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OS-tan discussions => OS-tan Fan-Fics, Comics and Fan-Stuff => Topic started by: DustiiWolf on November 27, 2013, 11:56:25 pm

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Post by: DustiiWolf on November 27, 2013, 11:56:25 pm
A thread similar topic-less, but with the central topic of OS-tans. The purpose of this thread is to post those OS-tan related things that dont really make sense to start an entirely new thread on (and in the event the conversation on something in here gets to the point it needs one, then you create one!).




I had a great idea:

Yuru Denwa (Easygoing Mobile) Anime parody of Yuru Yuri

• Kyoko = Windows Phone, since shes awesome at some things, but is a bit naive (representing WP's design and features, but lacking critical features)

• Yui = iOS, since shes coolheaded and collected (representing iOS' polish and refinement)

• Chinatsu = Android, because despite her beauty, her drawings are hideous (representing androids relatively cool UI, but its hideous reminder of being complicated and messy underneath due to fragmentation, feature overload, and being open source)

• And, drumroll: Akari as blackberry, since no one notices her! (need i say more?). Think about it! ...."Akariiiiin!" ...."Blackberriiiiii!" *character is invisible*

I would so watch this
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Post by: Krizonar on November 28, 2013, 12:09:05 am
Understanding this would most likely require me to have watched "Yuri Yuri".

However, I feel a show about OS-tans would be watched by everyone here as long as it respected the characters, be it funny or serious.
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Post by: DustiiWolf on November 28, 2013, 12:12:56 am
Quote from: Krizonar on November 28, 2013, 12:09:05 am
Understanding this would most likely require me to have watched "Yuri Yuri".

However, I feel a show about OS-tans would be watched by everyone here as long as it respected the characters, be it funny or serious.


Omg. You. Watch. Nao. (http://www.animefreak.tv/watch/yuru-yuri-online)

Its ridiculously funny (as long as you dont hate lighthearted slice of life animes or lesbian innuendoes)

Anyways, i think itd be funny to parody it with the 4 main mobile OS'
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Post by: Chocofreak13 on November 28, 2013, 11:50:26 am
SOMEONE'S on a YY kick. xD (talk to nej, he loves it too.)

I seriously lol'd at akari. Blackberry. xDDD
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Post by: NejinOniwa on November 28, 2013, 11:56:20 am
I chuckled.
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Post by: Bella on November 28, 2013, 12:42:56 pm
Huh. I wanted to make one of these threads years ago, but I never got around to doing it because /More IBM-tans and /Theories had already become OS-tan Topicless by then.

Ir recently occurred to me that ENIAC-tan would be the ultimate ancestor of the UNIVAC clan .... about 5 years late. Why didn't I make this connection sooner? ><
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Post by: Chocofreak13 on November 28, 2013, 09:58:18 pm
because established topic threads became topicless.

where would GENIAC fall in all this? :0
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Post by: Bella on November 28, 2013, 10:53:27 pm
GENIAC-chan is kind of an oddity - if memory serves right, she's not related to any other OS-tans and was built from scratch. There seems to be some disagreement on how literal that "built from scratch" statement is - iirc, C-chan planned her as something of a living-doll (a la Rozen Maiden), while Aurora's design was puppet-like and needed a human / OS-tan operator to stay conscious, while she seems more autonomous and human-like in Stew's SAGE stories. Then there's whole matter of her lying abandoned and "dead" in an attic for 40 years ... gyeeesh.

Now I'm thinking of the uncomfortable topic of "How ARE computer-tans made, anyway?" Which, as usual, I have mixed ideas about. ^^;
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Post by: NejinOniwa on November 28, 2013, 11:11:33 pm
The question of how they're made is indeed a pretty weird one.

I've always envisioned it something like this: when you write the source code of a system, you also write the Code that supplies the -tan with power. A computer system being created on the material plane is equal to a -tan being created in Open Space via code. In a way, the -tan is the soul of the system - which is why their existences are linked to one another.

It makes a lot more sense if you've read my Astral Physics blurb for EWAR, which you haven't, so that's that.
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Post by: Bella on November 28, 2013, 11:54:28 pm
Innnnnnteresting idea. : o

I've always imagined it varies a lot from faction to faction and -tan to -tan.
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Post by: NejinOniwa on November 29, 2013, 12:50:41 am
But essentially that stuff is what you're doing when you're taking parts of one tan's code and incorporating it into another. Results vary depending on the method, of course; but even so you're taking intrinsic parts of one -tan's soul and making it part of a new -tan. Homunculus anyone?
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Post by: Chocofreak13 on November 29, 2013, 04:39:34 pm
chimera-tans. got it.


though tbh, if we're talking about mechanical computers vs software ones, i'm down for the puppet/living doll idea. when you think about it, computers existing outside of a virtual plane sounds almost like a shell sans a soul. the OS "soul" is what makes the hardware "body" function. so for a solely mechanical computer like HT-tan to work, she either operates under the same idea as Pinocchio, or has some external source to make her function (like a wind-up key, OS imbuing magic into her, etc etc).

that's just my two cents though, you do what you like for your stories. :3
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Post by: DustiiWolf on November 29, 2013, 06:35:57 pm
If hardware-tans rely on OS-tans, then how do software-tans work?
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Post by: Chocofreak13 on November 29, 2013, 07:17:14 pm
we had worked this out in the theory thread years ago, the basic idea was that software was basically "employed" by OS-tans. in a virtual space, the software -tans exist, but have no purpose other than to serve the OSes. there was a whole class hierarchy worked out and everything, but I think we got distracted and stopped focusing on it.

if you want to revive the topic in theories, I am totally game. :3
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Post by: DustiiWolf on December 03, 2013, 09:28:57 pm
Anyone know if there is a (preferably widely accepted) iOS or Android-tan?
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Post by: NejinOniwa on December 03, 2013, 09:52:42 pm
Not really.
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Post by: Krizonar on December 03, 2013, 09:56:17 pm
iOS tans definitely exist, but I don't think there is an accepted default one.
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Post by: DustiiWolf on December 04, 2013, 12:50:44 am
Quote from: Krizonar on December 03, 2013, 09:56:17 pm
iOS tans definitely exist, but I don't think there is an accepted default one.


I see...
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Post by: stewartsage on December 04, 2013, 02:34:16 am
GENIAC in my stories does require an "operator" but that doesn't mean constant physical contact.

Scope is not dead CDC-tans.

As for how OS-tans are created in the universe that encompasses my stories and the parts I steal from C-chan/Bells/Aurora
(http://i.imgur.com/2JRTyme.gif)
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Post by: Chocofreak13 on December 04, 2013, 09:50:39 pm
there is an Android-tan, if I recall. search the gallery, I know she's in there. she has a white bodysuit(?) and green hair.

as for iOS, for the most part I think it defaults to siri-tan, and there are MANY versions of her. (the one I like the best is blonde with glasses and a mole. I know all the siri-tan pics are in the gallery.)
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Post by: DustiiWolf on December 05, 2013, 12:18:20 am
Quote from: Chocofreak13 on December 04, 2013, 09:50:39 pm
there is an Android-tan, if I recall. search the gallery, I know she's in there. she has a white bodysuit(?) and green hair.

as for iOS, for the most part I think it defaults to siri-tan, and there are MANY versions of her. (the one I like the best is blonde with glasses and a mole. I know all the siri-tan pics are in the gallery.)


Thank you!
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Post by: Chocofreak13 on December 05, 2013, 01:23:46 am
np man. I also happen to know there is a windows phone-tan (outside of CE), so all the bases are covered, pretty much.

now, what i'd like to see is a Raspberry Pi-tan. -w-
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Post by: DustiiWolf on December 05, 2013, 02:51:36 am
Quote from: Chocofreak13 on December 05, 2013, 01:23:46 am
I also happen to know there is a windows phone-tan (outside of CE)


As in WP7-tan, or Non-CE WP-tan (aka WP8-tan, who is based on NT)?

If the latter, link please.
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Post by: Chocofreak13 on December 05, 2013, 11:19:42 am
windows phone 7-tan, the little girl with the blue hair. though I think I may have found some of the latter. too busy to uproot links atm, though.
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Post by: Bella on December 06, 2013, 02:17:08 pm
Quote from: stewartsage on December 04, 2013, 02:34:16 am
GENIAC in my stories does require an "operator" but that doesn't mean constant physical contact.

Scope is not dead CDC-tans.

As for how OS-tans are created in the universe that encompasses my stories and the parts I steal from C-chan/Bells/Aurora
(http://i.imgur.com/2JRTyme.gif)


Then what the hell is she stitched out of?

Yooooou're no funnnnnnnnnn.

Quote from: NejinOniwa on November 29, 2013, 12:50:41 am
But essentially that stuff is what you're doing when you're taking parts of one tan's code and incorporating it into another. Results vary depending on the method, of course; but even so you're taking intrinsic parts of one -tan's soul and making it part of a new -tan. Homunculus anyone?


Okay, you got me there. Though I think of it less as using parts of their soul and more as using their "dna" (source code in the case of OS/software-tans and actual building schematics in the case of hardwares, I suppose) to create a new -tan.

Quote from: Chocofreak13 on November 29, 2013, 04:39:34 pmthough tbh, if we're talking about mechanical computers vs software ones, i'm down for the puppet/living doll idea. when you think about it, computers existing outside of a virtual plane sounds almost like a shell sans a soul. the OS "soul" is what makes the hardware "body" function. so for a solely mechanical computer like HT-tan to work, she either operates under the same idea as Pinocchio, or has some external source to make her function (like a wind-up key, OS imbuing magic into her, etc etc).

that's just my two cents though, you do what you like for your stories. :3


Interesting thoughts!
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Post by: NejinOniwa on December 06, 2013, 03:20:22 pm
Soul=dna in astral physics terms. But let me explain briefly how that works, courtesy of the EWAR lore machine.

BASICALLY: The -tans MANIFEST as the result of the assembly of a unique computer system, HARD- OR SOFTWARE. Either way you go at it, it is the construction AND EXECUTION of an unique type of code ON THE MATERIAL PLANE that creates, on what is known in OS-tan terminology as Open Space but in more magical contexts as the Astral Plane, a REPRESENTATIVE FORM made up of Code - the system-tan.

In simple terms this is because Material-plane (mp) energy, forces and processes correspond to Astral-plane (ap) matter, or Code; while Material-plane matter corresponds to Astral-plane energy, forces and processes. If we represent these by the following symbols: M and E for mp content, and A and Ë for ap content, we can formulate the relationship as such:

The presence of M generates (much like gravity generates an attracting force between two objects) Ë of a corresponding level and type, depending on the M involved. Similarly, the presence of E generates A of a corresponding size and structure depending on the E available. And vice versa.
In this case, the construction and execution of code in mp space creates, first with the construction of the physical form of the system, an energy structure that corresponds to the system's material form. When this code then is executed, the resulting energy flows and processes in mp generates a physical form on ap that integrates the extant energy structure, bringing the system's representative form (RF) to life the instant it first is run. However, this depends on the system being unique enough that it simply doesn't fall into the same patterns as those powering extant RF's; if you build a new home pc, for example, that energy structure is going to be similar enough to thousands of others because you are using mass-produced parts for a common purpose without specializing their use. When you then execute that code the generated A (what I previously have referred to simply as Code) will simply gravitate to whatever extant RF best matches the code structure; in this case, that of the OS installed on the system. A system running Win XP will thus send its generated Code to XP-tan, granting her the powers of that Node as long as it is running. Some part of that will also be sent to XP-tan's direct ancestors, since their code types also match hers to a lesser degree.

NOW TO THE NEXT PART:
RFs are native to the ap, or Open Space. However, while the nodes powering them are essential for their existence, proximity to them and their corresponding locations on ap is not necessary; the generated Code will gravitate toward the RF regardless of where they are at the moment - mp locations included. Closed Space (ap locations that have been closed off to the outside by various means, either by building "walls" of A around it or destroying the surrounding A and making a "bubble" of sorts) can be trickier, however, for RFs that do not know the details and keys of their location. However, an RF can without danger convert themselves reversely into material form; their energy and matter parts switch places, so to speak, which may lead to slight changes in appearance, abilities or even personality for RFs not used to the practice. They will be "anchored" to the ap at the point where their Code/Power flows enter the mp and their bodies; just like humans are "anchored" to the ap at the point where their souls connect to their bodies. Alas, that is a sidetrack.

I could go on a LOT more about this, but essentially it's a part of the EWAR SMM that I've repurposed for use here. Surprisingly easy, actually.
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Post by: Chocofreak13 on December 07, 2013, 12:09:41 pm
it makes sense to a point, but after that my head starts hurting.


doesn't belong in the theory thread, or did that die again? (MUST I REVIVE IT ONCE AGAIN??)
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Post by: stewartsage on December 07, 2013, 07:04:24 pm
Well it's been in the theory thread, but the question was raised again.

I have so many semi-finished stories that I should actually complete.  There's still a Columbus UNIX series and a PTSS series I should really finish.
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Post by: Chocofreak13 on December 08, 2013, 11:00:00 am
do eet. :0

someday, i'll get back to the OS-tan Comiket. someday.
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Post by: Penti-chan on December 08, 2013, 12:37:59 pm
I need to finish up the stories I was working on -w-;;

On a different note, I'm slowly forming ideas for Lynx-tan :3
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Post by: DustiiWolf on December 08, 2013, 03:43:52 pm
OS-tan Comiket? What's that?
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Post by: Penti-chan on December 08, 2013, 04:04:20 pm
That'd be the OS-tan comic that Kari was making, but got sidetracked. She uploaded the first few chapters of it a few years ago here (http://ostan-collections.net/forum/index.php/topic,1504.0.html), but she's been too busy with Aces High (Her other comic, located here (http://aceshigh.smackjeeves.com/)) as far as comics go.
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Post by: Bella on December 08, 2013, 05:15:11 pm
Quote from: stewartsage on December 07, 2013, 07:04:24 pmI have so many semi-finished stories that I should actually complete.  There's still a Columbus UNIX series and a PTSS series I should really finish.


Doooooooooooooooooo eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeettttt.
I've been wondering about CB Unix and PTSS-tan for ages. ;^;

Quote from: Chocofreak13 on December 08, 2013, 11:00:00 am
someday, i'll get back to the OS-tan Comiket. someday.


I'd give you the same comment I gave Stew, but you're busy with Ace's High so I can let you off the hook. -w-

Quote from: PentiumMMX on December 08, 2013, 12:37:59 pm
On a different note, I'm slowly forming ideas for Lynx-tan :3


Post that toast (when you're finished). :3

I feel like i should have something more constructive to post here but i don't. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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Post by: Chocofreak13 on December 08, 2013, 05:59:25 pm
when I get into a steady rhythm with Ace's High I may work on the Comiket more. I wrote an entire arc for it (with cool action scenes!), so I don't want that to go to waste.
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Post by: DustiiWolf on December 08, 2013, 07:57:40 pm
If i was any good at art i'd do something tan related. Everything looks good in my head but comes out 1/10th the quality i desire...

I'd like to make a comic, or even an animation... but i need to hone my skills first....
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Post by: Chocofreak13 on December 08, 2013, 08:52:32 pm
practice practice practice practice practice practice. that is all I can say to you.


and if you think i'm bullshitting you there, consider the following:
my first anime drawings (and this is AFTER I got the book) looked like giant candy bars with grapefruits cut in half and stuck on the "chest" region. with straws poked in the top, and eggs poked on the top of those straws.

let that sink in while you look at something recent. (http://ostan-collections.net/forum/index.php/topic,504.msg153525.html#msg153525)


(I DID post a drawing tutorial on my DA awhile back if you think that'll help any. :\ )
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Post by: DustiiWolf on December 08, 2013, 09:01:14 pm
Quote from: Chocofreak13 on December 08, 2013, 08:52:32 pm
practice practice practice practice practice practice. that is all I can say to you.


and if you think i'm bullshitting you there, consider the following:
my first anime drawings (and this is AFTER I got the book) looked like giant candy bars with grapefruits cut in half and stuck on the "chest" region. with straws poked in the top, and eggs poked on the top of those straws.

let that sink in while you look at something recent. (http://ostan-collections.net/forum/index.php/topic,504.msg153525.html#msg153525)

(I DID post a drawing tutorial on my DA awhile back if you think that'll help any. :\ )


Still better than me on average...

Thing is, I used to be a lot better than now,  but due to circumstances (long story) which i'd rather not explain, i stopped drawing for a long time... only this year did i really pick it back up for more than an occasional doodle...

Every once in a while, if i have an image to go off of, i can make something decent, like Metra here (http://ostan-collections.net/forum/index.php/topic,504.msg153841.html#msg153841), but drawing from scratch? My quality has decreased drastically i feel.
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Post by: Chocofreak13 on December 08, 2013, 09:15:31 pm
still, the only thing I can really advocate is practice, and if you feel like it, observation. studying the masters can be a real help, and you can learn interesting hints of style that may eventually reflect in your personal style.

if you weren't gearing up for a move soon, i'd also advocate investing in a ball-jointed doll. (http://loliapplebom.files.wordpress.com/2011/05/137.jpg) the 1/6 scale ones are cheap, durable, and can pose 10 times better than an artists' mannequin. some of the softer ones also have some semblance of anatomy, too. (if you do, I recommend Obitsu, they're very basic and sometimes have magnets in the feet for easier posing. google The Junky Spot and you'll find a store with a huge selection for reasonable prices.)
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Post by: NejinOniwa on December 08, 2013, 10:32:39 pm
I was never any good at drawing, but I've been able to fake my way through the worst and do some decent stuff back in the day. I used to be decent enough at sketching, but getting that stuff digitalized never came easy to me.

I am completely rusted by now, though; by far the best work I believe I've done is this thing (http://nejinoniwa.deviantart.com/art/Birthday-gift-for-BellaCielo-194377280?q=gallery%3ANejinOniwa%2F30378204&qo=1) which actually looked a bit more than half-assed once complete. People keep giving me drawery-related presents all the time though...but I never use them >_>
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Post by: Chocofreak13 on December 09, 2013, 12:06:36 am
still looks nice. ^^
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Post by: Penti-chan on December 21, 2013, 12:30:29 pm
Indeed ^^
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Post by: Balrith on December 21, 2013, 01:28:23 pm
Practicing a lot is a necessity, as choco has mentioned already. Especially for decent linework.
I've noticed one of the first things to go after I take a break is that my lines become more chickenscratchy again.

For practicing, try imitating some decently famous artists that you like, but do not be fixated on any one single artist. Do studies from life. Look at porn and doujins from an artist's point of view. Think about why they place the lines there and how the lines look. What feelings do different types of lines give the overall piece? Don't worry too much about developing your own style.
Just absorb as much anatomy knowledge as you can. Tracing is an okay place to get started but copying or drawing from reference would be better. What matters is that you're thinking about what you're imitating.

Don't work in a vacuum. Forcing yourself to develop a style and then sticking to it instead of incorporating new things as you learn will just stunt your growth anyways. A style is supposed to be something that comes naturally to you like your own handwriting.
It's a crystallization of all that you have learned and is the way that you automatically choose to represent the world. As long as you're growing as an artist, expect it to change and evolve.
Even many super deformed styles are styles that can only be executed properly only with the necessary amount of underlying anatomy knowledge. The same can be said of the anime style in general.
It is simplified, but not easy. In order to simplify something, you first have to know how it works.


While working on developing your sense of anatomy, also work on drawing from imagination. Draw random characters or characters from reference in new poses. Don't be afraid of drawing hands or feet. Things that you avoid drawing should be practiced until you enjoy it. http://www.posemaniacs.com/ 10 second drawing can help with placing body parts and ratios and cut down on wasted lines.


As for coloring advice, I can't really give any. I'm only getting started in that respect too. Just know that to color properly, one should first have a grasp of how to draw body parts from different angles in order to know where the parts in light and shadow are. Also, it's a good idea to start with only black and white drawings from reference. Get an idea of the light and dark values and what shades of light and dark look good in the overall picture. Then, finally work on playing with hues and saturation and bending colors. Coloring is probably one of the most distinct parts of any one artist's style.
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Post by: Chocofreak13 on December 21, 2013, 02:15:19 pm
colouring is a buttload of fun, but in order to introduce light and shadow, you have to think of 2 things. 1, the source of the light. and 2, the shape of the object in light/shadow.

for example, say you were doing sunlight in a picture. the hair would have the typical halo effect you would expect, and underneath that (such as under the bangs, on the sides of the face, and under the chin/down to the shoulders) would be in shadow. then, points that stick out (cheeks, shoulder tops, breast tops if they're showing) may have a slight highlight (this can be super-tricky if you're not careful, so I usually omit it for simplicity's sake since skin isn't super-shiny anyway). parts that are covered by other parts (the body's sides, depending on arm position; under the boobs; skin showing underneath clothing, such as thighs under a skirt) would be in shadow, too.

after that, only shiny stuff would receive a highlight, and depending on the size of the item, it might be easier on the artist to omit it completely. (a necklace from far away would just be a necklace, but if you zoom in on the face, the necklace might show highlights on the chain and pendant.)

of course, with each lighting change, highlights and shadows change dramatically, especially if the light is low or coloured (such as at night). one cardinal rule I can tell you is that highlights on black hair never change. other colours may show up differently in different coloured light, but black's highlights are always either white, blue, or purple (in the case of anime). anything else looks awkward (such as when I thought of using golden on black hair and my teacher told me that it'd look like there was honey in it).
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Post by: Balrith on December 21, 2013, 04:01:25 pm
Quote from: Chocofreak13 on December 21, 2013, 02:15:19 pm
highlights on black hair never change. other colours may show up differently in different coloured light, but black's highlights are always either white, blue, or purple (in the case of anime). anything else looks awkward (such as when I thought of using golden on black hair and my teacher told me that it'd look like there was honey in it).


I'm going to have to disagree with that. Black hair with touches of red and yellow highlights is a pretty common stylistic choice, although in some cases that starts to fall into the category of color bending.  Doomfest's or Yuumei's styles are good examples. Doom pretty much puts red everywhere and Yuumei's style is heavily based on atmospheric lighting and highlights. Depending on the lighting, touches of yellow green wouldn't go amiss either. As you say, color is heavily context dependent and there are very few absolutes when it comes to coloring.
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Post by: Chocofreak13 on December 21, 2013, 08:35:24 pm
this was coming from a guy who had been doing work with coloured pencils (which is what we were using) for between 35-45 years or so. so I would disagree with you, saying that if someone makes the choice to use those colours, it must be a rather stylized piece.

I would never use them, personally. #2tricky4me
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Post by: Balrith on December 21, 2013, 11:02:55 pm
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You're not disagreeing though. I did say that the effect can be very stylized. Depending on the way these colors are used, the effect can range from very stylistic to just lending some good old tonal variation. Either way, done right, it doesn't look awkward. I'll post some examples.

brown red highlights
(http://i.imgur.com/S8ewo4l.jpg)

yellow and red highlights
(http://i.imgur.com/bFARr7s.jpg)

green and yellows in dead master's hair
(http://i.imgur.com/1RIrrk8.jpg)

orangey yellow highlights are present in the hair of the maid that's turning back.
(http://24.media.tumblr.com/b43ccad0bc39a69a06bf99494fb74631/tumblr_my4d4rDTPN1qfpfczo1_1280.jpg?.jpg)

A few from Yuumei since she likes her colored lights.
(http://i.imgur.com/gBAp5cn.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/G6saBqD.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/FA5Tf45.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/U2PVpqC.jpg)

And finally, there's Cushart's current style. Easily the most stylized coloring style in the bunch.
(http://i.imgur.com/qavBYvR.jpg)
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Post by: NejinOniwa on December 21, 2013, 11:15:21 pm
stop being such artsy pls i feel lost
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Post by: Balrith on December 21, 2013, 11:28:03 pm
My bad. It is starting to get pretty off topic. I'll spoiler it.
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Post by: Chocofreak13 on December 22, 2013, 10:05:40 am
@balrith: [spoiler]of the ones you posted, only black rock shooter,  yuumei and ahri have true black hair, the rest are brown-black. sorry to split hairs (pun TOTALLY intended), but brown has a much wider range it can be highlighted with.

also, of the Yuumei pics, i'd consider the third one to be more reflected light than a true highlight. the highlights in hair you see are the halo around the top, which isn't present at all in that pic. it's a beautiful picture, and a great reference, but I wouldn't count that as a true "highlight". (gawd I sound so art-school-elitist right now i'm so sorry)

ahri is beautiful, but having orange in black hair is, frankly, confusing. >: ?
also, black rock shooter is extremely stylized and I would not consider it the norm, given that each character works off a black/[colour] scheme. :\ [/spoiler]
Title: Re: On Topic[less]
Post by: Balrith on December 22, 2013, 03:29:10 pm
[spoiler]
Quote from: Chocofreak13 on December 21, 2013, 02:15:19 pm
one cardinal rule I can tell you is that highlights on black hair never change. other colours may show up differently in different coloured light, but black's highlights are always either white, blue, or purple (in the case of anime). anything else looks awkward (such as when I thought of using golden on black hair and my teacher told me that it'd look like there was honey in it).

Quote from: Balrith on December 21, 2013, 04:01:25 pm
Black hair with touches of red and yellow highlights is a pretty common stylistic choice, although in some cases that starts to fall into the category of color bending.

Quote from: Chocofreak13 on December 21, 2013, 08:35:24 pm
I would disagree with you, saying that if someone makes the choice to use those colours, it must be a rather stylized piece.

Quote from: Balrith on December 21, 2013, 11:02:55 pm
You're not disagreeing though. I did say that the effect can be very stylized. Depending on the way these colors are used, the effect can range from very stylistic to just lending some good old tonal variation. Either way, done right, it doesn't look awkward.

Quote from: Chocofreak13 on December 22, 2013, 10:05:40 am
black rock shooter is extremely stylized and I would not consider it the norm, given that each character works off a black/[colour] scheme.






I did post a lot of pictures partly to allow for difference in interpretation.

For the third Yuumei picture, the highlight is a bright unsaturated orange. It is faint but present. It does cut out halfway across the hair but a highlight is a color. Deciding where to put it and how much to put is at the artist's discretion and depends on his or her interpretation of the lighting's direction and intensity and the emotion that needs to be conveyed. Misplaced highlight colors used by an unskilled artist look wrong because you can still identify them as highlights.

Colored lights on black hair are going to make the hair the color of the light like Yuumei's pics demonstrated. Colorize a picture of a person with black hair and that person's hair highlights will be the color you chose.

Ahri's orange hair is confusing when stopping to think about it. But, when looking at it with the context of the coloring of the rest of the picture, it looks fine. I find the ability to do that with colors a damn impressive thing.

Dead Master's hair is indeed part of her character design. The part of the picture that you should be focusing on however, is how natural Alphonse made her hair look. With the greenish sepia atmospheric lighting around Dead Master, that hair looks black. The yellow-green highlights aren't awkward. It's not as if had the hair been on another random character the colors would suddenly start looking wrong. The same goes for BRS' hair in the fifth panel where she has a dull bronze hair highlight.

Besides, what is the norm? You've already allowed for purple highlights and that is fairly stylistic. Just because something is less commonly used doesn't make it less valid.
Even if using other colors as the highlight isn't the norm, if it looks right, then the rule that black hair can only have white, blue, or purple highlights isn't absolute. Instead it might just mean just that white, blue, or purple are the the only highlight colors for black hair for the small subset of lighting conditions that the average artist draws.


Decent artists are expected to have a good grasp of how colors interact in all lighting situations. This can include even being responsible for learning how to color as if the picture has been through an instagram filter. Then there are some artists that manage to color in ways that even a filter can't reproduce. Many polished coloring styles depend on stimulating the viewer with extreme saturation and strange colors that nevertheless look correct. Not necessarily correct as in the sense that you might see it in real life, but correct as in the colors might be unexpected, but still make sense as a whole. That's one of the main things that make coloring so hard.
[/spoiler]
Title: Re: On Topic[less]
Post by: DustiiWolf on December 22, 2013, 05:49:05 pm
Wow! Such good insights and information! Thanks!

[spoiler=Topic Change]
To change the topic, anyone know who this is:
(https://31.media.tumblr.com/1af812ec41ea1d2f93829509e328756e/tumblr_msl5zuYD4V1sp4ql3o1_500.jpg)
Shes in the #os娘 tag on tumblr. Here's a comic of her:
(http://24.media.tumblr.com/6d244348b6f3c16a5200572c97cdddc8/tumblr_mpomw7xrHQ1sp4ql3o1_1280.jpg)
I'm really curious.

Also found what appears to be alternate 8-tans:
(http://25.media.tumblr.com/e3b3a0414f1d232c9d912f3be21c097e/tumblr_mn8cb0rg211qzrk6uo1_1280.jpg)
(http://25.media.tumblr.com/e4c7dd568dfcc5e5dd737e90373757b2/tumblr_mn8cb5k8xO1qzrk6uo1_1280.jpg)
They seem to be train related, a play on the UI's design style, Metro.

[/spoiler]
Title: Re: On Topic[less]
Post by: Balrith on December 22, 2013, 07:15:52 pm
Quote from: DustiiWolf on December 22, 2013, 05:49:05 pm
[spoiler=Topic Change]
To change the topic, anyone know who this is:
(https://31.media.tumblr.com/1af812ec41ea1d2f93829509e328756e/tumblr_msl5zuYD4V1sp4ql3o1_500.jpg)
Shes in the #os娘 tag on tumblr. Here's a comic of her:
(http://24.media.tumblr.com/6d244348b6f3c16a5200572c97cdddc8/tumblr_mpomw7xrHQ1sp4ql3o1_1280.jpg)
I'm really curious.

Also found what appears to be alternate 8-tans:
(http://25.media.tumblr.com/e3b3a0414f1d232c9d912f3be21c097e/tumblr_mn8cb0rg211qzrk6uo1_1280.jpg)
(http://25.media.tumblr.com/e4c7dd568dfcc5e5dd737e90373757b2/tumblr_mn8cb5k8xO1qzrk6uo1_1280.jpg)
They seem to be train related, a play on the UI's design style, Metro.

[/spoiler]


Looks like an alternate Windows 7. Interesting.

http://www.pixiv.net/member.php?id=4927

http://www.pixiv.net/member_illust.php?mode=medium&illust_id=29835140
^ can we get somebody that reads moonrunes on this?


A few excerpts
(http://i.imgur.com/NYFiqjC.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/znuWcjf.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/pGCBWoH.jpg)
Title: Re: On Topic[less]
Post by: Chocofreak13 on December 22, 2013, 10:24:57 pm
yes, she's an alternate 7 that came out around the time nanami was created. dude, i'm pretty sure some of those photos are in the gallery. >>;

@balrith: [spoiler]i'm going off what I learned in art school and what I've seen in every comic/anime ever thus far. the fact of the matter is, when you have a character with black hair, 9 times out of 10 that's what you're doing. also,
purple
(http://static2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20110221080651/sailormoonenglishanime/images/e/e0/SailorMars45.gif)
is
(http://31.media.tumblr.com/c9e221688c12bd3b639e2fdc51716640/tumblr_mv2nj6Kq7Y1rejibwo2_250.gif)
not
(http://25.media.tumblr.com/ae4566d7d99b26577900084e732a0ec3/tumblr_mnkx2wTyGj1rejibwo1_250.gif)
uncommon.
(http://i41.tinypic.com/o0ylpt.png)
it's just a bit vintage by now.

if you want more references, have a look at this tumblr I found.
http://blackhairanime.tumblr.com [/spoiler]
Title: Re: On Topic[less]
Post by: Balrith on December 23, 2013, 12:29:29 am
[spoiler]
Quote from: Chocofreak13 on December 22, 2013, 10:24:57 pm
purple
(http://static2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20110221080651/sailormoonenglishanime/images/e/e0/SailorMars45.gif)
is
(http://31.media.tumblr.com/c9e221688c12bd3b639e2fdc51716640/tumblr_mv2nj6Kq7Y1rejibwo2_250.gif)
not
(http://25.media.tumblr.com/ae4566d7d99b26577900084e732a0ec3/tumblr_mnkx2wTyGj1rejibwo1_250.gif)
uncommon.
(http://i41.tinypic.com/o0ylpt.png)
it's just a bit vintage by now.

Yes of course everybody knows that. I didn't think it even bore mentioning.

Quote from: Balrith on December 22, 2013, 03:29:10 pm
Besides, what is the norm? You've already allowed for purple highlights and that is fairly stylistic. Just because something is less commonly used doesn't make it less valid.
Even if using other colors as the highlight isn't the norm, if it looks right, then the rule that black hair can only have white, blue, or purple highlights isn't absolute. Instead it might just mean just that white, blue, or purple are the the only highlight colors for black hair for the small subset of lighting conditions that the average artist draws.


^What I said there was that the norm (blue, white, and purple) is the correct choice for most lighting situations that the average artist encounters.
Neutral white and blue lighting/normal daylight will probably make the highlights blue, white, or purple. Sunset-like lighting can easily push the highlight color towards purple. All three colors work pretty well for nighttime purplish or blue lighting as well. I don't however, think that these three colors are the only colors that are ever right for any lighting with black hair.
What about different colored lighting than the norm? What if it's a place with a grungy green lighting like the lighting around Dead Master?
Quote from: Chocofreak13 on December 21, 2013, 02:15:19 pm
highlights on black hair never change. other colours may show up differently in different coloured light, but black's highlights are always either white, blue, or purple (in the case of anime). anything else looks awkward.


An example of yellow highlights from the tumblr you provided:
(http://24.media.tumblr.com/1d3b5af89927919b17edb1e2c0a93da2/tumblr_mww598AMkj1qbvovho1_500.gif)


Purple highlights in pictures like the Izumo you picked make the hair look like black/[purple]. Why is that different from Dead Master's green tinged hair? Especially when the lighting doesn't even match as well as the Dead Master picture. Just because the yellow green lighting is less commonly used/encountered and as a result harder to pull off doesn't make it less valid.


As a sidenote, actual anime is generally not the place you want to go for art and coloring advice. The animators need to pump out an episode each week and as a result, the coloring and art is usually the bare minimum. Of course I'm not saying that the animators are bad artists. Far from it. Illustrators and fanartists can make work of much higher quality but a big part of that is because they've got the advantage of time on their side.

That said, average quality of kyoani in particular is pretty decent.

edit: forgot to spoiler it.
[/spoiler]
Title: Re: On Topic[less]
Post by: Chocofreak13 on December 23, 2013, 02:49:17 am
[spoiler]you say not to take advice from anime, and yet you admit that you're still getting used to colouring. so i'm not inclined to take the advice of someone who keeps debating me, either. ^^╬

tbh the pic you posted looks more like white to me, with the slightest tinge of yellow.

unless you're going out of your way to draw super-weirdly lighted places (like the planet of neon red lights or something), it's not what you'd *typically* do. also, by saying that purple was "fairly stylistic" you opened up the train of thought that it wasn't a colour one would normally encounter in this situation. I was countering that statement with my examples. by the way,

Quote from: Balrith on December 22, 2013, 03:29:10 pm
[spoiler]Just because something is less commonly used doesn't make it less valid.
[/spoiler]


I never said this. I said it wasn't what one would normally encounter. don't put words in my mouth.

I don't even know why we're debating this anymore, all it's really doing is serving to make me madder. I was initially offering advice to dustii, given you said that you were just getting started with colour. I've been colouring for years, and I was stating what had worked for me for all this time. evidently i'm not a good enough artist to make anything other than those colours work, but considering that was also the statement made by my PROFESSIONAL ARTIST TEACHER, I really don't mind.

i'ma take a break now. this is making me frustrated and I've had a bad enough day.[/spoiler]
Title: Re: On Topic[less]
Post by: DustiiWolf on December 23, 2013, 11:33:45 am
[spoiler]"Girls. Girls. You're both pretty." can we get back on topic now?[/spoiler]
Title: Re: On Topic[less]
Post by: Chocofreak13 on December 23, 2013, 12:35:43 pm
[spoiler]well, we need a topic to discuss. anything in mind?[/spoiler]
Title: Re: On Topic[less]
Post by: DustiiWolf on December 23, 2013, 06:41:02 pm
(http://i.imgur.com/JjMsqUU.png)
Anyone know who she represents? She was introduced in the Cloud Girl web comic.

BTW, Microsoft's at comiket. They went last year and they're going again this year.

Inori Aizawa: Comiket (http://magical-girl-ie.tumblr.com/post/70945089240/im-really-excited-to-be-attending-comiket-85-with)
Windows Navi+ Comiket 2013 (http://www.windows-naviplus.jp/event/2013_comiket/)
Title: Re: On Topic[less]
Post by: Balrith on December 23, 2013, 11:17:09 pm
[spoiler]
Missed the party while I was at work.

Try taking a color picker to the tumblr pic and this is the range of the colors you'll find in the highlights.
(http://img.ctrlv.in/img/52b8f0d42fd10.png)
(http://img.ctrlv.in/img/52b8f530891dd.png)
Not really saying anything here. Just for the sake of clarity.

My opinion was that stylized doesn't necessarily equal less common when it's relative to other stylistic choices that fall under a single style. Anime style as a whole is a stylized way of representing reality. I'd considered styles that fell under the anime style to be anchored to this central "way" that things should be drawn. These styles are then differentiated from each other depending on their stylistic quirks. Some of these quirks are common, some are not. In the end though, these styles all answered to this central "culture" and their purpose as a stylization of reality. (Sorry for all the quotation marks. I'm finding it hard to come up with proper words for these concepts.) Purple black hair is a common stylistic choice in the anime style. In real life it would just be dark purple hair.
I was just saying green black hair is the same concept.

I hadn't considered that you could take the whole of the anime style and it's most common stylistic characteristics and sort of anchor that as "reality" or rather the "way things should be" and then count deviations from this median as stylizations.
It's an interesting idea.

Quote from: Chocofreak13 on December 23, 2013, 02:49:17 am
I never said this. I said it wasn't what one would normally encounter. don't put words in my mouth.

I guess you meant the words "never" and "always" loosely.
Fair enough. Just wanted to make sure that was clear. We've been more or less on the same page about this for a few posts already anyways.


Choco I know you found this whole conversation annoying, and I'm sorry for that. Likewise, there were times when I got frustrated that my ideas didn't seem to be reaching you. But, on the whole, I did enjoy thinking through these topics with you.

Alright that's it. Nothing more from me on this subject.
[/spoiler]
Title: Re: On Topic[less]
Post by: Chocofreak13 on December 24, 2013, 02:25:55 am
.......*flips table*ragequits*
[spoiler] you said I claimed something was LESS VALID just because it was less common. I NEVER FUCKING said that. I just said it was LESS COMMON and thus not the NORM, which is what I was describing for reference for DUSTII, who was saying that he wanted protips on drawing/colouring, something I have experience in. LOOK AT THE TUMBLR. 9 times out of 10 you're going to encounter one of those colours, so to avoid confusing him, and GOING OFF THE WORD OF MY ART SCHOOL PROFESSOR, WHO HAS BEEN DOING THIS LONGER THAN ALL THREE OF US COMBINED, those are the colours you will use when doing someone with black hair. we ALL know anime tends to break the mould a bit when it comes to style choices, but for someone who doesn't use that colour ALL THE DAMN TIME, it makes more sense to stick to the colour that you KNOW is going to come out okay, rather than go off the deep end and risk it looking like you spread mustard in the character's hair.

I want you to know that you now frustrate me to no end and you have made this topic significantly less enjoyable for me by dragging this out. we're never going to agree on this and I get the feeling we may have caused dustii to regret bringing up the topic. now, at the risk of looking like an asshole, i'm going to walk out of here. when I see your face now I'm going to remember this and grind my teeth. [/spoiler]


@dustii: her name is Ruri, and represents Windows Naviplus. she's really new, so I don't know anything more than that. no idea if she's a Madobe, an Aizawa, or someone else (given that she was hanging out with Claudia, Nanami, and the twins in the picture I have, i'd assume Madobe).
Title: Re: On Topic[less]
Post by: DustiiWolf on December 24, 2013, 01:32:07 pm
Quote from: Chocofreak13 on December 24, 2013, 02:25:55 am
her name is Ruri, and represents Windows Naviplus. she's really new, so I don't know anything more than that. no idea if she's a Madobe, an Aizawa, or someone else (given that she was hanging out with Claudia, Nanami, and the twins in the picture I have, i'd assume Madobe).


