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QuoteI see most of the older OS-tans as being fighters...Not like our lazy modern OS-tans XD
QuoteHoohooo...! I never thought of it that way...makes me wonder about the relationship between Slackware-tan and Unix-sama (because, at least I think, Slackware-tan really wants to be like Unix-sama and follow her teachings but she also adores Linux-sama...t would make for some funny self-conflict)
QuoteIâ€™ll take idealistic, socialist hippy, thank you... But, yeah, I do see the DEC-tans as kinda annoyed by the Linuxes...
QuoteI guess it would be a bit interesting to think that hardly any of the DEC-tans know of the VMS/WNT(< had to do that) connection, but I think some (like you said, RSX-san [Who I also see as wise enough to make the connection], as well as a couple of the more modern, â€œin-touchâ€ ones) know...even if not on a conscious level, or, theyâ€™re just in denial, calling it as a strange coincidence, and theyâ€™d never point out the similarities between their â€œsisterâ€ and NT-tan. I think part of the sad irony would be the incredible physical and mental similarities between the two, perhaps only offset by their incredible differences
QuoteWhile weâ€™re on the subject of soap opera storylines, Iâ€™d like to think that VMS-san would have been the motherly type, (much like NT-tan), if she had been given the chance. Sadly, though, the only â€œdaughterâ€ she ever had was never raised or taught by her, and theyâ€™ve never even really met outside of battle circumstances...
QuoteBut I can see where VMS-san (or I should say NT-san, via VMS-san) was could be the greatest help to the M$ family...had they stuck it out with MSDOS based OSs or gone with OS/2 (which I've heard wasn't as stable as IBM/M$ said it was), perhaps they wouldn't have gotten such a foothold in the server market...
QuoteJust another preconcept sketch of DOS batch 11 (or just DOS-11)-tan...I see her in the mid-to-older teenage age range...maybe, if not from the simple fact the "DOS" in her name remindes me of disk operating system-tans : / That and the fact that DEC only released DOS 11 for 4 years, and much of the users stoped using DOS-11 in 1973 when RT-11 came out (That's also why I think she'd be especially prickly with a perspective RT11-tan....)
Quoteand here's the preconcept sketch for an RT11-tan, or at least a young one...somehow I see her as being a cheery (or at least cheerier than most DEC-tans) type...in spare time, she likes playing old-fashioned games, and she stuck it out with her company, loyally, to the very end.
QuoteAnd speaking of RSX-san, I keep thinking she'd be a bit like Izumi from Fullmetal Alchemist....a tough-love kind of teacher. She's still strong, but in recent years she just can't quite exert herself like she used to...
QuoteI would think the Queen Mother would view Slackware in much the same way one would look at a a small girl who likes to pretend she's a grown-up (even though Slackware is one of the oldest Linux-tans of all.... ^^;Yep, plenty of room for humor there. ^___^
QuoteSo of course, the first personal computer OS-tans, like ][-tan and PETchan, would've been like the Beatles to that old order,... scandolously rebellious and infecting their beloved profession with the ranks of so many untrained, foolhardy youths,... but only a scant precursor to the barbarian HORDES that would come in the next two decades. ^_______^'
QuoteYou got the idea, but it's not like I ever doubted you could. ^___^Incidentally, aside from RSX-sama, UNIX-sama would also know as well. Not that the Queen Mother is low enough to divulge that information to anyone else (certainly not to her old rivals), but on occasion she loves to,.... "imply" that in private [peace-time] conversations with VMS-sama.... you know, just for some fun psychological torture.[I say "peace-time", cause when open hostilaties flare up, UNIX-sama has no time for jokes.]
