanted to ruin things for her rival? You know... because that's what bitter arch-rivals do!

Nullo modo! Oro Latina. Tuum nomen est Latina "Dawn" (sorry for my poor Latin skillz)

I was going to do a DOS/360-tan drawing too... SKETCH RACE! Well, gotta remember that GECOS-tan isn't really DOS/360-tan's daughter (?), and even if she is I doubt DOS/360-tan would get along with somebody as... you know... GECOS-tan like as GECOS-tan is. ^^;;

It's unlikely that GECOS-tan had much contact with DOS/360-tan in her youth (probably not for lack of trying); seeing Multics-sama treat Unix-sama so badly probably upset her (at least as much as somebody like GECOS-tan can be upset). At the same time, though, GECOS-tan was indoctrinating Unix-sama against her mother, so I guess there's plenty of blame to go around...

She would have been angered that her rival had a daughter, but at the same time slightly satisfied because Unix-sama was so very unlike her mum (and therefore, "desecrating" Multics-sama's legacy in a way).

One of my few bits of Latin: Ultima Ratio Regum

The size needs to be fixed, but yes, yes it is  ;025

I've got Open VME covered (see bellow).  To be honest, she sort of reminds me of the Doctor.

Oh no doubt, considering their mutual pioneering and emotive nature.

It seems one of classes is "Why Latin is important" more then the actual subject matter.

Wow, that, that's impressive Bella.  I-I never even thought of it that way, but it makes sense.  

Although I think DOS/360's possible motivation for treating GECOS coldly could stem from the fact GECOS isn't her daughter but thinks she is.  While DOS-sama can be manipulative, it's usually for the greater good and no one gets hurt.... bad.... often.... that she likes....

Revenge is a dish best served to anyone and everyone, especially your competitors (if possible).

UNIX-sama being all rebellious, and un-Multics like, wearin' her skirts above the knee and.... I'll stop there ^^'

Hooray more System/360's!  It does an old heart good to see characters you create get a life of their own!



Here's the first three:

OpenVME-tan:
-Normally Whimsical and easily distracted
--Leeds to Buffy-speak
-Can be snobby, considers herself better then Unix or Windows derivatives
-One of the IBM-tan's many enemies
-Sometimes becomes aggressive  (unfinished version was supposed to be fault tolerant, so yeah)
-Never has been awfully successful, and doesn't really have many friends
-Prefers to remain above  the petty bickering of others, and eat pastries
-Has undergone a series of rather serious experimental surgeries, leading to an.... interesting internal arrangement (system's been overhauled, rebuilt, and combined a lot)
-At one point, someone tried to graft Unix type wings on her (see above)
-Changes labels around on her friends or enemies belongings
-A skilled civil engineer, designs and constructs her own buildings (QuickBuild application)
-Status: Alive

Physical: A little on the short side for a mainframe-tan (was also designed to run on smaller computers), wears layers of clothing (had layers in the system, sort of like Multics rings), gray-blue eyes usually bloodshot, strawberry blond, wears heavy plastic rimmed glasses, has one owl wing and part of some sort of white wing neither of which retract, both wing roots surrounded by scars and metal

NLS-tan
-Sometime colleague of WAITS and TREE-META-tans
-Unusually fond of mice (first practical mouse use)
-Fond of discussing anything research based
-Supporter of openness and collaboration in the OS community (early wiki-like programs)
-Often talks above her listeners, can be hard to follow (complex and hard to use)
-Can access data by touching things around her lab and certain other places (hyperlink use)
-Likes to be around people, even if she does seem distant
-Big into 'total interaction', though few have the courage to inquire further
-Status: Deceased

Physical: Green eyes, sandy brown hair, average height, a bit on the thin side (budget issues), style of dress could described as comfortable and contemporary for the 70's progressive movement

WWMCCS (Wimex)-tan:
-Somewhat neurotic and depressed
-Spent most of her career unappreciated, but mentally clinging to her importance
-Possibly a complex about the various Secretaries of Defense
-Has some trouble managing data and messages, but try's as hard as she can with limited  resources
-Feels guilty about the USS Liberty incident, and the congressional censure
-Gets along with most OS and hardware -tans (The DoD used a variety of systems as part of WWMCCS)
-Felt redeemed by her performance in Desert Shield and Desert Storm after her modernization
-Crushed by the 'rejection' of the SecDef to modernize her again after the Gulf War
-Disappeared from her DoD office sometime in 1996, hasn't been seen since, unknown if it was of her own free will
-Status: Presumed Deceased

Physical: Shorter then SAGE but taller then LIFT-chan, pale, missing one eye, the others always blackened from lack of sleep and brown in color, chocolate brown hair, usually in civilian business attire with a sweater, wears rings on each finger that allow for data control and manipulation

Quote from: "Bella"Nullo modo! Oro Latina. Tuum nomen est Latina "Dawn" (sorry for my poor Latin skillz)

I was going to do a DOS/360-tan drawing too... SKETCH RACE! Well, gotta remember that GECOS-tan isn't really DOS/360-tan's daughter (?), and even if she is I doubt DOS/360-tan would get along with somebody as... you know... GECOS-tan like as GECOS-tan is. ^^;;

It's unlikely that GECOS-tan had much contact with DOS/360-tan in her youth (probably not for lack of trying); seeing Multics-sama treat Unix-sama so badly probably upset her (at least as much as somebody like GECOS-tan can be upset). At the same time, though, GECOS-tan was indoctrinating Unix-sama against her mother, so I guess there's plenty of blame to go around...

She would have been angered that her rival had a daughter, but at the same time slightly satisfied because Unix-sama was so very unlike her mum (and therefore, "desecrating" Multics-sama's legacy in a way).

Why did Multics treat Unix badly then? Did she always do so since Unix's birth?

I admit that when Multics-sama's backstory was first being conjectured more than 2 years ago, I had some very... wrong first impressions because of my cynicism and misanthropy. I had thought she was a cruel, oppressive, extravagant tyrant who Unix rightfully rebelled against, with Unix becoming a horrible monster herself being corrupted by the power she was glad to steal from her, and was initially confused that Unix was sad over Multics' death! o_o

Back then, I had thought of morality being absolute, in black-and-white terms then, with Plan 9-tan in turn being the true hero, believing that evil doesn't necessarily run in the bloodline, rejecting the Unix throne, as a firm believer of the Screw Destiny trope, while Unix believed that You Can't Fight Fate, and that's it's In The Blood.

However, I did understand Unix's friendship with Linux-sama, but saw Linux as Unix's morality pet, as the two have a surprising amount in common, with Linux being much like Unix had she not been evil! Of course, this is before I realized that Good Is Not (Necessarily) Nice!

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But when GECOS-tan was introduced, and in your comics and later conjectures, you showed that Multics and Unix were NOT the monstrous tyrants I initially thought they were! Far from it actually, and that Unix had to act like a tyrant to survive in a world largely against her, and she didn't intend to rise to power the way she did. It is actually from the OS-tan conjectures that I fully realized the concept of grey-and-grey morality!

Did Multics have to act the same way for similar reasons, since nearly everyone was against her too, including her daughter who was indoctrinated by her arch-rival?

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The questions I'm trying to get at here are: Why were Multics and GECOS arch-rivals in the first place? I can't remember the details exactly, but they were developed by the same companies at nearly the same time with fierce competition among them, yes?

And... I know that GECOS indoctrinated and abused Unix in a way to use her against Multics (partly because of her own mommy issues!)... but how did GECOS get custody of Unix in the first place?! What were the higher-ups of the companies thinking when they let a mastermind have custody of her arch-rival's daughter?! o_o

On the topic of desecrating Multics' legacy, I bet that's why she still torments any Multics or Unix descendants she comes across, even though she's not as good as a fighter as she used to be!

Aurora-sama...

The amazing grays are your key to living in this world. B/W gets you nothing, except perhaps some photography prize.

Quote from: "stewart-san"One of my few bits of Latin: Ultima Ratio Regum

...

It seems one of classes is "Why Latin is important" more then the actual subject matter.

I translated that as "the last understanding of kings", but Wikipedia filled me in on its actual meaning. They teach you why Latin is important, without teaching you any actual Latin? Piffle! >:V

Woo, OpenVME-taaaaan! You know, she does remind me a little of OpenVMS-sama, is only for the Unix/Windows condescension, isolation and aggressiveness. (I was going to suggest blonde hair for her, because of the colour of the mainframes VME runs on. Well, she has wings, and that's practically an invitation for me to draw her.)

NLS-tan sounds like a more serious and work-oriented (and less debauched?) WAITS-tan. Mice! Who couldn't like mice, they're so cute. I'm going to have fun trying to make her an 1970s-with-a-Bohemian-twist-outfit. xD

Wimex-tan has found her way onto my to-draw list too.

QuoteAlthough I think DOS/360's possible motivation for treating GECOS coldly could stem from the fact GECOS isn't her daughter but thinks she is.  While DOS-sama can be manipulative, it's usually for the greater good and no one gets hurt.... bad.... often.... that she likes....

Revenge is a dish best served to anyone and everyone, especially your competitors (if possible).

UNIX-sama being all rebellious, and un-Multics like, wearin' her skirts above the knee and.... I'll stop there ^^'

That's exactly what I thought. Surely she'd be put off a bit by the idea of a "self proclaimed daughter".

Unix is the polar opposite of Multics! Its even in their names. Aside from hair and eye colour, name just about any aspect of one and the other will have the opposite.

Quote from: "Aurora-sama"Why did Multics treat Unix badly then? Did she always do so since Unix's birth?

I admit that when Multics-sama's backstory was first being conjectured more than 2 years ago, I had some very... wrong first impressions because of my cynicism and misanthropy. I had thought she was a cruel, oppressive, extravagant tyrant who Unix rightfully rebelled against, with Unix becoming a horrible monster herself being corrupted by the power she was glad to steal from her, and was initially confused that Unix was sad over Multics' death!  

Back then, I had thought of morality being absolute, in black-and-white terms then, with Plan 9-tan in turn being the true hero, believing that evil doesn't necessarily run in the bloodline, rejecting the Unix throne, as a firm believer of the Screw Destiny trope, while Unix believed that You Can't Fight Fate, and that's it's In The Blood.

However, I did understand Unix's friendship with Linux-sama, but saw Linux as Unix's morality pet, as the two have a surprising amount in common, with Linux being much like Unix had she not been evil! Of course, this is before I realized that Good Is Not (Necessarily) Nice!

That, my friend, is one of the biggest questions in the OS-tan universe-- especially as there's no RL equivalent to the Unix/Multics conflict (sure, Unix may have helped doomed Multics, but the two OSes never competed for the same turf). It's been suggested that Multics-sama went out of her way to make life rough for Unix-sama to test her and to form her into a stronger person, because Multics-sama realized that she was doomed and the only possible way for her to have a legacy was through Unix. Eventually, things got out of hand and Unix-sama was able to defeat Multics-sama; this would have broken off any interest Multics had in "tutoring" her daughter and the chance for them to have any normal relationship died. (I support this idea fully, BTW)

Haha, I thought the same thing about Multics-sama and Unix-sama... but the more I researched Multics, the more favourable my impression its OS-tan became. Multics-sama was a very extravagant woman and was raised in a rather oppressive (or at least stuffy) environment, but she was far from cruel. She had a very merciless side, but it didn't dominate her personality any more than her affectionate, caring side did.  Multics' power did corrupt Unix-sama in a way, but then again it might have been the act of nearly killing her mother (and the realization that GECOS-tan played her like a pawn) that reshaped her personality more than anything else.

This is definitely a situation of grey-and-grey morality; but your observations about Plan 9-tan's and Unix-sama's beliefs (and those tropes) are right on.

Unix-sama and Linux-tan's friendship is one of those crazy soul-mate types, where the two of them are simply too alike NOT to get along. But their views on morality and world-views are probably quite different (haha, that trope fits Linux-tan quite well).

QuoteBut when GECOS-tan was introduced, and in your comics and later conjectures, you showed that Multics and Unix were NOT the monstrous tyrants I initially thought they were! Far from it actually, and that Unix had to act like a tyrant to survive in a world largely against her, and she didn't intend to rise to power the way she did. It is actually from the OS-tan conjectures that I fully realized the concept of grey-and-grey morality!

Did Multics have to act the same way for similar reasons, since nearly everyone was against her too, including her daughter who was indoctrinated by her arch-rival?

Yes, both Multics-sama and Unix-sama had to do terrible things to survive (it's probably worse in the case of Unix-sama) but they lived in a dog-eat-dog world where they had no other choice. Glad something good came out of our fanciful little discussions. (I'll save the larger philosophical discussions for another place, but in this case of Multics, Unix and GECOS, the "good guy" is completely relative to your POV and beliefs on technology).

You are correct, there were just as many people against Multics-sama as there were against Unix-sama-- certainly more, in fact. Okay, Unix had a rough couple of years in her youth, but Multics-sama practically lived with a target on her back from birth. (Unix was slow to picking usership initially, but when Unix finally caught on in the early 70s, it took off like a rocket. Multics, on the other hand, constantly skirted cancellation, had developer infighting, suffered from very poor marketing and countless critics who thought it could never work).

QuoteThe questions I'm trying to get at here are: Why were Multics and GECOS arch-rivals in the first place? I can't remember the details exactly, but they were developed by the same companies at nearly the same time with fierce competition among them, yes?

And... I know that GECOS indoctrinated and abused Unix in a way to use her against Multics (partly because of her own mommy issues!)... but how did GECOS get custody of Unix in the first place?! What were the higher-ups of the companies thinking when they let a mastermind have custody of her arch-rival's daughter?!  

On the topic of desecrating Multics' legacy, I bet that's why she still torments any Multics or Unix descendants she comes across, even though she's not as good as a fighter as she used to be!

Multics and GECOS-tan's rivalry comes from both being tied to GE. GECOS-tan was very doubtful of Multics-sama's grandiose promises and thought she'd be a disgrace to her company. But later on, when Multics showed that she could be a competitive, GECOS-tan became threatened by Multics and tried whatever she could to "stop her". (I guess a not-completely terrible example would be the rivalry that Sayuri and Hatsumomo had in Memoirs of a Geisha)

Keep in mind that Multics-sama and GECOS-tan were not able to harm each other directly (probably not for lack of trying-- but there's also the chance they weren't allowed to, sort of like Jacob and Man in Black on Lost).

GECOS-tan was a caretaker for Unix-sama before, during and after her "birth" (GECOS supported Unix before it could support itself, and Unix was partially coded on GECOS). Well, the Labs certainly WASN'T sympathetic to Multics-sama at this time and probably didn't give a damn about GECOS's and Multics' rivalry, perhaps they thought that GECOS wouldn't figure out that Unix was Multics' daughter, or perhaps... if you want to be conspiratorial... they planned it all out.

You're right on that last point... GECOS harbours nothing but hate for  the Unices and Multics-likes at this point.

Quote from: "the wise Nejin-san"...B/W gets you nothing, except perhaps some photography prize.

I'm going to have to use that line someday...

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I'm going to have to use that line someday...

Very well. You have my permission.

^^ waiting patiently for moar pics ^^

I COME BEARING PIX~!



FULLVIEW PLZ! (http://fc03.deviantart.net/fs71/f/2010/087/2/d/Random_OS_tan_sketchdump_by_BellaCielo.jpg)

L-to-R:

-ThothOS-tan http://cseweb.ucsd.edu/classes/wi08/cse221-a/papers/cheriton79.pdf [research OS, GECOS/Multics/Unix and RTOS-alike]
-EVE-tan http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extensible_VAX_Editor[OpenVMS text editor-tan]
-WWMCCS-tan http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WWMCCS [Cold War era US military command and control system]
-ICL OpenVME-tan http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenVME [Multics-and-Unix alike [?], highend mainframe OS]
-http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NLS_(computer_system) [revolutionary online collaboration system]
-Oregon State University Shop OS-tan (1970s academic OS)
-IBM DOS/360-tan http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DOS/360_and_successors [IBM mainframe OS, GECOS's supposed ancestor]
-SpriteOS-tan http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sprite_operating_system [experimental Unix built at UC Berkeley]
-CTOS-tan http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CTOS [workstation OS owned by Burroughs/Convergent Technologies/Bull]

Possibly relevant to your inter-ests? (http://aupress.maxwell.af.mil/Books/Pearson/Pearson.pdf)

Quote from: "Bella"I COME BEARING PIX~!



FULLVIEW PLZ! (http://fc03.deviantart.net/fs71/f/2010/087/2/d/Random_OS_tan_sketchdump_by_BellaCielo.jpg)

L-to-R:

-ThothOS-tan http://cseweb.ucsd.edu/classes/wi08/cse221-a/papers/cheriton79.pdf [research OS, GECOS/Multics/Unix and RTOS-alike]
-EVE-tan http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extensible_VAX_Editor[OpenVMS text editor-tan]
-WWMCCS-tan http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WWMCCS [Cold War era US military command and control system]
-ICL OpenVME-tan http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenVME [Multics-and-Unix alike [?], highend mainframe OS]
-http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NLS_(computer_system) [revolutionary online collaboration system]
-Oregon State University Shop OS-tan (1970s academic OS)
-IBM DOS/360-tan http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DOS/360_and_successors [IBM mainframe OS, GECOS's supposed ancestor]
-SpriteOS-tan http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sprite_operating_system [experimental Unix built at UC Berkeley]
-CTOS-tan http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CTOS [workstation OS owned by Burroughs/Convergent Technologies/Bull]

ILU~~~♥♥♥

they all look lovely as usual, i especially like the one with the wing-ed head, reminds me a little of hawk girl from dc (?) comics. i can't read the captions on the pic though, they be a little too small. nice job though,and on the last one, i forgot to mention that. ^^

Ah, thanks for the WWMCCS info! I'll have to give that a look. :D

Thank you Choco-san! SpriteOS-tan is the one with the winged hat. If you click the fullview link, you should be able to see the captions (just the names of the OS-tans, which I wrote down in the description anyway).

Anyway, my current obsession is making a Harvard Mark I (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harvard_Mark_1) (and possibly, II, III and IV)-tan.

Funfacts about Mark I:
-Built in 1944
-Considered the "dawn of modern computers" and the beginning of the digital age  (Eureka! I've finally found proof that Boston IS the cradle of computer civilization... I call it, Massopotamia >:3)
-First large scale automatic digital computer in the USA
-Used by the US Navy
-One of the most stable computers of its time
-Programmed, in part, by the famous programmer Grace Hopper
-Employed the Harvard Architecture (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harvard_architecture)

I have a few ideas for a Harvard Mark I-tan (-sama? -hime?); physically speaking, I see her as a mature woman, dressed in Byzantine-style fashion (which is sort of Romanesque but with a little more... flair...)

She was very intelligent and surprisingly psychologically-stable for her time, knowledgeable of military tactics and an excellent mathematician. She was an IBM native, but tended to ignore that part of her heritage-- she even refused to call herself by her IBM-given moniker, ASCC, instead adopting the name Mark I.

Her daughters (?) are Mark II, III and IV-tan; although she didn't see II or III-tan much, because they were stationed in Virginia. Mark IV-tan worked for the Air Force but stayed in Harvard.

Mark I-tan died at an unknown date, and her body is currently entombed in Cambridge.

Mark I-tan is possibly related to IBM SSEC-tan (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_SSEC), the famous astronomer and rocket scientist (who legend holds worked on the 1969 Apollo moon mission). I have a few ideas for a SSEC-tan, but nothing concrete...

IT'S BEAUTIFUL!! AND IT'S HOMEGROWN!!!

It's crack. ´3`

Quote from: "Choco-san"IT'S BEAUTIFUL!! AND IT'S HOMEGROWN!!!

YES IT IS~! WE SHOULD BE SO LUCKY TO LIVE IN THE CRADLE OF COMPUTER CIVILIZATION. ;v;

(As evidenced by this simple equation...)

Naturally, the concentration of Hillbillies is in the far north of the state; the rest can easily be considered one huge extension of Boston (at least judging by the Bostonian-to-Native NHite ratio).

Quote from: "Nejin-kun"It's crack.  Â´3`

Crack is whack, Nejin! >:

HOORAY!! Mk. II and Mk. III WERE IN DAHLGREN, I'VE BEEN THERE! (actually the concept of high grade electronics on the Northern Neck makes me nervous....)

Hm, though aren't Hahvahd and MIT somewhat rivals?

Quote from: "Bella"Crack is whack, Nejin! >:

But pot is hot.... when it's on fire....

Well, at least weed isn't my feed...




I prefer my meals rich in iron. ´V`

...And suddenly, this thread has more drug references than a Steely Dan album. I wouldn't know about the stuff, I get high off my own sense of self-satisfaction, and the excess dopamine that my brain produces. >:3

Oooh, I love iron rich meals too. They help keep the anemia at bay. :<

WOOO, STEWART-SAN HAS FINALLY FOUND A LOCAL-ISH OS-TAN. MIT and Harvard are rivals, but they're rivals in the same neighbourhood.

i had an ex that went mushroom hunting in the graveyard where he used to work. :\

crack is whack, say nope to dope.

and i just remembered i have an ibm laptop somewhere.....i should track down tanky then determine if she has an os-tan or not. :3

Classic Thinkpad?  I think most 700 series shipped with 98 and 800's ran NT sometimes on, but I have no idea what earlier models had.

I still want to do Smith-Corona SL-500-tan

yes, yes, you're right. she was running 98SE, so i suppose she DOES have a -tan.

is there a thinkpad-tan in the near future, or are you basing these ibm-tans on the software only? older OSes tend to blur the line a bit as one model could only work with one OS........so technically the -tan covers both. :\

I don't know to be honest.  But, I might do a Thinkpad-tan and Selectric-kun soon.

The thing with IBM hardware is, it was so widely used that all sorts of quirky variations variant OS's started cropping up .  Pretty much anything pre-1958 (like the IAS Machine Family or Whirlwind-hime) should be considered representing both hardware and OS, but post-'58 things get a little hazy.  At least in my mind.  For example, CDC-tans would cover both hardware & OS.  On the other side of the coin, I'd say System/360-tan would be a flighty, amorous chap who tends to make the many System/360 OS-tans kind of nervous.

Oh heck why not do one of them now.

Selectric-kun:
-One of the few male IBM-tans
-A rather heavyset fellow (have you ever tried to lift one of those things!?)
-Keeps a list of books written on his product
-In kind, likes to read.  A lot.  Anything.
-The well respected business manager/accountant/clerk/salesman in the family, even TOS-san doesn't totally hate him
-Travels a lot for work, has been everywhere twice and likes to talk about it.
-Covert operative for IBM Security, he get's access to place others wouldn't (You may not have an IBM computer, but you probably have a Selectric{valid 1961-now})
-Likes fonts a lot
-Possibly posses the ability to cross dimensional lines
-Juggles type balls for fun/show of to make a sale
-Determined, hard to stop him once he gets going on something
-Status: Alive, semi-retired

Appearance: heavy set, average height, generally wears a gray suit with jacket open, suspenders, balding, mustache, eye color changes periodically; usually blue or gray, sometimes red, often carrying a book or typewriter, laughs a lot

....did i just see a bot? o____o;

I think?

Sounds like a cool laptop, Choco-san! As for your question...

Quote from: "Choco"is there a thinkpad-tan in the near future, or are you basing these ibm-tans on the software only? older OSes tend to blur the line a bit as one model could only work with one OS........so technically the -tan covers both. :\

That should be up to you. Personally, I'm not fond of making modern hardware-tans, because so many modern PCs are generic "clones" of one another (as opposed to the old days when OSes and hardware were more dependent upon each other, or the very old days, when only hardware and rudimentary software existed).

But... if you have a good idea for a Thinkpad-tan, we'd all be happy to see it. The Thinkpad is a pretty iconic laptop (maybe some sort of jet-setting businesswoman?)

Quote from: "Stewart-san"The thing with IBM hardware is, it was so widely used that all sorts of quirky variations variant OS's started cropping up . Pretty much anything pre-1958 (like the IAS Machine Family or Whirlwind-hime) should be considered representing both hardware and OS, but post-'58 things get a little hazy. At least in my mind. For example, CDC-tans would cover both hardware & OS. On the other side of the coin, I'd say System/360-tan would be a flighty, amorous chap who tends to make the many System/360 OS-tans kind of nervous.

This is the pattern I've always had in my mind, with software and hardware-tans comprising different races (or even species?) within the OS-tan world:
-Pre 1950s: hardware-tans and software-tans are synonymous, because "software" was still in a very early state
-1950s: OS-tans count for both the hardware and software of a computer. Later on, some pure OS-tans existed (like IBSYS-tan).
-1960s: OS-tans are the norm, hardware-tans are still very important but begin to take a backseat to the software-tans (more portable OSes were emerging, lessening the importance of "xyz" architecture).
-1970s-80s: OS-tans become the vanguards of their respective companies and are more portable than ever before. The microcomputer-tans usher in a renaissance of hardware-tan popularity, though.
-1990s-00s: The meteoric rise of Windows, the OS Wars and Internet push OSes into the forefront of public knowledge and popularity; PC hardware becomes cheaper and more generic than ever (IE, millions of IBM PC clones), lessening the role of hardware-tans. Emulator-tans enter the picture; while software-tans, they display hardware traits too.

Keep in mind that I also analogize hardware with territory, properties and buildings in the OS-tan universe (because the hardware is the thing that houses/supports the OS)-- IOW, Multics-sama's huge mainframes would be akin to massive, classical-looking cities, while the Unix territory (minicomputers, workstations, etc) would be significantly more utilitarian and industrialized.

QuoteSelectric-kun...

Selectric-kun sounds like a jolly ol' chap, why I say. ^^b

I'm guessing the crossing dimensional borders thing is an homage to Fringe? >^.^<

IBSYS is special!

Well, it is a Selectric 251.......

selectric. i like that name. like selina + electric.

electric moon....... ^^

and maybe i'll make a thinkpad -tan. i'm still a little miffed over the failure of android-tan, so expect something in a few days, maybe.

also, one could think of the ibm clones as almost like an army, with IBM-tan herself at the commanding helm.

You mean the IBM PC 5150?

i guess.....then again i suppose you're right....making one -tan for an entire -tan species is kinda hard.....

although there was a random mac pic floating around that i kind of declared just "mac-tan"

Ooopsie, I got IBSYS and BESYS mixed up. ^^' You know what I mean though, those rare, late-1950s OS-tans.

I've always been a bit put-off by catchall -tans-- not so much -tans for a single branch or family of OSes/computers, but company-tans and the like. I've seen Apple-tans and a Sun Microsystem-tan before... but whole companies seem too big and too complex to accurately represent with a single character. IMO.

Anyhoooo... my continuing research of ancient computers has made me ponder two new characters: CSIRAC (http://www.csse.unimelb.edu.au/dept/about/csirac/)-tan and Manchester Mark I (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manchester_Mark_1)-tan

Off the top of my head ideas--
CSIRAC-tan: somewhat utilitarian-and-masculine dressing (in an 1800s sot of way), dark skin, light hair, good-natured and no-nonsense. She's the pioneer computer in her country, and a musician as well. May have gotten along with DTSS-tan (!?), or at least communicated well with her. (CSIRAC used a programming language "similar to BASIC").
Mahnchesta Mark I-tan: Small-Scale Experimental Machine-tan's daughter, a Von Neumann, sparked a firestorm of controversy when she compared her intellect to that of a human (something that set back human-computer relations YEARS). A prolific lass, she had several children and influenced the IBM machines of that time. I see her as a rather wild, disheveled-looking woman, with long hair and messy clothing. Has a very pronounced Manchester accent.

manchester, england, or manchester, NH? :\

also, you guys might find this helpful in terms of costuming:
http://www.pastpatterns.com/

i'm REEEAL excited to start ordering stuff from here. ^^ (it's tiem for a REAL steampunk tea party! break out the 9-gored skirts and girdles!! xD )

Mahn-che-stah, England, not manCHESter NH. (It's ALL in the pronunciation!) Though it would be cool if she were from our neck of the woods. ^^;

That site is very helpful! Thanks for sharing. *bookmarks*

np. :3 and if y'all need any moar advice on antique time periods, ect. i'm here to help as much as possible. ^^

i'd be drawing -tans, but dk about most of them so i'd probably screw it up..... .____.;

You'll be the first person I ask when I need advice on old fashion (isn't turn-of-the-century through 1940s sort of your area of expertise?) ^^

C'mon Choco-san! Draw some! ^O^

Yes Choco-san, you've drawn the best RCA TSOS-tan!

I believe it was Aurora-hime who drew RCA TSOS-tan.

Any thoughts on Mahnchestah Mark I-tan or CSIRAC-tan, Stewart-san?

Aw crap, you're right.... and I wanted more TSOS lovin'.....