Thank you. I don't quite understand yet what Naviplus is, but thanks.

Theres new theme packs, but i cant find them online yet. MS released a windows 8.1 dsp commemorative edition, which has wallpapers with Nanami, Yuu, Ai, and Claudia together, and sounds with ALL of them together....
Title: Re: On Topic[less]
Post by: stewartsage on December 24, 2013, 08:25:02 pm
So why does everyone spoiler text everything now?

Cathedral of Learning
Jersey Shore, Pittsburgh
9:00 AM - 3/14/69

"They're out there PIL... they may not know we are, but we know they are," the speaker, hidden from the casual observer's view by the bright sunlight streaming through the window.  The office was typical of those dedicated to the relatively new Computer Science Department of the University of Pittsburgh.  This one looked as if it belonged to a traditionalist; walls lined with bookshelves, floors stacked with books, boxes of keypunch cards supported stacks of print outs that absorbed the magnificent glow (so imagined) off of framed diplomas.  Speaking again, the short blond leaned forward, closer to her listener, "I don't trust TSS/360 to carry our messages to the outside.  She's just doesn't have the right, voice, that we need right now."

"What do you suggest m'am?" he asks quietly, the sun glinting off his corrective lenses, "The IBMs are a dead end... they may tolerate us, but they are still IBM..."  The pause hangs as they both let that simple, obvious statement settle.  Chairs creak reluctantly as the two shift position closer still together.  A tousled blond mop appears close over the desk, framed in the radiant yellow glow of the sun.  Her fingers spread wide on the desktop, PTSS' teeth are a visible white arc on her obscured face, "Simple PIL, we bring the war to them."
Title: Re: On Topic[less]
Post by: Bella on December 24, 2013, 09:41:36 pm
PTSS-TAN MATERIAL?! THIS IS A CHRISTMAS MIRACLE! : O
(Also I wouldn't trust TSS/360-tan to do anything that isn't directly involved with experimental computing, attempting to outdo Multics or dying.)

I'm working on a post on Plan 9-tan but this has distracted me from my writing. :>
Title: Re: On Topic[less]
Post by: Chocofreak13 on December 25, 2013, 12:58:53 am
*is tempted to post but doesn't want to spoil stuff*
Title: Re: On Topic[less]
Post by: DustiiWolf on January 29, 2014, 11:52:46 pm
Well, nanami is useful, still. Her facebook posted links to the Windows 8.1 DSP AKIHABARA themepacks. However, they're on mega, and with my folder setup, the files download supposedly, but are no where to be found. I know its "secure" but couldn't they just give the option for an unsecure regular download vs. HTML5 writing to the storage in a predefined unknown location? :\

Could someone download them and reupload them somewhere else, like dropbox, skydrive, or box?

http://bit.ly/Ht8DP8 (http://bit.ly/Ht8DP8) - DSP Extras ZIP
https://mega.co.nz/#!jpZkCIob!WcD0nWmG6HhBsTQknH3nL0ZmFxBHPNm5IxCAf55GeCE (https://mega.co.nz/#!jpZkCIob!WcD0nWmG6HhBsTQknH3nL0ZmFxBHPNm5IxCAf55GeCE) - Windows 7 Claudia Themepack
https://mega.co.nz/#!S4gH2LwJ!Ggj8OipIBAAhh1cfnFuqJgypi8ZiKozfa3LifKWyNa8 (https://mega.co.nz/#!S4gH2LwJ!Ggj8OipIBAAhh1cfnFuqJgypi8ZiKozfa3LifKWyNa8) - Windows 8 Claudia Themepack
https://mega.co.nz/#!zwZ3mZZb!R2C9kmztE4G8rjRd7ba_-gOKq3ghyA40-gajr68E0Yc (https://mega.co.nz/#!zwZ3mZZb!R2C9kmztE4G8rjRd7ba_-gOKq3ghyA40-gajr68E0Yc) - Windows 8 Claudia Themepack + Mouse
Title: Re: On Topic[less]
Post by: Krizonar on January 30, 2014, 01:32:29 am
I dislike mega. Only one browser works correctly on the site and that's Chrome. They didn't even bother to code it properly for other browsers that have just as powerful HTML5 support, such as Safari, Firefox or Internet Explorer 11.

I downloaded them and turned them into a zip file. I'll send it to you on skype.
Title: Re: On Topic[less]
Post by: NejinOniwa on January 30, 2014, 01:44:42 am
Mega is most definitely the fastest though. And i have little to no problems on firefox with it, and they do have an extension for those who have.
Title: Re: On Topic[less]
Post by: Chocofreak13 on January 30, 2014, 09:45:28 am
curious, is it what remains of megaupload?

because damn, I miss that site.
Title: Re: On Topic[less]
Post by: DustiiWolf on January 30, 2014, 01:25:29 pm
Sorta. Its a successor from its creator, Kim Dotcom. It is HTML5 based and is supposedly uber secure (you have to move your mouse sporadically when you sign up to generate an rsa key, somehow). It works like dropbox  or SkyDrive, as far as usage goes.

However, its method of downloading sucks. Instead of, I don't know, using a customized secure connection via HTTPS to initiate the download, they opted to have an HTML5 page use a series of scripts to initiate a secure connection, then have it proceed to write the data byte by byte to an undisclosed location on the disk via HTML5, which varies by computer on top of that. Furthermore, browsers like Safari and even IE11 get their files lost in cyberspace for most people because even though it reports the download complete, the file is no where to be found. It seems to be using non-standard, browser biased code, which makes for a very poor site

but I digress.

Hey Krizonar, thanks for compressing and trying to send me some of the theme packs the other night, but would it be possible for you to upload them somewhere? IDK if I'll be on Skype the same time as you any time soon. :\
Title: Re: On Topic[less]
Post by: Chocofreak13 on January 30, 2014, 01:54:19 pm
I don't like how you implied that Nanami has been rendered useless. >>;
Title: Re: On Topic[less]
Post by: NejinOniwa on January 30, 2014, 07:34:51 pm
>2014
>using default web browsers
Stay pleb.
Title: Re: On Topic[less]
Post by: DustiiWolf on January 30, 2014, 08:13:25 pm
Quote from: NejinOniwa on January 30, 2014, 07:34:51 pm
>2014
>using default web browsers
Stay pleb.


Hey. Inori has redeemed herself. Meanwhile chrome is like the 'Borg'.

"You will be assimilated. Resistance is futile"

This joke is made further comical by the name of Google's mobile OS & Google Glass' appearance




Quote from: Chocofreak13 on January 30, 2014, 01:54:19 pm
I don't like how you implied that Nanami has been rendered useless. >>;


I meant it more personally, for me. She still has use in this world for many. Just not me personally.
Title: Re: On Topic[less]
Post by: Chocofreak13 on January 30, 2014, 09:05:40 pm
fair enough.

and while we're here, browsers as political parties. GO!!

Firefox = Democrat
Chrome = Republican
Opera = Communist
Tor = Anarchist
Safari = Socialist
IE = People who Don't Vote
Netscape = Green Party
Title: Re: On Topic[less]
Post by: Penti-chan on January 30, 2014, 09:10:54 pm
Lynx: A Wild Party (As formed by Alice Cooper -w-; )
NCSA Mosaic: The "Rent Is Too Damn High" Party
Title: Re: On Topic[less]
Post by: Chocofreak13 on January 30, 2014, 09:31:44 pm
Sea Monkey - Possible Pirate Party
Title: Re: On Topic[less]
Post by: DustiiWolf on January 30, 2014, 09:48:31 pm
Modern IE = Those who vote for whoever they feel do the job well/platform agnostic
Title: Re: On Topic[less]
Post by: Chocofreak13 on January 30, 2014, 10:08:09 pm
we already voted on IE, which ended up being that no one voted at all. >>;
Title: Re: On Topic[less]
Post by: DustiiWolf on January 30, 2014, 10:16:54 pm
Quote from: Chocofreak13 on January 30, 2014, 10:08:09 pm
we already voted on IE, which ended up being that no one voted at all. >>;


On the contrary, i speak of modern IE (the fancy touch version). I assumed you were referring to the "old" IE. (IE8-), and we in fact DIDN'T vote on if IE voted, so the verdict is still out if if it voted or not.
Title: Re: On Topic[less]
Post by: Chocofreak13 on January 30, 2014, 10:34:47 pm
I'm not making distinctions between versions here. it was a gag, the gag is dead now. thankyou. >>;
Title: Re: On Topic[less]
Post by: DustiiWolf on January 30, 2014, 10:35:30 pm
Quote from: Chocofreak13 on January 30, 2014, 10:34:47 pm
I'm not making distinctions between versions here. it was a gag, the gag is dead now. thankyou. >>;


You sure? We could always vote on it.
Title: Re: On Topic[less]
Post by: Krizonar on January 31, 2014, 05:21:53 am
I never voted, but I think the current parties are funny because you can see the relations!

You must admit the majority of people download another browser using IE or use it because they do not care, despite IE's  great recent performance not many people seem to trust it. AKA Nejin troll post.
Title: Re: On Topic[less]
Post by: NejinOniwa on January 31, 2014, 10:14:28 am
Quote from: DustiiWolf on January 30, 2014, 09:48:31 pm
Modern IE = Those who vote for whoever they feel do the job well/platform agnostic

Problem is, nobody does the job well.
Title: Re: On Topic[less]
Post by: Chocofreak13 on January 31, 2014, 10:34:16 am
yay~

my joy had been sucked out like life force is by a dementor

but you came back and put the smile back on my face~
Title: Re: On Topic[less]
Post by: DustiiWolf on January 31, 2014, 01:41:04 pm
Gome....nasai...
Title: Re: On Topic[less]
Post by: Simonorged on January 31, 2014, 02:04:22 pm
Parakeet buttsecks
Title: Re: On Topic[less]
Post by: Chocofreak13 on January 31, 2014, 08:43:28 pm
I'm having a tough time finding proper hair dye for my cosplay this year.

the local beauty supply store started selling Manic Panic sometime last year (MP is about the nicest stuff you can buy; they've been in business since the 80's making a whole line of punk beauty products, from dyes to makeup to nail polish) but they carry a limited range, so the only colours I can find that are the correct colour are too light.

to explain further, I am cosplaying as Lum Invader (http://images5.fanpop.com/image/photos/31700000/lum-invader-ranma-1-2-and-rumiko-takahashi-universe-31725785-1061-800.jpg) and Windows XP Home (http://ostan-collections.net/imeeji/albums/userpics/11618/OB1102655110342.jpg). as such, I need something between Teal and Grass Green so that I can pass for both characters. the beauty store has a wonderful darker teal that I was going to use, but I want to mix it with a dark green to offset it a bit.

at this point, though, the con is looking bleaker and bleaker as the date of the ball approaches and I don't even have a cosplay, let alone a ticket. >>;
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Post by: Bella on January 31, 2014, 11:07:51 pm
I wanna dye my hair forest green next spring / summer ... HAIR COLOR TWINS! : O
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Post by: Penti-chan on January 31, 2014, 11:09:53 pm
I'd love to dye my hair dark blue, but that's something I likely couldn't do until I move out :\
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Post by: Bella on January 31, 2014, 11:36:09 pm
I can see you with dark blue hair. -w-

In order, what I wanna do haircolor-wise:
-Dark green (specifically, MP Enchanted Forest, since I've read it works well on naturally dark hair)
-Dark purple (MP Purple Haze?)
-Brighter red (that would require lightening though, I haven't quite worked up the nerve to do that yet)
-Probably dark blue as well at some point

Though I really like being a "redhead". ^^
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Post by: DustiiWolf on February 01, 2014, 01:48:36 am
Who is this? She was in the 8.1 DSP theme...
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Post by: Chocofreak13 on February 01, 2014, 11:39:32 am
hell if I know but her funbags are huge. i'll investigate later on.


@genpop: I can help with hair dying~
I'm sort of concerned, though. do you guys think dark teal would be passable for Homeko? (in case I never get to headlines before the con.)
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Post by: Bella on February 01, 2014, 05:37:14 pm
Considering how widely depictions vary, I think dark teal would work for Homeko. I mean we've seen her with everything from neon green hair, to rich forest green, to almost black, some depictions lean more yellow-green and others have a blueish tint... anything in the green spectrum should work. :)
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Post by: Chocofreak13 on February 01, 2014, 05:44:14 pm
hm, alright then, maybe i'll just go with the dark teal then. :0
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Post by: DustiiWolf on February 02, 2014, 03:43:08 pm
Caved, got chrome portable (to avoid living with it), and got the themes.

Theyre nice... but i "tuned" them up a bit. Will upload later.
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Post by: Chocofreak13 on February 03, 2014, 02:00:25 pm
danke.
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Post by: NejinOniwa on February 03, 2014, 08:59:37 pm
Did someone say CAVED?
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Post by: DustiiWolf on February 03, 2014, 11:28:41 pm
Quote from: NejinOniwa on February 03, 2014, 08:59:37 pm
Did someone say CAVED?


Alright already. Yes, i has chrome... sorta.

I vowed never to install it, so i got Chrome Portable (http://www.chrome-portable.com/). AKA: I dont have to use it if i dont wanna. No google updater. No background processes. Etc... it just collects cyberdust in a lone folder.
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Post by: NejinOniwa on February 04, 2014, 02:44:50 am
(http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g239/NejinOniwa/707a8b6cd956084c350cbf0ff987b7b8_zpsb1ad3f71.jpg)
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Post by: Chocofreak13 on February 04, 2014, 06:34:48 am
lol, cyberdust.
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Post by: DustiiWolf on February 16, 2014, 10:20:58 pm
http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm10422919

Found a Troubled Windows Sakuranbo Kiss MMD-like video on NicoNico via Bing Video Search. Models aren't original, it looks, but still pretty good.
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Post by: DustiiWolf on February 19, 2014, 09:03:42 pm
Found a zip of the Windows 8(.1) DSP Akihabara Supplemental CD. Contains the Mir8cle Days song i was looking for, and loads of themes! (including Nanami Themes, you 7 users!) however, being Japanese themes, Windows seems not to want to install them. -_-* This means i'm going through the tedious process of rebuilding the themes myself. Ugh.

Will share some of the contents when i can, but for now, here is Mir8cle Days:




Mir8cle Days - Microsoft Onedrive (http://1drv.ms/1jJ5EQh)




EDIT: Fixed Broken Link
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Post by: Chocofreak13 on February 25, 2014, 10:08:56 am
cute video. i'll have to find a way to clone it to youtube so i can put it on my OS-tan playlist. (though i think ME-tan didn't fail NEARLY enough for it to be accurate. -w-; )

also, thanks for Mir8cle Days, but it's a video, lol. -w-;
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Post by: stewartsage on February 25, 2014, 01:17:29 pm
Post ponies in all the threads.

(http://i.imgur.com/XjQtOuj.png)
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Post by: Chocofreak13 on February 25, 2014, 09:36:58 pm
i lol'd.

but i'd like it better if there were others for the other Browser-tans, too. ;^;
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Post by: stewartsage on February 26, 2014, 04:59:13 pm
There are.  There's also another IE-tan.
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Post by: DustiiWolf on February 26, 2014, 05:20:09 pm
Quote from: Chocofreak13 on February 25, 2014, 10:08:56 am
also, thanks for Mir8cle Days, but it's a video, lol. -w-;


Wut? It's an m4a audio file? Direct from the DSP Mir8cle Days supplemental CD rip i found too.

Wish they'd create a full fledged OS-tan Anime with the Aizawa and Madobe families. They could even cameo some of the "classic" OS-tans.
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Post by: Chocofreak13 on February 28, 2014, 07:35:20 pm
actually, it's an .mp4.

cameo the "classic" os-tans, birch please. >>;

@stew: *flails in joy*
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Post by: Bella on March 01, 2014, 01:41:00 pm
#If it doesn't have vintage mainframe tans I won't care #swag #yolo #retrocomputation
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Post by: Krizonar on March 01, 2014, 01:53:50 pm
Quote from: Bella on March 01, 2014, 01:41:00 pm
#retrocomputation

#plotdevices
#timetravel
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Post by: Bella on March 01, 2014, 01:55:47 pm
Yessssss...... yes.

A timetraveling cat-girl is fine too. ;D
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Post by: DustiiWolf on March 01, 2014, 02:40:10 pm
Quote from: Chocofreak13 on February 28, 2014, 07:35:20 pm
actually, it's an .mp4.


Weird. Because last I checked it was an m4a. Perhaps Onedrive converted it. Either way, its still an audio (mp4 can be both a video and an audio format. MP4 audio is an AAC encoded audio, similar to m4a)

Quote from: Chocofreak13 on February 28, 2014, 07:35:20 pm
cameo the "classic" os-tans, birch please. >>;


What about spruce? Or maple? I do love a good mahogany.
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Post by: Krizonar on March 01, 2014, 02:51:06 pm
I forget what format it was in when I listened to it for a bit, but it was most definitely an audio file.
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Post by: DustiiWolf on March 01, 2014, 06:00:58 pm
It's m4a. See attached screenshot.

Also, updated the share link since it expired.
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Post by: DustiiWolf on March 07, 2014, 04:39:51 pm
Quote from: Chocofreak13 on December 24, 2013, 02:25:55 am
@dustii: her name is Ruri, and represents Windows Naviplus. she's really new, so I don't know anything more than that. no idea if she's a Madobe, an Aizawa, or someone else (given that she was hanging out with Claudia, Nanami, and the twins in the picture I have, i'd assume Madobe).


I've recently come to learn her last name is Azumi, and according to a commenter on Facebook, she represents Visual Studio (makes sense since she hangs with claudia all the time)
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Post by: Chocofreak13 on March 07, 2014, 04:42:37 pm
shit's getting too complicated in the os-tan family. -w-;
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Post by: DustiiWolf on March 07, 2014, 04:57:01 pm
Quote from: Chocofreak13 on March 07, 2014, 04:42:37 pm
shit's getting too complicated in the os-tan family. -w-;


It's Microsoft. What do you expect? :\
Helpful Friendly Table Time!




Microsoft families















AizawaWeb Class Software
Madobe  Operating System Class Software
AzumiDevelopmental Class Software
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Post by: Chocofreak13 on March 07, 2014, 10:39:01 pm
that was more rhetorical than anything else. i can keep the names straight, it's just getting to be a little much on their part. -w-;;
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Post by: DustiiWolf on March 07, 2014, 10:51:34 pm
Quote from: Chocofreak13 on March 07, 2014, 10:39:01 pm
that was more rhetorical than anything else. i can keep the names straight, it's just getting to be a little much on their part. -w-;;


Did you read teh hidden message?
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Post by: Chocofreak13 on March 08, 2014, 11:21:31 am
don't be cute. it's annoying since the only "hidden message" i gleaned from any of this is WoD and i doubt you have any idea what that is.
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Post by: DustiiWolf on March 08, 2014, 01:04:04 pm
Quote from: Chocofreak13 on March 08, 2014, 11:21:31 am
don't be cute. it's annoying since the only "hidden message" i gleaned from any of this is WoD and i doubt you have any idea what that is.


Ehhhh?!

Sorry. I was just trying to make things a bit more lighthearted, but clearly you didn't enjoy that; Though you know I was referring to my size-6 "alice-blue" subtext right? And no, I don't know what you mean.

Anyways, Microsoft isn't known for the simplistic. Even their "Modern UI", a supposedly simple interface, is complicated by unnecessary or unorthodox actions. Just saying.

Though I honestly don't find it all that complicated, the -tan situation, that is. At least as far as Microsoft.
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Post by: Chocofreak13 on March 08, 2014, 06:09:54 pm
ah, wait, i saw it. -w-;;

and i meant more because now they have 3. which seems like sort of a lot. >>;
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Post by: DustiiWolf on March 09, 2014, 02:24:34 pm
Inori just got bigger real.

Tumblr Post (http://magical-girl-ie.tumblr.com/post/79076149751/we-made-it-to-90-000-facebook-likes-thank-you-so)
Facebook Post (https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=553282561454155&set=a.463601077088971.1073741828.445940315521714&type=1&relevant_count=1)

(https://public.dm2301.livefilestore.com/y2pJ3E-GtExQxU1yPg2fGqVjgoq6nNehxFvA1P0fddh6wvzBbKPIDNhmBW72B4CaUiiDlFvTXzl2Mb1qAGc7Q2qlq-WZ3m3Y0i9sdPM2oleH0Q/inori_chibi_96dpi_3000x4000.png?psid=1)
(https://public.dm2302.livefilestore.com/y2p7j-Ko_TGRmgGuIoyUMSxFmu2zB7vgMQGynrJH1cvYr6H-azlSv7tYPCSO4ROzpCBc8X42t26DnvIrCOMtoqQiv2XJSldbr6YAjgFZtnVDYg/inori_normal_96dpi_3000x6500.png?psid=1)
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Post by: Chocofreak13 on March 09, 2014, 02:44:17 pm
i see.
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Post by: DustiiWolf on March 09, 2014, 03:50:49 pm
aw, I missed the chance to say she just got real. /pun
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Post by: Penti-chan on April 26, 2014, 11:03:54 pm
...So, while at work, I had a random thought earlier. Would any of the OS-tans have a love of disco or funk?

About the only one I could probably think of is Plan 9-tan, which is a maybe (Not sure if it's weird enough for her to like disco ^^; ). Any thoughts?
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Post by: Bella on April 27, 2014, 01:30:22 am
Considering how many OS-tans grew up during the heyday of disco and funk ... possibly quite a few.

TENEX jumps to mind, just because I imagine she'd have been pretty pop-culturally-aware during the 60s and 70s and kept up with the trends of the time. Probably PDP-8-tan ... and possibly PDP-11-tan, too. I dunno, as a whole I imagine the DEC-tans were pretty "current" and listened to a lot of music of the time ... and maybe the CDC-tans too? I can see some of the CDC-tans being into dance music, but they're not mine so I can't speak for them. (It seems a foregone conclusion they'd be into new wave, though! (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ufBYaYJAERc))

As for Plan 9-tan, I imagine she'd be into weird-ass electronic & experimental music ... which probably annoys Slackware-tan more than anything else, although I suppose they'd have enough common ground to be able to listen to things together and go out clubbing without too much disagreement. I can totally see them both being into IDM and glitch music. Haha.

Now you have me thinking about the musical tastes of other OS-tans ... >_>
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Post by: Penti-chan on April 27, 2014, 10:16:44 am
Cool. I was thinking PDP-11 and possibly other DEC-tans, but I wasn't sure

As far as other -tans I can  think of at the moment:
- Multics would probably be into classical music (Just seems to fit her personality and wardrobe for her to be into classical, at least to me)
- ME seems like she'd be a Vocaloid fan (Given the artwork of her and Miku hanging out)
- TRS-80 would be into...TRS-80 (As in, the electronic music group :P)
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Post by: winduko on April 28, 2014, 06:23:11 am
Finally, a time to let one of my headcanons get out into the open. :D

95 would like rock music, with her favourite flavour of rock music being hard rock. Her favourite band is the Rolling Stones, and her favourite song is Start me Up (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P0AJM6HMYjM).

She also likes Edie Brickell and Weezer, thanks to music videos found on the Windows 95 CD. Her favourite songs from those artists are Good Times and Buddy Holly respectively because of the aforementioned music videos.
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Post by: Penti-chan on April 28, 2014, 11:53:09 am
I honestly never thought about that; good idea :3
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Post by: Bella on April 28, 2014, 01:58:18 pm
@Winduko: More people with OS-tan music headcanons, I don't feel so alone now! (Also, if you want to talk OS-tan headcanons you have come to the right place. :D)

Buddy Holly is my favorite Weezer song so I approve of this...

@Pent: Classical definitely ran through my mind for Multics-tan. I don't know how involved she would have been in the pop culture of the time, but I can see her being a fan of 60s/70s psychedelic music ... call it a hunch. (She probably picked it up from ITS-tan.)

I can see ME-tan and the XPs being fans of Vocaloid, yeah. Somehow I think TRS-DOS-tan would find the music of TRS-80 BLASPHEMOUS, but I can totally see CoCo-tan being a fan. : o

All this talk of OS-tans and songs has me wondering: Do any of you have theme songs for OS-tans? (I do.)
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Post by: Penti-chan on April 28, 2014, 02:39:04 pm
You know, I never really thought much about that until you brought it up ^^;

I suppose I do relate 2k-tan to Meat Loaf's "Alive"; due to the planned ending to my story. As for the others to appear in my story, I might think of more later
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Post by: winduko on April 28, 2014, 05:09:28 pm
@Pent: Thank you. :)

@Bella: To be honest, I only had music headcanons for 95-tan because of the way Windows 95 was marketed, and it was relevant enough to what's going on. As for headcanons in general, I'll wait for an excuse to bring them up. xD
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Post by: stewartsage on April 29, 2014, 01:49:26 am
TRS-DOS grooves to the hardcore sounds of acapella Puritan hymns secretly recorded on wax cylinders.
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Post by: Chocofreak13 on April 29, 2014, 07:03:10 pm
i could see 2k being a fan of this (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i0lLbbX1ewk)
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Post by: Bella on April 30, 2014, 06:04:09 pm
@Kari: Nice song. ^^
@Stew: DARN TOOTIN'. (I feel like I'm the only one who remembers TRS-DOS tan is an insane Radio Shack zealot.)
@Winduko: Hmm well this is On Topic[less] so feel free to mention headcanons whenever you want ... there's no real theme here. -w-

As for theme songs, I have so many theme songs ... what's worse, I have theme songs for specific PAIRINGS, which makes me feel so dorky ... >///>

A few of them in no particular order:
-- Wild Sage (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_MaLJGYrjDw) for current-day!SAGE-tan. (THOSE LYRICS ARE SO SAGE, I CANNOT EVEN.)
-- A Reminder (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bXX_hoSmWNs) makes me think of Unix-tan & Linux-tan ... specifically, their relationship from the point of view of Unix. "If I get old, I will not give in, but if I do, remind me of this. Remind me that once I was free, once I was cool, once I was me ..."
-- Walking In My Shoes  (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aAm5O11kwyY)also makes me think of Unix-tan.
-- One Fine Morning (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pvVN_KRriTM) has become PDP-8 & LINC-tan's theme, for some reason.
-- Torukia (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sDIqjeHN_ds) is OpenVMS-tan's theme, as decreed by C-chan like 6 years ago.
-- Minute Waltz for PDP-1-tan! (Sadly I can only provide this Synthesia version (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4KFNDoy_tIc) as I am too lazy to hunt down the recording of an actual PDP-1 performing the Minute Waltz.)
-- True Love Waits (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v0cC-7J_wi8) makes me think of MTC-tan's relationship toward Whirlwind-tan ... sadly.
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Post by: Chocofreak13 on April 30, 2014, 06:32:01 pm
and "Blurred Lines" becomes Norton's theme song
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Post by: winduko on April 30, 2014, 08:05:00 pm
@Bella: You have a point. I'll probably only state random headcanons if this topic were to need bumping. xD

Or if they suddenly become relevant.

Quote from: Chocofreak13 on April 30, 2014, 06:32:01 pm
and "Blurred Lines" becomes Norton's theme song


And now I was just reminded of the bad things that Norton had done to one of the Windows-tans in my headcanon. Further elaboration isn't the kind of thing people want to see in a SFW thread though.
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Post by: Chocofreak13 on April 30, 2014, 09:25:06 pm
whatever you're picturing it's probably canon
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Post by: winduko on April 30, 2014, 09:27:36 pm
After giving it a few seconds, I decided that it was really likely to be canon.
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Post by: Chocofreak13 on April 30, 2014, 09:33:52 pm
if it's porn it's canon for the record
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Post by: winduko on April 30, 2014, 09:39:44 pm
Yeah. It's canon then.
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Post by: Penti-chan on April 30, 2014, 09:41:50 pm
@Winduko: I probably have an idea of them; given how Norton comes off as a mouthbreather

@Bella, Kari: Will listen to those songs later :3
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Post by: winduko on April 30, 2014, 09:56:30 pm
I think everyone here has some vague idea about them, to be honest.

It also kinda doubles for an explanation as for why he's a ghost. He's a ghost because he was killed by an overprotective older sister whom was upset about her younger sister being harmed in that way.
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Post by: Chocofreak13 on May 01, 2014, 05:44:23 am
eh, he's not a ghost in every depiction. actually, i think i've seen about half and half, lol.
and if the doujin i bought at the con this year has anything to say about it, he's after the older sisters, too. >>;;

@pent: don't track down Blurred Lines. in addition to being crappy music, it perpetuates rape culture and is just overall disgusting. makes my skin crawl and is good for nothing but crude jokes, such as here. >>;
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Post by: winduko on May 01, 2014, 06:22:01 am
I should clarify, that's why he's a ghost in my headcanon.

And that's rather nice. xD Though in my headcanon they'd be willing to pick a fight with him if they attempted to, but physical or verbal depends on the specific tan.

@Pent: Hence why I was reminded of that headcanon. And now I think a new one just sprung up under similar circumstances.

EDIT: I just came up with the finest headcanon I came up with.

Homeko can break the fourth wall.  And she ships us OSCers.
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Post by: Chocofreak13 on May 01, 2014, 07:43:57 am
i wouldn't doubt it. especially considering i'm cosplaying her as we speak.
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Post by: Penti-chan on May 01, 2014, 10:35:37 am
@Kari: Why the fuck would I listen to that song? I honestly want to stab the radio whenever it comes on >_>;;
(I was referring to the songs you and Bella linked to)

@Duko: So, Homeko is the OS-tan equivalent to Deadpool? I like
(Although, I wonder who she ships with me...if anyone)
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Post by: Chocofreak13 on May 01, 2014, 11:32:05 am
ah, fair enough. -w-

and here, have this:

ME - Deadpool
XP Pro - Superman
XP Home - Batman (and Homeo as Robin)
XPMCE - Hawkgirl
2k - Green Lantern
95 - Wonder Woman
3.1 - Spiderman (?)
Vista - Wolverine
Nanami - Flash
System 7.5-tan - Joker
Sonata - Poison Ivy
OSX-tan - Harley Quinn
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Post by: Penti-chan on May 01, 2014, 11:35:13 am
Niiice. Bella and I have an in-joke about OpenVMS-tan being like Batman; which has lead to jokes about having a young 2k-tan as Robin -w-
(She needs to make a drawing of those two together, in style of '60s Batman)
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Post by: Chocofreak13 on May 01, 2014, 11:37:53 am
xD

that'd be awesome. but i'm not understanding the correlation, was 2k based slightly off VMS?
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Post by: Penti-chan on May 01, 2014, 12:16:35 pm
Windows NT was based on OpenVMS, and we all know NT-tan is the mother of 2k-tan. So, 2k is technically a distant relative :3

In my stories, it's established that VMS took a young 2k under her wing for combat training; I haven't ironed out the full details as to why, beyond 2k reminding her of FreeVMS-tan (http://ostan-collections.net/wiki/index.php/FreeVMS), but I might eventually do that in a future short story.
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Post by: Chocofreak13 on May 01, 2014, 01:02:41 pm
NANANANANANANANANA VS-MAAAAAAAN
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Post by: winduko on May 01, 2014, 03:19:23 pm
@Pent: I guess? Dunno much about Deadpool to be honest.
She probably does ship you, and because it's Homeko we're talking about, it's probably with another guy on this forum.

Quote from: Chocofreak13 on May 01, 2014, 11:32:05 am
ah, fair enough. -w-

and here, have this:

ME - Deadpool
XP Pro - Superman
XP Home - Batman (and Homeo as Robin)
XPMCE - Hawkgirl
2k - Green Lantern
95 - Wonder Woman
3.1 - Spiderman (?)
Vista - Wolverine
Nanami - Flash
System 7.5-tan - Joker
Sonata - Poison Ivy
OSX-tan - Harley Quinn

inb4 "AU where Wonder Woman and the Joker are arch-enemies." /shot
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Post by: Penti-chan on May 01, 2014, 04:06:10 pm
Hope she at least pairs me with Stew, or maybe Bella since I can honestly go either way as far as gender >w>;
...or Kari <w<;;
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Post by: winduko on May 01, 2014, 05:35:31 pm
Your wish has been granted. Homeko now ships you in a threesome of some sort.
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Post by: Penti-chan on May 01, 2014, 06:10:38 pm
3-way cuddlepile with me, Bella, and Stew? Perfect! >:3

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Post by: winduko on May 01, 2014, 07:31:05 pm
Perfect for porning.

EDIT: I has inspirations now! :D :D :D

Headcanon dump time!

2k-tan doesn't care much for soda. She has a dislike for Mountain Dew (my favourite line of soda), and in particular the Code Red variety. Inu-T is similar, though her dislike is less. The reason for this is because the Code Red worm was named after the Code Red variety of Mountain Dew because the people who coined the name happened to be drinking it at the time. It affected primarily Windows NT 4.0 and Windows 2000, especially the latter, hence why 2k's dislike is greater.

95-tan is a huge fan of the show Friends. She particularly likes the characters Rachel and Chandler. Her favourite episode is "The One With Windows 95." Now, that episode I just mentioned is not a real episode. It's actually "code" for the Windows 95 video guide, which stars Jennifer Aniston and Matthew Perry, the actors for Rachel and Chandler respectively.

On a rather interesting note, Commodore Matthew Perry is the guy who is credited with pushing Japan to interact with other countries (particularly the US) some 14 years before the Meiji era, which is the era where 95-tan's clothing comes from. I could say that a young 95-tan somehow met with Matthew Perry, and it was a very very important moment for her.

The 9x-tans (meaning 95, 95 OSR2.1, 95 OSR2.5, 98, 98SE, and ME) are deathly afraid of radiation poisoning. This is because they are the OSes affected by the CIH virus, or the Chernobyl virus, as the anniversary of Chernobyl incident, April 26th, is when the virus activates.

The anniversaries of the release of an OS would be their birthday. Now, I would have tried to use beta dates and whatnot, but seeing as most people would celebrate the birthday of Windows 95 on August 24th, as well as it being pretty hard to find the very first specific dates for the beta, the earliest most could have gotten the OS (which means RTM dates for Windows-tans) would be a logical second choice.

There, I think I have enough headcanons for now. *phew*
Title: Re: On Topic[less]
Post by: stewartsage on May 01, 2014, 11:02:12 pm
Quote from: PentiumMMX on May 01, 2014, 06:10:38 pm
3-way cuddlepile with me, Bella, and Stew? Perfect! >:3


Quote from: PentiumMMX on May 01, 2014, 04:06:10 pm
Hope she at least pairs me with Stew, or maybe Bella since I can honestly go either way as far as gender >w>;
...or Kari <w<;;
Quote from: winduko on May 01, 2014, 05:35:31 pm
Your wish has been granted. Homeko now ships you in a threesome of some sort.


I usually don't like to take things too off-topic, especially in an on-topic thread, or make unecessarily brief replies. 

But no.

Just no.
Title: Re: On Topic[less]
Post by: winduko on May 02, 2014, 05:30:44 am
I don't see how your reply was unnecessary, to be honest. I feel that you're completely justified in your no. I'm sorry that I decided to have a fictional character ship you without your permission.

And I also aplogize if that last sentence sounds sarcastic, it really isn't. It's not easy to apologize for something this unusual on the internet. Dx

For everyone's sanity, I now declare that whom Homeko ships on this forum will be kept deliberately vague. It's because there are people here who will get wierded out, and, no worries, those wierded out will be left alone, but you don't need to tell me, as I'm keeping it vague, partially also because I don't know nor care about who she ships people here with, all I know and care about is that she does. I will admit that I should have done this to begin with, and to anyone who got wierded out, but didn't say anything, I'm sorry.

Edit: A headcanon just hit my head. NT-tan represents the earlier Windows NT servers, while Inu-T represents the early Windows NT Workstations.
Title: Re: On Topic[less]
Post by: Penti-chan on May 02, 2014, 10:16:47 am
I don't think he was offended or weirded out by it, but probably a good idea in case someone else takes it the wrong way
Title: Re: On Topic[less]
Post by: Bella on May 02, 2014, 12:58:38 pm
I don't think he was offended or weirded out so much as he was "I am already in a ship. With my girlfriend/waifu Bells. And that is THE OTP."

Though I do like the idea of Homeko being a mad shipper.
I think it would be funny if she crackpaired her various OS-tan colleagues ... XP Pro x OS X Tiger, Homeo x Hacchan, GNU HURD x Linux, OS/2 Warp x OS/360 ... I'm really not sure if she's aware enough to know who HURD or OS/360-tan are, but it's an amusing though nonetheless. 2K-tan would probably sideeye her so hard when she voiced enthusiasm for those pairings, because 2K-tan is The Voice Of Reason.

Quote from: winduko on May 01, 2014, 07:31:05 pm
The anniversaries of the release of an OS would be their birthday. Now, I would have tried to use beta dates and whatnot, but seeing as most people would celebrate the birthday of Windows 95 on August 24th, as well as it being pretty hard to find the very first specific dates for the beta, the earliest most could have gotten the OS (which means RTM dates for Windows-tans) would be a logical second choice.


This is more or less accepted, but you are correct that it's difficult to pin down birthdays for many OS-tans because the start date of their system is ambiguous. I generally use the date a system was initially developed as a birthdate, especially for older systems, since so many took YEARS to develop. For instance, I pin Multics-tan's birthday as 1963 or 64, either the beginning of Project MAC or the year that work began on building Multics. It wasn't finalized and shipped until 1969 - I count that year as the date of Multics-tan's debut.

Quote from: winduko on May 02, 2014, 05:30:44 am
Edit: A headcanon just hit my head. NT-tan represents the earlier Windows NT servers, while Inu-T represents the early Windows NT Workstations.


Not a bad idea.

As it stands, it's generally speculated that NT-tan represented NT up to version 3.x, and Inu-T represents v. 4.x and later. That's not far off.
Title: Re: On Topic[less]
Post by: Penti-chan on May 02, 2014, 01:19:33 pm
Quote from: Bella on May 02, 2014, 12:58:38 pm
Though I do like the idea of Homeko being a mad shipper.
I think it would be funny if she crackpaired her various OS-tan colleagues ... XP Pro x OS X Tiger, Homeo x Hacchan, GNU HURD x Linux, OS/2 Warp x OS/360 ... I'm really not sure if she's aware enough to know who HURD or OS/360-tan are, but it's an amusing though nonetheless. 2K-tan would probably sideeye her so hard when she voiced enthusiasm for those pairings, because 2K-tan is The Voice Of Reason.


It does raise the question if she ships any of the crackpairs I've come up with. IDK if she's know who Multics Whirlwind is, so Whirlwind x VMS might not be one she thinks of...but there's always PDP-11 and 2k (As hinted toward by a single quote in a short story I wrote a few weeks ago) -w-;

EDIT: Why did I say Multics. I meant Whirlwind ^^;;;
(New crackship maybe?)
Title: Re: On Topic[less]
Post by: winduko on May 02, 2014, 04:32:23 pm
Quote from: Bella on May 02, 2014, 12:58:38 pm
I don't think he was offended or weirded out so much as he was "I am already in a ship. With my girlfriend/waifu Bells. And that is THE OTP."


Oh. I didn't know that. xD Good to know.

Quote from: Bella on May 02, 2014, 12:58:38 pm
Though I do like the idea of Homeko being a mad shipper.
I think it would be funny if she crackpaired her various OS-tan colleagues ... XP Pro x OS X Tiger, Homeo x Hacchan, GNU HURD x Linux, OS/2 Warp x OS/360 ... I'm really not sure if she's aware enough to know who HURD or OS/360-tan are, but it's an amusing though nonetheless. 2K-tan would probably sideeye her so hard when she voiced enthusiasm for those pairings, because 2K-tan is The Voice Of Reason.


She has, and most notably the first two. She probably doesn't know who those two are, but if she did, then I'd bet she'd do some shipping. As for the first two pairings, she ships them very hard. Unfortunately, Hacchan is oblivious to a lot of things, so she probably sees Homeko as a rival of sorts. xD

2k probably does, again because she is The Voice Of Reason. xD

Quote from: Bella on May 02, 2014, 12:58:38 pm
This is more or less accepted, but you are correct that it's difficult to pin down birthdays for many OS-tans because the start date of their system is ambiguous. I generally use the date a system was initially developed as a birthdate, especially for older systems, since so many took YEARS to develop. For instance, I pin Multics-tan's birthday as 1963 or 64, either the beginning of Project MAC or the year that work began on building Multics. It wasn't finalized and shipped until 1969 - I count that year as the date of Multics-tan's debut.


