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OS-tan discussions => OS-tan Fan-Fics, Comics and Fan-Stuff => Topic started by: Aurora Borealis on December 06, 2010, 06:40:33 pm

Title: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Aurora Borealis on December 06, 2010, 06:40:33 pm
Got a message from someone on DA who plans on joining, and contributing to the Wiki. This person suggested that the pages' presentations need some major overhauling, especially since some of the wiki avis do look awful and need replacing, (And to think I thought they looked good at the time! What was I thinking?) and it doesn't help that the wiki has been neglected for at least a year now so there's a lot of outdated stuff on it.

I think the 100x100 avatars (the better-looking ones) would still work for the Annex Project and its simplified nature, but just using an image that small for the full pages doesn't do them any justice. How about for the templates in the wiki pages, we use larger images instead?

How about it? Let's breathe some new life into this stagnating project!
Title: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: NejinOniwa on December 06, 2010, 06:50:43 pm
Does sound like a plan. What would be necessary also, is to look at the current material produced and relevant to that reshape the pages. And srsbzns newcomers are welcome always -w-

It'd help for me and the others doing literary work, though, if we could get a better defining picture to work with as character stuff. This should be a key target of the "new wiki".
Title: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Aurora Borealis on December 06, 2010, 06:55:14 pm
Yeah! This should be done on a case-by-case basis. Some pages need rewriting if the information is outdated (whether it's technical information, or if it's due to OS-tan characterization marching on), and some need to be added on to because that character's backstory had been expanded on at some point afterwards.

The most ambitious part will be to keep track of all the characters, since so many new ones have been made this year that aren't even listed! x__x
Title: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Krizonar on December 06, 2010, 07:27:34 pm
I could possibly help with writing? :D
Title: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Bella on December 06, 2010, 07:29:13 pm
I have no qualms about the layout or avatars. If anything, I think it would take away from the main focus:

Working on CHARACTER INFO and BACKGROUND, BACKGROUND, BACKGROUND.

That said, I am fonder of the Annex cause of it's easy, everything-in-a-simple-list format. = =
Title: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Aurora Borealis on December 06, 2010, 07:33:13 pm
Okay. The Annex Project will stay, of course, as a user-friendly way into the OS-tan universe that can't get bogged down by too many details at once. Need help with writing and rewriting stuff! Absolutely!

For the layout, should we keep the better-looking avatars, or instead use larger images. Personally I'm starting to prefer using larger images to get a better glimpse of the characters than just a small headshot. I'll start looking for pictures and come up with a sample. Anyone?
Title: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Bella on December 06, 2010, 07:39:21 pm
I vote using as many pre-made images as possible -- chibis, full-sized, whatever -- rather than making new. portraits. for everyone. That would just be waaaaaay too much work, even for a small team of people... = =

What dimensions are we talking, Aurora?
Title: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Aurora Borealis on December 06, 2010, 07:55:58 pm
I was thinking about 200x200 or 300x300. Of course I'll try to use as many pre-made images as possible!

For the overhauled template, I had something like this in mind, which I hope can be constructed and translated into wiki code!

(http://ostan-collections.net/imeeji/albums/userpics/10307/normal_testtemplate.png)
Title: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Krizonar on December 06, 2010, 07:59:08 pm
Can help write for the Mac Tans yes? :)

and oooh, I like the Template.

Perhaps we can have neatly designed backgrounds based on alliance?
Title: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Aurora Borealis on December 06, 2010, 08:19:50 pm
Okay! And thanks! :)

I also like the idea of color-coded templates. Maybe not necessarily for the factions, but for Windows, Mac, Unix (proprietary vs. Open Source), Linux, DOS, Home computer, Mainframe, DOS, Hobbyist (also proprietary vs. Open Source)
Title: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Krizonar on December 06, 2010, 08:36:29 pm
I'm going to help update the very thing that got me into this....

/faints and leaves pic

http://i428.photobucket.com/albums/qq5/zchozo/loltest.png

just a quick makeup. Hope it's not too terrible and I am aware it's big.
Title: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Aurora Borealis on December 06, 2010, 08:48:53 pm
I like it! However, it looks hard to translate into wiki code. I'll see what I can do. If I can't get that layout, I could at least use the color scheme.
Title: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Krizonar on December 06, 2010, 08:51:17 pm
Yay! and sorry, my wiki-code is a bit basic (I have made a few wiki pages in the past though); I should've thought more about that.

edit; I just realized Windows ME's "latest stable release" is left blank. fricken LOL'D
Title: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Bella on December 08, 2010, 12:57:33 pm
Yeah, it looks good Chozo but very difficult to implement in wikicode. Which I know nothing of.
Title: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: stewartsage on December 08, 2010, 09:16:06 pm
Ergh, the wiki; I love it but can't ever contribute anything productive.  I swore to write up biographies and such for my characters.  When there were about three or four.  I think I got SAGE and Whirlwind finished, didn't I Aurora-hime?
Title: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Aurora Borealis on December 08, 2010, 09:48:15 pm
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edit; I just realized Windows ME's "latest stable release" is left blank. fricken LOL'D


That was semi-intentional, couldn't remember what the last release of ME was, but then decided to leave it blank as a joke. :)

@stewartsage: Yeah. You PMed those to me and I put them up. Can't you log on to it? If you can't log on to it, you should contact one of the admins, and in the meantime put the bios in here.
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Currently I'm working on a template based off of this one (http://ostan-collections.net/wiki/Template:OSinfobox), but will accommodate larger pictures and more info.
Title: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Bella on December 08, 2010, 09:48:48 pm
Thought you were the one who wrote the Whirlwind and SAGE articles. -v-
Title: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: stewartsage on December 08, 2010, 10:11:06 pm
Nope, I just made Aurora-hime post them since I couldn't/can't log into the wiki.  I've done everything suggested to get in, none of it works though :/
Title: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Chocofreak13 on December 08, 2010, 10:21:12 pm
i think i almost offered to track down pre-made images of -tans and -kuns, it's pretty much a hobby for me anyway. :\

other than that, i'm willing to draw up lil' sketches, and provide information on some -tans and -kuns (especially the -kuns).

i like aurora's layout the best, it's easy to read and very straightforward.

if i remember right, the laast stable release of ME was sept. 00'. wiki confirmed it. :\

i never understood how to "log in" to the wiki. :\
Title: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Krizonar on December 08, 2010, 11:13:22 pm
Quote from: "Aurora Borealis"
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edit; I just realized Windows ME's "latest stable release" is left blank. fricken LOL'D


That was semi-intentional, couldn't remember what the last release of ME was, but then decided to leave it blank as a joke. :)

That's how I took it :D
ME? Stable? Nah!
Title: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Chocofreak13 on December 09, 2010, 09:01:54 am
actually, it's all in how you take care of it. as with any OS, regular virus scans, updates and defrags can keep ME-tan in good working order. my sister knows a few people who still keep it around, since there's a few games made solely for ME that they like.

Vista is the ME of my generation, but i knew people who liked it just fine. :3
Title: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: stewartsage on December 09, 2010, 11:12:32 am
Your generation? Kari, aren't you a year younger then me? >>

For the record I never knew anyone who used ME; NT, 2K, XP, 95, 98, System 7, System 8 & 9 however...
Title: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Bella on December 09, 2010, 10:04:58 pm
Meant YOU, Stew... but Aurora beat my post to the punch.

I actually know someone who used (uses?) ME.
Title: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Chocofreak13 on December 11, 2010, 11:41:35 pm
i'd like to use ME. but i don't have a home for her. :\

i say "ME of my generation" because i can barely remember the early 2000's. hell, all i really remember of the year 2000 is a badass new years party and that my (favourite) aunt died. :[
Title: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Bella on December 15, 2010, 03:33:29 pm
ME could be the only vintage Windows release I've never felt compelled to try... >>;
Title: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Aurora Borealis on December 15, 2010, 04:16:44 pm
I've used ME fairly recently, when helping a friend fix a 10-year old junky computer and get it a new hard drive since it was missing one, we installed ME on it, but had to do so from the command line in order to re-format the hard drive from NTFS to FAT. Our experience with ME wasn't too bad, and we were able to sell the computer to someone who wanted a machine to play his favorite DOS games on.
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Now, back on-topic, who's doing what for this project?
Title: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Chocofreak13 on December 18, 2010, 06:56:41 pm
what needs to be done? after tuesday i will has tiem -w-
Title: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Aurora Borealis on December 18, 2010, 07:14:21 pm
Currently:

-Work on the infobox template

-include either 200x200 or 300x300 (we'll see what works better in the infobox) pics of characters. There are some I'm working on right now, but try to use as many premade pics as possible.

-Character details: Descriptions, backstory, maybe even technical details and references. Replace outdated information if there is any.

-OS-tan faction details, many Annex Project articles are still incomplete.

-OS-tan conjecture articles (i.e: OS-tan 'species' article has a lot of potential)

-Catalogue as many OS-tan stories and comics as we can. See this page (http://ostan-collections.net/wiki/OSC_Manga_Guide)
Title: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Chocofreak13 on December 18, 2010, 09:32:49 pm
it's a matter of assign me something, and i'll do my best to do it (descripts especially, since i can do that all on the computer).
Title: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Aurora Borealis on December 18, 2010, 09:48:04 pm
What part would you like to do? Is there anything in particular that gets your attention?  I'd like to know what everyone involved is going to start with in this project, to try and avoid redundant work.
Title: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Chocofreak13 on December 19, 2010, 12:28:33 am
descriptions/bios are nice, and you know i like doing art, it's more a matter of i never get around to posting it. :\
Title: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Krizonar on December 19, 2010, 03:08:17 am
I can try for the Character Details for the Mac Tans, like I said, if that's alright.

I just hope I don't write any info that is outdated.
Title: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Aurora Borealis on December 19, 2010, 12:31:27 pm
Okay! To help you out, I'll work on the Annex Project bios for them.

Your information on your Mac-tan family tree is up to date, btw. :)
Title: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Chocofreak13 on December 19, 2010, 12:52:57 pm
as i said on the last page, i'd be happy to fill in information about the OS-kuns, even if i have to come up with some myself (based on photos, comics, and the OS itself of course).
Title: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Aurora Borealis on December 19, 2010, 12:59:18 pm
Okay! I'm glad to know who wants to do what right now! Improvising details is good too.
Title: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Bella on December 19, 2010, 01:03:58 pm
I will be working on:
-Profiles within my "field" of expertise (in case any of you forgot: I'm a self-taught New England OS-tan anthropologist, specializing in the MIT and DEC cultures)
-Renovating existing descrips that need updating
-Faction/group descriptions (again, the MIT-tans, DEC-tans, and the lesser cultures of the region)
-Species and races (this is a hot button topic since not everyone will agree with the proposals, but Nej and Stew and I have discussed it and come to consensuses in the past... should still be presented as theory, not "canon" however).
-Mac-tans aren't my field of expertise, but I'd like to work on Snow/Leopard's bios (since I'm one of a few people who can properly describe the time-bending nature of that character, probably.) =w=
Title: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Chocofreak13 on December 19, 2010, 01:19:55 pm
if you can give me a wiki page, i can make a bio for a particular OS. :3

also, i'd be happy to discuss particular races/species within the OS world. i still think that idea of races/classes/etc that we were discussing a few months ago sounds like an interesting storyline element, even if it's not part of the "main" storyline. worth more discussion, in my opinion.
Title: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Bella on December 19, 2010, 01:47:51 pm
Here's CTSS' page, updated

http://ostan-collections.net/wiki/CTSS

I'm going to be using the technical info/character description/history and background/theories and (creators) notes template for any I do, just so yous know. = =
Title: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Aurora Borealis on December 19, 2010, 01:57:09 pm
Good job! :D
Title: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Chocofreak13 on December 19, 2010, 02:06:59 pm
there be a typo, bella-san :\
Title: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Krizonar on December 19, 2010, 02:36:16 pm
Quote from: "Aurora Borealis"Okay! To help you out, I'll work on the Annex Project bios for them.

Your information on your Mac-tan family tree is up to date, btw. :)

Oh, really? I knew you guys gave me updates and help but I didn't know that was everything!
I'll take the bios from the Family Tree and add more flavor and personality to them.
Title: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Aurora Borealis on December 19, 2010, 02:42:53 pm
What you got is up to date, but I still have a few more things to add in the Annex bios relating to their backstories.
Title: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Bella on December 19, 2010, 04:13:56 pm
Rewriting Multics bio = UGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHARD.

http://ostan-collections.net/wiki/Multics
Title: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Aurora Borealis on December 19, 2010, 04:40:02 pm
Wow. That's a really ambitious one! I wouldn't have known where to start there!

I'm working on the updated template box, and for Multics infobox pic, which of your pics do you want to use?
Title: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Chocofreak13 on December 19, 2010, 10:56:28 pm
*applause* go bella!

but did you fix the typo? :\
Title: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Bella on December 19, 2010, 11:21:52 pm
@Aurora: I'm comfortable with keeping the avatar we have now.