Sounds good to me ^^;

wat wat, wat?? i has drawn none!! ;___;

psssh.....alright. why not, i need to get off this binge of drawing gory nanami pics anyway.

i don't think we have an IBM portable 5100 yet....i'll draw that.

http://oldcomputers.net/ibm5100.html

i'm thinking.....a spoiled rich girl who carries a suitcase around with her, like she is travelling (the 5100 was the size and weight of a small, packed suitcase). she likes tropical destinations (ran on PALM) and exotic locales a la 1900's society did. She is rather narcissistic (as she was a marvel in her time). She is slightly annoyed by Europe and South America (the display was slightly less compatible with external monitors in those regions). she also carries a radio (5100 could recieve remote signals), and has a small dog she takes with her named Em (5100 had an emulator to run programs made for larger systems).

she is intelligent, bratty, behind the times and refuses to accept that she is obsolete. you might find her marveling over the "exotic" locations such as hawaii xD

hey, while i'm at it, i think i'll do Wang 2200 as well. :3
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wang_2200
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_5100

Yesss, I'm sorry ;_; my memory isn't any good.  But, hooray!

5100-chan!  Those stupid European plugs, messing up everyone.  With her penchant for travel, I'm sure she'd have to deal with SABRE pretty often, but expect no particularly good deals (even for a fellow IBM)

Now I want to do a 5150-tan as a foil to 5100-chan, or at least PDP-11-tan for my school's old computer.  Maybe some MERT, TRIPOS, or maybe MONECS too.

Uwah, Choco-san, those are amazing ideas! :] I like the concept for IBM 5100-tan, not just because it's such an important computer (IBM's first non-mainframe, AND the first "portable computer") but also because you seem to have created a really fitting character for it.

Wang 2200? So that was like one of the first desktop computers, huh?

FYI, Stewart, C-quel made a TRIPOS (http://c-quel.deviantart.com/art/OS-tan-Stamp-TRIPOS-122079793)-tan. MERT-tan interests me greatly, wiki says it's a spinoff of research Unix. @@ Other names for MONECS include SCUBA and DEAMON-- methinks she ought to be a diving enthusiast (woo, now OpenVMS-sama has a scuba diving buddy <3) with a bit of a devilish streak. >:B

Oh yes, and MONECS-tan MUST have a Macgyver-like penchant for making things with paper clips and other trivial household products. (Its students programmed on IBM punchcards that could be punched with bent paper clips lol).

Yess, I figured he already had, considering the Amiga connection ><;

Yep, MERT'll be my first Unix!
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Hopefully there will be as little blood as possible.

MONECS-tan
-Australian
-Speed reader, completes books quickly but may have trouble remembering them
-Passionate supporter of making technology more available (designed to give smaller schools computer access)
-Gets along well with children (Goes with above)
-Enjoys scuba diving, sometimes even with OpenVMS (Also called SCUBA)
-Known for playing tricks on other DECs, or, well anyone (AKA DEAMON)
-Likes to build things out of office supplies and household knick-knacks, since she frequently lacks more advanced materials. Frequently involved in the above.
-Almost impossible to trap, combining her improve building skills with her hard to stop personality

Appearance: Climate comfortable clothes or scuba suit, black hair with silver highlights well styled, typically some jewelry fashioned out of paperclips, horns of some sort

i want to make this -tan......


ibm 5100 tan.

and wang 2200 -chan:


my notes on wang-chan are:
smaller (adolescent?), worked well in businesses, built by an immigrant from china, easily connects to other computers, feels inferior to older sister VS wang, recieved upgrade (2200CS) in late 1980's, humble, polite, cheaper than other computers of the time, dying off, still loved by her creator, warmhearted, tries her best despite the fact that she is frail, still supported thoigh her parent company has died off,

@ MONECS-tan: those are excellent ideas, she's already sounding delightfully quirky. We'll be waiting to see what's in store with MERT-tan! (Unices are like potato chips: betcha can't have just one. Or make just one. Damn, gotta work on my metaphor skillz).

@IBM 5100 and Wang 2200-tan: Wooh, I love 5100-tan's design! You already know how I feel about her personality, but the physical design is gorgeous as well (the clothing design is to die for). And the little pup in her arms.... <3

(Terminally bored, eh? That reminds me of a traveler OC of mine... xD)

Wang-chan's design is a little less complex, but adorable in its simplicity. D'awws were had at 2200-chan and Mac-tan holding hands in the bottom right corner (full sized drawing plz ^//^)

That's VS Wang-tan on the lower left?

Anyhoow... a few of my own. ENIAC, EDVAC, Harvard Mark I, CSIRAC and Manchester Mark I-tan:



FULLSIZED VERSION (http://fc06.deviantart.net/fs71/f/2010/112/d/d/Ancient_OS_tan_concepts_by_BellaCielo.jpg)

Notes can be found here (http://bellacielo.deviantart.com/art/Ancient-OS-tan-concepts-161651308)

all are lovely. ^^ my favourite is manchester-tan, i kind of want to make that outfit...... (i kinda wish i had the pretty long hair to go with it .___.)

i'll draw a full size of that pic you requested, but it's going in the pile. ^^ thankfully IT'S VACATION, which leaves me plenty of time. ^^


bella......is you on vacation as well....? .w.

Thank you very much. You could probably make Manchester Mark I-tan's outfit, all you need is some crazy old skirts/blouses/scarves/jewelry and a straw hat (and a pipe?) and throw it all together in a disheveled mess. >XD

Awesome! :D I have a pile of 90%-done drawings that need uploading too, they've been sitting for months and are starting to get on my nerves. >.>

I wuz. :<

is or was? ._____.

thought you didn't live in mass.....ART THOU LYING TO MEE??? ;____;


i thought what we had was special..... ;___;

I like to consider myself something of a dual-citizen; I live in NH, but have a lot of friends/relatives-by-marriage that are from Mass so I've sort of picked up their culture by osmosis.

It's just that my school is rebellious, it follows its own schedule come hell or high water.

ah....ok.

the 5100-tan i drew reminds me of my evangeline dolly. i should post a pic of her. ^^

Evangeline.... Negima.....?

lulz. check pic thread in discussions section ^^;

A few new OS-tan concepts:

IBM Stretch (7030 Data Processing System)-tan
http://www.brouhaha.com/~eric/retrocomputing/ibm/stretch/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_7030_Stretch
Computer info:
-IBM's first transistorized supercomputer
-Slower than expected, but the fastest computer in the world until the CDC 6600 was built
-First Stretch site was Los Alamos National Laboratory (1961)
OS-tan info:
-Developed contortionist abilities after mutations from being exposed to radiation (a la superhero comics)
-Also has the ability to extend her limbs up to 31 feet in any direction (there's a reason to this number, btw)
-Dresses lightly (to accommodate her physical abilities), wears Classical-looking clothing and strapped sandals
-Has a feud with the CDC-tans, especially SCOPE-tan

Tandem (now HP) NonStop OS-tan (this design was proposed by DaveLuck @ Deviantart.com (http://daveluck.deviantart.com/))
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NonStop#NonStop_OS
OS-tan info:
-Identical twins
-Have an uncanny telepath-like connection
-Operate in lock-step with one another
-They have odd speech mannerisms: often say the same thing at the same time, prone to repetition in an attempt to get their point across
-Will argue about semantics and wording if one says something that the other doesn't
-May be physically indestructible
-If ones gets "killed" or badly injured, the other will pick up the slack (at least long enough to get the job done)
Neither DaveLuck nor I have any set ideas for their physical appearance, only that they would be perfectly identical.

Colossus Computer-tan
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colossus_computer
-A giant, at 30ft/9.14m tall (can downsize to 6ft/182cm, though, for practical purposes)
-Dresses in a vague mix of Greek dress and British WWII Army uniform
-Skilled code-breaker and cryptographer
-Has been brought back to life as Colossus Mark II (?)

The Colossus!  We decided she'd be a spy working for the British Government, as it was used as a codebreaker during the war.

I loved your phrase of not letting OS/360-tan near anything breakable, she sounds like a particular OS-tan that is quite clumsy herself.

Sorry Red-san, I didn't know that you guys had already created a Colossus-tan. ^^; Or did you just propose a few ideas?

Quote from: "MaccasWell"I loved your phrase of not letting OS/360-tan near anything breakable, she sounds like a particular OS-tan that is quite clumsy herself.

She is quite clumsy... but also VERY powerful. I don't think I have to tell you what a dangerous combination of traits THAT is. xD

Nah, we tossed around a few ideas, but nothing ever came of it.  I'm sure you'd be able to comeup with something better anyway!

Quote from: "Bella"

Quote from: "MaccasWell"I loved your phrase of not letting OS/360-tan near anything breakable, she sounds like a particular OS-tan that is quite clumsy herself.

She is quite clumsy... but also VERY powerful. I don't think I have to tell you what a dangerous combination of traits THAT is. xD

clumsy + powerful = SHOOPDAWHOOP~~

xD
oh i started another d'awwww drawing of 2200-chan holding hands with people.....only it turned into a unicef ad. xD

I'd like to think every idea for a character counts. :B

OS/360-tan IS FIRIN' HER LASARS~!

So... er... I thought up a few ideas for a Atanasoffâ€"Berry Computer-tan. Not much though, just that she'd be a drummer, and have a conflict with ENIAC-tan over being the first computer. She will also be the oldest Hardware-tan to date.

Anyone wanna help me design a Harvard Mark II, III and IV-tan...? The former's a Mottephobe! They're all Bahnies (http://www.universalhub.com/glossary/bahnie.html)-turned-Southinahs, so I'm sure there'd be hilarious accenting and cultural potential...!

Here are a few II-related images:
http://www.thocp.net/hardware/pictures/harvard_markII.jpg
http://www.computerhistory.org/collections/accession/102698414

A bit of info on III/ADEC:
http://ed-thelen.org/comp-hist/BRL-a-d.html#ADEC

Mark IV info:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harvard_Mark_IV
The only remaining piece of Mark IV? (http://www.computerhistory.org/collections/accession/XD6.75)

It would also seem that Harvard Mark IV-tan kinda/sort shares a name with a WWII-era plane (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T-6_Texan_variants)-- considering that it (the computer) was used by the Air Force, Harvard Mark IV-tan must be a pilot-- right?

oh wow, antique computer part!!

Unfortunately, I have few character ideas for the lot. ;.;

Anyhow, I've thought up a few ideas for a new hardware-tan (well, kun, actually)-- GE 600 Series (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GE_635)-kun
-A catch-all character representing the various GE 600 series mainframes. Sometimes known as Honeywell 6000 series-kun, Honeywell 6180-kun or DPS8-kun
-An architect (somehow referencing my original analogy of hardware equaling buildings in the OS-tanverse) known for designing elaborate mansions (=mainframes)
-Was originally a servant of GECOS-tan; later, he distanced himself from her in favour of Multics-sama's company (the most famous OS to run on the 600 series was Multics)
-Also well acquainted with DTSS-sensei (DTSS ran on the 600 series as well)
-Died sometime in the late 1990s; there has been an effort to resurrect him, however (the DPS8 Multics emulator project)

I see him as a tall, physically-average fellow, black hair, light eyes. He's less high-maintenance acting that some of his earlier siblings-- generally a no-nonsense and jovial type, in other words, the exact opposite of GECOS and Multics-sama.

Not much to say, but I like Stretch-tan's backstory! She should be a full-fledged superhero too! :)

I have a vague design in mind for Mark II-tan, but nothing concrete since I don't have a particular style/era of dress in mind yet. Probably something medieval-ish.

Mark III-tan I could imagine as a sea captain, as a throwback to the Mark III pic that was on Time Magazine, but even more old-fashioned. :-/

Can't seem to come up with anything for Mark IV though.

And here's a new assorted mainframe-tan pic I drew!


A work in progress, I'm almost done with coloring it, and will post the color version up when finished.

Love the sketches! Hmmm, so you've joined Stewart-san aboard the TSOS and OS/360-tan bandwagon? ^^ I love your sparkly-induced space-out MTS-tan, UMES-tan is looking like quite the proper old-timey lady, and VM/CMS-tan in PJs... tehehe! Love the teddy bear! :D

Thank'ee Aurora-hime! Considering NonStop OS-tans' telepathy, Colossus-tan's height and Stretch-tan's physical malleability, the three of them seem prime for their very own hero comic. xD

Those are good ideas for the Mark-tans; like the other military-tans of the day, I want to incorporate a mix of military uniform elements and historic fashion, but yeah... I don't have much past that. Mark IV-tan is probably the best "sketched out" in my mind-- at least I know she'll be a pilot and dress accordingly(ish).

I DO know a bit about Harvard Mark I-tan's relationship with her daughters; I imagine she would have loved them dearly and been torn to pieces to see them "taken" away from her and moved to a place as alien (at least to her culture) as Virginia. She was a spectacular empty-nester... :,(

Thanks! And yes, I've boarded the TSOS/ OS/360 bandwagon! Passive-aggressive, love-hate relationships FTW!

A bit more concretely, I had in mind Mark III-tan dressing partly as a 16th or 17th century sailor.

Awww... Poor Mark I-tan. :( Makes me want to draw a pic of the Mark-tan family before their separation!

OMG GUIZE I HAD AN IDEA

what if we made all the hardware male, and all the oses female (at least for antiques that called for it) cause they come together and work?

well...

that's a little sexist........and not taking into account gay and lesbian couples.....

Le gasp, you're a TSOSxOS/360 shipper too? I didn't even know they had a love/hate relationship, to be honest.

16th or 17th century style sailor dress would probably work quite well for Mark III-tan. I would like to see that drawing! At least once we have some solid ideas for the Harvard Mark children.

Haven't we always sorta worked under the assumption that most OS-tan are female and most program and hardware-tans are male? Well, I know of quite a few OS-tan/app-kun pairings, and there are at least a few OS-tan x OS-kun ships... but really no hardware-kun x OS-tan ships yet...

It does seem that OS-tan/app-tan and OS-tan/hardware-tan pairings are rather natural (you could say it's since an OS tend to works closer with programs and hardware than other OSes), but I don't think that OS-tans should strictly be female and hardware male, nor that these pairings should always be romantic (if only for variety's sake).

Here are my latest mainframe-tan sketches in color! (http://kattlanna.deviantart.com/art/Assorted-mainframe-OS-tans-164081635)

WHOO COLOUR!~

Shippers for the ship god!

Love/Hate in the sense that while their systems are somehow compatible, OS/360-tan is still an IBM supremacist (who is a little freaked out about the compatability thing) while RCA/TSOS just wants someone to be her friend.

Right, yes, no hardware-kun x OS-tan ships at all.  At least not official... or not yet....

Well, now the OS/360 x TSOS-tan ship makes a little more sense... lulz, this DOES sound like a deliciously strange couple. :3

IBM Supremacist? BLUE POWAH~!

Quote from: "Stewart-san"Right, yes, no hardware-kun x OS-tan ships at all. At least not official... or not yet....

Pray tell, art thou in possession of some pairing information of which we know naught? >:V

BTW, doth thee have any ideas for the Harvard Mark-tans as well? (They *are* kinda/sorta regional to you, after all.)

...

Speaking of regionalisms: I just dicovered that CP/M, the conceptual mother of all personal computer DOS OSes, was partially inspired by DEC's TOPS-10 OS. What's more: I just realised that a lot of the microcomputers (Apple I, Apple ][, C64, Ataris, etc.) can "trace their lineage" back to NH if you consider that they all implemented various forms of BASIC in their software (BASIC was invented in NH, and originally used in the DTSS OS).

I'm trying to connect every computer and OS back to New England. :B

Local patriots, oh lawl. -w-;

Bella: *HUGG*  REGIONALISM FUR-EV-UR!!

which reminds me of when i found out that the subject of the drinking song "lily the pink", lydia pinkham, is from lynn, mass. :3

lynn, lynn, the city of sin, you never come out the way you came in.....


technically, all computers orignated from ada lovelace. GO BUY THE TSHIRT--->
http://www.thinkgeek.com/tshirts-apparel/womens/dd9e/

Choco: AMEN TO THAT, SISTAH. O, how fortunate are we to live to live in the cradle of computer civilization! A fallen and lost civilization ours might be, but at least we have the honour of having shaped the computing world we live in today. *tear rolls down cheek*

Lynn, Mass! A childhood friend's professor uncle once told me a spooky campfire story about Lynn, Mass. that had me scared for a week. ;;

OMIGOD I WANT THAT SHIRT. :V :V :V Ada Lovelace is one of my heroes~!

And oh yeah, Stewart-san clarified a few things about OS-tan and hardware-tan ships... http://cptlfrghtr.deviantart.com/art/Love-and-the-Modern-Computer-164441750 xxD

sage, that was made of LAWLS I WANT MOAR

and bella, YOU'RE BECOMING LIKE MY LONG LOST SISTER MAN!! ;____; DOOD, SRSLY, MEETING. SRSLY, DOOD. xD

and the tshirt also has a marie curie version :3

ps. i wanna hear the lynn ghost story :3

Quote from: "Bella"Pray tell, art thou in possession of some pairing information of which we know naught? >:V

BTW, doth thee have any ideas for the Harvard Mark-tans as well? (They *are* kinda/sorta regional to you, after all.)

Always.  *sunglasses on* Yeaaaaaah!

Everyone from the Northern Neck is an unstoppable badass who should never be told their from Northern Virginia.

Is that the same story you were telling me?

Quote from: "Choco"sage, that was made of LAWLS I WANT MOAR

Glad you liked it.  But there are only so many ships! =O (actually it's been followed up with  psuedo-noir (http://cptlfrghtr.deviantart.com/#/d2pzub1))

well, you could break into the modernized" market. certianly there are OSes that work better with certian components.

or if you REALLY get bored you could write the long-lost love story of trendmicro-kun and Saseko-tan.....

yay. it continues. :3

Quote from: "Choco"sage, that was made of LAWLS I WANT MOAR

and bella, YOU'RE BECOMING LIKE MY LONG LOST SISTER MAN!! ;____; DOOD, SRSLY, MEETING. SRSLY, DOOD. xD

and the tshirt also has a marie curie version :3

Meeee toooo~

ITS CRAZY :V WE SHOULD HAVE A PICNIC AT LAKE WINNIPESAUKEE SOMETIME OR SOMETHING. :V  

Yey, Marie Curie is one of my favourite scientists ever~!

The Lynn story isn't about ghosts, it's about a bizarre chimera that was created by a mad scientist (nonsensical, yeah? But when you're 9 and being told the story by a Boston University professor around a campfire, it's a bit scarier). So yeah, the scientist's daughter gets killed... somehow... and for some reason he uses her corpse in an human/animal organ transplant experiment. Or something. Ends up creating a half-human half-bear creature, bipedal, 12 feet tall with glowing red eyes and a hellish woman's scream, who stays locked up in his lab until his untimely death. It gets loose and spends the next 20 years eviscerating campers and decapitating hikers out in the woods. The professor added this kicker: "I swear, if you look at the Lynn town records, there are a dozen instances of unexplained murders back in the woods. Always involving decapitations and disembowelment". Then I was like, scared crapless. xD

Quote from: "Stewart"Everyone from the Northern Neck is an unstoppable badass who should never be told their from Northern Virginia.

Is that the same story you were telling me?

Glad you liked it. But there are only so many ships! =O (actually it's been followed up with  psuedo-noir)

*scribbles down notes* The Harvard Mark-tans are all... unstoppable... badasses... check! Anything else I should know?

Yes, it is. XD

Hmm, there's still the Red-kun x OpenVMS-tan ship (although it's more of a pseudoship, since he's really more of a fake boyfriend), the Vi-kun x Unix-sama ship (although this one is more like a deflating life raft than a real "ship"), Multics x Emacs-kun, and the possibility of Honeywell 6000 Series-kun x Multics-sama (although I assume the two would be more like friends... or an old married couple. xD)

I gotta comment on that story, it's really awesome. ^^

Quote from: "Choco again"well, you could break into the modernized" market. certianly there are OSes that work better with certian components.

or if you REALLY get bored you could write the long-lost love story of trendmicro-kun and Saseko-tan.....

Like Apple hardware and Mac OSes? Heh, the Mac OSes would be forbidden by their company from associating with hardware-tans outside of their own culture. That would be lulzy. (Just got an urge to draw an iMac-tan, ugh!) D:

Why don't yooooooooou write that story, Choco-san? ^^

...

Anyway, I've been writing some sort of weird, history-bending treatise on various OS-tan and hardware-tan cultures around America. xD

...Also, I had a thought (all this talk of OS/hardware/software relationships gave me the idea)-- d'ye suppose that hardware, software and OS-tans are distinctly different species? I mean, they're all alike in that they're humanoid, but that they're essentially unrelated?

-(Computer) hardware-tans would almost always be mortal and age. Not nearly as quickly as humans, but they wouldn't be ageless like OS-tans either (since hardware is physical and prone to physical damage). Hardware-tans would have the most affinity with OS-tans (since hardware and OS directly communicate) and very rarely work with software-tans.

They were the first of the three groups to be created by humans, and have an existence spanning many decades (although earliest ancestors may have been created hundreds-- even thousands-- of years ago, depending on what you consider "computer hardware" to be).

-OS-tans can be mortal or immortal and are almost always ageless. As a species, they're more conducive to magic (sourcery if you will) because software tends to be more mailable than hardware (existing only as data-- information-- instead of being physical like hardware*). Equally cooperative with hardware and software.

They were created after hardware-tans, to do things (maybe that aforementioned magic?) that hardwares are incapable of.

-Software-tans are related to OS-tans, but still distant enough to be their own species. The same comments regarding mortality, aging and magic-conductivity that apply to OS-tans apply to software-tans. Typically regarded as a lower caste in the computer-tan universe, software-tans are generally dependent upon OS-tans for employment, companionship and ultimately survival (since you can't use a program w/o an OS to run it on).  They have very little contact with hardware-tans.

The last species, Firmware-tans, would be something akin to a cross of hardware and program-tan or OS-tan; they'd probably be the lowest class, but one of the largest, since firmware is used in almost EVERYTHING electronic. They usually play a support role for or intermediary between hardware and OS-tan.

I also imagine that only members of a certain species would be able to have children-- meaning that two OS-tans could, in theory, beget a lil' OS-tan, but that a software and OS-tan couldn't. (For instance, there have been rare cases when two OSes have been merged to create a third OS-- but since software, hardware and OS are so different, you could never cross any of the three and make a new product). Then again, there are some instances (typically historical) of hardware and OS being so closely connected that the result is a hybrid of the two-- but these were more likely the result of human creation than natural crossbreeding between species.

Sorry for that TL;DR: but I've always loved inventing new species and races and stuff. This was fun. ^^

*: I realise that software is physical too, but it only exists as data-- not an actual, palpable thing like hardware. You can't touch an OS any more than you can touch an idea.

Those ideas all sounds very good, even the part about the Mac-tans being forbidden from interacting with non-Apple hardware-tans.

But many of the vintage home computer-tans blur the line between hardware and software, representing not just the computer but the OS/BASIC it runs. So would they be considered both at the same time? Though I think they'd be more in line with the OS-tans, since these characters would also be cooperative with the software-tans.

Hope that doesn't interfere with that the Mac-tans (especially the Classic ones) are known to visit the vintage-tans from time to time! ^^;

First time in ages the demon joins in on serious OSC development plottery...WHAT WILL HAPPEN NEXT OwO

Quoted'ye suppose that hardware, software and OS-tans are distinctly different species?  I mean, they're all alike in that they're humanoid, but that they're essentially unrelated?

THIS.
If there's one thing one needs when producing any sort of material, it's order. Chaos plays a big role as well, but things need sorting out a lot more than they need shuffling around.

The hardware mortality is a good idea - especially since in the day of the now, not only do they suffer physical damage and degradation but all the more they become outdated. Thus recent hardware-tans will have to exist in extreme abundance, while very select few have actually aged well and remained "alive" and in use - although the hardware itself might not physically age very quickly, they mature and become obsolete very fast, and don't tend to live very long and/or break down at a young age. Easy fodder for TRAGEDY TRAGEDY TRAGEDY, the transience of hardware is.

OS-tans are wide in kind and number, and differ alot from each other - as natured by the difference in their code and usage of file systems, file types, etc. While software-tans are way more abundant, they always have to order themselves by family of end-user OSes; the caste system idea is a good idea indeed, and I would also like to lobby for conflicts over license usage (GPL vs closed source etc) among the families themselves. The Mac-tans as a supremacist familia of somewhat shut-in ladies and gents protected by Tiger SPs is an idea I endorse here, and only select families of software AND hardware -tans allowed to visit "the mansion"; the classics would most likely be less protected or even uncared for in the older cases, and the younger sisters may be rebellious from case to case - I don't know the Macs that well, though, so maybe leaving it to Aurora/Bella is a good idea in this case.

As for Firmware-tans, I don't know if they are entirely necessary - that'd mean that a classic iPod, for example, would have two -tans: the Hardware part, and the Firmware/OS part (which is the same, afaik) - and the same goes for your everyday gfx card as well. This seems highly redundant to me.

The Vintage-tans are a special case, both in -tan "biology" and capability - they were, after all, the origins, the Homo Erectus of computers, if you will - and and thus they are several of the things at once. It's not blurring the lines, since the lines were pretty much not invented at that time. Their evolution WAS the drawing of lines, so to speak. So rather than the HW-tans being "created" after the OS-tans, they would rather have been distinguished as of a different class than the OS-tans somewhere in the middle of the Vintage-tan evolution from computer-tan to multiple species, and since diverged further.

Some interesting events make for crossroading questions. For example, OS architecture porting (OpenVMS VAX to Alpha and Alpha to Itanium, for example) poses an interesting question. How is this to be considered in the element of the evolution of the OS itself? What is the difference, if any, between XP Pro and XP x64, or Mac OSX PPC and Intel? Is it constant among the differently platformed OSes?


As I'm writing this TL;DR, I realize I should REALLY start working on some OS-Tan fiction as soon as I get my stuff done and ready. Hope for a thread to be revived/rebooted somewhere during the summer, if all goes well. WRITERS READY UP~

I agree that hardware-tans would have widely varying lifespans, with time not just taking a physical toll but also an emotional toll for those old hardware-tans that were touted as the NEXT BIG THING when they were new.

But I don't see the Mac-tans as supremacists themselves, in fact they're very friendly with most others and have friends from different factions, but it's the security enforced by the executives that is, and forces them to be shut-ins for the most part.

When you're referring to the Classic-tans, are you referring to them being less (or not) 'protected' by the security --and giving them the freedom to be with others, though at the cost of protection from danger-- or the rest of the family, since I see the Mac-tans being a close-knit family despite major generation gaps. (This referencing the considerably large userbase of vintage Mac hobbyists who use both the Classic Mac OS and OSX in the present day)

I can certainly see Tiger-tan and Leopard-tan being the rebellious types though, and interact with 'unapproved' outsiders to challenge the the security guards.

As for OSes that can run on multiple architectures, I see it as an OS-tan being multi-lingual.

wow, i actually had to take notes on this. oh lawls.

let's see...

--the apple forbidden from mating with other -tans lends itself a romeo x juliet air in the case of emuii-tan and kyourou-kun, due to the fact that from fandom (and the comic i transcribed myself) has kyourou hopelessly in love with emuii-tan, and emuii returning his feelings to some extent. this makes for a very interesting story, no? :3 (although the only one i would think would be truely angry in the windows sect would be 95-tan; as for the mac side i figure the only ones NOT angry with this pairing would be sonata, apple II, apple I (may she rest in peace), and maybe system1-tan.)

--hardware morality makes sense. it also lends itself to that idea i had about the IBM army--lots of strapping young hardware-kuns charging off to battle with the other hardware types, thus ending their lifespan, leading to only a few straggling survivors in their old age.
-tragedy may be a good motif for this, although WE'D have to make up the parings, as there aren't exactly alot of canon hardware-tans/kuns.
-technically they are the oldest, as TECHNICALLY the first computer was created by ada lovelace, which was pure hardware. we could consider them "the original race", or something. they should at least garner some respect.
-i was going to consider firmware part of the limited "magics" held by the hardware species, but i like your idea MUCH better.

--the os-tans may be the most complex of the species to plan, as most of it is already planned out for us. this SEEMS simpler, but in reality this actually binds us to the set given.
-nej, i like your idea about the mac "famigilia". this (http://ostan-collections.net/imeeji/displayimage.php?album=7&pos=28) is pretty much how i've thought of the macs, so only "elite" software seems to fit this image. i also like the idea of the youngsters being "rebellious", though OSX-tan would probably be a little more traditional than OSX-kun or the OS9 set. (the italian flair also goes with the romeo/juliet thing i mentioned earlier ;D )
-i am wondering what sort of "magics" you meant, considering the software are a class in themselves. explain?
-the windows seem like they would be more laid-back, as with the usual setting for the windows houses, relaxed, japanese, and cozy. they would welcome even unlicenced software with open arms, though vista would ask permission first. xD
-the linux, considering they are rather scattered, seem like they'd be more like an underground group, having secret meetings, like communists in the 1950's. xD they would probably cater to mainly open-source/unlicenced software, and be a bit more stealthy in their dealings. they probably would not get along with other clans, if they got along with themselves.
-OSes are not immortal, if i remember right. i once read that apple 1 died, as did a few others. they might have impressive longevity, maybe even not able to succumb to natural causes (what IS "natural" for an OS??), but they CAN die.