I tried that, but it really didn't work out. I couldn't find a good amount of the dates I needed. I'm going to go back and try it again, however.

Quote from: PentiumMMX on May 02, 2014, 01:19:33 pm
It does raise the question if she ships any of the crackpairs I've come up with. IDK if she's know who Multics is, so Multics x VMS might not be one she thinks of...but there's always PDP-11 and 2k (As hinted toward by a single quote in a short story I wrote a few weeks ago) -w-;


I know I ship it, and Homeko probably ships it too. xDD

Edit because I have a tendency to forget stuff:

Quote from: Bella on May 02, 2014, 12:58:38 pm
Not a bad idea.

As it stands, it's generally speculated that NT-tan represented NT up to version 3.x, and Inu-T represents v. 4.x and later. That's not far off.


I honestly think that both of them represent NT from 3.x to 4.x, but NT-tan represents the servers while Inu-T represents the workstations more out of necessity for my OS-tan canon, as Inu-T is the natural homunculus of NT-tan. Any OS that can be a major server can transform a body part, often a limb, into a homunculus that represents a workstation. For NT-based Windows-tans and kuns, it is extremely dangerous, a reference to how most servers aren't Windows servers if memory serves, and the only Windows-tan that uses it regularly is NT-tan.
Title: Re: On Topic[less]
Post by: Bella on May 02, 2014, 09:51:42 pm
Interesting, I've never heard a theory like that before. I guess the Unices & Linuces might not be the only ones who reproduce via budding ... ehehe.
Title: Re: On Topic[less]
Post by: winduko on May 02, 2014, 10:50:27 pm
The only one who truly has budded is NT-tan, and at the cost of her left arm too. It's not a safe procedure for non-Unices/Linuces to say the least.

The only two times a non-server-tan has made a homunculus is when 95-tan has her right middle finger turn into CE-tan (long story within my headcanon, but meant to reference that CE is  Windows 95). I chose the middle finger because of CE's size, and the idea of having someone utilize the middle finger as a weapon of sorts greatly amused me; and when CE-tan herself made Mobile-tan. Neither are permanent (actually the homunculus, if it takes up a body part, is never really permanent, but NT-tan has her reasons to not have a left arm.

Basically, for non-Unices/Linuces, the homunculi thing is Body Horror.
Title: Re: On Topic[less]
Post by: Bella on May 03, 2014, 12:49:45 pm
Interesting. I myself have rather interesting (and mixed) ideas about OS-tan reproduction, so I really can't be one to judge.  ^^;

So I think Multics-tan is (was?) an avid absinthe drinker... this isn't actually my own headcanon but something a friend suggested and it kind of stuck in my mind.

It seems like something somebody of her impressive wealth, creativity and insanity would be into.

It also probably helped her take her mind off her shitty parent company making her life hell.
Title: Re: On Topic[less]
Post by: Penti-chan on May 03, 2014, 01:13:06 pm
Interesting. Somehow, I pictured Multics as being more into fine wines, but maybe she saves the absinthe for when nobody's around ^^;

I have headcanons involving Neptune and Odyssey; which I have mentioned in the past, but will go over again because I feel like it -w-

- Neptune was abandoned early in training, which has resulted in her becoming resentful toward other Windows-tans; especially 2k, whom she was supposed to graduate alongside
(The reason being that Neptune was intended to be Windows 2000 Home Edition, but it was scrapped after a few test builds, while Windows 2000 Professional made it to store shelves)

- Odyssey was abandoned even earlier than Neptune, although she was more confused than anything. However, 2k-kun saw her out on the streets and took her under his wing; caring for her like a sibling
(The reason being that Odyssey appears to have never making it past the drawing board; no test builds are known to exist. As for why 2k-kun, Odyssey does look like she could be his or 2k-tan's younger sister in most artwork I've seen, and I feel 2k-kun isn't represented enough in comparison to his twin)
Title: Re: On Topic[less]
Post by: Aurora Borealis on May 03, 2014, 01:31:32 pm
On OS-tan headcanons:

-I think that Plan 9-tan and Plan B-tan would both be into disco. I can also see Plan B-tan being into psychedelic music.
-Barbie Linux-tan would obviously like Barbie Girl. :P
-Apple ///-tan did start the fire!
-95 OSR 2.5-tan and Windows 97-tan are twin sisters. Both of them have brown hair and red eyes, and 95 OSR 2.5 was released in 1997. I think 97-tan would have been resentful because OSR 2.5 was favored over her, but they reconciled years later, while living as wanderers.
-OSR 2.5-tan left the Windows family shortly after OSR 2.1-tan did, and originally sought to look for her, but also look for 97-tan.
-Windows 3.1-tan lives a double life, since 3.1 still has some commercial use. She and DOS-tan are also the only members of the Windows Family who know of 3.2-tan's real connection to the Windows Family.
-Windows 3.2-tan is very good at melee combat, because she has lived as a wanderer for nearly her whole life, and fought against many malware-tans and bootleg OS-tans.
Title: Re: On Topic[less]
Post by: Bella on May 03, 2014, 01:38:34 pm
Quote from: PentiumMMX on May 03, 2014, 01:13:06 pm
Interesting. Somehow, I pictured Multics as being more into fine wines, but maybe she saves the absinthe for when nobody's around ^^;

I have headcanons involving Neptune and Odyssey; which I have mentioned in the past, but will go over again because I feel like it -w-

- Neptune was abandoned early in training, which has resulted in her becoming resentful toward other Windows-tans; especially 2k, whom she was supposed to graduate alongside
(The reason being that Neptune was intended to be Windows 2000 Home Edition, but it was scrapped after a few test builds, while Windows 2000 Professional made it to store shelves)

- Odyssey was abandoned even earlier than Neptune, although she was more confused than anything. However, 2k-kun saw her out on the streets and took her under his wing; caring for her like a sibling
(The reason being that Odyssey appears to have never making it past the drawing board; no test builds are known to exist. As for why 2k-kun, Odyssey does look like she could be his or 2k-tan's younger sister in most artwork I've seen, and I feel 2k-kun isn't represented enough in comparison to his twin)


She is an old-time Victorian Bohemian at heart, though. :D (Even if her parent company tried to stomp most of those inclinations out of her.)

For some reason I've always imagined Unix-tan as being into fine wines (which is kind of hilarious because she looks like a teenager) and Linux-tan favoring nice beers (along with many of her FOSS friends (http://c2.com/cgi/wiki?FreeAsInBeer)). Solaris and ITS are definitely coffee fiends ... I'm not sure who my  teetotaler are, but Tenex jumps to mind.

I remember your theory about Neptune but I'd forgotten the part about Odyssey. I really like the idea of 2K-kun befriending her, although I'm probably biased since 2K-kun is my favorite Windows-kun, and Odyssey-tan is one of my favorite Windows-tans. :)

Quote from: Aurora Borealis on May 03, 2014, 01:31:32 pm
On OS-tan headcanons:

-I think that Plan 9-tan and Plan B-tan would both be into disco. I can also see Plan B-tan being into psychedelic music.
-Barbie Linux-tan would obviously like Barbie Girl. :P
-Apple ///-tan did start the fire!
-95 OSR 2.5-tan and Windows 97-tan are twin sisters. Both of them have brown hair and red eyes, and 95 OSR 2.5 was released in 1997. I think 97-tan would have been resentful because OSR 2.5 was favored over her, but they reconciled years later, while living as wanderers.
-OSR 2.5-tan left the Windows family shortly after OSR 2.1-tan did, and originally sought to look for her, but also look for 97-tan.
-Windows 3.1-tan lives a double life, since 3.1 still has some commercial use. She and DOS-tan are also the only members of the Windows Family who know of 3.2-tan's real connection to the Windows Family.
-Windows 3.2-tan is very good at melee combat, because she has lived as a wanderer for nearly her whole life, and fought against many malware-tans and bootleg OS-tans.


I remember your theory about Windows 3.1-tan still making a living despite being purportedly retired! I had no idea OSR 2.5-tan and 97-tan were closely related; interesting ...
Title: Re: On Topic[less]
Post by: winduko on May 03, 2014, 01:56:37 pm
Quote from: Bella on May 03, 2014, 12:49:45 pm
Interesting. I myself have rather interesting (and mixed) ideas about OS-tan reproduction, so I really can't be one to judge.  ^^;


Actually, how OS-tan reproduction works in my headcanon is simple, yet complicated. In the universe that I'm constructing, OS-tans are humans, and humans have special abilities. The OS-tans are just the most powerful.

The three methods are reproduction are: Heterosexual reproduction, Homosexual reproduction, and Asexual reproduction.

Heterosexual reproduction is self-explanatory.

Homosexual reproduction can be classified in two groups: masculine reproduction and feminine reproduction. The former can be further classified as dumasculine reproduction and trimasculine reproduction, depending on the gender of whomever provides the magic to allow the males to reproduce, as male reproduction, without magic to help the genetics, could potentially result in a baby with YY gender, and therefore unable to live. Feminine reproduction can be done on its own without much magical influence thanks to the nature of female reproduction unless the couple really wanted a boy.

Asexual reproduction refers to the creation of homunculi. Homunculi are seperated into three groups, Unix-based homunculi, Linux-based homunculi, and Limb-based homunculi. The former two are different only by the ancestor of the homunculi, and are not mutually exclusive. In fact, if Unix-tan and Linux-tan were to reproduce (or a Linux-based homunculi and a Unix-based homunculi reproduced), it could eventually result in a mixture of the two kinds of homunculi. Non-Unices/Linuces cannot reproduce in this way.

Limb-based homunculi, on the other hand, are a completely different thing, and are only grouped together due to the fact that they're sapient asexually-reproduced beings. They're more of an attack than actual reproduction, but because of the existence of a -tan that was created this way and has been returned into the limb it was in years (Inu-T), it is still a reasonable, if not very painful, method of reproduction. It was thought only to be similar to the other kinds of asexual reproduction in that only a certain kind of -tan can do it (in this case VMS/Windows NT), but it was disproven a long time ago by 95-tan, and it's thought that it's possible for any non-Unix/Linux to do.

Quote from: PentiumMMX on May 03, 2014, 01:13:06 pm
Interesting. Somehow, I pictured Multics as being more into fine wines, but maybe she saves the absinthe for when nobody's around ^^;

I have headcanons involving Neptune and Odyssey; which I have mentioned in the past, but will go over again because I feel like it -w-

- Neptune was abandoned early in training, which has resulted in her becoming resentful toward other Windows-tans; especially 2k, whom she was supposed to graduate alongside
(The reason being that Neptune was intended to be Windows 2000 Home Edition, but it was scrapped after a few test builds, while Windows 2000 Professional made it to store shelves)

- Odyssey was abandoned even earlier than Neptune, although she was more confused than anything. However, 2k-kun saw her out on the streets and took her under his wing; caring for her like a sibling
(The reason being that Odyssey appears to have never making it past the drawing board; no test builds are known to exist. As for why 2k-kun, Odyssey does look like she could be his or 2k-tan's younger sister in most artwork I've seen, and I feel 2k-kun isn't represented enough in comparison to his twin)


I have headcanons about Neptune and Odyssey, but that's as similar as it gets.

Neptune-tan was 2k's identical twin sister who was thought to have died at a fairly young age. She actually didn't, but in a world where Neptune-tan didn't have the potential death thing happen, she's not only the alternate Neptune-tan, but also the alternate Homeko. The alternate ME-tan was thought to have died, and like the Neptune of the primary universe, really didn't die.

Odyssey-tan herself doesn't exist in the main universe, but in the same alternate universe where Neptune-tan is still alive, she's the alternate Saseko and Vistan, the latter being a reference to Odyssey, if it were to have became a product, becoming Windows NT 6.0, which is Vista's edition number.

Quote from: Aurora Borealis on May 03, 2014, 01:31:32 pm
-95 OSR 2.5-tan and Windows 97-tan are twin sisters. Both of them have brown hair and red eyes, and 95 OSR 2.5 was released in 1997. I think 97-tan would have been resentful because OSR 2.5 was favored over her, but they reconciled years later, while living as wanderers.
-OSR 2.5-tan left the Windows family shortly after OSR 2.1-tan did, and originally sought to look for her, but also look for 97-tan.


Interesting. On a related note, in my headcanon OSR 2.1-tan is the same tan as Nashville/Windows 96-tan, as a reference to Nashville/Windows 96's features going into Windows 95 OSR2.x.

I really like the idea of OSR 2.5-tan and 97-tan being twin sisters though. Within my headcanon, they are Detroit-tan and Memphis-tan respectively. Normally a beta OS-tan wouldn't have its own -tan, but considering that's what 97-tan is, it'd make sense that she's Memphis-tan rather than either 98-tan or SE-tan.
Title: Re: On Topic[less]
Post by: Bella on May 03, 2014, 02:47:40 pm
My interpretation of what OS-tans are follows closely with the traditional interpretations outlined by C-chan, Aurora, StewartSage, Nejin et. al.; computer-tans are humanoid (though distinctly NOT human) beings who have powers of data manipulation. They're split up into classifications of hardware, software and OS-tan, with OS-tans being the most magically-powerful and least connected to the rules of the physical universe as we know them.

As for reproduction -- I imagine they can reproduce with any number of parents, ranging from one to two or more. They don't leave much to chance, and most of their offspring are heavily genetically-engineered using whatever the hell magitech they have available.

I imagine Back In The Day OS-tans often reproduced the old fashioned way (http://bellacielo.deviantart.com/art/MagicalOS-tanScienceKids-Part-II-441033652) (frankly, it doesn't seem a bad analogy for the slow and stupidly-impractical development process of Iron Age computers, though I admit my fondness for fempreg/Lesbian Science Babies may've shaded my opinions as well), although the ever-pragmatic Unices were the first to pioneer growing offspring (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/UterineReplicator), something that allowed them to reproduce exponentially and essentially take over the whole damned market. The Linuces kicked this up a notch by making their source code (basically, their gene sequence) freely available, meaning that anyone could "craft" offspring anywhere with essentially no intervention from the parent/donor/whatever. No clue how other modern -tan bloodlines reproduce, though I imagine they probably would have taken cues from the Unices.
Title: Re: On Topic[less]
Post by: Penti-chan on May 03, 2014, 02:54:23 pm
@Duko: Oddly enough, in the universe of my stories, ME-tan died; although in this case it was at the hands of Neptune, who was at that point known only by the alias of "The Reaper" (That being shown as a flashback; to give some background on 2k's previous encounter with the Reaper).

As for how the universe works in my stories, the OS-tans live in a different dimension, and everyone is human-like but some have special abilities. The idea takes a few cues from ReBoot (A TV series I loved as a kid); where the computer programs are portrayed as people going about their daily lives.

On the subject of reproduction, I've never really thought of how it'd work...or what would happen if 2k ended up pregnant in my story, since she's with an ordinary human; would it result in some kind of monster like the lizard-baby from V (Both the '85 and '09 series), or something fairly normal barring the enhanced strength like Gohan in Dragon Ball Z?
Title: Re: On Topic[less]
Post by: winduko on May 03, 2014, 06:50:04 pm
Quote from: Bella on May 03, 2014, 02:47:40 pm
My interpretation of what OS-tans are follows closely with the traditional interpretations outlined by C-chan, Aurora, StewartSage, Nejin et. al.; computer-tans are humanoid (though distinctly NOT human) beings who have powers of data manipulation. They're split up into classifications of hardware, software and OS-tan, with OS-tans being the most magically-powerful and least connected to the rules of the physical universe as we know them.


Meanwhile, while they might not be what we consider Homo Sapiens, in their universe, they're definitely considered to be human, alongside the other humans of that world. Computer-tans are some of the most powerful humans, with the OS-tans at the very top, pretty much all humans have magic.

What you say is interesting in a good way, just not what works for my headcanon.

On an unrelated note, the data manipulation thing reminds me of Haruhi Suzumiya, and more specifically the Data Integration Thought Entity, as that's what the Humanoid Interfaces from there do.

Quote from: Bella on May 03, 2014, 02:47:40 pm
As for reproduction -- I imagine they can reproduce with any number of parents, ranging from one to two or more. They don't leave much to chance, and most of their offspring are heavily genetically-engineered using whatever the hell magitech they have available.


Humans can reproduce with as many parents as well, with a number of two to four parents being common for non Unices/Linuces. They do tend to leave more to chance, though, as while there is magic to change genetics, therefore genetic engineering is possible, the only common genetic engineering spell is the one that prevents two males from having a YY baby.

Quote from: PentiumMMX on May 03, 2014, 02:54:23 pm
@Duko: Oddly enough, in the universe of my stories, ME-tan died; although in this case it was at the hands of Neptune, who was at that point known only by the alias of "The Reaper" (That being shown as a flashback; to give some background on 2k's previous encounter with the Reaper).


In the main universe, the plot of the story I'm writing kicks off with ME-tan's death. Not at the hands of Neptune, but Neptune didn't really help.

Quote from: PentiumMMX on May 03, 2014, 02:54:23 pm
As for how the universe works in my stories, the OS-tans live in a different dimension, and everyone is human-like but some have special abilities. The idea takes a few cues from ReBoot (A TV series I loved as a kid); where the computer programs are portrayed as people going about their daily lives.


It's close to how the universe works in my stories, except it doesn't focus on our dimension, and virutally everyone has special abilities. Never watched (or even heard of) ReBoot though.

Quote from: PentiumMMX on May 03, 2014, 02:54:23 pm
On the subject of reproduction, I've never really thought of how it'd work...or what would happen if 2k ended up pregnant in my story, since she's with an ordinary human; would it result in some kind of monster like the lizard-baby from V (Both the '85 and '09 series), or something fairly normal barring the enhanced strength like Gohan in Dragon Ball Z?


To be fair, I'm making this up as I go. That's part of the reason why it took me long to post. The main reason is that I was doing World of Warcraft as I made this post, though.

Title: Re: On Topic[less]
Post by: Penti-chan on May 03, 2014, 10:43:34 pm
You never know; it's possible I might go down that rabbit hole and find some explanation as to what would happen if 2k mated with a human. It'd likely be strictly a noncanon "what if?" story; as IDK how I'd go about working a child into the series as part of the main cast ^^;

Also, interesting how your story has ME-tan dying. In mine, truth be told I sometimes regret doing that, but at the same time, she had to die to give 2k the motivation to try and stop Neptune from killing her or other Windows-tans deemed "obsolete" (Without it, 2k doesn't really have anything to push her beyond "the plot says so").
Title: Re: On Topic[less]
Post by: winduko on May 03, 2014, 11:37:06 pm
Quote from: PentiumMMX on May 03, 2014, 10:43:34 pm
You never know; it's possible I might go down that rabbit hole and find some explanation as to what would happen if 2k mated with a human. It'd likely be strictly a noncanon "what if?" story; as IDK how I'd go about working a child into the series as part of the main cast ^^;


Well, Pizza-tan is a part of the main cast of my story, as Pizza-tan saved 2k's life.

Quote from: PentiumMMX on May 03, 2014, 10:43:34 pm
Also, interesting how your story has ME-tan dying. In mine, truth be told I sometimes regret doing that, but at the same time, she had to die to give 2k the motivation to try and stop Neptune from killing her or other Windows-tans deemed "obsolete" (Without it, 2k doesn't really have anything to push her beyond "the plot says so").


The story behind ME-tan's death in my story is this (spoilered due to mentions of suicide):

[spoiler]There were once two major factions, Windows and Mac. ME-tan and Mac OS9-kun decided to stop the war by secretly getting married then having a child together, as both of the main families of the factions put their families above anything else. It backfires, as they divorced (against their will) after the child was born, and the war becomes a custody battle over the kid.

ME-tan is then the subject of many assassination attempts by Windows loyalists that felt that ME-tan betrayed them. It doesn't help that she wasn't very trusted within her own faction for reasons beyond her control. 2k, considered to be a very trustworthy and moral member of the faction, was always on ME-tan's side, and was pretty much the main reason why ME-tan was even tolerated.

ME-tan became sick of the constant attempts on her life that she eventually decided to take her own. 2k was not happy about it to say the least. In fact, because of the fact that ME-tan reminded her of her own twin sister, 2k became depressed about it for quite a while, to the point where she too attempted to take her own life. That's how Pizza-tan enters the picture. Pizza-tan *don*s 2k, saving 2k's life, and gives 2k some of her lost hope.

Eventually, 2k resolves to be the heroine she once was to honour ME-tan and to make her happy when they next meet. [/spoiler]
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Post by: Penti-chan on May 04, 2014, 12:31:44 am
Established children are one thing, like Pizza-tan; as the group in my main story have two kids traveling with them. I meant incorporating the child of two of the main characters; as it just seems strange to me ^^;;

Also, that's interesting. As for how everything works out in my story... (spoiler'd due to, well, spoilers for my story)
[spoiler]Working under the shady President Ballmer, Neptune is an assassin who is sent on missions to track down and kill anyone who is deemed obsolete and refuses to come forward for execution. She is omnipresent; allowing her to easily find her target and confront them, no matter how far they run.

In 2006, ME-tan received the End of Life notice in the mail; signaling her to come forward for execution or face the consequences. She chose not to; instead opting to have 2k-tan train her for battle so she can at least go down fighting, to prove that she is still useful regardless of being considered "obsolete". Unfortunately, although she did hold her own against Neptune well, she ultimately died in that battle; 2k was there, forced to watch but powerless to intervene, as everything happened.

Come 2010, right after an adventure drew to a close, 2k received a rude awakening as she received her own EOL notice in the form of a device that was intended to turn her to stone, but unfortunately, an ordinary schoolboy whom was traveling with 2k activated it and he was turned to stone. In a moment of grief, she distanced herself from everyone and was going to merely wait around in the pouring rain for Neptune to find her, so nobody else would get hurt...but everyone tracked her down and helped her snap out of it; as she realized that she now has an opportunity to try and finish what ME started all those years ago; end Neptune's reign of terror and see to it that nobody else has to feel the same loss she did.

Also, as a note, while Neptune only targets Windows-tans who are deemed obsolete, she will go after anyone who knows too much about who she is; given that she operates under the alias of "The Reaper" and wears a helmet to hide her identity as Neptune is technically "dead" according to records. For this reason, OS9-tan is a target; as she did research into it in an effort to help 2k.[/spoiler]
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Post by: winduko on May 04, 2014, 12:58:20 am
That's true. OC children are really hard to do well. My friend actually attempted to do something similar. It didn't work, to say the least.

That's really interesting. :O

Thing that is spoilered due to spoilers for my to-be-published story:
[spoiler]Neptune is a major villain who does so because she felt abandoned by her family after her near-death experience, and she was one of the many former Windows members that was found by Cairo-tan, her older sister who ran away for spoilers so great that they couldn't be put in these spoiler tags.[/spoiler]
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Post by: Cockleshell on May 04, 2014, 09:23:25 am
Guys, you're incredible. This needs to be made into a full-length novel.
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Post by: winduko on May 04, 2014, 09:42:26 am
Funny you should mention that. I'm torn between making my story into a webnovel or a webcomic, to be honest. Either way, it's fanfiction.
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Post by: Penti-chan on May 04, 2014, 10:02:23 am
Mine's being posted on my DeviantArt; currently up to chapter 9 -w-
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Post by: winduko on May 04, 2014, 10:39:35 am
I found a freaky coincidence in Chapter 6. o.o

Spoilers for both my story and Pent's story:
[spoiler]2k-tan/Mac OS9-tan was/is/will be canon in my story as well. It doesn't start off that way, as both feel at the beginning that such a relationship would be very dangerous (and they both are very aware, Sonata's twin brother and 2k's best friend were the ones involved after all), but as a show of character development, they do enter a relationship. It helps that Homeko is the annoying sidekick to 2k that she is in my story, however.[/spoiler]
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Post by: Penti-chan on May 04, 2014, 11:24:59 am
Nice :3
I intend to write a prequel story, which details the time the two were together, but I haven't gotten around to it -w-;
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Post by: winduko on May 04, 2014, 11:37:00 am
I'd love to read it when you do get around to it. It's nice to see someone who ships a same pairing. xD
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Post by: Bella on May 04, 2014, 01:09:31 pm
Quote from: winduko on May 03, 2014, 06:50:04 pm
Meanwhile, while they might not be what we consider Homo Sapiens, in their universe, they're definitely considered to be human, alongside the other humans of that world. Computer-tans are some of the most powerful humans, with the OS-tans at the very top, pretty much all humans have magic. ......


Interesting. In my story universe (and Stew's - insofar as I can tell) humans are pretty much normal. In fact, our timeline of events seems about the same as that of the real world; the only difference is the inclusion of personified computers. Nej's seems to run in the same vein, although - if memory serves right - there are indeed a few humans who can manipulate OS-tan type magic. Although they're supposed to be vanishingly rare, highly skilled and by no means the norm (think, like, top-level computer hackers).

Although I've touched on the nature of computer-tans in my stories, for the most part I favor Stew's interpretation; that computer-tans simply are, an organic part of the story universe as much as electronic computers are in ours. I would go as far as suggesting that computer-tans have existed in my story universe as long as computers have existed - even in ancient times. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antikythera_mechanism)

I'm not sure if this holds up in Stew's or Nej's storylines, but I do believe the other major difference in my story universe - besides the simple existence of computer-tans - is probably a greater level of equality, both among human beings and between humans and computer-tans. It just seems natural that any society that would except the "personhood" of non-human entities would be much more advanced in terms of equal rights for human beings (women's rights, minority rights, gay rights, etc.) That said, there are quite a few cases of OS-tans being more-or-less "owned" by their companies (early Unix-tan and Multics-tan jump to mind) so I'm not sure if this was consistently true.
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Post by: winduko on May 04, 2014, 01:54:10 pm
Quote from: Bella on May 04, 2014, 01:09:31 pm
Interesting. In my story universe (and Stew's - insofar as I can tell) humans are pretty much normal. In fact, our timeline of events seems about the same as that of the real world; the only difference is the inclusion of personified computers. Nej's seems to run in the same vein, although - if memory serves right - there are indeed a few humans who can manipulate OS-tan type magic. Although they're supposed to be vanishingly rare, highly skilled and by no means the norm (think, like, top-level computer hackers).


Very interesting. There's a sort-of analogue to what you say in my universe known as sliders, who are the most magically inclined humans for unknown reasons. Sort-of because there are computer-tans that are sliders (they only make up 20-25% of all sliders, however), so it truly doesn't correspond with top-level computer hackers. There's only about 5 living OS-tans (to be precise, 4 -tans and 1 -kun) that are sliders in the time period that the story is in.

Quote from: Bella on May 04, 2014, 01:09:31 pm
Although I've touched on the nature of computer-tans in my stories, for the most part I favor Stew's interpretation; that computer-tans simply are, an organic part of the story universe as much as electronic computers are in ours. I would go as far as suggesting that computer-tans have existed in my story universe as long as computers have existed - even in ancient times. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antikythera_mechanism)


Not fully related, but I had no idea computers dated that far back. That's really cool. And now I have the name of the being that gave magic to humans in the first place. :D

Quote from: Bella on May 04, 2014, 01:09:31 pm
I'm not sure if this holds up in Stew's or Nej's storylines, but I do believe the other major difference in my story universe - besides the simple existence of computer-tans - is probably a greater level of equality, both among human beings and between humans and computer-tans. It just seems natural that any society that would except the "personhood" of non-human entities would be much more advanced in terms of equal rights for human beings (women's rights, minority rights, gay rights, etc.) That said, there are quite a few cases of OS-tans being more-or-less "owned" by their companies (early Unix-tan and Multics-tan jump to mind) so I'm not sure if this was consistently true.


In my story, it is both the case and not the case. Sexism, homophobia, transphobia and the like only exist in double-digit numbers at the most. However, ableism, while greatly diminished since recent events, isn't uncommon, and racism is very common. Racism means something different though. It means discriminating against persons of other factions, and in spite of their great numbers of named (and therefore somewhat semi-relevant) characters, the Linuces are the ones who get the brunt of it, as they get it from the more powerful Windows and Mac factions.
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Post by: Chocofreak13 on May 04, 2014, 05:02:00 pm
oh yeah, this is why i stopped commenting in the theory threads.

i should work on the os-tan comiket at some point. and i should post those pics of Cairo-tan i found (and drew).

@kodomo: that whole "pizza don's the gun away from her is a canon image. (http://ostan-collections.net/imeeji/displayimage.php?pid=10203)
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Post by: winduko on May 04, 2014, 05:04:03 pm
Quote from: Chocofreak13 on May 04, 2014, 05:02:00 pm
@kodomo: that whole "pizza don's the gun away from her is a canon image. (http://ostan-collections.net/imeeji/displayimage.php?pid=10203)


That was where I got the idea from, to be honest.
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Post by: Chocofreak13 on May 04, 2014, 05:09:18 pm
funny. xD
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Post by: winduko on May 04, 2014, 05:13:53 pm
It's even one of first things I liked so much that I decided that it belonged in my personal canon. And certainly among the oldest.
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Post by: Penti-chan on May 04, 2014, 05:17:02 pm
You know, although my main story at the moment (Director Who: End of the Millennium) is dark in tone, the rest of the series is actually pretty lighthearted; taking inspiration from Aurora's "ZerOSanity" comic -w-
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Post by: winduko on May 04, 2014, 05:24:06 pm
My story, something that I don't have a title for yet, can vary. It's really dark at the beginning, but after that it varies, as a few characters (most notably Homeko) are comedic.
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Post by: Chocofreak13 on May 04, 2014, 07:02:54 pm
Mine's the OS-tan Comiket. And that one porno crossover.
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Post by: Penti-chan on May 04, 2014, 07:11:11 pm
My series as a whole is called Director Who; a not-so-subtle nod to Doctor Who, which originally just focused on Rodney "The Director" McIntosh, but 2k-tan gets equal spotlight these days
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Post by: winduko on May 04, 2014, 07:30:34 pm
I forgot that I came up with a (working) title. Hours ago. And another working title as I worked out what the series would become. Days ago.

The first working title is TroubleOS, as I wanted to make a comic that deconstructs OS-tan as a whole, and I needed a copied title based on Troubled Windows to work as the title. But then it became the shonen thing that I'm calling...

Slider#2000. The explanation for the title is that 2k-tan is one of the few OS-tans that's a slider. I came up with the earliest concept of slider (though not the name, as it wasn't anything special yet) after playing some Nijikaku, where she seems to have a shock attack amongst other lightning-based abilities, and so I decided "why not" and have it be her primary ability. Later, after reading something about sliders being humans that apparently have electric abilities, I decided to make it something fairly unique.
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Post by: stewartsage on May 04, 2014, 07:47:31 pm
I prefer to keep things crushingly depressing rather then dark.  That applies across the board really, but especially to SAGE's slow slog to wherever it is she's going.

(It's OS-tan hell, complete with OS-tan Devil musical number)
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Post by: Chocofreak13 on May 04, 2014, 09:04:27 pm
I love that move in nijikaku. But damn is it hard for me to activate.
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Post by: winduko on May 04, 2014, 09:09:17 pm
I feel you. It's hard to activate a bunch of moves, to be honest. I honestly mash buttons pretty often. xD
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Post by: Bella on May 04, 2014, 11:45:18 pm
My series is called Iter Tempus. Though the full title is something like Iter Tempus: Scriptum ab Systema Operans Mace Decem Quinquem, Leopardus de Cupertino. Ehhhehehe.

Quote from: stewartsage on May 04, 2014, 07:47:31 pm
I prefer to keep things crushingly depressing rather then dark.  That applies across the board really, but especially to SAGE's slow slog to wherever it is she's going.

(It's OS-tan hell, complete with OS-tan Devil musical number)


Can I just say how much I appreciate that you've managed to make SAGE's story poignant without delving into melodrama? I don't think I'm as bad at writing drama as I could be, but I still wish I had those skills... :C

As for OS-tan hell ... what did SAGE do that was so bad, anyway? I've never really understood, since it seems like everything she did was for her job, the good of the country, or simply to survive.

The only thing I can think is that she's punishing herself for the things she feels she did wrong -- not being good enough for the Air Force, not being there for Whirlwind or BUIC (and maybe even SABRE), "letting" her station-tans and all her other loved ones die, in general all the things she regrets. Hell, maybe even guilt over outliving her usefulness and sanity and feeling undeserving of life when nobody else got to stick around. But unless there are some big things we're unaware of, though, it seems like she never really did anything ... wrong. At least not objectively.
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Post by: Penti-chan on May 07, 2014, 12:25:19 pm
I just had a stupid thought, involving the idea of a '60s Batman-inspired drawing of VMS and 2k:

If Batman has a can of shark-repellent bat-spray, would VMS have a can of bat-repellent shark-spray? : P
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Post by: winduko on May 07, 2014, 12:41:22 pm
Quote from: PentiumMMX on May 07, 2014, 12:25:19 pm
If Batman has a can of shark-repellent bat-spray, would VMS have a can of bat-repellent shark-spray? : P


I think so, as I just put it in the List of Good Ideas.

On a related note, the equivalent of Batman in my OS-tan universe is Sharkwoman. Because why the fuck not?
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Post by: Penti-chan on May 07, 2014, 12:57:27 pm
LOL. One could say that's still OpenVMS; given how the mascot for the OS was a shark
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/7f/Vms_shark_hp.png)
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Post by: winduko on May 07, 2014, 03:33:38 pm
Fact (that applies to my canon): Sharkwoman is VMS-tan. (http://www.dramabutton.com/)
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Post by: Bella on May 07, 2014, 07:38:57 pm
Quote from: PentiumMMX on May 07, 2014, 12:25:19 pm
I just had a stupid thought, involving the idea of a '60s Batman-inspired drawing of VMS and 2k:

If Batman has a can of shark-repellent bat-spray, would VMS have a can of bat-repellent shark-spray? : P


VMS-tan has a can of SPRING LOADED BLADES HOLY SHIT WATCH OUT--

Quote from: winduko on May 07, 2014, 03:33:38 pm
Fact (that applies to my canon): Sharkwoman is VMS-tan. (http://www.dramabutton.com/)


VMS-tan is a super hero then? :p
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Post by: winduko on May 07, 2014, 07:50:33 pm
@Bella: That's what she considers herself.

Also I came up with an idea for a Pokémon/OS-tan crossover.

Pokémon Millennium Version

I blame the whole Hoenn Remakes thing.

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Post by: Chocofreak13 on May 10, 2014, 01:47:19 pm
hm.......ME-tan sets out on a journey from home, waving goodbye to her mother, 95-tan? she gets her first hardwaron from Professor Norton? later on, she is joined by gym leader 2k-tan and hapless water-user XP-tan? ME and friends set off on a quest to make ME a hardwaron master, catching all the RAM and Processors and Hard Drives and Optical Drives? her first one is a Power Supply named Silenx?
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Post by: winduko on May 10, 2014, 02:23:16 pm
Not what I was thinking, but yes. That works. That works very well. xD

On another note, how the fuck does this work?

(http://s25.postimg.org/ihrwe6o1b/whatthefuck.png)
Button mashing at its finest.

I plan on incorporating a similar move in Slider#2000, but I have no real fucking clue what it's supposed to be. In Slider#2000, it'll probably be done by her hand or something unless it's somehow vital that it comes from her ass.  :\

Also, I have tried to use it as an attack, but it doesn't do a thing. And the fact that the move is called "ahole" (I think, as I had to mash buttons to get it to work) isn't helping.

I also unleashed the lightning thing at least twice while I was trying to get that picture.
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Post by: Chocofreak13 on May 10, 2014, 03:04:24 pm
it might just be a pose. sometimes in practice mode, if you leave the opponent alone long enough, they pose.
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Post by: Penti-chan on May 10, 2014, 03:48:16 pm
Could also be a taunt. Back when I was into Mugen (The base for Nijikaku), the Peter Griffin I had featured a taunt that would summon Brian in a banana costume, singing Peanut Butter Jelly Time.

I also had 2k-tan in my roster, although she was a bit buggy due to slight incompatibilities between the version of Mugen I was using and the one she was designed for. Ah, fond memories of 2k duking it out with the hilariously broken character of "Windows Cursor" xD
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Post by: winduko on May 10, 2014, 05:07:43 pm
@Kari: Makes sense. I guess the AI would have a sense of humour. xD Didn't do it after I left the game running for a while in the VM though. Shame.

@Pent: That makes sense too. I did know that she had a similar taunt to what I posted (same thing without the interesting blue thing I commented on, and it's infinite).
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Post by: Bella on May 11, 2014, 02:34:03 pm
Quote from: winduko on May 07, 2014, 07:50:33 pm
@Bella: That's what she considers herself.


Not far from my own story canon, actually. Considering that she's something of a resistance leader (http://ostan-collections.net/wiki/index.php/OS-tan_Annex_Project#Confederation_of_Independent_OS-tans_.28CIOST.29) and part-time vigilante, ehehe.

I don't know if I've ever mentioned this before, but why does Xenix-tan (http://ostan-collections.net/wiki/index.php/Xenix) seem like a freaking Black Lagoon character?

I mean she's BAD-TEMPERED NANNY-ASSASSIN. She was the caretaker of PCDOS, MSDOS and the early Windows-tans, but she spent a considerable amount of time strangling enemies to death with a garrote too. She got kicked out of the IBM-Microsoft family for being too deadly and scheming, disowned by the Unices for being too defiant, and was ultimately sent to the front lines of the Unix Wars to die and she perished in battle like the fucking badass she was...
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Post by: Aurora Borealis on May 30, 2014, 02:52:31 am
@Bella: Xenix-tan reminds me of Roberta from Black Lagoon.

So I retconned Barbie Linux-tan's backstory into her being a phantom of some sort, whose finds strength in others' disbelief of her. So, does she represent only the mythical Barbie Linux, allegedly first announced in the 2000's, meaning she was always a ghost? Or does she represent all the Barbie-branded computers, but by 2006 (when Barbie Linux was allegedly announced), she became a ghost, even though she never died? Or did she become part human, part ghost?
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Post by: winduko on July 06, 2014, 09:35:04 am
/bump

Yamada-san's theme is the Friends theme song and no one can convince me otherwise.
(https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CHmsmaYaChU)
I don't do theme songs at all, but that song fits my portrayal of her so much that I have to do it this once.
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Post by: Chocofreak13 on July 06, 2014, 11:29:53 am
hrm

as the one who knows the most about her here, i'd be inclined to give her something more officey or plain (like elevator music) but given that she lives with a motley crew (WE-tan, Astaroth, Spider Man), and works with one too (2k-kun, Eigyouseki, WE-tan), the Friends theme may be appropriate. :0
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Post by: winduko on July 06, 2014, 12:15:04 pm
Ahh. I was talking about the lyrics and how they fit her. At least in how I portray her.

Yamada-san is the mother of two daughters and is divorced. She's not technically a single parent, as she does live with WE-tan, Astaroth, and Spider-Man, so her daughters have three other parental figures who aren't their mom, but daddy is never seen. Her job is a joke (unfortunately, office lady is not a job of high prestige), and if she were to live alone, she'd pretty much be broke, even considering potential alimony on top of her job.

Though what you say is very true. Her friends are there for her, and she's there for them, so there's the happier side of the song.
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Post by: Bella on July 06, 2014, 10:23:38 pm
Quote from: Aurora Borealis on May 30, 2014, 02:52:31 am
@Bella: Xenix-tan reminds me of Roberta from Black Lagoon.


Just what I was thinking!

Quote from: winduko on July 06, 2014, 09:35:04 am
I don't do theme songs at all, but that song fits my portrayal of her so much that I have to do it this once.


Really? Didn't you post a bunch of theme songs awhile back? ^_^;

Can't say I know much about Yamada but I get what you're saying. ^^

So, I have this headcanon that Multics-tan is good with modern technology, at least better than the average -tan of her era. I see her as being quite fond of smartphones and cloud computing, considering them spiritual-descendants of the technology she herself pioneered.

Plus the mental image of Multics-tan tapping away on a smartphone is very cute.
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Post by: Penti-chan on July 06, 2014, 11:35:58 pm
Kinda reminds me of a headcanon I have; about how OS9-tan is a fan of Android phones, due to her and Siri not getting along very well (Since OS9 can't sync with an iPhone) ^^;
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Post by: winduko on July 06, 2014, 11:58:49 pm
Quote from: Bella on July 06, 2014, 10:23:38 pm
Really? Didn't you post a bunch of theme songs awhile back? ^_^;


Ah, no. I decided to mention what 95-tan's favourite songs are, and one of them happened to be her real life canonical theme song. I can see where the confusion comes from, as I finally got the guts to post here to mention that because people were talking about theme songs.