@Choco: gonna have to be more direct with me about this typo. WHAT IS IT?

...UUUUUUUUUUUUNIXXXXXXXXXXX
http://ostan-collections.net/wiki/UNIX
Title: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Aurora Borealis on December 19, 2010, 11:45:33 pm
Awesome! Her backstory section is the best, you did a great job describing the transition from UNIX's humble youth into monstrous industralist to Jerk With A Heart Of Gold to going back to her original roots!
Title: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Chocofreak13 on December 20, 2010, 01:00:52 am
@bella: in the description box, the latest stable release is "unknownk"

an-nd~
*moar applause*
Title: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Bella on December 20, 2010, 09:46:14 pm
Thanks Aurora, I sort of hate seeing Unix-sama characterized as a heartless monster so this is my way of doing a public service announcement. >>;;;

And I'll fix that typo Kari. -v-

...

VMS FTW

http://ostan-collections.net/wiki/VMS

Also working on Linux's entry, URRRRRRGH.
Title: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Chocofreak13 on December 20, 2010, 10:24:59 pm
*BROFIST FOR EFFORT*
Title: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Aurora Borealis on December 20, 2010, 11:02:15 pm
Seconded! Great job, Bella!

Here's an experimental infobox: (http://ostan-collections.net/wiki/Template:OStaninfo)
Title: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Bella on December 21, 2010, 12:17:58 pm
Looks great Aurora! I like it! But why don't the avatars show up anymore? (I noticed this on most of the wiki articles...) :\

LINUX. Needs new infobox, avatar, I think we can all agree that Kami-Tux doesn't represent the character anymore. >>

http://ostan-collections.net/wiki/Linux
Title: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Aurora Borealis on December 21, 2010, 01:16:09 pm
I took down most of them. Some of the older avatars I made look awful, and I think even with the better ones, being limited to the 100x100 pix doesn't do the articles any justice, but those avis will still be used in the Annex Project.

Another excellent article! I think that with characters like her, who have had changes in appearance relating changes to her character in-story, we should add in pictures showing these different depictions.


Something I wondered about is the location of the OS-tan world, I've never thought of it taking place in the 'real world', but rather cyberspace, to explain things like how several of the LUC members live together though they're mainly from opposite sides of the US, etc. Maybe this could be another conjecture article, like with the OS-tan species thing?

Relating to this, I'd imagine Linux-tan as being born in an isolated, rural area going with that hypothesis.
Title: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Bella on December 21, 2010, 01:32:43 pm
Ah, I see. Speaking of a small image not doing the character justice, have you considered doing a section on each of the pages for links to artwork/stories/comics depicting the -tan in particular? That way people would be able to get a better idea of their appearances and personality. (I'd put it at the bottom, as per Wikipedia's link section).

Again, under the system I proposed -- you could have links showing examples of each of Linux-tan's designs.

I always imagined the OS-tan universe taking place in the "real world", albeit a very technologically advanced (bordering on magical) one. The LUC, for example, I imagine would have headquarters on the east and west coasts of the US, with other holdings all around the world -- while the Macs would, naturally, live in Cupertino, the Windows-tans in Redmond, etc -- the thing that sets Linux-tan, for example, so far apart is that she doesn't really have a hometown. By this reasoning she was born in Helsinki, but doesn't have a corporate HQ that she's attached to.

Sounds like a good topic for a Theory article though -- do you suppose we should sort the different theories by their "creators" or just have each one in its own section? IE, have one section call the Cyperspace Theory of OS-tans, another the Real World Geography Theory, etc...
Title: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Aurora Borealis on December 21, 2010, 01:43:30 pm
The real world theory especially confuses me because of the Binteeji Renmei, which has OS-tans from all over the US and UK, where would their faction be located? I had imagined there'd be a Windows Empire, Mac Kingdom, The Binteeji Renmei located somewhere presumably in a neutral territory, the Unix Nation (not sure if they'd be an empire anymore), etc.

Whether or not these theories should be separate articles depends on how long they end up being.

Edit: Yeah! That's what I had in mind for including multiple pictures! Like with Linux-tan, it will be easy to find good pictures for her, labeling one of her in a simple dress as her youngest self, those wearing the uniform that Juzo-Kun designed would be her in the late 90's-early 00's, and that awesome vector-drawn pic you made of Linux and Unix shows her present-day self.
Title: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Chocofreak13 on December 22, 2010, 11:10:00 am
discussing the theory makes me want to make a seperate topic for this, since we could debate this for weeks.

in my os-tan comiket, the world isn't really discussed (of course i only have 1 issue for right now) but maybe a sort of parallel-japan? all i know is that the main house was on a large compound (large house w/ yard). the macs lived nearby (walking distance) and i imagined the NT branch of the windows house wasn't too far either (Inu-t was at the main house, but i imagined she'd live with NT-tan.)
there was also a market nearby.
Title: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Bella on December 22, 2010, 08:57:54 pm
@Aurora: batshit as it sounds, I always considered the BR to sort of.... transcend the bounds of the physical world. (Which may or may not go in hand with my theory that the BR is an OS-tan stand-in for an afterlife, not to mention the BR's semi-inspiration Haibane Renmei). Either that or it's in California, which may contain the largest collection(s) of vintage computers on the planet. -w-
Title: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Bella on December 23, 2010, 12:46:41 am
PDP-1 http://ostan-collections.net/wiki/PDP-1

ITS http://ostan-collections.net/wiki/ITS
Title: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Chocofreak13 on December 23, 2010, 12:59:04 am
for a second there, i thought you were saying "its" as in "it is", like you were saying PDP's link was the second one. i think that's my cue to hit the sack. xD
Title: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Aurora Borealis on December 29, 2010, 05:59:04 pm
For the rewritten articles Bella made, I'll help with gathering images to be used.

Linux:
An image of her associated with the 'canon' design. Repurposed to be her younger self. (http://ostan-collections.net/imeeji/displayimage.php?pos=-5276)
From Bella's Linux-tan comic, this page I think has a really nice shot of young!Linux-tan, and ITS too! (http://BellaCielo.deviantart.com/art/Linux-tan-comic-page-26-104727666)
C-quel's depictions of circa1999!Linux-tan and present-day Linux-tan (http://C-quel.deviantart.com/art/Chibi-Linux-1999-2009-112283608)
Present-day!Linux-tan with Unix (http://BellaCielo.deviantart.com/art/Unix-and-Linux-tan-FINAL-149087774)

CTSS:
CTSS with ITS (http://ostan-collections.net/imeeji/displayimage.php?pos=-7259)
CTSS with SAGE and DTSS (http://BellaCielo.deviantart.com/art/Two-Sisters-and-a-Tagalong-162626175)

VMS:
present!VMS in CIOST submarine (http://ostan-collections.net/imeeji/displayimage.php?pos=-7045)
VMS in DEC-era uniform (http://ostan-collections.net/imeeji/displayimage.php?pos=-6888)

Multics:
young!Multics with Whirlwind (http://BellaCielo.deviantart.com/art/Matriarch-Prodigal-Daughter-162627479)
Multics in her prime, fancy but melancholy (http://ostan-collections.net/imeeji/displayimage.php?pos=-7231)
---Any pictures of reborn!Multics?---
Title: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Bella on December 29, 2010, 09:43:39 pm
Somebody ordered Reborn Multics? (http://bellacielo.deviantart.com/gallery/?offset=240#/d2cklr7)
And 1970-72 Multics (http://ostan-collections.net/imeeji/displayimage.php?album=191&pos=20)
Title: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Aurora Borealis on December 29, 2010, 09:53:52 pm
Thanks! :)...  How could I have overlooked those? :(

I'm still looking for and cropping images to be used in the new infobox.
Title: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Chocofreak13 on December 29, 2010, 11:44:48 pm
this is going so nicely. :3

btw, what happened to krizo? :[

and my theory thread died. ;___;
Title: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Aurora Borealis on December 30, 2010, 12:05:15 am
I don't know. He's at least still lurking here. I want to jump-start the theory thread again too.

Here's GENIAC-chan! (http://ostan-collections.net/wiki/GENIAC)

Got her backstory updated and tried out the new infobox template. Unfortunately there seems to be a glitch. On the second row of boxes, the actual information won't show up, just the placeholder text even though I replaced it. :(

EDIT: Got the mistakes in the template fixed. :)
Title: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Chocofreak13 on December 30, 2010, 12:10:47 am
i <3 GENIAC-chan <3333
Title: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Aurora Borealis on December 30, 2010, 12:45:39 am
Thanks!

Here's EXEC's article (http://ostan-collections.net/wiki/EXEC), a work in progress.
Title: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Chocofreak13 on December 30, 2010, 12:22:22 pm
yaaaaay! <3 i love that! i never knew about the relationship between those two, it's so sweet. <3
Title: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Aurora Borealis on January 02, 2011, 12:08:07 am
Updated EXEC's article to include her history, and I got a pic in the infobox! Problem is, I can't get images to center. T_T

Does 300x300 work, or do you think it's a bit much?
Title: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Bella on January 02, 2011, 12:29:47 pm
I think it's a bit much; in all honesty, I'd rather go small on the pictures again (or perhaps try a taller-but-narrower image format) and provide full-sized examples in the links. :\

I really liked GENIAC's article, and EXEC-sama's was interesting too. Mostly 'cause I didn't know much about her before. For instance, I had no idea that she represented hardware and software, and didn't know that OS 2200 was supposed to be a separate -tan either. Forced retirement sounds about right though; I believe I once heard Univac had a notorious scorched-earth policy when it came to destroying their older model mainframes (to keep them from "competing" with the newer ones).

It has been proposed that Unix-sama would look up to her as a sort of surrogate grandmother figure, which I find interesting; and at least one of her old sorta-colleagues is still around, Fastrand-kun.
Title: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Aurora Borealis on January 02, 2011, 01:01:25 pm
Okay. I'll try 200x200 next.

I didn't exactly know about UNIVAC's policies towards their old hardware, but let's just say that because of her past importance, her staff was merciful, or tried to be.

The isolation she suffered in retirement could be considered an unintentional fate worse than death. If she had found out that some of her hardware-based colleagues had been killed on purpose because of obsolescence, I don't know how she would react, but some combination of horror would be involved. :(

I think it had been mentioned in another thread that there was to be OS 2200 as a separate character, but there were no details on her then. It may have also been OS 2200 who was ordered to carry out EXEC's forced retirement.

When the gallery feature gets implemented, I'll include full-sized pictures there.

When on that wikiwalk looking for info on the UNIVAC series, I noticed that FASTRAND was mentioned and I thought "That name sounds familiar, where have I seen that before?".

Unix never did have a grandmother figure, did she?
Title: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Bella on January 02, 2011, 11:22:03 pm
Or even something like 150x400... to give a rough estimate.

I once considered making an OS 2200-tan, but the wikipedia wall o'text scared me away. <<

And now you know where you've seen it before~

Unix never did have a grandmother figure, or mother figure for that matter. Although one could argue that she and CTSS may've met, that's pure conjecture (but an interesting one at that). -v-
Title: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Chocofreak13 on January 02, 2011, 11:23:51 pm
you beat me to it.
i was going to suggest 200x200, being that i'd like larger than 100x100 but 300x300 is a bit too big. i also second the linking to fullsize pics.

if UNIVAC learned about the vintage-tan genocide, she'd probably break down, and go one of two ways:
1. catatonia
2. kill bill.
:\

does FASTRAND have a -kun yet? :\ (a picture, i mean)

be brave, bella! conquer that wall of text! >:3
Title: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Bella on January 03, 2011, 12:37:17 am
One would think, but these ARE vintage-tans -- accustomed to a life where survival was never certain and death often came from the ones closest (ie: parent companies). Not to mention being conditioned to think that humans are the arbiters of life and death.

Fastrand-kun has been drawn before as a sort of pre-concept doodle-thingy:

(http://fc05.deviantart.net/fs70/i/2010/239/9/1/random_doodledump_by_bellacielo-d2xfh96.jpg)
(Right of EXEC-sama on the top row; left of upside-down H6180-kun on the bottom row)

He's heavyset and really tall, extremely conspicuous in his gestures/mannerisms and very commanding -- referencing the fact that the FASTRAND memory unit was one of the largest, heaviest and possibly loudest ever made. Contrary to popular, er, my belief, he's not one of SAGE-sama's posse but one of.... some Univac-tan's whose name partially eludes me (U1050-tan IIRC), and SAGE's ex-bf-thingy. May have a superfly side!

I don't do walls o'text anymore, sorry. >>
Title: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Aurora Borealis on January 03, 2011, 12:40:56 am
So then, for her safety, EXEC doesn't know that some of her old comrades had been killed off, but OS 2200 does.

Still not many physical details for an OS 2200-tan, but she might be EXEC-sama's daughter, and look similar to her, but dresses practically (although old-fashioned still), is athletic, obviously has shorter hair, is up-to-date with current events (a still current OS after all these decades), and lives a life of regrets. She didn't want to force EXEC to retire since the two had gotten along so well by then. An Atoner personality-wise, might be affiliated with the CIOST, having given up her position in the Mainframe Guild (who prohibit interacting with outsiders) in order to visit with EXEC in the Binteeji Renmei.