--i like the idea of firmware-tans. i have an art book that reminds me of something that bella said about them:

Quote from: "Bella"ITS CRAZY :V WE SHOULD HAVE A PICNIC AT LAKE WINNIPESAUKEE SOMETIME OR SOMETHING. :V

no, not that, though we should. xD

Quote from: "Bella"they'd probably be the lowest class, but one of the largest, since firmware is used in almost EVERYTHING electronic.

the art book is called "Manga Matrix" (i reccomend it, $25), one of it's purposes is to help people plan stories. one of the samples i really took a shine to (actually helped inspire a potential comic of mine) and i think it would fit here.
the pages are here (http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i98/Chocofreak13/boundarysky1.jpg), here (http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i98/Chocofreak13/boundarysky2.jpg), and here (http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i98/Chocofreak13/boundarysky3.jpg) (the third one is just the unreadable text on #2.). I think the stateless people from the story would describe the firmware-tans quite well. (on another note, like the statless people, they are connected with the upper-class whether they like it or not [in this case the hardware-tans].)

--software-tans would most likely be of a lower class than the rest (but not as low as firmware). They are dependent upon OSes for work and purpose, for without OSes, they (technically) do not exist (though with disk-burning, this is subject to speculation). There would likely be 3 classes: Licenced, Unlicenced, and Freeware. (i suppose piracy could come into play as a 4th class, but me thinks they would fall under "unlicenced".) I'm thinking that Certian OSes would only hire certian Software; i'm thinking Mac would mainly hire Licenced (and very few at that), Windows would be equal-oppertunity, and Linux would cater mostly to Freeware.
-Software reminds me of a sort of assistant to OSes, like a boss and secratary (in certian cases).
-Applications and gadgets should fall under this catagory.
-Would malware fall under this catagory?

--I like the evolution theory for Vintage-tans, although this is slightly degrading in addition to being true; if we compare them to evolution, then as the "modern" OSes represent the evolutionary stage of today, Vintage would be farther down on the chain, as early homo sapiens, or perhaps even closer to our primate cousins.

--I vote we start a seperate species for Filetypes, as they are not software, not OS, and not anything else. i can't figure out where to place them, unless we start counting them as the "cells" of the OS, as they make up the OS itself.

also, i made a prototype hierarchy chart based on the one in the book.


hmm, i think i'm done with my arguements.

and bella, i like your idea about the picnic. there's a castle in my town; that also might make for a nice spot! ^^

I like the forbidden love idea between ME-tan and Mac OS9-kun. While the more laid-back Mac-tans and Windows-tans may approve, there'd be fierce opposition from 95-tan and OSX-tan.

The Windows Family is laid back, with the younger Windows-tans having grown up in peace and prosperity their whole lives. They'd be accepting towards various software-tans --though too accepting at times, to the point of risking their own safety--, but there a lot of secrets are being kept from them.

Their security, enforced by their executives are historical revisionists who have erased records of the family history before the OS Wars, so the Windows-tans know nothing of 1.0-tan, 2.0-tan, PC-DOS-tan, Xenix-tan, and OS/2-tan being a part of the family instead of an enemy. Poor MS DOS-tan, who is still part of the Windows Family, and remembers all of the family's history but is not allowed to speak of it!

I'm still iffy on the idea of the Mac-tan mafia since almost all of them are way too friendly for that (an exception maybe being the gun-toting System 7.5-tan), but do you think may be that way against their will?

The Linux-tans vary a lot. Some of them affiliate with the hard-lined 'elite' Unices, while others are eager to interact with anyone and don't care for stealth tactics, and some of them live as hermits and wanderers. The Unices as a whole are similarly diverse. But there are conflicts between the more elite, and more free Linux-tans.

I think the Vintage-tans would be in a class of their own, but as equals to the OS-tans.

The lifespan for an OS-tan is characterized by the OS's popularity when it was current, how much it continues to be used (if at all), and how well remembered it is.

In the case of Apple I-tan, she represents a fairly well-known computer that had an extremely limited run, but lives on in emulators and Apple I replicas being made currently.

Another case is Xenix-tan, an obscure Unix version from Microsoft. Wasn't widely used or remembered. She died in obscurity.

Even though the Commodore 64 is long-discontinued, C64-tan will live for a long time with all the emulators out there, including a fully licensed one for the iPhone!

However, some life/death cases aren't so clear-cut, or decided for story reasons. Like with Apple III-tan, representing a system that sold very poorly with a high percentage of defective units 30 years ago, and she's still alive!


EDIT: On the OS-tan wiki front page, I created a section for OS-tan theories and conjectures, and will add the evolutions and species theories. :)

very cool, thanks aurora-sama. ^^

given that the mac familt sports lisa, OSX, AND 7.5-tan, not to mention a brigade of overprotective catboys and close-minded office execs, the mafioso idea doesn't seem TOO far off.....

considering the vintages are OSes, they would probablyfall under that catagory. but there needs to be some explanations...
1. time warp
2. immortality
3. evolutionary
4. clones
5. suspended animation
6. ????
7. profit

Data does not age (kinda). Thus the only two deaths OS-tans (and vintages as well) are susceptible to would be death by complete extinction of all copies, OR the death of all supporting HW-tans (although emulation adds in an idea of possible OS NECROMANCY in this case).

Emulator-tans...now THAT'S a SW-tan class with some pretty big power, there. Necromancers/Spirit mediums much? -w-

I've thoroughly read through all this and will comment in-depth, but I'd like to add something: I decided to split these -tans into different groups exactly so I COULD avoid the problem of the evolution of OS-tans. Aside from evolution in social customs and outward appearances (clothing, etc), I'd rather not think about hardware/software/OS-tans evolving because I've always assumed that they were created by humans and are not some sort of natural phenomena within the OS-tan universe.

As for OS-tan deaths, death is usually caused by a diminished userbase-- OSes with the largest userbases are the healthiest, while those with very small or nonexistent userbases are dead. There are exceptions to this rule, of course-- Multics and SAGE-sama, for instance, should by all means be dead, but are considered alive for story purposes. Xenix-tan, on the other hand, could arguably be considered alive (since Xenix can be, and is, emulated) but she's dead for the sake of story purposes.

Also, when I speak of hardware-tans, I don't mean drones of nameless, random pieces of computer hardware-- I mean one -tan for each distinct computer system. Like there would be a first-gen iMac-tan (or -kun), an IBM PC-kun, a PDP-10-kun-- not a character for every single computer ever made, because that would result in bedlam rather quickly.

Standardization and clarification is needed much here -w-;

At least, if one is aiming for some sort of canon continuity. Some might not. -w-

bella: i suppose you're right about the hardware-tans, although for certian computers (and storyline purposes) having an army of clone-puters would be pretty cool.
as for os-volution, there must be SOME hints of it, whether it's a family line or OSes coming from other computers. unix to linux could be considered an os-volution.
i wonder if, for storyline purposes, viruses and malware could "kill" an OS-tan.
(ps. dost thou live in plymouth? :3)

nej: since when is this canon? WE keep the -tans alive now. which means WE make the canon stuff now.

I meant, if OUR canon is to have some sort of continuity within itself, and not just be a strange assortment of buttcheeks and waffle iron.

hmm, indeed, there has to be SOME organization. i think that may be what sparked this philosophical conversation of philosophy and os-tan
(or "On the OS-tan of Species").

yes, orginization is needed. but first we need to agree on what is being organized. we have os-tans, software, and hardware as separate species; we all agree on that it seems. i like the idea of firmware and filetypes as separate species as well. does everyone agree? and what to do about vintage-tans?

after that, there's the OS-volution debate. then we could probably start some organizing, cause then we'll know what we're dealing with.

I see the each of them as distinct but equally important species, with the vintage computer-tans being in a class of their own. Many of them had not just their own proprietary hardware, but also their own OS/BASIC, file formats, and ROM/firmware in one package.

There was some of that divergence in the 80's, with the DOS-tans and the Mac OS-tans, but it wasn't until the 90's that this became the norm and not the exception.

It was mainly due to MS DOS and the different Windows versions running on various hardware brands. The other major competitor was of course the Mac OS and its distinct hardware. This sacrifice of hardware+OS integration has the advantage of flexibility and adaptability, mainly for OSes that run on x86 architecture.

Sure, the Mac OS has always been confined to Apple hardware, but not just one particular model.

@ Aurora: microcomputer-tans would be what I described as "hybrids" of OS/software and hardware-tan. Since the OS/BASIC interpreter and hardware are SO closely connected (at least from a user viewpoint) to be almost inseparable. This will also come up a lot with very old OSes and computer-tans, from the days when there  was only a thin line of distinction between the hardware and the software controlling the hardware.

If you want to look at it from an evolution POV, I see them as the transitional species between hardware and OS-tan. The difference from being that evolution implies a transformation from simpler to more complex lifeforms, I don't think hardware-tans are less developed than OS-tans-- they look and act alike and have the same intelligence, it's just that OS-tans can manipulate "energy" or "magic" in ways that hardwares can't.

@ Choco: the evolution of Unix to Linux is more like a... bloodline... if you ask me. It's like talking about the evolution of yourself from your great-grandmother. (BTW, the Unix-tans and Linux-tans are supposed to be related; they're supposed to be roughly from the same "race" or culture, sort of like two people sharing the same country and customs being considered related).

I wouldn't dismiss armies of random hardware-tan masses for storyline purposes, but then again, there's not a lot I would dismiss for storyline purposes. It's not my place to tell people what they can and can't do for a story, just because it doesn't precisely match up with my vision of the OS-tan universe-- short of someone inventing new characters to replace existing ones, or radically re-writing established backgrounds for the characters, that is.

I like the Mac "mafia" idea, as for the Linuxes being like Commies... I actually think that they'd be quite the opposite. Sure, they ARE strongly socialistic, but they're also a very open, transparent culture and attach a lot of stigma to secrecy and shady dealings. If anything, the old school Unices would have have been more Communistic, not really philosophically but politically-- at least in their rapid takeover of vast amounts of "territory" through rather... underhanded... means. >.>

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Hey, guys, do you think we should move this discussion elsewhere? I mean, this thread WAS a staging area for new OS-tans...

BTW, I edited my post and went more in-depth about it, but I agree, Bella.

Still wanting to know about the Mac 'mafia', I don't think the Mac-tans are in it by choice, and they have to follow orders, or at least the OSX-tans do, since the 'protection' doesn't apply as much --or at all-- to the Classic Mac-tans. Speaking of which, I think the Classic Mac-tans have stayed in the House of Mac out of loyalty for the OSX-tans (even though most of the Classic-tans would actually be better suited as Vintage Federation members), and the OSX-tans are grateful but have not experienced any other upbringing aside from the 'protection' they live under so they have to comply with executive orders. :(

Internal Apple Familia oppression...I CAN SMELL THE PLOT. Z:3

Linux-commie idea seems a bit meh to me as well. If for nothing else then the fact that Linux/Torvalds TEH CREATOR is from Finland, one of the few countries in the area to actually manage escaping Sovietification back in the day (and well managing to kick quite a heap of ruski ass in the Winter War), I'd say it'd make for a good attitude against that sort of stuff.

Vintage class of its own is pretty much what I've been thinking but more on that later as this demon has SHITLOADS OF WERK.

Also it'd be more appropriate to continue the OS-volution etc discussion and stuff not related to this IBM topic in Aurora's new thread:[/size]
http://ostan-collections.net/viewtopic.php?t=1238

was going to post it here (had to take notes again, lawls) but moved to newly created thread. :3

Looks!  Something productive!  I think at least, that none of these Acorn-tans have been done before.

Arthur-kun:
-One of the failed predeccsors to RISC OS, generally seems to have taken his abandonment well
-Doesn't like using computers, depends on written notes (command line driven under the desktop based on MOS)
-Looks to MOS as a a mentor, wanted to be as succesful and loved as she was
-Typically gallant and cheerful, does tend to gloat something terribly over ARX
-Has a hard time working with other company's systems, sometimes just stopping talking (didn't work well with some programs)
-Resourceful, capable of accomplishing his tasks with almost nothing (stop gap until ARX was finished.... which never happened)
-Does oragami as a hobby (I don't know, it could run on a floppy as opposed to ARX's hard drive and 4 megs of space)
-Has the unpleasant habit of attracting insects (initial versions buggy, sooo)
-Sort of brother to ARX & RISC
-Status: Alive

Description: Has vivid eyes that change color, blonde like his closest sister, wears a double breasted suit with Acorn theme ties, carries oragami paper and a notebook somewhere on his person, keeps a pen behind his ear

ARX-tan
-Has an irrational hatred of corn, of all shapes and forms (kernel trouble, lol)
-Always sounds kind of, off
-Gets along with RISC OS, despite her being the reason she was abandoned
-Slows down further instead of running
-May or may not worship a poster of Archimedes the Greek
-Doesn't have all of her organs (OS was left incomplete) but seems to do fine without them
-Looks up to her more succesful Unix breathern across the pond, but largely shunned for her failure and.... odd personality
-Likes to play with other Acorn-tans, when they'll put up with her (Ran mostly in user mode)
-Seems to have multiple personalities; flipping between childlike and serious scientist
-Sort of sister to Arthur & RISC
-Status: Deceased

Description: Kind of short, wears her blonde hair in a variety of styles (because she can do it herself and without a lot of resources), dresses plainly but with an Acorn pin, track shoes (for teh irony)

PANOS-tan
-Lesser known BBC Micro OS
-Deals with the obscurity fairly well, compensates by speaking a multitude of languages
-Seems to have the ability to make herself disappear by channeling her disappointment
-Hangs out at Cambridge (also ran at the Acorn Cambridge Workstation)
-Very understanding and tolerant of workaholics and the obsessive compulsive
-Status: Unknown

Description: auburn hair, secondary school uniform, carries a satchel full of books and notes and packages of food for the college students, necklace with silver acorn charm

i posted an Acorn-tan awhile back. Forget where, but i KNOW i made one. As for Arthur, he was a pet owl for her. (or possibly squirell.)

Good concepts! The only Acorn-tan there was for a long time is RISC OS-tan. Arthur and ARX are listed in the original Annex Project thread, but Arthur was listed as being alive in the Binteeji Renmei.

I especially like ARX-tan and her oddness.

Quote from: "Choco"i posted an Acorn-tan awhile back. Forget where, but i KNOW i made one. As for Arthur, he was a pet owl for her. (or possibly squirell.)

I remember!  Mostly.  Though I'd thought it was for one of the specific-tans ^^;  Sorry....

Quote from: "Aurora"Good concepts! The only Acorn-tan there was for a long time is RISC OS-tan. Arthur and ARX are listed in the original Annex Project thread, but Arthur was listed as being alive in the Binteeji Renmei.

I especially like ARX-tan and her oddness.

Gotcha.  Now I just need to finish up TI's DX10 and MERT :D

Hooray!  ARX wins more playmates!

I'm working on sketches of the Acorn-tans right now. :)

i suppose mine could be a catch all for them.....

or maybe the family leader, like lisa for the macs? =\

Hm, and Arthur could have shape shifting ability to change into her owl.

yeees! xD

the acorn-tan i made was just to represent the acorn brand. she could juse be a random acorn, like that image of "just a random mac" (http://ostan-collections.net/imeeji/displayimage.php?album=7&pos=157) in the gallery. =\

Here are the Acorn-tans!

loving arthur and RICS. MUTTONCHOPS FTW

Wooo Acorns!  lolz @ ARX

colour soon? :3

if they are to match the -tan i made, brown hair and gold (?) eyes, with earth-toned clothing (evergreens and such).

:3

Interesting ideas, Stewart! I seem to share Arthur-kun's aversion to writing on computers/preferring to use notepads and his love of papercraft. If I were ARX-tan, I'd be more worried about not having ALL MY ORGANS, not hating corn. xD

And PANOS-tan is, a'ight I guess. She'd have to have some massive quirk to stand up to the first two, though... ^^;;

It does my Anglophile heart well to see such an adorable family of British OS-tans. <3 Oh course, RISC-tan is the prettiest of the group, but Arthur is quite handsome (mutton chops lol) and good to see ARX-tan being cheery... despite NOT HAVING ALL HER ORGANS. :V

Ah, I remember your Acorn-tan Choco. I especially like her pet owl, since pet owls = extreme winnage.

PS, Aurora, where's your IBM-tans drawing so we can comment on that? *waits expectantly*

._____. -standby mode-

Quote from: "Bella"Interesting ideas, Stewart! I seem to share Arthur-kun's aversion to writing on computers/preferring to use notepads and his love of papercraft. If I were ARX-tan, I'd be more worried about not having ALL MY ORGANS, not hating corn. xD

And PANOS-tan is, a'ight I guess. She'd have to have some massive quirk to stand up to the first two, though... ^^;;

It does my Anglophile heart well to see such an adorable family of British OS-tans. <3 Oh course, RISC-tan is the prettiest of the group, but Arthur is quite handsome (mutton chops lol) and good to see ARX-tan being cheery... despite NOT HAVING ALL HER ORGANS. :V

While I don't "write" on them often, I always carry a yellow legal pad with me.  You two clearly have different priorities.

:\ Yeah, she's the weakest of the three, in fact she almost got left off entirely.....

RISC is the original after all, designed by the great forefathers.  Looks kinda like David Tennet, but maybe thats just me.  But she has a brain so she can still know LOVE.

Another of my most recent works:

nice! love the magnetic tape part. xD

Hey, Arthur-kun does look a little David Tennet-esque. Weird. xD

OS/360-tan and TOS/360-tan are the lulz, but I feel sorry for TSS/360-tan and BOS/360-tan. D:

Hmmmm...... BBC SERIES HERE WE COME

Don't feel sorry for TSS, she'd disembowel you (so your unholy squishy organs could be replaced with 1/2" nine track and vastly superior tape driven ones) sooner then look at you.  BOS though.... kinda regret her back story, which will probably never get put anywhere.

DR. WHOs

...xD

FULLSIZE IMAGE GOES HERE (be warned, it is ginormous): http://www.deviantart.com/download/168134428/More_OS_tan_concepts_by_BellaCielo.jpg

Left to right:
Harvard Mark II-tan. Her personality is still pretty much unmapped, but I gave her some sort of weird, mutated 1800s sailor uniform. Y'know, cause she's a Navy computer-tan...?

Harvard Mark IV-tan. She's wearing an outfit inspired by a WWII high altitude bomber outfit I saw in this fashion book I found (well, not so much fashion as a history of American civil and military attire), but a lot... poofier. She's a pilot, btw.

Apache HTTP Server-tan. She's heavily inspired by an earlier design for an Apache-tan:


I have a few ideas for her personality: having a like mind and many of the same goals, she and Linux-tan are excellent friends and good partners (in fact, they teamed up to secure much of the server market). Wears futuristic but vaguely Southwestern and Native American inspired clothing.

Last and least, a couple of hardware-tans I drew for the heck of it: Aluminum iMac (http://mactoids.com/imac-history/imac-2ghz-intel-core-2-duo-20-inch-ma876ll/)-kun and the "floating display" iMac (http://mactoids.com/imac-history/imac-700mhz-powerpc-g4-15-inch-flat-panel-m8672llb/)-tan. The former is rather tall, thin, dresses simply, has greying black hair and wears mirrored sunglasses (mimicking the iMac's highly reflective screen) and a beret. The latter is somewhat tall, has wide hips (see the design of the computer to get what I'm referencing) and dresses mostly in white.

They look good!

Mark II's uniform reminds me of a mix of styles from between the 1500's and 1800's.

For her personality, she'd be a great navigator and mathematician (as addition and multiplication times were 2.6x and 8x faster than the Mark I respectively), and also be the crazy-prepared type equipped with a tool box or tool belt at all times (had built-in hardware for several functions).

Like with the rest of the Harvard Mark series, she follows their family's traditions and philosophies (referencing the 'Harvard Architecture') but does her work under a strange set of strict rules which work, but aren't as efficient. So she does get the job done, but gets stuck on smaller details.

Mark IV looks really cool too. Her suit is so poofy and feathery!

Apache-tan looks cute and confident!

The iMac-kun and iMac-tan give off hipster vibes, but in a good way.

well, mac WAS depicted as a hipster in all the commercials. xD maybe it's fitting. if there's coffee to be spilt on them, it's BETTER be starbucks. xDD

they all look lovely as usual. i must apologize for not posting those icons i promised you guys yet, i have found myself caught up in planning out a tabletop rpg game for me and my friends. once that is over, i should have more time on my hands, enabling me to FINALLY draw those up. ^^;

keep up the good work, unlike mee..... ;___;

Oh hipster Macs, so appropriate.

Apache HTTP Server-tan, my old friend, we meet again.  She runs our school e-mail system.  Poorly.  But she has been doing better recently, and her -tan is adorable.

like ME, even if she doesn't do well, she tries. ^^

I think its more the aging equipment and poor cooling of the servers that were causing problems.

For some reason all I can think of is Mark IV-tan with a flak jacket....

@Aurora: Mark II-tan's outfit was actually very loosely inspired by the uniform the USS Constitution tourguide was wearing when we toured the ship. Maybe it's because it was a woman wearing a man's uniform, but everything looked very loose and puffy... somehow, this design mutated out of it. ^^ Your personality ideas sound about right, I'll buy it!

Fun fact about the Harvard Architecture! The modern x86, MIPS and PowerPC processors are considered to be a modified version of the Harvard Architecture... so, I guess Macs and PCs have a common ancestor after all? xD

Poofy and feathery are about my two favourite adjectives in the English language~

Is anything less to be expected from Linux-tan's trustworthy sidekick? ^^

Re: the iMac-tans hipsterness: yep, that's exactly the look I was going for. Mac hardware is designed to be aesthetically pleasing, it seems natural that the Mac hardware-tans would have to be rather appearance-conscious themselves...

@Choco: Take your time on the icons, there's no race to finish them... ^^'

@Stew: from what I've read, Apache is a pretty stable program (it must be if something like 60% of servers run it)... so it seems likely that it would be a hardware thing.

Mark IV-tan in a flak jacket?! Is Virginia really that dangerous for a Northinah?! ;O;

Here's a sketch debuting Harvard Mark III-tan:



Also includes Mark II, I added a tool belt, and her shirt is modeled after the Mark II computer (or a part of it. Based off a reference picture).

Mark III-tan has hair-curlers since they're vaguely drum-shaped. Wanted to include a reference to Mark III's usage of drum memory...

@Bella: No, but what bomber crewman is fully dressed without armor?

@Aurora: lulz

Really cool Aurora! I like the shirt + toolbelt you have Mark II-tan, and I was actually wanting to give Mark III-tan a certain... Continental Army-esque flair (seemed fitting, given her Bostonian/Virginian heritage and all) so she looks right on the mark too. :D

Exec-sama's expression is quite lolworthy, but she's perfectly correct in her observations-- I've often been a bit confused at the anachronisms in OS-tan outfit design myself. If you think about it though it makes sense... for a long time EXEC was the oldest drawn OS-tan, thus her Medieval clothing. But as we "discovered" and drew older and older characters, it would have gotten boring really quickly if we stuck to a strict timeline of clothing, drawing them in Middle Ages-style, then Byzantine, Roman and Greek, Mesopotamian... and finally bear skins and leather. ^^;;

Thanks! When designing Mark III-tan, I instantly had in mind she'd have hair-curlers and carry around a drum, so here she is, Mark III the Revolutionary War drummer!

BTW, decided on any color schemes for the Mark-tan family?

Anachronistic fashion FTW, though I thought the OS-tans from the 40's and 50's would all wear massive, fancy dresses and hairstyles that'd need a lot of maintenance, but this works too.

It's interesting that over the years, there are more older and older OS-tans being drawn, and there had been anachronisms since the beginning actually, though they weren't that widespread at first.

With the early OS-tan canon, 95-tan was the oldest and dressed in a kimono, popular 19th century fashion. Then debuted 3.1-tan, though curiously MS-DOS-tan who was part of this original early canon dressed as a modern schoolgirl, and NT-tan dresses modernly too.

And I still remember when Apple II was the oldest of all the characters, then UNIX, and then Multics! Then I was amazed to see that there were OSes even older than that... now we have OS-tans for the 1940's computers!

QuoteBut as we "discovered" and drew older and older characters, it would have gotten boring really quickly if we stuck to a strict timeline of clothing, drawing them in Middle Ages-style, then Byzantine, Roman and Greek, Mesopotamian... and finally bear skins and leather. ^^;;

I'm getting flashbacks from Chrono Trigger now. Prehistoric lulz -w-;

@nej: ayla-tan. xD
@everyone else: loving the art, and as of yet we do not have a -tan for that computer that was under so much debate, the one from the early 30's germany? began with a z.......

No idea, I remember it being discussed...  The thought of making a God Machine-tan keeps kicking around in the back of my brain.

Quote from: "Aurora Borealis"
BTW, decided on any color schemes for the Mark-tan family?

Anachronistic fashion FTW, though I thought the OS-tans from the 40's and 50's would all wear massive, fancy dresses and hairstyles that'd need a lot of maintenance, but this works too.

It's interesting that over the years, there are more older and older OS-tans being drawn, and there had been anachronisms since the beginning actually, though they weren't that widespread at first.

With the early OS-tan canon, 95-tan was the oldest and dressed in a kimono, popular 19th century fashion. Then debuted 3.1-tan, though curiously MS-DOS-tan who was part of this original early canon dressed as a modern schoolgirl, and NT-tan dresses modernly too.

And I still remember when Apple II was the oldest of all the characters, then UNIX, and then Multics! Then I was amazed to see that there were OSes even older than that... now we have OS-tans for the 1940's computers!

Mark I's colour scheme is gold and olive, with white and blue accents, Mark II's is black and white, Mark III's will probably be Continental Army inspired, so red, dark blue and off-white and Mark IV's is copper and beige for the most part. This is for outfits, mind you... I'm not sure about their eye/hair colours. Those would probably run somewhere in the gold/copper/brown spectrum...

On first inspection, it seems as if the older the OS-tans get, the more complex they should become... and could be true, if you consider the HUGE size and complexity of the machines in the 40s and 50s. But, if you want to look at it from another POV... the computers of that era could be argued to be LESS complex since they existed mostly as hardware, with little or no software involved. Less complex computers = less complex OS-tans.

Now, the mainframe of the 60s on the other hand... those now only employed large computers, but some fairly complex software as well. It was a true "rococo" period for the OS-tans and hardware-tans, something that should show up in their designs. (And just like the RL rococo period, it would later be abandoned in favour of simplicity and utilitarianism).

Yeah! I remember noticing how the older Windows-tans were dressed historically-looking too. In fact, I even played this up with one of my old drawings of 3.1-tan... http://bellacielo.deviantart.com/gallery/#/du90mu XD

It's amazing how our perspective on "old" in the OS-tan world keeps getting broader... for a long time, I considered Unix to be the oldest "real OS" and didn't even acknowledge the existence of Multics, an older but arguably more advanced OS! Learning about Multics is what gave me a new POV on old OSes and computers, and inspired me to research ever older ones.

Now, we've ventured into the exotic realm of Hardware... the land before OSes so to speak. I wouldn't be surprised if, in a years time, we're conceptualizing Antikythera Mechanism- and Analytical Engine-tans. ^^''

@Stew: God Machine? D'ye mean the Large Hadron Collider "God Machine" or the Lynn Mass "God Machine"?

@Kari: You're thinking of the Zuse Z1 computer.

thanks! :3

I CLAIM ANTIKYTHERA-TAN

and i think that maybe a more complex outfit, with a less complex personality (as in bigger outside, smaller inside) would work well to describe the older -tans.

I view it the opposite way... the hardware-based computers of yore were very utilitarian, with almost no attempt to make them look "good". But they were the most complex machines in the world at the time, which means the hardware-tans were probably far from simple personality-wise. To make a RL parallel, think about humans, who have changed very little mentally and emotionally in over 10,000 years (of course, our knowledge is greater now, but our mental "hardware" remains almost unchanged).

Quote from: "Bella"
Mark I's colour scheme is gold and olive, with white and blue accents, Mark II's is black and white, Mark III's will probably be Continental Army inspired, so red, dark blue and off-white and Mark IV's is copper and beige for the most part. This is for outfits, mind you... I'm not sure about their eye/hair colours. Those would probably run somewhere in the gold/copper/brown spectrum...

