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Title: opinion?
Post by: Chocofreak13 on February 13, 2009, 05:55:40 PM
so yesterday i was walking, when i realized, "damn....my ipod has more memory than my computer!"

and earlier, i was downloading itunes, and learned that 2k isn't widely supported anymore.

i realize i need more space, so i'm DEFINITELY getting a new hard drive.
i love having 2000. she's adorable, sweet, & efficient. (and i haven't had her that long). but i want the community's opinion:

should i replace 2k with xp?
and
how big of a drive? and internal or external? (i'm kinda hoping for a 1tb external).

for reference, right now i'm running a compaq presario originally made for win 98 (1st edition), with a hard drive with just over 7gb. (idk about processor speed or RAM, been awhile since i cracked my baby open. the HCL was lost long ago, btw.)

yes, it's a shitbox......but it's MY shitbox. :3
Title: opinion?
Post by: Cockleshell on February 13, 2009, 06:13:09 PM
In a computer, non OS-tan way, yes. Get XP.
Title: opinion?
Post by: CaptBrenden on February 13, 2009, 06:39:24 PM
XP MCE is pretty good, but if you dont plan to use media center or stream audio/video or anthing its not important, the leser version of XP will work

and as for externals, those are nice if you want to share the files between multiple computers, or take large files (like subs) to differnt places, but for the most part I would go internal.  I hear alot of people complain about their externals, and the internals are cheaper for the same amount of space. Tho, if your computer is older, im not sure how compatable the hardware would be for an internal...
Title: opinion?
Post by: NejinOniwa on February 13, 2009, 06:49:04 PM
Most likely it'll use IDE, and on that old hardware there's no reasonably fast external alternative available, I'd say. Go internal.
Title: opinion?
Post by: Smokey on February 13, 2009, 07:33:01 PM
If you have no problems with compatibility on 2k, keep on using it, i see no reason to install XP...
And as for the drive, as long as your MoBo supports it, go internal...external drives are slower in comparison and useless if you don´t haul it around alot... (same with laptops, srsly)
Title: opinion?
Post by: Aurora Borealis on February 13, 2009, 07:38:37 PM
First of all, is your computer able to run XP, Chocofreak? (I'm not sure. I'm not familiar with Windows PCs but I have doubts that a PC from the days of Windows 98 would be able to run XP well)

But if your computer can run XP (and do so well enough), you should upgrade only if you have some applications that will only work in XP to make the upgrade seem worthwhile otherwise stick with 2K.

I can relate to the issues of upgrading first hand. The Mac Mini I have was upgraded to Leopard (OSX 10.5) which I thought was great until I found out there some applications that worked under Tiger (OSX 10.4) but not under Leopard (including Photoshop 7- one of my most important applications!) so I switched back.
Title: opinion?
Post by: Smokey on February 13, 2009, 07:43:18 PM
Every computer from PI and up will run XP if configued properly, but simpler, if it can run 2k, it can run XP...
However i stay with my previous statement, in that i believe that if it´s not neccesary to upgrade, don´t... (kinda rule one with sysadmins)
Title: opinion?
Post by: VonDaab on February 14, 2009, 02:58:55 AM
I had a Celeron from '98 that ran XP pretty well.
Only problem was the lack of ram, as it had only 256MB's of it...

So Photoshop was a pain on it.
Title: opinion?
Post by: Chocofreak13 on February 14, 2009, 05:45:02 AM
yeah.

maybe i should provie more info:

i don't really want to switch, since it's had xp before and ran a little slow. (mind you, we had installed xp pro over xp home over 98 w/o deleting. ah, we were so young and naive....)
but i got an opinion from my (former) teacher, and he agreed with me that it would most likely run fairly slow, or that the old thing wouldn't be able to handle it as well as it would 2k.

i want the most cost effective solution available, and i'd like to avoid cracking open the case as much as possible (it's not a very streamlined case, there's this weird front plastic piece that i can't get the case shell to fit in well anymore after opeining it up last time.)

if you guys insist, i'll get an internal, but please remember that this computer is fairly ANCIENT by today's standards. think from the past: not much RAM, processor, memory, ect. and while getting it apart is a task in itself, getting it back together is even harder. >_< (when i was setting it up the other night, the front plastic piece came off, and i had a hell of a time re-attaching the wire to the startup button ;_; )

will i have to buy another cooling fan for all this? :[
Title: opinion?
Post by: CaptBrenden on February 14, 2009, 05:48:19 AM
you shouldnt have to for a hard drive, and if you ever upgrade your computer you can just take that hardrave out and put it in the new one,
Title: opinion?
Post by: Chocofreak13 on February 14, 2009, 05:55:00 AM
true. i should maybe look into that......
either that or start hitting up my friends for parts >:]

and capitan, what the heck are you doing up this early?? by time zones it should be roughly 3-4 am where you are!! (the sun is JUST rising here!!! )
Title: opinion?
Post by: CaptBrenden on February 14, 2009, 06:01:50 AM
True enough, if you have friends into computers, there is bound to be alot of spare parts laying around you can salvage

and Im up drawing pronz <_<
Title: opinion?
Post by: NejinOniwa on February 14, 2009, 06:21:10 AM
The captain is never asleep, it seems, at least not at the "right" time...