If Unix and CTSS had met, apparently they didn't know each other for very long or see each other very much, not enough to see CTSS as a grandmother figure. And didn't CTSS know that it was Unix who maimed Multics in a particularly brutal fight?

FASTRAND-kun is a cool guy! Large Ham types FTW! :D
Title: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Chocofreak13 on January 03, 2011, 12:48:21 am
he looks so....plain. of course, looks are deceiving. >:3

CONQUER YOUR WALL OF TEXT FEAR~~

that's interesting about 2200-san, to think that something that old (how old is she again?) is STILL ALIIIIIVVVVEEE~~ ^^

it's really quite inspirational. <3
Title: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Bella on January 03, 2011, 01:43:35 am
@Aurora: Your concepts for OS 2200 sound good, I'll buy it. :3

CTSS and Unix could've met while Unix worked in Boston in the 1972-73 time period. At this point CTSS would've known her own death was coming -- although burdened with the knowledge of what Unix did to Multics, I imagine she would have treated the girl with kindness, understanding and forgiveness. Much to the surprise of Unix, of course... =v=

Heh, I've never seen him as a Large Ham before... though I don't know much about his personality, to be honest. ;;

@Kari: Plain? But he's easily the tallest -kun (though H6180 might have that on him) and one of the only big beautiful men-or-women in all of OS-tandom (the others being XPMCE-tan and Master Control Program-tan, I suppose). :V

Speaking of Master Control Program, it seems amazing that OS 2200 has been in use since 1967 but MCP IS a lot older - and still in use - being first created by Burroughs in 1961. Amazingly, it's still one of the more advanced mainframe OSes in existence despite pushing 50 years old.
Title: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: stewartsage on January 03, 2011, 03:23:29 am
FASTRAND is an enigma... yes.

Because MCP is so bare bones; she can be modified quickly.
Title: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Bella on January 03, 2011, 03:06:02 pm
Quote from: "stewartsage"FASTRAND is an enigma... yes.

Because MCP is so bare bones; she can be modified quickly.


Yeah, what's the deal with that Stew?

*gets out information-gathering poking-stick*

*pokes*

I wouldn't mind knowing more about his boss-lady too (was I right, U1050-tan?) now that I have this out. Was she the one who snapped and ended up being killed?

*continues poking*

MCP is bare bones? I thought it was just really advanced for its time. D:
Title: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Chocofreak13 on January 03, 2011, 10:34:53 pm
either way, just the fact that MCP is http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K3Xar3roRlY is just amazing. :3

well, i didn't know that about FASTRAND. that's interesting. :3 i just meant that his hair and facial appearance is plain, especially compared to the other vin-tans with their fancy costumes and whatnot. :3 he seems nice though. :3
Title: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: stewartsage on January 03, 2011, 11:22:12 pm
For the third time; no, that's a different UNIVAC entirely.

She's still not terribly complex; just useful.
Title: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Chocofreak13 on January 03, 2011, 11:33:41 pm
obviously, or she wouldn't still be here. xD
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Aurora Borealis on January 05, 2011, 08:11:12 pm
Got started on the article about the setting of the OS-tanverse (http://ostan-collections.net/wiki/Setting), which starts off simple enough... but when getting to the fanon section, I'll need help with the sub-sections about the different approaches:

1. cyberspace
2. fantasy counterpart culture
3. Real world-based alternate universe (which can either have cyberpunk elements or not)
    -the most fanon theory in some form
    -varies in complexity
   -technobabble explanations for how the characters can congregate, with the open vs. closed space theory
4. Other (i.e: OS-tans on a user's computer, a mini-universe of its own)

Plus the conclusion that although some of these fanon ideas are more popular than others, none are really set in stone, and a more/less complex setting can be used depending on the story and how important the setting's details are.
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Aurora Borealis on January 06, 2011, 02:14:00 pm
Started getting rid of some red links, and planted in some stub articles, starting with the most ancient of the OSes!

GMOS (http://ostan-collections.net/wiki/GMOS)
BESYS (http://ostan-collections.net/wiki/BESYS)
IBSYS (http://ostan-collections.net/wiki/IBSYS)
UMES (http://ostan-collections.net/wiki/UMES)

Actually, I refined them more than I originally intended at first, but these could still use some expanding on. I'd especially like to know about:

1. What years these characters died, if they can be found.
2. Did UMES' replacement with MTS quickly lead to her death, and if so, did she at least get to in her last days meet MTS? If so, I'd imagine it'd be very bittersweet, as UMES had a legacy (her influence living on through MTS) but came at the expense of her life.
3. Did BESYS live to see Multics?
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Chocofreak13 on January 06, 2011, 02:21:48 pm
if you need any help with the ostaniverse, i'll be happy to provide input. :3
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Bella on January 06, 2011, 02:48:48 pm
The wiki's giving me 404 errors. :< :< :<
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Aurora Borealis on January 06, 2011, 02:56:36 pm
Dammit! What happened to the wiki?! It was working just a while ago!
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Pitkin on January 06, 2011, 02:59:35 pm
Don't panic! Fedora-Tan's working on wiki currently, so it's possible you experience trouble. Things that are not linked to from the forum yet are more or less "under renovation".
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Aurora Borealis on January 06, 2011, 03:12:01 pm
Oh, okay. Thanks for the update.
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Pitkin on January 06, 2011, 03:27:36 pm
Wiki should work now again, and there's link to it on the front page. :) On related note, Aurora, would you like to give me a description to put under the wiki link? Since you're definitely working more on it than I am, I think it would be only fair that you could decide how it's described on the front page of the site. ._.
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Chocofreak13 on January 06, 2011, 06:36:09 pm
:3 how nice that everything's getting an upgrade. <3
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Bella on January 07, 2011, 12:48:58 pm
My to-do list:
- Work on the "species" section of the Theories article
- Add an "OSC Literature" article (since we already have a Comic one)
- ???
- Don't profit
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Aurora Borealis on January 07, 2011, 01:07:14 pm
Good idea with the literature section! I think it's important to keep track of those too!

I'm mainly working on planting more stubs to be expanded later, starting with the mainframes because on the wiki, they've just been so overlooked!
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Chocofreak13 on January 07, 2011, 06:38:29 pm
i should start contributing.

hey bells, feel free to work on the species section, but shouldn't that be left till we've fleshed it out more? we dropped off of it pretty suddenly in the old thread. :\
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Aurora Borealis on January 10, 2011, 01:41:00 pm
Been planting more stubs, created articles for OS/360, NOS and TSOS.

Btw, what should we do with the Windows 7 article (http://ostan-collections.net/wiki/Windows_7) since I think it needs updating. It only says that Nanami is the 'official' Windows 7-tan, but wasn't that recently debunked? Also can't forget the many 7-tan designs out there! If it gets rewritten, she will still get a section of her own in the article since she was so influential, and polarizing!
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Chocofreak13 on January 10, 2011, 02:12:09 pm
i'll try to update it. :3
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Aurora Borealis on January 10, 2011, 02:20:12 pm
That good. I could really use some help with that one. Should we include the most notable 7-tan designs, akin to what was done in the Vista article (http://ostan-collections.net/wiki/Vistan)?

Just got two more stub articles up:

*Apple Newton (http://ostan-collections.net/wiki/Newton_OS)

*Sinclair QL (http://ostan-collections.net/wiki/SinclairQL)
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Chocofreak13 on January 10, 2011, 02:51:31 pm
i'm going to do that, but i'm actually going to include pictures of the 7-tans (there aren't as many as vista to my knowledge).

i might also update the vista article to include pictures.

also, does the wiki follow the same format as wikipedia? (i have the cheatsheet and i wanted to know if it was of any use. :\ )

EDIT: i can't edit the wiki ;___; i guess i don't have permission yet...
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Krizonar on January 10, 2011, 03:05:36 pm
Quote from: Aurora Borealis on January 10, 2011, 02:20:12 pm
*Apple Newton (http://ostan-collections.net/wiki/Newton_OS)

I'd like to point out that the Newton wasn't necessarily bad at handwriting (Inkwell is the refined version of the Newton's handwriting software) it's that Apple set the bar very very high (like recognizing 95% of all handwriting on the first sentence) and ,of course, didn't meet it; since the technology simply wasn't around. That made people's opinion of it go down since it wasn't as good as Apple promised, even though it was still rather advanced for the time.

Perhaps she could claim to be an expert writer but be only average at it :) that would not be a big change and could give her and some of the desktop Publishing Macs some family ties and open her up for some rivalries and character development.

Not wanting to intrude, just a suggestion  ;D
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Aurora Borealis on January 10, 2011, 03:07:23 pm
@Choco:Yes, this wiki uses the same markup and codes as Wikipedia.

I've had to go to the help pages on Wikipedia to get help on formatting links and images, because the help pages on our wiki are too messed up.

@Krizo: Oops. I didn't know that! I'll revise that in her article!
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Krizonar on January 10, 2011, 03:13:28 pm
I spent a lot of time constructing my message, because I didn't want to sound mean or commanding. Hopefully I didn't :)


W00T, I CONTRIBUTED!
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Chocofreak13 on January 10, 2011, 03:21:18 pm
good idea, krizo. :3 i'd make her arrogant about her penmanship, but never be able to live up to her claims. it could serve as a personal foil and a secret shame, which would deepen the character. :3 (that's just me though ^^; )

@aurora: any way to get me into editing the wiki? :\
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Aurora Borealis on January 10, 2011, 03:27:39 pm
Go to this thread (http://ostan-collections.net/forum/index.php/topic,1410.0.html) and ask for Wiki Editor status.
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Krizonar on January 10, 2011, 03:30:43 pm
Quote from: Chocofreak13 on January 10, 2011, 03:21:18 pm
good idea, krizo. :3 i'd make her arrogant about her penmanship, but never be able to live up to her claims. it could serve as a personal foil and a secret shame, which would deepen the character. :3 (that's just me though ^^; )

I could definitely see that, she spent 6 years in training of the fine art of handwriting (...lol?), she is totally the best! mwhahaa!
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Chocofreak13 on January 10, 2011, 04:03:38 pm
or so she thinks. :3
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Chocofreak13 on January 13, 2011, 12:13:10 pm
i forget if it was this one or the annex project thread that i said i'd make the bio for freeDOS. but when i was poking around freeDOS's wikipedia page i found this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/4DOS

should she be counted as a -tan or not? :\
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Aurora Borealis on January 13, 2011, 12:52:59 pm
If you have ideas for her design and personality, I think that could work.

At first when I read the article, I wasn't sure since 4DOS isn't an OS, just a component/command shell of DOS... But then again, couldn't something similar be said for the early Windows releases which were just a GUI over DOS? There was also a concept of BASH-tan somewhere too, so, why not?

4DOS-tan would affiliate with the DOSes, and did so for years, but lives as a wanderer now since her company doesn't allow 4DOS to be used or compiled with the other DOSes except for FreeDOS, meaning 4DOS's company presumablu imposed a restraining order on her that forbids her from affiliating with the DOSSE (or something), but FreeDOS-tan still visits with her. 4DOS-tan would also have ambivalent viewpoints because while 4DOS's source code is free and available, there are restrictions that disqualify it from being truly F/OSS.



Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Bella on January 13, 2011, 12:53:47 pm
Any piece of software can be counted as a -tan, but in this case I'd say if you don't plan on making a 4dos-tan, don't include it. It's just a CLI shell anyway - like BASH - another software that was supposed to have a -tan since years ago, but who's only been cameoed in the briefest of ways. (See: girl going "d'awww" in this image: http://bellacielo.deviantart.com/gallery/?offset=120#/d2jpbiq )
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Aurora Borealis on January 13, 2011, 12:57:04 pm
So BASH-tan has appeared before. Still, she isn't anything more than a one-shot character as of yet, and we're trying to minimize the number of one-shot characters.

@Choco: If you're going to draw her, do so if you're confident you can make her into more than just a one-off.
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Bella on January 13, 2011, 01:03:04 pm
There is plenty of background and character info in the case of BASH-tan though: if you consider her earlier incarnation to the the Bourne Shell (which I do) that makes her one of Unix-sama's oldest and closest assistants. She's bafflinglly difficult to follow, terse and to-the-point, yet very helpful toward Unix-and-*nix likes of all kind. Carries some sort of hammer (IIRC) and has a hermit-like personality. (Preferring to "hide behind" GUIs nowadays)
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Aurora Borealis on January 27, 2011, 12:00:34 am
I've been uploading some pics for the infoboxes for some OS-tans, and got started on two new articles. See the Recent Changes section! :)
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Chocofreak13 on January 27, 2011, 12:51:04 pm
^^

as for 4DOS, until i can come up with a story involving multiple DOSes, idk if that will happen. ;__;

i'd like to though, so expect her sometime in the future. :3
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: stewartsage on January 27, 2011, 04:02:14 pm
Is the profile for one of the DOS a DOSsier?
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: NejinOniwa on January 27, 2011, 04:10:29 pm
I c wut u did thar...
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Chocofreak13 on January 27, 2011, 07:20:04 pm
i don't! ^^
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Aurora Borealis on February 02, 2011, 12:44:05 am
Updated ME-tan's infobox to the current one: [link] (http://ostan-collections.net/wiki/Me-tan), but haven't overhauled the writing. I'm sure a lot more could be said about the OS-tan who started it all! ^^;

Quickly created a new template for incomplete articles: [link] (http://ostan-collections.net/wiki/Template:WIP) and moved the Binteeji Renmei Annex Bios up so far from my userpage to a separate section.
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Chocofreak13 on February 02, 2011, 01:10:36 am
nice. :3 can't wait to see it in action. ^^
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Aurora Borealis on February 02, 2011, 01:12:56 am
I'll need help rewriting some of the Windows-tan articles, but thanks!