In unrelated news, I have very big news for those who care about Nijikaku and don't know where the hell it moved to. The section is spoilers mainly due to immense size and that not everyone here plays Nijikaku.

[spoiler]
I found a new place to get the game. But the URL broke so you'll have for it to come back up or something. There is a significant update that came about a month ago. The significant update is more important if you ship Kyuurou and ME-tan because there is proof of it being canon (relatively speaking) in that update.

In that update, there are a few more characters, and one of them is Shisyo, an older version of ME-tan.

(http://s25.postimg.org/z07722sof/shisyo.png)

Also, there's a Vistan called Visko, who seems to be a cross of Yotsuba and ME-tan. Visko is the "7-tan" (admittedly an understandable mistake, as she has Nanami's symbol on her shirt) in this comic (http://ostan-collections.net/imeeji/displayimage.php?album=search&cat=0&pid=10573#top_display_media). The fact that she's with Shisyo/ME and Kyuurou implies that Visko is their child.

(http://s25.postimg.org/4wsoa4pf3/shisyoandfamily.png)

Shisyo has friends (as well as husband and child) who help her after a bar at the near bottom-left hand corner of the area. A list of the other ones are under the spoiler. Note that there are gifs of each character under the spoiler.

[spoiler]


Like Kyuurou and ME-tan, the ones who are already playable, with the exception of Hacchan and XP-tan, who might look slightly different look notably different than an already existing playable version of them. 2k-kun had cameos within Nijikaku, but never truly appeared, and ME-kun never actually appeared.
[/spoiler]

Also, for a something funny,  Shishō  (which can be romanized, though oddly and with a mixture of methods, as Shisyo) could mean a master of some art, most notably martial arts.[/spoiler]

As for the technology thing, I now want to think about how the Windows-tans who are outdated and retired think of modern technology. The XP-tans would be fairly used to smartphones, due to still being supported and the OS still being widely used when they became a thing, and 95-tan being stuck in the 90s in my headcanon, would be outright confused by them, but that's all I can think of atm.
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Post by: Chocofreak13 on July 07, 2014, 02:42:11 pm
Shishou. also, YOU HAVE BOTH MY FANDOM AND GAMER JUICES FLOWING KODOMO

GODDAMN FATE AND MY INABILITY TO INSTALL PROGRAMS ON THIS THING ;^;

regardless, thankyou. this is fucking glorious. now to see if we can get it to work.

(also, depending on which school of thought you subscribe to, EmuKyo is canon. though that ISN'T their child, that's a rejected Vistan who came back in the 7-tan boss rush. i have never seen her referenced in ANY comics featuring either Emuii or Kyourou. and the file you linked to is broken, fix it please. )
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Post by: winduko on July 07, 2014, 03:51:30 pm
That's odd. Guess I'll have to link the files directly.

Base Game (http://nijibox.dyndns.dk/ke/cgi-bin/uploader/src/nijikaku_b0219.zip)
Characters 1-H (http://nijibox.dyndns.dk/ke/cgi-bin/uploader/src/nijikaku_b0213.zip)
Characters I-R (http://nijibox.dyndns.dk/ke/cgi-bin/uploader/src/nijikaku_b0214.zip)
Characters S-Z (http://nijibox.dyndns.dk/ke/cgi-bin/uploader/src/nijikaku_b0215.zip)
Music (http://nijibox.dyndns.dk/ke/cgi-bin/uploader/src/nijikaku_b0217.zip)

Also, Shisyo is not visible on the character selection screen. Her location is two rows below the bottom row.

(http://s25.postimg.org/letwpmawf/visibilityrange.png)

The red line denotes the visibility border. Anything above or to the left of it is visible. Shisyo is two rows below that white person on the visible bottom row.
Title: Re: On Topic[less]
Post by: Bella on July 07, 2014, 04:56:23 pm
Quote from: PentiumMMX on July 06, 2014, 11:35:58 pm
Kinda reminds me of a headcanon I have; about how OS9-tan is a fan of Android phones, due to her and Siri not getting along very well (Since OS9 can't sync with an iPhone) ^^;


OS9-tan and I would be on the same page in that case. x)

Not sure what Multics-tan's preferences would be. On one hand, she's a great aesthete and iPhones would probably appeal to her tastes in style. On the other I think she'd appreciate the flexibility/gadgety nature of Android phones. ^^

Quote from: winduko on July 06, 2014, 11:58:49 pmAh, no. I decided to mention what 95-tan's favourite songs are, and one of them happened to be her real life canonical theme song. I can see where the confusion comes from, as I finally got the guts to post here to mention that because people were talking about theme songs.


Ohhh, my bad! I remember now ... in fact I may've been the one who mentioned my theme songs in the first place. ^__^;;

QuoteAs for the technology thing, I now want to think about how the Windows-tans who are outdated and retired think of modern technology. The XP-tans would be fairly used to smartphones, due to still being supported and the OS still being widely used when they became a thing, and 95-tan being stuck in the 90s in my headcanon, would be outright confused by them, but that's all I can think of atm.


Sounds about right. With the exception of 3.1-tan, I can definitely see the 90s Windows-tans being stuck in the decade and not at all familiar with modern tech. Same goes for most of the other 80s and 90s-tans to be honest...

That said, I think Amiga-tan would be good with modern tech (as Amiga OS is still being developed) and possibly the other Commodore-tans as well.
Title: Re: On Topic[less]
Post by: Chocofreak13 on July 08, 2014, 01:41:29 am
95-tan being confused by technology is already much a canon thing. see: Deja Vu comics. -w-;

@kodomo: by "let's see if we can get it to work" i was referencing earlier versions of the game which were notoriously hard to install. it got so bad that i had to use the pre-stored copy here from like, 2006, 2007 or so because none of the current gens worked on my computer, only the OSC saved one did. >>;

regardless, given my laptop's state right now this is all a moot point~ : D
Title: Re: On Topic[less]
Post by: Bella on July 09, 2014, 01:25:56 pm
I hate it when they change something and an application no longer works. ><

Can we talk for a moment about how the Unices and Linuces are pretty much the illuminati of the OS-tan community:

--The Unices started off as a little bloodline descended from an ancient OS-tan tradition (old IBM and MIT via CTSS and Multics)

--Connected to conspiracy-theory magnet Bell Labs

--Possess old magic from said traditions that gave them an upper hand against other bloodlines/factions

--Arcane rules of conduct and philosophy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unix_philosophy)

--Little regard for tradition (other than their own)

--Originated a hugely popular language based in part on said rules/philosophy (C language)

--Managed to take over much of the OS-tan community in the 70s. Even as their outward power waned in the 80s and 90s they held on to key positions behind-the-scenes. (Severs and supercomputers.)

--Managed to insert themselves into a prominent OS-tan faction (the Mac Family, via the OS X-tans and iOS) with few in the public even noticing

--Having failed to gain widespread public acceptance (adoption as a mainstream home computer OS), the Linuces took over the whole damned mobile market (well like half of it) with the public not-altogther-the-wiser (how many people realize or care Android, Chromium/Chrome, the Kindle, etc. are Linux-based.) They and the Unices (via the Mac Family) now compete for supremacy in said market.

Yes yes ... crack wise all you want about Unix being for nerds ... but the fact is they're everywhere. All the time. Watching. WAITING.

...maybe SAGE-tan was on to something all along.
Title: Re: On Topic[less]
Post by: Bella on July 22, 2014, 05:58:15 pm
My dear friends, I need to know something.

CAN ANYONE EXPLAIN WHY WE DON'T HAVE A XEROX ALTO-TAN YET?!

It's one of the most significant systems in the history of computing, the conceptual mother of both Mac Classic AND Windows and probably had the biggest influence on making modern OSes (or rather GUIs) look like they do. Yet as far as I know the closest we've ever come is Xerox Star-tan. What the heck happened there?
Title: Re: On Topic[less]
Post by: Chocofreak13 on July 22, 2014, 09:39:26 pm
We don't need any bullies here. (http://theproudfamily.wikia.com/wiki/The_Altos)
Title: Re: On Topic[less]
Post by: Bella on July 22, 2014, 09:43:51 pm
Oh you ...

Stew informed me that he thought he remembered an Alto-tan concept but I can't and a quick search of OSC didn't turn up anything. Am I misremembering things? Does anyone else know? ;^;
Title: Re: On Topic[less]
Post by: winduko on July 23, 2014, 02:50:17 pm
I know something!

She should exist. /nothelpful

I even know how to implement her in my project. How she'll be implemented is a huge spoiler, however.
Title: Re: On Topic[less]
Post by: Bella on July 23, 2014, 04:08:32 pm
Quote from: winduko on July 23, 2014, 02:50:17 pm
I even know how to implement her in my project. How she'll be implemented is a huge spoiler, however.


Spiritual ancestor of the Windows and Macs?

Since you brought up -tans and speech patterns; considering the majority of my OS-tans are from 50s-through-80s Massachusetts, there are a lot of Boston accents and New England-isms as you can imagine.

Oddly I've never really thought of any of the MIT OS-tans as being particularly regionally-spoken (not counting Whirlwind and SAGE-tan). Multics-tan, in particular, I've always imagined as speaking with something along the lines of a Transatlantic accent. Kind of ambiguous but very affected and upper-crust. (For anyone reading who doesn't know what a Transatlantic accent is but has been exposed to internet pop culture in the last few years, think Rarity from MLP.) Big vocabulary... probably too big to be taken completely seriously.

On the opposite end of the spectrum I imagine Unix-tan as being bluntly-spoken and Linux-tan as being both verbose and very technical. Like stereotypical nerd territory. I also imagine she has a tendency toward foot-in-mouth disease ...
Title: Re: On Topic[less]
Post by: winduko on July 23, 2014, 06:05:11 pm
As well as the literal ancestor. Though what you said did remind me that schisms happen. They also get violent.

Now, after this point, it's purely my headcanon. My headcanon is meant to be a compromise between Futaba's canon and history. There will likely be things you'll disagree with, and I may take some artistic license with history.

As for the accents, it honestly depends on the location of the company, but exceptions always happen. For example, most Windows-tans would, in theory, have a Pacific Northwestern accent. But say a Windows-tan has a codename that implies otherwise. Windows 95-tan will be the example, as she is (debatable, as NT 3.5, with the codename of Daytona, while beginning development later, was released 11 months prior to 95) the first Windows-tan with such a codename. And she's my favourite tan.

As everyone here (probably) knows, Windows 95 was codenamed Chicago. With that logic, a Windows 95-tan should sound like she comes from that area. It's simple really.

Except when it isn't. Two Windows 95-tans exist with the existence of three codenames (why yes three, that's no typo) that could apply to them, and none of them are Chicago.

Windows 95 OSR 2.1-tan has two codenames that could technically apply to her, as her existence is more or less because Windows codename Nashville was cancelled, and so I lump the theoretical Windows 96-tan and Windows 95 OSR 2.1-tan into the same tan. However, Nashville was first codenamed Cleveland, and Chicago accents also are Cleveland accents, as those two cities are the cities which the Inland North accent is connected with, amusingly. The change in codenames is oddly consistent with her personality in my headcanon, in which she's not afraid to go against 95-tan. 95 OSR 2.1-tan probably has a fake Southern accent, and when she speaks naturally, her accent is the same (and as thick) as 95-tan's.

Meanwhile, Windows 95 OSR 2.5-tan sounds like she's from Detroit, as Windows 95 OSR 2.x was codenamed Detroit. The reason why 95 OSR 2.1 does not have such an accent is because 95 OSR 2.x exists due to the cancellation of Nashville.

We'll move on to Windows 98, which has three -tans. My interperetation has Yamada being the Windows 98-tan, sorta representing both the first and second editions, while Hacchan and Secchan represent First Edition and Second edition respectively. Thankfully both versions used Memphis as the codename, and therefore have thick Dixie accents. Far less complicated than Windows 95.

Windows 97-tan would vary between this accent and a Detroit accent depending on who she's with. If 97-tan is with 95 OSR 2.5-tan, then she'll use a Detroit accent, but when they are seperated and the situation calls for it, she uses a Dixie accent. In fact, 97-tan would claim to be a translator between 95 OSR 2.5-tan and Hacchan.

We will backtrack a little more to Windows NT-tan. Windows NT 3.5 was codenamed Daytona, after the Daytona International Speedway, which is in Daytona Beach, Florida. This would mean both of the NT-tans would likely have a Florida accent.

The Windows XP-tans, Vistans, Windows 7-tan(s), Neptune-tan, Odyssey-tan, and, to a lesser degree, Windows 2000-tan and Windows ME-tan would sound like they were from British Columbia due to the fact that some of these tans have codenames that relate to the Canadian province and four of them are predecessors to Windows XP. In fact, if we were to be more specific, they relate to Whistler, British Columbia, and even more specifically, the Whistler-Blackcomb ski resort, with XP's codename being Whistler, 7's first codename being Blackcomb, and Vista's codename being Longhorn, as in the Longhorn Bar.

As for Neptune, Odyssey, 2000, and ME, all of them are significant predecessors to Whistler/XP to the point where they'd share an accent. The accent is diminished in 2000 and ME because their relation, especially in ME's case, isn't as direct. The "default" accent for a Windows-tan is thankfully very similar to a British Columbian accent, albeit less Canadian.

1.x/2.x (same tan), 3.x, 8.x, and Threshold are the -tans with the "default" accent.

As for Cairo, she is unique as she's the only Windows-tan with a non-Seattle accent, but the nickname points to a location that wouldn't signify her accent. Her accent is an Inland North accent as she is Windows 95-tan's slightly older twin sister, the relation being a reference to how her GUI became the Windows 95 GUI.

As for Mac-tans, I'll likely cover that later when I know more and because this post is already really long, but System 7/7.5 (Futaba!System 7.5-tan's design covering all of System 7.x) also has a thick Inland North accent due to System 7.5's codename being Capone. And it's funny to see mortal enemies with the same accent in a town without a unified accent.

As a note, the -kuns would have the same accents as their corresponding -tans.
Title: Re: On Topic[less]
Post by: Bella on July 23, 2014, 10:02:38 pm
Interesting headcanon; I usually just give my characters whatever accent is common in their region / nation. Begs the question though, what is a Pacific Northwest accent anyway?

As for Alto being related to the Windows and Macs/Apples, generally it's accepted that the Windows-tans came from the C/PM & DOS family tree and Lisa-tan and the Macs from the Apple I line ... but considering that OS-tans often have multiple parents and are quite heavily genetically-engineered I wouldn't rule it out either.
Title: Re: On Topic[less]
Post by: winduko on July 23, 2014, 10:40:56 pm
The accent you'd find in Seattle. TVTropes (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/AmericanAccents) explains it better than I ever will. That's actually the accent that would typically be had by them due to the fact that Microsoft's headquarters have been in cities/towns surrounding Seattle since Windows was first being developed.

And about Alto? Ah yes. My theory relies on some details: Alto-tan Really Gets Around (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ReallyGetsAround). And Immortal (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/Immortality). And the inventor of Homosexual Reproduction (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/HomosexualReproduction).

She passed on her beliefs (need to work what they are out, but certainly it would relate to GUIs) to her three beloved daughters (Lisa, System 1, and Windows 1.x/2.x). The modern day Windows philosophy is actually a mix of Windows 1.x/2.x's philosophy and Lisa's philosophy. This is because the leader of the Windows 95 Development Team, Brad Silverberg (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brad_Silverberg), was also a part of the Lisa Development Team. Meanwhile, System 1's philosophy is still held by the Mac-tans. To say the least, the modern-day philosophies conflict.

That's not to say that they always get in the way. 2k, Sonata, ME, and Kyuurou can all confirm that such philosophies don't get in the way of romance. Saseko and Tiger can confirm that they don't get in the way of friendship.
Title: Re: On Topic[less]
Post by: Bella on July 23, 2014, 11:12:03 pm
Hmm, I see! So far I envision Alto-tan as being giving (whether it's intentional or unintentional is still to be determined), a consummate inventor with little will to actually capitalize on her ideas and a tendency to get screwed over badly by "competitors" (a la Nikola Tesla). Spiritual descendant of her fellow Californian inventors NLS (http://ostan-collections.net/wiki/index.php/NLS) and WAITS (http://ostan-collections.net/wiki/index.php/WAITS). Like her distant interactive-system "foremothers" Whirlwind and TX-0 (among many others), she's deeply invested in the idea of bridging the gap between human beings and computers though better communication and dreams of a day when arcane spell requests and esoteric languages will be replaced by a common-sense "language" both can understand.

As for homosexual reproduction, in my (and arguably Stew's) story universes such technology exists as early as the first contemporary -tans themselves (so the early 1950s) and quite possibly earlier. I'm not sure about SAGE, but TX-0 and PDP-1-tan are both the children of Whirlwind and MTC-tan. There's also a case to be made that Multics-tan (born ca. 1964) is CTSS and BESYS's kid, and PDP-12-tan is canonically PDP-8's and LINC'S (late 60s).

I imagine OS Wars-era Macs and Windows-tans were/are sworn enemies but their postwar kin are decidedly more laid-back and diplomatic toward each other.
Title: Re: On Topic[less]
Post by: winduko on July 24, 2014, 04:25:40 pm
Hmm. I have realized that what you said earlier about Alto being their spiritual predecessor makes a ton more sense and would fit better into the story. The project is thankfully fully open for retcons.
Title: Re: On Topic[less]
Post by: Penti-chan on July 24, 2014, 04:44:35 pm
TBH, although I vaguely knew of Xerox Alto, I didn't think to incorporate it into my story...although I do establish Multics as the spiritual predecessor of all -tans
(Also, the lab she was created in is referred to as a holy ground -w-)
Title: Re: On Topic[less]
Post by: Bella on July 24, 2014, 06:25:30 pm
Quote from: winduko on July 24, 2014, 04:25:40 pm
Hmm. I have realized that what you said earlier about Alto being their spiritual predecessor makes a ton more sense and would fit better into the story. The project is thankfully fully open for retcons.


I'm very flattered you like my ideas. ^_^

With regards to project retcons, I know the feeling also; a lot of my OS-tan backstory is a work-in-progress. As I learn more about personified systems, brainstorm ideas with others and build a clearer picture of the OS-tan universe things get changed around and refined. There's really no such thing as a 100% concrete backstory because I never know what I'll learn next. ^^

Quote from: PentiumMMX on July 24, 2014, 04:44:35 pm
TBH, although I vaguely knew of Xerox Alto, I didn't think to incorporate it into my story...although I do establish Multics as the spiritual predecessor of all -tans
(Also, the lab she was created in is referred to as a holy ground -w-)


That's not too far off the mark. There are only a handful of true "Multics descendants" but Multics had a huge impact on OS design in general.

That said I wonder if DEC had a slightly more direct impact (because of the influence of DEC OSes on CP/M [and DOS and early Windows by association] and Windows NT, not to mention early Unix being built on DEC hardware).

I can confirm Multics' birthplace is holy ground, every time I go past the old Project MAC building in Cambridge I stop and take a moment to appreciate it.  :O
Title: Re: On Topic[less]
Post by: winduko on July 24, 2014, 08:19:28 pm
Quote from: Bella on July 24, 2014, 06:25:30 pm
I'm very flattered you like my ideas. ^_^

With regards to project retcons, I know the feeling also; a lot of my OS-tan backstory is a work-in-progress. As I learn more about personified systems, brainstorm ideas with others and build a clearer picture of the OS-tan universe things get changed around and refined. There's really no such thing as a 100% concrete backstory because I never know what I'll learn next. ^^


This is exactly why I like listening to other's ideas. Sometimes their ideas make more sense than my own, and that's okay. :)

As for the retcons thing, I try to strive for a balance between Futaba Canon and History. Such a balance is not easy to achieve, however. It's great when they overlap though, as that means that I don't have to defy canon while being historically accurate, even if it means datamining Nijikaku and some Fridge Brilliance. I used to be very retcon-happy when I was younger, so I try to avoid retcons... but when it comes to OS-tans, they really are a necessary evil, as I don't know everything about OSes and I likely never will.

...and then there are the times where canon doesn't say anything and history points to a direction I have no desire to go. And there are times where canon points in a direction I don't wish to go, or advised to not go. In both cases I try to find a compromise or just ignore it altogether. And sometimes those decisions are so much better than my previous ideas that I are happy that I was not advised to go in that direction.

Quote from: PentiumMMX on July 24, 2014, 04:44:35 pm
TBH, although I vaguely knew of Xerox Alto, I didn't think to incorporate it into my story...although I do establish Multics as the spiritual predecessor of all -tans
(Also, the lab she was created in is referred to as a holy ground -w-)


At the end of the day, it's your story. Do whatever you want with it.

Admittedly, I didn't think until right now to somehow incorporate Multics into my story. I did, however, have a means of establishing UNIX-tan, Linux-tan, and their descendants into my story. Surely incorporating Multics wouldn't be too hard. :)
Title: Re: On Topic[less]
Post by: Bella on July 26, 2014, 12:09:50 pm
To be honest, avoiding modifications to Futaba Canon and the wider canon of the "original" OS-tans is one of the reasons I gravitated so heavily toward "non-canonical" OS-tans. When I first came here, the original OS-tan canon was more-or-less sacred and anyone who dared to modify or expound upon it was instantly suspect. Then again, Mid-Aughts OSC was an exponentially more SRSBSNS place and such concepts as "headcanons" were unheard of.

Thankfully things are more laid-back now and as long as you don't attempt to claim any personal ideas as THE Canon you should be okay.

OS-tan worldbuilding is a lot different from usual fictional worldbuilding because there's already a rough framework and timeline based in real life history. Because of this, retcons are all but inevitable as we learn more about the systems we personify -- at least if we wish to keep our stories congruent with historical events. As well there's the matter of personal growth as storytellers, sometimes ideas that made sense at one point no longer seem interesting or logical and need to be changed.

Quote from: winduko on July 24, 2014, 08:19:28 pm
...and then there are the times where canon doesn't say anything and history points to a direction I have no desire to go. And there are times where canon points in a direction I don't wish to go, or advised to not go. In both cases I try to find a compromise or just ignore it altogether. And sometimes those decisions are so much better than my previous ideas that I are happy that I was not advised to go in that direction.


I know the feeling. There's nothing more frustrating than those gaps in an a character design or backstory that can't be adequately satisfied by historical events. Sometimes it feels like cheating to invent occurrences to fill in gaps, other times it feels dry and unimaginative to follow historical events with complete faith. This is when having some preexisting frameworks come in handy, since in absence of historical evidence we can always use similar characters or situations to draw conclusions. For example, -tans of a certain type are often portrayed as having common traits (early computer-tans often run in very small social circles, timesharing OS-tans are usually very sociable, Unix-tans have common physical and mental traits, mobile OS-tans are often depicted as being tiny and fairy-like, etc.) -- this makes deducing facts about new OS-tans of these type easier to do.

QuoteAdmittedly, I didn't think until right now to somehow incorporate Multics into my story. I did, however, have a means of establishing UNIX-tan, Linux-tan, and their descendants into my story. Surely incorporating Multics wouldn't be too hard. :)


In fairness, by the 80s and 90s Multics-tan was fairly irrelevant in the wider OS-tan community. However she's massively important to Unix-tan herself and the more historically-minded of the Unix-tans accept her as something of an ancestor so she's still somewhat important in their culture.
Title: Re: On Topic[less]
Post by: Penti-chan on July 26, 2014, 12:23:49 pm
Indeed on retcons; the reason for the split between the old world and new world continuity of my story series was to make is easier for me to weed out some of the stupider aspects (Rodney being a former prince, 2k's "real name" being the internal version number of Windows 2000, etc. etc.)
Title: Re: On Topic[less]
Post by: winduko on July 26, 2014, 01:45:36 pm
Quote from: Bella on July 26, 2014, 12:09:50 pm
To be honest, avoiding modifications to Futaba Canon and the wider canon of the "original" OS-tans is one of the reasons I gravitated so heavily toward "non-canonical" OS-tans. When I first came here, the original OS-tan canon was more-or-less sacred and anyone who dared to modify or expound upon it was instantly suspect. Then again, Mid-Aughts OSC was an exponentially more SRSBSNS place and such concepts as "headcanons" were unheard of.


Well, Mid-Aughts OSC would not have been my place. Expanding the Futaba Canon is my thing, as I have a very strong interest in the Windows OSes, and the Windows 9x series in particular. Considering that ME-tan represents the most recent Windows 9x OS, I'd be a heretic.

Depending on how literally they thought Futaba Canon should be taken, I'd be laughed out based on my opinions of Secchan alone. (Basically, in my opinion, she's supposed to be a heel wrestler as a reference to the Illegal Things that was done by Microsoft to keep their already existing monopolies and gain new ones using the Windows 98 OS. 98 SE may have been chosen for the heel wrestler metaphor because 98 SE was more stable and perhaps more successful, I can't find any proof to [dis]prove the latter yet, than vanilla 98. Where did I get the idea for the heel wrestler metaphor? Nijikaku and research.Then again, Futaba might have done it because it was funny.)

Quote from: Bella on July 26, 2014, 12:09:50 pm
Thankfully things are more laid-back now and as long as you don't attempt to claim any personal ideas as THE Canon you should be okay.


Pfft. If I were to claim my ideas to be THE Canon That Everyone Must Follow, I'd be the biggest liar here. It's only THE Canon in my stories, and even then, the idea of forcing that everyone follows it outside of my stories is disgusting. I don't even mind if people share their differences and how they'd write it differently. I just don't want anyone saying I'm 100% wrong because the story doesn't follow their idea of the OS-tan canon. No one is truly wrong when it comes to OS-tan canon, nor are they truly right due to the inherent subjectiveness of the canon.

Quote from: Bella on July 26, 2014, 12:09:50 pm
OS-tan worldbuilding is a lot different from usual fictional worldbuilding because there's already a rough framework and timeline based in real life history. Because of this, retcons are all but inevitable as we learn more about the systems we personify -- at least if we wish to keep our stories congruent with historical events. As well there's the matter of personal growth as storytellers, sometimes ideas that made sense at one point no longer seem interesting or logical and need to be changed.


The timeline of my stories is in no way congruent with the IRL timeline. It's not even similar, as I actually purposefully put some things out of order for the sake of the story.

But yes. Retcons probably even are necessary. I strive for accuracy until it interferes with the story.

Quote from: Bella on July 26, 2014, 12:09:50 pm
I know the feeling. There's nothing more frustrating than those gaps in an a character design or backstory that can't be adequately satisfied by historical events. Sometimes it feels like cheating to invent occurrences to fill in gaps, other times it feels dry and unimaginative to follow historical events with complete faith. This is when having some preexisting frameworks come in handy, since in absence of historical evidence we can always use similar characters or situations to draw conclusions. For example, -tans of a certain type are often portrayed as having common traits (early computer-tans often run in very small social circles, timesharing OS-tans are usually very sociable, Unix-tans have common physical and mental traits, mobile OS-tans are often depicted as being tiny and fairy-like, etc.) -- this makes deducing facts about new OS-tans of these type easier to do.


Making up events doesn't feel like cheating to me, as I often deem it necessary for the story. And then there are the times where I need to place things out of order for the story to make sense.

As for -tans of a similar kind being similar, at first I didn't have any examples. I then realized that, thanks to retcons, now I do. Early Windows-tans in my story (the 9x-tans plus 3.x and 1.x/2.x) share a similar personality. They tended to have a sort of split personality between silly and serious, becoming more serious as they got older. The only exceptions are Yamada-san (whom was always more responsible than her older sisters) and Cairo (whom actually is of NT descent but in my headcanon she is lumped in with early 9x.)

Quote from: Bella on July 26, 2014, 12:09:50 pm
In fairness, by the 80s and 90s Multics-tan was fairly irrelevant in the wider OS-tan community. However she's massively important to Unix-tan herself and the more historically-minded of the Unix-tans accept her as something of an ancestor so she's still somewhat important in their culture.


Actually, what you said did give me a way to implement Multics-tan. She's the goddess of the Unices and the Linuces.

Quote from: PentiumMMX on July 26, 2014, 12:23:49 pm
Indeed on retcons; the reason for the split between the old world and new world continuity of my story series was to make is easier for me to weed out some of the stupider aspects (Rodney being a former prince, 2k's "real name" being the internal version number of Windows 2000, etc. etc.)


I had to push the reset button on my OS-tan headcanons twice. My headcanon names of the Windows-tans remained intact, however. But a full comprehensive list of my headcanon names for them are not for now. It would significantly lengthen this post.
Title: Re: On Topic[less]
Post by: Penti-chan on July 26, 2014, 02:49:34 pm
I admit, most of the names I use go off of what's listed on the Wiki (Eloise for PDP-11-tan, Saseko for XP-tan, etc.); only one I had to come up with was 2k-tan (Which I borrowed the name "Nichi" from Kari; as it worked for me -w-)
Title: Re: On Topic[less]
Post by: winduko on July 26, 2014, 03:25:24 pm
Fun Fact that is Most Definitely Not Related to Anything of The Day: Saseko means "whore" in Japanese. No, really. Futaba found it funny, I guess.

I like coming up with names for OS-tans.

Sometimes the names are references to anime (Yuno, my headcanon first name of1.x/2.x-tan, is a reference to Hidamari Sketch, as the main character Yuno looks a lot like 1.x/2.x-tan in my opinion.)

Sometimes the name is derived from their codename (Chicago/Shikago/Shikako is my headcanon first name of 95-tan, and clearly Spell My Name with an S is in full effect here thanks to my indecisiveness and that these are all legitimate [even if one of them is a bit odd] romanizations of 鹿子, the kanji for fawn and that means yes, if you really wanted to, you could name your kid Chicago but I don't recommend it.)

Other times I just go with what canon says (Hatsushima Shishou is ME-tan's name in my headcanon. Hatsushima is the canonical surname of WE-tan, who is ME-tan's mother in my headcanon, while Shisyo [Shishou being a more consistent romanization] was the name for an updated ME-tan in the most recent version of Nijikaku.)

Sometimes the names are derived are derived from the OS name (Tsuruko is my headcanon first name of 2k-tan, as when a crane reaches 2000 years old, Japanese myth says their feathers turn all black. Tsuru is a word for crane in Japanese.)

And sometimes Goroawase likes to visit (Azusa, the name of 3.x-tan in my stories, was initially a reference to K-ON, but sa can be a word for three in Japanese.)

As for surnames, it's mostly simple. Windows-tans of NT descent have the surname of Madobe. Early Windows-tans (excepting ME-tan) have the surname of Yamada. DOS-tans (including OS/2-tan, who started off as CP-DOS) have the surname of Shirato (what you get when you type d-o-s in kana imput mode when you're typing in Japanese.) Apple-tans have the surname of McUll (Úll is the Irish word for Apple.)
Title: Re: On Topic[less]
Post by: Chocofreak13 on July 26, 2014, 07:38:05 pm
@kodomo: Saseko being whore is grade school stuff, yo. everyone's known that since before even i got here, lol.

also, as long as you keep all those names as PERSONAL canon, it's fine. cause a lot of them have futaba ("actual") canon names by now.

XP Pro: Saseko
Home: Homeko (Homeo for the -kun)
MCE: Moseko
ME: Emuii
OS9-kun: Kyourou
Failed 98-tan: Yamada



i don't usually post here, buuuut....

@canon vs personalcanon: idc what people do in their own canon, provided they don't start calling it fact. that was a huge source of friction between me and a few members awhile back, as they were quite forceful with their ideas and the thought of us being the only english site, that we get to write these things as fact. if you create the -tan, you do. if you don't, you don't, and when it comes to the original -tans, to me, japanese fact is paramount.

tl;dr: don't mess with the pre-established japanese guidelines and i won't have a problem with you.


at some point i should continue the os-tan comiket. i had an idea for an ending and everything....
Title: Re: On Topic[less]
Post by: Krizonar on July 26, 2014, 08:09:34 pm
Quote from: winduko on July 26, 2014, 03:25:24 pm
Apple-tans have the surname of McUll (Úll is the Irish word for Apple.)

I have no objections for this headcanon. Seems Appley enough for me.
Title: Re: On Topic[less]
Post by: winduko on July 26, 2014, 08:26:19 pm
Quote from: Chocofreak13 on July 26, 2014, 07:38:05 pm
@kodomo: Saseko being whore is grade school stuff, yo. everyone's known that since before even i got here, lol.


Sadly, I didn't. When I found that out it made a lot of things more humourous in my opinion.

Quote from: Chocofreak13 on July 26, 2014, 07:38:05 pm
also, as long as you keep all those names as PERSONAL canon, it's fine. cause a lot of them have futaba ("actual") canon names by now.


Quote from: Chocofreak13 on July 26, 2014, 07:38:05 pm
@canon vs personalcanon: idc what people do in their own canon, provided they don't start calling it fact. that was a huge source of friction between me and a few members awhile back, as they were quite forceful with their ideas and the thought of us being the only english site, that we get to write these things as fact. if you create the -tan, you do. if you don't, you don't, and when it comes to the original -tans, to me, japanese fact is paramount.


No worries. I have no intentions to state it as canon. It's a fanon that allows for my story to work the way it does. It's only canon in the things I write and I'm more than fine with that.

To take my word as actual canon in the OS-tan verse outside of my writing is, in my opinion, unwise. Think of my writing as a collection of Alternate Universe fanfics in the same universe, as that's exactly what it is in comparison to Futaba Canon if you ask me.

Quote from: Krizonar on July 26, 2014, 08:09:34 pm
I have no objections for this headcanon. Seems Appley enough for me.


Exactly why I like it. Surnames like McIntosh and Apple are too obvious for my personal use, but I need the surnames to be fitting to their OS. I like adding in Genius Bonuses, as I like to learn, and I enjoy the subtlety I can get from my learning.

Quote from: Chocofreak13 on July 26, 2014, 07:38:05 pm
at some point i should continue the os-tan comiket. i had an idea for an ending and everything....


I completely agree with you on that one. It's a great comic. :)

In fact, it's what made me want to write my own OS-tan thing.
Title: Re: On Topic[less]
Post by: Bella on July 26, 2014, 09:41:21 pm
I usually use the surname Macintosh in my stories.
Title: Re: On Topic[less]
Post by: winduko on July 26, 2014, 09:57:41 pm
Quote from: Bella on July 26, 2014, 09:41:21 pm
I usually use the surname Macintosh in my stories.


That's to be expected. And it makes it an even better thing that I don't use it. If I did use it, it wouldn't be as creative on my end. Macintosh is a very legitimate surname and it easily shows that "hey this person represents a version of the Macintosh operating system." It's just not my thing. ^^;




In other news, I discovered something that got a sick twisted amusement out of me.

Cairo, Illinois.

It's a ghost town that is said to be the most depressing town in the US.

It amuses me because of my OS-tan fanon. Cairo-tan began as a promising young girl with lots of talent whom ultimately fell (and was never truly released). Chicago-tan, Cairo's twin, began as a girl who had no talent and was nowhere near promising, but she grew up to be Windows 95-tan with nothing short of hard work and determination, things that Cairo lacked and lead to her downfall.

While the OS Cairo was absolutely named after Cairo, Egypt, the fact that there's a Cairo in the very state that Chicago is the largest city of amused me to begin with. I first thought that it was a suburb of Chicago. It then turns out to be as far away from Chicago as a town in Illinois can get, which amused me greatly. And then it's a ghost town on top of that.

It resulted in me getting the most sick, twisted amusement in my life.
Title: Re: On Topic[less]
Post by: Krizonar on July 26, 2014, 10:46:14 pm
In my thoughts/stories, I'll admit I don't actually use a family name for them.

Then again, the reason for this could be quite simple. I am a strictly Mac Tan person and generally tend to not think about/involve other tans, so a family name reference would be unnecessary.
Title: Re: On Topic[less]
Post by: winduko on July 26, 2014, 10:57:34 pm
And your reason is undoubtedly a good one. If you don't incorporate other -tans aside from Mac-tans, then you don't need to elaborate on surnames.

I'm very detailed when it comes to characters, so I still give them surnames, but you are not me, and for the better too. I get obsessed when it comes to details, but it also feels like second-nature to me.

On the other hand, I like to incorporate all sorts of -tans, so surnames are something I need.
Title: Re: On Topic[less]
Post by: Penti-chan on July 26, 2014, 11:03:13 pm
@Kari: TBH I only just now learned that Saseko means "whore" -w-;;;

@Kriz: To be honest, it was years before I started to work in surnames into my stories. Now, it makes sense for me to add the extra detail; the exception being with James and Sara from Tales of Insanity; which the story was a homage to my earlier works while setting up some plot threads for End of the Millennium.

@Duko: LOL. Cairo, IL is one of those weird things you stumble onto; like how there's a small town floating between Palestine and Dallas, named Eureka...which became the source of many jokes with my parents, because of a TV show about a small town by the same name (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eureka_%28U.S._TV_series%29) that we were watching at the time -w-;

Also:
Quote from: winduko on July 26, 2014, 08:26:19 pm
Exactly why I like it. Surnames like McIntosh and Apple are too obvious for my personal use, but I need the surnames to be fitting to their OS. I like adding in Genius Bonuses, as I like to learn, and I enjoy the subtlety I can get from my learning.


...I think I just realized that, within the universe of my stories, 2k has a thing for apples ^^;
I mean, as established in canon, she dated Sonata for a while, and is very close with Rodney McIntosh
Title: Re: On Topic[less]
Post by: Krizonar on July 26, 2014, 11:03:50 pm
I'm mostly interested in my own family, though reading about other tans is of course always fun.

I just hadn't really thought about family names at all regarding tans, as I didn't feel their naming system was necessarily like ours. So in my universe, it isn't. They have a name like Antares and a designation like System 6.

Of course, everything is up to interpretation, so it's perfectly fine they use human naming conventions with last names and such in yours.
Title: Re: On Topic[less]
Post by: winduko on July 26, 2014, 11:13:42 pm
Quote from: PentiumMMX on July 26, 2014, 11:03:13 pm
@Duko: LOL. Cairo, IL is one of those weird things you stumble onto; like how there's a small town floating between Palestine and Dallas, named Eureka...which became the source of many jokes with my parents, because of a TV show about a small town by the same name (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eureka_%28U.S._TV_series%29) that we were watching at the time -w-;


I was trying to do research for Cairo-tan to see if I could expand her. Google then suggested "Cairo Illinois" and it went downhill from there. xD

Quote from: PentiumMMX on July 26, 2014, 11:03:13 pm
...I think I just realized that, within the universe of my stories, 2k has a thing for apples ^^;
I mean, as established in canon, she dated Sonata for a while, and is very close with Rodney McIntosh


I am thinking Dirty Things™ right now.

It is now canon in my OS-tan universe that 2k-tan's Trademark Favourite Food is the apple.

Quote from: Krizonar on July 26, 2014, 11:03:50 pm
I'm mostly interested in my own family, though reading about other tans is of course always fun.

I just hadn't really thought about family names at all regarding tans, as I didn't feel their naming system was necessarily like ours. So in my universe, it isn't. They have a name like Antares and a designation like System 6.

Of course, everything is up to interpretation, so it's perfectly fine they use human naming conventions with last names and such in yours.


Well, in my universe, they're close enough to human to use human naming conventions. They're not entirely human, however. They're the beginnings of the post-human race.
Title: Re: On Topic[less]
Post by: Penti-chan on July 26, 2014, 11:24:34 pm
Well, although I never finished it, there was a yuri in the works detailing 2k and Sonata's relationship; with a planned scene that would have them in bed together...and although it wouldn't go into detail on what they're doing, it would imply enough to know they're doing more than share a bed =w=

Also, there was that hentai where 2k wakes up with a hangover in bed next to Rodney; as she's trying to figure out what, exactly, they did the night before ^^;
Title: Re: On Topic[less]
Post by: winduko on July 26, 2014, 11:32:36 pm
Quote from: PentiumMMX on July 26, 2014, 11:24:34 pm
Well, although I never finished it, there was a yuri in the works detailing 2k and Sonata's relationship; with a planned scene that would have them in bed together...and although it wouldn't go into detail on what they're doing, it would imply enough to know they're doing more than share a bed =w=


Not quite the Dirty Things™ I was thinking, but
The yuri will satisfy my needs. I like romantic stuffs.