Okay. I was asking because I was planning on drawing them on color. For most of the mainframe-tans, I'm not sure about their color schemes.

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On first inspection, it seems as if the older the OS-tans get, the more complex they should become... and could be true, if you consider the HUGE size and complexity of the machines in the 40s and 50s. But, if you want to look at it from another POV... the computers of that era could be argued to be LESS complex since they existed mostly as hardware, with little or no software involved. Less complex computers = less complex OS-tans.

I see. Those computers look so unwieldy, but removing software from the equation simplifies using it. After all, computers back then had very specific purposes too.

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Now, the mainframe of the 60s on the other hand... those now only employed large computers, but some fairly complex software as well. It was a true "rococo" period for the OS-tans and hardware-tans, something that should show up in their designs. (And just like the RL rococo period, it would later be abandoned in favour of simplicity and utilitarianism).

Nice parallels! Not to mention that the 60's era OS-tans were more ambitious, but tended to be prim and stuffy as a whole.

Yet... like with the RL 1960's, there were rebels --including a hippie-- sticking it to the establishment! Their stuffy ideals are oppressive and cramping our style, man!

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Yeah! I remember noticing how the older Windows-tans were dressed historically-looking too. In fact, I even played this up with one of my old drawings of 3.1-tan... http://bellacielo.deviantart.com/gallery/#/du90mu XD

Your art style has changed so much in 3 years, but that pic still looks very nice. :)

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It's amazing how our perspective on "old" in the OS-tan world keeps getting broader... for a long time, I considered Unix to be the oldest "real OS" and didn't even acknowledge the existence of Multics, an older but arguably more advanced OS! Learning about Multics is what gave me a new POV on old OSes and computers, and inspired me to research ever older ones.

Glad you acknowledged Multics, huh? :) I remember when she was originally intended to just be mentioned as Unix's mother and that was it, but her creation as a full-fledged character not only created a very rich backstory for her, but has also led to many more historical OS-tans and the interactions among them being created.

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Now, we've ventured into the exotic realm of Hardware... the land before OSes so to speak. I wouldn't be surprised if, in a years time, we're conceptualizing Antikythera Mechanism- and Analytical Engine-tans. ^^''

We'll probably get to that point! :)

@bella: i was thinking of the hardware as the exterior. fancy ball gowns, pearls, ruffles, giant hair, ect. if you compare people of the past with what we wear now, we're much less fancy.

in turn, alot of the newer OSes are much "smarter" in terms of they're up-to-date with the latest technology.

of course, this is entirely for storyline purposes, and, being that i have just possibly insulted 95-tan (one of my favourites) i repeal all that i have said. ^^;

on a different note, i have FINALLY gotten around to drawing those icons. currently in the process of colouring with gimp. xD

SRSLY CHECK OUT THE FULLVIEW (http://www.deviantart.com/download/169698851/Some_sketchy_designs_by_BellaCielo.jpg)

L-to-R:

NSA Security Enhanced Linux-tan (what it sounds like: a very secure Linux kernel. According to alt.folklore.computers, it employs many security features taken from Multics).
-Represents the kernel itself, not a particular distro
-Looks like Linux-tan, but with some notably Multicsesque twists
-Created by the NSA, but doesn't necessarily work for the organisation
-No skin showing, aside from face
-Wields a spear and impressive cyber armour (akin to forcefields) for self defense
-Multics-like in power and fighting skills, but less personable than her role-model
-Distrustful and prickly to get along with
-Refuses to accept food and drink from others, always carries a flask on her (points to whoever gets the FLASK reference)


IBM 7090 series-kun (according to old-computers.com, the 7090 was more or less a solid-state version of the AN/FSQ-7 computer. Notable for being the platform on which CTSS and BESYS ran).
-The brother or son of AN/FSQ-7-kun/tan, smaller and more refined than his relative
-Intellectual, but personable and accessible
-An amateur scientist
-Likes wearing striped clothing
-Friends with CTSS and BESYS-tan
-Alive today in the form of emulators (?)

Honeywell 6000 series-kun (you know him already)

XP Pro-tan wearing Nlite. “I feel so light and freeeeeeeee!”

Apollo Guidance Computer/Luminary-tan (as the name suggests, this was the computer used for navigation on the Apollo moon missions. Was a very light and small computer for its time, as well as one of the first to use the integrated circuit).
-Navigator for the Apollo Command and Lunar Modules
-Has a daring attitude and cool head under pressure
-More adventuresome and mobile than the other OS-tans of the time
-Dresses relatively lightly in a spacesuit-inspired outfit
-Shares a birthplace and creator with SAGE (that's MIT and Margaret Hamilton, respectivly)
-Has a generally good-natured and light attitude
-Likes the game of pinball
-Alive in the form of emulators and hobbyist models (?)

EMAG III-tan (worlds largest homemade computer. It played checkers and was an entry in the 1959 National Science Fair).
-Very tall*
-Has a cheerful and girlish, if not slightly simple-minded, personality
-Infectiously happy
-Likes the game of checkers, a LOT
-Wears simple dresses, handmade accessories made of vacuum tubes and wires
-Native of Iowa, but is fond of MIT (David Ecklein credits time spent at an IBM research lab and an advisor from MIT Lincoln Labs as inspiration for building the machine)**
-Probably would've been fond of DTSS, GENIAC, Tynix and other generally good-natured OS-tans

* I don't know if she should be tall on a human scale (say, 7 feet or whereabouts) or a giant, literally as tall as the computer was (like 20 feet tall). Maybe I'll cop out and say she can change height? *shrugs*
** MIT is fast becoming the Massive Dynamic of the computeriverse, every new discovery I dig up can be traced, SOMEHOW, back to that place. D:

Yeah! NSA Linux-tan looks totally kick***, from her pose, to her expression, and the style of her clothes!

IBM 7090-kun and Honeywell 6000-kun both look very charming.

XP-tan is dressing even more skimpy than usual! XD

Is Nlite some sort of minimalist XP interface?

AGC-tan has a really cool and poofy and futuristic-looking outfit, and I like her attitude! :D

Awesome! Glad I'm not the only one who thought that EMAG III should be personified! Considered drawing her yesterday but never got to it, but your design agrees with what I had in mind- extremely tall, wearing high-heels, metal accessories and a checkered skirt! For her height, I originally thought she should be about as tall as Barbie Linux-tan, if not a little taller.

I'm back!  I'm back because my universe-wide network of spies informs me there are indications Luminary-tan may be created.  This is wonderful news!

;262

Plus, it's nice to see Bella and Ms Borealis again!  Hello!  "Hello!" to everyone else, as well.

;hi

=^..^=

NSA Linux-tan looks like the sort of person you don't want to mess with, even without you know the forcefields, armor, or spear.

Anyone who likes stripes, which certainly includes pinstripes, is a solid fellow in my book.  Actually, I've never really thought much about a single AN/FSQ-7-tan/-kun.  I just had all the different DC/CC and their AN/FSQ-7's being personifiyed as individuals.....

Honeywell 6000, as solid as ever.

XP-Pro: Exactly what she needs, less clothing

Ah!  AGC-tan!  So there was something behind that comment on DA beyond simple information.  Wow, a stable -tan from MIT/Lincoln Labs, that's unusual

Checkers!

**Don't say that too loud >>

holy crap, it's a mister cat!! GET THE NET!! ^^

umm, the icons are almost ready, slight setback due to faulty-ness of gimp last night (it froze and i couldn't save).

oh and bell, i liek it. the linux looks like BADASS OF DOOM.
luminary tan looks fun. like a jester! ^^

MisterCat! Hey, if I'd known it would just take a Luminary-tan to get you back to OSC, I'd have made one a long time ago. :P

Re: NSA Security Linux-tan: yep, she's an badass with or without her weapons. She has the fire of a Unix-tan and the sheer power of a Multics-like... which makes for a pretty intimidating combination.

Another note; despite being created by a rather secretive organisation, she's an avid open-sourceress and has the honesty and openness of any other Linux-tan. ^^

Re: IBM 7090-kun: It's funny how much stripes show up in the designs of CTSS-sama and 7090-kun; in CTSS' case, they were a reference to the Candystripe Manuals (the operation manuals for CTSS, IIRC), in 7090's case, they refer to the actual design of the computer (the front panel of which has broad light and dark grey stripes). For the record, stripes are my second favourite-- after spirals, of course. ^^

As for an AN/FSQ-7-tan/kun, I don't have any ideas either so I'll buy your one character for each DC/CC installation scheme.

Other interesting news: it turns out the original Multics machine, the GE 635 (which evolved into the Honeywell 6000) was, quote, "very similar" to the IBM 7090. It was also a modified version of the GE M236, a computer built for the MISTRAM tracking system (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MISTRAM). (Thanks for all this info, random wikiwalk!)

Re: XP Pro: Nlite is a utility that removes certain components of Windows OSes, allowing a person to make their own custom install CDRs (and more lightweight Windows installations). Less clothing for a reason! She's trying to run lighter, of course! xD

Re: AGC/Luminary-tan: I was aiming for a mix of spacesuit, circus ringmaster and court jester. Something that hinted a streak of mischief and adventure, to separate her from the typically stuffy and baroque -tans of that era.  

Well, granted, at the time I made that random comment I didn't really have an idea for a AGC-tan. ^^; I just wanted to share this amazing newfound info with someboddddddy~ :U

Re: EMAG III: The moment I saw the EMAG III, I KNEW it was rife with -tanning potential. And it's good to hear we're on the same wavelength when it comes to her design. ;010

NSA-tan is a scary combination! At least she doesn't have Unix's notoriously short temper, right? o_o

I actually wasn't expecting NSA-tan to be the honest, open type despite being a Linux-tan!

Oh! Nlite makes Windows itself smaller! ^^;

Luminary-tan's outfit has the most bizarre yet awesome combination of fashions, and I like that she's one of the more daring and rebellious OS-tans of the 60's too!

BTW, is EMAG III-sama still alive?

Quote from: "Bella"As for an AN/FSQ-7-tan/kun, I don't have any ideas either so I'll buy your one character for each DC/CC installation scheme.

Sold!

7090-kun: Another link in the chain of Multics and SAGE's sort of relationship.  MISTRAM and AZUSA-tan.... damnit, my list keeps getting bigger.

AGC-tan: Well, you did put it to good use eventually so I'll let you off on this one

@Aurora: no, NSA Linux-tan has a pretty cool temper. Most people are surprised at her openness, given her current associations. ^^'

A little smaller, I guess.

AGC was a fairly strange computer for the time, seems fitting that her -tan follows suit.

Sadly, I don't think EMAG III-sama's still alive. ):

@Stew: Yep, the 7090 seems to be the only RL connection between SAGE and CTSS and therefor Multics. You supply the MISTRAM-tan, I'll supply the GE M236-kun!

Speaking of Multics associations, I MUST make a VisiCalc and MRDS-tan now (google them).

It might be a while before I do any more -tan's.... because it's summer and I'm lazy.  Though we shall see.

Quote from: "Bella"
Sadly, I don't think EMAG III-sama's still alive. ):

Awwww. :(

I don't know how long ago she died(?), but I'm sure she would have lived long enough to meet GENIAC-chan , but sadly that would have happened right before GENIAC's abandonment by her last caregiver in the early 1960's.

And at least for story purposes, she may have also met DTSS-sama in the 60's as well, and also live long enough to meet Tynix-chan in the mid 1970's.
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I started sketching this on the 4th, but here it is! The first batch of IAS family-tans! IAS Machine-sama was already drawn by Bella before, but now here she is with three of her daughters, including the family outcast!

Looks like everyone had a fine Independence Day!  Well, except ILLIAC of course..... ILLIAC HOORAY!  Not even a visit from BESM can bring IAS (she has snacks, excellant detail Aurora-hime) down on her favorite holiday

GENIAC has a succsessor!  A couple of months ago I came across Digi-Comp I on a wikiwalk and knew there was great potential there.  Sure it took a lot longer then I expected, but at least I'm dipping into the list of unpersonified systems on my list.

Digi-Comp I & II-tan
-Tends to push herself to exhaustion doing math problems (It would be possible to do many of the same things comparable electronic computers could do, a FullSize!Digi-Comp would just be a lot bigger and slower)
-Wants to be taken seriously by the digital computers (First real mechanical binary computer, very capable despite being a "toy")
-Can only say "Yes" or "No", which doesn't really help her make her case (First real binary mechanical computer, so she get's stuck with a verbal handicap)
-Makes wire sculptures, unfolds paperclips, generally plays around with anything thin and mettalic
-Seems to be found of logic puzzles and brain teasers, as far as anyone can tell.
-Has a passion for bowling (Digi-Comp II used a rolling ball to for power)
-Is an elementary school teacher in her native New Jersey.
Status: Alive in both emmulator, Digi-Comp I 2.0, and a wide fanbase for the original Digi-Comp I & II

Physical: Appears much younger then she actually is (18/19) and a bit on the short side (maybe 5'3"), has bright red eyes behind wire frame glasses, white hair in a ponytail (may suffer from albinisim), when teaching prefers turtlenecks and long skirts, at home usually wears tank tops and jeans but always wears flip-flops (three mechanical flip-flops, 'nough said)

F-five foot six is s-short? *runs off crying* ;O;

Seconded! Considering 5'6" to be short is just making my Napoleon Complex wor-- shouldn't have said that out loud! ^^;

Btw, when did Digi-Comp debut?

Aw, don't have a Napoleon Complex! 5'5'' is above the national average for women. (Which is 5'4'', btw.)

My brother says tall for women starts at 5'6''. ^//^

I'm sorry everyone!  Sometimes I don't think about proper average heights for the different genders.  I have realized my data transcription error and the information has been corrected, and apologies have been mailed to every female I know who is 5'6" or there abouts.  It's a lot more then you'd think.

Digi-Comp I in 1963 (v2.0 in 2005) and Digi-Comp II in ~1967

BELLA, AURORA, IT'S OK *HUGG* I'LL CROUCH SO YOU FEEL TALLER ;____;

and i have an urge to draw some, so i may claim some soon. ^^ i also have an urge to draw a leapster fly-tan. .___.;

IAS-tan pic, colored!:

http://ostan-collections.net/imeeji/albums/userpics/10307/IAS_family1color.jpg

Creative speller. Lulz. -w-

always my favourite out of that pic. xD

Hey, I remember when I asked if you could draw an ILLIAC-tan a few months back Aurora. ^^ Glad to see she's finally come to fruition, along with a suitably quirky looking ORDVAC and IAS-tan too! I sort of forget BESM's story, though. *runs off to brush up on Von Neumann-tan family history*

Quote from: "Stewart"Digi-Comp I & II-tan
-Tends to push herself to exhaustion doing math problems (It would be possible to do many of the same things comparable electronic computers could do, a FullSize!Digi-Comp would just be a lot bigger and slower)
-Wants to be taken seriously by the digital computers (First real mechanical binary computer, very capable despite being a "toy")
-Can only say "Yes" or "No", which doesn't really help her make her case (First real binary mechanical computer, so she get's stuck with a verbal handicap)
-Makes wire sculptures, unfolds paperclips, generally plays around with anything thin and mettalic
-Seems to be found of logic puzzles and brain teasers, as far as anyone can tell.
-Has a passion for bowling (Digi-Comp II used a rolling ball to for power)
-Is an elementary school teacher in her native New Jersey.
Status: Alive in both emmulator, Digi-Comp I 2.0, and a wide fanbase for the original Digi-Comp I & II

Physical: Appears much younger then she actually is (18/19) and a bit on the short side (maybe 5'3"), has bright red eyes behind wire frame glasses, white hair in a ponytail (may suffer from albinisim), when teaching prefers turtlenecks and long skirts, at home usually wears tank tops and jeans but always wears flip-flops (three mechanical flip-flops, 'nough said)

Oh lawd, Digi-Comp and have the same tendency to math till we drop. xD;; Her fondness for bowling and odd manner of speaking is really interesting too. I like your ideas for her physical appearance, she'll be the second albino-looking OS-tan (besides Unununium-tan).

And hey, we've finally found another NJ-ite OS-tan beside Unix-sama and Plan 9-chan. >>

QuoteI'm sorry everyone! Sometimes I don't think about proper average heights for the different genders. I have realized my data transcription error and the information has been corrected, and apologies have been mailed to every female I know who is 5'6" or there abouts. It's a lot more then you'd think.

No biggie. ^^; I've pretty odd outlooks on height too, I tend to use myself as a standard and anyone a few inches above me is automatically "tall" and anyone a few inches below is "short". Which might make slight sense if I only applied this logic to other women... but I use these standards for men, too. xD

EDIT: AH, that's right, BESM is the Soviet IAS clone-thingy. ^^

lol. digi comp is so cute. ^^

Quote from: "Bella"Oh lawd, Digi-Comp and have the same tendency to math till we drop. xD;; Her fondness for bowling and odd manner of speaking is really interesting too. I like your ideas for her physical appearance, she'll be the second albino-looking OS-tan (besides Unununium-tan).

And hey, we've finally found another NJ-ite OS-tan beside Unix-sama and Plan 9-chan. >>

No biggie. ^^; I've pretty odd outlooks on height too, I tend to use myself as a standard and anyone a few inches above me is automatically "tall" and anyone a few inches below is "short". Which might make slight sense if I only applied this logic to other women... but I use these standards for men, too. xD

EDIT: AH, that's right, BESM is the Soviet IAS clone-thingy. ^^

Colors!  They're even more adorable!

Better then doing other things 'til you drop.  It must be interesting to be one of her students, of course she can use the important words for dealing with elementary age children (Ah yes, Unununium-tan.  Albino's unite!)

Perhaps a Jersey Shore party is in order.  Without the douchebags hopefully, maybe around Cape May.

Despite being of average height (5'10) I manage to have somewhat of a Napoleon complex.  Probably from everyone else being so friggin tall!

Well, built to Von Neumann specs at least.

Jersey Shore party? Lemme get my bio-hazard suit and breathing apparatus and I'll join you!

But 5'10'' is a nice height, it's tall but not too tall. ^^

wait, before the party, lemme round up some of my old classmates--they sure as hell would belong there. xD

eager to see digi-comp's icon. ^^

Oh wau, an actual IBM-tan:

IBM Selective Sequence Electronic Calculator (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Selective_Sequence_Electronic_Calculator) (aka SSEC, Poppa)-tan

-Born 1948, died 1952 (ouch)
-Harvard Mk. I-tan's younger sister/cousin/step-relative/thingy
-Physically, if not also mentally, swifter than her relative
-A New Yorker
-Beautiful, was kept "on display" at IBM's HQ for all to see
-An astronomer, claims to have worked on the Apollo Missions
-Last of her "species"-- electromechanical computers
-Copper-coloured hair, red eyes, dresses in ancient fashion but with a very flashy - and distinctly modern - flair. (Why? See below)


Raytheon (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raytheon) (company info)RAYDAC (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RAYDAC) (computer info)-tan:

-Born 1949, debuted 1953
-Spent her early life in Waltham, Mass; also familiar with Lexington and Cambridge (Raytheon was HQ'd in all three cities)
-Worked at the Naval Air Missile Test Center in Point Mugu, CA
-A weapons magnate (Raytheon is a weapons contractor)
-Lady of war (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/LadyOfWar), probably wielded some sort of (ancient-looking) shoulder-mounted missile weapon
-Dresses vaguely medieval-like, lots of crystal accents
-Fair skin, eyes and hair, dresses in light colours
-Hair worn up and arranged in a "bar" at the back of her head (reminiscent of marine radar antenna)

Lastly, I've discovered another Lost Computer Society: Control Computer Company, inc. (http://www.series16.adrianwise.co.uk/history/ccc.html) (CCC, 3C). Seems to have existed before the rise of actual OSes, any -tans will be hardware or hardware/software hybrids.
-Based in Framingham, Mass.
-Founded 1953, bought by Honeywell in '66
-Founded by the designer of the Raytheon RAYDAC
-The Honeywell Kitchen Computer was based on 3C designs
-Noted for their DDP series minicomputers
-Was on par with DEC in terms of revenue
-Computers mostly used in scientific fields

So we've three Mass. Minicomputer-tan cultures: DEC, DG and 3C. If DEC was the powerful and influential military society, and DG was the more chaotic and magic-based culture, I see 3C as a closed technocracy. Wildly advanced science, but they lacked the common sense to put it to use to their advantage and just sorta.... fizzled out.

omg, this thread LIVES!!!
anyway, love the ideas you've put out, and despite being old, that comp pic is so SHINY (literally!)
i like your ideas on the localized culture. not only do they make sense, but they are an interesting addition to whatever plotline we've got going here. xD

good work. when i'm not in such dire straights in terms of computer situation (currently trying to reformat shitty) i might volunteer to make one. :3

omg right?!

Thankee! ^^ I know, when I saw the picture of the SSEC's control desk I was all like omg so pretty~ *.*

I've always liked designing cultures and stuff... the DDP's will be a hard bunch to -tan, though, since there's so little info on the computers and their impact on the industry. ):

Oooh! The SSEC is so shiny! Aaaaugh! I want to draw her, but just can't come up with any concept sketches! x_X

Awww... It's sad that the 3C-tans caused their downfall apparently. :(

I like this idea of more OS-tan cultures too, and it makes me want to write some articles about them! An OS-tan anthropology project! :D

CHOCO TO THE RESCUE!
concept sketches for secc-tan, feel free to reject them xD
(http://s70.photobucket.com/albums/i98/Chocofreak13/?action=view&current=ssec-tanconcept.jpg)

you didn't specify what type of ancient clothing she would don, so i went for the roman gladiator look. (the bronze/copper would match anyway. :3)

If you think about it, most of the old time Mass-based OS-tan cultures sort of caused their own downfalls.... it wasn't a sudden thing, it was a slow decline over many years of having their culture eroded away by outside sources. Sort of like ancient Rome, heh...

OS-tan anthropology: it's what I've been talkin' bout all this time. :D Actually, Ive begun writing a couple of pieces about OS-tan history/biology/anthropology. One began as a... LE GASP... slashfic, but ended up as a rather lengthy discussion of OS-tan biology and "WTH is an OS-tan". The other is a quaint little tale about quaint little Harvard Mark I-tan that goes on to describe her feelings about being this new weird thing called a "computer-tan".

Really like the sketches Choco, but I think she lacks a bit of the "ancient" part. You got the Roman part right though. ^.^

I was thinking a little more along these lines:

>___< this is the power of specifics. ehh, like i said, feel free to reject it. i'll doodle another one later.

oh yeah, her hat is an airline cap with the apollo mission logo on it.

hey guys, since alot of these are military computers, thought i'd give you this link:
http://rapidshare.com/files/134251361/Official_Monogram_-_US_Navy___USMC_Aircraft_Color_Guide_II_-_1940-1949.pdf

it's a .pdf of us navy symbols 1940-49. idk if it helps, but here it is anyway. :3

When I saw Choco's thumbnail, I thought Secc-tan was going to have a nurse outfit. But i was wrong obviously when i clicked it. :P The cap does make it more cute btw. :3

I guess if you would fuse the navy/air/army/space-officer suit with the roman design (like epaulettes and a collar), then it would look better. ^^

In my humble opinion, the SSEC control panel looks like a light bright.

Choco designs to the rescue!

@stew: lulz. thanks. -w-
@bella: i recently stumbled on a "world costumes" art book i had lying around my room (library discard, first published in 1952). it has a special section on england 1300's - 1900's so i'll defer to that and the "ancient costumes" section as a reference.

Bella, that electromechanical computing system is simply marvelous!  Anybody trying to become an evil genius would want one.  *wants one*  I also think the gal on the right in that Women With Mohawks photograph is exquisite - whatever that means.

Hello, Ms Borealis!  How are you today?  *waves*

Thank you, Chocofreak, for that portable document file!  I found the squadron insignia especially interesting.  Examples:


VP-24 U.S. Navy Patrol Squadron and VPB-24 U.S. Navy Patrol Bomber Squadron


VP-71 U.S. Navy Patrol Squadron


VS-6 U.S. Navy Antisubmarine Reconnaissance Scout Squadron

;hi

=^..^=

Oh look, more non-IBM's for the IBM thread; though there are two more IBM's it doesn't really balance out.  It's all thanks to my new book about the first forty years at Green Bank.

<EDIT>: Finished off a couple more, including the long promised Bell Labs/DEC/AT&T MERT-tan and the equally long awaited TI DX10-tan; hopefully to you the OSC's satisfaction.  That clears out my to-do list, but it's already filled up again.

Question: Do LINC, LGP-30, or ACE-tans already exist?

Bendix G-15-tan
-Likes to dig; tunnels, holes, railroad cuts (computer was good at cut and fill calculations for civil engineering firms)
-G-15 suffers from short term memory loss (didn't retain memory when shut off)
-Doesn't believe in Iowa.
-Admires her mother, ACE-tan, and the work of Alan Turing
-By extension, harbors lingering animosity towards the British government
-Plays the drums (uses a lot of different types of memory drums)
-G-15 suffers from short term memory loss (didn't retain memory when shut off)
-SCOPE-sama's favorite <adopted> "daughter" despite being older (Bendix Computer Division was bought by CDC) as well as the only other person grounded enough to help KRONOS-kun out on a regular basis
-A successful challenger to IBM's of her era in contests (replaced an IBM 610 at the NRAO, because it was too slow)
-Much more excitable then KRONOS, but not as manic as MACE or as driven as SCOPE.  Misses the Bendix company and her creator more then she lets on
-Interested in a variety of engineering and scientific fields, notably radio astronomy
-Status: Alive in museums and small engineering firms world wide

Physical: Gold eyes (designer Harry Huskey received the final production model with a gold plated front), has Huskey ears (see designer Hary Husky) with short thick black and buff hair, wears mainly shades of blue (http://ed-thelen.org/comp-hist/vs-bendix-g15.jpg) in her clothing in a variety of practical styles


IBM 610 Auto-Point Computer-tan
-Could levitate for a period of time (floating point arithmetic amuses me as a concept)
-Smacks people who rush her on the wrists with a classroom pointer
-Friendly and forgiving with her operators
-Reliable but slow.  If you want a job done fast, don't come to her it'll take forever
-Tends to speak in clipped sentences (Auto-point refers to her rounding abilities)
-One of the possible first "personal computers", didn't live long enough to see the concept carried out.
-Fast typist (first office computer with a keyboard for direct data entry)
-Could be considered the mother of all later IBM PC's
-Impervious to temperature changes
-Mortal enemy of Bendix G-15.....
-Status: Deceased

Physical: Wears keyboard keys in her hair, never blinks, gray and blue pupils (in bars), preferred clothing: tartan skirts and business casual (with bicycle {Anachronism, yes I know} shorts, because you know the floating), older IBM dark gray hair, blue eyes


IBM 1620 "CADET"-tan & 1620 Moniter I & II-tan(Can't Add, Doesn't Even Try)
-IBM 610's much more incompetent replacement
-Very popular amongst scientists, despite her problems
-Flighty, has trouble concentrating on her tasks
-Prone to ignoring instructions from her superiors.  They've pretty much stopped trying.
-Tends to stop talking or reading in the middle of a sentence (interpreted record marks as terminate orders, in effect making it extremely difficult to read paper tape)
-Speaks Russian as pretty much her only talent (used "Ж" {zh} as invalid symbol)
-Responsible for cleaning up around the IBM Plantation (first procedure was always a sweep out of previous user data)
-Despite math being one of her main functions, has extreme difficulty performing addition
-Loves muffins (fixed with a muffin fan in development)
-May or may not be DOS/360 predecessor as Chief of IBM Intelligence (appeared in The Man from UNCLE)
-Status: Deceased (early 1970's)

Physical: Shares IBM 610's blue and gray eyes, wears earring buttons one stamped "Insert" and the other "Release", wears parts of an IBM cadet's uniform mixed with whatever else she finds lying around, hair kept up in buns, pale blond


SWAC (Standards Western Automatic Computer)-tan
-One of Bendix G-15's older relations, younger sister of SEAC
-A proud former employee of the National Bureau of Standards
-Started as a temp until RAYDAC was brought online, respects her greatly (and is terrified of her)
-Also retired from a job performing calculations for UCLA
-Still complains about the low price per hour charged by UCLA to employ her
-Held the fastest computer in the world title before IAS Machine
-Now good friends/friendly enemies with IAS-sama
-Likes things to be arranged in prime numbers, can be obsessive about it (discovered what at the time were the largest prime numbers)
-Life long resident of California, Los Angeles to be specific, has considered removing herself east to the BR
-Status: Alive

Physical: Tan from years of living in the sun, prefers lighter weight clothing, not very tall but with an athletic build, carries brass knuckles in case of IAS, brown eyes, always wears five hair clips


SEAC (Standards Eastern Automatic Computer)-tan AKA National Bureau of Standards Interim Computer-tan
-Older sister of SWAC, they never met each other
-Companion of the mysterious DYSEAC (early experiments performed with computer linking and time sharing)
-Always carries a briefcase filled with files and charts (first stored program computer in the US)
-Underwent experimental brain surgery at one point, part of it was electronic
--Part of this allowed her to body to be controlled remotely (first computer to have remote telex access)
-Expresses a disdain for those computers dependent on tubes (first computer to perform all logic with solid state devices)
-Navigation and meteorology expert
-Amateur Photographer, usually carries a camera (had an early scanner to perform image processing experiments)
-Coast Guard Reservist
-Status: Deceased (1964)

Physical: Several scars running along her head, one eye obviously cybernetic other green, black hair streaked gray, vague glow (NBS and NIST work with a lot of radiation), like her younger sister not terribly tall but definitely less athletic, glasses (designed optical lenses)


DX10-tan
-Possessing something of a inferiority complex, being built by a calculator company
-Capable of projecting her thoughts/process onto multiple screens at once (multiple terminal access)
-Often forgotten by other OS-tans, not helping her complex or any nearby file folders
-Surprisingly strong, can lift and move at least car weights (used in factory automation)
-Throws said cars if upset enough
-Usefully fairly mild mannered and withdrawn, speaks with an almost mechanical sounding Texas drawl
-Views herself as protector of her better known calculator 'sisters'
-Status: Alive in emulation

Physical: Wears a plain manila jacket with  a Texas Instruments logo pin and black pin striped pants, brown hair with red bows, charcoal colored eyes


MERT (Multi-Environment Real-Time)-tan AKA DMERT (Duplex Multi Environment Real Time)-tan AKA UNIX-RTR (Real-Time Reliable)-tan
-Has the misfortune to be a UNIX made by Bell Labs for DEC computers, not liked or trusted by either camp
-Often bullied or beaten up by other DECs, former DECs, and Unixen for various reasons starting at treason, 'looking sideways', and convenient for target practice
-Honest and brave to a fault despite what others may believe (Mert is a Turkish name meaning meaning honest, chivalrous, or valiant)
-Has a second job as a switchboard operator (DMERT used by AT&T 3B20D automatic switchboards) where she feels appreciated.
-Can control the flow of time, alter the size of objects, and make pay phone calls without paying (real time operations capable, one of the first steps towards micro-kernal systems, see above) though she doesn't use any of them very often
-An early UNIX derivative (1970s), she tries to avoid her "mother" as much as possible due to lingering animosity on her part
-SysV-tan continually tries to kill her, to remove lasting traces of her old shame (the other OS used in switching computers)
-Cares too much about her families to leave them permanently; feeling remorse for DEC's downfall and still loves her Unix brethren despite their treatment
-Soft spoken
-Status: Alive

Physical: Bandages somewhere at all times, cardigan buttoned most of the way up over a blue camisole with expired Bell Labs ID clipped to the pocket, khaki pants cut/torn off mid shin, rotary dial locket, Bell Telephone logo eyes (inherited),  tanker boots (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/05/Tanker_boots.jpg), expired train schedule sticking out of her cardigan pocket

ummmmmm

ik i've been taking the initiative a little too much recently, but this is piquing my interesting, and being that i have nothing to do recently, i think i'll try for:
IBM 610 Auto-Point Computer-tan
IBM 1620 "CADET"-tan & 1620 Moniter I & II-ta
DX10-tan

i feel bad for even staking a claim!! >___< but i'll try anyway and you can reject them later if you don't like them. ;___;

EDIT: and IT'S A MISTER CAT GET THE CAR!!

