Started by Simonorged, January 23, 2013, 11:38:01 AM
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Quote from: DustiiWolf on January 24, 2013, 08:43:23 PMGun Control:No one should have concealed carry. Period. People who wish to have a gun should require special permits and will only be allowed for use in recreation, occupation, and home protection (meaning it doesn't leave the home). The whole idea of having a concealed weapon for protection backfires a lot of the time. Guns of a certain length or shorter should be banned, and automatic and heavy duty weapons should be banned. Those exempt from such a ban should be Military, Police, etc... Our use of guns has gone far beyond that of constitutional right in recent years. It needs to be stopped.
Quote from: Simonorged on January 25, 2013, 08:32:22 AMAnything that gets you out of your usual state of mind is bad in my opinion.Anything that gets you chemically addicted is bad in my opinion. Even coffee.
Quote from: NejinOniwa on January 25, 2013, 11:02:06 AMThe whole thing with "gun control"...It's not the guns you need to find, it's the dangerous people. (Quoth my mom whenever we pass an airport security check)You can see that in the way the canadians have more guns per capita in some places than nearby americans, but the canadians have waaaaaaaay lower crime/murder rates despite that.It is, I'm afraid, a cultural thing. It's less a need for gun control, and more a need for mind control until you've got the bad strains out of the populace's heads, really...
QuoteOn drugs, I've just never seen the gain. At all. It damages your brain, which I'm fiercely possessive of, and I'm trippy enough without drugs. 90% of all booze tastes like shit, and I'd puke before I could draw a single breath on a cigarette. My taste/smell senses are rather overpowered...
Quote from: Bella on January 25, 2013, 11:25:05 AMNot to sound snippy, but I honestly wonder - do you also believe this applies to people on anti-psychotic medications? Anti-depressants? Other mind-altering (but legal and potentially-helpful) drugs? In fact, almost every medication on the market has the potential to cause mind-altering effects (even ones that are very innocuous and common - for instance, some people have bad emotional reactions to hormonal birth control or become very tired and dazed-feeling on antihistamines), should people avoid those drugs too?As for chemical addictions, if you're anti-caffeine, are you also against sugar? Trans-fats? MSG? Other substances that are in everyday (typically, processed) food that have been proven to be unhealthy and addictive to one degree or another? Do you read labels and avoid all foods with caffeine, sugar, MSG and trans-fats in them?
Quote from: Chocofreak13 on January 25, 2013, 12:43:31 PMguess you wouldn't be too fond of me then. xD (*is a caffiene addict*)personally, i don't have a liking for drugs in any form. the smell of the raw cannibus plant is enough to make me puke, and i have stoner thoughts as it is. i don't need help with that. >>;;
Quote from: Bella on January 25, 2013, 12:23:21 PMExcept some people actually have valid reasons for feeling unsafe and needing to have that level of protection on themselves. Sometimes it IS an occupational thing - for instance, diamond dealers and other people who carry valuable materials and/or large quantities of money on their person sometimes carry concealed weapons to defend themselves against muggers and thieves.
Quote from: Bella on January 25, 2013, 12:23:21 PMOther people face real threats against their safety or lives, like stalkers, obsessed exes, friends or even strangers. Due to the nature of stalking, it's often difficult to get stalkers sent to jail (unless they make a physical attack or DOCUMENTED death-threats) and sometimes people have to take their protection into their own hands. As well, some groups of people are simply more disposed to facing violence than others. My reason for wanting a concealed weapon isn't occupational or because I know of someone who wishes to do me harm, but simply because of my gender. Although American society has made great strides in getting women recognized as Real Human Beings, there are still plenty of places where it's not exactly safe to live an independent life as a female. If having a weapon will make a mugger or rapist take a second thought about attacking me, I'd like to have one on my person. And, well, if I were attacked, you better believe I'd want to fight back with the deadliest force available to me.
Quote from: Bella on January 25, 2013, 12:23:21 PMWhat I'm getting as is not every person who wants to carry a concealed weapon is some sort of paranoid, gun-thumping yahoo who wants to stick it to the man (*coughs and side-eyes the Tea Party Patriots*). Every person is different and faces different circumstances, and to ban them outright could put many peoples' safety and lives at risk.
Quote from: Bella on January 25, 2013, 12:23:21 PMAlso, you may notice that absolutely none of the recent mass-shootings have involved people with concealed carry permits. Murderous people don't follow the rule of law - hence their being murderous in the first place. I don't care if concealed carry was banned, if assault weapons were banned, if shotguns and rifles and semi-auto pistols and revolvers were banned, violent people WOULD get a hold of guns, and they would use them. Banning certain classes of guns, putting up more limits on gun purchasing and saying who can and can't carry them will not keep firearms out of the hands of violent people - it'll only put restrictions on non-criminals and people with valid reasons for needing guns.