QuoteAgreed. ^^In a way, if you do follow the CIOST arc that I set up, VMS-sama's decision to band together so many displaced OS-tans could be interpreted as a way to create a "surrogate family" of sorts (especially since the vast majority of them are younger than she is). But of course, that's no substitute and neither are her beloved sharks. Poor Mama VMS leaves a very troubled life. ^^;
QuoteCourse, what does she use as a weapon? (cause even the happy, go-lucky Ancients knew how to pack a punch) ^___^
QuoteOh btw, wanted to share this with everyone, but I know Bella-san would get a real kick out of this one.... ^___^*Nix Comics
QuoteAnd somehow I can see where Slackware-tan would kinda berate some of her more "friendly" sisters for being "sell outs" XDMaybe like Ubuntu-sama and certainly the Windows dopplegangers
QuoteWoohoo! The BeatlesSo, I guess the Windows-tans would be like punk rockers or something XD
QuotePsychological torture for VMS-sama using NT-tan? Did I say Unix-sama was great? Now she's INCREDIBLY AWESOMEAnd lest we not forgeteth The Book Of Unix-sama-ism, "The Goddess hath knowith everything, about every single OS that runnith and creepith on the world. For she is Root."
QuoteAwwww....I've never thought of it that way...(I just got an odd image of VMS-sama in a wetsuit, going out to dive with her sharks XD)
QuoteMust be something bladed, for sure
QuoteZOMG those are frickin great
QuoteNow, go to the bathroom or get a snack before you start reading. Cause I'm about to talk your ear off with some....
QuoteRandom (this time NT, VMS and OS/2-tan) Conjuncture time!
Quoteso it's probably logical to say that the pictures where she's an adult are "current depictions" while the girl is young NT-tan. Perhaps they could be seen as different NT versions (youngest NT-tan being 3.1, whereas the older "current" NT-tan would be NT 4.0, the last release marketed as NT before they moved onto 2000, XP, etc.)...I know Deja Vu got into a huge debacle for attemping to make a separate NT-tan for one of the releases, but I figure since these would all be the same character just at different ages, I'm pretty safe
QuoteI think a picture like the first, or these I drew,
QuoteQuiet, thoughtful, caring (like most depictions of her are), yet not entirely sure of her background. Not that she cares much about that; to her she's just another Windows sister, even if she's "different" from them in a lot of ways (IE, she's more stable than her relatives). In lieu of a mother, I think she would look up to 3.1-sama; although, her admiration may be more about 3.1-sama's beauty and less about her character (since NT 3.5's GUI looked like Windows 3.1).
QuoteShe also shows great aptitude in swordsmanship (besides being pictured with bladed weapons on occasion, this a backward-reference to VMS-sama, whom also has talent with sword fighting); although an asset, it will mostly be her likable nature (and the Unixes self-destructing) that will help her conquer the server market.
QuoteI think that this would be NT-tan between versions 3.5 and 3.51 or 4.0, a teenager, and between the years of 1994 and 95/96. She's helping her family and company take the server market; although, not as stable as many of the Unixes she's overtaken, people seem to like her a lot and find her easy to get along with...(Kinda made the last part up...although I know that M$ says using NT (or based OSs) instead of Linux/Unix will keep costs down because of "easier operation and less training for workers", and that one of the things that harmed Unix was that there were too many competing forms of it...although I don't know if either are true...)
QuoteI think at this time she would befriend 95-tan, who's kinda like her desktop/PC counterpart at this point
QuoteI think this would be NT-tan between version 4.0, SP4, (released in 1998) and currently. The OS turbulence of the early and mid-90s behind her, she's had several children (and NT based Windows OS), and has calmed down considerably not having to fight anymore.
Quote--First off, I think a "cloned" OS-tan is more-or-less a "daughter", but I believe that the term daughter denotes a close emotional relationship with the mother, whereas a clone has only a genetic relationship.I mean to say, (the way I see it) 2k-tan was raised and trained by both her company and her mother, NT-tan. I think a clone wouldn't know of her heritage, be raised by, or ever have contact, with the OS-tan she was cloned from.
QuoteI guess to put it into RL context, I think a clone OS would be where a company steals, barrows, or takes inspiration, or however you want to phrase it, from another company's OS without their consent, knowledge or any imput from the company. Or when two OSs bear an unusually deep resemblance to eachother it their internal design.