Title: Re: On Topic[less]
Post by: Chocofreak13 on July 27, 2014, 02:20:59 pm
Quote from: winduko on July 26, 2014, 08:26:19 pm
In fact, it's what made me want to write my own OS-tan thing.


what!? seriously!? that old thing!?

haha, that's goddamn high praise, especially since i haven't worked on it in years (Ace's High is my main)! thanks kid. ^^


@Cairo: hahaha, Cairo! i remember the -tan i made for her, i think? i uploaded stuff about her? bells would remember if i did or not. if i didn't i'll try to track down the sketchbook.

to be fair, your approximation wasn't too far off of the personality i created for her....she's REALLY bitter and spiteful towards 95-tan, although it's a one-sided rivalry. it was actually a running gag that she was going to confront 95, who didn't remember her in the slightest, and it would just make her madder. xD;

@last names: last names never came up much in my comic, but i think i toyed with the idea of using the surnames Madobe and Ringo. considering they literally mean "Window" and "Apple" in japanese, it wasn't really inspired, but accurate.

what tripped me up was making "human" names for the various OSes. though i still like Shiroyuki-sama. -w-
Title: Re: On Topic[less]
Post by: winduko on July 27, 2014, 03:35:36 pm
Quote from: Chocofreak13 on July 27, 2014, 02:20:59 pm
what!? seriously!? that old thing!?

haha, that's goddamn high praise, especially since i haven't worked on it in years (Ace's High is my main)! thanks kid. ^^


I'm serious, and it's no problem. I loved it and I miss it. Even though I wasn't there when you began working on it but I still miss it.

Quote from: Chocofreak13 on July 27, 2014, 02:20:59 pm
@Cairo: hahaha, Cairo! i remember the -tan i made for her, i think? i uploaded stuff about her? bells would remember if i did or not. if i didn't i'll try to track down the sketchbook.

to be fair, your approximation wasn't too far off of the personality i created for her....she's REALLY bitter and spiteful towards 95-tan, although it's a one-sided rivalry. it was actually a running gag that she was going to confront 95, who didn't remember her in the slightest, and it would just make her madder. xD;


...and the funny thing is, even with my headcanons, that doesn't sound all that OOC for 95-tan. Maybe not something that I can imagine happening in real life, but I'm sure forgetting your twin sister (or more realistically, her name) would hardly be the weirdest thing in fiction.

spoiler for my story ahead:[spoiler]At the beginning, it'll be revealed she forgot to tell Yamada-san (who is her younger sister in my headcanon) about 3.x-tan(their older sister in my headcanon)'s death... which happened almost three years prior to the beginning of the story.

To say the least, it'd hardly surprise Yamada-san if 95-tan managed to forget her twin sister's name or even existence, considering that Yamada-san is well-aware that her sister's memory sucks.[/spoiler]
Quote from: Chocofreak13 on July 27, 2014, 02:20:59 pm
@last names: last names never came up much in my comic, but i think i toyed with the idea of using the surnames Madobe and Ringo. considering they literally mean "Window" and "Apple" in japanese, it wasn't really inspired, but accurate.

what tripped me up was making "human" names for the various OSes. though i still like Shiroyuki-sama. -w-


I use Madobe for the surname of the NT-descended Windows-tans. Partially because if you look at Nanami's family tree (http://chaos.en.utf8art.com/arc/windows_4.html) and know what the hell is going on, that's exactly what someone did. It's not really canon per se (and I actually don't obey it), but it's a starting point.

Shiroyuki is a very beautiful and awesome name if you ask me.

As for making human names for OS-tans, I find it fun.

Edit: Here's a Translation of Questionable Quality of the Madobe Family Tree.

[spoiler]                   Madobe Family Tree
      Translation of Questionable Quality by:
                              Winduko

   Madobe Family                Shirato Family
    Ancestor                           Ancestor
     Sanichi                             Sanhei (?)
      |                                  |
Grandfather  Grandmother      Grandfather   Grandmother
Naozou=====Sanko         Kyuugo======Minami(surname?) Miyako
┌―┴――――――――――――┐               ┌――┴――┐
Uncle                            Mother         Father     Aunt
Yoshimi(surname?) Jin  Mikaho====Kyuuachi  Mie
|        ┌―――――――――┬――┴――――――――――――――――┐
Cousin Oldest Son  Oldest Daughter                             Youngest Daughter
Claude  Goichi            Mutsumi                                                Nanami[/spoiler]
Title: Re: On Topic[less]
Post by: Chocofreak13 on July 28, 2014, 04:48:37 pm
considering they're all Windows, i never saw much of a reason to differentiate between trees. if nothing else, you could always say the NTs married into it or something.

Shiroyuki was the name we agreed on for the Apple ][.


hrm, if it helps any, i could always post my sketches for the Comiket. i have too much going on atm to consider picking it back up on a consistent basis, but at least you could see how the first arc of it ended. i was pretty proud of the outcome, anyway. ^^;;
Title: Re: On Topic[less]
Post by: winduko on July 28, 2014, 05:38:24 pm
Quote from: Chocofreak13 on July 28, 2014, 04:48:37 pm
considering they're all Windows, i never saw much of a reason to differentiate between trees. if nothing else, you could always say the NTs married into it or something.


I will confirm right now that NT-tan married into the Windows family. I've been tempted to say that for a while, but only now has it been relevant to mention. To me I find that idea to make the most sense for why they're together from a story perspective.

Quote from: Chocofreak13 on July 28, 2014, 04:48:37 pm
Shiroyuki was the name we agreed on for the Apple ][.


Here's another person who agrees even though she came here years after it was decided.

Quote from: Chocofreak13 on July 28, 2014, 04:48:37 pm
hrm, if it helps any, i could always post my sketches for the Comiket. i have too much going on atm to consider picking it back up on a consistent basis, but at least you could see how the first arc of it ended. i was pretty proud of the outcome, anyway. ^^;;


I'd love that, thank you. As for having too much IRL to work on a project, I understand. I'm not attempting to write my fanfic until late December at the earliest, but that's mostly because this semester I have a Creative Writing and a Psychology class, both of which would be useful to have completed before I attempt any major projects, and my longest break of the year (which splits the two semesters) starts in late December.
Title: Re: On Topic[less]
Post by: Chocofreak13 on July 28, 2014, 05:50:33 pm
i WISH i had semesters to worry about. that's actually one of the things preventing me from making any headway on any projects outside of KK Anime Reviews and Ace's High. and the only reason i work on Ace's High is because 1. it keeps me looking busy, 2. it distracts me from all the crap going on IRL, and 3, i know how it's going to end/have everything framed out already, just need to fill the flesh in around the bones.

i'll start taking pics when i get home, haha.
Title: Re: On Topic[less]
Post by: winduko on July 28, 2014, 06:06:15 pm
It sounds like they're your main projects anyways. I probably have a lot more time than most high school students because I don't do afterschool things and I don't study outside of doing homework (or even need to for that matter), so I shouldn't be complaining about a lack of time. It just feels like I've had less time to do things since I started high school.

And thank you. :D
Title: Re: On Topic[less]
Post by: Chocofreak13 on July 28, 2014, 06:59:18 pm
np. and dayum, you start HS early wherever you are.
Title: Re: On Topic[less]
Post by: Bella on July 30, 2014, 02:11:15 am
Possibly a bit late to the party but here's the original post detailing Cairo-tan's design (http://ostan-collections.net/forum/index.php/topic,1154.msg127964.html#msg127964).

As for Windows NT-tan and the Windows family, in C-chan's, Aurora's, Stew's, Pent's and my story canons (which are all related for what it's worth), Windows NT-tan was genetically engineered by Microsoft from OpenVMS-tan's "source code" (reflecting the real-world fact that Windows NT is largely based on VMS, sharing a similar architecture and common creator) and has some OS/2-tan genetics in her as well (again reflecting a real-world relation between the two OSes). She was pretty close with Windows 95-tan and Windows 3.1-tan growing up, but shares no blood relation to the Early Windows or 9.x-tan branches. 

As for names, I tend to name my -tans after their creators, or the creator most commonly associated with the OS in question. Linux-tan is Lina Torvalds (after Linus Torvalds), Multics and CTSS-tan are Minerva and Tessa Corbató (after Fernado Corbató), PDP-8-tan is Kate deCastro (after Edson deCastro), most of the DEC-tans are surnamed Olsen or Bell, after the two most prominent figures in DEC engineering and management. When it makes sense, I sometimes use corporation names for -tan surnames; for instance Burroughs MCP-tan is Margaret Burroughs and Bell Labs Unix-tan is Eunice Bell.

Granted, this isn't quite as logical for modern-day -tans (particularly the Windows and Apple-tans).
Title: Re: On Topic[less]
Post by: winduko on July 30, 2014, 06:41:28 am
Quote from: Bella on July 30, 2014, 02:11:15 am
As for Windows NT-tan and the Windows family, in C-chan's, Aurora's, Stew's, Pent's and my story canons (which are all related for what it's worth), Windows NT-tan was genetically engineered by Microsoft from OpenVMS-tan's "source code" (reflecting the real-world fact that Windows NT is largely based on VMS, sharing a similar architecture and common creator) and has some OS/2-tan genetics in her as well (again reflecting a real-world relation between the two OSes). She was pretty close with Windows 95-tan and Windows 3.1-tan growing up, but shares no blood relation to the Early Windows or 9.x-tan branches.


In my canon, VMS-tan, to keep a long story short, had a child when she nowhere near expected it. Sharkwoman noted that she just didn't have the time to raise a child, so NT-tan was left to the devices of a family named Madobe. She had no idea of her relation to Sharkwoman of all people until she was an adult who had kids of her own, and at least one of them was a huge fan of Sharkwoman. As you can tell, there was a DILEMMA over the fact that her daughter had an idol in her mom whom was never there for her. NT-tan decided that it simply did not matter because she can't bring herself to call VMS-tan her mom at all.

As for her relation to the early Windows or 9x Windows, she is not known to be blood related (though there are many rumours that say her father is OS/2-tan, whom is a first cousin to 1.x/2.x-tan, but second-cousin marriage is perfectly legal in most places, but I'm still iffy about the incest aspect to the point where I am very likely to say no to that idea for the story's sake) but she is definitely married into the Windows family, but at this point I am not sure if the love was with 3.1 or 95. I can see where my ideas just wouldn't work with your continuities though. In those continuities, they would have the Westermarck Effect and would feel like it's wrong for them to want to do it with their sister, adopted or not (and then there's the thing known as they don't even know).

Quote from: Bella on July 30, 2014, 02:11:15 am
As for names, I tend to name my -tans after their creators, or the creator most commonly associated with the OS in question. Linux-tan is Lina Torvalds (after Linus Torvalds), Multics and CTSS-tan are Minerva and Tessa Corbató (after Fernado Corbató), PDP-8-tan is Kate deCastro (after Edson deCastro), most of the DEC-tans are surnamed Olsen or Bell, after the two most prominent figures in DEC engineering and management. When it makes sense, I sometimes use corporation names for -tan surnames; for instance Burroughs MCP-tan is Margaret Burroughs and Bell Labs Unix-tan is Eunice Bell.

Granted, this isn't quite as logical for modern-day -tans (particularly the Windows and Apple-tans).


Not that I haven't tried. For a while, 95-tan was Jessica Silverberg (after Brad Silverberg) and NT-tan was Michalina Cutler (after Dave Cutler), but the idea was scrapped because 1) I couldn't find many other Windows-tans who had a known definite project leader and 2) the Windows-tans were for the most part made by Futaba, so in hindsight, they should have a Japanese name

not that I'll follow that last rule with the Mac-tans, whom are mostly blonde persons and we all know that a majority of blond persons in anime are white
Title: Re: On Topic[less]
Post by: Chocofreak13 on July 30, 2014, 04:57:50 pm
i just realized i never actually uploaded the sketch of Cairo.

herp derp ;v;
Title: Re: On Topic[less]
Post by: Bella on August 01, 2014, 12:58:37 pm
@Winduko: Interestingly that sounds almost completely in-character for VMS-tan. Particularly 80s/90s VMS-tan, she really had zero will to have anything to do with children, and the idea of having her own child would probably be even less appealing to her. Of course, I also envision her as being hard asexual and grossed out by the idea of offspring-production (be it produced the "old fashioned way" or grown in a laboratory -- in fact that last bit is one of many reasons she's creeped out by the Unix society) so how she'd have ended up with an unwanted child is a little more out-of-character. ^^;

In our (my, C-chan's, Aurora's, Stew's and Pent's) story canon(s), NT-tan knows nothing of her relationship to VMS despite having been in close contact with each other on several occasions, even fighting each other at one point. It's heavily implied there was some kind of psychological conditioning to keep NT-tan from suspecting anything about VMS (or OS/2) and that VMS-tan started wearing her mask precisely to keep people in the "outside world" from drawing conclusions about hers' and NT-tan's relationship. As it stands, the only Windows-tan who knows for sure is Windows 2k-tan, and she's aware enough to keep the knowledge to herself.

As for incest, that's really a matter of personal preference and I respect you not wanting to include any such plots in your stories. Personally I'm less bothered by it (fiction only, obviously) and imagine it's not particularly taboo among OS-tans given the tendency for "related" systems to be the most psychologically and biologically "compatible".

On the subject of NT-tan's beau, I imagine 95-tan would best fit the bill. In our canon(s), 95-tan and NT-tan are close friends already, and 3.1-tan is viewed as something of a motherly/senior figure to the "newer" generations of Windows-tans.

As for names, interesting you used Cutler also: RSX, VMS and VAXELN-tan are Risa, Vanessa and Ellen Cutler, respectively. (The name becomes unintentionally punny when you consider that they're all supposed to be brilliant swordswomen.) Though the named-after-real-life-creators convention does get difficult when dealing with newer corporate OSes, many of which have large development teams and no one true creator. This is why I've never attempted it for either the Windows or Apple families. Though you've proven that it can be done, if you're willing to ignore some of the effects on continuity (i.e. the Windows-tans being canonically Japanese, or at least residing in Japan).
Title: Re: On Topic[less]
Post by: winduko on August 01, 2014, 03:21:19 pm
Quote from: Bella on August 01, 2014, 12:58:37 pm
@Winduko: Interestingly that sounds almost completely in-character for VMS-tan. Particularly 80s/90s VMS-tan, she really had zero will to have anything to do with children, and the idea of having her own child would probably be even less appealing to her. Of course, I also envision her as being hard asexual and grossed out by the idea of offspring-production (be it produced the "old fashioned way" or grown in a laboratory -- in fact that last bit is one of many reasons she's creeped out by the Unix society) so how she'd have ended up with an unwanted child is a little more out-of-character. ^^;


I am trying to work out that kink, and that's the reason why I can't explain the process as to how NT-tan was made. Sadly, this results in a plothole and I'm trying to avoid that. My best guess is that she was a test-tube baby whom was sent to one of her genetic sources, VMS-tan. VMS-tan here had no clue that she even had a clone-daughter-thing, and now she's expected to raise it? Screw that. Let's send little Michalina (crap I named her, I have to get rid of her to stop myself from getting too attached to this child I didn't want to begin with) to a family who is willing to raise her. Japanese family named Madobe wants the child. Sure. Let's give them the child. The rest is history.

Quote from: Bella on August 01, 2014, 12:58:37 pm
In our (my, C-chan's, Aurora's, Stew's and Pent's) story canon(s), NT-tan knows nothing of her relationship to VMS despite having been in close contact with each other on several occasions, even fighting each other at one point. It's heavily implied there was some kind of psychological conditioning to keep NT-tan from suspecting anything about VMS (or OS/2) and that VMS-tan started wearing her mask precisely to keep people in the "outside world" from drawing conclusions about hers' and NT-tan's relationship. As it stands, the only Windows-tan who knows for sure is Windows 2k-tan, and she's aware enough to keep the knowledge to herself.


NT-tan thinks that it's under wraps, and only two or three people aside from her and her biological mother know. It's not hard to figure out, so those whom have seen Sharkwoman unmasked know. The only reason why not everyone would know is because not many have seen Sharkwoman unmasked.

I'm going to find a way to incorporate OS/2-tan into NT-tan's backstory. I can't ignore the influence of OS/2 on Windows NT.

Quote from: Bella on August 01, 2014, 12:58:37 pm
As for incest, that's really a matter of personal preference and I respect you not wanting to include any such plots in your stories. Personally I'm less bothered by it (fiction only, obviously) and imagine it's not particularly taboo among OS-tans given the tendency for "related" systems to be the most psychologically and biologically "compatible".


Well, the OS-tans in my work are very close to human. In fact, the only thing that separates them from other humans is that, for the most part, they live in a secluded city to contain their supernatural abilities. It has spread to other places thanks to the fact that one person was allowed outside, and she reproduced. Thankfully, not everyone has the genetics needed to develop such abilities, and the only reasons why that one person was allowed to leave was because of her lack of genetic ability and the lack of knowledge that this kind of thing was contagious and not just linked to genetics.

That's why there's no incest, because they are humans with supernatural influences (on top of being based on an OS and likely not being aware of it).

Quote from: Bella on August 01, 2014, 12:58:37 pm
On the subject of NT-tan's beau, I imagine 95-tan would best fit the bill. In our canon(s), 95-tan and NT-tan are close friends already, and 3.1-tan is viewed as something of a motherly/senior figure to the "newer" generations of Windows-tans.


I was debating that to try for accuracy, but I was heavily leaning towards 95. 3.1 isn't that much older than either of them, but she is planned to be seen as a model person that both of them heavily respect.

Quote from: Bella on August 01, 2014, 12:58:37 pm
As for names, interesting you used Cutler also: RSX, VMS and VAXELN-tan are Risa, Vanessa and Ellen Cutler, respectively. (The name becomes unintentionally punny when you consider that they're all supposed to be brilliant swordswomen.) Though the named-after-real-life-creators convention does get difficult when dealing with newer corporate OSes, many of which have large development teams and no one true creator. This is why I've never attempted it for either the Windows or Apple families. Though you've proven that it can be done, if you're willing to ignore some of the effects on continuity (i.e. the Windows-tans being canonically Japanese, or at least residing in Japan).


The only reason why I could do it for 95-tan is because the Chicago project has a lot of public information surrounding it, and alongside NT-tan and possibly 2k-tan if you want to say Cutler is NT's maiden name, they are the only Windows-tans whom could easily have a real name applied to them based off of the creator. Sure, by proxy I could have the later versions of 9x and NT have their surnames, but it still breaks canon and the guy in charge of the Windows 2000 project is Jim Allchin (or at least was the guy who decided that Windows 2000 doesn't have a codename), but Cutler was involved with the Windows 2000 project.

As you can tell, it isn't easy, but it is possible with (some of) the Windows-tans. I don't know enough about the Mac-tans to be able to let you know how I'd name them, however.
Title: Re: On Topic[less]
Post by: Bella on August 02, 2014, 09:45:57 pm
Hmm, s'not too far off the mark from our conclusions about NT-tan's "birth". According to C-chan (who got the ball rolling on the creation of the wider OS-tan universe as we know it) both NT-tan and Windows 1.0-tan were created in the lab, so the biggest difference in your story universe is what happened after her creation.

Interestingly, you can draw a parallel between NT-tan being placed in VMS-tan's care and subsequently rejected with the commercial non-success of Windows NT on the DEC Alpha architecture (which was then the primary architecture for VMS), support for which was dropped after version 4.0.

Quote from: winduko on August 01, 2014, 03:21:19 pm
NT-tan thinks that it's under wraps, and only two or three people aside from her and her biological mother know. It's not hard to figure out, so those whom have seen Sharkwoman unmasked know. The only reason why not everyone would know is because not many have seen Sharkwoman unmasked.


In our story canon, only two -tans are CONFIRMED to have knowledge of NT's and VMS-tan's relationship, Windows 2K and Unix-tan. I would argue that the DECs and senior-ish minicomputer and mainframe-tans also know, but the DEC's certainly aren't talking and the mainframes undoubtedly give zero fucks about it, making it more-or-less a non-issue. I imagine few contemporary-tans are aware of VMS's presence, much less what she looks like beneath the mask. (An allusion to VMS being such a niche OS these days.)

QuoteI'm going to find a way to incorporate OS/2-tan into NT-tan's backstory. I can't ignore the influence of OS/2 on Windows NT.


According to the Annex Project, they're supposed to be half-sisters. Of course ... not quite in the usual human sense of the word, so IDK how that would translate into your universe.

QuoteWell, the OS-tans in my work are very close to human. In fact, the only thing that separates them from other humans is that, for the most part, they live in a secluded city to contain their supernatural abilities. It has spread to other places thanks to the fact that one person was allowed outside, and she reproduced. Thankfully, not everyone has the genetics needed to develop such abilities, and the only reasons why that one person was allowed to leave was because of her lack of genetic ability and the lack of knowledge that this kind of thing was contagious and not just linked to genetics.

That's why there's no incest, because they are humans with supernatural influences (on top of being based on an OS and likely not being aware of it).


Fair enough! There seems to be some royal-family-type-logic going on in my story universe -- related systems (either by blood or faction) tend to pair up. LINC/PDP-8, Unix/Linux, Plan9/Slackware, PDP-11/various Unices, etc. Then again, despite being near-copies of human beings biologically, they're decidedly not human, and people in general seem to stay out of their relationships for the most part.

QuoteAs you can tell, it isn't easy, but it is possible with (some of) the Windows-tans. I don't know enough about the Mac-tans to be able to let you know how I'd name them, however.


Really, the only real-life surname I could even imagine giving the Mac-tans is "Jobs", and that could be problematic for a variety of reasons.
Title: Re: On Topic[less]
Post by: Penti-chan on August 02, 2014, 11:50:54 pm
Quote from: Bella on August 02, 2014, 09:45:57 pm
Interestingly, you can draw a parallel between NT-tan being placed in VMS-tan's care and subsequently rejected with the commercial non-success of Windows NT on the DEC Alpha architecture (which was then the primary architecture for VMS), support for which was dropped after version 4.0


As a fun fact, very early beta builds of Windows 2000 still had Alpha support; I'll have to dig through my notes from when I was still tinkering with the beta versions to figure out when support was dropped.
Title: Re: On Topic[less]
Post by: winduko on August 03, 2014, 12:34:50 am
Quote from: Bella on August 02, 2014, 09:45:57 pm
Hmm, s'not too far off the mark from our conclusions about NT-tan's "birth". According to C-chan (who got the ball rolling on the creation of the wider OS-tan universe as we know it) both NT-tan and Windows 1.0-tan were created in the lab, so the biggest difference in your story universe is what happened after her creation.


While I do agree on NT-tan, in my universe, Windows 1.0-tan was not made artificially. However, her mother and aunt, MS-DOS-tan and PC-DOS-tan respectively, are artificial humans, so Windows 1.0-tan is half-artificial human, her daughters are a quarter-artificial human, her granddaughters are an eighth-artificial human, and so on (granddaughers are as far as I've gotten however, and I doubt it'll expand beyond that with OS-tans).

MS-DOS-tan and PC-DOS-tan were made in a completely different way than NT-tan, however. The former two were made with magic, while the latter was made with technology.

Quote from: Bella on August 02, 2014, 09:45:57 pm
Interestingly, you can draw a parallel between NT-tan being placed in VMS-tan's care and subsequently rejected with the commercial non-success of Windows NT on the DEC Alpha architecture (which was then the primary architecture for VMS), support for which was dropped after version 4.0.


Ahh. Good to know there's a historical explanation for this. I didn't think about that.

Quote from: Bella on August 02, 2014, 09:45:57 pm
In our story canon, only two -tans are CONFIRMED to have knowledge of NT's and VMS-tan's relationship, Windows 2K and Unix-tan. I would argue that the DECs and senior-ish minicomputer and mainframe-tans also know, but the DEC's certainly aren't talking and the mainframes undoubtedly give zero fucks about it, making it more-or-less a non-issue. I imagine few contemporary-tans are aware of VMS's presence, much less what she looks like beneath the mask. (An allusion to VMS being such a niche OS these days.)


That makes sense now that I think about it. This whole thing.

Few people are aware of Sharkwoman's impact in superheroism, but her impact is still felt by society as a whole through the actions of her biological daughter (kind of) and granddaughter, especially the latter. That's how VMS being a niche OS would easily translate into my world, as well as the effects of the Windows NT line as a whole (kind of, as the span of time is not historically accurate, because it is more accurate to human life spans, but I try to make it as equal as possible and sometimes that just can't be done).

Quote from: Bella on August 02, 2014, 09:45:57 pm
According to the Annex Project, they're supposed to be half-sisters. Of course ... not quite in the usual human sense of the word, so IDK how that would translate into your universe.


Not too well. However, now that I think about it, there probably still wouldn't be incest if they were half-sisters, but there's the matter of significant age difference because this is one of those situations that calls for a lack of syncing with real life age differences. OS/2-tan's mother is the aforementioned PC-DOS-tan, and Windows 1.0-tan is her cousin and childhood friend. Windows 1.0-tan is Windows 95-tan's mother, and I already said that NT-tan is 95-tan's lover. This could easily work without the latter pairing being incest though.

However, the age differences between OS/2-tan and NT-tan don't exactly matter as the latter is an artificial human. I'm going to leave it ambiguous at the moment.

But I do have a backup plan. OS/2-tan is supposed to be the post-defection Cairo's mentor. Because 95-tan and NT-tan were Cairo's peers, maybe they (possibly barring 95-tan, as it could be historically accurate either way) temporarily trained under OS/2-tan and later defected from her, but Cairo defected again and stayed under OS/2-tan's wing.

Quote from: Bella on August 02, 2014, 09:45:57 pm
Fair enough! There seems to be some royal-family-type-logic going on in my story universe -- related systems (either by blood or faction) tend to pair up. LINC/PDP-8, Unix/Linux, Plan9/Slackware, PDP-11/various Unices, etc. Then again, despite being near-copies of human beings biologically, they're decidedly not human, and people in general seem to stay out of their relationships for the most part.


Actually, the Unices and Linuces aren't exactly humans, but I think (but I don't exactly remember if I did or not) I mentioned this a while ago and that's another can of worms. Even then, they can create humans (Xenix created the aforementioned MS-DOS-tan and PC-DOS-tan as advanced [being the best word I can use] clones of QDOS-tan) and reproduce with humans (this is why the OS X-tans exist).

Also, funny that you mention royal families. Royal (sort of) families are a fairly important thing in the area where they live (being sorta disconnected from the rest of America might do that to a city). The two major ones (the ones that represent Mac and Windows) have a feud of sorts, but it shows signs of stopping in the near future. The only people who are currently interested in perpetuating the situation are the current leaders of the families, 95-tan and Mac OS X-tan (the one that represents all of the versions to some degree).

Amusingly enough, NT-tan and Rhapsody-tan, the ones with the job description of "preventing the leader from doing any action she probably will regret when it comes to the other family" are extremely close friends. I believe this part is already in the expanded universe.

Quote from: Bella on August 02, 2014, 09:45:57 pm
Really, the only real-life surname I could even imagine giving the Mac-tans is "Jobs", and that could be problematic for a variety of reasons.


The OS X-tans? I feel inclined to say yes because NeXTSTEP. Classic Mac-tans? No. Just no.

Quote from: PentiumMMX on August 02, 2014, 11:50:54 pm
As a fun fact, very early beta builds of Windows 2000 still had Alpha support; I'll have to dig through my notes from when I was still tinkering with the beta versions to figure out when support was dropped.


I think this is the rationale for VMS-tan's mentor-student relationship with 2k-tan? And if it wasn't...

...look at this historic evidence! There, now we have a reason historically to do that.

More specifically the DEC Multia, the variety of Alpha-based (and Intel-based) that's to run Windows NT in the first place.

This easily translates to VMS-tan training 2k-tan, but 2k-tan eventually moved on. This is more or less what happened in my canon anyways.

There are other ways to interpret that, but I'm going to choose to interpret that the way I have stated.
Title: Re: On Topic[less]
Post by: Krizonar on August 04, 2014, 04:38:54 pm
Quote from: winduko on August 03, 2014, 12:34:50 am
The OS X-tans? I feel inclined to say yes because NeXTSTEP. Classic Mac-tans? No. Just no.

He was the founder of the company and was the leader of the Macintosh project.

Any reason for the no?
Title: Re: On Topic[less]
Post by: Bella on August 04, 2014, 04:50:26 pm
Quote from: Krizonar on August 04, 2014, 04:38:54 pm
He was the founder of the company and was the leader of the Macintosh project.

Any reason for the no?


I was wondering the same thing.

I presume it has to do with Steve Jobs being forced from Apple, but if it was a "family name" by then I'm not sure why it would change.

Quote from: winduko on August 03, 2014, 12:34:50 am
Amusingly enough, NT-tan and Rhapsody-tan, the ones with the job description of "preventing the leader from doing any action she probably will regret when it comes to the other family" are extremely close friends. I believe this part is already in the expanded universe.


Sure enough. NT-tan and Rhapsody-tan are considered the de-facto "diplomats" of their families and are actually good friends with one another. As seen in the wiki logo (http://ostan-collections.net/wiki/index.php/Main_Page). ^_^
Title: Re: On Topic[less]
Post by: Penti-chan on August 04, 2014, 05:02:35 pm
Wouldn't Apple I-tan's last name be Wozniak; given that Woz was the lead designer of the Apple I?
Title: Re: On Topic[less]
Post by: winduko on August 04, 2014, 05:21:16 pm
Quote from: Krizonar on August 04, 2014, 04:38:54 pm
He was the founder of the company and was the leader of the Macintosh project.

Any reason for the no?


Quote from: Bella on August 04, 2014, 04:50:26 pm
I was wondering the same thing.

I presume it has to do with Steve Jobs being forced from Apple, but if it was a "family name" by then I'm not sure why it would change.


Oh. I didn't know that. Thank you.

My reasoning was because he also was the leader of the Lisa project but it failed as a result of the Macintosh project's sorta success?(I admit to having no right to saying that now that I think about it) and therefore because of what Bella said. I had no idea about Jobs leading the Macintosh project. I should have researched more before I said anything. ^^;

Quote from: Bella on August 04, 2014, 04:50:26 pm
Sure enough. NT-tan and Rhapsody-tan are considered the de-facto "diplomats" of their families and are actually good friends with one another. As seen in the wiki logo (http://ostan-collections.net/wiki/index.php/Main_Page). ^_^


Very good indeed.

They even have more points (mostly in my fanon, but some historical parallels to note are included) to bond over besides their shared duties:


Quote from: PentiumMMX on August 04, 2014, 05:02:35 pm
Wouldn't Apple I-tan's last name be Wozniak; given that Woz was the lead designer of the Apple I?


Good idea. In my fanon it's her maiden name.

Title: Re: On Topic[less]
Post by: Krizonar on August 04, 2014, 05:23:27 pm
Quote from: PentiumMMX on August 04, 2014, 05:02:35 pm
Wouldn't Apple I-tan's last name be Wozniak; given that Woz was the lead designer of the Apple I?

Very oddly, yes, it would have a different last name than all the others due to its complete design by him.

Quote from: winduko on August 04, 2014, 05:21:16 pm
Oh. I didn't know that. Thank you.


He was the leader for the Lisa project, but was also the leader of the Macintosh project at a later time. It's alright, it simply had me puzzled.
Title: Re: On Topic[less]
Post by: Bella on August 04, 2014, 05:40:20 pm
The (proto-Macintosh) Apple family are all surnamed Appletree (English) or Ringo (Japanese) according to Aurora.  (http://ostan-collections.net/wiki/index.php/OS-tan_Human_Names)

And I'm deferring this to her, since they're her (hers' and C-chan's, in some cases) designs and while i'm okay modifying the "canon" -tans slightly here and there, I don't feel it's a good idea to mess around too much with other people's personal designs w/o their agreement.

In other news, can we talk about how much of a Boston Marriage Whirlwind and MTC-tan have going on?

For the uninitiated, a Boston Marriage (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boston_marriage) was a historic social phenomena involving two women living together independent of male support in a time period when this was exceedingly rare. It was considered very progressive and perhaps a little taboo; the women involved were generally intellectuals, social-progressives and feminists who sought to free themselves from dependance on men. It didn't necessarily involve a romantic or sexual component, although I imagine it occurred in some cases.

>Literally live in (greater) Boston
>Be Whirlwind and MTC
>Be highly educated engineer & nurse (probably closer to nurse-practitioner [a.k.a. almost-doctor] with midwifery skills too), respectively
>Live together in same residence for years. Do normal, coupley, domestic things together.
>Have & raise several children (at least two of which biologically belong to the both of them)
>Be dependent on each other (MTC needs Whirlwind for monetary support, Whirlwind needs MTC for medical care, they both need each others' companionship)
>Bonus: Unintentionally found a new faction (DEC) and whole new freaking class of computer-tans together (minicomputers are their heirs)
>Be best friends, soul mates, life partners
>But somehow simultaneously not be gay for one another
>Because you're both married to your respective fields of work
Title: Re: On Topic[less]
Post by: Penti-chan on August 04, 2014, 05:59:44 pm
Interesting; I've never actually heard of that concept before, but it is interesting, and does seem to fit those two :3

Also, didn't know there was already a last name for the pre-Mac Apple-tans. Good to know, if they ever pop up in my stories -w-;
Title: Re: On Topic[less]
Post by: Krizonar on August 04, 2014, 06:00:21 pm
Quote from: Bella on August 04, 2014, 05:40:20 pm
The (proto-Macintosh) Apple family are all surnamed Appletree (English) or Ringo (Japanese) according to Aurora.  (http://ostan-collections.net/wiki/index.php/OS-tan_Human_Names)

And I'm deferring this to her, since they're her (hers' and C-chan's, in some cases) designs and while i'm okay modifying the "canon" -tans slightly here and there, I don't feel it's a good idea to mess around too much with other people's personal designs w/o their agreement.


I'm going to pull you aside before you go full retro mode, possibly slipping into an ancient romance novel I would need to consult Leopard on due to my cluelessness.

I see on this chart (that I have not seen prior to now) that Hisca is apparently the accepted name for System 3, but that System 4 and System 7 have "no names." While it makes me happy a name I came up with seems accepted, I find this odd, as, along with Hisca, I came up with names for both of them as well, being Semm (System 4) and Pleiades (System 7).

I wonder why one name I came up with was adopted but the others are still "(none yet)", slip of the mind?
Title: Re: On Topic[less]
Post by: Bella on August 04, 2014, 06:15:49 pm
Quote from: Krizonar on August 04, 2014, 06:00:21 pmI wonder why one name I came up with was adopted but the others are still "(none yet)", slip of the mind?


I imagine they were most likely accidentally overlooked. Especially since Aurora created the majority of the chart (I contributed names for some of my and Stew's characters, since those are the only I can speak with confidence about) and she seems to have supported most of your Mac-tan contributions.

The only other explanation is she already had/has names in mind -- although I can't recall any proposals. Not that it's my area of expertise, mind you. ^^;

Quote from: Krizonar on August 04, 2014, 06:00:21 pm
I'm going to pull you aside before you go full retro mode, possibly slipping into an ancient romance novel I would need to consult Leopard on due to my cluelessness.


Funny you should mention needing to consult Leopard-tan, I've considered writing "history" texts written from her point of view. :P

Quote from: PentiumMMX on August 04, 2014, 05:59:44 pm
Interesting; I've never actually heard of that concept before, but it is interesting, and does seem to fit those two :3


Boston Marriage has always fascinated me, since it seems like such a progressive and novel concept for that time period. I also find romantic friendships (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romantic_friendship) pretty interesting, since it closely mirrors relatively "new" ideas of sexuality, romance and relationships. (For instance the sexual--romantic divide, asexuality, queer-platonic relationships and other things that have only began to enter the sphere of wider public knowledge.)
Title: Re: On Topic[less]
Post by: Krizonar on August 04, 2014, 06:29:28 pm
Quote from: Bella on August 04, 2014, 06:15:49 pm
I imagine they were most likely accidentally overlooked. Especially since Aurora created the majority of the chart (I contributed names for some of my and Stew's characters, since those are the only I can speak with confidence about) and she seems to have supported most of your Mac-tan contributions.

Ah, I see, that's perfectly fine, I know Aurora is very busy, was just curious to why it was like that. Then again, I actually havn't updated my Apple family tree in years. I'm bad :P

I was actually immensely happy she seemed to like the names and general story tweaks I came up with all those years ago. I was super surprised and highly humbled in general when people I knew were OSC forumers came and were like "I liek dis".

Quote from: Bella on August 04, 2014, 06:15:49 pm
Funny you should mention needing to consult Leopard-tan, I've considered writing "history" texts written from her point of view. :P

Well when you start talking pre-Apple history I lose my place. I need a guide, an adult, halp. Such texts would be very useful.
Title: Re: On Topic[less]
Post by: stewartsage on August 04, 2014, 06:54:51 pm
Just as a point of reference, none of what Bells says about Whirlwind and MTC is actually in my stories or could be inferred.  Namely because I ignored making an MTC-tan before writing most of the parts Whirlwind has appeared in so far because she didn't seem very important.

Whirlwind is less 'married to work' and more 'unsure if she can or should feel attraction to other sentients', what with being a very early -tan and all.  At least in my own works the first generation were basically confused adolescents when it came to romance/love because they sort of just sprang into existence with a complex set of emotions, etc. that were "human" while they most definitely weren't, despite outward appearances.
Title: Re: On Topic[less]
Post by: Bella on August 04, 2014, 07:38:24 pm
It's to be expected, considering you created one half of the family (Whirlwind, SAGE) and I the other (MTC, TX-0 and PDP-1). I reject your claim that MTC was insignificant however, considering it was Ken-motherflippin-Olsen's first computer and contributed heavily to TX-0, TX-2 and the PDP-1, which were essentially the first "modern" computers (in the sense of being fully interactive, configurable and more oriented toward single-user use) and earliest ancestors of the machines residing in our homes today.

That said, you've never written (or perhaps more accurately, released) any work that contradicted what I've said. And nothing I've written runs contrary to anything you've released, a conscious decision on my part. Even if it did, however, all we know about Whirlwind-tan is written from the point of view of modern-day SAGE, a supremely unreliable narrator -- considering her memory is swiss cheese by the time she gets around to chronicling her life.

Going by real-life historic occurrences, we have the fact that Whirlwind and MTC contributed equally to their descendants, that MTC was vital in the operation/upkeep of Whirlwind and was the first computer Ken Olsen designed, undoubtedly shaping his vision for DEC. All of these things are fairly straight-forward to translate into OS-tan terms -- I don't see what the ambiguity could be.

Quote from: stewartsage on August 04, 2014, 06:54:51 pm
Whirlwind is less 'married to work' and more 'unsure if she can or should feel attraction to other sentients', what with being a very early -tan and all.  At least in my own works the first generation were basically confused adolescents when it came to romance/love because they sort of just sprang into existence with a complex set of emotions, etc. that were "human" while they most definitely weren't, despite outward appearances.


Isn't this a tomatoes/tomatoes situation?

Is being, let us say, romantically non-inclined due to various external factors (work interference, past bad experiences, trauma, etc.) functionally different from being romantically non-inclined due to internal factors like personal biology or psychology ("born that way")? Furthermore, does being unsure of ones' romantic feelings necessarily make it impossible, or even unlikely, for romantic feelings to exist?

Especially when placed in a situation with somebody who's going through essentially the same set of circumstances (MTC-tan).
Title: Re: On Topic[less]
Post by: Chocofreak13 on August 04, 2014, 10:28:30 pm
Quote from: Bella on August 04, 2014, 05:40:20 pm
while i'm okay modifying the "canon" -tans slightly here and there


*hiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiss*

Quote from: winduko on August 04, 2014, 05:21:16 pm
Good idea. In my fanon it's her maiden name.