I know how you feel ^^
Title: opinion?
Post by: CaptBrenden on February 14, 2009, 06:24:53 AM
you know, when I first saw this thread I wanted to post the wonderful quote "opinions are like assholes, everyone has one, and no one thinks theirs stinks"
Title: opinion?
Post by: Chocofreak13 on February 14, 2009, 06:44:55 AM
that's true. i'd stick by my asshole even if he killed me.
Title: opinion?
Post by: robhol on February 14, 2009, 06:48:54 AM
A computer made for 98 should be updated, retired or thrown away by now, to put it bluntly... ;)
You can try to get XP, but it's not likely to run too well.

Oh, and since this is my first post here: HAI GUISE!!!1 ;hi
Title: opinion?
Post by: Smokey on February 14, 2009, 08:11:55 AM
No computer that still runs 2k or above should be scrapped... think green, man!

Also if you don´t want to open up your case then maybe an external would work... as for the question if an internal would work, i need more detaild info than just ´it´s ancient´ sorry, but you have to come up with type numbers, from the mainboard or the system itself... then i can look up if it will be compatible with modern E-IDE disks, and so, to what size...
Title: opinion?
Post by: CaptBrenden on February 14, 2009, 12:42:38 PM
I still have a computer runningg 3.1.  No true computer lover would throw away such thing.
Title: opinion?
Post by: NejinOniwa on February 14, 2009, 06:19:25 PM
True...but how much do you USE it, in all honesty?

-w-
Title: opinion?
Post by: Smokey on February 14, 2009, 07:04:34 PM
well, i had an 8088 wich i did use frequently just because the massive amount of respect i had for it...
and because it was the quikest way to play blackjack...

I really love the pre-pentium computers...[/sick, twisted fandom]
Title: opinion?
Post by: Chocofreak13 on February 16, 2009, 07:15:15 AM
robhol: DUN'T WANT >:[

i loves ol' shitty. i'm NOT scrapping it!

and it's not cost effective. the only other computer i have eyes for is an alienware laptop i customized.....worth a little over $2000.

besides, i LOVES EET.......EET'S MINE......♥


smokey:
i looked it up on the site! here it is:
http://h10025.www1.hp.com/ewfrf/wc/document?docname=c00013794&lc=en&dlc=en&cc=us&lang=en&product=93506#

i'm sorry....i'm gonna have to crack it open again to get the board specs for you....
Title: opinion?
Post by: Red-Machine on February 16, 2009, 07:33:49 AM
Though I do love XP, I'd say stick with 2000.  It's still a good OS and with XP-tan being the memory-hog she is, you'd run a lot faster if you stuck with 2K-tan.

And 6502 ftw!
Title: opinion?
Post by: Chocofreak13 on February 16, 2009, 07:37:42 AM
i think so too, which is why i'm at least keeping the os. last time we ran xp she was just a tad slow....
but 2k seems to be faring well.
Title: opinion?
Post by: Smokey on February 16, 2009, 07:38:44 AM
No need... The system doesn't support HardDrives bigger than 30GB... you need at least a late generation PIII board in order to support larger internal harddrives...

So it will be external for you...

BTW +respect for the PII... Slot-1 processors are cool...
Title: opinion?
Post by: Chocofreak13 on February 16, 2009, 08:20:08 AM
thankyou!

eh, that's a bit of a setback, but i don't mind much. anything for shitty. <3
Title: opinion?
Post by: Red-Machine on February 16, 2009, 08:22:34 AM
*low whistle* When did you get THAT!?  That would be a great machine for DOS gaming and old Win 95 stuff!
Title: opinion?
Post by: RandiNinja on February 16, 2009, 11:56:21 PM
My opinion?

DON'T NEED TO UPGRADE JUST BUY A NEW ONE!
As long as you think your treasure chest is not useful/powerful enough!

If it's me, i'll buy a new PC and give the old stuff to my little brother or use for something that didn't need high performance pc like nonstop downloading or something or practicing pc router?
hmm.. that will do!

Quote*low whistle* When did you get THAT!? That would be a great machine for DOS gaming and old Win 95 stuff!
For old game? It doesn't mean you need old stuff too!!

Use VMWare or M$ Virtual Machine and install the appropriate OS needed to play the game!
Title: opinion?
Post by: Smokey on February 16, 2009, 11:57:20 PM
or DOSbox
Title: opinion?
Post by: Red-Machine on February 17, 2009, 04:35:03 AM
Yeah, but VirtualPC and the like don't have 3D graphics!  DOSBox is ace, but one of my favourite games is incompatible with the latest version!
Title: opinion?
Post by: Smokey on February 17, 2009, 11:56:06 AM
I just recently discovered that Heretic needed to run at at least 9500 cycles in DOSbox...

PII cpu's are hard to overclock, too bad you don't have a PIII, choco, they were a dream to OC...
Title: opinion?
Post by: Red-Machine on February 17, 2009, 01:25:08 PM
Quote from: "Smokey"I just recently discovered that Heretic needed to run at at least 9500 cycles in DOSbox...

You could always just set cycles=max to have DOSBox do it for you.
Title: opinion?
Post by: Smokey on February 17, 2009, 01:45:11 PM
that's done in the config file, right?
Title: opinion?
Post by: Red-Machine on February 17, 2009, 01:47:49 PM
Yup.  I have become rather intimately acquainted with that .cfg file over the years.  I could PM you an optimally configured one if you like?
Title: opinion?
Post by: Smokey on February 17, 2009, 01:54:11 PM
sure, i'd apreciate thet...
Would also stop this thread from derailing completely... ^_^