QuoteNot that I'm saying M$ stole from DEC; That's just the way I could phrase it most coherently 0__-
Quote--NT was *supposed* to be an extension to OS/2, but eventually became it's own OS. (as for OS-tans, this only makes the relation between NT-san and OS/2-san more confusing)
QuoteIf NT-san was the "clone" of VMS, I don't think it's unresonable (I think we're a little to far to talk about what's unresonable) to think that somehow she also has some, weird, only-M$-could-purpotrait-this-kinda-unholy-technical-crime-against-nature genitic tie to OS/2, albeit less of a genetic connection than that of NT-san and VMS-sama. I mean, maybe her bloodline goes back to the two of them-*shiver goes through very soul* ...did I just sugest NT-tan's OS/2 and VMS-sama's daughter...? O___o
Quote--VMS was ported to DEC Alpha in 1992, and renamed OpenVMS. One of the platforms NT was originally designed to run on was also Alpha. This could have made for a conflict between NT-tan and VMS-sama (or shall I just apply to be a soap opera writer)? Other possible conflict could also be between her and UnixWare-tan (cause I've heard UnixWare took a beating agaist NT)
Quote--They say, on the surface, NT and VMS aren't incredibly similar; it's fairly deep in the OS's where their similarities lie. I don't think VMS-sama and NT-san would be physically identical, but may have many of the same attitude traits, just under different circumstances. EG, I think VMS-sama's personality would have been much like NT-tan, in her youth...I think it was since the birth of NT that she started to go radical...
QuoteAnd on a last note, can anyone tell me what this means?
QuoteAlso, would OS/2-tan be Windows 1.0-tan's daughter...?
QuoteI too second Aurora-dono's recommendation,... not just about being cautious of the pervy OSX-kuns, but also to watch out for demented pigs who love to play with cat ears.... *v*
QuoteOnly the Mainframe-tans could stand a chance of challenging UNIX-sama's Goddesshood. On the other hand, UNIX-sama was a former Mainframe-tan herself for a while. `v'
QuoteCourse,... if in the distant future, mother and daughter (and granddaughters) do finally get together happily, there'll be a lot of explaining to do as to why Jaws and Jaws Jr. are living in grandma's tank. ^^;
QuoteThe reality is that the varying appearances are all the result of different artistic license (case in point right there, the really YOUNG looking InuT), but hypothetically-speaking, it's far more fair to explain varying ages, hair, clothing, etc, as the character evolving throughout the ages (and wearing different clothes, etc).
QuoteCould be an interesting foreshadowing of NT-san, who also likes kind and gentle, but could theoretically whoop 95-tan up a new one. ^^;
QuoteYou should also take into consideration that, especially in that era, UNIX boxes were (and still are, to a certain extent) EXPENSIVE!!! @o@If a box running NT was, say $2,000 or $3,000 USD, a comparable UNIX box might've been $50,000USD. True, the latter was more reliable, can perform 100x more functions, and probably still works fine even to this day,... but when was the last time you saw a business that thought in the long-term? ^__^
QuoteThe reason why this is less and less a selling point today is because Linux servers CAN be a helluva lot cheaper than Windows boxes, AND CAN be easier to use and set up than most people give credit too. A memorable example is the inspiring story of the great guitar string maker Sterling Ball:http://www.news.com/2008-1082_3-5065859.html
QuoteUnfortunately, I'm tempted to add the additional friction that she kinda displaces 3.1-sama at this point. While Father may say he loves "all" of them, in reality he may be more present-minded than people are willing to admit and may simply adore whomever can secure his great empire. As 3.1-sama's natural successor, all resources are placed into keeping 95-tan and NT-tan paired as partners in training and in sorties, and relegating 3.1-sama (and MSDOS-chan) further and further into the sidelines having outlived their usefulness.If according to my story, this would be a classic case of "what comes around goes around", but still you may think of a kinder and gentler theory for why 3.1-sama is as emotionless as she is now. '__'
QuoteAgreed. ^__^The M$ family structure also lightens up considerably in this age of Pax Microsoftica, so even though systems like ME-chan and the 98 sisters get unsupported, no one ever thinks of leaving them behind. Those barbaric days are over (or are they?),
QuoteTrue, but then you're as much a big soap opera writer as I am. ^__^And you and I know that, while a clone does fail to do all that you mentioned, I imagine that (short of effective brainwashing) they're just as curious about 'biological parents" as real-life children who've never met their own either. Consider it a kind of tacit awe and respect for the woman who gifted you your first cells. So although they may not have lived with eachother or come in contact, certainly the potential exists for the "clone" to WANT a mother eventually (and perhaps vice-versa).