(http://flyvapnet.com/myPictures/Conveyances/Citroen-2CV_Berline_1963_1600x1200_wallpaper_01A.jpg)
Please click on the image to view its full size.
Citroën 2cv Berline (1963)

:smoke:

=^..^=

ps. guys, where do you get all this info on vintage computers? i was thinking about writing a personality myself........trying a crack at it....

Mother Wikipedia provides a lot of my info, in addition to Auntie Google.  In the case of most of these recent -tans the initial contact came from elsewhere.  Bendix G-15, IBM 610, and IBM 1620 were all in my new book about the National Radio Observatory.  MERT came from a link about automatic switchboards, no idea where DX10 came from (maybe Speak & Spell?), SWAC SWEC DYSEC all came from G-15-tan.  Mostly it's luck, plus Wiki walks, that'll lead you to obscure OS's.

Do not feel bad, rejoice at making the humble researcher-peasant's breast swell with pride!  Haven't rejected a drawing yet.

Oh, but do we ever? -w-;

No idea, whatsoever.

finished sketches of Auto Point and DX10.

also stumbled on a different concept that i sketched out; anyone remember the "non-existant" computer thread? where we talked about XANA and GlaDos and HAL? i was watching my life as a teenage robot (am i the only one who likes that show?) and heard wakeman mention the "cybercell 19" and "cybercell 12" programming languages, so i made a cybercell-tan.

anyway, none of these are inked or coloured, so they'll likely be up tomorrow.

oh, and i'm sewing a coat. whoo!

Hooray!

I've seen GLaDOS-tan.... but you're telling me there is a HAL 9000-tan out there?  This is startling.

COATS!  BEST PIECES OF CLOTHING EVER.

i think someone was going to make one. :\

and IT'S A TOKKU FUKU COAT LIKE THE JAPANESE BIKER SCHOOLGIRLS USED TO WEAR OwO

Thanks for the link Kari! That's quite interesting...

Quote from: "Stew"Oh look, more non-IBM's for the IBM thread; though there are two more IBM's it doesn't really balance out. It's all thanks to my new book about the first forty years at Green Bank.

<EDIT>: Finished off a couple more, including the long promised Bell Labs/DEC/AT&T MERT-tan and the equally long awaited TI DX10-tan; hopefully to you the OSC's satisfaction. That clears out my to-do list, but it's already filled up again.

Question: Do LINC, LGP-30, or ACE-tans already exist?

Yippee, moar IBM-tans! And just in time, in a week I'll be visiting the tiny village of Essex Junction, Vermont, deep in the heart of IBM territory... *dons safari gear*

I'll be back to comment on the different characters, just wanted to say that I really like what I see though. Especially MERT and SEAC (GLOWY COMPUTER-TANS FTW!!!!). Also, I seriously want a pair of tanker boots. D:

No, none of those exist as -tans.

Fictional computer-tans! I still really want to do a SKYNET-tan, evil defense computer systems ftw!

Lookit that, Bendix G-15 and SEAC and MERT-tans~


And (my own take on) SSEC-tan and Harvard Mark I:


Annnnnnd, RAYDAC-tan and CP/CMS-sama (in formal and battle gear):

if you like the version you did of SSEC, then keep it. :3 it was your vision anyway. ^^

GOOD NEWS EVERYONE! i'm importing screentone brushes into gimp, so now i don't have to worry about not having the money or the access to screentones! ^^ (tis sweet, been wantin' to do this for awhile. the brushes are originally for photoshop so if you want them i'll provide linkage.)

and i don't have much to do today (well, except for drying peppers and extracting poison) so i'll begin again on work of those sketches i promised. ^^;;

D'aww, all three chibi's are ridiculously adorably.  Even SEAC with her :< face.  All the mainframes are so ornate, though CP/CMS' combat gear manages to mix function with style.  She gives off kind of a Patton vibe, at least to me.

Hooray, Kari!

Thanks Kari, not that I didn't like your version of SSEC-tan... we can always compromise and say that's her in her professional uniform! OS-tans have wardrobes I imagine, nobody likes wearing the same clothes day after day, even fictional characters~ ^^

Woohoo, can't wait to see your drawings Kari! And post links for these GIMP screentone brushes plz. :3

Po-poison?! D:

Thanks Stew, I'm working on a new chibi style... I've pages full of characters in this style, well, at least a few. MERT's my favourite here btw, I like her mellowness in the face of imminent destruction (aka angry Unices, DECs and Unix-sama). Gotta be ornate, have you seen those computers? They were quite grandiloquent themselves. ^^

Hmm, Patton, that's an interesting comparison. She reminds me a little of the warrior-queen Boudica. ^^

uh-huh, poison. :3 nabbed a little bit of ricin from a garden the other day, now i just have to set to work extracting the seeds. (might grow some; it IS quite an exotic looking plant. ^^)

http://psychobob.xepher.net/screentonez/
screentone page~

ummmmmmmmmmmmm i was about to begin work on cadet-tan, but i'm a little confused about the description....what exactly does an IBM Cadet uniform look like? :[

Well, I left it vague to give whomever drew her latitude of design but I can layout a basic design.  

A jacket (http://warrelics.eu/forum/military_photos/uniforms/19067d1226863211t-raf-sgt-air-gunners-service-dress-jacket-raf-service-dress-jacket.-sgt-air-gunner..jpg) cut about like this, but of a darker blue color.  Plain gray collar tabs with gold IBMSA letters.  One narrow gold stripe around the cuff.  Regulation headgear consists of a US Army pattern garrison cap trimmed in silver and black; same color as the jacket.  Single gold disk pinned on the left side, Gold IBMSA pin on the right.  Lower half consists of a skirt or slacks.

Of course what modifications she's made are up for debate.

Ricin?! :V I grow mostly innocuous plants, aloe, various kalanchoe, some new succulents whose names I'm unsure of...  

That screentone page had been bookmarked. :D

That's an awesome jacket, this is gonna be a cool uniform. :^D

...
...

Anyway, I've made another preposterous link between two computer systems, and therefor, OS-tans: WWMCCS and GECOS.

As it turns out, the Worldwide Military Command and Control System used GECOS as its OS!

DUN
DUN
DUHNNNNNNN

But wait, it gets stranger! It also heavily employed Honeywell 6000 computers, including the one Multics used, the 6080.

DUN!
DUN!
DUHNNNNNNN!!!!!!

So um, how's this fit into OS-tan terms? Is WWMCCS-tan supposed to represent the system software, hardware, or some sort of hybrid -tan embodying both? If it's software, that means WWMMCS-tan could be GECOS's little sister... if it's hardware, she could be related to 6000-kun... if she's a hybrid, then, LE GASP, would that make her the abominable "lovechild" of GECOS and 6000-kun?!

I know, I know. I've said it before and I'll say it again, I don't think hardware-tans can reproduce with OS-tans -- since IRL hardwares and OSes are two totally different things. But this also raises the question of how "hybrid" -tans (ones representing both computer and software/OS) fit into the picture, and if, through sufficient human manipulation in the lab, an OS-tan and hardware-tan could have a hybrid child.

Or, we could just leave that all ambiguous and say she's just associated with GECOS and 6000-kun, or some loosely defined relative of one or the other... |P

All of this has inspired me to make a super-confusing OS-tan character relationship map though~

The World War II RAF uniforms are probably among my favorites of any era.

*clears throat* It's er, not really that preposterous.  At the time I created Wimex-tan there wasn't a Honeywell 6000 series personification so it didn't seem particularly germane.  Plus I forgot about GCOS, I always forget about GCOS.  Now however the situation has changed; time to put on the serious business glasses and get to work.

As far as I've always been concerned WWMCCS-tan was a representation of the network itself.  The whole shebang was originally scattered across the country in at the very least dozens of separate computer sites using a variety of hardware and operating systems, which makes her more of a software or program-tan though that doesn't really feel right.

Of course, Honeywell 6000-kun and GECOS-san didn't really enter the picture until the Air Force's 1971 purchase orders for the Prototype WWMCCS Intercomputer Network almost at the end of Wimex's first decade of operation.  Even then that version of GCOS is implied to be a separate (or perhaps derivative) of regular GCOS; "WWMCCS GCOS".  

Therefore my conclusion is that Honeywell 6000-kun and GECOS-san are rather like adoptive and half siblings respectively (with Wimex possibly accepting the mantle of WWMCCS GCOS as well) then anything else.  GECOS effect on existing relationships: She's already a loner, so next to none.  

Remember some of mine already have an ill defined, poorly laid out map to start from!

I VOTE FOR THE LOVECHILD

born out of a drunken night of passion and forgotten! WWMCCS-chan, 6000's illegitimate daughter!! >:3

and thanks for the info, you may see cadet popping up in a few days (if i can resist the urge to be lazy).

Quote from: "Stew"The World War II RAF uniforms are probably among my favorites of any era.

*clears throat* It's er, not really that preposterous. At the time I created Wimex-tan there wasn't a Honeywell 6000 series personification so it didn't seem particularly germane. Plus I forgot about GCOS, I always forget about GCOS. Now however the situation has changed; time to put on the serious business glasses and get to work.

I've always been fond of the old American and British military uniforms (for instance, 1700s and 1800s British, Continental and Union Armies), but some of the WWI and II uniforms are pretty interesting too~

There's been a 6000-kun for awhile now! He's drawn on a scrap of paper... somewhere... with a bunch of other -kuns, Emacs, GE 600, FASTRAND and 728-kun too IIRC.  I should find that and post it.

GECOS (or GCOS) is easy to forget until you realize that it's behind a few important OSes and computer systems of its era (Multics was built partially on GECOS machines, Unix, and now the WWMMCS-GECOS connection). GCOS-tan is certainly quite the character though... there's really no forgetting her. ^^;;

QuoteAs far as I've always been concerned WWMCCS-tan was a representation of the network itself. The whole shebang was originally scattered across the country in at the very least dozens of separate computer sites using a variety of hardware and operating systems, which makes her more of a software or program-tan though that doesn't really feel right.

Of course, Honeywell 6000-kun and GECOS-san didn't really enter the picture until the Air Force's 1971 purchase orders for the Prototype WWMCCS Intercomputer Network almost at the end of Wimex's first decade of operation. Even then that version of GCOS is implied to be a separate (or perhaps derivative) of regular GCOS; "WWMCCS GCOS".

That's what I assumed... also realised that WWMCCS used a lot of different software and hardware, but the 6000 and GECOS were the most mentioned on its wiki article.

I hate creating redundant characters, that's why I wanted to work in a GECOS-WWMCCS-tan connection rather than create a whole new Wimex GECOS-tan. I like your idea to let WWMCCS-tan represent WWMCCS's version of GECOS though....

QuoteTherefore my conclusion is that Honeywell 6000-kun and GECOS-san are rather like adoptive and half siblings respectively (with Wimex possibly accepting the mantle of WWMCCS GCOS as well) then anything else. GECOS effect on existing relationships: She's already a loner, so next to none.

Remember some of mine already have an ill defined, poorly laid out map to start from!

That's a sound decision! Hmm, this makes her something akin to a step-step-sister to Multics...GECOS, Multics and 6000-kun were all step-siblings (in a way: same company) so WWMCCS-tan is practically a part of the family too...

...

... oh god, what do you want to bet she lost that eye getting in between Multics and GECOS in a catfight? D:

   

Quote from: "Kari"I VOTE FOR THE LOVECHILD

born out of a drunken night of passion and forgotten! WWMCCS-chan, 6000's illegitimate daughter!! >:3

and thanks for the info, you may see cadet popping up in a few days (if i can resist the urge to be lazy).

lololol~ I'd totally vote for this too, if not for the fact that GCOS-tan and 6000-kun are about the two least likely people to ever get into a drunken lovechildmaking-situation. xP

It's still a funny thought though (must. resist. urge. to. fanfic. or. comic.) x.x

Quote from: "Bells"I've always been fond of the old American and British military uniforms (for instance, 1700s and 1800s British, Continental and Union Armies), but some of the WWI and II uniforms are pretty interesting too~

There's been a 6000-kun for awhile now! He's drawn on a scrap of paper... somewhere... with a bunch of other -kuns, Emacs, GE 600, FASTRAND and 728-kun too IIRC. I should find that and post it.

GECOS (or GCOS) is easy to forget until you realize that it's behind a few important OSes and computer systems of its era (Multics was built partially on GECOS machines, Unix, and now the WWMMCS-GECOS connection). GCOS-tan is certainly quite the character though... there's really no forgetting her. ^^;;

Indeed.  The profusion of gold braid tends to bother me, not that that stops me from enjoying them (Especially the Continental Army).

And find it you did!

Yesss she is, but she's usually too modern or too in the wrong field for me to be dealing with her relations ><.

That's what I assumed... also realised that WWMCCS used a lot of different software and hardware, but the 6000 and GECOS were the most mentioned on its wiki article.

Quote from: "Still Bella"I hate creating redundant characters, that's why I wanted to work in a GECOS-WWMCCS-tan connection rather than create a whole new Wimex GECOS-tan. I like your idea to let WWMCCS-tan represent WWMCCS's version of GECOS though....

Mainly because of the significance of WIN.

Yes.

Quote from: "Well what do you know, Bells again!"That's a sound decision! Hmm, this makes her something akin to a step-step-sister to Multics...GECOS, Multics and 6000-kun were all step-siblings (in a way: same company) so WWMCCS-tan is practically a part of the family too...

...

... oh god, what do you want to bet she lost that eye getting in between Multics and GECOS in a catfight? D:

Indeed.

OH MY.  THAT IS DEFINITELY NOT GOING IN MY STORY IDEA FOLDER.

Quote from: "Kari"I VOTE FOR THE LOVECHILD

born out of a drunken night of passion and forgotten! WWMCCS-chan, 6000's illegitimate daughter!! >:3

and thanks for the info, you may see cadet popping up in a few days (if i can resist the urge to be lazy).

I.  This.  See bellow LGP-30-tan.

HOORAY

It goes against standard procedure for me to add just one -tan, let alone just one -tan at the end of an otherwise normal post but to be honest I'm a) Too terrified to leave her alone b) To do any more right now.  Yes.  For the first time I am actually afraid of one of my characters.

LGP-30
-Heavy sleeper, extremely difficult to wake up (reputed to have the most difficult start-up sequence of any computer.  It involves counting burrr's and clunk's and at least two storage mediums)
-Generally understood to be a badass, feared and respected by all for various reasons.  Few of which have any basis in reality
--'Real Programmer' Status/Godhood: Exhibit #1 (http://www.multicians.org/thvv/realprogs.html) Her programmer Mel Kaye is believed to started it all when programming her.  Actually the actual incident occurred when dealing with her younger sister, RPC-4000.  Demographic: Unixen, Linuxes?
--The Nuclear/Communist connection: Designed by Stan Frankel, a black listed Manhattan Project scientist eking out a living as a computer consultant after loosing his clearances during the Red Scare. Demographic: Mainframes, Cold War relics
--Reality Warping: Now that's just silly.  Demographic: Scientists, mathematicians, you, me, and any other sane people
-Easy going, puts up with all sorts of jobs with little complaint.  Once you wake her up of course.
-Apparently suffers from "magnetic flux in the head"
-Which is what she blames her occasionally chaotic way of doing things and bouts of homicidal rage or intense introspection (She was used to discover "strange attractors" and the Butterfly Effect.  This is probably what should be concerning)
-Fond of actual butterflies
-Has quite the sense of rhythm
-Motto "FiberGlass Javelins Kill Quite Well" (mnemonic device to remember how to enter hexadecimal numbers on a typewriter keyboard)
-Disconcertingly, appears to posses a javelin....
-Gainfully employed in the scientific and educational fields for many years; now enjoying retirement in Boston and Germany
-Status: Alive

Physical: Posses oscilloscope eyes (used an oscilloscope display instead of blinking lights), dresses casually typically with a butterfly theme (she's retired, taking it easy), sandy blond hair, may or may not posses a Chaos cultist costume from Warhammer 40k

There is a frightening (to me) X meets Y for her as well.

@stew: futanari wut nao? :\
@bells: don't resist the urge!! it's a good urge!! i would read and save and print and have semi-naughty dreams about that fanfic!! 0w0

i likes the sound of the communistic badass-tan. -w-

Wait, what?  (X meets Y = describing something as two other concepts combined?)

futanari = chicks with dicks

....there's some pics of such in the gallery :\

Yes, I unfortunately know.  Relevance was escaping me though....

x meets y. chromasones?

Picture yourself in a boat on a river,
With filesystem trees and CRT skies,
Somebody calls you - you answer quite slowly,
A girl with oscilloscope eyes...

30 in the sky, with diamonds, 30 in the sky with diamonds~

A narcoleptic butterfly-enthusiast, aside from the bouts of murderous rage I'm afraid I don't quite see what's so terrifying about her. ^^;; She sounds like a really interesting character though! And the wiki article on the actual computer is quite interesting too. ^^

Magnetic flux in the head? *omg sounds like Danny Faraday!!!!*

She's not retired in Boston anymore, remember, the Damned Californiasses stole our computers out from under us. D: D: D:

Please do tell what this frightening X Meets Y is (I'd guess DTSS-tan meets... OS/8-tan, but I'd probably be wrong.)

Quote from: "Kari"@bells: don't resist the urge!! it's a good urge!! i would read and save and print and have semi-naughty dreams about that fanfic!! 0w0

Yeaaaaaah, I sort of have my hands full enough as it is with other semi-naughty fanfics. Including a continuation of one involving a Cold War Era defense computer and a 1980s Apple micro on a mysterious tropical island and in awkward yuri situations, which to my dismay is becoming more and more elephantine as I continue. << >> <<

Yes, that's what I presumed.  Then explained.  Because I really don't want to think about futanari ><

One of those things she's known for does have some basis in reality.  I know right?

Perhaps a little.

Well then, time to take up permanent residence in Germany.  That is where the only working model is anyway.  

Haurhi Suzumiya meets Erica Hartman meets River Tam.

meets dschengis khan?

Come now, that's just crossing the line. -w-;

Boo, I only know one character on your list Stew. So she's like Haruhi! xP

LET'S GET THIS TRAIN BACK ON ITS TRACKS WITH A QUESTION TO PONDER:

We've about a million microcomputer hardware/software-tan hybrids running about. Most of these said microcomputer-tans run various versions of BASIC, but are otherwise unrelated (at least outside of their company familial groups: the Apple Micros, Commodores, Amstrads, etc). Resident OS-tan genealogist and anthropologist wants to know: is there an ancestral -tan that ties all these BASIC "OS"-based -tans together? Is it time for a.... BASIC-sama?

I realise that BASIC is a programming language, not an OS, and while I've seen programming language-tans on the interwebs before I've never felt the need to make them. But things are made murkier in this case, when you consider that many micros use BASIC as their "operating system". Just a passing thought that occurred to me while contentedly staring at my VIC-20~

But lazy.

That's a good question!  The thought had occurred to me as well considering the sheer number of times it shows up, but being far less daring then you I never thought to go very far with the idea of giving a program language like BASIC a -tan.  

Opinion wise; I think it would be a good idea to give all the micros a mentor/hero/goddess.

i like the idea of having BASIC be some sort of mysterious figure that leads the hybrid masses. like a cult leader, only without the dark shady tendencies (or in some cases, WITH the dark shady tendencies). like a religious or political figure for the BASIC followers.

i would write out the -tan myself, but i don't know much about BASIC other than it's a widely used programming language in older computers that has fallen into obscurity.

how about this as a concept: a once great leader who fell out of popularity once the more "modern" programming languages came in, but, refusing to die (and wanting revenge) begun an underground group that grew in size. either unknown or believed to be dead by "modern" -tans, BASIC-kun (i feel a male fits better but you guys are welcome to make BASIC a girl instead) continues adding to his army (which he so affectionately calls his "family") to try to break back into the market and overthrow the bigger, newer languages like C++ and Java.


sounds cool to me. 8)

BASIC-sama = benevolent gender-bent Mayor Richard J. Daley?

BASIC-kami. Basically, a deity. Works for the purpose, doesn't it?

Don't forget: BASIC-tan would be the creation of DTSS-sama! And a New Hampshirite (can't forget regionalisms amiright?)

(I'll be back later to comment further)

EDIT: it's Later!

Quote from: "Stew"That's a good question! The thought had occurred to me as well considering the sheer number of times it shows up, but being far less daring then you I never thought to go very far with the idea of giving a program language like BASIC a -tan.

Opinion wise; I think it would be a good idea to give all the micros a mentor/hero/goddess.

More proof that great minds think alike. d: I've never been daring enough to -tan programming languages either (seems a bit too abstract if you ask me) but I've seen it done before, as evidenced by this Google-translated website (http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=ja&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.limo.fumi2kick.com%2Fforum%2Flm_forum02.html) (keep scrolling down, promise you won't be disappointed). Now in movie form too (http://www.limo.fumi2kick.com/forum/glang/glang_demo.mpg)!

Quote from: "Kari"i like the idea of having BASIC be some sort of mysterious figure that leads the hybrid masses. like a cult leader, only without the dark shady tendencies (or in some cases, WITH the dark shady tendencies). like a religious or political figure for the BASIC followers.

i would write out the -tan myself, but i don't know much about BASIC other than it's a widely used programming language in older computers that has fallen into obscurity.

how about this as a concept: a once great leader who fell out of popularity once the more "modern" programming languages came in, but, refusing to die (and wanting revenge) begun an underground group that grew in size. either unknown or believed to be dead by "modern" -tans, BASIC-kun (i feel a male fits better but you guys are welcome to make BASIC a girl instead) continues adding to his army (which he so affectionately calls his "family") to try to break back into the market and overthrow the bigger, newer languages like C++ and Java.

sounds cool to me.

While I don't doubt her cult leader-like appeal to the masses (and certainly a lot of bigwig programmers view her as an unscientific person who dumbs down her followers with her simplistic "philosophy"), I think she'd skimp on the mystery -- BASIC is an easy programming language, it only makes sense that its -tan would reflect this by having an accessible and laid-back attitude (to the point of unprofessionalism).

While the original Darthmouth BASIC (which BASIC-tan would probably represent along with other early dialects) fell out of use decades ago BASIC-tan would hardly be resigned to obscurity (especially considering that she still works today under the name TrueBASIC). BASIC is still one of the most widely used programming languages, which means BASIC-tan would undoubtedly wield a high level of influence even in today's world.

Her connection to the BASIC-based OS-tans might be a little murkier though; since she's essentially the one uniting factor between all these different factions and families.

I like your rabble-rousing leader notion though -- it certainly fits in with her (or his, as you proposed) position as a "working man's programming language" and rejection of the scientific establishment and notion that programming must be an esoteric and labourous endevour.

How about an IBM-tan?
Multiple Virtual Storage or MVS-tan (this hasn't been done before... I mean right?) D:
-A railroad engineer*
-OS/360-tan's daughter and z/OS's big sister
-Doesn't associate much with her family due to travel
-Outwardly gruff but with a compassionate heart
-Gets bored easily, enjoys reading in her spare time - especially about mythology and paleontology**
-Sometimes gets called VMS by mistake much to her chagrin (on the flip side, the same applies to VMS-sama)***
-Wanderer since 1981 (MVS is public domain)
-Friendly with personal computer OS-tans (MVS runs on PCs via Hercules emulator)
Dresses in 19th-century train engineer-esque attire, usually covered in soot or dirt, probably shows wrench wench tendencies. Looks a bit like mum.

*MVS is often analogised as being the freight train or 18-wheeler of operating systems; neither fast nor agile, but able to handle large loads of data reliably and consistently. Compare with Unix: a sedan with no instrumentation whatsoever (Unix Haters Handbook reference); Multics or VMS, which might be your garden variety tanks; or a supercomputer, which could be thought of as a formula one racecar.
**References to MVS being used in the Hercules emulator and the association of MVS with dinosaur mascots.
*** Reference to some story in DEC folklore, about VMS accidentally being called MVS on some system manuals or something. Heads rolled because of it.

told you i didn't know much! i like your ideas, and the new -tan though. ^^

should i download and gallery the tans on the page you put up? :\

There is no stopping the IBM, they are everywhere, they know all.

Whaaaaaat, there was no FORTRAN-chan on that website!

@Colonel-san: tell me about it, I'm surrounded by IBMers here. It's spooky. D:

There WAS a FORTRAN-chan on that website dear sir, you just gotta put your looking-glasses on~

@Kari: it's alright, I'm far from a BASIC history expert too... just know more about it from my research of DTSS though.

You can if you want, or I'll do it once I'm back home and have a reliable internet connection.

So guys, whilst reading about Skynet on an insomniac-ing wikiwalk (been meaning to -tan it for awhile now) I came across something even better than an nuclear-armed fictional doomsday computer system. I found a nuclear-armed doomsday computer system that actually exists! At least according to legend. Soviet legend. Which means, you know, it might've actually been an Elektronika BK hooked up to a specially jury-rigged AK-47 in a bunker somewhere. For the sake of conversation, let's err on the grand side of the spectrum though.

Behold: СисÑ,ема ПеримеÑ,Ñ€, aka Perimeter, aka Mertvaya Ruka, "The Dead Hand":

http://www.wired.com/politics/security/magazine/17-10/mf_deadhand?currentPage=1

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dead_Hand_%28nuclear_war%29

Somehow I see Dead Hand-tan as being something akin to a doomsday!Soviet!Wimex-or-SAGE-tan, but that's probably only because I use them as a sort of baseline for all Cold War Era control computer systems.