>Wozniack is supposed Maiden Name
>Rest of Macs are Jobs
>Implying there was a marrage somewhere along the line

THANKYOU FOR PLANTING THE SEEDS OF JOBS/WOZ YAOI, KID
Title: Re: On Topic[less]
Post by: winduko on August 04, 2014, 10:44:30 pm
Quote from: Chocofreak13 on August 04, 2014, 10:28:30 pm
>Wozniack is supposed Maiden Name
>Rest of Macs are Jobs
>Implying there was a marrage somewhere along the line

THANKYOU FOR PLANTING THE SEEDS OF JOBS/WOZ YAOI, KID


oops

To be fair, it doesn't apply to my fanon. Wozinak is only Apple I-tan's maiden name, while everyone else is McUll in my fanon. Apple I married a guy named Steve McUll (named after both Woz and Jobs thank you).

but that doesn't sound like a bad idea even if it isn't canon at all in my fanon.

it's actually a good idea

a very good idea
Title: Re: On Topic[less]
Post by: Bella on August 04, 2014, 10:53:02 pm
Since I meant to reply before, but I forgot:

Quote from: Krizonar on August 04, 2014, 06:29:28 pm
Ah, I see, that's perfectly fine, I know Aurora is very busy, was just curious to why it was like that. Then again, I actually havn't updated my Apple family tree in years. I'm bad :P


Yeah, probably just an oversight! It's a pretty big section so it's understandable that things could get forgotten/passed up.

...tbh I feel like a lot of mine need editing too. I've made enough changes to my -tan family structure (particularly the DECs) that it probably warrants an overhaul.

QuoteI was actually immensely happy she seemed to like the names and general story tweaks I came up with all those years ago. I was super surprised and highly humbled in general when people I knew were OSC forumers came and were like "I liek dis".


I had a similar experience when I joined OSC. I was sure I wouldn't fit in because I had a lot of original ideas, but lo and behold C-chan, Aurora, Tsubashi and countless others welcomed me with open arms. It was great!

There's always been a pretty strong sense of acceptance for people who're just willing to talk about OS-tan matters, create and world-build in general. It's a pretty small fan community, so every member counts even if we don't always see totally eye-to-eye on our interpretations of the OS-tanverse. :D

QuoteWell when you start talking pre-Apple history I lose my place. I need a guide, an adult, halp. Such texts would be very useful.


Yeaaaah, it gets pretty ... confusing past a point. I would really like to write a sort of introductory text (written in an in-universe style) and maybe some infographics and stuff. Call it "UNDERSTANDING COMPUTER CULTURE: A Guide For Humans" or something like that. But I really don't know where to start. ^_^;;


........ On a totally unrelated note, I was roaming around Wikipedia earlier and this describes Linux/Unix affection eerily well. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Courtly_love) Now I want to draw knight!Linux and queen!Unix........... >_>
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Post by: winduko on August 04, 2014, 11:03:09 pm
Quote from: Bella on August 04, 2014, 10:53:02 pm
There's always been a pretty strong sense of acceptance for people who're just willing to talk about OS-tan matters, create and world-build in general. It's a pretty small fan community, so every member counts even if we don't always see totally eye-to-eye on our interpretations of the OS-tanverse. :D


I'll admit that not our seeing eye-to-eye on things is, in fact, rather helpful to me. Discussing the major differences between our universes helped me brainstorm for my universe. I find that this kind of disagreement has, if anything, made progress.

The disagreements have helped my fanon significantly, and I hope it continues to help it even more. :)
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Post by: Bella on August 05, 2014, 01:18:01 pm
I'm glad to hear it. Different viewpoints can spark ideas and story directions which would never have occurred to us without them, or at the very least offer some food for thought.
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Post by: winduko on August 05, 2014, 01:35:00 pm
My OS-tan universe is a WIP, and it always will be. Then again, aren't all fictional universes that way?




My brother kinda looks like ME-kun and ME-kun is hella adorable so now my brother's hella adorable.

I didn't tell him to do that. He doesn't need to know just how much of a weirdo I am.
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Post by: Aurora Borealis on August 05, 2014, 03:14:18 pm
I don't know how much I have to contribute at the moment, but I've been reading through this. I like that there are different personal canons that are still a large part mutually compatible with each other, while not trampling over the Japanese-established canon.

However, OSC canon has a different Windows 1.0-tan than the Japanese canon does, and I think that's okay, if we refer to them as OSC!1.0-tan and Futaba!1.0-tan. Apparently, both characters were created around the same time (I remember seeing some of the Futaba!1.0-tan drawings back from 2006, but didn't know that was a 1.0-tan design), but we didn't know of Futaba!1.0-tan until much later.
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Post by: Bella on August 05, 2014, 03:54:56 pm
@Aurora: I'm happy to hear you've been reading even if you don't have anything to contribute right now. Honestly the Windows-tans are a bit out of my scope of knowledge (with the exception of NT-tan, and that's only because of the NT--VMS connection) but I like reading theories for them nonetheless!

Also, I can still remember being a little shocked when I discovered Futaba's 1.0-tan, since OSC's 1.0-tan was the first one I'd been introduced to. ^^'

As for personal canons, I'm quite pleased they have large areas of mutually-compatibility as well. Perhaps it helps that most of the people here have different areas of interest (be it Windows, Macs, Unices, or very old/obscure OS-tans) allowing a greater margin of flexibility.

@Winduko: Indeed, the work of building a fictional world can never really be completed, I don't think.
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Post by: Chocofreak13 on August 06, 2014, 12:04:53 am
if i recall there was a Futaba 2.0-tan as well, but she's just a bitch to find. even i (in all of my pic-gathering travels) have only seen one or two of her. :0
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Post by: Bella on August 10, 2014, 01:34:47 pm
Wasn't it, like, a blonde girl in bloomers? Or am I misremembering things?

Also, we need moar topics to discuss. But I can't think of anything.

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Post by: Penti-chan on August 10, 2014, 01:54:52 pm
Plan 9-tan's wardrobe, perhaps?
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Post by: Chocofreak13 on August 10, 2014, 02:06:48 pm
yes, she was blonde with blue or grey eyes, but if i recall she was either in a kimono or a lolita outfit. she was with 1.0 and 3.1 in matching outfits, though, so that may not be accurate.
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Post by: Bella on August 10, 2014, 10:25:10 pm
@Kari: Hmm, I don't remember that picture in particular. The one I saw she was just wearing a simple shirt and bloomers.

Quote from: PentiumMMX on August 10, 2014, 01:54:52 pm
Plan 9-tan's wardrobe, perhaps?


Ratty casual wear, various thrift shop finds, a really low-cut slinky formal dress (http://bellacielo.deviantart.com/art/Plan-9-tan-and-Inferno-chan-104126709), sweaters, several men's suits, a spacesuit (http://kattlanna.deviantart.com/art/Plan-9-family-105447450), "hot magenta spandex, an overly-sequined Elvis jacket and the special hat with the Christmas lights" (http://kattlanna.deviantart.com/art/OS-tan-sketches-6-162110773) (read the comments), a complete Cirno cosplay (https://code.google.com/p/plan9front/wiki/Mascot), an Evangelion plugsuit (http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s320/BellasOS-tans/evaplan9-2.png), fireproof hazard suit for dealing with inferno-chan's .... incidents.
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Post by: Penti-chan on August 10, 2014, 11:49:25 pm
Quote from: Bella on August 10, 2014, 10:25:10 pm
various thrift shop finds


"I wear your granddad's clothes; I look incredible"
- my mental thought on what Plan 9-tan would be saying to everyone
I blame my sister for introducing me to that song
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Post by: Bella on August 11, 2014, 11:53:56 am
Well she IS into 50s kitsch.

Also, Thrift Shop is a guilty pleasure of mine. -_-
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Post by: Penti-chan on August 20, 2014, 12:40:03 pm
LOL -w-;

You know, I had a random thought. How do you think the DEC-tans would feel about HP and/or Compaq? I don't think it'd be favourable, but I'm not 100% sure
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Post by: Bella on August 22, 2014, 02:32:56 pm
Quote from: PentiumMMX on August 20, 2014, 12:40:03 pm
LOL -w-;

You know, I had a random thought. How do you think the DEC-tans would feel about HP and/or Compaq? I don't think it'd be favourable, but I'm not 100% sure


I could have sworn I answered this a few days ago. Maybe I wrote a reply, previewed it and then navigated away without posting it. ><

Anyway, as I wrote before, I imagine the DEC-tans would feel resentment toward Compaq and HP. Granted, their culture was pretty much in ruins by the time Compaq "conquered" them so it wasn't quite the embarrassment it would've been if they'd been overtaken at the height of their power, but it was a final shame in the downfall of their civilization.
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Post by: Penti-chan on August 22, 2014, 04:25:50 pm
Mmm. So, the look on my face (http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x283/The_Real_PentiumMMX/Timey%20wimey%20stuff/The_Sacred_Realm/100_7469.jpg~original) would be pretty accurate -w-
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Post by: winduko on September 12, 2014, 08:50:49 am
OS-tan fanfic coming Soon™.

Writing one for a class because I can
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Post by: Penti-chan on September 12, 2014, 09:34:18 am
Cool :3

I honestly need to finish my main story -w-;
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Post by: winduko on September 12, 2014, 10:53:50 am
I said soon because I don't know when I'll finish it, as my teacher reads what we write over the weekend. I have no issue with this normally, but it still means that I can't transcribe from where I wrote it to a rich text editor. If she wasn't, I'd definitely would have the transcription done tonight and final draft on maybe Sunday?
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Post by: Penti-chan on September 12, 2014, 11:09:29 am
Mmm. In my case, it's just laziness as far as why my story isn't finished -w-;
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Post by: winduko on September 12, 2014, 11:16:28 am
I can't say I won't not do things out of laziness, as that is how I work. xD

I only waited this long to begin out of laziness. But the more "professional" reason is that I was updating the Universe. Which I was too but that was because I was lazy.
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Post by: Chocofreak13 on September 12, 2014, 10:43:27 pm
hahaha, that's awesome, using it for a goddamn class. xD

hope you get an A. -w-
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Post by: winduko on September 12, 2014, 11:03:35 pm
It gets better: It's 95/NT femslash.

Nothing explicit, but the fact is that I wrote OS-tan femslash for a class in school. I also was guaranteed to not get in trouble too, I think. The teacher said that, unless if the writer's life is in immediate danger, the writings are kept between the writer and the teacher. It's also the first primarily romance fanfic I wrote.

For the class I made it implicit, as no physical descriptions are added and the most obvious hint towards them being personifications of OSes is that 95-tan is referred to as Chicago within the story. However I'll edit in physical descriptions later. I also don't know if I should keep the human names in or not, but I'm leaning very heavily for keeping the human names.

In my (new) project, Zettai Windows, it's currently ambiguous on whether or not the OS-tans are human or not because I really don't feel like addressing it now. This fanfic is the first one written for it, but probably not going to be the first one published.

Also, Zettai Windows is more of a slice-of-life than my previous ideas, and it focuses primarily on the 3.1/95/NT trio. It's a collection of humourous short stories with the trio in it. The fanfic in question only has those three characters.
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Post by: Bella on September 13, 2014, 09:10:41 am
Quote from: winduko on September 12, 2014, 11:03:35 pm
It gets better: It's 95/NT femslash.

Nothing explicit, but the fact is that I wrote OS-tan femslash for a class in school. I also was guaranteed to not get in trouble too, I think. The teacher said that, unless if the writer's life is in immediate danger, the writings are kept between the writer and the teacher. It's also the first primarily romance fanfic I wrote.


You are undeniably awesome, Winduko. :D

If it turns out well AND you feel like it I hope you share it with us!

QuoteFor the class I made it implicit, as no physical descriptions are added and the most obvious hint towards them being personifications of OSes is that 95-tan is referred to as Chicago within the story. However I'll edit in physical descriptions later. I also don't know if I should keep the human names in or not, but I'm leaning very heavily for keeping the human names.


Using human names is probably a good idea.

QuoteIn my (new) project, Zettai Windows, it's currently ambiguous on whether or not the OS-tans are human or not because I really don't feel like addressing it now. This fanfic is the first one written for it, but probably not going to be the first one published.

Also, Zettai Windows is more of a slice-of-life than my previous ideas, and it focuses primarily on the 3.1/95/NT trio. It's a collection of humourous short stories with the trio in it. The fanfic in question only has those three characters.


Interesting. NT & 3.1-tan are my two favorite Windows-tans so I hope to see more written about them.

As for the nature of OS-tans, I have a confession to make: I've actually been working on an in-universe, encyclopedia-style "guide" to OS-tans, and one of the things I (attempt) to discuss is the nature of their species. Of course very little is actually DOCUMENTED about what exactly they are or where they come from so I'm stuck at something of an impasse.

Still, I hope it'll be entertaining enough to read. I plan on including illustrations and charts and junk, lol.
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Post by: Chocofreak13 on September 13, 2014, 11:49:27 am
if you need help, i'm game. for one of my college classes we had to do an encyclopedia-type book and i wanted to use OS-tans, but the teacher shot me down since they weren't "my" characters (they're basically shared characters at this point....). funny thing is that was the second teacher to shoot down using OS-tans in my schoolwork, so i'm happy that someone's getting the chance. (the first one was going to be a clay box with ME-tan's bow as the handle, and OS-tan images on the sides. >>;;; )
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Post by: Penti-chan on September 13, 2014, 12:27:20 pm
@Bella: Neat :3
TBH I considered making a personal guidebook on the Director Who saga; to have everything major grouped together in one place, and most importantly, iron out details on the things from the old world continuity that I still consider canon.

...I also considered, since next August marks the 10th anniversary of The Adventures of Princess Lan, which is the first story of Director Who's old world continuity, writing some sort of story to celebrate. Whither I just have a short story or attempt a full-length story, I'm not sure yet; I first need to finish End of the Millennium before I make any plans.
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Post by: Chocofreak13 on September 13, 2014, 01:28:54 pm
go for eeeet, pent! and if inspiration fails you use the HOMOLUST prompt till you find one that fits your characters. xD
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Post by: winduko on September 15, 2014, 06:21:18 am
It's not even the first one. Last semester I did an art project where the subject was 95-tan. It didn't turn out well, and I do not know where the file is if I still have it, even if I wanted to share it I probably couldn't.
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Post by: Chocofreak13 on September 15, 2014, 03:54:07 pm
find it
and share it

and come to think of it, i HAVE used the OS-tans in a school project before! i made a comic book about getting acclamated to high school life called Read or Die that used them as characters. it was in coloured pencil and my art sucked a bit more back then than it does now....but i skipped school for like, a week to work on it and it came out so good that the teacher demanded a copy xD
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Post by: winduko on September 16, 2014, 08:59:20 am
I found it, and I debated about showing it, as it really sucks. And I had to go against major headcanons about 95-tan to have more material.

I will show it when I get home.

And awesome! Nice to see that I'm not the only one who wanted to do OS-tan stuff for school and got the opportunity to do so. xD

So far, I have done OS-tan stuff for three assignments, and the number will only increase.
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Post by: Penti-chan on September 16, 2014, 10:03:00 am
@Duko: Nice :3
Also, in terms of bad stories...my anti-masterpiece, The Return of Jamie (http://pentiummmx.deviantart.com/art/The-Return-of-Jamie-265052198?q=gallery%3APentiumMMX%2F33306035&qo=8), might make you feel better about yours -w-;
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Post by: winduko on September 16, 2014, 10:24:23 am
It's more of a bad collage, but both are art, so-

Holy shit, it's the best kind of bad. It's clearly written by a young child. It's kinda cute. xD

Edit: I have a lot of pride for my fanfics. It's just that the art predates my actively posting here.
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Post by: Penti-chan on September 16, 2014, 10:27:46 am
Mmm. I wrote that when I was 12, without assistance of spell check, and it shows -w-;
Glad you enjoyed it, though. TBH it's one of my works I consider to be so bad it's good :3
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Post by: winduko on September 16, 2014, 10:29:28 am
Kinda like how my brother types without spell check. Hell, probably how I'd have typed without it then.
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Post by: Chocofreak13 on September 16, 2014, 02:04:59 pm
ah, the follies of youth~


*cringes from the mere THOUGHT of my old, OLD art*
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Post by: winduko on September 16, 2014, 02:32:35 pm
Fact: Everything you make in middle school sucks. Really badly.
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Post by: Penti-chan on September 16, 2014, 02:35:33 pm
True that. Although, I tend to give free pass to the first Joey's Adventures in Video Games; as I consider it my first "decent" story
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Post by: winduko on September 16, 2014, 02:39:27 pm
Yeah. My stuff from 8th grade didn't suck badly, but Unfortunate Implications are everywhere in that stuff. So, yeah. It still was poor writing by the standards I hold myself to. I don't apply them to most people, however.
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Post by: Chocofreak13 on September 16, 2014, 02:46:49 pm
Fact: Everything About Middle School Sucks. Really Badly.
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Post by: winduko on September 16, 2014, 04:04:56 pm
Eh. I honestly consider my eighth grade year to be the best year of my life. That's probably because I got to have online friends for the first time in my life.

And as I promised:
Very crappy 95-tan picture (http://1drv.ms/Xxhgzj)

Explanation:
[spoiler]Well, the picture derives from that Windows 95 is the first Windows that was really viable for major gaming. I know 3.1 had some games, hell, I know we have a Myst CD some place, but Windows gaming really took off with 95.

But I had to use consoles, as it was easier to mess with them to make them look like 95-tan. I also had to use more of a variety of consoles, but I made an attempt to stick to the ones she'd likely approve of in some contexts. It was not easy, however, and I also broke this rule.

Also, the face is really fucked up, but everything else turned out alright except for some potential mismatched colours.[/spoiler]

Random Fact: The teacher of the class I made looks like System 7.5-tan. As you can tell, I'm rather hilarious.
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Post by: Chocofreak13 on September 16, 2014, 04:16:25 pm
that's awesome. as for the picture, it's fucking hilarious and so amazing. like, it bears some resemblance to 95 and you managed to do that with dots and an SNES controller. fucking beautiful. xD

also, 3.1 had quite a few games! i actually own some, though i've never used 3.1. don't knock treasure cove! :0
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Post by: winduko on September 16, 2014, 04:55:53 pm
3.1 wasn't well known for it though, or at least not as much as 95 was. I actually have a 3.1 virtual machine I use primarily to waste time with.
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Post by: Chocofreak13 on September 16, 2014, 05:24:19 pm
most of what i remember 95 doing is getting computers into every. fucking. home. on the planet. sure, they had the entertainment pack from microsoft, but if we want to talk machines specifically for gaming, XP and ME come to mind.
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Post by: Penti-chan on September 16, 2014, 07:45:35 pm
Quote from: winduko on September 16, 2014, 02:39:27 pm
Yeah. My stuff from 8th grade didn't suck badly, but Unfortunate Implications are everywhere in that stuff. So, yeah. It still was poor writing by the standards I hold myself to. I don't apply them to most people, however.


Indeed. Looking back on my stories, there are some instances of that; probably the most amusing one is with Adeleine's weapon of choice in Joey's Adventures being a whip, which at the time was chosen on basis of "oh, cool; Castlevania"...and then I learned of BDSM for the first time a few months after I finished the story ^^;;
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Post by: Chocofreak13 on September 16, 2014, 07:55:43 pm
now now, there are legitimate uses for a whip outside of BDSM. just look at Carnivals, Indiana Jones and Steven Universe.
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Post by: Penti-chan on September 17, 2014, 12:08:38 am
True -w-;

Now, some of my stories do have bits I honestly regret writing; this is very much a thing with the old world continuity of Director Who, and is the reason for the split between old and new. Even the final story of the old world continuity, which laid out much of the groundwork for Director Who and is even mentioned in the opening of the first story I posted, just isn't up to par to be in the new world continuity. The early stuff should go without saying; given I was still trying to figure out what I wanted to do, with some rather questionable decisions in terms of both the humor and plot points.
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Post by: Chocofreak13 on September 17, 2014, 12:36:31 am
you could think of it a bit like how i think of the first Ace's High comics: i take the spine and locations from it, but otherwise, they will never see the light of day again.
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Post by: Penti-chan on September 17, 2014, 01:18:29 am
Indeed. The new world continuity does acknowledge some events from the old world as still being canon; I've yet to go into full detail on what is and is not canon, and have considered establishing a personal guidebook just to help keep everything organized, and maybe it'll help to come up with the ideas for the concept I have floating around for a story to celebrate the 10th anniversary of the series as a whole (I haven't decided what I want to do, but I do know I want to do something).
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Post by: Chocofreak13 on September 17, 2014, 01:32:24 am
keeping continuity notes is always a good idea, especially when shit gets really big. s'the reason i have not only plot books, but character and location books for Ace's High.
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Post by: winduko on September 17, 2014, 05:58:13 am
Zettai Windows isn't going to have much of a continuity, but what little continuity there will be is going to be written down.

Edit: It is also nice to have a list of characters.


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Post by: Chocofreak13 on September 17, 2014, 01:15:46 pm
in my case it's kinda necessary as with background characters and the nun catalogue it likely numbers somewhere in the 200s
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Post by: NejinOniwa on September 17, 2014, 02:11:06 pm
>over 120 separate .txt files for lore, characters, politics, magical theory, physics, technology ETC
>26000+ years of backstory
>world map that actually covers the entire planet
>sidestory trilogy 1 book written, rewrite and sequels pending
>still not done with the first book of the main series
WE MUST PREPARE DEEPER
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Post by: Bella on September 17, 2014, 05:30:43 pm
I'm envious of people with world building skills. ;_;

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Post by: Chocofreak13 on September 17, 2014, 06:05:09 pm
@nej: as is to be expected of you, mashtur. -w-
@bells: i'd offer you tips, but idk where i'd begin. i just sorta blorped mine out, like i do with most things i write. :\

i suppose it always starts with thinking about where things are set. in the case of Ace's High, i knew it was a city, but i actually had to have voting on the City name because i couldn't decide. i ended up using all of the city names i made, though, just for different towns. xD

Europa has a specific location in that, well, it's set on Europa. but it doesn't STAY there, as there are other nearby moons which can (theoretically) support life, which end up getting explored as well (Titan, Ganymede, Callisto are 3 that can).
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Post by: Aurora Borealis on September 17, 2014, 06:14:48 pm
For my own original series, I try to write down all the details for my characters, setting, and plot. But it's largely disorganized, and there are a lot of ideas and character concepts I have in my head, that I haven't written down anywhere.
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Post by: winduko on September 18, 2014, 08:58:58 am
Oops teacher gave a prompt that allowed for important foe yay

She gave other prompts but I'm writing some 95/Sys7

Edit: It isn't quite foe yay, but they do team up against me for asking for them to make love right now.
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Post by: Chocofreak13 on September 18, 2014, 04:10:31 pm
lolwut

can that even count as a school assignment anymore

@aurora: i started off that way, but given my memory issues i found it more coherent to write EVERYTHING down, even if it was just on a post-it. the major stuff is kept in books but the Arc Listing and bare-bones of plot for some of them is written on a leaflet of notepad paper (vury old, lol).

it's also helpful to write this shit down because in the event that i die Bella is taking Ace's High over. *w*;;;
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Post by: winduko on September 18, 2014, 04:33:51 pm
We live in a day and age in which we can write yuri about mid-90s operating systems for legitimate high school assignments and not get counted off for it.

Okay, the teacher doesn't know what I'm doing fully. She should be aware of the yuri part, but not the mid-90s operating systems part.

I'm making it a goal to make all of my future creative writing assignments OS-tan related.
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Post by: Chocofreak13 on September 18, 2014, 05:40:43 pm
i just hope it's not too graphic, lest you get called into the principal's office or something. :\
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Post by: winduko on September 18, 2014, 05:53:52 pm
I doubt the teacher would actually mind sex, but I don't want to actually write sex scenes, and I want to stay on the safe side anyways.

Honestly, I feel very confident in my safety.
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Post by: Chocofreak13 on September 18, 2014, 06:04:17 pm
no, it's the right thing to do. NEVER write sex scenes for school, even in college. >>;
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Post by: winduko on September 18, 2014, 06:20:33 pm
Very right.

I say I'm safe because I don't want to ever ever write sex scenes, let alone sex scenes for school, where there could be a lot of risks involved, even if the teacher probably won't mind.

I consider it risky enough that I'm writing lesbians all over the place. I really don't need to include sex scenes.

To be fair, I am more daring because I wrote that 95/NT fic and I didn't get in trouble for it. It was very implicit however, and later fics make their relationship far more explicit, such as them referring to the other as her wife. Still no sex though.
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Post by: Chocofreak13 on September 18, 2014, 08:40:38 pm
i wouldn't really call "wife" explicit. if anything, i admire that you're willing to do that (write gay characters in school), even without the draw of fandom. homosexuality is becoming more accepted but it's still not the norm, so it's refreshing to see that someone is so willing to push forward with it. or at least that's probably what your teacher thinks.
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Post by: winduko on September 18, 2014, 09:22:52 pm
I'm positve she thinks that. It wasn't the first time she's read about gay characters. Another girl in the same class shared a fanfic where Sherlock was waiting in a line and really wanted Watson by his side, and it wasn't hard to tell that Sherlock liked Watson in that way. After she finished, she stated that they were in a gay relationship.
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Post by: Chocofreak13 on September 18, 2014, 09:47:02 pm
:3

i'm glad schools have gotten to this point.
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Post by: winduko on September 19, 2014, 10:29:36 am
I am writing a fanfic with the original trio, and I was more inclined to talk about their sex lives, specifically 2k and XP's but I won't, at least not for the school version.
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Post by: Penti-chan on September 19, 2014, 10:57:08 am
You know, one thing I have thought about with my stories is maybe expanding upon what was mostly a throwaway line in one hentai I wrote; on how Rodney reminded 2k of Sonata in bed. Like, maybe expand it to some other things as well, if I can find any solid links between the two -w-
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Post by: Chocofreak13 on September 19, 2014, 11:16:52 am
go for it, once again, though i can barely read what you just said.
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Post by: Penti-chan on September 19, 2014, 12:13:41 pm
Sorry; was half asleep when I typed that. I think I fixed it?
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Post by: Chocofreak13 on September 19, 2014, 01:11:27 pm
yeah, that's better. and do eet.
Title: Re: On Topic[less]
Post by: winduko on September 19, 2014, 01:51:11 pm
They were going to be throwaway lines too. It should be saved for when I need XP and 2k to be in trouble or some other relevant time.
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Post by: Penti-chan on November 02, 2014, 04:48:45 pm
Mmm -w-
(I really need to get back to writing -w-; )

So, I came up with a theory pertaining to DEC-tans. Given how I learned the proper pronunciation of the company's name as "deck", would it be much of a stretch to assume that at least some of the DEC-tans enjoy playing poker or other card games?

...would VMS play card games on motorcycles? I'm sorry; I had to say it -w-;
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Post by: Chocofreak13 on November 02, 2014, 09:28:31 pm
the moment i read "Deck" i flashed back to my own comic

what the fuck is wrong with me


(also i support your theory)
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Post by: Penti-chan on November 02, 2014, 09:42:57 pm
Nothing at all, as I honestly thought of having one of the DEC-tans, at least in my stories, mention reading Aces High -w-
Title: Re: On Topic[less]
Post by: Chocofreak13 on November 03, 2014, 12:37:08 am
you rock, man. -w-
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Post by: winduko on November 25, 2014, 09:33:43 am
Zettai Windows Update: It will now be a blog on Tumblr.

It'll be a sort of Ask The Windows Gijinkas blog. I've ran two-person blogs before, but nothing this large (and that's after deciding that some wouldn't use Tumblr for one reason or another).

It'll be a mainly text-post blog with the occasional screenshot and MMD pictures/videos.
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Post by: Chocofreak13 on November 25, 2014, 11:18:36 am
cute. looking forward to it.
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Post by: Chocofreak13 on December 09, 2014, 07:23:40 pm
(http://40.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_krx4rzq6sr1qzvnxpo1_500.jpg) (http://thisiswhyyourefat.tumblr.com/post/219982701/the-windows-7-whopper-burger-king-japans)

link embedded in the image. apparently Nanami rolls with the king. .__.;
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Post by: winduko on December 09, 2014, 07:56:41 pm
This only serves to remind me that the Windows-tans mostly eat at Burger King for their fast food needs.

That and Nanami offering XP some nice septuple burgers. (http://danbooru.donmai.us/posts/550875)
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Post by: Chocofreak13 on December 09, 2014, 08:52:45 pm
hahaha, glad to finally read a translated version of it. and burger king is the superiour international chain, so it makes sense. not to mention the correlation between OSX and mcdonalds....
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Post by: Penti-chan on December 09, 2014, 10:17:36 pm
I remember that burger. I remember jokes about "I'm glad they didn't make a Windows 2000 burger" -w-;;
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Post by: Chocofreak13 on December 10, 2014, 12:30:13 am
hahahaha, that'd be a buffet. xD


btw, new idea, sorry if it's already been proposed: CP/M-tan (aka DRDOS-tan) was the former lover of Kaypro-tan, but Kaypro's stubbornness and refusal to change with the times lead to the two growing apart and the newly-named DRDOS-tan breaking up with Kaypro. on the other hand, Kaypro refused to give up on what they had, lamenting the breakup and chasing after CP/M (who wasn't even the same person anymore) until the end of her life in the mid-90's. unsure how DRDOS would feel about all this today, if she IS still alive; probably some kind of nostalgic sadness tinged with a little bit of pity.
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Post by: Aurora Borealis on December 10, 2014, 09:19:51 pm
Quote from: Chocofreak13 on December 10, 2014, 12:30:13 am
hahahaha, that'd be a buffet. xD


btw, new idea, sorry if it's already been proposed: CP/M-tan (aka DRDOS-tan) was the former lover of Kaypro-tan, but Kaypro's stubbornness and refusal to change with the times lead to the two growing apart and the newly-named DRDOS-tan breaking up with Kaypro. on the other hand, Kaypro refused to give up on what they had, lamenting the breakup and chasing after CP/M (who wasn't even the same person anymore) until the end of her life in the mid-90's. unsure how DRDOS would feel about all this today, if she IS still alive; probably some kind of nostalgic sadness tinged with a little bit of pity.


DRDOS-tan is still alive, but I like the idea of this past relationship that she regrets losing. She has a track record of abandoning people and regretting it. She abandoned her children for a long time, and especially regrets that one of them (QDOS-tan) suffered for it.

Early in DRDOS-tan's life, IMSAI 8080-tan was her mentor, and may have unintentionally encouraged DRDOS-tan to become a megalomaniac. I never did write anything about this, but maybe DRDOS-tan's tendency to abandon others did start with IMSAI 8080-tan, because CP/M or DRDOS became a popular platform during the 80's, while the IMSAI 8080 lost out to the Apple II and other home computers, and fizzled out by the late 1970's.
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Post by: Bella on December 10, 2014, 09:41:20 pm
I concur with Aurora. Given DRDOS-tan's personality, it doesn't seem without reason that she'd have been with, and lost, Kaypro-tan.

...but now we need a Kaypro-tan!
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Post by: Chocofreak13 on December 10, 2014, 10:16:44 pm
heh, guess it was good timing that i posted this.

@aurora: given you (or one of the founding members, ergo, you) created DRDOS-tan, i'm happy to have your blessing on this. also, to clarify, i meant that Kaypro was dead, not DRDOS.

@bells: i figured you'd like this since you're a fan of lesbian science babies.


and i started this mess, i'll make her. one more thing to distract me from making my iphone playlist. xDD;;;
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Post by: stewartsage on December 11, 2014, 08:20:37 pm
Wait, CP/M is DRDOS?

(http://i.imgur.com/Y2BvgnI.jpg)
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Post by: Chocofreak13 on December 11, 2014, 09:11:25 pm
yuuuup, according to the wiki page later version were restructured and released as DRDOS, to keep up with the times.
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Post by: Bella on December 11, 2014, 09:21:12 pm
Quote from: stewartsage on December 11, 2014, 08:20:37 pm
Wait, CP/M is DRDOS?


DAMMIT MAN HOW DID YOU NOT KNOW THIS?!

She's also basically the Medic of the DOS-tan community: unintentionally(?) jerkass silver fox who is competent with medicine despite lacking any kind of proper certification/licensing with a history of human OS-tan medical experimentation.
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Post by: Aurora Borealis on December 11, 2014, 09:33:00 pm
Anyone feel tempted to draw DRDOS-tan as the Medic? :D

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Post by: Bella on December 11, 2014, 09:40:41 pm
JAWOHL.

I'm continually tempted to draw OS-tan/TF2 crossovers though. >>

*imagines Leopard-tan in a sharp suit with a cardboard-cutout mask on...*
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Post by: Penti-chan on December 11, 2014, 09:43:57 pm
@Aurora: That needs to happen
Bella, do the thing :3

TBH I still want to make an "annoying desktop assistants TF2" team. All I know is Bonzi would be Spy and Clippy would likely be Scout -w-;
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Post by: Chocofreak13 on December 11, 2014, 10:24:24 pm
KAYPRO-tan
aka: Kay Andrews
Born: 1952
Debut: 1982
Ice-Blue Eyes, Silver Hair (was Greenish-Grey until her Debut; initial stress turned it grey)
5' 8" (?)
C Cup
Big Eyes (larger screen than competitors)
Short Hair
enjoys travel, writes novels as a hobby, enjoys word puzzles and video games (though only on her terms)
Strong, industrious, versatile, frugal
eventually learned to read BASIC
has intense hatred for Compaq-tan
was slightly less annoyed by Osborne-tan, Xerox-tan and TRS-80-tan (could read disks formatted by them)
admires apple II and seeks to emulate her
former lover of CP/M (aka DRDOS); became a bit of a stalker
kind of a bitch at times; copied the best features of her competitors so well that she did it better and eventually crushed them under her heel
reveled in her popularity
got quite jealous of CP/M seeing other -tans, and didn't care much for others herself (could have contributed to breakup)
was so slow to accept others that everyone had moved on by that point (1985 was the start of her decline)
began to have mental breakdown after breakup with CP/M in late 80's and decline in popularity; with her "friends" deserting her and her finances in ruins she snapped
pursued MS-Dos as a romantic partner for a short time (on the rebound) but it never went anywhere
fell off the map for a few years but returned, cleaned up and mentally sober in 1999
this was not meant to last, however, and after failing to rekindle her sales or relationship with CP/M (now DRDOS), she committed suicide in 2001
her ghost was rumoured to be drifting about, but hasn't been seen in a few years (Kaypro came back after second failure for a brief stint as "Kay Computers" but the building has changed, the creator is dead and the website is parked)
distant ties to MIT (creator was a 1940 graduate)

any hope of her returning (alive or dead) has all but dried up; she has loyal fans still but it feels more like a cult than true "living"; Andrew Kay, her creator, also died this past August
Title: Re: On Topic[less]
Post by: Bella on December 12, 2014, 01:20:37 pm
I really like your design for her! I do wonder why her birthdate is so early. Kaypro was only founded in the 80s, is that a reflection of an earlier company that evolved into Kaypro, or a purely story-related decision?

It's also really sad she committed suicide. :( I don't think there are too many -tans that have died from things other than natural causes (or the Unix Wars). BOS/360-tan might be the only other one, come to think of it.
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Post by: Penti-chan on December 12, 2014, 01:45:14 pm
Interesting character; a sad backstory, though :[
(Also, I'd imagine she might have gotten along well with the DEC-tans, given a mutual hate of Compaq...although the DEC's hate of that company came after Kay's fall)
I had this urge to post the obligatory "me as PDP-11, glaring at a Compaq" pic -w-;
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Post by: Chocofreak13 on December 12, 2014, 10:17:34 pm
Kaypro's parent company (that would later become Kaypro as a whole) was formed in 52'. if you'd prefer, she can have a later birthdate, but the latest i'd reccomend is the mid to late 70's since the actual computer development started around that time.

as for her death, i saw her reformation during the 90's a little bit like an addict returning from rehab, sans the addiction. it's more like coming back from a sanitarium to find that everything has changed and everyone has moved on. not having a place left in the world, she couldn't really find much reason to stay.

it also works with the "ghost" theory since, while Kaypro as a name died in 99', "Kay Computers" returned for a brief stint in the early to mid 00's, but is stalled/defunct now.
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Post by: Chocofreak13 on December 18, 2014, 12:54:30 pm
so this is a thing.

https://marketplace.secondlife.com/p/Windows-31-tan-Unreal-avatar/103537?id=103537&slug=Windows-31-tan-Unreal-avatar
Title: Re: On Topic[less]
Post by: Penti-chan on December 18, 2014, 01:13:47 pm
...and this, too (https://marketplace.secondlife.com/p/Windows-2k-tan-OS-tan-unreal-avatar/103549). While I care as little as humanly possible about Second Life, just...2k >w>;
Title: Re: On Topic[less]
Post by: Chocofreak13 on December 18, 2014, 01:16:41 pm
it would make sense that they'd do the others, but given that i have no account nor interest in Second Life, i'm not sure i care enough to search.


if it weren't for the low-rent quality of the models i'd wonder if it were possible to import these to MMD.
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Post by: winduko on December 18, 2014, 03:04:10 pm
There seems to be a Mint-tan and a ME-tan one. And I didn't go looking for them.

With the exception of Mint-tan, there are known MMD models for them.
Title: Re: On Topic[less]
Post by: Chocofreak13 on December 18, 2014, 08:05:05 pm
not for 3.1, no. i remember tracking down the blog that had the OS-tan MMDs (and finding seperate Nanami and Claudia ones), and the only ones there were 95, 2k, XP, and ME. :\
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Post by: winduko on December 18, 2014, 08:08:30 pm
http://fav.me/d7brw7n

I downloaded the file in the description a while ago, and yes, there is an MMD model in this.
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Post by: Chocofreak13 on December 18, 2014, 08:20:50 pm
well i'll be. we should get this in the Downloads section.
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Post by: winduko on February 11, 2015, 09:00:41 pm
This file is so large, it causes a scroll bar on my 1920x1080 monitor.
[spoiler](http://fc00.deviantart.net/fs70/f/2015/039/5/5/virus_dos_neko_by_shota_king-d8h6q0i.jpg)
art by shota-king (http://shota-king.deviantart.com/)
[/spoiler]

Yeah a dos virus named Neko. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KR2rLRV2Qvs)

I normally do not like virus-tans unless they are, you know, viruses, but even watching the video above, I was thinking "damn, this virus should have it's own humanization." Or maybe that is what DOSkitty is in reality.
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Post by: Penti-chan on February 11, 2015, 10:00:01 pm
xDD

...would Neko be friends with BonziBuddy, or would she actually try to kill him like everyone else?
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Post by: winduko on February 11, 2015, 10:22:15 pm
I cannot answer either way, but I do know that BonziBuddy would be a Virus-kun, if only because Bonzi is a guy. BonziBuddy lends itself well to a humanization too, now that I think about it.
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Post by: Penti-chan on February 11, 2015, 10:33:49 pm
Indeed
(Also, I still want fanart of Bonzi dressed like the TF2 Spy; given he is a form of spyware -w-)
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Post by: Bella on February 12, 2015, 12:00:41 am
I'm not a huge fan of virus-tans either but the thought of an adorable little catgirl who torments the DOS-tans is too much for me to resist...

As for BonziBuddy, I can't say much about his personality but I'm having trouble imagining him as anything BUT a chubby dude in a garish purple suit.

Stew got me thinking about character music preferences again the other day, maybe I'll post about it sometime soon.
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Post by: Chocofreak13 on February 12, 2015, 02:14:00 am
i picture Bonzi as someone who would sell used cars.

(http://www2.artflakes.com/artwork/products/250790/poster/250790.jpg)

this guy. i picture Bonzi like this guy.



as for Neko-tan, i'm evoking images of an 80's japanese schoolgirl (well, 80's-90's, so navy blue, knee-length school uniform with a red tie, loose socks, and short, fluffy brown hair, possibly in the Seiko Haircut (https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/41/93/a8/4193a82cc58a9fc8a1e72c2c0deb6944.jpg) that was so popular back then) with cat ears and tail, who wants to be popular but isn't very good at it, so she takes on the tactic of both trying to be as cute as possible (complete with cat-like mannerisms) and trying to insert herself into every situation possible, much to the chagrin of her classmates. Things are especially bad on Tuesdays, which she calls her "Lucky Day" (seems she was born on a Tuesday). When she is repeatedly ignored, her Yandere side emerges. Is THAT what actually happened to the transfer student.....?

were it not time to Not Starve with Steve i'd do some art of this myself. thoughts on this?
Title: Re: On Topic[less]
Post by: winduko on February 12, 2015, 05:15:39 am
A fat Dick Nixon in a garish purple suit. Best design concept for an -kun (or -tan even!) that I've heard so far.