QuoteI guess I do see what you mean, in that "clone" really should be reserved as a more "deragotory" term. The RL example I mentioned, for example, pertains more precisely to children born from invitro or from a surrogate mother, in order to live with non-biological parents, whereas clones are actual genetic copies of the mother in question. Unfortunately, not sure how we can call these children who are neither "daughters" nor "clones",... surely there's probably a medical term from them, even though that would be diving dangerously deep into simple symantics). ^^'
QuoteRepeat after me..... -v-V-A-N-D-R-E-A-D ^____^Go watch that series,... revel as i did in the fact that the lead [full-grown] male character is shorter than ALL the female characters in the series... and place close attention to the part about Ohmas and Fahmas. ^^
QuoteOn the other hand, you could take the more conservative route and imply that NT-san just inherited the training modules which were assigned to the young OS/2-tan (because the actual OS/2 code in Windows NT is fairly superfluous anyway, and vice versa). So all the weapons, courses, schooling and education that were originally created to bring OS/2-tan to greatness were taken from her and given to NT-tan instead.I call it a cop out, but oh well,... we really can't be creating mothers and daughters and suspiciously father-like women EVERYWHERE now, can we,...? ^^;
QuoteI did mention before that VMS-san and NT-san would've been forced to fight. VMS-san doesn't lose, but she does get hurt psychologically as she knows the truth but is barred (by honor or a company mandate or both) to saying anything.
QuoteYep, see above. ^__^I do object to them look physically dissimilar. I think you did a great job of making VMS-sama NT-like, but not quite so (just like any mother/daughter), and I'd rather you not change it. ^.^
QuoteNote that the "inspiration" line also connects to LisaOS. basically it jsut means that Bill and the gang were inspired by the old Xerox Alto to create their GUI,... and unsurprising fact given that's probably what college kids (and dropouts) would've used back in the 70's....http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xerox_AltoJudging by the monitor, I can see why they called it "Alto". I reckon such an OS-tan would be kinda tall (at least for the early 70's).
QuoteOS/2 is a new OS from the ground-up that probably has more in common with the DOS-tans than with 1.0-sama. On the other hand, you can probably get a lot of soap opera drama from OS/2-san's relationship with eComstation-chan. ^__~
QuoteHah. I'm am Cheetah-san...I can deal with all sorts of perves XDAnd if they get fresh, I can always call my good friend..Homeko-sama! I don't think you want me to do that, either...!
QuoteAhhhh....the Mainframes may be greatith, but Unix-sama is a Goddess Incarnate.
QuoteEspecially poor Saba-chan O___O
QuoteThat's how I've always looked at it, if not just for my own sanity with all the different designs O_oThere are three known depictions of Leopard-tan for example, (and I remember you bringing this up), I'd like to think all three of them...The blue-haired Magical Girl, Aurora's (and my fave) teal-haired timetraveler, and the Nijura pink-haired charatcer...are all the same character, perhaps at different times...
QuoteThat I didn't know O___O
QuoteThat's a neat story! It's good to hear stuff that OSS is becoming more mainstream
QuoteI think that, especially being with M$, NT-san would be kept happy and in a state where she doesn't ask questions, and they don't breach the subject of"bloodlines" I think, as I said before, VMS-sama would really want to be able to know her daughter...but this is pretty unrealistic for her : /
QuoteOnly if you got watch Fullmetal Alchemist *Oh, Wikipe-tan!**reads outline*"Men and women are separated"....*Puts 2 + 2 together*O___O Methinks I know where this is goingOkay, that makes a little sense...kinda...?