-Born 1985 (created in response to mounting tension between the US and Soviet Union)
-Trained to have an aggressive and vengeful temperament (was designed to ensure the US would be counterattacked even if the entire Soviet military and governmental hierarchy was taken out)
-Wanted to be deployed at all times, angry over her human creator's lack of trust in her (the system would only be turned on "in cases of emergency")
-Missing her left hand, replaced with a hook (need I explain?)
-Seems perfectly comfortable with the thought of starting an apocalypse (again, no explanation needed...)
-Reclusive, secretive about her existence (US was never told that Dead Hand existed -- many in the Soviet military didn't know either. Seems illogical, given its destructive capabilities would've deterred an American attack)
-Maybe not the most rational or logical person in the world (to be direct: she's in-say-ane)
-Paranoid about the Americans -- or Soviets-- killing her. Spent most of her time in an isolated bunker because of it
-Her mission may've been deterring the Soviets from initiating nuclear war -- since once the "genie was let out of the bottle" she would have seen to it that the world was annihilated
-Has superhuman tactile senses but mediocre eyesight (used ground-based sensors detecting detonations, not radar systems to detect launches. If radar = vision, then vibration and pressure sensors = touch)
-Says she actually helped save the world from nuclear war (because of its aforementioned ground-based sensors, the chance of it producing a false-positive was very low)
-Alive (purportedly still in use and continually being upgraded)

Physically... very Russian looking, probably wearing a rather grandiloquent Soviet military uniform-style outfit to suit her rather inflated ego. Very pale and physically weak from years of sunlight inexposure, lending her a deathly appearance. Has an odd sense of humour, probably not the most comfortable person in the word to be around.

TL;DR: THIS IS THE GREATEST THING EVAR. V>O<V

^That is awesome!

Yes.  I have a recording of the Dead Hand on my iPod.

Why the hell was I never told about it?! I FEEL JUST LIKE PRESIDENT REAGAN, WAAAAAAAAH~ ;O;

It just never seemed relevant.  If it exists to begin with of course, though my personal opinion is that yes it does indeed exist.  Yes we should be somewhat concerned.

OMG!! HAL LIVVVVVEEEEESSSS!!!

Come now, is anyone actually surprised about this? -w-;

Incidentally, the sensibility (for something called a doomsday machine, it indeed is sensible) of that system seems like it should more influential on its personality.

In case you were curious, the station I was referencing was UVB-76 a mysterious transmitter located outside of Moscow.  There has never been any explanation for it's existence (since 1982), though some claim it's merely used for research into ionospheric radio propagation experiments.  With Morse code and voice transmissions of number/letter sequences like a numbers station.  Oh yeah.  The buzz transmissions were interrupted three times from 1982 to 2006.  And eight times since August with the most recent being today at 16:36 UTC.

Closest to 'official' as anything has ever gotten was when a retired Lithuanian Communications Minister stated the voices were "To make sure receiving stations are on alert."

Standard UVB-76 "Buzzer" Transmission (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/0a/UVB-76_07-08-2010.ogg)

Voice Transmission (http://soundcloud.com/djoutcold/uvb-76-aug-23-2010-9-32ampst)

Male reading 1-10 in Russian, today. (http://soundcloud.com/user2618956/1to101636utcsept22010)

that clip was creepy-cool. reminds me of that fanfic someone wrote (bells i think?) with that radio operator who went insane. i have an urge to read it now.

and i repeat: HAL LIIIIIVVEEEEESSSS!!!

It's pretty nice to just sit and listen to UVB-76 in late evenings, feels almost hypnotic... -w-

Indeed,  though I'm more of a BND recordings man myself.  Or the Lincolnshire Poacher when she was around.

@Stew: (Potentially) Killer computers and/or control systems are always relevant to my interests. >:V

Those sound clips were... weird. Actually, I find the entire numbers station concept amazingly strange. And a little frustrating. YOU NUMBERS STATIONS ARE SO CRYPTIC CAN'T YOU GIVE US A LITTLE MORE INFO PLZ? :<

On the wiki article, it was mentioned that UVB-76 might be connected in some way to Dead Hand; out of curiosity, have you heard any theories about what their connection might be?

@ Kari: I KNOW ISN'T IS AWWWWWWESOME?! SCARY BUT AWWWWWWWESOME!

Nope, the story (http://cptlfrghtr.deviantart.com/gallery/#/d2rga8p) you're thinking of is Stewart's.

A little bit of HAL, but more like Skynet. Mainly because HAL's murderous capabilities were limited to Discovery, while Skynet was earth-based and had an entire nuclear arsenal to play with... okay, just the fact that we're comparing fictional homicidal computers to (potentially) existant control systems is a bit frightening. D:

scary, scaaarrry russians.

speking of which, what ever happened to vae?

Off she went with tsu-tan, I suppose.

Also, russians may be scary, but they make fuckmahelling EPIC TIER music.

and are just awesomely badass. GO TEAM SIBERIA

I'm starting to seriously like Mertvaya Ruka here. I'll be doing this, I think...

any new ibms? huh, i should stop being lazy and draw those ones i promised. (when things are less turbulent)
thanks for being so patient.

Quote from: "NejinOniwa"I'm starting to seriously like Mertvaya Ruka here. I'll be doing this, I think...

Doing this? Do you mean you'll help with her design or is this going to end up being discussed in the "who would you sleep with" thread? >XD

No new IBMs, but now that we've broken the programming language-tan taboo I wanna make a MUMPS-tan http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MUMPS

QuoteDoing this? Do you mean you'll help with her design or is this going to end up being discussed in the "who would you sleep with" thread? >XD

It's a machination of war on its greatest degree. Fits like a glove, no? Design is important, after all (even more so, in the case of this ending up in that thread, lol).

Also, I'm not quite sure, but we haven't produced any -tans for either of the Zuse computers, have we? That fellow (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Konrad_Zuse) built a serious shitload of them...including the first turing-complete computer (not counting Analytical, since it wasn't built), Z3. We haven't done any of those, have we?

I have a lot to catch up on, but here's Digi-Comp-tan!

Aaaaah!

DigiComp is adorable!  Superior work Aurora-hime.

I'm researching the stuff about Mertvaya Ruka, and one very important interview line strikes me as very, very crucial when it comes to the purpose and thought behind the semi-automatic design of the system:

QuoteNow, the Soviets had once thought about creating a fully automatic system. Sort of a machine, a doomsday machine, that would launch without any human action at all. When they drew that blueprint up and looked at it, they thought, you know, this is absolutely crazy.

Looking at Bella Labs' proposal - which isn't at all off-line in current thoughtstreams, but very non-aligned with those of the cold war - this is one thing I find important, and quite ignored. The system's design was created with such diligence in mind, so I'd imagine her more of a restrained, collected person - albeit surely one very purpose-focused so - and seeing as she (probably) is still active and receiving support, I would most definitely not cross her off as mindbroken. After all, she is the one trusted with a most important (albeit perhaps not as important as then) task of the nation's defense - hardly would one allow such an asset to fall into mental oblivion. She might not be a pampered child, but I'd definitely put her in somewhat good shoes.

As for other things:

Quote from: "Bella Labs"-Missing her left hand, replaced with a hook (need I explain?)

I'm more for her actually HAVING a dead hand. Rigor mortis invoked, perhaps slightly rotten, even. Somewhat more troublesome to design, perhaps, but effect is important. Hook hand=Cut-off hand, not a dead one.

Quote from: "Bella Labs"-Wanted to be deployed at all times, angry over her human creator's lack of trust in her (the system would only be turned on "in cases of emergency")

I'd rather interpret the semi-auto functions as extreme trust in her operators; level-headed at all times, she would expect her human operators to be the same, and follow through with their decisions. For all the hotheads and wackos in the OS-tan league, we need someone who actually seems like they're deserving of their position, no?
Also, heavy sleeper. The exact wording is semi-dormant (with, I'd suppose, regular checkups and testings), so perhaps some characteristic of a bear could be chromed onto her...that, with the her being Russian and all, seems to fit pretty well.

Quote from: "Bella Labs"-Reclusive, secretive about her existence (US was never told that Dead Hand existed -- many in the Soviet military didn't know either. Seems illogical, given its destructive capabilities would've deterred an American attack)

Quite so. This is one thing we could extrapolate on; as she's never been quite official at any point, if she's ever out of her bunker people could go like, "Who's that?" or the like.

Quote from: "Bella Labs"-Paranoid about the Americans -- or Soviets-- killing her. Spent most of her time in an isolated bunker because of it

I wouldn't have this element included at all, frankly. She might've had some anguish about the cold war ending, seeing as she possibly could've been seen as out-of-place in a world without it, but her new caretakers took her in and treated her well, so she settled in with time (not that it was all that different for her, really). One thing I would include is that she would command extreme respect among the Kremlin and Rus/Soviet hierarchs (and techno-squads) due to the entire "relied on for determining whether to launch dem nukes and ENDING DEM WORLDS" thing and whatnot, and thus get extremely confused/amused whenever confronting someone not familiar with her and thus not treating her like she's used to - much like the "secret/runaway ojou-sama" plot setting or whatnot of various animu/mango.

In other words; My vision of Mertvaya Ruka is more of a cool, logical type of person, with various elements of ladylikeness and technobabble thrown in.
While "I'LLNUKEUYASONOVABITCHKOVYANKEE" might be fun the few first times you use it, one will eventually be forced to re-develop, re-purpose or scrap such a one-type character. I am for more looking at the forethoughts and results of the machine, not the "Doomsday Machine" tag hovering over its head like an evil ward. It seems like a more proper setting, as well as a better use of such high-potential material as the world's (most likely) only doomsday system-tan.

Quote from: "NejinOniwa"Looking at Bella Labs' proposal - which isn't at all off-line in current thoughtstreams, but very non-aligned with those of the cold war - this is one thing I find important, and quite ignored. The system's design was created with such diligence in mind, so I'd imagine her more of a restrained, collected person - albeit surely one very purpose-focused so - and seeing as she (probably) is still active and receiving support, I would most definitely not cross her off as mindbroken. After all, she is the one trusted with a most important (albeit perhaps not as important as then) task of the nation's defense - hardly would one allow such an asset to fall into mental oblivion. She might not be a pampered child, but I'd definitely put her in somewhat good shoes.

Restrained in action, surely. Otherwise, we'd all be glowing a radioactive green right now (jk...?) But I think making her a restrained person -- personality-wise-- would be a bit of a cop-out. Sure, it was a system with various fail-safes to keep it from malfunctioning and accidentally causing WWIII, but it was still a "doomsday machine"... that's not a very rational thing, period.

To put it another way, a person can be completely batshit -- erratic, megalomaniacal, prone to violent thoughts and/or fantasies, etc, etc -- but never, EVER, act on her disturbed thoughts. That wouldn't make her any less unnerving to be around though, simply knowing that she COULD "push the button" someday and contains within her the power to destroy worlds.

QuoteI'm more for her actually HAVING a dead hand. Rigor mortis invoked, perhaps slightly rotten, even. Somewhat more troublesome to design, perhaps, but effect is important. Hook hand=Cut-off hand, not a dead one.

Somebody put on a horcrux ring! (lol finally got a chance to throw a Harry Potter ref out there).

I considered this one. Well, actually, more like a badly atrophied hand, shriveled and unusable. Sorta rejected the thought because of the design difficultly it posed, but I might have to reconsider it.

QuoteI'd rather interpret the semi-auto functions as extreme trust in her operators; level-headed at all times, she would expect her human operators to be the same, and follow through with their decisions. For all the hotheads and wackos in the OS-tan league, we need someone who actually seems like they're deserving of their position, no?

Meet you half way -- she trusts her operators extremely, but to the point of emotional dependency on them. Perhaps a twofold reason for this... for one, she knows she's hobbled w/o the humans and needs them to operate, and secondly, she realises that if anything SHOULD go down, she'll be spending eternity with her operators in a bunker. Nobody wants to be trapped with enemies, y/n?

Honestly, level-headed characters bore me... especially with a character who has SO much craziness potential. I mean...
SOVIET.
RUSSIAN.
DOOMSDAY MACHINE.
NUCLEAR ARSENAL.
REFERENCES TO TERMINATOR AND DR. STRANGELOVE AND OTHER MOVIES WITH DOOMSDAY MACHINES/EVIL COMPUTERS.

I mean, this isn't quite your run-of-the-mill C&C computer system...

QuoteAlso, heavy sleeper. The exact wording is semi-dormant (with, I'd suppose, regular checkups and testings), so perhaps some characteristic of a bear could be chromed onto her...that, with the her being Russian and all, seems to fit pretty well.

Agreed, this also fits in with her "dead" motif and near-death appearance. Some might wonder if they'll be able to wake her again...

QuoteQuite so. This is one thing we could extrapolate on; as she's never been quite official at any point, if she's ever out of her bunker people could go like, "Who's that?" or the like.

True, true, few have ever seen her (there's no info about the exact workings of the system, either, so this fits perfectly).

QuoteI wouldn't have this element included at all, frankly. She might've had some anguish about the cold war ending, seeing as she possibly could've been seen as out-of-place in a world without it, but her new caretakers took her in and treated her well, so she settled in with time (not that it was all that different for her, really). One thing I would include is that she would command extreme respect among the Kremlin and Rus/Soviet hierarchs (and techno-squads) due to the entire "relied on for determining whether to launch dem nukes and ENDING DEM WORLDS" thing and whatnot, and thus get extremely confused/amused whenever confronting someone not familiar with her and thus not treating her like she's used to - much like the "secret/runaway ojou-sama" plot setting or whatnot of various animu/mango.

Okay, maybe paranoia's a strong word... especially for a person who lives in such a secure place, surrounded by so many protectors and with almost no direct threats to her life (she had to be, in order to carry out her mission should Russia have been attacked). So perhaps she'd be confident with her safety to the point of SMUGNESS. But I can't help but think she'd be a little suspicious of the happenings in the above-ground world... maybe not a rational reason for this, more of a side-effect from being cut off from society for most of her life.

Anguish about the Cold War ending - yes.
Extreme respect - for sure.
Treated well, perhaps to the point of spoiledness - likely. She had to be kept alive, at least moderately happy and healthy, the mission was too important to endanger her.

QuoteIn other words; My vision of Mertvaya Ruka is more of a cool, logical type of person, with various elements of ladylikeness and technobabble thrown in.
While "I'LLNUKEUYASONOVABITCHKOVYANKEE" might be fun the few first times you use it, one will eventually be forced to re-develop, re-purpose or scrap such a one-type character. I am for more looking at the forethoughts and results of the machine, not the "Doomsday Machine" tag hovering over its head like an evil ward. It seems like a more proper setting, as well as a better use of such high-potential material as the world's (most likely) only doomsday system-tan.

Again, meet you halfway...

After considering your points, I can see Mertvaya-tan as being inwardly rather neurotic, macabre and far too comfortable with EXTREME violence (as in: nuclear war), but cognizant enough to realise the consequences of her actions. Certainly not trigger-happy Jack D. Ripper-type who blindly wants to destroy her enemies -- but she HAS (or HAD) the power to destroy the world and would have if push came to shove. She didn't want to... but she wouldn't have felt particularly bad if she had.

Then again, this is a -tan we're dealing with; many OS-tans have traits that make little sense in relation to their systems. For instance...

-Unix-sama is typically austere and joyless and a former industrialist, while Unix was a grassroots OS, considered radically flexible, fun to work with and free during the time of the early hackers.

-The DEC-tans are a military/militia, while DEC, IRL, was a somewhat unorganised, mom-and-pop sort of company as far as computer corporations go.

-XP-tan is a notorious hog, while XP's actual RAM/HD requirements are rather conservative.

-Mac-tan often depicted as a bomb-weilding beserker, while Macs are popularly depicted as stable, friendly and intuitive.

-Multics-sama and Unix-sama faced off against each other with Multics being defeated; this has absolutely no basis in computer history, since Multics was harmed far worse by competing mainframes than by the rise of the Unix-powered mini.

...on the flip-side, haters often accuse Unix of being difficult, DEC took a very isolationist stance when it came to accepting outside OSes, XP used a lot of system requirements for its day (2001 ;P), Macs are sometimes considered unapproachable and many Multics-advocates blame the downfall of their beloved OS on Unix. We've chosen to utilize these stereotypes to build a more interesting story; because I don't know it'd be half as interesting if Unix-sama was a genki hacker, the DECs were a horde of free-spirited bohemians, or that Multics and Unix-sama's relationship was "a little rough" but completely nonviolent (and possibly even mutually respectful.)

Or to put it another way... sometimes, a single stereotype will become a defining factor for a -tan.

Let's use SAGE-tan as an example. SAGE-tan's defining trait is her current-day frenetic, psychotic personality. But, in Stewart's stories at least, she isn't completely defined by her psychosis, with rather frequent moments of clarity and some more sympathetic traits too. It's not a lack of a single defining trait that makes a good character -- it's not letting the character be DEFINED by this factor that's the trick to making her more than a one-shot caricature.

Of course, writing stories about the character helps -- because you can only get so far, literarily, milking a stereotype before things get boring.

Quote from: "Bella Labs"Honestly, level-headed characters bore me... especially with a character who has SO much craziness potential.

Potential? Yes. Stereotypical?
That's my problem - falling her into the crazy-destroyer-of-worlds stereotype is a bit annoying, really.

Quote from: "Bella Labs"Sure, it was a system with various fail-safes to keep it from malfunctioning and accidentally causing WWIII, but it was still a "doomsday machine"... that's not a very rational thing, period.

But it was! In those days, having the ability to cause WWIII was absolutely necessary to avoid actually causing it. Cold war game theory may seem screwed up now, but I assure you, when you're on opposite sides of ideology, the Atlantic, and everything else, you damn right want to be sure that your deterrence is strong enough. And with Reagan in charge (which he was when she was built) even more so. So while her ideas of ending the world etc might make her seem batshit to others, her mind hasn't exactly deteriorated at all seeing as game theory is what runs her logic.

Quote from: "Bella Labs"Of course, writing stories about the character helps -- because you can only get so far, literarily, milking a stereotype before things get boring.

And it's a good way of v2-ing as well. What we do need is a definite character design, though. I'll be working on one, but if you want to make one of your own, go ahead, and we'll v2 ourselves out of that as well. As for my design, my starting point will be: Bearskin coat.
EDIT: Interesting point here. The Russian word for bear is Medved, being the base of last names such as...you guessed it. If she indeed has a bear-ish design, she should be on pretty good grounds with the current president, just because. -w-

NOW THEN
I have drawn up a quick sketchy of my spontaneous design for Mertvaya Ruka-tan. Due to scanner being unavailable and camera having crashed, I'll just take this crappy cellphone photo to show you where I'm heading.
(Will give this some well needed touchup in GIMP, but for the moment, this'll have to do)
http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g239/NejinOniwa/OS-Tans/07092010145.jpg

Quote from: "NejinOniwa"That's my problem - falling her into the crazy-destroyer-of-worlds stereotype is a bit annoying, really.

True. Like I said before (somewhere else, not in that quote you used), I don't think she'd be certifiably insane or anything, but my vision of her is far from totally emotionally together, either.

So she's all there mentally (and thus, competent), but emotionally she's a little... or perhaps a lot... off.

QuoteBut it was! In those days, having the ability to cause WWIII was absolutely necessary to avoid actually causing it. Cold war game theory may seem screwed up now, but I assure you, when you're on opposite sides of ideology, the Atlantic, and everything else, you damn right want to be sure that your deterrence is strong enough. And with Reagan in charge (which he was when she was built) even more so. So while her ideas of ending the world etc might make her seem batshit to others, her mind hasn't exactly deteriorated at all seeing as game theory is what runs her logic.

I think you've hit on an important point here...

Mertvaya Ruka was built to "cool down all the hotheads", and Mertvaya-tan's personality should follow suit. I get that now.

BUT... there's a difference between being able to cool down hotheads, and being one of these cool-heads yourself. Perhaps, like a heavy-handed father who yells at his children threatening punishment if they don't behave, Mertvaya-tan's method of keeping the peace wasn't particularly peaceable.

Sometimes it takes the threat of unleashing hell to keep people under control -- and I see Mertvaya-tan as having more of a "if you start something with them I will have to end it with HORRIBLE RESULTS"-mindset than a "can't we just talk this out like reasonable adults?"-type.

Also like to point out that I see her as being more VENGEFUL than AGGRESSIVE -- her job was not only to "keep the peace" under threat of nuclear annihilation, but launch a retaliatory strike should her Motherland be attacked.

QuoteAnd it's a good way of v2-ing as well. What we do need is a definite character design, though. I'll be working on one, but if you want to make one of your own, go ahead, and we'll v2 ourselves out of that as well. As for my design, my starting point will be: Bearskin coat.
EDIT: Interesting point here. The Russian word for bear is Medved, being the base of last names such as...you guessed it. If she indeed has a bear-ish design, she should be on pretty good grounds with the current president, just because. -w-

Bearskin overcoat sounds about right. You know me, I make tons of costumes for any given character, so I'm totally flexible there.

Hm, that is interesting...

QuoteNOW THEN
I have drawn up a quick sketchy of my spontaneous design for Mertvaya Ruka-tan. Due to scanner being unavailable and camera having crashed, I'll just take this crappy cellphone photo to show you where I'm heading.
(Will give this some well needed touchup in GIMP, but for the moment, this'll have to do)
http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g239/NejinOniwa/OS-Tans/07092010145.jpg

You know, this actually meshes almost perfectly with my own ideas for her appearance-- light wavy hair, light eyes, the overcoat and uniform, so I don't think I'll be making many changes to your design when I draw her. Well, might lengthen her uniform coat a bit... as anyone who's seen my military-tans can attest, I DO love going overboard with creative uniforms. -v-

New post to keep things in line.

THIS POST ON THE CHARACTER DESIGN ON MERTVAYA RUKA
First of all, keep in mind that I did this with no respect at all to any sort of anatomical correctness (since I suck so greatly at drawage in the first place, I didn't bother this time) of her body. Yes, she has a franken-hand, but that's supposed to be the "Dead Hand" hand - more on that later.

Her basic outfit is almost a clean copy of the Russian army jacket, with slight alteration: instead of the laurels on the collar, I changed it to the crossed arrows of the Russian Federation Strategic Rocket Forces' insignia (since I presume this is the Rod she belongs to) in a slightly original design. Other than that, I haven't thought much up - I suppose you could change colors (instead of the army green) on the jacket or something - the sword-and-shield/sunburst/whatever that round thing is of the SRF's insignia is hung around her neck like a medallion, and the enormous coat is supposed to be a bearskin coat (and thus brown and fluffy).

The clothing aside, my main point of the design is her appearance and facial features - the short platina/white hairdo, the ENORMOUS eyebags and her generally looking like someone who's been sleeping yet missing out on sleep for the last 2 decades or so (since that is effectively what she has been doing).

A few additions to her personality list:
The thing with her hiding her normal hand in her pockets is a bit of thing with her, as she was born in a bunker and maint'ed by an all-male staff (as neither Soviet nor Russian armies have/had female conscripts) and thus has a pretty skewed look at the entire sense of female-ness. I'm thinking her reasoning would be something in the line of; "Sure, it might not work properly, but at least my right hand is the right size. The other one looks like a baby hand, none must be let to see!" or something. I'm also thinking the same for her chest - she's not a complete pettanko, and while she may not be the most well-endowed of the OS-tans, it's enough to make it quite obvious. The solution? Sarashis. Or the like. Lots of them.

As for her face looking like a creepy emo ghost or whatnot, the "bunker kid" stuff does that to you, I'd say.

QUESTIONS NAO, KTHX

THIS POST IN RESPONSE TO BELLA, AND SCREW DOUBLES

Quote from: "Bella Labs"True. Like I said before (somewhere else, not in that quote you used), I don't think she'd be certifiably insane or anything, but my vision of her is far from totally emotionally together, either.

So she's all there mentally (and thus, competent), but emotionally she's a little... or perhaps a lot... off.

This goes pretty well together with the "Bunker Kid" image of her, so yeah. Her appearance gives it all away, too. -w-

Quote from: "Bella Labs"I think you've hit on an important point here...

Mertvaya Ruka was built to "cool down all the hotheads", and Mertvaya-tan's personality should follow suit. I get that now.

BUT... there's a difference between being able to cool down hotheads, and being one of these cool-heads yourself. Perhaps, like a heavy-handed father who yells at his children threatening punishment if they don't behave, Mertvaya-tan's method of keeping the peace wasn't particularly peaceable.

Sometimes it takes the threat of unleashing hell to keep people under control -- and I see Mertvaya-tan as having more of a "if you start something with them I will have to end it with HORRIBLE RESULTS"-mindset than a "can't we just talk this out like reasonable adults?"-type.

Also like to point out that I see her as being more VENGEFUL than AGGRESSIVE -- her job was not only to "keep the peace" under threat of nuclear annihilation, but launch a retaliatory strike should her Motherland be attacked.

The vengeful thing is good, I suppose - I'd rather write it as unforgiving, though, because that's more the spirit I'm looking for, here.
As for her methods and mindset, that direction seems likely - just don't let it go too far, though. She should still be plenty able to keep herself cool in most situations - like a bear, though, her temper is plenty unpredictable, and she goes pretty loud and crazy when she gets mad. So yeah - shouting down the kremlins in their boots seems like a good job for her.

Quote from: "Bella Labs"
You know, this actually meshes almost perfectly with my own ideas for her appearance-- light wavy hair, light eyes, the overcoat and uniform, so I don't think I'll be making many changes to your design when I draw her. Well, might lengthen her uniform coat a bit... as anyone who's seen my military-tans can attest, I DO love going overboard with creative uniforms. -v-

See post on character design. But it seems like we'll be able to get along on this one.

Also: another interesting thing is that the SRF has gone through 3 commanders the 3 last years. Turbulent times, and so we might have some of this reflect on our dear Mertvaya, no?

.....i liek it :3

I know I'm a bit late in the game on this post, but Nej -- those are excellent ideas for Mertvaya-san. I especially like her gender roll-confusion, but it makes sense considering she was raised entirely by men.

Anyhoo, I feel like making:
-VAX-kun/tan (VMS-sama's badass NH-ite[?] companion)
-IBM PC-tan (MOTHER OF ALL PCS~)
-MUMPS-tan http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MUMPS
-and PTS (Paper Tape System)-tan (an early PDP 11 OS -- it was surpassed by DOS Batch 11, and that's about all I know)

But yeah... I'm not in a drawing/character-designing mood.

._____.

For my super productive 1500th post I bring to you a lost CDC and a pair of Norwegians that includes my first editor-kun.  Not quite in the bishie mold of Bella's though....


CDC VSOS/EOS-tan
-Half-sister of NOS/VE, actual parentage unsure but raised by NOS
-Self-assured and independent, takes SCOPE-sama's ravings to heart (actually built by the CDC spin-off company ETA Systems)
-Despite being disliked by the the customers, and considered a failure by the company and customers
-Probably delusional
-One of the most understanding CDC's, acts as intermediary often within the companies and as CDC's ambassador
--The administrative competence of KRONOS, the old fashioned sense of SCOPE, urge to do science from LTSS, and an undercurrent of insanity/bitchiness from NOS
-Does so with cookies
-The only CDC capable of using open sorcery
-A friend of VM/CMS-tan, gets along well with NOS/VE
-Considered odd and old fashioned, reinvented herself after the name change but still hangs on to her fashion sense
-Has an obsession with UNIX-sama, believes they're "married", despite her being the cause of all her problems
-Now withdrawn from CDC life, taught high school for a while, and now entirely retired
-Status: Alive

Appearance: Discovered the female version of KRONOS's conservative business suits, coupled with nice hats, taller then NOS/VE but better developed, keeps her hair short, wears several pins on her lapel, a wedding ring, locket with UNIX's picture


SINTRAN-tan (covers I-III/VS)
-Norwegian
-Empress of the Norsk Data Empire
-Extremely polite, but cocky; looked down on PC operating systems
-Was overthrown in the early 90's
--Taken down several pegs by the revolution, now sullen and withdrawn.  Works part time as an accountant while in hiding
-Enjoys the gardening and growing produce as well as tutoring in her spare time.
-Speaks almost exclusively in acronyms or shortened words
-Proud of her contributions to science, especially CERN
-Operating system of the NORD-5, the world's first 32-bit minicomputer (beat VAX by 6 years)
-Had an open challenge to VMS that was never accepted
-Status: Alive, in hiding

Appearance: Average height, Prime: Brown hair, blue eyes, royal garments, stylish dresses, or gardening wear depending on the occasion; Currently: Gray hair, missing one leg, far less showy, mostly heavy jackets, plain shirts, and pants or skirts


PED (Programmers' EDitor)-kun
-Text editor and bodyguard for SINTRAN
-Known for his power rather then being pretty
-Defected to the PC's during the Revolution
-Status: Deceased

Appearance: short, heavy set and muscular, typically wears a suit coat over an Army uniform


Still to do:
Heathkit H11
HDOS
LINC
ACE
ORVYL & WYLBUR
NLTSS

@VSOS/EOS-tan: genderswapped KRONOS was the first thing that came to mind. x3

In love with Unix-sama despite thinking she's the root of all her problems, OMG, MAH SISTAH. Although she's gonna have to fight Slackware-tan and Vi-kun and Linux-tan to get near Ma Bell Labs... :V

@SINTRAN and PED: Computers from Norway?! Hmm, really liking SINTRAN-tan's design. Interesting that she has a rivalry with VMS-tan and worked for CERN, since VMS-tan was once employed by CERN too.