The new template has found a few places already:
http://ostan-collections.net/wiki/House_Of_Mac_Annex_Bios (http://ostan-collections.net/wiki/House_Of_Mac_Annex_Bios)
http://ostan-collections.net/wiki/Binteeji_Renmei_Annex_Bios (http://ostan-collections.net/wiki/Binteeji_Renmei_Annex_Bios)
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Chocofreak13 on February 02, 2011, 11:56:49 am
i never realized the binteeji renmei was so BIG. *___*

they look great, btw. ^^

hmm, wasn't i supposed to make a 7-tan article....?
after homework. :3
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Aurora Borealis on February 02, 2011, 12:39:35 pm
Same here! I didn't realize how big the Binteeji Renmei got until I typed up the whole list... and even then that doesn't include the DOS-tans (listed as the DOSSE faction, but are a subset of the BR), which brings the roster to around 40. And don't forget the early Classic-tans who are semi-retired!

Funny how big the BR has gotten, it was supposed to be the LUC that was the largest faction, either that or the Wanderer Class though they're not really a faction. ^^;
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Aurora Borealis on February 02, 2011, 02:19:51 pm
Two more articles need writing: Separate articles for 98-tan and 98SE-tan.

This is their article (http://ostan-collections.net/wiki/98-tan_and_98SE-tan)

In the list of Windows-tans (http://ostan-collections.net/wiki/Windows-tans), I have the two split up, but need writing. I also included a separate article for Nanami from the Windows 7 article.

And for the Linces and Unices, moved the LUC Annex Bios to a new section from my userpage:
[link] (http://ostan-collections.net/wiki/LUC_Annex_Bios)
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Chocofreak13 on February 02, 2011, 04:25:14 pm
why did you separate nanami? if i wrote the article, i was going to include all of them but likely have a subsection for ms. madobe. :\
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Aurora Borealis on February 02, 2011, 04:39:08 pm
Just in case the main Windows 7-tan article gets really large, I guess?

Well, if you want to include a section for her in the main article, go ahead, I'll delete the separate link to the Nanami article.
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Chocofreak13 on February 02, 2011, 04:47:36 pm
thanks, i don't think it'll get too big :\
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Aurora Borealis on February 03, 2011, 08:32:42 pm
Okay. :)

Who's still up for this overhaul project? The biggest part is expanding on characters' articles, or even writing about the different theories of the OS-tanverse.

I created another template, look on my userpage. Any ideas what other templates should be made?
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Bella on February 04, 2011, 12:03:51 am
Usually I'm giddy to write articles, but most of my writing energies are currently being channeled in story directions .w.

The clean-up template? Looks good to me, but I haven't any ideas for others....
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Aurora Borealis on February 04, 2011, 12:12:32 am
Oh, okay. I appreciate the rewrites you've made so far, and hope when you're up for it again, you'll make some more! In the mean time, your stories are great! I wish I could write some OS-tan stories, and I do have a lot of ideas for them but am so busy working on my original series which is hard enough for me. x_x
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Chocofreak13 on February 04, 2011, 12:32:17 am
you can do it. ^^
i'm so tired right now i don't even wanna think about re-writing articles. if i can find some spare time this weekend i'll write one for you.
so far i like the templates, so maybe we should focus on updating what needs it. :\
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Aurora Borealis on February 04, 2011, 09:58:06 pm
Okay. I'll be looking forward to it!

I'm not in much of a rewriting mood at the moment either, I've mainly been porting more Annex bios onto the wiki, and been doing some formatting to make the bio pages look better:

*Annex Project page, w/links to bio sections (http://ostan-collections.net/wiki/OS-tan_Annex_Project)

I could use some help porting more of the bios over, it's as simple as copying, pasting and a bit of formatting provided on my userpage:

Quote
===OS-tan name===
[[File: ]]
*'''Name:'''
*'''aka:'''
*'''Debut:'''
*'''Height:'''
*'''Weight:'''
*'''Eye Color:'''
*'''Hair:'''

*'''Quick Facts:'''

**-fact 1
**-fact 2
**-fact 3

[[OS-tan article name | see full wiki bio]]


Most of the bios made were made before the forum migration and its imposed character limit, therefore are still found in the original Annex thread. (http://ostan-collections.net/forum/index.php/topic,231.0.html)

Some however are scattered about in the recent pages of the revival thread (http://ostan-collections.net/forum/index.php/topic,1187.0.html).
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Bella on February 04, 2011, 10:11:51 pm
Looks good~

A but OT, but a LOT of the bios I wrote had weights missing; do try to keep the weights that I suggested Aurora-sama, I did do my research and check them against height/age charts. -w-
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Aurora Borealis on February 04, 2011, 10:15:37 pm
Sorry. Those can be put back in. ^^;
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Aurora Borealis on February 05, 2011, 09:49:02 pm
I put them back in, and in the bios I added, I included them.

Got started on the bios section for Deceased OS-tans (http://ostan-collections.net/wiki/Deceased_OS-tan_Annex_Bios).

That is going to be a looooong section! @_@
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Chocofreak13 on February 05, 2011, 11:49:54 pm
indeed. *___*

i'm sad to report that bio might be delayed a bit more.... ;__;
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Bella on February 06, 2011, 12:15:25 am
Thank you very much Aurora-sama. ^^
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Aurora Borealis on February 06, 2011, 12:21:32 am
You're welcome! :)
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Chocofreak13 on February 06, 2011, 01:13:27 am
keep up the good work, yon crusader. ;v;
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: NejinOniwa on February 08, 2011, 10:51:53 am
I figured I should take some time for this too, but it seems my permissions are a'missing...
Pitkin dear, would you mind fixing that?
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Pitkin on February 08, 2011, 05:41:57 pm
Nejin sweetie, I hope it works now.
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Aurora Borealis on February 08, 2011, 09:00:56 pm
Awesome! Nejin's an editor too! I'll look forward to your first contributions on the wiki!

What section do you have in mind working on first?
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: NejinOniwa on February 08, 2011, 11:40:23 pm
well, something simple enough, like the Literature section. It's relevant to my interests, after all -w-

After that, we'll see.
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Bella on February 09, 2011, 03:26:12 pm
Will we be seeing articles on Ruka-tan, WITCH-tan and your other characters, Nejin?
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: NejinOniwa on February 09, 2011, 04:22:32 pm
Most likely, as soon as I manage to get them done.
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: NejinOniwa on February 09, 2011, 07:04:25 pm
http://ostan-collections.net/wiki/Mertvaya_Ruka
Fix'd Ruka's article. Still needs an avi, but I'll try to whip up one. Some of the link pages need updates reflecting this.

Next up are WITCH, Colossus and Git. Updated the main (Show All) page to include links to their future articles.
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Aurora Borealis on February 09, 2011, 07:13:53 pm
Awesome work, Nej! I'll make an avatar for Ruka-san!

As for what I'm doing, still porting the Annex Bios over, and will resume making new ones once all of them currently-made are up on the wiki.

Btw, do you have any ideas what powers and abilities other OS-tans or OS-tan families would have? That section on her powers got me curious about that.
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: NejinOniwa on February 09, 2011, 08:04:59 pm
Well, most -tans with specific powers and abilities are well-known - 95-tan is an extremely skilled swordsman, so that ability should be put in, as should others with special powers (like Colossus' size-shifting) or signature spells (like the Mac-tans' Finder spell). Otherwise you can simply use the Sorcery tabs - Linux-tan, for example, uses Open Sorcery, and has high rating on both power and complexity, while the Mac-tans use both Open and Closed sorcery and have varying power levels.

Also fixed the power sheet so it doesn't look silly.
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Aurora Borealis on February 09, 2011, 09:30:53 pm
I see. :)

However, I don't know what abilities some OS-tans have, such as Windows 3.1 and MS-DOS, who don't seem to have any kind of powers.

EDIT: So I was in something of a mood for writing today! Tweaked the history section of the Linux/Unix Consortium (http://ostan-collections.net/wiki/Linux_Unix_Consortium#History), and created the history section for the DOSSE (http://ostan-collections.net/wiki/DOSSE)!
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Chocofreak13 on February 10, 2011, 12:00:37 am
DOS has a shapeshifting ability, being able to go from cat to catgirl in 0.3 seconds. :3
the 98 boxes turn into fully-functioning robots, giant robots, dimensional gates, homes, toys, and rocket launchers/guns.
if i remember right, ME has the ability to summon a giant jellyroll; with the support of more win-tans she can summon a larger one.
2k is also an accomplished sword fighter, and can summon USB cables when angry. :3
Visbou-tan is an accomplished ninja, most noteably for the "Big-Breasted Loli Jutsu".
There's a chance Nanami's a technomancer...

oh, and idk if "futa mode" counts as a power....
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Aurora Borealis on February 12, 2011, 01:13:44 am
Those are good ones! Would XP-tan's super-appetite count as an ability too? If not, she's still depicted as being a sword fighter like 2k-tan. For some reason, I envision 3.1-tan as being something of a magical girl-type, with DOS kitty as her cute animal sidekick!

The DOS-based Windows-tans can draw from the vast code pool of DOS, and the NT-based Windows have the power of their DEC lineage, although they don't know it yet.

Got started on making an infobox for the Annex Project factions: example on my page (http://ostan-collections.net/wiki/User:Aurora_Borealis#Example_of_faction_infobox), the template itself and description here (http://ostan-collections.net/wiki/Template:Factioninfobox).
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Aurora Borealis on February 12, 2011, 06:03:54 pm
Two new avatars, both of Soviet systems!

*BESM (http://ostan-collections.net/wiki/File:BESMavi.png)
*Mertvaya Ruka (http://ostan-collections.net/wiki/File:Mertvayaavi.png)

EDIT: Added the history, and other notes sections to the Mainframe Guild article (http://ostan-collections.net/wiki/Mainframe_Guild).
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Chocofreak13 on February 12, 2011, 11:49:25 pm
*applauds*

3.1's not perky enough to be a magical girl. She'd be more of a badass priestess, or, with the dress, whatever patchouli is in Touhou.
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: NejinOniwa on February 13, 2011, 12:40:26 pm
Patchouli is a witch...
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Chocofreak13 on February 13, 2011, 04:10:29 pm
which works for 3.1. -w-
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Aurora Borealis on February 17, 2011, 09:32:08 pm
I merged the Manga and Literature Guide sections on the front page to create this: [link] (http://ostan-collections.net/wiki/OSC_Literature_and_Manga_Guide).

Anyone writing OS-tan literature or comics, I'll need your help for this!
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Chocofreak13 on February 18, 2011, 12:32:49 am
i currently have the OS-tan Comiket (i'm actually calling it that, i was gonna have that be a stand-in till i came up with a name, but it's been 2 years and i got nothin'. :\ )

the process is slow, though. i only have 1 chapter so far (but i have groundwork for a second, and ideas for more).

i also have the 1-shot crossfic "Poke Her", but it's kinda.....porny. :\
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Aurora Borealis on February 19, 2011, 10:21:27 pm
Once you get more of your comic done and posted (to avoid spoilers), I'd really like to see an article for it!

To get started, all writers, what are the titles of your OS-tan stories? I'll start with a list before making a template for each article.
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Chocofreak13 on February 19, 2011, 10:25:53 pm
so far, i have the OS-tan Comiket, Poke Her (H crossfic), and a 4-koma series being planned (might title it "Nanami's Boarding House").
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Aurora Borealis on February 19, 2011, 10:47:43 pm
So you have three of them? Cool!

Can you give brief synopses for each of them?