Quote*scary whispery voice*But this is M$ we're talking about...they dabble in the kind of Technical Dark Arts which us mere mortals can only imagine in our darkest nightmares...Heed me well, they hatch the sort of diabolical schemes that makes Dr. Frankenstein's monster look like a kid's school project!*ticks**twitches**VMS-sama stares at me*What can I say? She takes after her mother!*knife whizzes by head*
QuoteYeah, I'm keeping VMS-sama as she is. Just, I don't want them to be indentical
QuoteAwwwwww.... why couldn't you call Pu-chan instead?[lecherously] Pu-chan can punish me anyday! ^___^
QuoteNow now, let's not get carried away here. Mainframe-tans are pretty darn godly too, and very HUGE. @__@You did read my description of the Mainframe Guild, no? ^^;
QuoteHAHA!!! That's right, didn't think of that! ^v^Plus in Gus-san's thread, we now have an anthromorphic whale after her too. ^.^
QuoteIf you were cookin' with "FIYA" before, now you be cookin' with Napalm! ^__^You hit it right on the spot I've been trying to hammer for months! ^v^*awards Bella-san*
QuoteIt's a bit more graphic than that, but yeah sorta. ^__^Anyway, I'd hate to have you watch Vandread (since in retrospect it wasn't really that good a series,... unless you're a Star Trek Voyager fan), but I reckon I will have to watch Fullmetal Alchemist eventually. Just to find out what the heck you're all talkin' about. ^^'
QuoteWell,... in fairness to you're conspiracies,... ME-chan is technically one of those Franken-tans.After all,... a fusion of old Windows and the NT-base.... instant abomination! [no wonder it crashes a lot...] @___@
QuoteWell there's an easy solution. ^__^Just have her wear a mask.I originally planned to have her wear a mask when in public, just so no one will be able to recognize her. (reasons are four-fold: 1) to avoid anyone spotting any similarities to NT-san, 2) to hide her shame of working with HP, 3) to serve as a convenient breathing apparatus for when she swims with her sharkies, and 4) just to look like the cool leader of the CIOST.
QuoteIn fact, referring to my original inspiration for VMS (Freesia Yagyu), I kinda imagine that a fight between her and her younger/nimbler daughter would kinda look something like this:
QuoteOh yes, but how many Linuxes, BSDs, OS Xs and other Nixes hath the mainframes providith us?
QuoteYes, go watch FMA It's only graphic if you dislike blood, some gore, man-monsters, crazed eating machines and the occasional blasphemer...
Quote....I supposed that dude with the glasses is Dave Cutler....?
QuoteEven though I think VMS-sama would hate NT-san on every conscious level, I still see her as sorta not giving her all when battling NT-san, as if she's afraid to injure who is in all likelihood the only carrier of her bloodline...NT, of course, has no attachment to this VMS-sama and would, at least try, to fight with as much gusto as she can...
QuoteIn case you're starting to tire of hashing over details of VMS and co., I've been wondering about a new group...the Unix successors! Like Plan 9 and Inferno.
QuoteUm,.... well technically all of them.... '___'Information, transport, and lots of other daily essentials won't flow without supercomputers. ^_____^'Oh, and there's Z/OS-sama,... currently THE - MOST - POWERFUL OS-tan (at least as far as gross power is concerned), who shares her roots with both MVS and UNIX, and is also well versed in the Linux craft (Linux on Z/Series)
QuoteShe sounds cool beyond belief, and certainly has the power, size and war goddess attire to command respect. Unfortunately she's also horrifically arrogant, spartan to a fault and exceedingly boring, so you'd likely never see her at all (outside of tormenting other Mainframe-tans).
QuoteBesides, my only concern with any Anime is that there be a cute and/or cool female character that I can watch. ^___^
QuoteSo now actual comments about that awesome fight scene? Very well choreographed (if a little too far-fetched, but then it is an Action Comedy series).... ^^;
Quote1) They'd look really cool fighting (although only in VMS-sama's younger days would she have used the lighter DEC sword -- now she uses that nasty-looking cleaver, although she's still very fast with it).2) VMS-sama COULD look cool with that kind of half-mask on (hell as I would suggest giving her a full-faced one... ^__^).So what says the Bella one? ^.^
QuoteI could talk about them, but I am really dying to draw them all instead first. ^.^How about giving me two days or so, and I'll see if I can devise some quick micro-sketches to better explain my points (like I did with UNIX-sama). ^__^
QuoteMuch fun awaits you here -- perhaps too much for a young lass such as yourself seeking drama and melancholy! Â¯vÂ¯
QuoteI think it's a great idea! As for the full face mask, I would kinda like some of her face to be showing...
QuoteI actually did a concept sketch for Inferno-tan, I'll have to post that