What happened to her leg? O.o;;

Fufufu, finally we meet a manly-man editor-kun! Well, Vi's a bit of a twink and Emacs is a prettyboy and CANDE and QED are downright fops, but I'd like to think Red-kun and CEO-kun are pretty masculine... well maybe not so much CEO....

(I happened to think, one of the reasons I'm probably so in love with the OS-tan fandom is because it's a mainly female-character-driven universe, with most of the male characters being there solely to assist/be arm-candy for the OS-tans. </randomthoughts>)

LINC, I wondered if a LINC-tan had been done yet! It's from Walt-Tham Mass, which makes it Relevant to My Interests. I came up with concepts for ORVYL and WYLBUR-tan yeaaaaars ago, but I forget most of the details, so it's fair game now. (I do remember envisioning them as an OS-tan/Editor-kun coupling, and aviators at that).

So, I've sort of discovered a bunch of old DEC operating systems...

DECsys (1965, making it one of the oldest DEC OSes; ran on the PDP-7 and 4 [supposedly])
http://simh.trailing-edge.com/docs/decsys.pdf

Right-of-the-bat, I have a few characters ideas:
-An esoteric personality (DECsys was used for software development rather than general use)
-Introverted, can't handle large groups (single-user)
-A hoarder (DECsys had no file delete functions)

Advanced Monitor System, DOS-15 and VVM-DOS:
http://simh.trailing-edge.com/docs/advmonsys.pdf
No -tan ideas for these three, aside from them all having revived in emulated form... :\

DOS-15:
-Similar in appearance to DEC w/ MSDOS traits (i'm thinking an older, jaded MS)
-Stubborn (due to blatant refusal to boot and run certian programs off of original code on emulators), also seems to dislike emulators
-Anti-Social (hard to find and seems to like it that way), reculsive
-Alive, in hiding

also, i like what you guys have come up wity for characters; however due to homework/school, and lack of laptop, i doubt i'll be able to contribute much untill speedy is fixed. after that, with the size upgrade i just bought, i should be able to whip up a few things. ^^

LADIES. AND. GENTRYMEN.

I BRING YOU. A PREVIEW.
http://nejinoniwa.deviantart.com/art/WITCH-tan-version-0-8A-184789651

WITCH-tan (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WITCH_%28computer%29):
-designed as above
-all other information classified for now

It is a preview because no further information will be given, until we reach the appropriate point in MR@Story. Lulz.

Look, another really old computer.

MONIAC (Monetary National Income Analogue Computer)-tan AKA Phillips Hydraulic Computer AKA Phillips Machine AKA Financephalograp
-New Zealand volunteer in the RAF during WWII, now demobbed (prototype built with parts from a Lancaster bomber)
-Was badly injured, leading to her reconstruction into MONIAC; not all of her could be saved and thus has some transparent patches of skin.  Notably her arms to above the elbow.
--Part machine
-Currently an economics professor (used to model the UK & NZ national economies)
-Passionate about economic theory, as it's the sole reason she exists
-Doesn't like being reminded of her relic status
-Enjoys a good Terry Pratchett book, no matter what he may get wrong
-Still highly respected for her accuracy and availability in the post war period
-Can easily become dehydrated (used water as part of the model)
-Prone to expounding upon the importance of preserving the purity of ones bodily fluids... no ones sure if it's a metaphor or not...
-Believes herself a sister of ENIAC; definitely is not
-Distrustful of her military/government brethren (one of the first civilian computers)
-Friend, some time associate of Digi-Comp-tan and corespondent/tutor to GENIAC-chan (all three extremely capable mechanical computers)
-Status: Very much alive; Cambridge, University of Leeds, University of Istanbul, University of Melbourne, and the Reserve Bank of New Zealand all posses functioning or potentially functioning machines.

Appearance: One of the smaller earlier computers height wise, expressive eyes (light yellow), blue-grey hair (machine color) long, possible prehensile, typically wears a suit coat with whatever other garments she may be wearing, most parts of her lower arm see-through, covered with long black opera gloves

I shall comment on MONICA, I mean, MONIAC at a later date; but I'd like to take the opportunity to mention that, whilst researching CSAIL for some OS-tan writage fact-checking, I discovered a most interesting tidbit of info.

MIT MADE THE WORLDS FIRST OPERATING SYSTEM, THE DIRECTOR TAPE PROGRAM! FSCK YES! SUCK THAT GMOS!!!!!

http://www.csail.mit.edu/timeline/timeline.php?query=event&id=3

Sounds like it ran on Whirlwind... or something... @.@

This raises the question of where Director Tape Program fits into the OS-tan scheme of things. It ran on Whirlwind (I think) which makes me inclined to just wrap it up with HER character design (making her the - FCK YEAH - world's first hardware to have an OS), but I'll leave it to clearer minds to figure this out. = =

Or, if you want to go an adventurous route, you could make DTP her assistant. Flipping the entire OS-to-hardware-tan power structure on its head for once. :3

CSAIL?

Now THAT's a damn plot portal for sure.

Plot portals aside, anything to say about DTP and its possible -tan/-kun? You did help me clarify a lot of stuff surrounding PDP 1 and THOR... including deciding to split 'em into different -tans...

well for starters s/he should have ribbon-like hair....or lots of bows.....or both.....

i'm getting a mental image, but that could be because i made a gaia avatar of ME-tan earlier and the hair i used was FANTABULOUS~~~~*sparkle sparkle*

make her whirlwind's assistant, but semi-resentful about it. this would lead to the later subjugation of the once-great hardware-tans by the modern OS-tans (maybe with a subplot of 95 using hardware-tans as slave labour during the OS wars).

ugh, i haven't drawn anything in awhile that wasn't for class......makes me sad to think about it >____<;

@Stew: I'm really liking MONIAC-tan's design. I am a bit curious about her construction, though... is she part machine? (The Lancaster bomber, wasn't that the plane that only had an ejection seat for the pilot? Or am I getting my random plane trivia mixed up?)

@Kari: I drew a Director Tape Program-tan, incorporating some of your ideas (more on that below)...



DTP-tan, left; Fortran Monitor Program-tan, right top

I gave DTP-tan lots of ribbons, both as a reference to the "tape" nature of the program and her mistress. Her arm-wrap-thingies, sarashi and dress furthers the tape/ribbon theme, but the later also has a touch of scrappiness, since she's still a servant and not very wealthy. As Whirlwind-hime's assistant, DTP mostly organises and sorts information for her; as such, Whirlwind lacks the dependence that marks later hardware and program/operating system-tan relationships (Whirlwind was perfectly capable of working sans DTP[?]). DTP's and Whirlwind's relationship is a little more ambivalent than Kari proposed.

A note on DTP's species; she's an ancestral OS, having little resemblance to modern OSes and a lot of overlap with a just plain program-tan.

As for Fortran Monitor Program-tan... not a lot to say...
-She's IBSYS's (and therefore BESYS's and UMES-tan's?) mother/predecessor
-Puts the Compatible in Compatible Timesharing System (CTSS ran a vritualized copy of FMP for batch processing purposes -- CTSS and FMP-tan would have been acquaintances and possibly friends)
-Easy to get along with (FORTRAN was a rather accessible language)  
-But rather limited in ability (simple tape-based OS used to compile FORTRAN programs)

White hair, light eyes, mid-30s in physical age, dresses in plain Victorianesque clothing.

Lancaster was a World War II era RAF bomber; it didn't have any ejector seats.

DTP-tan looks pretty cool.  I agree that there's probably not a lot of resentment between her and Whirlwind-hime.  This is before any OS even thought of being considered superior to the hardware they ran on.  Machines weren't nearly as dependent on them as today's computers are; I'd say into the 60's this'd still be true.  Perhaps they'd simply be on about even footing, status wise, but hardware was still far from OS dependent.  The /360 series from IBM would perhaps be the first series of OS's to be considered superior to/higher class then their hardware.

Fortran Monitor.... never could think of anything for her.  Good work Bells!

both look epic! love what you did with DTP-tan, and i agree with taking out the resentful nature since the whole "os superiority" thing probably didn't come about untill much later. maybe have one of her descendants be as spoiled and entitlement-mentalited as LISA-tan was as a child. xD

OMG GUIZE I JUST FOUND A FRIEND FOR MERTVAYA AND SAGE-TAN!!!!

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/06/05/tob_minuteman_1/

http://www.computerhistory.org/VirtualVisibleStorage/theme.php?tax_id=02.06.00.00

http://www.flickr.com/photos/cshym74/3572455024/

Minuteman I Guidance Computer-tan.... Y/N? I think I know what the answer is. :3

she's so perfect!! :3

If nobody else is overly willing to take this on, I'll be glad to take this nuker as well. -w-

Go for it. I wanted to give making D17-tan a shot, but I'm clear out of ideas. :\

Its wiki article: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/D-17B

Here's a good image of the D17 for inspiration~ http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/38/Autonetics_D-17.JPG

Looks like She's going to have a lot'a bling!

i kinda want her hair to be in twin loops, with little metal clips on the side, like the little loops on the top right. :3

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/D-37C http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minuteman_III#Minuteman-II_.28LGM-30F.29 http://www.techbastard.com/missile/minuteman2/index.php
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/D37D http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minuteman_III#Minuteman-III_.28LGM-30G.29 http://www.techbastard.com/missile/minuteman3/index.php
And here comes the rest of the family.

Less visual data on these, but I think they're quite doable as well. Another option would be to make one single, universal Minuteman-tan for them all - Y/N, /osc/?

it'd be cute to have I, II, and III all as sisters, gradually getting younger, all nearly identical. :3

Quote from: "NejinOniwa"http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/D-37C http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minuteman_III#Minuteman-II_.28LGM-30F.29 http://www.techbastard.com/missile/minuteman2/index.php
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/D37D http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minuteman_III#Minuteman-III_.28LGM-30G.29 http://www.techbastard.com/missile/minuteman3/index.php
And here comes the rest of the family.

Less visual data on these, but I think they're quite doable as well. Another option would be to make one single, universal Minuteman-tan for them all - Y/N, /osc/?

Y! Y! Y! For the love of code, Y!

We do NOT need more redundant characters than we have already. ><

:[

now i know how krizo felt. karma's a bitch.

Well, one for, one against...

Truth be told though, I'm probably gonna do one single version since it gives for a more "rival" character for Mertvaya (if i want to use that) and the fact that it's easier to simplify (since I suck and take lots of time with my drawery) than to complicate.

rival? well, rival countries, but the OSes themselves seem like they would be two peas in a pod.

For the record, even if she is an American missile SAGE probably wouldn't like her very much.  On the subject of multiple vs. single -tans for Minuteman; I'd say stick with one.  Might want to think about the Titan too. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ASC-15)

Quote from: NejinOniwa on January 04, 2011, 03:59:28 AM
Well, one for, one against...

Truth be told though, I'm probably gonna do one single version since it gives for a more "rival" character for Mertvaya (if i want to use that) and the fact that it's easier to simplify (since I suck and take lots of time with my drawery) than to complicate.

Agreed. At this point, more characters just = more work to me. Then there's the Law of Interesting Character Features Conservation - have four semi-developed, sort-of interesting characters, or ONE character that's fully fleshed out and developed.

Quote from: Chocofreak13 on January 02, 2011, 09:47:45 PM
i kinda want her hair to be in twin loops, with little metal clips on the side, like the little loops on the top right. :3

This.

Quote from: stewartsage on January 04, 2011, 03:25:12 PM
For the record, even if she is an American missile SAGE probably wouldn't like her very much.  On the subject of multiple vs. single -tans for Minuteman; I'd say stick with one.  Might want to think about the Titan too. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ASC-15)

...Cause the missiles diminished her usefulness?

I wanna make an ASC-15-tan too now. D:

hmm, i feel a little better since someone took my input seriously.

i'd like to see a comik/picture/something with SAGE, Mertvaya and Minuteman together. :3

@bells: if you want to, then go for it. :3

That comic sounds like it'd have to be printed on 98% explodium paper.

what's the other 2%?

Pure rage emanating from SAGE somewhere in the Ultra Violent range.

for a second there, i read that as "ultra violence". -w-

i was reading an article from a 2001 reader's digest, only to inadvertently discover that one of the people who created Minuteman (and a similar missile, UGM-27 Polaris) was a holocaust survivor.

maybe we could work some sort of anti nazi angle into Minuteman's personality.....just a thought.

Anti-nazi, like what, hating the Zuses? -w-;

not sure how to work that in.....just thought i'd suggest it.

maybe make a polaris-tan, but that might be more of a mecha musume thing. :\

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deep_Blue_(chess_computer)

make.

Hm, maybe.  She'd be long dead though...

I'm reading the article right now, and it says that Deep Blue ran the Unix OS AIX, and there is an AIX-tan, and I think she and Deep Blue-tan would have been colleagues, and AIX-tan herself loves to play chess too! :)

Referencing Deep Blue's brute-force search methods of calculations, she is extremely strong as well as intelligent, but was accused by detractors and skeptics of being a cheater.

Her chess career began early in her life, reaching its height starting in 1993, or did start in '93 if she represents just the Deep Blue model, as I'm not sure whether she also represents Deep Blue's predecessors Deep Thought (1988) and ChipTest (1985). Maybe she comes from a lineage of renowned chess players?

Appearance-wise, I see her as being very tall with blue hair and wearing a long black dress with white pinstripes.

When was Deep Blue dismantled?

Not to diminish the importance of Deep Blue, I find THIS ONE far more interesting. Heck, it's even named after the beloved founder of IBM, *blessings upon his name* http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Watson_%28computer%29

For god's sake, it's gonna be on Jeopardy! What will IBM think of next... a Wheel-of-Fortune-playing laptop? A Price Is Right-competing mainframe? A hula-hooping android? Wonders never cease... @0@

After her match with Kasparov, in 1997 or early 1998.

My brother mentioned that.

Why was Deep Blue dismantled? Would that translate to Deep Blue-tan getting killed by her own staff?

@Bella: That is awesome! From what glimpse I could get of the Watson, it reminds me of the black slab from "2001: Space Odyssey", so I think Watson-tan would dress in a futuristic-yet-minimalistic fashion, but also include glowing crystals on her dress, or glowing eyes referencing the glowing screen on the Watson machine.

Er, it's complicated.  Probably/possibly because IBM wanted to prevent anyone investigating whether or not they cheated to beat Kasparov.  Or because she didn't really have much long range purpose beyond being a chess playing computer; either way euthanized would be the best term I suppose. 

the whole reason i looked this up is because i saw it on 1000 ways to die. one of the computers killed a man via electrified chessboard.

i'm watching the clip now, it turns out the computer was called the Comrade 5000, and it played (and killed) a man in 1977.

http://www.spike.com/video/end-game/3506369

Quote from: Aurora Borealis on January 19, 2011, 10:22:33 PM
Why was Deep Blue dismantled?

probably so no one could steal it (don't know how anyone could do that though because of its size but you never know how far a person might go to do something like that) or print the data log since IBM didn't want to show them until later.

Quotestealing a mainframe

DID SOMEONE JUST HERP? CUZ I THINK I HERD A DERP.

i thought you'd like this, nej. sociopathic, chess playing, murderous russian super computer. >:3

BUT IT'S NOT AVAILABLE IN MY COUNTRY >:[

wa chu mean?

The usual region-blocking. Standard "we're sorry this isn't available in your country herp" derp video comes up instead. AND IT'S NOT ON 'TUBE EITHER. IRAGE. >:[

;___;

EDIT: i tried to embed it in the post but html coding is disabled here apparently so sorry. :[

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=39jtNUGgmd4
thought you guys would like this, made me feel proud to get their certification.

i lvoe IBM. <3 the thinkpad came out the year i was born. ^^ i have one from 98', and it runs like it's brand new. it's a fricken' tank. of course, i'd expect ibm to make a quality product. <3

here's to a hundred more years of TMC, or IBM if you prefer. <3

ps. according to wiki, the company that would become ibm was founded in 1896, making the company actually 115 years old. ^^

I just want to know why the hell SAGE and AN/FSQ weren't mentioned, considering that those are among the most impressive systems IBM any computer manufacturer has ever created.

Then again, those might've only been IBM in construction - with most of the design work done by MIT - cause there's no way IBM could have come up with something so inventive by themselves. Which raises another set of larger and even rage-ier questions....

calm down bells ;__;

I WILL NEVAR CALM DOWN!!!11!!!!11

In fact, so enraged am I that I swapped out my IBM-centric sig for something a bit more... regional. >>

AND you swapped your avatar to something more...well. Whaddya call that? Naval? _W_

Naval AND regional! VMS-sama is a Maynard, Mass (and Nashua, NH) native~

I changed my custom title to Molly Guard too... 100 Internets to anyone who knows what it refers to. XD

Isn't that the ones on the horsies?

The little cover over the on/off toggle on older computers?

A Molly Guard (http://www.catb.org/jargon/html/M/molly-guard.html) is a cover that keeps somebody from frobbing the Scram Switch (http://www.catb.org/jargon/html/S/scram-switch.html)/Big Red Switch (http://www.catb.org/jargon/html/B/Big-Red-Switch.html) on a computer. Typically used in the context of mainframes. -w-

Bells, your new avatar scares me ;__;

BUT WHY.
MY CREATION ;_;

Quote from: Chocofreak13 on January 23, 2011, 10:10:02 PM
Bells, your new avatar scares me ;__;

GOOD.

Cause OpenVMS-sama is a terrifying, terrifying sword-wielding, knife-fetishizing, shark-swimming, leather-wearing, skiddie/virus/cracker-defeating, resistance-group-leading emotionally-distant-aromantic/asexual.

.....you? :3

No. For one thing, she's about 500% more aromantic/asexual. And about ten notches up on the Terrifying Scale. And emotionally-distant. And generally badass in all respects. >>

Which leads me to the question:
VMS COSPLAY WHEN? ´V´

srsly. poast toast bells.

WHEN I FIND BLUE + WHITE WIG, I SHALL DO VMS-TAN COSPLAY.

But srsly. Upon rummaging through my closet, I realised I'm a pair of wings and a purple wig away from being able to cosplay reborn!Multics, and that I have just about everything I need to do GECOS-tan. :V

MULTICS? DO FUCKEN WANT

OMG I JUST HAD THE BEST IDEAR EVER:

Cosplay Multics and/or VMS-tan at Otakon
Get Stew and/or Red to cosplay as Emacs and/or RED (which would be totally easy, since they already have the right hair colours and the costumes would be simple enough to assemble)
????
EPIC OS-TAN/EDITOR-KUN SET PROFIT.

FUND IT

On another thought, WHAT THE HELL AM I SUPPOSED TO COSPLAY AS, I'VE DONE THIS DAMN VISTA THING FOR 2 YEARS NOW

OMG I GOT IT!!!! YOU COULD BE HONEYWELL 6180-KUN.

HEIGHT + LONG, LIGHT HAIR + AWESOME SUIT/SHIRT COMBOS = H-6180-KUN.

REFERENCE PIX...but he's short-haired. >_>

Is not.

Hmmm...dunno where you hid that, but it might work...
Hafta skimp a bit on the silvery-ness, tho.

i give up on otakon. you people don't listen to my ideas/plans, and yet you expect me to do the majority of the work. ;__;

nej, if you lighten your hair slightly you might be able to make a passing SE-kun. Just act HAAA-DO GAAAAAY~~~

or a mac? :\

Bah, lighten up Choco! What does it matter, if we all go as canon-tans or not? Isn't going to the con and getting to hang out with each other the main point of the trip? :<

But yes.

I am so going as Multics.

And Stewart and Nej are gonna be Emacs-kun and H6180-kun. :3

*sigh* yes, but.....

nevermind :\

I'm not really satisfied with the design for LINC.  The reason it's taken so long for me to post this is the more I read, the more important important LINC seemed to me.  A good part of the 60's DEC line was either based on or based on part of LINC's systems, plus LINCTape became DECTape, RSTS, OS/8, and TSS-8 all were created for systems that descended from LINC.  Additionally, she may have beat both UNIX and Linux to a form of open sorcery when MIT put her design in the Public Domain.  So without further ado, LINC.

LINC (Laboratory INstrument Computer)
-Born in 1961 at MIT's Lincoln Laboratory
-Semi-related to Whirlwind (through TX-2's use to develop LINCTape)
-Went to work for DEC in 1964
-Largely forgotten, even by her children, only really RSTS
-Didn't get along well with the company/her fellow computers and OS's
--Refused to serve in the military
--Dislikes most company OS's
--Not very pro-DEC
--DEC lost patent on DECTape because of LINCTape
-Very friendly, especially with her contemporaries
-Worked for the National Institute of Mental Health for a while as well, developed some psychological skills
-Intelligent; has a good memory and quick recall (LINCTape was highly reliable and better then any contemporary system)
-Needs her planner to do anything, becomes lost without it (LINCTape wasn't an option, needed to operate)
-Can be difficult to talk to, only talking to one person at a time (locking keyboard meant only one key could be struck at once)
-Mother to a substantial part of the early DEC lineup; PDP-4, PDP-5, LINC-8 (a LINC and PDP-8 in one cabinet), and PDP-12, influenced PDP-11
-Considered something of a witch, possessed strange powers over paper (her design was entirely Public Domain)
-Status: Alive

Appearance: (as remembered) blue eyes, usually black dresses, wore green ribbons in her hair, a labcoat, necklace, in later years a stab vest (demonstration of LINCTape reliability often involved punch holes in tape with a paper punch)

Whirlwind-like was the first thing that came to mind.

"Strange powers over paper" made me think of Yomiko's (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yomiko_Readman) papermaster powers; perhaps her stab-vest would've been made of some personally-constructed hardened paper? ^^

I'll probably provide comments in the form of drawage~ :3

I'm willing to wait for some of that, but I might cook up something of my own as well. If my block goes away, at least. -_-

Sounds like an interesting character! Is she the biological mother of many of the DEC-tans?

Awww... Too bad she didn't get along with those who she helped create, nor was she loyal to their company. What happened there?

@Bella: That's what I thought too when I first read her description! :D

Quote from: Bells"Strange powers over paper" made me think of Yomiko's papermaster powers; perhaps her stab-vest would've been made of some personally-constructed hardened paper? ^^

Rumors to the effect that the author was thinking of the power associated with the British Library's 'Agent Paper' are totally and completely false.  That's also a good idea.

Quote from: Aurora-donoSounds like an interesting character! Is she the biological mother of many of the DEC-tans?

Awww... Too bad she didn't get along with those who she helped create, nor was she loyal to their company. What happened there?

She could be considered the biological grandmother/mother of any that used the DECTape system I suppose, if you mean the OS's.  At best she's a godmother or the like to any/all PDP-8 OS's.

Well, once they grew up that is.  Well she was a native MIT rather then a DEC, one of the last I believe, and resented being torn away from the life of academia and research at NIMH to be a corporate shill for DEC.  Plus, I imagine her beliefs (being a public domain system) would be rather counter to any corporate culture.  Plus, her later refusal to serve in the military; think of it as sort of like being a conscientious objector or a 'draft dodger' during a time of war (see Foyle's War Series I, A Lesson in Murder).

does liek. -w-
*waits patiently for pics*

Quote from: stewartsage on February 03, 2011, 01:23:12 PMRumors to the effect that the author was thinking of the power associated with the British Library's 'Agent Paper' are totally and completely false.  That's also a good idea.

Ahhh-ha! *feels smug for figuring it out*

Quote from: stewartsage on February 03, 2011, 01:23:12 PM

Quote from: Aurora-donoSounds like an interesting character! Is she the biological mother of many of the DEC-tans?

Awww... Too bad she didn't get along with those who she helped create, nor was she loyal to their company. What happened there?

She could be considered the biological grandmother/mother of any that used the DECTape system I suppose, if you mean the OS's.  At best she's a godmother or the like to any/all PDP-8 OS's.

Well, once they grew up that is.  Well she was a native MIT rather then a DEC, one of the last I believe, and resented being torn away from the life of academia and research at NIMH to be a corporate shill for DEC.  Plus, I imagine her beliefs (being a public domain system) would be rather counter to any corporate culture.  Plus, her later refusal to serve in the military; think of it as sort of like being a conscientious objector or a 'draft dodger' during a time of war (see Foyle's War Series I, A Lesson in Murder).

I'm partial to her being the (intellectual/adoptive?) mother of all PDP-8 OS-tans, if only 'cause they don't have any ancestors yet and I dislike having ancestorless OS-tans when there's a possible mother-figure available.

LINC's attitude CERTAINLY would have been passed down to TSS-8 and OS/8-tan; they're both very wary about military environments (the former being a conscientious objector herself), and two of the more bohemian of the DECs.

Here's a list of other PDP-8 OSes, in case anyone wants to do some gratuitous -tanmaking: http://www.faqs.org/faqs/dec-faq/pdp8/section-10.html

good lord that's alot of -tans. o___o

Could most of the PDP-8 OSes be lumped together by a few characters? Most of them sound pretty similar. I know that OS/8-tan also represents MS/8 and PS/8 and its variants. I recall long time ago that a TSS-8-tan was mentioned with some details, but was a design ever made for her?

usually i don't like that, but i'm inclined to agree on this one...

maybe a bunch of -tans in an overcoat....

....I might get around to them.  TSS 8 has been incorporated into the DEC fluff for a while, you'd have to ask Bells for a design though.  Think she got drawn once.

i respect the desire to -tan every computer. i deeply respect it. but in situations like this, it reminds me of what aurora (?) said: try to make it not just a one-shot character. i'm afraid it might turn out this way for this one. :\

Quote from: Aurora Borealis on February 07, 2011, 04:29:35 PM
Could most of the PDP-8 OSes be lumped together by a few characters? Most of them sound pretty similar. I know that OS/8-tan also represents MS/8 and PS/8 and its variants. I recall long time ago that a TSS-8-tan was mentioned with some details, but was a design ever made for her?

THIS.
THIS. THIS. THIS.

For the record: the only DEC OS-tans I recognise as "canon"/plan to include in any potential stories are the ones everyone remembers: VMS, RSTS, RT-11, DOS/Batch-11, RSX, Vaxeln, TENEX, TOPS-10, TSS-8 and OS/8. I don't discourage the creations of others; but we aren't going to have enough material to make them into really rich characters.

How about this: Rainbow 100 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rainbow_100), DEC's attempt at a home computer? It would be a hardware-tan, instead of an OS-tan, but I have some ideas for her character if you're interested.

EDIT: Another obscure vintage computer I thought was interesting: Kenbak-1 (http://www.vintage-computer.com/kenbak-1.shtml). A revolutionary meant to be a personal computer for the masses (released in 1971), but flopped (only 40 were produced) since the public just wasn't ready.

both of those sound like super-obscure unique characters. PERFECT. >:3

Excellent!

Rainbow 100-tan: A cadet in the DEC Military, never got promoted due to poor track record. Is physically a teen or pre-teen, a girly-girl who wears part of her uniform but also dresses colorfully, wearing many hair ribbons of various colors. Has an identity crisis, wanting to be professional, be IBM-compatible (can run MS-DOS, but still defecting from their standards wanting to also be a non-conformist, and thought she could have it both ways. Hypocritical, or short-sighted? Her strengths are that she's a great multitasker, and has a zen-like attitude towards life.

Strangely enough, I think in the present-day she's be in the CIOST, learning from the great VMS-sama on how to be badass! :D

Kenbak-1-tan: A sadder character. Wanted to do her part in ushering in the era of the personal computer-tans, thinking that her friendliness, helpfulness and technical skill would be enough to convince the masses, but got largely ignored and ultimately died alone. Altair-tan and IMSAI 8080-tan saw her as a role model, being the first two (significantly) commercially successful personal computers, they didn't really give her much recognition (post-humously?) since they both had huge egos back then.