I wish Ihad more time to work on that Leopard-tan/Mac Family comic. I still want to finish that one (while maintaining my original character series as well), but might have to make some cutbacks to speed up production. x_x
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Chocofreak13 on February 19, 2011, 10:58:25 pm
technically, there was that viru blues one, so 4. ^^;

viru blues was supposed to be about a virus-tan (and her two friends) taking revenge on the os-tan, who she believed killed her sister. it's later revealed that they were not to blame, but that she was betrayed by someone close to her.

the os-tan comiket was about fostering friendship between the macs and the windows, and overcoming challenges with old rivalries and inner family struggle.

poke her has no plot other than being a 1-shot porno crossover between os-tan and another comic of mine, ace's high.

nanami's boarding house was going to be a bunch of 4-komas about nanami and the other programs on my computer (some of the programs would be ones i wish i had ^^; ).

i understand how you feel. but it can sometimes be a matter of finding/making the time. since all my comics are hand drawn, i used to bring them to class with me in high school and work on them there. :3
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Aurora Borealis on February 19, 2011, 11:12:02 pm
When I have open hours during college, I work on my other (OC) comic since it needs a lot of attention. That's not so bad now that I have a graphics tablet which makes vector work and putting in details so much more cost-effective time-wise. But for a while, roughly a 14-month hiatus, that comic collapsed under the weight of its ambition.

How far have you gotten in each of the three? Do you have a really efficient schedule to manage time for all of them at once, or do you prefer to cycle between each of them?
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Chocofreak13 on February 19, 2011, 11:18:53 pm
time management is a skill i have yet to acquire. :3

i forget what happened to the viru-blues one, but i know i have at least one chapter of it. the os-tan comiket has 1 chapter, with planning for another (repeating myself, sorry ^^; ) and nanami's boarding house has SOME planning, but nothing for the first one yet. :\

alot of my comic efforts get thrown into ace's high, i have 2 and a half chapters of that already. there's also shoji seven, which has 1 chapter and a plot, but no groundwork for a second chapter (yet).

i wish i had the free time i had in high school. i spend so much time on homework, school, and commuting, that i can't seem to find the time anymore. ;__;
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Aurora Borealis on February 20, 2011, 04:26:09 pm
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Bella on February 20, 2011, 05:05:29 pm
Quote from: Aurora Borealis on February 20, 2011, 04:26:09 pm
    I need everyone's help for this. I know there's some things I'm missing.



As you wish, Aurora-dono~

Bella:

-Land of the Giants pts. 1-3
-Ad Cantabrigia
-In Cantabrigia



Stew:

Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Aurora Borealis on February 20, 2011, 05:24:19 pm
Thank you sooooo much! :D

For the literature template for each article's page, I have the following in mind:

*Title
*Author
*OS-tan continuity (?)
*Setting
*Main characters
*Supporting characters
*Narrator (name of character, or simply third-person)
*Format (series, one-shot, alternate universe)
*Length: #of chapters (if written) or #of pages (if comic)

Btw, with your Leopard-tan series, is that three chapters so far, with the first one having three parts to it?

I'm reluctant to add my stories to the list since they're all in Development Hell at the moment. :(


======

For another wiki update, I created an OS-tan Multimedia section (http://ostan-collections.net/wiki/OS-tan_Multimedia).
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: stewartsage on February 20, 2011, 06:04:09 pm
Quote from: BellsStew:

  • SAGE Chronicles*

  • Summer Days (alt-universe)

  • Time Enough At Last pts. 1-4 (alt-universe)

  • Love and the Modern Computer

  • Recital, 1962

  • Multics-sama and MTS-tan



Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Aurora Borealis on February 20, 2011, 06:07:16 pm
Thanks, stew!

@Stew and Bella: can you also give a short synopsis of each?

EDIT: Updated the Literature/Manga Guide.
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Chocofreak13 on February 20, 2011, 07:50:29 pm
hay hay, don't forget viru blues! ;__; it may be lost, but i have proof it exists! >__<
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Aurora Borealis on February 20, 2011, 08:12:27 pm
Oops. I forgot that one. :(

Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Chocofreak13 on February 20, 2011, 11:04:26 pm
^^; ty
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Aurora Borealis on February 21, 2011, 05:07:34 pm
Still working on the Multimedia page, and got more thumbnail pics added in. I was wondering if there should articles for each of the OS-tan videos describing them, the song they used, more screencaps, and with transcribed lyrics. Anybody up for that challenge?

Here's a proposed list for areas that need the most improvement:

i.e: for Inu-T (NT 4.0), redirect from InuT-tan to Windows NT Workstation; for 95-tan, redirect from 95-tan to Windows 95, for ME-tan, redirect from Me-tan to Windows ME. That will make piping to their articles much easier and consistent.

Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Chocofreak13 on February 21, 2011, 07:30:47 pm
i meant to tackle nanami a long time ago, so i'll try to get on that. ^^;

btw, i'd hold off on the multimedia section for awhile if i were you, since some of the stuff i got in my mass downloads were flash movies. :\ (alot of which we don't have.)
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Aurora Borealis on February 24, 2011, 10:17:03 pm
I was just getting started on the multimedia section, and I know there are many more I just haven't gotten to adding. Which ones do you have?

Is anybody in much of a writing/typing mood?
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Aurora Borealis on February 24, 2011, 11:20:11 pm
Got a template for the literature made:

http://ostan-collections.net/wiki/Template:Literature (http://ostan-collections.net/wiki/Template:Literature)
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Chocofreak13 on February 24, 2011, 11:56:06 pm
ugh, i wish i had more time. >__<

the template looks good, aurora-san. :3 and as for the multimedia, idk, i haven't looked over my mass pic load collection in awhile, but i'll let you know when i get to uploading everything.
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Bella on February 25, 2011, 01:06:05 am
Thanks for the lit template~ I'll get to work on mine. :D
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Aurora Borealis on February 25, 2011, 09:48:58 am
@Choco: Thanks! Let us know when you have stuff uploaded. :)

@Bella: Yay! To help you, and other editors, I added the usage code onto that template's page.
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Aurora Borealis on March 04, 2011, 12:12:32 am
Taking some cues from the OS-tan Theories thread, I expanded somewhat on the Setting article. (http://ostan-collections.net/wiki/Setting) What do you think so far?
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Chocofreak13 on March 04, 2011, 09:09:15 am
i like it. :3 but i feel that you should mention that bill gates has been shown in the canon, giving stronger roots to the real-world theory.

and i can't shake the feeling that there was a 3rd world theory, but it might have been an offshoot of the cyberpunk theory. :\

also, shouldn't there be some mention of time? it's mostly unspecified but i've seen a few pictures of 95 and 3.1 depicted in taisho-era settings. :3
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Aurora Borealis on March 04, 2011, 10:14:52 am
Those are really good points!

At this point, I wonder if I should remove the divisions between 'canon' and 'fanon' in the article, since the two have more in common setting-wise than I thought. Even in canon there were anachronisms like 3.1's and 95's attire and the settings they were in, and even then Microsoft and Bill Gates have been mentioned in that retro setting. In other words, even in canon, the OS-tanverse is a Retro Universe! :D
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Bella on March 04, 2011, 12:21:35 pm
I still insist that anachronisms are specific to certain OS-tans and -tan cultures; and that the rest of the world isn't actually anachronistic. (For instance: Multics is dressed in Rococo-style attire because her handlers think it looks good on her, not because it's the style of the era).
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Chocofreak13 on March 04, 2011, 02:14:08 pm
when it all comes down to it, there will still be -tans who dress outside of their time period, just like people who don't like followng current trends. as far as i know, SAGE was depicted in military attire despite the fact that most -tans of the time tend to favour the eleganza extravaganza look (and i just totally stole that quote from rupaul *w*). this could be due to the fact that she's a military computer, not one made by a school or other private orginization, or it could just be that she's a stubborn one who refuses to give in to the trend.

to be honest, i've only liked using the term "canon" in referring to stuff about the -tans that's the general norm (the depiction of certian -tans, that the original -tans are japanese, etc). since they're fanmade, i think our theories and contributions have as much validity as futaba/nijiura's, especially given the fact that we've pretty much taken over them by now. :3

ever since the introduction of vistan and nanami, the setting in the "canon" seems to be more present; before them, the newest os was XP, and since the -tans really got their start around 2003, that means that XP had already debuted, meaning that anything made prior to things with vista could be considered in retrospect, since other than xp's release we don't have much information as to time. :\
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Aurora Borealis on March 04, 2011, 07:20:25 pm
Oh, okay. You two worded what I wanted to say about anachronisms better than I did. So they're stylistic and cultural choices among OS-tan groups then. ^^;



Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Chocofreak13 on March 08, 2011, 11:53:17 am
yes, but as with people it usually comes down to the individual. there will be conformists and non-conformists. :3
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Aurora Borealis on March 27, 2011, 01:09:10 am
I updated the OS-tan infobox:

*http://ostan-collections.net/wiki/Template:OSinfobox (http://ostan-collections.net/wiki/Template:OSinfobox)

A WIP, also considered adding the following to the character details: height, hair color, eye color, bloodline/clan. And for technical details: predecessor, successor.
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Chocofreak13 on March 27, 2011, 04:55:56 pm
i'd like those added, especially for those that don't have a picture. ^^
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Aurora Borealis on March 27, 2011, 06:57:55 pm
That sounds good. I had always thought the infoboxes lacked detail.
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Chocofreak13 on March 27, 2011, 08:50:50 pm
now there is validity for changing them! ^^

i wish i had more time. stupid college, i want to help. :[
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Aurora Borealis on March 27, 2011, 09:57:17 pm
I'm currently gathering pics to use for each OS-tan character's infobox, and Bella, could I use your concept sketches for several of the OS-tans you sketched when I start their articles?
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Bella on March 27, 2011, 10:36:59 pm
Quote from: Aurora Borealis on March 27, 2011, 09:57:17 pm
I'm currently gathering pics to use for each OS-tan character's infobox, and Bella, could I use your concept sketches for several of the OS-tans you sketched when I start their articles?


Sure, use whatever you need to. :^)
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Aurora Borealis on March 27, 2011, 10:46:46 pm
Thanks! :D

I'm working on updating some pages now, starting with Windows 1.0 (http://ostan-collections.net/wiki/Windows_1.0). I added a separate link for Futaba's brown-haired version because her characterization is very different from the green-haired 1.0-tan.
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Chocofreak13 on March 27, 2011, 11:36:29 pm
looks nice ^^

but it got me thinking, could we add a "children" section to the infobox under character information?
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Aurora Borealis on March 27, 2011, 11:39:39 pm
Not sure about that. Most OS-tans don't have children. It'd just be better to list that in the article itself.

Just created an article for 98-tan (http://ostan-collections.net/wiki/Windows_98). It's about time that she and SE-tan have their own articles.
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: stewartsage on March 27, 2011, 11:58:34 pm
Most newer OS-tans don't.
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Aurora Borealis on March 28, 2011, 01:52:28 pm
I created two new template boxes, one for articles that need expanding, and one for articles with outdated information.

check my userpage, they're near the top. (http://ostan-collections.net/wiki/User:Aurora_Borealis) I'll make the template pages for them later.

EDIT: Here they are.

*http://ostan-collections.net/wiki/Template:Expand (http://ostan-collections.net/wiki/Template:Expand)
*http://ostan-collections.net/wiki/Template:Outdated (http://ostan-collections.net/wiki/Template:Outdated)

In particular, I've started flagging articles that need expanding on.
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Bella on March 28, 2011, 03:33:06 pm
Those are great Aurora-dono. X) Though I take minor offense at the 5.25'' floppy part. I still use those all the time..... .____.;;
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Aurora Borealis on March 28, 2011, 03:37:31 pm
I knew I'd offend somebody with that. :P
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Aurora Borealis on March 28, 2011, 07:44:06 pm
Continuing the updating spree, done with almost all the Windows-tans and moved on to some Linux-tans.

If you want to contribute in a way that shouldn't take up too much time, help out with articles that need expanding on.
http://ostan-collections.net/wiki/Category:Articles_needing_expanding (http://ostan-collections.net/wiki/Category:Articles_needing_expanding)

The Windows-tans in the category do have expanded backstories that still need to be added to the article. Another possible thing to add, especially for the canon-tans is alternate interpretations of their character.

I'll still have to search around for outdated articles:

http://ostan-collections.net/wiki/Category:Articles_with_outdated_information (http://ostan-collections.net/wiki/Category:Articles_with_outdated_information)
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Chocofreak13 on March 29, 2011, 12:12:20 am
if you want a slogan for outdated articles, how about adapting this:
http://ostan-collections.net/imeeji/displayimage.php?album=35&pos=175

STOP TELLING LIES~~
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Aurora Borealis on March 29, 2011, 12:28:23 am
Bwahahahaha! I'd love to include the panel of 95-tan holding the game controller, confused, but reluctant to because of the Deja Vu scandal. I did however write an article of their OS-tan comic:

http://ostan-collections.net/wiki/Shared_Fol-DA (http://ostan-collections.net/wiki/Shared_Fol-DA)

It's been years since the scandal, but still. I'm hoping enough time has passed that OS-tan artists stopped caring about it.
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Chocofreak13 on March 29, 2011, 11:32:45 am
to be honest, i don't think anyone outside of us will see it too much, and even if it does get traffic, not too many people will know. besides, they didn't change the design for 95, so i'd say it's safe.

when push comes to shove, the OS-tans are a FANMADE set of characters. there will always be variations on the designs. i don't seem Deja Vu as antagonists because they took some artistic licence, i see them as that because they tried to take FULL credit for the characters. :\
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Aurora Borealis on March 29, 2011, 12:19:19 pm
Okay. That shouldn't be a problem. I don't even know if Deja Vu has made any more OS-tan comics ever since. :-/

I've done some slight rewrites for some Linux-tans:

*Yellow Dog Linux-tan (http://ostan-collections.net/wiki/Yellow_Dog_Linux): She's friendly but not completely civil- she's a Playstation fanatic and is arch-rivals with Xebian-tan (a Debian variant for the Xbox). I think she'd also consider Damn Small Linux a rival (there's an Xbox variant for DSL too!). Surprisingly, she's friends with DexOS-tan, but that's another source of the rivalry between her and Xebian-tan.