@Kari: Wow. That is awesome. I give your Neko-tan concept a yes.
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Post by: Chocofreak13 on February 12, 2015, 07:34:23 pm
ha-ha! two for one!

i may give drawing her a college try later tonight, if i get Steve's card done.
Title: Re: On Topic[less]
Post by: winduko on February 19, 2015, 08:10:54 pm
Guys

I think Windows 10-tan (and -kun, if one pops up, though I've never seen one) will have an army of 3.1-tan and 3.1-kun clones

because 10's browser has the code name "Spartan Project"

and a codename for Windows for Workgroups 3.1 was Sparta

and Sparta was (in?)famous for the Spartan Army
Title: Re: On Topic[less]
Post by: Chocofreak13 on February 20, 2015, 02:25:45 am
just the browser? or the OS itself?

(are they the same thing? these crazy kids these days with their newfangled browserOSes.... )
Title: Re: On Topic[less]
Post by: winduko on February 20, 2015, 05:01:25 am
It's just the browser. Windows 10's codename was Threshold.
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Post by: Chocofreak13 on February 20, 2015, 09:18:35 am
idk if there'll be clones, since 3.1 is an OS whereas this is a browser. but who knows, there might be. all we can tell for sure atm is that Microsoft is lazy with their codenames. :\
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Post by: Penti-chan on February 20, 2015, 11:04:48 am
[secretly expects them to reuse Chicago, NT 5.0, Neptune, and Whistler at some point or another]
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Post by: winduko on February 20, 2015, 01:50:35 pm
@Kari: Meh, true. I thought it would be funny.

And yeah, I learned that Microsoft was lazy about codenames a long time ago, but I thought that it was funny enough to warrant a reference.

@Pent: NT 5.0 wasn't exactly a codename. It's the technical name for Windows 2000. The guy behind the project was even said to have "not liked codenames."

But if I am correct on the release date of Windows 10, I would be surprised that they didn't codename it Chicago.

Actually no. It would have ruined the surprise.
Title: Re: On Topic[less]
Post by: Chocofreak13 on February 20, 2015, 09:22:08 pm
they're gonna nickname it Cleveland instead. xD
Title: Re: On Topic[less]
Post by: winduko on March 01, 2015, 10:44:08 pm
I wanted to apply a theme song to a pairing.

So here (http://youtu.be/KqhfLTsEeZg) is Windows 3.1-tan/System 7.5-tan's theme song. Because I caught myself running into this song, and I felt it describes their relationship more or less.
Title: Re: On Topic[less]
Post by: Goujer on March 02, 2015, 12:54:09 am
I thought they we're killing Internet Explore and replacing it with Spartan?
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Post by: Chocofreak13 on March 02, 2015, 01:34:06 am
you ship 3.1/7.5? .__.;
Title: Re: On Topic[less]
Post by: Goujer on March 02, 2015, 03:47:30 am
I've never followed the Macintosh-tans much but after looking it up a bit I would say sure why not, cross the boundaries of OS families. We need more of that nowadays as it seems everyone has a side and hates the other. I often use my Mac and PC at the same exact time. (I now have the song Why can't We be Friends stuck in my head)
Title: Re: On Topic[less]
Post by: winduko on March 02, 2015, 05:02:29 am
Quote from: Chocofreak13 on March 02, 2015, 01:34:06 am
you ship 3.1/7.5? .__.;


Platonically, yes.

I can't see them being romantically involved, and even with the whole platonic thing it is kinda one-sided. It's like one-and-a-half sided.


Edit:

Quote from: Legojer on March 02, 2015, 03:47:30 am
I've never followed the Macintosh-tans much but after looking it up a bit I would say sure why not, cross the boundaries of OS families. We need more of that nowadays as it seems everyone has a side and hates the other. I often use my Mac and PC at the same exact time. (I now have the song Why can't We be Friends stuck in my head)


There is also the long-shipped and recently proven canon (https://ostan-collections.net/forum/index.php?topic=1710.msg162318#msg162318) ME-tan/Mac OS 9-kun.

Also, I would imagine that most Windows-tans*, at least now, are at least neutral towards Mac-tans. I'd also assume that there aren't many (and probably none who hate all Windows-tans, 3.1-tan is probably seen as hard to hate by them!) anti-Windows Mac-tans today.

*all Windows-tans depending on how you interpret 95-tan willing to help ME-tan after marrying a Mac. Is it that she has gotten over her hatred? Is it that she made Kyuurou an exception? Is it something that I haven't thought of? I don't know, but Kyuurou-kun being the exception to her hatred is my personal favourite explanation. xD
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Post by: Chocofreak13 on March 02, 2015, 09:42:48 am
i've shipped ME x Kyourou since i got here, largely because it's what the japanese creators intended. (https://ostan-collections.net/forum/index.php?topic=1188.msg76557#msg76557) i was surprised at the shipping of 3.1, is all, i've never really heard of her being shipped with anyone. :0

also, i feel like This Antique Thing (http://choco-la-te.deviantart.com/art/Os-tan-Comiket-207622765) i did for college sums up 95's feelings towards Kyourou well. :0
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Post by: Penti-chan on March 02, 2015, 11:26:39 am
TBH I've shipped 2k with OS9-tan -w-
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Post by: Chocofreak13 on March 02, 2015, 11:46:06 am
i could see that, but the soul-reply notes on canon pairings stuck in my craw since before i even joined here. as such, i canonically ship 2k with XP-kun. (and before you say "but they're related!" so is everyone that Homeo is paired with sans Shitsuji-kun.)

i've also seen one or two of 2k with Pizza, but this is truer for 2k-kun rather than -tan. i've even seen Pizza-tan be 2k's romantic rival. :0
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Post by: winduko on March 02, 2015, 12:11:20 pm
Quote from: Chocofreak13 on March 02, 2015, 09:42:48 ami was surprised at the shipping of 3.1, is all, i've never really heard of her being shipped with anyone. :0


Really? I've seen pictures that ship her with 1.0-tan. Either way, 3.1/7.5 just came about because of the FUN song. Like, it fits.

Quote from: PentiumMMX on March 02, 2015, 11:26:39 am
TBH I've shipped 2k with OS9-tan -w-


Same. Just same. It's my favourite romantic pairing that doesn't involve 95-tan.

Quote from: Chocofreak13 on March 02, 2015, 11:46:06 am
i could see that, but the soul-reply notes on canon pairings stuck in my craw since before i even joined here. as such, i canonically ship 2k with XP-kun. (and before you say "but they're related!" so is everyone that Homeo is paired with sans Shitsuji-kun.)


My first impulse was "but Homeo and Hacchan aren't related!"

But then I remembered that yeah, they are, at least in my headcanon. Homeo is a male science lesbian baby of 95-tan and NT-tan (all XP-kuns are male science lesbian babies and I do not frankly care how little sense that makes, or how biologically impossible it is), and Hacchan is Yamada's daughter. Yamada and 95 are sisters, so that means Homeo and Hacchan are first-cousins.

In my headcanon, XP-kun and 2k-tan are just as closely-related as Homeo and Hacchan. XP-kun is still the son of 95 and NT. 2k-tan is the daughter of Cairo-tan (whom I decided looked suspiciously like the Deja Vu NT), the sister of NT-tan, and ...someone.

The closest thing I have to an explanation for 2k-kun is that he's 2k-tan's father, but they look far too close in age for that to be the case.

Basically, how the Windows-gijinkas are related is because story, not because either canon or history. As a general rule, the male counterparts are always directly related (depending on age difference, which is why there is a 2k-kun conundrum).

For example, the 95-gijinkas look rather close in age, so in my canon, they are twins. But at the same time, the 98-kuns look far older than their female counterparts, so in my headcanon, the 98-tans are half-sisters (and not twins at that!), and 98-kun is Hacchan's father, and SE-kun is Secchan's father.
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Post by: Chocofreak13 on March 02, 2015, 12:16:01 pm
.......that is some of the weirdest headcanons i have ever heard of.

and did i ever post the pics of Cairo-tan? thought i did....
Title: Re: On Topic[less]
Post by: winduko on March 02, 2015, 12:20:42 pm
I don't recall seeing them, unfortunately. I would like to see them though.

Quote from: Chocofreak13 on March 02, 2015, 12:16:01 pm
.......that is some of the weirdest headcanons i have ever heard of.


:)

I am glad.
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Post by: Penti-chan on March 02, 2015, 12:32:37 pm
Well, one of my headcanons is that PDP-11 has a slight interest in 2k; mostly just teasing over how she's be very much interested if 2k was a Unix -w-;
Title: Re: On Topic[less]
Post by: winduko on March 02, 2015, 12:43:21 pm
To be fair to PDP-11-tan, 2k-tan and Xenix-tan look oddly similar. Xenix first ran on the PDP-11 after all.
Title: Re: On Topic[less]
Post by: Penti-chan on March 02, 2015, 12:52:07 pm
Well, keeping in mind PDP-11-tan is related to OpenVMS-tan, whom NT-tan is cloned from :3
Title: Re: On Topic[less]
Post by: winduko on March 02, 2015, 12:58:52 pm
I was also going to mention the more incestuous aspects, but I thought it would be more fun to bring a UNIX that looks like 2k-tan that also ran on the PDP-11.
Title: Re: On Topic[less]
Post by: Bella on March 02, 2015, 02:06:05 pm
Quote from: winduko on March 02, 2015, 12:43:21 pm
To be fair to PDP-11-tan, 2k-tan and Xenix-tan look oddly similar. Xenix first ran on the PDP-11 after all.


Quote from: PentiumMMX on March 02, 2015, 12:32:37 pm
Well, one of my headcanons is that PDP-11 has a slight interest in 2k; mostly just teasing over how she's be very much interested if 2k was a Unix -w-;


Don't let CB Unix-tan (PDP-11-tan's life-partner-person-thing) find out. >_>

Quote from: PentiumMMX on March 02, 2015, 12:52:07 pm
Well, keeping in mind PDP-11-tan is related to OpenVMS-tan, whom NT-tan is cloned from :3


Well, tangentially. PDP-11-tan is VAX-tan's mother and RSX-11-tan is VMS-tan's mother. They grew up together but aren't blood relatives.

The whole DEC bloodline is a clusterfsck..... I kind of want to rework things.
Title: Re: On Topic[less]
Post by: Chocofreak13 on March 02, 2015, 05:44:20 pm
sounds like a project, lol. xD

@kodomo: i had a feeling they were missing. i think i know where the sketchbook is; i'll try to get them uploaded later.
Title: Re: On Topic[less]
Post by: Penti-chan on March 02, 2015, 05:46:20 pm
Ahh. Now I know -w-;
(Also, indeed; might make for something lulzy)
Title: Re: On Topic[less]
Post by: winduko on March 02, 2015, 05:52:11 pm
@Bella: Good thing 2k-tan is no Unix then. She merely resembles one by the power of coincidence. xD

@Kari: Beautiful.  I always wanted to see what she looked like. :D

@Pent: Eh, to be fair, the other reason why I mentioned Xenix is because I wasn't completely sure if 2k and PDP-11 were blood-related or not. I didn't know enough about the DEC-tans and their bloodline to say something either way. xD
Title: Re: On Topic[less]
Post by: Bella on March 05, 2015, 07:06:22 pm
I keep meaning to work on my OS-tan tropes super-list or fiddle around with my DEC-tan designs but I never do. Curse my busy schedule...

Quote from: winduko on March 02, 2015, 05:52:11 pm
@Bella: Good thing 2k-tan is no Unix then. She merely resembles one by the power of coincidence. xD


Well, she DOES have the blue hair and glasses, which holds true for like half of the Unices.
Title: Re: On Topic[less]
Post by: Chocofreak13 on March 05, 2015, 07:36:57 pm
we all have things we need to do but never have the time for, bells. so don't feel too bad. :\
Title: Re: On Topic[less]
Post by: Penti-chan on March 05, 2015, 08:34:16 pm
Indeed. I know I've had ideas for things I want to do, story-wise, but have never gotten around to
Title: Re: On Topic[less]
Post by: winduko on March 05, 2015, 09:35:15 pm
Quote from: Bella on March 05, 2015, 07:06:22 pm
Well, she DOES have the blue hair and glasses, which holds true for like half of the Unices.


She probably took it from a Unix too.

Quote from: The OS-tan Wiki[SCO Unix-tan] has a lot of enemies, but is liked by the professional Windows-tans.


I can't find any solo images of SCO Unix-tan, but she looks a lot like 2k-tan. And if I were to guess, on purpose too.
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Post by: Krizonar on March 07, 2015, 09:56:16 am
Quote from: winduko on March 02, 2015, 05:02:29 am
(and probably none who hate all Windows-tans)


I suppose your '7' is... acceptable.

Gasps by the audience in complete shock of such an affectionate statement towards a windows unit can be heard in the background.
Title: Re: On Topic[less]
Post by: Chocofreak13 on March 07, 2015, 11:54:13 am
i'm hearing that in Peridot's voice. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MG7_bVwhr6I)
Title: Re: On Topic[less]
Post by: winduko on March 08, 2015, 01:42:24 am
Seal of Acceptableness Accepted.

Also, I have a question/Headscratcher. It's seriously bothered me for a long time, and only now did I remember that it bothers me.

Windows Explorer first came with Windows 95.

How come I have yet to see WE-tan or 95-tan (or -kun, for that matter) interact?

My best explanation is that WE-tan modernizes (Windows Explorer is still included in Windows to this day), but the 95s don't, so they just grew apart. Doesn't explain why WE-tan lives with Yamada, a proposed 98-tan, however.
Title: Re: On Topic[less]
Post by: Chocofreak13 on March 08, 2015, 11:52:33 am
it could be.

also, WE lives/works with Yamada (who IS a 98-tan, just not a super-popular one) for storyline purposes. WE's basically her supervisor. if you want a less vague interpretation, however, perhaps because 98 expanded upon Windows Explorer to what we know today? (i didn't research that, just kinda pulled it out of my ass)

WE also interacts a bit with 2k-kun, since they work in the same office. :0
Title: Re: On Topic[less]
Post by: Bella on March 08, 2015, 12:10:52 pm
Personally, I'd just interpret Windows Explorer as being a part of 95-tan....

On a related note, am I the only one who interprets desktop environments/window managers as being "clothes" for OS-tans?

The reason I've never made a Xu/Kubuntu/UbuntuMATE-tan is because I imagine it's just Ubuntu-tan in a different outfit....
Title: Re: On Topic[less]
Post by: winduko on March 08, 2015, 12:59:01 pm
Quote from: Chocofreak13 on March 08, 2015, 11:52:33 amif you want a less vague interpretation, however, perhaps because 98 expanded upon Windows Explorer to what we know today? (i didn't research that, just kinda pulled it out of my ass)


That is true, actually. Windows Explorer, in feel, didn't change too much between 98 and XP/to a lesser extent Vista, and not at all between 98 and ME. From Vista onwards, on the left hand side, it is like the actual program Windows Explorer.

Quote from: Bella on March 08, 2015, 12:10:52 pm
Personally, I'd just interpret Windows Explorer as being a part of 95-tan....

On a related note, am I the only one who interprets desktop environments/window managers as being "clothes" for OS-tans?


Well, WE-tan's hair is pink, as well as 95-tan's kimono... (different shades but lets not get hung up on technicalities)

However, I feel that WE-tan, as we know her, kinda needs to exist in my story. It wouldn't be hard (and probably would be more historically accurate even) to retcon the ME-gijinkas' parents. That, and Yamada also seriously needs to exist, and I feel that Yamada cannot exist without WE-tan.

That explanation makes almost a shitton of sense. Almost because I never see 3.1-tan and NT-tan in the same clothes. But I can handwave that, unlike WE and 95 never seeming to interact much.

However, the desktop environments/window managers being OS-tan clothes explains a surprising amount about 95-tan's cosplaying habit. The interface changed a lot from start to finish. (http://www.sigchi.org/chi96/proceedings/desbrief/Sullivan/kds_txt.htm)
Title: Re: On Topic[less]
Post by: Penti-chan on March 08, 2015, 05:40:31 pm
@Duko: That link reminded me; I used to own a book that went into great detail on the development of Windows 95. Although, I was let down on it mostly talking about the extremely technical stuff (The underlying kernel, decisions they had to make in order to ensure it'd run on the hardware of the era and would retain Windows 3.x compatibility, and stuff like that) versus talking about the many changes to the interface (Which, I honestly like the interface from Chicago 58s (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/4f/Microsoft_Chicago_4.00.58s_Desktop.png))

As for Windows Explorer, I admit I never really thought much of her; for years I thought of her and XPME-tan as "clones" of ME-tan (I interpreted WE-tan as being the Wario to ME-tan's Mario, while XPME-tan was born from a botched upgrade from ME to XP; resulting in a hybrid of the two. Neither character has appeared in my stories, for the record -w-; )

On an unrelated note, while at work, I came up with the idea for a comic that should happen: it involves Unix-tan and some of her friends having a movie night, and someone had the bright idea of picking Jurassic Park. Cue Unix-tan's rage over the "it's a Unix system!" (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J1VE6C0H2bU) scene xD
Title: Re: On Topic[less]
Post by: Chocofreak13 on March 09, 2015, 01:19:06 pm
@bella: actually, visual style/desktop environment as clothes/makeup is canon. (https://ostan-collections.net/imeeji/displayimage.php?pid=1052) though i'd leave that as to why we don't have a GNOME-tan, whereas Xubuntu/etc are actual branch-offs of the Ubuntu structure (as in, you can download it seperately w/o needing Ubuntu). of course, that's not to say they couldn't just be recoloured clones... (https://ostan-collections.net/imeeji/displayimage.php?album=6&pid=4568#top_display_media)

@kodomo: i regard her as a seperate character because she is a feature independent of the OS and even of the framework (present regardless of DOS or NTFS). she's been a constant and if i recall she was even developed seperately (again, not much in the way of reference material for that) from 95's OS and as such could just be slapped in wherever she fit.

also, despite slight tweaks depending on the artists' style, are you sure you've been looking at enough pics of NT and 3.1? (and i mean both NT AND Inu-T.) typically, NT sports a pink dress and hairclip (she may or may not be pregnant; Inu-T tends to sport the same dress and collar all the time, too) and 3.1 is basically always in a long, purple lolita dress with some kind of hair ornament. (i've also seen her in a Yukata-Hakama combo and a bikini, but these were just costume changes as far as i'm concerned.)

@pent: were you misinformed? XPME was merely someone's attempt at making a joke -tan for the actual operating system, XPMCE, due to the similarity of the names. she's one of 3 interpretations of XPMCE, the most canon being Moseko. (https://ostan-collections.net/imeeji/thumbnails.php?album=64)
Title: Re: On Topic[less]
Post by: Penti-chan on March 09, 2015, 01:29:37 pm
Back when I first heard of her, circa...'08 (?), I didn't read the wiki back then; I just saw the name in the gallery and assumed XPME-tan was some sort of hybrid :\
Title: Re: On Topic[less]
Post by: Chocofreak13 on March 09, 2015, 01:38:08 pm
that's a fair assumption, okay. :0
Title: Re: On Topic[less]
Post by: winduko on March 10, 2015, 06:23:39 am
I will say that I thought that, during the mid-to-late 90s, 95-tan often wore kimono that either had a cloud pattern or a solid teal colour. The more well-known hana256.bmp kimono didn't come into play until after support ended for 95. This whole conversation reminded me of that.

Quote from: Chocofreak13 on March 09, 2015, 01:19:06 pm
@kodomo: i regard her as a seperate character because she is a feature independent of the OS and even of the framework (present regardless of DOS or NTFS). she's been a constant and if i recall she was even developed seperately (again, not much in the way of reference material for that) from 95's OS and as such could just be slapped in wherever she fit.


If that were the case, then WE-tan being separate makes far too much sense for it not to be the case.

Hell, here is what I know:

Windows Explorer was first developed for Cairo. Then some "minor update" called Chicago came along and Windows Explorer was further developed for Chicago. Chicago would release as Windows 95, and Cairo would sort of come out as Windows NT 4.0 and Windows Vista (a lot of Cairo's promises were developed upon in Longhorn).

I guess one could call it a love triangle, but that is a moot point; 95-tan ends up with NT-tan in the end because the XPs need to be science lesbian babies.

Quote from: Chocofreak13 on March 09, 2015, 01:19:06 pm
also, despite slight tweaks depending on the artists' style, are you sure you've been looking at enough pics of NT and 3.1? (and i mean both NT AND Inu-T.) typically, NT sports a pink dress and hairclip (she may or may not be pregnant; Inu-T tends to sport the same dress and collar all the time, too) and 3.1 is basically always in a long, purple lolita dress with some kind of hair ornament. (i've also seen her in a Yukata-Hakama combo and a bikini, but these were just costume changes as far as i'm concerned.)


The dresses look different enough for me to register them as "different."  Upon closer inspection, the only difference was that 3.1's dress looked fancier.

I will agree that any costume changes in a Japanese-made OS-tan is just a costume change, and me saying otherwise is just speculation.
Title: Re: On Topic[less]
Post by: Chocofreak13 on March 10, 2015, 08:32:24 pm
every artist is gonna have his or her style, after all. :0

Cairo was so bitter after Chicago came into play....
Title: Re: On Topic[less]
Post by: winduko on March 15, 2015, 01:55:23 am
Both those things are so true. *nod* Especially Cairo-tan being quite bitter when an inferior became superior because, as far as she was concerned, lol.

Also I've been thinking, if there is a Windows Explorer-tan, then, as far as I'm concerned, a DOSSHELL-tan, an MS-DOS Executive-tan, and a Program Manager-tan may very well be in order.

I even have an idea as to how the family tree would go.


DOSSHELL-tan - MS-DOS Executive-tan
                              |
                              Program Manager-tan
                              |
                              Windows Explorer-tan
                              | |
                              Both Windows ME-tan and Windows ME-kun? (because similarities in appearance?)


I'd imagine the 9x bloodline to be all over the place anyways. The 95 update-tans and 97-tan are 95-tan's daughters, while Hacchan and Secchan are Yamada's daughters. I'm pretty sure that, no matter what genetics either ME-tan or -kun had, 95 and NT probably raised them anyways. Honestly, same goes for the 98 edition-tans. And 95 OSR 2.5-tan has mommy issues.
Title: Re: On Topic[less]
Post by: Chocofreak13 on March 15, 2015, 11:39:14 am
i can't shake the feeling that we already have a DOS Executive-tan, but i'ma need bells to back me up on that.

otherwise, create away, either here or in the New IBM-tans thread. :0
Title: Re: On Topic[less]
Post by: Bella on March 15, 2015, 12:38:05 pm
I don't believe there's a DOS Executive-tan. I'm a little confused by the family tree, why would the ME's be Windows Explorer-tan's kids?

Just thinking out loud, but: I was thinking about the vast imbalance of female to male -tans in my (and Stew's) story universe(s) and what might be the reason behind it, I came to the conclusion that if they're mostly reproducing asexually or f/f there wouldn't be any way around having female children, hence the imbalance.

Supporting evidence: The handful of male -tans that exist between in my story universe have a male parent. I'm not sure about Stew's stories but we know KRONOS-kun has a father.
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Post by: Penti-chan on March 15, 2015, 04:46:07 pm
@Bella: You know, I've never really thought too deeply about it. Granted, no -kuns have appeared in my stories yet (2k-kun was set to appear in a short story I never got around to writing, but none of the others have appeared so far)...but maybe I might address this eventually :3
Title: Re: On Topic[less]
Post by: winduko on March 15, 2015, 04:46:58 pm
Quote from: Chocofreak13 on March 15, 2015, 11:39:14 am
i can't shake the feeling that we already have a DOS Executive-tan, but i'ma need bells to back me up on that.

otherwise, create away, either here or in the New IBM-tans thread. :0


I have vague ideas as to what they are like even.

Quote from: Bella on March 15, 2015, 12:38:05 pm
I'm a little confused by the family tree, why would the ME's be Windows Explorer-tan's kids?


I've found a few pictures that support this idea (and only found this one (http://kazumi386.org/~ostan2/os_uploader01/f_we/src/1375833296749.jpg) because having my dad awake while I'm looking at os-tan fart sites isn't too different than walking in a minefield). However, out of the things in my headcanon, this is one of the many things that could easily change at any time.

Quote from: Bella on March 15, 2015, 12:38:05 pm
Just thinking out loud, but: I was thinking about the vast imbalance of female to male -tans in my (and Stew's) story universe(s) and what might be the reason behind it, I came to the conclusion that if they're mostly reproducing asexually or f/f there wouldn't be any way around having female children, hence the imbalance.

Supporting evidence: The handful of male -tans that exist between in my story universe have a male parent. I'm not sure about Stew's stories but we know KRONOS-kun has a father.


Interesting. While there are many many more -tans than -kuns in my universe, and the majority of those -kuns have a male parent, some -kuns (XP-kun, Homeo, and maybe ME-kun) don't, but I do have some ideas as to why 95-tan and NT-tan had biological sons, but as I was typing them, I found them too NSFW to post in this topic.

However, because thing happens in my universe doesn't mean at all thing happens in your universe. It honestly doesn't make much sense for women whom are reproducing with other women or in an asexual manner to have sons.
Title: Re: On Topic[less]
Post by: Bella on March 15, 2015, 09:56:52 pm
As I said in the other thread, it depends on how advanced the tech is in your story universe, and how much biological artistic license you're comfortable with taking. I wouldn't overthink it -- if you don't want to, that is.

Honestly, the tech in my story universe is probably advanced enough to produce male children from two females (considering that the technology exists to select most other genetic features [hence the huge amount of variability even within families], and also the whole "OS-tans being able to manipulate the physical universe in ways that are apparently magical to outsiders" thing), so I almost have take artistic license to explain why there aren't MORE male OS-tans.

Also, thank you for reminding me that Futaba is a thing! I haven't been on there in ages.

I'm not a huge fan of any of the post-Lion Mac-tan designs, but I can't help but like this one (http://kazumi386.org/~ostan2/os_uploader01/mac/src/1385308234036.png). (Esu's is good also (http://www.pixiv.net/member_illust.php?mode=medium&illust_id=39293850).)
Title: Re: On Topic[less]
Post by: winduko on March 15, 2015, 10:15:00 pm
I really like your idea. I don't want to overthink it at all, but if the question comes up (and it probably will, seeing as it would be genetically impossible under normal circumstances), I need an answer. This isn't a question that can't be answered.

As for how advanced tech is, it honestly varies. In terms of reproduction, however, it is generally more than advanced enough for two people of the same sex to have a child, as well as clones being not terribly uncommon. Given that the clones are very often given genetic modifications, it would be hard to believe that a pre-natal sex change in the chromosomes would be hard.

And I like those designs too, and I'm not a huge fan of having -tans* of all the OS X releases.
*They still have representation, but more as pet cats to the Mac-tans rather than as humans.
Title: Re: On Topic[less]
Post by: Penti-chan on March 15, 2015, 11:10:12 pm
...this is completely unrelated, but I just learned that apparently Southwestern Bell ran a 900-number for sports scores back in the '80s. This raises a question: does Unix-tan care about sports, or was this merely a ploy to help fund Bell Labs...and play phones branded with the Bell Labs logo (http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x283/The_Real_PentiumMMX/Timey%20wimey%20stuff/IMG0048A.jpg~original)?
Title: Re: On Topic[less]
Post by: Chocofreak13 on March 16, 2015, 03:14:19 am
@kodomo: if you could pass along a link to where you saw that image, that'd be super. it's been awhile and i don't quite remember the address to kasumi.
Title: Re: On Topic[less]
Post by: winduko on March 16, 2015, 05:08:15 am
Quote from: Chocofreak13 on March 16, 2015, 03:14:19 am
@kodomo: if you could pass along a link to where you saw that image, that'd be super. it's been awhile and i don't quite remember the address to kasumi.


Where the image has been found. (http://kazumi386.org/~ostan2/os_uploader01/f_we/viewa.php?pg=2)

Main adresss (http://kazumi386.org/~ostan2/os_uploader01/)
Title: Re: On Topic[less]
Post by: Bella on March 16, 2015, 11:29:53 am
Quote from: winduko on March 15, 2015, 10:15:00 pmAnd I like those designs too, and I'm not a huge fan of having -tans* of all the OS X releases.
*They still have representation, but more as pet cats to the Mac-tans rather than as humans.


B-but... OS X 10.0 - 10.7 are actually pretty interesting and diverse character wise.

Cheetah-tan is a statuesque, clumsy dominatrix, Puma-tan is is the small, shy, crybaby of the group, Jaguar is the hot-headed artiste, Panther is the elegant, outgoing operatic singer, Tiger-tan is the even more outgoing Mac Family goodwill ambassador, Leopard is the solitary, curious physics student who gets thrown into time traveling (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time_Machine_(OS_X)) shenanigans, becomes Unix-sama's temporal-gofer and effectively strongarms her way into the Unix Family (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Single_UNIX_Specification), Snow Leopard is future Leopard-tan who ends up stuck in the past and living alongside Leopard as a result of said time travel shenanigans (who is also hella egomaniacal), Lion-tan is an elegant lady-of-war who is also Snow Leopard's sworn enemy (clash of egos and all that) and ends up kicked out of the Unix Family (note what is missing (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Single_UNIX_Specification) in this description of SUS-compliant OS X releases), and ... that's about where we left off. Nobody ever devised any personalities for Mountain Lion, Mavericks or Yosemite-tan.

Hmmmm...... this seems like a job for me and Kriz............

*draws Apple logo on floor, puts out a ring of candles and multiple images of Mac-tans as a means of summoning the Master of all things Mac*
Title: Re: On Topic[less]
Post by: winduko on March 16, 2015, 03:26:53 pm
I speak from personal experience when I say cats have personalities. Trust me, I will try and get that diversity into ten cats.

As for a representation of Yosemite, all I know is that she dislikes the word "abfonaf," a recurring fictional expletive in my work, but this is more of an in-joke between a friend and me. When my friend was trying Yosemite, she put it on the computer that carried its origins, and Yosemite fucked things up, and caused the proof of the incident to vanish from the world*.
*I may have records on my Windows 8 computer, but I am not dragging it out just to find some funny pictures.
Title: Re: On Topic[less]
Post by: Chocofreak13 on March 16, 2015, 09:30:02 pm
DOWNGRADES ARE NECCESSARY
PLEASE DIAL 7 AND TRY AGAIN

also, cats can have a shitload of personalities. take my sister's three cats, for example. we have Teddy, the super-sweet dumbass, Momo, the energetic spazz, and Annabelle, the sadistic sociopath with adorable little bean toes. ^^
Title: Re: On Topic[less]
Post by: winduko on March 17, 2015, 05:22:45 am
Quote from: Chocofreak13 on March 16, 2015, 09:30:02 pm
also, cats can have a shitload of personalities. take my sister's three cats, for example. we have Teddy, the super-sweet dumbass, Momo, the energetic spazz, and Annabelle, the sadistic sociopath with adorable little bean toes. ^^


THANK

I've known four cats really well. There was Precious, the arrogant, yet has all kinds of patience for stupidity, one, who passed away a couple years ago. There is Patches, the easily-scared and loud dumbass; Mr. Mooch, the cuddly one who has no patience for stupidity; and Hissy, the one who hides in the dining room because of a severe fear of humans (cats are fine though, as is my dad) and keeps around an old computer that runs Windows XP Home Edition, and thus exists in my OS-tan canon as Homeko's pet.
Title: Re: On Topic[less]
Post by: Chocofreak13 on March 17, 2015, 09:16:26 am
i'm not sure the sloppy hoarder having a pet is a good idea.....it'd die under a pile of trash were it not for Homeo. ;^;
(though, it MIGHT inspire catboy yaoi, which is ALWAYS a good thing, so yeah. -w-)

Teddy is also quite loud. and Annabelle is easily startled. and tiny!
Title: Re: On Topic[less]
Post by: Bella on March 17, 2015, 11:22:39 am
Quote from: Chocofreak13 on March 17, 2015, 04:49:35 am
do eet. that you based your universes off each other is news to me. :0


Just going by stuff that's been published, the signs are there:

--Shared characters: SAGE, Whirlwind & Selectric (Stew's characters) have all shown up in my stories, Multics, Unix, WAITS, CTSS and DTSS-tan (my characters) have all shown up in his, Apple III-tan (Aurora's) has featured prominently in both our universes. His characters are all canonical in my story universe.

--Shared timeline: Both occur in a roughly alternate timeline earth where everything is apparently the same except for the existence of anthropomorphic computers, how or why they exist is likely different.

--Nature of OS-tans: We both agree that they are anthropomorphic computers, not literal humans, robots, or constructs of cyberspace. In both our universes, these anthropomorphic computers have existed throughout history (in my storyline, at least, there was an Antikythera Mechanism, Pascal's Calculator and Difference Engine, along with -tans for other early mechanical computing devices -- he's expressed similar sentiment) and their exact origins either aren't known or aren't important to the story, since they've always existed alongside human beings.

--OS-tan physiology: Ours both seem to function like regular humans but with special abilities to manipulate spacetime (MERT and Leopard), matter & energy (LGP-30, IBM Auto-Point, LINC, Multics, Unix) and information/data (Multics, WWMCCS), regeneration/healing (a rule for most of my -tans, apparently canon for ILLIAC-tan). Inhuman body parts (wings, tails, animal ears) are found in both.

--Shared factions & places: Unix's Base, the Binteji Renmei and WAITS's place have been featured in both of our stories. The DEC-tans and MIT ... society, whatever, have shown up in his backstories and any of the factions he's proposed are canonically a part of mine.

--Similar social dynamics(?): OS-tan society seems to be led by females, female pairings commonplace, OS-tans and humans seem to treat each other as equals, human creators/mentors, OS-tans apparently work for humans.
Title: Re: On Topic[less]
Post by: winduko on March 17, 2015, 12:49:30 pm
Quote from: Chocofreak13 on March 17, 2015, 09:16:26 am
i'm not sure the sloppy hoarder having a pet is a good idea.....it'd die under a pile of trash were it not for Homeo. ;^;
(though, it MIGHT inspire catboy yaoi, which is ALWAYS a good thing, so yeah. -w-)

Teddy is also quite loud. and Annabelle is easily startled. and tiny!


Hissy being Homeo's cat does work better, especially for the cat.

Patches is a little one as well. I swear, if either of them are tortoiseshells, then they are like her in ways.

@Bella: Awesome. I have lots of respect for those who gather large amounts of information like that, then share out. I understand how hard that is; my friend and I were compiling Neopets information last week like that.
Title: Re: On Topic[less]
Post by: Chocofreak13 on March 18, 2015, 12:37:55 pm
@kodomo: nope, Teddy's tabby brown and white, while Annabelle's a diluted calico. Momo was the weird one of her litter, being that out of 8 kittens, she was the only cow. :0

@bells: hah, does this mean Hollerith-tan's gonna be in your story? >w>

also, technically OSC's ][-tan makes an appearance in my comic (prominent character, actually), named as Shiroyuki-sama. that was just in written plot, however, and hasn't actually been comic'd out. :0
Title: Re: On Topic[less]
Post by: winduko on March 20, 2015, 08:38:22 pm
I realized something.

There is literally no reason for the OS X catgirls to not exist in my headcanon.

Turning into animals is very possible in my headcanon (Inu-T, I decided, is the same person as NT-tan and Cairo-tan [two different Inu-Ts], just another form), so people turning into cats is hardly revolutionary.

And seeing as, in my headcanon, there is a 98-tan, a 98FE-tan, and a 98SE-tan, then I'm sure that a Mac OS X-tan and a bunch of Mac OS X version-tans should exist as well.
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Post by: stewartsage on March 20, 2015, 08:59:14 pm
Wait, why do we need to consolidate or downgrade the OS X.x series to pets?  It isn't like there's some reason (shortage of space for publishing, a need to streamline storytelling) to not have -tans for every conceivable different operating system or major revision of an operating system.
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Post by: winduko on March 20, 2015, 09:04:54 pm
I realized that there was no reason for it, so I decided not to, and combine the idea I had, and the idea that others seem to have.

And thus, they are humans, who just happen to be able to turn into cats. Again, people turning into animals is actually kinda common in my OS-tan headcanon universe thing.

My apologies for the confusion.
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Post by: Krizonar on March 20, 2015, 09:13:38 pm
Quote from: Bella on March 16, 2015, 11:29:53 am
*draws Apple logo on floor, puts out a ring of candles and multiple images of Mac-tans as a means of summoning the Master of all things Mac*


Sorry for taking so long, I got accepted into the world of warships closed beta and have been testing.
Mac tan stuff?!? at long last!


Quote from: stewartsage on March 20, 2015, 08:59:14 pm
Wait, why do we need to consolidate or downgrade the OS X.x series to pets?  It isn't like there's some reason (shortage of space for publishing, a need to streamline storytelling) to not have -tans for every conceivable different operating system or major revision of an operating system.


Nor would it be very logical, as OSX is a brand name. The technology between, say, OSX 10.2 and 10.7 is ludicrously different. (To the point no computer can run both of them as they're not even the same programming language or Apple language either, as the file management system was 100% rebuilt in 10.6.) Meanwhile, Windows 7 and 8 are literally just slightly rehashed Vistas, NT 6.
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Post by: Bella on March 20, 2015, 09:49:48 pm
Quote from: Krizonar on March 20, 2015, 09:13:38 pm
Sorry for taking so long, I got accepted into the world of warships closed beta and have been testing.
Mac tan stuff?!? at long last!


Woo! It worked! ^.^

I'm thinking about working on some characterizations for Mountain Lion (http://www.pixiv.net/member_illust.php?mode=medium&illust_id=28879410), Mavericks (http://www.pixiv.net/member_illust.php?mode=medium&illust_id=39293850) and Yosemite-tan (sadly I can't find any designs!) but I .. don't really know where to start. ¬_¬

You wouldn't happen to have any ideas for these ladies, would you?


Quote from: stewartsage on March 20, 2015, 08:59:14 pm
Wait, why do we need to consolidate or downgrade the OS X.x series to pets?  It isn't like there's some reason (shortage of space for publishing, a need to streamline storytelling) to not have -tans for every conceivable different operating system or major revision of an operating system.


QuoteNor would it be very logical, as OSX is a brand name. The technology between, say, OSX 10.2 and 10.7 is ludicrously different. (To the point no computer can run both of them as they're not even the same programming language or Apple language either, as the file management system was 100% rebuilt in 10.6.) Meanwhile, Windows 7 and 8 are literally just slightly rehashed Vistas, NT 6.


I don't really have anything to add, just that I agree.
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Post by: Penti-chan on March 20, 2015, 10:23:23 pm
...am I crazy for expecting Mac OS XI?
(Still let down that we will never see OSX Sabertooth; as they switch to "places in California"...which now has me expecting OSX TechTV Studios or OSX SleepyD's Apartment)
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Post by: Krizonar on March 21, 2015, 02:28:29 am
Quote from: Bella on March 20, 2015, 09:49:48 pm
Woo! It worked! ^.^

I'm thinking about working on some characterizations for Mountain Lion (http://www.pixiv.net/member_illust.php?mode=medium&illust_id=28879410), Mavericks (http://www.pixiv.net/member_illust.php?mode=medium&illust_id=39293850) and Yosemite-tan (sadly I can't find any designs!) but I .. don't really know where to start. ¬_¬

You wouldn't happen to have any ideas for these ladies, would you?


Well I would have some! Despite it being 2 am in the morning...

Mountain Lion: Likes to play games (Gamecenter) and is very chatty (iMessage), doesn't like working much, but is excellent at dividing up work when the situation forces her to do it (iWork documents in iCloud). Has an eidetic memory (notification center). Is supposedly Lion from a not perfectly parallel planet (Steve Jobs died) where Launchpad was an actual rocket.

Mavericks: Will help with anything, loves volunteer work for people she knows (is free) and is very knowledgeable, especially book-smart (iBooks). Has an enormous room of books and maps. Seems to always know directions to places and never gets lost, and, although she used to get lost a lot, she just read more (Maps). Is supposedly the daughter of Mountain Lion, who is from another planet (10.8 and onwards are from the app store).

Yosemite: Is Telepathic to other Mac Tans (Continuity/Handoff), is an absolute neat freak and can find about anything they've touched recently (GUI sleek redesign/Spotlight redesign). She has extremely good eyesight (Safari redesign/Swift) but is mysteriously heavy to the point she will break poorly constructed furniture (She's a Mountain)... leading to her cleaning it up. Is supposedly the daughter of Mountain Lion, who is from another planet (10.8 and onwards are from the app store).