However, in the internet age, there may be hope for vindication as Vintage-tans find out about her ambitions.

hopefully kenbak-tan got a proper burial. ;__;

part of me could see Rainbow being friends with Amiga. it seems that both would have a bubbly personality. ^^

I could see that too! Amiga-tan can even relate to Rainbow-tan's military experiences! I think Rainbow-tan would be an ally to the Binteeji Renmei as a whole too. She's also friends with Windows 1.0-tan and 2.0-tan (Windows 1.0 was ported to the Rainbow at least.)

Well... to prevent Kenbak-tan's fate from being even more depressing, I think she was able to die with dignity and get a proper funeral paid for and attended by the few dedicated followers she did have. Also, it's possible she might not be *completely* dead (like many 'deceased' OS-tans) and may still live on in some form.

still sad. ;__;

and yay, at least one of these new -tans has friends. ^^

I'd never even heard of the Kenbek 1 until you mentioned it so I don't have a great deal to say about her character; but Rainbow-tan sounds right on the money. Good call for suggesting her being friends with Amiga-tan, Kari! :^D

to be honest, when i try to picture rainbow-tan, half the time i see amiga for some reason....that's probably why i suggested it, lol. ^^;

O HAI LOOK LINC-TAN:

how sweet. ^^

PDP-10
-Born in the mid/late 1960s
-The son of PDP-6
-A conscientious objector in the form of LINC and PDP-1, he defected from the DEC military early on
-Also like LINC and PDP-1, an academic who spends most of his time hanging around universities (notably Stanford, CMU and MIT)
-One of the heroes of the Elder Days (http://www.faqs.org/docs/jargon/E/elder-days.html) of Hackerdom
-Associated with TOPS-10 (later TOPS-20), ITS, WAITS, Emacs and TECO-kun (more on him in a moment)
-An archetypal Hacker, comes off as vaguely distinctly hippiesque
-One of the few DEC mainframes; the first popular one since PDP-1
-Physically tall, shaggy, bearded, wears glasses, shorts, tie-dyed shirts, sandals and labcoats regularly.
-Alive

I have some physical ideas for PDP-8-tan (aka, one half of the LINC-8 'Ship), but not really enough to post here... .___.;;

TECO-kun:
-Born 1962 at MIT
-The intellectual son of Expensive Typewriter (?)
-Raised by/with PDP-1-tan (first version ran on the PDP-1)
-Emacs' father
-As popular as Emacs (TECO is one of the most widely re/implemented editors ever) but with none of his charm
-Seems to display the romanticism of his son (originated the MAKE LOVE easter egg)
-Tends on the mumbly/indecipherable side (the syntax of TECO is patently ridiculous and difficult to use)
-Cryptic, good at keeping secrets (TECO is considered a "write-only language (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Write-only_language)")
-Difficult. Not particularly forgiving either. (Quote: "Just about any possible typing error while talking with TECO will probably destroy your program, or even worse - introduce subtle and mysterious bugs in a once working subroutine")
-Tends to associate with DEC-tans
-Alive

Physically I see him as being red-haired, brown-eyed, similar to Emacs but "rougher"-looking and thinner.

ALL HAIL PDP 10-dono..... and, um, ladies swoon at the rugged charm of TECO?

TECO sounds like he'd be a bit of a stern father. xD
*waits for pics of both .w.*
info on PDP-8 would be nice :3

Hollerith Tabulator (HT)-tan:
-Aka CDT, IT, IAM-tan
-Born in 1890
-First EXISTING computer (Analytical Engine-tan never fully completed)
-Original punch-card computer
-Was updated several times over the course of her use, at first only being able to count, eventually being able to add and subtract, understand alphanumeric characters, automatically feed cards through, and print documents.
-Was alive until about 1970, making her the longest-living OS-tan
-Could be considered the earliest IBM
-Officially used until 1959, when IBM came out with the 1401 (likely more sad than resentful at being replaced)
- her and her descendants were moved to her creator's college, Columbia University, in 1928 (1 year before her creator died) and used until about 1970
-Likely lives on in museum environments or through private collectors (albeit she has very little power)
-Typically worked with the government and eventually Columbia University (used for the US census, twice), also worked with accountants
-13 different models made between 1890 and 1949

-5' 3"
-Brown hair w/ curls in front (original model was dark wood)
-wheat-coloured eyes; retinas pop open to reveal counting dials underneath (original model had antique golden-coloured counting dials all over)
-Slot in back of neck for wind-up key (?)
-holes in back for wires (starting with 1906 model, helped determine specific functions and connect to external devices such as a printer or a sorter)
-friendly, sweet, simple-minded (compared to later -tans, she'd be stupid, as she could only do basic calculations, however in her time she would have been considered quite smart)
-Changed her outfit with each upgrade (starting with the typical turn-of-the-century high necked, 9-gored dress, ending with 1950's housewife dress)

http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i98/Chocofreak13/HT-tan.jpg (i'd appreciate moar artz, if you need a reference to older style-clothing, go to www.pastpatterns.com )

http://www.columbia.edu/acis/history/tabulator.html (for more info and specific models)
http://www.columbia.edu/acis/history/census-tabulator.html

More pre-historic computers!

I need to get on this stack of -tans waiting in the wings, see if any'll bear fruit.

Sounds - and looks - awesome Kari! Thanks for taking on more ancient-tans. ^^

Not so ancient, but... Has anyone ever characterized AIX-tan? I've seen a few drawings by Bella but couldn't yet find a characterization.
I suppose she should be quite tough (AIX is one of the OSes with the highest security) and powerful (AIX runs on some really big iron) :D

I've drawn AIX but never got very far with her personality, I'm afraid... I do recall that she takes rather strongly after her grandmother in ways of power and security (the Multicians went as far as calling AIX a "Multics-like posing as a Unix") however. : \

@Bella: PDP-10-kun is awesome! Can't help but wonder how he managed to associate with TECO-kun, who seems really hard for anyone to get along with. Pretty cool of TOPS-10-tan to not hold PDP-10's defector status against him. :)

@Choco: I like her design. As an extremely early computer-tan, I'd imagine she'd be a clockwork human-machine hybrid, yes? Or something like the dolls from "Rozen Maiden"? She have been around to meet some of the earliest IBM-tans such as GMOS-sama (who is considered the founder and eternal matriarch of the IBMs).

I have a full set of AIX books, from when we needed it to run the card catalog at the library (on IBM R/Ts).  And I also have a converted Telnet binder with INTERNET scrawled on the spine; it's been joked among friends that it contains THE ENTIRE INTERNET.

@stew: perhaps you can make up a description, then. :3
@aurora: that's what i was thinking, having her be similar in mechanics to the clockwork dolls of dr. who (not similar in voice or appearance, though. :\)
@paul: if you want something done right, do it yourself! ^^
@bells: np. i love obscure stuff, so this was fun. :3 i'd like to see you do some art of her, if you don't mind. ^^

...now with pictures.


On second thought, I dunno if TECO-kun is as much of a jerk as it might seem at first glance - he's hard to get along with, but I'm thinking of him as more along the lines of an incomprehensible genius than a complete ass. After all, he's an important figure in Hacker history - he must have some redeeming qualities.

The nature of the DEC-tans as a military society is kind of confusing (considering that they were one of the more free-formed and academic societies) but it's safe to say that defectors weren't really punished or ostracized...

Also, when it comes to AIX-tan: I invite Paul to propose some ideas for her character, since he's the one here with the most AIX experience. :)

makes sense. this is  a COMMUNITY, after all. ^^ (like how we all contributed a little bit to SAGE. ^^)

PDP-10 looks like a hippie-esque version of Sanji........
do want......

Hmm, ok I'll try :D

AIX-tan:

- born in 1986
- has an analytical no-nonsense mind (AIX is optimized for IBM'S DB2 database)
- is a little paranoid (AIX has very strict security options like EAL or CAPP)
- is good friends with OS400/IBM i-tan and Linux (OS400 can run natively on POWER hardware, and IBM propagates Linux for POWER)
- powerful as hell (AIX runs on some really large computers)
- can multiply herself (AIX's ability to create WPARS and LPARS)
- has close ties to the US government (all over AIX are special instructions for government use)
- has abandoned her 32-bit roots lately (AIX runs only on 64-bit CPUS since version 6.1)

oo! she sounds both powerful and dangerous, while at the same time she seems like she'd be quite civilized. :3

any thoughts on a physical description, paul? :3

Sounds good Paul! I knew you'd be able to come up with some ideas. :)

Between the IBMishness, paranoia, working-with-the-governmentness and power, she sounds a bit like a mishmash of Multics, WWMCCS and SAGE-tan .w.

Unless Paul objects to it - or has some ideas to add on, since I'm always up for modifying the appearances of existing characters who have yet to be well-developed/have a lot of arts drawn - there's an existing physical concept for AIX-tan:



Bottom row, second from the left.

ah, yes, that picture seems to fit her personality perfectly. -w-
though i must say, my favourite out of all the ones up there is UNIXWARE-tan. ^^

Absolutely no objections from my side, great design! ^_^
Maybe her hair should be black, considering the fact that virtually all IBM machines are black.

that's a good point, but i think we've seen a couple that weren't raven-haired. it could also depend on her personality. (but that says black hair too, lol xD)

Unixware, eh? I'm partial to IRIX in that image.

It's interesting that you'd pick black hair for AIX, since most of the IBM-tans are black (or silver) haired and I've speculated that's something of an ethnic trait among their kind. ^^

could be, since families ofter share this sort of thing (dark brown hair runs in my family, for example, and blue eyes were a common trait in my mum's family :3).

i wonder where HT-tan would fall into all of this, since if we're talking genetics then she would have passed along brown hair. :\

OS-tans within a family don't always share hair colors, though some run within families to an extent- look at the Windows-tans and their various hair colors (though many are green or blue-haired), the Apple-tans (Apple I has brown hair, Apple II blonde, III red-brown, the early Macs have dark color or black hair, later Classics have blonde and then there's their step-sisters the OSXs and their various colors...). And then there's the BSD-tans, who all look completely different but are sisters. Just saying there are some exceptions to the rule.

like in any family. :3

Not to mention the fact that AIX is a Unix, NOT a classic "Big Iron" OS-tan - the ethnic IBMs (think DOS/, BOS/, TOS/ and OS/360, IBSYS, BESYS, UMES and GMOS, plus the other IBM mainframe hardware-tans/-kuns). But dark hair runs in the Unix family too - black, purple and blue being the most common.

Now, the MIT-tans, there's a race with a lot of hair colour variation ... black (mostly via Whirlwind and LINC), red (CTSS) and dark purple (Multics), blonde (PDP-1 and -10, common among DEC-tans) and brown (common among the "MIT-descended IBM-tans" - which really only consists of SAGE and SABRE and CP/CMS).

TL;DR, do as you wish - hair and skin colour aren't really a concern in the OS-taneverse since it's assumed all OS-tans are made with human engineering and can therefor be modified any physical way they wish. Heck, even species variation is fare game - look at all the -tans with avian, feline and canine features.

exactly. ^^

If I can really do as I wish ...I pick green as the hair colour :D (The AIX 7 logo is green, white and blue)
Not that many green-haired -tans out there whereas we have quite a lot of dark haired ones.

Quote from: Paul on March 10, 2011, 07:16:22 AM
If I can really do as I wish ...I pick green as the hair colour :D (The AIX 7 logo is green, white and blue)
Not that many green-haired -tans out there whereas we have quite a lot of dark haired ones.

Now we're talking. It's always a good idea to pick something different... bold... and if it happens to tie in with a logo, all the better. :^D

how about dark green? then it fits the mysterious side, too. 8)

Hmm, the AIX logo is quite a light green...
Though I don't mind if it's dark... :)

btw, maybe AIX-tan could have an AIX hairclip or something like that? It would also be cool if there was a "POWER" lettering somewhere on her body (AIX runs exclusively on POWER CPUs)

....how about two-toned dark green with light green highlights? .w.

Tattoos are fun, not too many -tans have them though. (Multics has a labyrinth mark on the V of her chest and VOS-tan has wing tattoos... those are the only inked OS-tans I know of.)

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....how about two-toned dark green with light green highlights? .w.

AGREED :D

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Tattoos are fun, not too many -tans have them though. (Multics has a labyrinth mark on the V of her chest and VOS-tan has wing tattoos... those are the only inked OS-tans I know of.)

Hmm, I wasn't even thinking of a tattoo, but rather a lettering on her suit. But I find that idea highly appealing.

i think it'd be funny if the "POWER" logo turned out to be her power button....but i doubt she'd let such a security breach slide. xD

@bella: good idea with the hair! ^^

Nope, IBM power buttons look like that :P

well, you don't have to make everything accurate down to the letter. that's the importance of artistic licence. :3

but i still don't think AIX would let something as obvious as that go. doesn't seem like her style. 8)

Hmm, you're right ;) Considered how paranoid AIX-tan is she probably won't let anyone even near her unless that person has verified herself.

that would probably mean she doesn't get along with many other -tans/-kuns, given her paranoid nature. (she'd probably think they were there to steal her secrets or something xDD)

Paranoid needn't =/= difficult or crazy though, and frankly, the assumption that it does can lead to character who's a mere caricature instead of a fully fleshed-out and believable personality.

Take for example, four of the more notable assumed-paranoiacs in the OS-taneverse: OpenVMS, SAGE, Mertvaya Ruka* and SCO Unix.

*Not really paranoid, but included here for comparison

OpenVMS-tan is paranoid and sociopathic (more in the empathy-lacking sense of the term than violent one) and she's generally ambivalent to the public but has a small circle of people she cares deeply about. The entirety of her violence is aimed at criminals like virii and crackers (the OpenVMS community, like most of the old time Hacker communities, is very anti-cybercrime). Likewise, her paranoia is specifically security-oriented - she's not afraid of any groups, but knows she has to keep herself safe because it's a dangerous world. Thus her tendency to carry lots and lots of sharp pointy weapons on her body at all times...

So in this case, paranoia = excellent self defense skills/constant preparedness

I can't speak with certainty 'cause she's not my character, but SAGE-tan's paranoia seems to be mostly rooted in her psychosis - so she doesn't have a good reason to be that way, it's just a symptom of whatever mental and/or emotional illnesses she's suffering from. Actually, in her case it's entirely illogical. Even though she had a job that required a high level vigilance (bomber interception), she hasn't been a target for attack since her retirement nearly 30 years ago. Possibly much earlier, if believe that ICBMs made bombers obsolete and that her job was pointless. So if she was sane she'd realize that she has nothing to worry about and would be living in peace... but her psychological disorder(s) make her believe that everything and everyone - including Unix-sama, microcomputer-tans, and birds, are out to get her.

In her case, paranoia = a symptom of psychosis. She doesn't have good reason to be; she just is.

Mertvaya Ruka isn't a paranoiac - it certainly seems that she would be, what with a lifetime of hibernating in a bunker in the currently-former-Soviet Union -  but instead she comes off as rather curious, attentive and level-headed. If she displays any paranoia, it manifests itself as reclusiveness... but even that's debatable.

Ruka is a good example of a character that could arguably be characterized as paranoid, but isn't.

SCO Unix-tan is clearly paranoid - she believes that Linux-tan is out to usurp the Unix throne; that Unix-sama is covering up Linux-tan's relationship to the Unix family; and that any number of her sisters are out to destroy her. If that last one wasn't true before it is now - most of the Unices are sick and tried of SCO's antics and want her gone, one way or another. It's theorized that the breaking point in SCO-tan's life was during the Unix Wars, when her (largely absentee) mother, Xenix-sama, died as a commoner in battle. As a child SCO was suspicious, mistrustful and had a bloated sense of self-importance, but that sort of tipped her over the edge... I guess you could theorize she's acting out for attention, like some sort of infantile cry for the love she never entirely got from her mother or anyone else? Of course she truly believes that what she's seeing is real and needs to be stopped, so there's a certainly level of delusion going on too....

Thus SCO Unix-tan is a character who's paranoia = a delusional manifestation of emotional trauma; a possible ploy for more attention

Sorry for the TL; DR, but I just want to show that there can be a lot of different spins on paranoia besides "Doesn't trust people". 

Well played, Bells. Hats off~

i wasn't trying to generalize, jeez....AIX just seems like she wouldn't get along with many people in general, given her protective nature and somewhat attitude. :\

that explanation was nice, although i can't help but take it personally...?

Well, I guess AIX-tan likes to protect herself and may be a little wary, but I think she's not evil or sociopathic (in fact, AIX provides some of the best OS administration tools like SMIT or WSM as well as sourcecode compatibility for Linux applications). Though I believe she still might be quite tense around people she doesn't know.

well, with that in mind, i think she might take a stern leadership position in places that doesn't have it (though it sometimes might be to the chagrin of others xDD).

Yay, AIX-tan for president! :D

xD not quite sure that's what i meant, but ok.

That was not a critique of yours' or Paul's ideas, Kari, I was merely saying that security can take many forms besides the usual ones, mistrust, physical distance, etc. Considering how many security-oriented OSes exist, that potentially makes for a lot of paranoid OS-tans.

I didn't mention a the other -tans that could be portrayed as being paranoid because of their respective OSes' security features - but aren't for the sake of variety - including Stratus VOS, BSD, Xenix and Multics among others. (Multics-sama takes the secure-OS-tans-being-mistrustful-trope and turns in on its head; she's actually a very social and amiable individual whose security-mindedness is manifested as an ability to psychically construct labyrinths around herself - a reference to Multics' rings and of course its logo.)

@Bella: Great job explaining all of that!

When you describe Multics as being very social and amiable, is that her present-day self you're mainly describing, because she used to be very moody and melancholy, didn't she?

Sad that SAGE thinks the Vintage-tans are out to get her, when many of them like her. :(

@Paul, Choco: I agree with your interpretations of AIX, I see her as cautious but helpful towards others if she can trust them.

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New character concept:

The ZX81 just turned 30! http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-12703674 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-12703674) I thought it'd be a good time to make a ZX81-tan (aka: Timex Sinclair 1000-tan).

-Small, thin and very frail.
-Wears a long black+white dress and has short black hair, red eyes and a ZX-81 brooch.
-Miserly. Does not like to use much of anything.
-Tsundere-ish, can be very harsh, at times mistaken for sadistic. (one screw up, and your program is ****ed)
-A teacher-type to many, despite her harshness towards others, has had a loyal following of students willing to stick to her rules.
-Taught her students, and her younger sisters to be highly resourceful.

@bella: ok, just wanted to make sure there wasn't any animocity. ^^;
@aurora: i like her! she's like a precursor to other bare-bones OSes, like puppy! ^^

I nearly bought a Timex Sinclair 1000.... but its video adapter broke before the pickup. The seller said he'd fix it and I haven't heard from him since.... .__.;;

Quote from: Aurora Borealis on March 11, 2011, 06:46:11 PM
When you describe Multics as being very social and amiable, is that her present-day self you're mainly describing, because she used to be very moody and melancholy, didn't she?

Sad that SAGE thinks the Vintage-tans are out to get her, when many of them like her. :(

No, I'm describing her past self too... remember, Multics-sama had a rather agony-or-ecstasy existence, with about as much happiness as sorrow (even if those instances of sorrow were a lot more memorable than the good times). She'd have been masterful at keeping any negative emotions she felt well under wraps; meaning that even when she was melancholy, she wouldn't have come across as it. -w-

Stewart-san informed me that SAGE is not as paranoid as I initially assessed her to be, so, nix that? >____>

 @Bella: No offense taken :) Since I'm not yet through the bios of all the -tans out there, feel free to point out any discrepancies I might make. And your input is highly appreciated :D

Oh, and ZX81-tan seems to be quite cool......Tsundere ftw!  ^_^

we don't seem to have very many tsundere-tans, so this is kind of refereshing. :3

Thank you Paul. .w.

Right now the only tsunderes out there are Unix (though she's more akin to kuudere), Linux, Multics, SAGE and Slackware (whose romantic obsessiveness might put her on the border with Yandere Territory)... OpenVMS is really more of a dandere. There are a bunch of others I'm missing, I'm sure....

Hmm... Never thought of either Linux or Slackware as tsunderes, though Slackware does have Yandere tendencies.

VMS, a dandere? I wouldn't have guessed, I had thought of her as being a kuudere! On the other hand, I never thought of Unix as being the kuudere type- too hot-headed!

Another Yandere is Barbie Linux-tan, but she didn't always use to be that way. :(

Other possible tsunderes are VIC-20-tan, Mac/OSX-tan (both Type A), and Mac OS 9 (Type B)


@Bella: I thought Multics was mostly melancholy in her early life because although she lived the life of luxury, she didn't have freedom, and constantly felt trapped in a fancy cage at her creator's mercy. And then there was her having to attempt to kill her daughter, only to get maimed by her... But I see how she'd need to put on a happy face in front of others.

@aurora: such is the life of aristocracy.
@bells: ok, i'm only familiar with yan- and tsun-, all these other -deres are confusing me. @___@;;

VIC-20 and Mac-tan! I knew I was missing somebody....

Okay, to clarify:
-A tsundere is difficult on the outside/sweet on the inside
-A yandere is sweet on the outside/crazy on the inside and motivated by romantic love
-A kuudere is cool or emotionless on the outside/sweet on the inside (ie, only warms up with time or to friends)
-A dandere is asocial on the outside/sweet on the inside (like a kuudere, typically toward acquaintances)
-Then there's yangire, which is sweet on the outside/crazy on the inside like a yandere, but not motivated by romantic love.

Also bear in mind that these needn't always follow the X on the inside, Y on the outside form - a tsundere, for example, can have a mix of difficult and sweet traits or experience mood swings between these two "personalities".

Full disclosure: Stew has said I'm somewhere in the kuu-/dandere spectrum with a touch of yangire. >x3

I always pictured Linux as a not-very-tsun-but-very-oblivious/shy-about-it-dere...meh. -w-;

And for your information (and my amusement) here's an X-dere list on my creations... the (mode) is a gauge on how hard it is to get the romantic mode itself to surface and/or capture.

COLOSSUS (pre-resurrection) - Tsun/kuudere (hard mode)
COLOSSUS (post-resurrection) - Kuudere (LUNATIC mode) -note that as her initial attitude to people depend on her mission status regarding them, this can be pretty variable.
WITCH (pre-resurrection) - light Tsundere (normal mode)
WITCH (post-resurrection) - Heavy Dominator/light yandere (easy mode)
GIT - Heavy-as-lead tsundere (normal mode)
Mertvaya Ruka - As oblivious as the male lead of a harem animu, or worse; AKA, not-a-single-fucking-clue-dere (PHANTASM mode)
? ? ? ? ? - Dandere (easy mode)

Yes, Broya, that is who you think it is.

bella, this is not the place to debate it, but you're not yangire. you're just shy/oblivious/asexual/POSSIBLY kuu\dandere.

oh, and yandere can bee cool on the outside in addition to the difficult part. :\

Quote from: NejinOniwa on March 12, 2011, 01:23:54 PM? ? ? ? ? - Dandere (easy mode)

Yes, Broya, that is who you think it is.

...OpenVMS? ~w~

Quote from: Chocofreak13 on March 12, 2011, 01:56:18 PM
bella, this is not the place to debate it, but you're not yangire. you're just shy/oblivious/asexual/POSSIBLY kuu\dandere.
oh, and yandere can bee cool on the outside in addition to the difficult part. :\

Don't question my yangireness or put me in a box .____.;;;;

...You mean tsundere?

At any rate, what you've described is called a kuudere.

yes, i did mean tsundere. and i'd say kuudere and dandere are offshoots of tsundere, anyway. >_<

so.
AIX-tan.
arts?

me and canary made a -tan! ^^
Lubuntu-tan (Lulu-chan):

Friendly, modern, vibrant.
Ubuntu-wannabe
borrows alot, but still considered independent
(in this respect, contradictory like rainbow-tan)
Resourceful and optimistic (able to run on bare-bones)
User-friendly, knowledgable (comes equipped with alot)
Gets upset when people comment on how she looks like a 1940's cartoon character

Physically 14-15
5' 4"
Semi-flat chested (small file size and RAM requirement)
Black hair done up in ringlets (similar style to classic character, Little Lulu)
Navy Sailor-style dress with Logo on bow in front
Amber eyes

http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i98/Chocofreak13/lubuntululu-tan.jpg

She's adorable! :)

there aren't enough linux-tans, anyway. ^^

I just made a -tan by myself.
It's not that great. In fact, it sucks. :U

Kiki-Chan/Kubuntu-tan

Age: 15

reliable, easy to trick
attractive, consistent
likes to learn new things
neat-freak
fun
animal lover

Short-ish hair, pony tail
Zip up jacket
Frilly skirt
High heels

http://i1006.photobucket.com/albums/af185/Lucasjay00/Kubuntu-tan.png

still can't see the pic, but it sounds cute. ^^

Hmm, I'd like to do the art for AIX-tan but I absolutely can't draw. Most probably she wouldn't even look human T_T

you could use a dollmaker or lineart creator. :3

@Paul - if you send me/post some physical specifications for AIX-tan I'll draw her for you. .w.

Oh wow, that would be great :)

Hmm, let's go for that two-toned dark green hair that you suggested, you can pick any hairstyle you like  ^^
Also she should be quite tall, maybe dressed in something black.
Some IBM-related accessories would also be nice, maybe IBM earrings? And that POWER tattoo :D

*takes notes*

Thanks, I shall work on that~ ^^

*waits patiently* ^^

Tried to make concept sketches yesterday, but had art block when it came to sketching, so here's some vector work.  :o

Concept chibi for DEC Rainbow 100-tan: I tried not to go overboard with the colors.  :P

Rainbow-chan is the most KAWAII☆DESU DEC-tan ever.

but you're supposed to go overboard. :3

kawaii desu ne~~

Thanks! :D

no problem. it's nothing new that your pics are cute. -w-

EDIT: and nice new avatar btw~

(also, we miss you in topicless and other parts of the forums ;^; )

I usually don't have much to talk about, but I'll try again.

yay ^^

RAINBOW

Oh god I think I just started crying rainbows.... your art is so adorable Aurora-dono.

Also: When I tried to post that pic through TinyPic they took it down.  Thus, it is awesome.  My Immortal....

Rainbow just made me happy <3

i made a little drawing-thingy
No -tan in particular. Maybe could you help? xD
( i use this pic as my wallpaper x3 )

i'm not sure she counts as an OS if she represents a whole company. :\

EDIT: have we considered doing this for a -tan?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Macintalk

a sketched some -tans in math class.
Tell me if you like :3

your handwriting is better than mine at that age. your artwork is getting better too. :3

i'd give more on their personality, though, maybe base some of it on what the OS has to offer (like ram requirements, etc). :\

This is the thread where we come to dump random ideas for new -tans, ne?

@Stewart: YOU. ME. WE MAKE AN MTC-TAN. (She's Whirlwind-hime's sexy nurse healthcare provider woman.)

@Genpop: LOL GUIZE I HAD THE GREATEST IDEA. I was thinking about genderswap yuri shipping (ie, where a male character is 'swapped and paired up with a canon-female) in the Haruhi fandom and then it hit me, WHY DO WE NOT HAVE THIS IN THE OS-TANVERSE?!

I'm making a girl!Emacs, girl!RED and girl!Vi. I also would like to make genderswap'd charas for some of the other OS- and  computer-kuns, especially if it has JUICY STORYLINE IMPLICATIONS. (Selectic/Selene and CANDE/Candy and IBM 728/Ivana and FASTRAND/Miranda anyone? Anyone?)

have fun with your characters that i know nothing about. :3

also, i found MSpaint-tan:
http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=005132

Ms. Paint. :3 though not as -tannish as most -tans, i think she's a cute fit for a program that most of us forget about. ^^

I appreciate Ms. Paint as well; she allows me to do what little (pixel) art I am capable of.  Hooray!

Quote from: stewartsage on July 11, 2011, 10:46:57 PM
I appreciate Ms. Paint as well; she allows me to do what little (pixel) art I am capable of.  Hooray!

Have you nothing to say about genderswap'd OS-tan/kun shipping or MTC? D:

All I can think of is

You mean /u/?

I did not notice it.  And it definitely has never already happened.

Quote from: stewartsage on July 12, 2011, 03:22:35 AM
You mean /u/?

No, he means /Y/... Y for Yaoi. As in genderswap'd Ruka x Linux-kun.

I thought about doing some genderswap'd OS-tans too... but i don't know where I'd start. I guess Multics and VMS are the obvious choices, since they're both fairly macho to begin with. -w-;

Quote from: stewartsage on July 12, 2011, 03:22:35 AMI did not notice it.  And it definitely has never already happened.

Ruka x Linux or OS-tan genderswapping? In either instance, PLEASE TELL US MORE~

Well, RukaXLinux is sorta...you know...in the works/inching towards becoming series semi-canon or something. Idunnolol.

Linux/UNIX is the one true deity in my mind.

And I meant MTC.  And the idea of genderswapped Ruka and Linux.  I now understand all.