*Damn Small Linux-tan (http://ostan-collections.net/wiki/Damn_Small_Linux): Hired as a spy by the Linux/Unix Consortium, but prefers her life as a wanderer. Has a rivalry with Tiny Core Linux-tan, as the head developer of TCL is a former developer of DSL.



Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Chocofreak13 on March 29, 2011, 01:24:09 pm
i'd like to see the blowout between DSL and TCL. >:3 that would make for an interesting story, especially since the other -tans wouldn't be able to tell what's going on. xD

at any rate, both bios look good. :3 good job as usual, man. ^^
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Aurora Borealis on March 29, 2011, 01:48:12 pm
Good idea! To DSL-tan, TCL-tan and other micro-sized OS-tans, their competitions would be epic! :D

In hindsight, Damn Small Linux isn't the smallest Linux distro anymore, but was the smallest when I first heard of it (AFAIK), and now has quite a bit of competition for smallest distro, so I'd imagine there's an arms race between them.

The smallest OS of them all is an OS called Contiki, that can take as little as 2KB of RAM.

*Contiki-tan (http://ostan-collections.net/wiki/Contiki_OS)

She isn't the smallest OS-tan, however. In her human size (which she uses to make traveling easier), she's 4 feet tall, but is as small as the Damn Small-tans in micro-sized mode.

And then there's Tiny OS-tan (http://ostan-collections.net/wiki/Tiny_OS). I don't have a concept for Tiny Core Linux-tan yet, but I can't help but think there'd be some similarities between her and Tiny OS-tan. o_o

Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: stewartsage on March 29, 2011, 03:30:18 pm
$20 on DSL-tan!  I don't know why, but I love the various tiny Linux models.  Both for use and as characters.

Hm, a tiny Linux distribution arms race..... yeah, probably.
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Aurora Borealis on March 29, 2011, 06:32:53 pm
Here's another overhauled article: Freespire-tan (http://ostan-collections.net/wiki/Freespire)

Her backstory is bittersweet, and so is Linspire-tan's.
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Chocofreak13 on March 29, 2011, 08:01:37 pm
poor dear ;^;

DAMN that's a small amount of ram. her chest must be concave. o__o;
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Aurora Borealis on March 29, 2011, 09:02:15 pm
Anyone willing and able to do some editing? Doing all this by myself is discouraging at times. :(
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Chocofreak13 on March 29, 2011, 09:14:35 pm
i got some time. i'll go edit nanami's page. ^^
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Aurora Borealis on March 29, 2011, 09:31:09 pm
Excellent! :D
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Chocofreak13 on March 29, 2011, 11:27:06 pm
just finished editing 7's page. 8)  (http://ostan-collections.net/wiki/Windows_7)

also, whomever's authority this falls under, i have something i'd like to upload to the downloads gallery eventually. :\
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Aurora Borealis on March 29, 2011, 11:44:42 pm
That looks GREAT!! :D

I think it may look better if you put the images directly on the page for each section, pictures in an article go a long way, but if that turns out to be too cluttered, just put them back into links. I updated the info in the infobox.

What is it that you'd like to upload?
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Chocofreak13 on March 30, 2011, 12:09:44 am
updated the article to add more information.

i didn't show the images because they were all HUGE, and they seemed like they would be too big to make good thumbs. :\

it's a .rar of all the bing girl themepacks for windows 7. since they're kind of hard to find, and technically are a piece of os-tan paraphernalia, i think it'd be nice to save them. :3

EDIT: btw, why did you take down the picture?

if you want a smaller one, in my quest for new pics i found a small avatar-sized pic of her (with good resolution).
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Aurora Borealis on March 30, 2011, 12:17:26 am
I just wasn't sure which pic to use for the article, and that one that was removed was a 100x100 pic scaled up to 200x200 because of the infobox template. If there's going to be a pic of one of the characters, it should look better than that. Should we stick to using one of Nanami?

Are you sure linking to the themepack download isn't illegal?
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Chocofreak13 on March 30, 2011, 12:25:13 am
they were a free download to begin with.

i put the pic into the article, but for some reason the old coding is still left. if you could clean that out, that's be nice. ^^;

EDIT: btw, i also found a nanami winamp skin that'd be nice to upload (it also came with install instructions).
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Aurora Borealis on March 30, 2011, 09:14:02 am
Oh, okay.

In the infobox, all you need to put in is the name of the image, you don't even need the [[File: ]] tags.
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Bella on March 30, 2011, 09:46:10 pm
Quote from: Aurora Borealis on March 29, 2011, 09:02:15 pm
Anyone willing and able to do some editing? Doing all this by myself is discouraging at times. :(


I would help, but I haven't really been inspired to work on the wiki lately. : (
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Chocofreak13 on March 30, 2011, 10:48:24 pm
considering editing/creating a page for the aizawa family (the silverlight girls).
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Aurora Borealis on March 30, 2011, 10:51:02 pm
Is there much info on them?

I was tweaking the Vistan article, and tried to add thumbnails, but they wouldn't show. :(
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Aurora Borealis on April 03, 2011, 12:45:20 pm
@Choco: I see that you also created the Silverlight-tan (http://ostan-collections.net/wiki/Microsoft_Silverlight) page. Looks good!

Working on expanding on some articles, I updatedLunar Linux-tan's article (http://ostan-collections.net/wiki/Lunar_Linux), and gave a much-needed addition to XP-tan's article (http://ostan-collections.net/wiki/XP-tan).

In hindsight, XP doesn't seem so bloated now, does it?
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Bella on April 03, 2011, 01:17:02 pm
Quote from: Aurora Borealis on April 03, 2011, 12:45:20 pmIn hindsight, XP doesn't seem so bloated now, does it?


No ma'am, but I was saying this for years. >__>

The articles look good! I keep meaning to work on the OS-tan fanfic/literature section, BTW... but I usually get caught up with writing said literature instead. -w-
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Aurora Borealis on April 03, 2011, 01:50:28 pm
I've been wanting to write some more OS-tan literature, but end up writing articles instead!

Also 10 years ago, OSX was bloatware (requirements at least twice as high as OS9's)- 15 years ago, people were decrying Windows 95's high requirements... 20 years ago, System 7's requirements were considered awfully high. 40+ years ago, it was said that Multics would collapse under its own weight, though that may have been due to the sheer ambitiousness of it.

I think it's good that XP-tan's character is finally getting some vindication- I no longer like that she is/was portrayed as a shallow bimbo (though I did back then)- talk about a Designated Hero!
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Chocofreak13 on April 03, 2011, 02:30:21 pm
i've always liked XP. so stable, so reliable, so familiar. i didn't care if she was slow at times, she as always there for me and got the job done. ;v;

@aurora: yeah, figured i'd give the aizawas their moment in the sun. :3
@bells: i'd like to work on os theory, but every time i try it gets shot by everyone. >__<;
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Aurora Borealis on April 03, 2011, 02:40:37 pm
I'd like to bring the theories thread back too, but I just don't have much to say about any theories at the moment.
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Krizonar on April 03, 2011, 03:12:58 pm
My first computer I had when I was old enough to tell the difference between computers (as in, I was old enough to tell this wasn't a Mac) was a Gateway that ran.. 98 I think.
(http://cdn.cloudfiles.mosso.com/c25231/15231.jpg)

Went back to my years old iMac.

I need to continue on my OS-Tan story too, I stopped at a cliffhanger! oh noes!
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Aurora Borealis on April 03, 2011, 03:26:49 pm
You have an OS-tan story too? I'd like to see it! :)

There's one I'm working on centering around Altair-tan and Xenix-tan and the mysteries behind them to the Vintage-tans, but I'm kinda at a standstill on part 3.
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Krizonar on April 03, 2011, 03:37:27 pm
I'm kinda shy about it, but yes, I'm on chapter 2, its about me and my OS-tan from my computer. It uses my theories too!
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Aurora Borealis on April 03, 2011, 03:48:17 pm
I'd still like to see it- I have seen a few alt-universe OS-tan stories that take place on a user-level like that (user-level theory?), which is just as valid as the larger-scale interpretations.
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Krizonar on April 03, 2011, 03:55:23 pm
Do you have an IM or otherwise private way of sending/receiving it?
I've never been fond of my writing, so I'd prefer only you see it. (since you asked)
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Chocofreak13 on April 03, 2011, 04:00:35 pm
diversity is gooood. -w- poast it, man.

ugh, i wish i could continue mine. but college has me so bogged down that even the stuff i "do for myself" is for school. just thinking about it is depressing, so there's no immediate plans to continue it (it'll continue, though, i have expanded ideas for it).
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Krizonar on April 03, 2011, 04:11:27 pm
ehhhhhh!  :-[
I may, Bellz0rs will probably convince me to.
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: NejinOniwa on April 03, 2011, 04:59:40 pm
Scrap Paper is open for you always, my friend. -w-
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Chocofreak13 on April 03, 2011, 07:07:41 pm
@kriz: i'm nervous any time someone looks at my work. but you can't let that stop you. >.<; if i let it stop me i wouldn't be in art school.
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Aurora Borealis on April 03, 2011, 07:08:28 pm
@Krizo: If you're still not willing to post it up yet, you can PM it to me.
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Chocofreak13 on April 03, 2011, 07:28:53 pm
BE BRAVE, MAN! or at least refine it to the point where you can be brave. :3
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Krizonar on April 03, 2011, 07:44:20 pm
fien, though I'm logging out for the time being directly after ¬3¬
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Chocofreak13 on April 03, 2011, 07:55:38 pm
:3 yay.
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Aurora Borealis on April 05, 2011, 06:31:07 pm
Now that thumbnails are working again, I added some pictures to Vistan's article (http://ostan-collections.net/wiki/Vistan), and trimmed down some of the descriptions.
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Aurora Borealis on April 06, 2011, 05:58:02 pm
Working on more early OS-tan articles, among them, I updated BESYS-tan's article (http://ostan-collections.net/wiki/BESYS) to include her backstory. On my GMOS family portraiture, Stew informed me that BESYS-tan died in 1964, shortly before Multics was born. I inferred that BESYS's lifeforce was sacrificed in the process. One of BESYS's sisters, UMES-tan (article also updated) (http://ostan-collections.net/wiki/UMES) suffered the same fate when MTS-tan was created but lived a little longer.

Also moving articles away from using what -was- the new infobox before simply updating the older one (http://ostan-collections.net/wiki/Template:OStaninfo). Still have quite a few to go. T_T Why did I think making a separate infobox was a good idea at the time?
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Bella on April 06, 2011, 06:49:04 pm
I haven't heard of that life-force-switching thing before. Quite odd.

Articles look good though~
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: NejinOniwa on April 06, 2011, 06:53:29 pm
I'd like to put something in on that sacrificial thing as well (it can be worked into Code Theory with little effort, from what I see), but that'll have to be someday when I'm not way off my bedtime -_-
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Bella on April 06, 2011, 07:04:37 pm
Not me.... otherwise Unix-sama would have been bled of her lifeforce long ago. (Having OVER 9000! successors and all.) >_____>

Building a complex world is fun, but sometimes it can get too - ah, screwit, I'll just incorporate what I like in my stories and ignore the rest. <<
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: NejinOniwa on April 06, 2011, 07:08:56 pm
Times change, m'dear. Besides, the sacrificial ritual would be pretty easy to implement as a Code spell - the rest is just an old human/computer custom. Ofc, we can dis-/agree to various parts of that to differing degree...
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Aurora Borealis on April 06, 2011, 07:09:50 pm
Lifeforce sacrifice is pretty much limited to the 70's and earlier. Could be due to a scarcity then, and maybe ancient computer-tans weren't able to regenerate their own lifeforce after a daughter was created. Many of the OS-tans of the 40's and 50's were lucky if they lived for 10 years!
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: NejinOniwa on April 06, 2011, 07:18:41 pm
If a -tan's entire pool, or more, of Code was forcibly transplanted from an old computer to a new one using correct spellwork and tools, it would have a sacrificial effect and a boon on the newborn as well. You could probably try it today as well, but it'd probably be a bit harder to bring anything down seeing as the amount of hardware support/spread almost all -tans have leave them quite sturdy against such an attack on their Code pool.
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Bella on April 06, 2011, 07:39:46 pm
This idea is kludgy and elephantine. .__________.;;;;;;;
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Aurora Borealis on April 06, 2011, 07:51:25 pm
I didn't think it was that hard to follow. To simplify, early systems didn't have a wide code base (with few, or even only one installation site), so when those early systems got discontinued (and shut down), their life force would take a huge hit or even lose it all. Back then, the idea of keeping obsolete systems alive (the concept of retrocomputing) didn't really exist, so in several cases, an old system was sacrificed to create a successor. I hope that makes sense.
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Bella on April 06, 2011, 07:57:21 pm
My criticism has nothing to do with not understanding the theory.