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Post by: Aurora Borealis on March 21, 2015, 04:11:38 am
Those sound good, Kriz! I haven't been able to keep up with the different OSX versions past Mountain Lion. Only thing I can think of Mountain Lion liking retro stuff, as some of the programs have a more retro look to them, and wears clashing clothes, often with a retro look to them, as a reference to the design elements in Mountain Lion, and how they clashed with the rest of the interface.

Mavericks and Yosemite would dress more fashionably. I'm undecided as to whether Yosemite would dress like she's hiking through the mountains, or if she'd dress in a minimalist, futuristic style; the latter referencing the design changes in Yosemite, which moved towards a more minimalist look.
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Post by: Penti-chan on March 21, 2015, 08:23:52 am
TBH I thought of Yosemite dressing similarly to System 6; given how I noticed the interface of the former feels like a colorized version of the latter
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Post by: Krizonar on March 21, 2015, 12:50:12 pm
Quote from: Aurora Borealis on March 21, 2015, 04:11:38 am
Those sound good, Kriz! I haven't been able to keep up with the different OSX versions past Mountain Lion. Only thing I can think of Mountain Lion liking retro stuff, as some of the programs have a more retro look to them, and wears clashing clothes, often with a retro look to them, as a reference to the design elements in Mountain Lion, and how they clashed with the rest of the interface.

Mavericks and Yosemite would dress more fashionably. I'm undecided as to whether Yosemite would dress like she's hiking through the mountains, or if she'd dress in a minimalist, futuristic style; the latter referencing the design changes in Yosemite, which moved towards a more minimalist look.

Thank you for your praise! I was extremely sleepy so didn't cover these types of things, mostly personality and skills, but a retro-ish outfit for Mountain Lion as they moved away from real life representative elements, a rather formal outfit for Mavericks as it had a lot of optimization improvements  and a futuristic style for Yosemite due to the GUI redesign sounds nice, which could include her having a very simply shaped hat that resembles a mountain. Good ideas.
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Post by: Bella on March 21, 2015, 01:05:35 pm
Wow, thanks for the suggestions Kriz! I really like what you have so far!

Can you clarify why Mountain Lion is supposedly from a parallel planet, and why Mavericks and Yosemite are her daughters rather than sisters like the rest of the OS X lineup? Not that I disagree with the idea (I like it given the differences between OS X 10.9 & 10.10 and earlier releases), I'm just curious what your rationale is.

I really like Mavericks' bookishness and formal choice of attire (of course I would, given it's my computer's OS) and Yosemite's telepathy and futuristic dress style!

Another thing, though this is more my area of expertise/interest since I'm the Unix Fanatic around here -- Mountain Lion, Mavericks and Yosemite would all be formally a part of the Unix family (Single Unix Certification compliant), which I think would endear them somewhat to Leopard / Snow Leopard-tan (who herself was the first Mac OS X-tan to gain formal entry into the Unix family). It does leave me wondering what Lion-tan did to get disqualified/kicked out, though.
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Post by: Krizonar on March 21, 2015, 01:33:44 pm
Quote from: Bella on March 21, 2015, 01:05:35 pm
Wow, thanks for the suggestions Kriz! I really like what you have so far!

Can you clarify why Mountain Lion is supposedly from a parallel planet, and why Mavericks and Yosemite are her daughters rather than sisters like the rest of the OS X lineup? Not that I disagree with the idea (I like it given the differences between OS X 10.9 & 10.10 and earlier releases), I'm just curious what your rationale is.

I really like Mavericks' bookishness and formal choice of attire (of course I would, given it's my computer's OS) and Yosemite's telepathy and futuristic dress style!

Another thing, though this is more my area of expertise/interest since I'm the Unix Fanatic around here -- Mountain Lion, Mavericks and Yosemite would all be formally a part of the Unix family (Single Unix Certification compliant), which I think would endear them somewhat to Leopard / Snow Leopard-tan (who herself was the first Mac OS X-tan to gain formal entry into the Unix family). It does leave me wondering what Lion-tan did to get disqualified/kicked out, though.


My Mac tan intuition runs deep!

I had it that way because so far, everyone else was sent around on disc technology and descended from Rhapsody, which is descended from Steve Job's earlier works. However, Mountain Lion and onwards are distributed in a new way and have never known or been in the same timeframe as Steve (and importantly, cannot use rosetta). They also strictly get updates from the App store, so it's like the App store is the planet they are from and they are phoning home. My reason for why the two following are daughters was rather complex, but it mostly had to do with Mountain Lion being from another planet and it's known the Mac Tans use genetic engineering, so they used her to infuse a new line that seems to have features out of thin air (from iOS), which would also explain the radical name scheme change. Sort've like how System 6 has that saved by the future story and a new line made, I figured Mountain Lion would be that way too in story. It's complicated and I might not have worded it well, but I hope it's more understood.

Supposedly Lion lacked GPLv3 as it was in a state of license term changes (the company that sets the standards for it, not Apple itself.) Which would more mean Lion was cheated out of it by the bureaucracy of paperwork, which might leave her a bit embarrassed about it.
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Post by: Bella on March 21, 2015, 02:09:55 pm
Hm, I see! Given Mountain Lion's rocket and her (and her children's) "interplanetary" origins, I can't help but wonder if they would get along with Plan 9-tan (who's likewise spacey (http://c-quel.deviantart.com/art/CLUB-PIC-Plan9-and-ZombieOne-120738679) herself.) Also, kind of an aside but the whole idea of Mountain Lion being a parallel Lion makes me think of the situation with Snow Leopard, and how we've proposed that she's a time-progressed Leopard-tan from the future.

I suspected the infusion of iOS features would be a part of your reasoning for Mountain Lion & company being a separate bloodline, I'm glad to see my assumption was correct... I'd also like to note that the Unix-tans in general are heavily genetically-engineered as well, so it seems something of an inevitability that the OS X bloodline would wind up seeing some major upheavals and the inclusion of outside genetic information (in this case iOS-tan's, even though we don't really have an iOS-tan proper).

Quote from: Krizonar on March 21, 2015, 01:33:44 pmSupposedly Lion lacked GPLv3 as it was in a state of license term changes (the company that sets the standards for it, not Apple itself.) Which would more mean Lion was cheated out of it by the bureaucracy of paperwork, which might leave her a bit embarrassed about it.


Oh dear. I feel like, even if it was just a bureaucratic bungle, there would still be rumor and speculation that it was something more.

Maybe I'll try drawing these ladies later...
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Post by: Krizonar on March 21, 2015, 02:19:08 pm
Quote from: Bella on March 21, 2015, 02:09:55 pm

Maybe I'll try drawing these ladies later...

Wohoo for agreements and progress! Poor rumors though.

and yay, you know I fave all your Mac Tan art.

Not to mention have wallpapers of some I had the bravery to request... anyway, yay for the 5 minutes of Mac Tan fame, I has a happy.
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Post by: Chocofreak13 on March 21, 2015, 07:30:41 pm
*sneaks in*

not really the same idea, but we could make one of the various Siris an iOS-tan. given that s/he was bundled with the phone/OS, it could be reasoned that /she is the voice/face of the interface.

*sneaks out*

EDIT: i forgot support for XP was being dropped on the 8th. comes just a few days after AB, so it feels a bit like a sendoff, honestly. but then i found this on wakachan and i cried a bit. ;^;
(EDITEDIT: decided to upload it as an attachment as well since it was displaying rather small.)

(http://i57.tinypic.com/neujgh.jpg)
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Post by: Penti-chan on March 23, 2015, 05:15:20 pm
#Feels

Also, I thought XP support was dropped last year? :\
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Post by: Chocofreak13 on March 23, 2015, 05:16:47 pm
nope! ironically enough, it ends April 8th, right after AB. #mahfeels ;v;
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Post by: Penti-chan on March 23, 2015, 05:22:36 pm
Looking it up on Wikiped (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_XP), it ended April 8, 2014 ^^;
(I hope you're not mad at me for pointing this out ;_; )
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Post by: Bella on March 23, 2015, 08:33:01 pm
In reality XP-tan has set off on a life of wandering the eastern seaboard (http://bellacielo.deviantart.com/art/Far-From-Home-pt-I-170720342?q=&qo=), getting in fights with virus-tans (http://bellacielo.deviantart.com/art/Far-From-Home-pt-II-182492007?q=&qo=) and meeting long lost relatives (http://bellacielo.deviantart.com/art/Far-From-Home-pt-III-182492734).
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Post by: Goujer on March 23, 2015, 11:13:03 pm
I always sort of imagined it like XP-tan comes out of a van in wheel chair and is wheeled down a path to a retirement home where aged 2K-tan and ME-tan are sitting on a porch. The nurses wheel XP next to the two and there's a caption that says "Together Again". Bella's way sounds way more epic though.
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Post by: Penti-chan on March 24, 2015, 10:48:04 am
TBH I never really explained what happens to -tans after end of support; the closest was in EOTM, with the Reaper being sent to assassinate those that are outdated...but 2k sealed away the Reaper at the end of that story, so now there's no system in place to deal with that
(Besides, I think the -tans age differently from us. I mean, 3.1-tan is supposed to be one of the oldest of the Windows-tans, but she looks like a kid. Likewise, Unix-tan is still youthful, even with being one of the oldest -tans that's still alive)
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Post by: Aurora Borealis on March 24, 2015, 01:04:59 pm
There aren't any deceased Linuces, but there are a few deceased Unices, including Amiga Unix (AMIX) and XENIX. Also so far at least, there aren't any deceased Windows-tans, unless some of the prototype Windows-tans are?

The way I see it, OS-tans that aren't supported anymore just don't get support from their company anymore to keep their defenses up to date against malware and security threats; they're left to fend for themselves. Their survival is less of an issue if they're still part of a faction, like the Windows or Mac Houses, or if they have a large enough following.

The survival of discontinued OSes that don't have a faction is less certain. Some of the Windows-tans are wanderers who live on their own for most, or all of their lives. If they've lived for as long as they have as wanderers left to fend for themselves, they must all be good survivalists.

However, there's a contradiction with the Windows-tans: All of the Windows OSes from 1.0 to 95 OSR 2.5 had their support dropped at the end of 2001. Windows 1.0, 2.0, 3.2, 95 OSR 2.1 and OSR 2.5 all were exiled or left the Windows Family during the OS Wars, or shortly after it (as with the OSR 2.x sisters). I'm not sure about Windows 97, and the other unreleased Windows OSes, and if they were ever part of the Windows Family faction.

In my headcanon, I also envision that there are a few characters who by all counts, should've died long ago, but are still alive, because they've somehow cheated death many times, but know that they could die any day.

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Post by: Chocofreak13 on March 24, 2015, 04:33:39 pm
@aurora: i always figured the unreleased and 97 were, like 3.2, wanderers. that's the only one that makes sense, anyway, since i've never seen them depicted in canon artwork with anyone else regularly (sans 97 a few times, so methinks she may have dropped in on Yamada once or twice).
@lego: yours sounds so sweet, though. ;^;
@pent: i'm not mad, but i need to think of a new porn folder joke now. :0
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Post by: Bella on March 24, 2015, 06:32:36 pm
Quote from: Legojer on March 23, 2015, 11:13:03 pm
Bella's way sounds way more epic though.


Quote from: winduko on March 24, 2015, 05:46:14 am
Wow what a good fanfic.


Thanks!

Quote from: PentiumMMX on March 24, 2015, 10:48:04 am
(Besides, I think the -tans age differently from us. I mean, 3.1-tan is supposed to be one of the oldest of the Windows-tans, but she looks like a kid. Likewise, Unix-tan is still youthful, even with being one of the oldest -tans that's still alive)


Oh, absolutely. I can't speak for other people's canons but in mine, Stew's, Aurora's, C-chan's and others -tans all tend to have different maturity levels, they physically mature to a certain point and then ... they don't age past that. Remember that maturing (growing as much as you will in your lifetime) and aging (accumulating cellular damage) are different things, so it sort of makes sense that -tans wouldn't age like humans if they can indeed regenerate physically.

I can't explain the rationale for Windows 3.1-tan being young-looking (loli appeal?) but in the case of Unix-tan it was a deliberate choice on the part of C-chan to represent how simple and stripped-down Bell Labs Unix was.

Quote from: Aurora Borealis on March 24, 2015, 01:04:59 pmThe way I see it, OS-tans that aren't supported anymore just don't get support from their company anymore to keep their defenses up to date against malware and security threats; they're left to fend for themselves. Their survival is less of an issue if they're still part of a faction, like the Windows or Mac Houses, or if they have a large enough following.

The survival of discontinued OSes that don't have a faction is less certain. Some of the Windows-tans are wanderers who live on their own for most, or all of their lives. If they've lived for as long as they have as wanderers left to fend for themselves, they must all be good survivalists.


Completely agreed, I was going to say just this but you beat me to it. End of support can be disastrous for an OS-tan, but those with large, devoted user bases (as is the case with a lot of hobby retrocomputer-tans), third-party support (quite a few big iron OS-tans) or both (the DEC-tans) stand a much better chance of survival after discontinuation.

QuoteIn my headcanon, I also envision that there are a few characters who by all counts, should've died long ago, but are still alive, because they've somehow cheated death many times, but know that they could die any day.


SAGE-tan is probably the best example of this particular phenomena...

Quote from: winduko on March 24, 2015, 05:14:16 pm
Well, I guess "immortal" isn't the right term for Unices/Linuces. I guess the correct term is "ageless (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TheAgeless)."


In my canon all OS-tans are technically ageless and able to achieve immortality, but generally end up dying due to "disuse" -- since my -tans' health is generally a function of how many users they have (see Aurora's post and my reply to her). That said, the Unices and Linuces are particularly immune to dying in this manner due to peculiarities of their code & user-base.
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Post by: Chocofreak13 on March 24, 2015, 09:00:22 pm
poor SAGE has so many mental issues she'll likely never die due to being protected by her own demons. ;v;
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Post by: Penti-chan on March 24, 2015, 10:49:17 pm
With my canon, the only confirmed death thus far is ME-tan...which I admit it something I have regrets over doing, but TBH I felt it was the only way for the plot of that story to work...but at least, IMO, she put up one hell of a fight before she finally fell.

As far as beta OSes, Neptune is still very much alive, but has her powers sealed away, while Odyssey is in the care of 2k-kun (Which is something that will eventually be elaborated on in a short story).

Maybe I could explore further into it eventually; I mean, Bella did mentioned a while back that Multics has been resurrected via emulation, so maybe some story on that, elaborating on how death works?
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Post by: Chocofreak13 on March 25, 2015, 04:32:21 am
i think that's an important thing for each of us to explore in our own canons. :0
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Post by: Goujer on March 25, 2015, 09:55:43 pm
Here's a question, who is light blue hair in this twitter post:
https://twitter.com/windows8_ai/status/549819616088707072
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B6FaBuDCYAEuKKc.jpg)
Windows 10?
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Post by: Chocofreak13 on March 26, 2015, 04:29:16 pm
no. as it is we don't even know if the blonde one is claudia. could be IE, but actually they premiered Inori before the 8-tans, so that's doubtful. she MIGHT be windows phone. looks a bit similar.

@kodomo: Cairo survived in the form of components absorbed by other OSes. ik Vista had some, idk if they carried over to future OSes. further research needed.
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Post by: Chocofreak13 on March 26, 2015, 08:48:01 pm
=w=

Microsoft doesn't have any genderflips. and given that those are the 'official' windows 8 cosplayers, that has to be an official event. meaning that CAN'T be Nanao.
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Post by: Penti-chan on March 26, 2015, 09:10:34 pm
She is the -tan for Windows Atsiv; a super-secret project taking place in the trunk of Steve Ballmer's Bentley, which will kill the competition by making them laugh themselves to death. It's flawless! : D
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Post by: Chocofreak13 on March 27, 2015, 03:28:25 am
oh goddammit pent. xD
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Post by: Bella on March 28, 2015, 12:14:03 pm
Quote from: PentiumMMX on March 24, 2015, 10:49:17 pm
Maybe I could explore further into it eventually; I mean, Bella did mentioned a while back that Multics has been resurrected via emulation, so maybe some story on that, elaborating on how death works?


My theories about OS-tan life force and death aren't as well formed as I would like them to be but I imagine as long as an OS-tan's source (which is the genetic blueprint from which they are created) is intact, they can be resurrected.

How this works for hardware-tans (like rebuilt Colossus & WITCH), I don't know.
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Post by: Chocofreak13 on March 28, 2015, 01:35:12 pm
maybe it's something that should be explored with everyone either here or in theories thread. :0
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Post by: Bella on March 29, 2015, 06:42:49 pm
Maybe!

Remember the time C-Chan basically predicted a major plot point of Kill La Kill when he suggested that Linux-tan's suit should represent the GNU Userland (the thing that puts the GNU in GNU/Linux) and be a living entity that gives whoever wears it superhuman powers? Because I do and you should too.  (https://ostan-collections.net/forum/index.php?topic=627.msg40849#msg40849)

Quote from: C-Chan on November 21, 2007, 11:46:10 amBut since some sort of personification is required to explain the union between GNU + Linux, I imagined that during the young Linux-chan's early travels she encountered a living suit that would wonder the lands looking for a worthy master (or perhaps waiting for one in some RPG-inspired cave).  Not only does she pass the trials, but she does so using only her wits (in lieu of her then poor strength) and without ever losing sight of her good intentions.  This inspires GNU to the point where It not only cedes the suit to her (you know,... that famous helmet, spear, etc), but It also agrees to accompany her in her travels.  ^^


Before anyone asks: Yes, this is becoming a drawing.
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Post by: NejinOniwa on March 29, 2015, 08:06:46 pm
Hardware v Software is, in the end, an abstraction. What we're looking at is a case much like a human brain (a physical entity - perhaps several if multiple copies exist) in the case of the hardware entity; the hardware itself fills the same function as the source code of a software-based entity, while also being a functioning node (power source). The software entity, on the other hand, is reliant on both a source (code) and a node, which are separate entities. They can "live" without an active node, as long as a source remains. Since a functioning node also is a source, the opposite is impossible to achieve.
Or to get a bit formulaic, let's have HE represent hardware entities, SE software entities, N node and S the source. D, or dependency, is the sum of conditions that need to be fulfilled for an entity to continue functioning.

Code (Hardware entity dependencies) Select
D(HE)=1NS where S⊂N
Code (Software entity dependencies) Select
D(SE)=1S where S⊂N
To use a more human example, a hardware entity's "brain" is always connected to its "heart". Damage to one of them will result in damage to the other. A software entity, on the other hand, has its vitals disconnected from each other, and is only reliant on its "brain" to keep existing, though it requires power from the "heart" to accomplish anything meaningful. Similar situations to a SE without a N can occur if a HE has a NS that is intact (or if disassembled, more or less "secure" meaning its parts are all there and haven't been scavenged for other uses) but nonoperational; WITCH went through this kind of limbo for several years.

The direct relation between a HE and its node - which supplies it with power - while placing the entity at risk, also lets them enjoy greater amounts of power from a single node than a SE. A single HE node can supply it with a very high percentage of its potential power, and every new node added to the network stacks additively (20%+20%=40%) to determine its new power. A SE on the other hand receives far less power from a single node - due to its more disconnected nature - and additional nodes stack multiplicatively (20%+20%=20%*1.2=24%) to determine new power. This is how HEs like Colossus can be absurdly powerful with only a handful of nodes even when pitted against a SE like Linux, with millions upon millions of nodes at her disposal.


On this topic, "Death" (or "Hard death") for a HE results whenever they are without a functioning or intact/complete disassembled node, whereas an SE requires the elimination of the source code to "Die". However, the limbo state of powerlessness has deteriorative effects on both HE and SE; if left without an active or assembled node for too long, their consciousness will fall victim to corruption, decay, and eventually, "soft death". A "soft dead" entity is just as dead as a "Hard dead" entity if left alone, but can be revived using code alone; something like a very advanced defibrillator in code form, used to stitch their failed source together again, and inject life back into the entity itself.

Reviving an entity from "Hard death" is, as might be guessed, a lot more difficult, and generally carries a lot more risks and side-effects for everyone involved. As evidenced by Colossus, however, it IS possible - if at a staggeringly high price.
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Post by: Bella on March 30, 2015, 01:31:58 am
Oh my, I really want to type up a proper reply to this when I'm not about to go to sleep, but I like what you're onto here!

By nodes you mean the number of running instances of a hardware / software, right?
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Post by: NejinOniwa on March 30, 2015, 06:33:10 am
Not necessarily running, as a node can be inactive or disassembled and still fulfill the dependencies of any entity. An Active Node is what you're describing with that. However, active nodes are the norm.
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Post by: Goujer on March 31, 2015, 11:08:30 pm
Nanami's Twitter is posting again with a #10co in all of her posts.
Not only that but her profile picture is a silhouette of somebody unknown.
https://twitter.com/windows7_nanami
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Post by: Penti-chan on April 01, 2015, 04:30:29 pm
Holy bleep on a bleep sandwich, guys! I came up with the best thing evar!

2k is actually a Unix with amnesia! It makes perfect sense in that it doesn't make sense at all beyond it meaning 2k and PDP-11 could go on a colossal cave adventure : D
I'm basically grasping at straws for an April Fools joke this year -w-;
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Post by: Chocofreak13 on April 06, 2015, 09:51:01 am
Whatever floats your boat, dude. Provided you don't try to edit the wiki with anything original without getting group concensus first.

@pent: does this make the 2k x Sonata pairing incest? :0
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Post by: Penti-chan on April 06, 2015, 10:35:31 am
#AprilFools -w-;

(Also, not sure; given that OS9 was the last Mac OS Classic build, before they went to Unix-based for OSX. So, some sort of relative? IDK)
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Post by: Chocofreak13 on April 06, 2015, 12:32:44 pm
COUSINS.

KISSING COUSINS.
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Post by: Bella on April 06, 2015, 01:36:13 pm
The Mac OS X-tans and the Mac Classic-tans would be step siblings. Definitely a family, just not genetically related.

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Post by: Chocofreak13 on April 06, 2015, 02:11:09 pm
but, if 2k WERE a Unix, would Sonata x 2k be Incest?
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Post by: Bella on April 06, 2015, 02:37:11 pm
Depends on what your definition of incest is...

If it includes step siblings, yes, if not, then no.

In fiction, at least, I'm not inclined to count step siblings, so I'd say "no".
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Post by: Penti-chan on April 06, 2015, 04:25:51 pm
:3
Now I know, and 50% of the conflict is knowledge!
GI DOOD~

Also, I'm seriously tempted to eventually make a short story around that idea, for the lulz. Maybe have CB Unix bust through the wall like the Kool-Aid Man when she senses PDP-11 was about to try and hook up with a different Unix? ^^;
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Post by: Penti-chan on April 06, 2015, 05:29:23 pm
...why haven't I made that connection before? It would make sense for 2k to be a decedent of Xenix. Hurray for making an April Fools joke into something I could get behind for an one-off short story! : D
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Post by: Bella on April 06, 2015, 06:52:01 pm
Quote from: Chocofreak13 on April 06, 2015, 02:10:29 pm
I really don't know why, unless you're upset more over the lack of homushipping. :\


(Since my copy/paste didn't work I'll type a new reply to this here, apologies.)

As I said in my original (now accidentally deleted) post in the Windows 10-tan thread, there are het (and yaoi) ships I like but my standards are much higher. I really have to like the characters and their relationship to support a het or yaoi ship, while I don't need that level of emotional investment to enjoy a yuri ship.

As for het pregnancy/children, the above is also true but it's also shaded by my admittedly extreme views on het pregnancy (fictional or real) - this isn't the place to discuss it but suffice to say the power dynamics/power imbalance inherent to them tends to offput me. Whereas yuri pregnancy/children carry with them no such uncomfortable power dynamics.

Finally there's the matter of subversion; let's face it, sexuality and reproduction are generally viewed through a very male-centered* lens with women being viewed as passive partners and receptacles, by removing males from the equation you're making the radical statement that dudes aren't the center of everything in life.

*I'd argue the more accurate statement here is "penis-centered", but that's another discussion for another time.

Quote from: Winduko on April 06, 2015, 04:59:44 pm
Regardless, both do exist, but homoshipping is far more relevant than hetshipping among the OS-gijinkas in my canon.


I was gonna write something insightful here, but then I realized how complex sexuality is in my particular OS-tan canon and lost the will to. ><
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Post by: Penti-chan on April 06, 2015, 10:49:54 pm
TBH, the only canon hetship in my stories would be Rodney x 2k...although even that's up for debate right now, given that one short story I need to finish, where Rodney Ramona has sex with Nichi >w>;
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Post by: Chocofreak13 on April 06, 2015, 11:01:01 pm
@kodomo: i can't seem to find it, but i recall a Simuro Yonkoma (the Homeo Strips) in which 98 says (and i quote) "These candies Yamada gave me are totally addictive."
the strip went on to have SE display hurt feelings over 98 spending so much time with her "new friend" Yamada, so methinks the relationship between the 98s and Yamada is something that boils down the respective artist, if it even exists at all in some canons.

@homo/hetero: while i will agree that there is a lot of power play among children of homo partners vs children of hetero partners, to put that spin on OS-tan to me feels kind of negative. we can make this as positive and inclusive a fandom as we want it to be. think about that.
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Post by: Bella on April 06, 2015, 11:34:13 pm
@Pent: There are actually quite a few hetships I support -- just off the top of my head, among my & Stew's -tans I'm fond of CTSS/Selectric, SAGE/FASTRAND, Multics/Emacs, KRONOS/MTS and/or BUIC and/or Multics and IAS/whoever. And Leopard/Selectric if we're counting weird romantically tense friendships rather than ships proper.

@Kari: True. And at least in my interpretation of the OS-tanverse, computer society is matriarchal so it seems unlikely they'd even have those inherent male-female power structures to begin with.
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Post by: Chocofreak13 on April 07, 2015, 02:29:59 am
tbh a female-centric universe seems canon anyway in the OS-tan world. s'why they lead the household and the menfolk pretty much just do what they're told. the only exception is 2k-kun (and occasionally NT-kun), but then, he's one of the few who are employed/not self-employed.
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Post by: Goujer on April 19, 2015, 02:45:31 pm
I need some help, in my obsession to add OS-tans to every electronic I own I have come across the problem of being unable to find a(n appropriate) PS3 or Mac OS 8 tan/kun wallpaper. Does anyone have any hidden in some long forgotten folder on their computer?
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Post by: Chocofreak13 on April 20, 2015, 11:12:34 am
the gallery should have a few console-tans under the "Other" catagory. as for Mac, pretty sure 8 was the little kid with the Inner Tube and the Rainbow Hat, and artwork of her is scarce. either dig deep, troll on image sites (a booru, pixiv, kasumi uploader or wakachan), or commission it. :\
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Post by: Goujer on April 20, 2015, 02:20:31 pm
Thank you.
Yay!
(http://puu.sh/hkOk9/538f2d7dbe.jpg)
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Post by: Chocofreak13 on April 20, 2015, 08:11:51 pm
aha, that's one of my favourite Kyourou pics. glad you found one you like. ^^
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Post by: Penti-chan on May 03, 2015, 05:55:12 pm
After seeing this image (https://40.media.tumblr.com/2fd33a7ee4fa2bd771110c73b98c9871/tumblr_nnfsboWUeO1t2as4so1_540.jpg) (Which I kinda think is shopped, but I lack an iPhone to test), and verifying that is indeed what their website (https://web.archive.org/web/19961219205128/http://www.pizzahut.com/) looked like in 1996, I have come to this conclusion:

SCO Unix-tan secretly likes Pizza Hut. Thoughts? :3
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Post by: Chocofreak13 on May 03, 2015, 06:00:55 pm
eh, wasn't there some kind of pizza endorsement deal with a computer company back in the 90's? seems legit to me.
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Post by: Bella on May 04, 2015, 10:52:42 am
>Implying it would be secret

Pizza is the perfect food for the frivolous litigator on the go!
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Post by: Penti-chan on May 04, 2015, 12:28:48 pm
@Kari: I remember Pizza Hut and Sony having a tie-in promo for PlayStation, around the time Stuffed Crust came out; leading to Crash Bandicoot reminding us to eat the pizza backwards (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NLbYMZoF3QY).

@Duko: Neat; kinda reminds me how the official website for Space Jam (http://www2.warnerbros.com/spacejam/movie/jam.htm) still exists almost 20 years after the movie came out xD
It's the jamminest website

@Bella: If she ever appears in my story, pizza will be mentioned -w-

...this leaves me wondering what the various -tans would like on their pizzas. Would any of them like pineapple on a pizza? -w-;
(TBH I'm on the fence on if 2k would or not -w-; )
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Post by: Bella on May 25, 2015, 09:31:59 pm
I'll consider it! I've only ever RPed as fairly obscure OS-tans though (i.e. my characters) so IDK if they'd be able to fit into any RPs you have in mind.
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Post by: NejinOniwa on June 29, 2015, 04:21:17 pm
Well, Ruka, I wasn't expecting to see you this soon
(http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g239/NejinOniwa/WW3_zpsu8jf5ghu.png) (http://www.vox.com/2015/6/29/8858909/russia-war-flowchart)

fug
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Post by: Chocofreak13 on June 29, 2015, 08:29:02 pm
frak man.
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Post by: Bella on June 30, 2015, 01:01:22 am
Wait, what?
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Post by: NejinOniwa on June 30, 2015, 09:06:11 am
There IS a war going on, you know. On several fronts. Sure, there isn't any direct confrontations between NATO and Russian forces yet, because it's all proxy conflicts; ISIS and the shiite (well, non-sunni at least) Syrians with their respective suppliers, Ukraine and Donbass with the same. Problem is, other people take these wars more seriously than the west seem to be doing. If the west gets their hand in too deep in either cookie jar and forces Iran or Russia to act directly - or if shit hits the fan and NATO escalates too close to their borders - Russia going nuclear isn't unlikely, just as their Nuclear Doctrine makes clear. And once things start getting a bit too hot, Ruka has her hand on the Apocalypse Trigger.

That'd actually make for a nice picture. Ruka wired up, with her hand on a big red button. Makes for a bit of realism.
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Post by: Chocofreak13 on June 30, 2015, 10:43:04 am
if someone illustrates what Nej just described, have a red phone somewhere in the background and a jostled coffee mug in the foreground. jittery Ruka. -w-
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Post by: Cockleshell on July 13, 2015, 09:53:29 pm
LOOK WHAT I FOUND

I DONT THINK THIS WARRANTS ANOTHER TOPIC AND ITS ON TOPIC SO UH

(http://i.imgur.com/8xyfU6B.gif) (http://i.imgur.com/ORl3CD0.gif)

(http://i.imgur.com/Udh7w20.jpg) (http://i.imgur.com/NAt82cm.gif)

(http://i.imgur.com/pRV9kef.gif)

SOURCE! http://moonlightorange.deviantart.com/
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Post by: Chocofreak13 on July 13, 2015, 10:23:50 pm
oooooooooh, these are gawgeous. *0*

did they label which system is which? ARE THEY IN THE GALLERY YET!?!
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Post by: Cockleshell on July 13, 2015, 10:34:41 pm
THATS YOUR JOB KARI

PS4/XBone/WiiU/AMD/NVidia
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Post by: Chocofreak13 on July 13, 2015, 11:17:22 pm
OKAY I WILL IN A LITTLE WHILE IT'S NAP TIME NOW
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Post by: Goujer on July 23, 2015, 08:33:40 am
Whilest at work with nothing to do I made an acrylic OS-tan plac with the help of my coworker, which he then used as a reference for the best way to engrave animated things into acrylic. So now I have 5 of them, expect pics soon.
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Post by: Chocofreak13 on July 23, 2015, 11:54:59 am
oooo! super-cool. are you willing to take commissions?
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Post by: Goujer on July 23, 2015, 01:20:23 pm
Sure.
I limit myself to using only scrap so it will mostly be on transparent acrylic.

(https://photos-1.dropbox.com/t/2/AADvlIxdJ5tDFY7k_s3x1-kAW41VMBPpmu6iyu-zm27IWg/12/130942168/jpeg/1024x768/3/1437678000/0/2/DSC_0436.JPG/CNiJuD4gASACIAMgBCAFIAYgBygC/PvXLlCQ-SHdxrh0IUUNAyQwkgcKCPpZ7UrumbI8A9KI)
(https://photos-4.dropbox.com/t/2/AADerZAdNoPmPbG0CuWkR550mmmbW179WpRlqi2rAMqNUA/12/130942168/jpeg/1024x768/3/1437678000/0/2/DSC_0438.JPG/CNiJuD4gASACIAMgBCAFIAYgBygC/fHjgYx02DL1CT_hAPX95_0eLKkWTkPkFZZUwkXxpm8k)
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Post by: Cockleshell on July 23, 2015, 01:57:52 pm
it's beautiful, you really should do more, i'd buy some
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Post by: Penti-chan on July 23, 2015, 02:14:10 pm
I needs this *w*
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Post by: Chocofreak13 on July 23, 2015, 04:08:54 pm
@lego: transparent is fine, it can be layered with translucent paints to get a coloured effect.
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Post by: Goujer on July 23, 2015, 04:17:35 pm
It's up to you to paint it then.

I asked my boss about the requests and he said $20 per one.

I might be able to bring them cheaper but they will take longer to make and there sizes may greatly vary.
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Post by: Cockleshell on July 23, 2015, 04:20:07 pm
your images bonked
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Post by: Chocofreak13 on July 23, 2015, 04:22:17 pm
@legs: that's cool, i expected around there. :0
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Post by: Goujer on July 23, 2015, 04:24:37 pm
I found a piece in the junk right now that may hold up to 3 prints it is 0.5" thick and 21" by 5.5"

Update: If anyone has an idea of what to print let me know.

Update 2: I'm gonna try to do this next:
(https://ostan-collections.net/imeeji/albums/userpics/10622/1159794128689.jpg)
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Post by: Chocofreak13 on July 24, 2015, 11:50:35 am
looks complicated. good luck! :0
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Post by: Goujer on July 24, 2015, 01:48:42 pm
Its actually pretty easy, I put it in a program and it makes the prints it, there is a little prep work but not much.
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Post by: Penti-chan on July 24, 2015, 02:17:40 pm
Neat. I may consider making a request...and then figure out some way to mount it in a cabinet with lights -w-
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Post by: Chocofreak13 on July 24, 2015, 10:55:43 pm
*begins pondering possibilities of this*
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Post by: Bella on July 25, 2015, 02:07:48 pm
If I ever think of something to request I might have you make something!
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Post by: Chocofreak13 on July 25, 2015, 09:47:08 pm
same here. lotsa potential but no ideas yet. -w-;
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Post by: Goujer on August 01, 2015, 01:18:46 pm
Finally I have gotten these photos on to puush.
(http://puu.sh/jlxoK/75f1275013.JPG)
(http://puu.sh/jlx3Z/1e6317415d.JPG)
(http://puu.sh/jlxjo/a7d79d0cc1.JPG)
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Post by: Penti-chan on August 01, 2015, 01:23:39 pm
Does want *w*
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Post by: Cockleshell on August 01, 2015, 03:26:43 pm
I have a burning need for one. Please set up some way for us to buy these from you!
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Post by: Chocofreak13 on August 01, 2015, 11:14:04 pm
guh this is going to be my life now thankyou so much Lego
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Post by: Goujer on August 07, 2015, 08:37:42 am
Okay I think I have an idea as to how to ship these things out, I'll charge $7 for the chips and $12 for the transparent plates. They come in varrying quality so that is why the price is low. Also it will not include shipping.
Chips can contain most of the main OS-tans and will have an adhesive on the back. I have XP and ME done with 95 and 2K in the works (PM me if you want me to try another one)
I have a 4 plates already and can make about one more.
If you know of an image you would like me to try please send it here.
I will most likely be using PayPal for payment and USPS for shipping. PM me if you would like to buy one.
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Post by: Cockleshell on August 07, 2015, 08:42:51 am
have you got a paypal or anywhere else we can actually send the funds to you?
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Post by: Goujer on August 07, 2015, 04:04:29 pm
This being my first time charging people with PayPal I believe the easiest way is for you to send me P.M.s containing what you want along with the address to ship it to, and the email or mobile number associated with your PayPal account. That way I can find out the cost of shipping to the address, add the price of the merch to the cost of shipping and send a request of transaction to your PayPal; this will probably be via a notification on your PayPal account or email.
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Post by: Chocofreak13 on August 07, 2015, 08:05:14 pm
if you have this job in a year's time, i'll be calling on you. this would be a hot commodity at AB and the Fandom Flea Market. AB's in the spring, however, and the flea market's in a week.

i'd have to mail you the cash, though. :\
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Post by: alfonso_rd_30 on August 09, 2015, 02:54:12 pm
Quote from: Chocofreak13 on August 07, 2015, 08:05:14 pm
if you have this job in a year's time, i'll be calling on you. this would be a hot commodity at AB and the Fandom Flea Market. AB's in the spring, however, and the flea market's in a week.

i'd have to mail you the cash, though. :\

mailing cash is ilegal in most of the world I think...
oh, and I'm back a bit

regarding the (gorgeous) acrilic designs, would be nice to have some done only the line art
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Post by: Chocofreak13 on August 10, 2015, 12:05:53 am
no, it isn't. i've sent cash through the mail before, and i don't think i know anyone who hasn't. it's risky, but it's efficient. and if all else fails i'd get a money order. :0

nice to see you back, bro. ^^
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Post by: alfonso_rd_30 on August 10, 2015, 12:57:31 am
thank you, I do remember reading on the Mexican post service website they told it was illegal to mail money...

good 2 bee back
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Post by: DustiiWolf on August 10, 2015, 11:06:25 pm
http://mynintendonews.com/2015/08/10/gunvolt-and-more-confirmed-for-runbow-on-wii-u-eshop/

Huh. Unity-chan is making her way to Wii U as a character in Runbow.
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Post by: alfonso_rd_30 on August 11, 2015, 03:25:20 am
looks cute
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Post by: Goujer on October 11, 2015, 12:51:00 am
Is this Firefox-tan or just some fox girl? http://www.thingiverse.com/thing:339191
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Post by: Chocofreak13 on October 11, 2015, 09:09:21 pm
i have NEVER seen an iteration of FF that young. couple that with most drawings of her either being naked or in shrine maiden garb, and i'd say that's more than likely an OC.
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Post by: Chocofreak13 on November 09, 2015, 11:54:01 am
it really depends on what the roleplay is about. if it's OS characters, i'm leaning no, but only because i feel like i couldn't do them justice since i didn't write their character. ^^;
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Post by: Penti-chan on December 03, 2015, 03:29:20 pm
EDIT: Nevermind
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Post by: Cockleshell on December 08, 2016, 09:55:22 am
It's relevant!

(http://68.media.tumblr.com/d4f03edcb4fe958929e7a35bf61b18c9/tumblr_inline_ogdpo6gqkp1rqb10t_500.png)

Rejoice!
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Post by: Goujer on December 12, 2016, 09:48:21 am
This brings up the question of what color would PC be?
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Post by: Goujer on February 01, 2017, 10:15:44 pm
So quick question.

Does anyone know the origin of these OS Idol Win-chan figures? She's clearly a -tan of some sort but her origin is a little hard to find.

(https://myanimeshelf.com//upload/dynamic/2011-12/18/main1.jpg)
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Post by: LeaflameSD on February 02, 2017, 09:52:35 am
All I could find was this:
(http://necosaba.com/putty/stock/winchan.jpg)
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Post by: Bella on February 03, 2017, 12:03:45 am
I wondered about this at one point myself! I'm pretty sure it's a generic "Windows-tan" that doesn't personify any particular release.
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Post by: Goujer on March 30, 2017, 12:48:00 am
But why does she seem to have so much merch?

Also, I gave myself this for Christmas.

(http://puu.sh/v32n8/aa536a475e.jpg)
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Post by: LeaflameSD on March 30, 2017, 04:55:22 pm
That's lit
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Post by: Penti-chan on April 01, 2017, 10:58:27 am
Nice; I have one, too, with ME-tan :3

(TFW 2k-tan is nigh-on impossible to find ;_; )
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Post by: Bella on April 01, 2017, 11:44:06 am
Awesome find, Le-Goujer!

I actually haven't had much time to work on OS-tan things lately. I hope to fix this come summer... ;___;