Actually, imma just stfu now. People in glass houses shouldn't throw stones... ~w~
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Aurora Borealis on April 06, 2011, 08:07:08 pm
My bad. Maybe we shouldn't think too hard about that sacrifice theory.

Still migrating articles over to the current info box. That'll be my top priority in the wiki work, followed by adding pictures and clean up or update articles that especially have quality issues.
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Chocofreak13 on April 07, 2011, 01:02:37 am
didn't we agree that as long as there were emulators and living hobby computers out there, a -tan was considered "alive"? :\

@aurora: we all do crazy things when we're tired. :\ on the bright side, things look nice, though might i suggest putting a picture of that background with all those vistas to demonstrate just how many there were? ^^;
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: stewartsage on April 07, 2011, 07:08:21 am
I imagine it's sorta like trying to summon a spirit back from the dead in Voodoo.  They have every right to say 'Oh hell no, I'm not coming back'.
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: NejinOniwa on April 07, 2011, 11:23:37 am
Well, in the case of emulation and such, that is the case.
When ACTUAL necromancy comes into play, however, the -tan has precious little say about it.
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: stewartsage on April 07, 2011, 11:42:39 am
Actual necromancy is a completely different field of study then Voodoo.
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Aurora Borealis on April 07, 2011, 12:11:26 pm
I agree with each of you. Necromancy is rare in the OS-tanverse, as the only deceased OS-tan that has completely came from the dead AFAIK is Multics, since Multics became open source in '07. Also story-wise, Multics is Plan 9's grandmother and thought it'd be cool to bring a newly open-sourced OS-tan from the dead, but didn't know that Multics is the mother of her sworn enemy... Unix!

I'm pretty sure Colossus came back from the dead too. While we're at it, CTSS-tan could be resurrected too since CTSS was open sourced and emulators have been built, but I'm guessing she might not be resurrected for story purposes.

But most of the other deceased still live on and can be contacted through emulation. Either way, most 'deceased' OS-tans aren't completely dead.
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: NejinOniwa on April 07, 2011, 12:13:55 pm
Well, ofc, since it involves dabbling with hardware, which emulation vodoo does not.
Though while their natures are very different, the results or intents can be very similar...

Yes, Colossus and Multics are the only -tans that have come back from the dead 4realz, as it stands. I think.
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Bella on April 09, 2011, 07:10:39 pm
Relevant to this thread? (Now that I've found the right one) >>

(http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s320/BellasOS-tans/map.jpg)

This was drawn in mid-July, so, it's REALLY out of date. For instance:

-It's been established that SAGE-tan = AN/FSQ-7 computer and whatever software it ran
-Likewise, CTSS-tan represents the OS and the modified IBM 7094 hardware on which it ran
-PDP 1-tan is only the "mother"/genetic ancestor of the 18-bit PDP lineup (PDP-4, -7, -9 and -15) the other PDP-tans descended from LINC, PDP-8, -6, and -11
-I'm not sure what, if any, influence CP/CMS had on later generations of IBM-tans
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Aurora Borealis on April 09, 2011, 07:31:03 pm
Excellent! So true that Unix and Linux have too many descendants to count, and separate trees would be needed for them. DOS-11 stole RSX-tan from her biological mother?! Now I'm really curious about that! Please elaborate!

A few more I'd add if you plan on making an updated version:

-Altair influenced IMSAI 8080, though they're rivals.
-IMSAI 8080 was also the mentor to DR-DOS (CP/M)
-I don't see any mention of the Data Generals, but the Nova influenced Apple I.
-BESYS's life was sacrificed for Multics' creation, and UMES's life was sacrificed for MTS' creation.
-Apple III and Lisa influenced the Classic Mac OS.
-A/UX is a stepsister to the Classic Macs, and a presumably a cousin to the OSXs, highly influenced by the former.
-NeXTSTEP and Rhapsody are sisters.
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: NejinOniwa on April 09, 2011, 07:37:57 pm
Aside from Good Job, I only have this to say:
WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGH CHARTS
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Chocofreak13 on April 09, 2011, 09:46:37 pm
*vein*

THIS
BELONGS
IN
THE
THEORY
THREAD
ERRGH
>__<
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: stewartsage on April 10, 2011, 04:28:37 pm
UMES was sacrificed for no one, least of all MTS.  She just plain old died.
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Bella on April 10, 2011, 04:45:48 pm
Quote from: stewartsage on April 10, 2011, 04:28:37 pm
UMES was sacrificed for no one, least of all MTS.  She just plain old died.


I TOLD YOU GUYS! I TOLLLLLD YOUUUUUUU~
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Aurora Borealis on April 10, 2011, 04:48:49 pm
Okay. I rewrote the section on her death, though I really liked the OS-tan sacrifice theory.

Another article I did a rewrite of was Stratus VOS-tan (http://ostan-collections.net/wiki/Stratus_VOS).

Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Chocofreak13 on April 10, 2011, 05:41:56 pm
S-VOS sounds kinda pretentious/stuck up. (the "true heir" mentality)
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Aurora Borealis on April 10, 2011, 05:50:38 pm
She is pretty stuck-up, but she feels like she's been lied to for much of her life. Even if she's wrong, that feeling of being lied to isn't a nice feeling to have. She does mission-critical jobs and would also like some recognition for her efforts, and she seems to be all alone too.

Actually, I can't recall if in her Annex bio she thinks she's THE true heir, or A true heir (just as much as Unix is) but was screwed over by alleged enemies.
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Bella on April 10, 2011, 08:51:59 pm
She thinks she's Multics' daughter, and that her mother had to lie to her about their relationship in order to protect her. It's likely that she knows about Unix's and Multics' relationship, and thinks that her "sister" mistreated her mother badly (which, she did) and hates her for it - and is confused that Multics would give more affection to the "bad daughter" when she was really more like her mother all along (which, she is - VOS is basically a little Multics system, Unix took some design cues from Multics but is scarcely a "conceptual heir"). VOS-tan is pretty much a bundle of conspiracy theories and rejection issues under an incredibly strong and asskickerish exterior.
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Aurora Borealis on April 10, 2011, 09:34:37 pm
Great explanation- I added that info into her article now.

What happened that caused Multics and VOS to lose contact with each other? And any chance of reconciliation between her and Unix, since Multics is alive again? And if anything, VOS was nicer to Multics than Unix was for a long time, and could be considered her daughter in a spiritual sense.

EDIT: Also did some cleanup for Coleco Adam-tan's article (http://ostan-collections.net/wiki/Coleco_Adam).
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Chocofreak13 on April 11, 2011, 05:40:11 pm
Adam-chan sounds cute, though a little dangerous to touch. ^^;
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Aurora Borealis on April 11, 2011, 09:43:21 pm
The Vintage-tans care for her, but many have to be very cautious- especially Plus/4-tan (one of her own friends!), who has a huge weakness against static electricity (One of the major chips in the Plus/4 has a high failure rate due to static electricity). :(

EDIT: I did some tweaking to Apple I's, II's and III's articles. I still need to add in some more recent info for III-tan, such as her meetings with SAGE and GENIAC.
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Chocofreak13 on April 12, 2011, 12:15:02 am
come to think of it, why isn't there an apple IV?

and should we expect an update to lisa's article, in line with the others?
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Aurora Borealis on April 12, 2011, 12:26:51 am
I'll get to Lisa's article soon. The Lisa was going to be named Apple IV, since "Lisa" was just a codename, but it stuck. Same goes for the Macintosh, which may have otherwise been named Apple V.
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: stewartsage on April 12, 2011, 12:40:42 pm
Well damn, now I need to reread her article before continuing the most recent SAGE segment.  Ha!  More reason to delay!
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Chocofreak13 on April 12, 2011, 04:12:38 pm
procrastination is bad, dude. xD

@aurora: and here i thought Lisa was totally seperate from the line. i just threw her in cause i knew the name, and it fit in! cool! ^^
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Bella on April 12, 2011, 07:16:43 pm
Quote from: stewartsage on April 12, 2011, 12:40:42 pm
Well damn, now I need to reread her article before continuing the most recent SAGE segment.  Ha!  More reason to delay!


There's gonna be moar Apple ///-tan in SAGE's story? *___________*

Quote from: Aurora Borealis on April 12, 2011, 12:26:51 am
I'll get to Lisa's article soon. The Lisa was going to be named Apple IV, since "Lisa" was just a codename, but it stuck. Same goes for the Macintosh, which may have otherwise been named Apple V.


That settles it, I'm calling Macintoshes Apple V's from now on. On that note, I've tend to think of the Apple /// as the "Sara" too. >__>

Had no idea that the Plus/4 was so prone to static damage.... and that's one of my favourite Commodores.... ;__;
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: stewartsage on April 12, 2011, 08:27:51 pm
No, the Coleco Adam article. 

Also: Of course there's going to be more Apple ///
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Chocofreak13 on April 12, 2011, 09:04:38 pm
coo-ool. -w-

hmm, i'm reminded of that one -tan i drew with the tape ribbons in her hair. of course, she was stuck-up anyway, so i doubt she'd associate with many people. ^^;
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Pitkin on April 14, 2011, 01:27:51 pm
Nothing really important substance-wise to the wiki, but I updated the timeline in article http://ostan-collections.net/wiki/OS-tan_Collections. As originally pointed out, it's an unimportant stub, but I don't consider myself qualified to edit any actual OS-tan articles, so I decided to do what I could: site history. Any suggestions/objections will be welcome. :)
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Aurora Borealis on April 19, 2011, 11:36:07 pm
Looks good, Pitkin! :)

I've been adding onto Lisa-tan's (http://ostan-collections.net/wiki/Apple_Lisa) article, adding the first section of her backstory, and doing some cleanup in the other sections.
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Aurora Borealis on April 22, 2011, 03:02:34 pm
Two major updates, one is re-titling several of the Windows-tans articles (for consistency), and the other is starting an ambitious page, on OS-tan lineages! (http://ostan-collections.net/wiki/OS-tan_lineage) Help very much needed!
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Bella on April 22, 2011, 04:44:10 pm
EDIT: I posted a map of OS-tan lineages in the Theory thread. Maybe that will help?
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Aurora Borealis on April 22, 2011, 09:44:43 pm
That helped! :D

I added both maps to the page.
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Aurora Borealis on April 23, 2011, 07:45:19 pm
I created the OS-tan lineage article for the DOS/Win9x-based Windows-tans: http://ostan-collections.net/wiki/DOS/Win9x (http://ostan-collections.net/wiki/DOS/Win9x)
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Aurora Borealis on April 24, 2011, 02:01:11 pm
*sigh* I hate having to triple post, but I expanded some details on ME-tan's and 2K-tan's articles.

Heheheheh... I keep straying from whatever I was intended to focus on. Our main focus now should be on the OS-tan Lineage section- why not? It's an ambitious thing I can't do singlehandedly. I got one article up... several more to go! Any ideas how to start the next ones?

Even if you're not in an article-editing mood, post ideas here!
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Bella on April 24, 2011, 02:10:50 pm
I can probably help with the lineages of the MIT society and DEC-tans, just have to convert my map into textual form. And add info. Of which I have much.

The Win 9x/DOS line article looks good. RED, TAKE NOTE. TT;;
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Aurora Borealis on April 24, 2011, 02:38:57 pm
Okay! From what I've typed up, is it accurate that there isn't a single DEC bloodline, but multiple lineages united by cultural ties?

Good thing you're there for the MIT section! I understand it better now, but just don't know how to word it, and how descendants from the MIT society founded their own separate lineages. x_x

And among the Unices, was the split between the Sys V and BSD branches a cultural one, with BSD's descendants seeing her as their leader? And to make things more confusing, there are multiple schisms within the BSD branch itself, the major one being those (including BSD herself!) affiliating with the rest of the "Old Guard" Unices in the LUC , and those FOSS ones in the User Space Gang or Wanderer Class.
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Bella on April 25, 2011, 01:53:42 pm
Well.... maybe writing about the MIT-tans is more work than I expected...

I keep running into trouble - there are a few true MIT OS-tans (Whirlwind, LINC), many more who are MIT-made but funded by outside corporations (SAGE, Multics, CP/CMS), OSes that were created by MIT but hardware came from outside companies (CTSS, ITS), hardwares that were largely designed at MIT but branded by other companies (PDP-1), and systems influenced by MIT computers but weren't MIT-made at all (SABRE, BUIC, most of the LINC- or PDP-1-derived DEC-tans, IBM 7090, H-6180, etc). While I will continue to insist there is an MIT society, I somehow feel that there needs to be a better term for the collection of hardware and OS-tans I just named... .__.;
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Aurora Borealis on April 25, 2011, 02:08:05 pm
I like the term MIT Society, and would say that at this point it's more culturally-based than bloodline-based as many of them listed are either:

1. Partly made by MIT (the OS, but not hardware) but still identify as an MIT-tan (i.e: CTSS, ITS- it can be said they mainly represent the OS, and their hardware second)
2. Still considered products of MIT even if their funding came from elsewhere.
3. In the case of PDP-1-tan, she still identifies as an MIT.
4. Those that were MIT-influenced but not MIT-made (unlike their predecessors) are new lineages descended from, but separate from the original MIT Society, but should still be mentioned as a part of the Society's legacy.

Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: stewartsage on April 25, 2011, 11:48:08 pm
I like Aurora-dono's concept the best so far, for the MIT's.
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Bella on April 25, 2011, 11:55:02 pm
....her concept is pretty much my concept.... I never said they were a bloodline, though most of them are loosely related.
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: stewartsage on April 26, 2011, 03:21:43 am
I didn't read any farther then Aurora-dono's since it made sense to me...... I'm lazy, in case you'd forgotten.
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Aurora Borealis on April 28, 2011, 03:33:26 pm
A new lineage article: http://ostan-collections.net/wiki/Pre-Macintosh (http://ostan-collections.net/wiki/Pre-Macintosh)

Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Aurora Borealis on May 01, 2011, 12:26:37 am
I've been on an updating spree again, looking for pictures to add to articles. Yeah, I'm getting distracted again. @_@

Latest article to get pretty-fied with pictures: http://ostan-collections.net/wiki/2003_Server (http://ostan-collections.net/wiki/2003_Server)
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Bella on May 01, 2011, 01:15:02 am
Looks good Aurora. >W<

Also, that Pre-Macintosh line article was quite informative~ Good work from our Senior Mac-tan Expert! ^^
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Aurora Borealis on May 01, 2011, 01:18:24 am
Thanks! I'm hoping to find more articles to pretty up (whether it's by finding pics or drawing new ones), and inspiration came quickly for the pre-Mac article. :)
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Chocofreak13 on May 01, 2011, 02:24:07 pm
all i can input on linages is to re-read the theory thread, and that i found some lineage pics of the os-tans (the windows and macs specifically) on my internet travels of earlier this year. they're going to be uploaded when i get some free time.
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Aurora Borealis on May 01, 2011, 08:36:54 pm
@Choco: Okay! Those pics will look great in their respective lineage articles!

Continuing my updating spree again, this time focused on the Mac-tans! (see the Recent Changes) I'm quickly collaging some pics to use for their infoboxes, and doing some cleanup, and may need to update a lot of info. At least one of their articles is dreadfully out of date by now. :(
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Chocofreak13 on May 01, 2011, 11:39:06 pm
:\

well, think of it this way: you were updating other things first, and now it's this mac-tan's turn. :3
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Aurora Borealis on May 02, 2011, 12:00:33 am
Mostly going in order, I got some substantial updates to System 2's and 3's articles. :)

*http://ostan-collections.net/wiki/Macintosh_System_2 (http://ostan-collections.net/wiki/Macintosh_System_2)
*http://ostan-collections.net/wiki/Macintosh_System_3 (http://ostan-collections.net/wiki/Macintosh_System_3)

Still need to add some more details (I still don't have much for either of their backstories), but System 3-tan is a ditz, a Crouching Moron Hidden Badass and is even a Combat Pragmatist. She isn't always the prim and proper type! :D

And neither is System 2-tan, who has a Napoleon Complex, hates to be ignored, has rivalries with the more boisterous Macs (especially System 6-tan) and laments her lack of combat ability. She's indifferent towards the Windows-Mac Family meetings, but sympathizes with MSDOS-tan.

EDIT: This turned out to be my 3000th post!
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Chocofreak13 on May 03, 2011, 12:51:14 am
Quote from: Aurora Borealis on May 02, 2011, 12:00:33 am
Crouching Moron Hidden Badass

i lawl'd.

also, congrats on 3k posts ^^ and keep up the good work, i can see the light at the end of the tunnel so there will be pics soon! ^^;
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: stewartsage on May 03, 2011, 03:55:25 pm
OS-tan Wiki: Needs moar tropes

I'm just barely ahead of you Aurora-dono.
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Aurora Borealis on May 03, 2011, 04:36:48 pm
Do I dare make a thread here about OS-tans and tropes? ^^;

Also, there is an OS-tan page on TV Tropes, about the canon OS-tans: http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/OS-Tan (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/OS-Tan)

I didn't create it as I'm just a lurker, but I was amazed to see a page made! :D
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: NejinOniwa on May 03, 2011, 05:22:15 pm
Do notice they've linked to us. -w-
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Aurora Borealis on May 03, 2011, 05:27:48 pm
I didn't see that until I checked that article again- silly me!
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: stewartsage on May 04, 2011, 07:41:00 am
Hey, I remember reading that before.  Just never bothered to edit it....

But yeah, you could totally make an OSC page (or I could).  There's no such thing as notability, remember?
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Chocofreak13 on May 05, 2011, 01:23:31 am
there is an error in that tropes page. someone go fix that part about nanami being official. >:\

free tiem starts now, so will go back on the hunt for pics tomorrow. -w-
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Bella on May 07, 2011, 12:40:56 pm
Quote from: Aurora Borealis on May 03, 2011, 04:36:48 pm
Do I dare make a thread here about OS-tans and tropes? ^^;


DO EET. I nearly did last year, lol... >>;

Quote from: stewartsage on May 04, 2011, 07:41:00 am
But yeah, you could totally make an OSC page (or I could).  There's no such thing as notability, remember?


DO EET. Since you're the only active-/non-lurker-troper OSCer...
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Chocofreak13 on May 07, 2011, 07:19:08 pm
*avoids tropes page like the plague*
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Aurora Borealis on May 17, 2011, 01:42:28 am
Some more partial updates:

*http://ostan-collections.net/wiki/Troubled_Windows (http://ostan-collections.net/wiki/Troubled_Windows): Started transcribing the lyrics from the fansub. I can't guarantee it'll be accurate since I usually don't know when one word starts and when another ends since there's no spacing in Japanese.

*http://ostan-collections.net/wiki/SCO_Unix (http://ostan-collections.net/wiki/SCO_Unix): Expanded the family and relationships (especially rivalries!), and got started on the history section.

*http://ostan-collections.net/wiki/Mac_OS_9 (http://ostan-collections.net/wiki/Mac_OS_9):Going to merge the articles for 9.1 and 9.2 into this, mentioned them as OS9 variants, and will include pictures later.
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: NejinOniwa on May 17, 2011, 02:51:11 am
I may be able to help some with the sub transcription. I will check it once you've got somewhere.
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Aurora Borealis on May 17, 2011, 04:13:35 pm
Okay! Sounds good!

Update: Added pics to OS9-tan's article.
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Chocofreak13 on May 18, 2011, 01:03:09 pm
:3

and as for 9.1 and 9.2, unless they have their own characters, shouldn't they just be lumped in with OS9? we didn't make seperate characters for XP SP2 and SP3, after all. :\
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Bella on May 18, 2011, 01:26:04 pm
But you see Choco, representations of OS 9.1 and 9.2 already exist (and OS 9.2 has a fairly fleshed-out character too.) The rule of creating -tans for minor OS updates is this: respect the ones that already exist, but don't make new ones.
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Aurora Borealis on May 18, 2011, 01:28:41 pm
I merged their articles with OS9's, and mentioned that they're separate characters, but not often recognized as such, comparable to 95 OSR 2.1-tan and 2.5-tan.
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Chocofreak13 on May 18, 2011, 02:22:13 pm
@bella: i had an inkling that they had their own characters, but i like aurora's approach of mentioning them--but just that.

any wiki articles that need updating? (idk how helpful i can be, but i can try :3)
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Aurora Borealis on May 18, 2011, 03:34:25 pm
@Choco: Here are some:

Articles that need expanding (http://ostan-collections.net/wiki/index.php?title=Category:Articles_needing_expanding&action=edit&redlink=1)- among them are entries for canon Windows-tans, I'm surprised they've been overlooked for this long!

98-tan's and 98SE-tan's articles probably could use expanding too- I didn't know what other info to put on them.
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Chocofreak13 on May 19, 2011, 03:17:27 pm
kaaay~~
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Aurora Borealis on May 22, 2011, 07:03:41 pm
Should I start a page keeping track of proposed human names for the OS-tans?
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Chocofreak13 on May 22, 2011, 07:12:55 pm
that might fall under the theory page, right? maybe as a subsection?
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Aurora Borealis on May 22, 2011, 07:17:56 pm
That works too. The theory pages all still need to be worked on!
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Chocofreak13 on May 22, 2011, 07:46:46 pm
what needs to be done on it? does it need compiling, organizing, updating, or what?
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Aurora Borealis on May 22, 2011, 08:02:15 pm
I'm getting started on making the table, and the instructions on how to add entries to help others out. After getting those basics down, we can move on to those next steps.
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Chocofreak13 on May 22, 2011, 08:10:21 pm
kay. just let me know when. :3
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Aurora Borealis on May 22, 2011, 08:17:14 pm
Here's the link: http://ostan-collections.net/wiki/OS-tan_Human_Names (http://ostan-collections.net/wiki/OS-tan_Human_Names)
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Chocofreak13 on May 22, 2011, 08:59:56 pm
looks good. but what about the os-tans who go under codenames? like 3.1 having the name Janus? (idk if that's canon, but that's the codename for 3.1, and that's what i'm using.)

i was going to post something else, but it'd probably be better for me to post it in the "NEEDED: YOUR INPUT" thread.
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Aurora Borealis on May 22, 2011, 09:02:59 pm
The human names are all fanon at this point. It's a list of -proposed- human names, but there are nicknames that are canon though. (i.e: Hacchan, Secchan)
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Chocofreak13 on May 22, 2011, 09:12:49 pm
i think "Emuii" was canon, since that's the literal pronunciation of "M-E" in japanese. :\

eh, either way, good job. :3 but i hope it's possible to have more than one name in there, since i doubt we're going to completely agree on that sort of thing (plus it's bound to vary from story to story).
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Aurora Borealis on May 22, 2011, 09:15:23 pm
Yes, you can list multiple names in each cell, or leave it blank if there aren't any in that category.
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Chocofreak13 on May 22, 2011, 10:28:50 pm
ah, okie. good. -w-

so, those pages you mentioned before still need updating? ^^;
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Aurora Borealis on May 22, 2011, 10:34:26 pm
Yes. Nobody has worked on those since I mentioned them.
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Chocofreak13 on May 22, 2011, 11:11:33 pm
:[

i'm sorry. i'll start on them tomorrow night.
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Aurora Borealis on May 22, 2011, 11:21:10 pm
Didn't mean to be harsh, but I'll be looking forward to your updates!

Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Chocofreak13 on May 23, 2011, 01:41:13 am
no no, i just feel bad for slacking off. :[ i feel like i'm letting you down.
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Aurora Borealis on May 23, 2011, 11:10:32 pm
I added some names to the name table.
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Chocofreak13 on May 24, 2011, 11:19:02 am
kaay. ^^
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: NejinOniwa on May 24, 2011, 04:43:39 pm
Corrected the date on Mertvaya's page.
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Chocofreak13 on May 25, 2011, 01:16:34 pm
how would i go about seperating the windows 98 page into two? should we make a seperate page or should i just divide the existing page into two sections, one for Hacchan, one for Secchan? :\
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Aurora Borealis on May 25, 2011, 02:15:25 pm
There are two separate pages already- I split them since at this point they're separate enough as characters, but the articles could still use some expanding and more pictures:

*http://ostan-collections.net/wiki/Windows_98 (http://ostan-collections.net/wiki/Windows_98)
*http://ostan-collections.net/wiki/Windows_98SE (http://ostan-collections.net/wiki/Windows_98SE)
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Chocofreak13 on May 25, 2011, 02:32:36 pm
ok. plenty of fodder for pictures available. -w-
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Aurora Borealis on May 25, 2011, 02:39:42 pm
Some good pics to use are pics of the stick-figure boxes, a pic of 98 and Homeo together, and 98 SE wielding a bottle opener and/or tormenting Homeo, and maybe also a strip depicting the rivalry between 95 OSR 2.5 and 98. :P
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Chocofreak13 on May 25, 2011, 03:05:07 pm
i distinctly remember a comic where SE was running for president, and her platform was snipping all men's _____. i figure that might be a good pic to reference, if only to show SE's personality. :\
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Aurora Borealis on May 25, 2011, 03:25:07 pm
Do you have that pic? I think it'd be great to include!
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Chocofreak13 on May 25, 2011, 03:48:27 pm
i think it was somewhere in the gallery, but if not i'll try to find it (ik i've seen it somewhere).
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Aurora Borealis on May 28, 2011, 11:13:59 pm
Some more updates:

*http://ostan-collections.net/wiki/The_HURD (http://ostan-collections.net/wiki/The_HURD): Expanded on article.
*http://ostan-collections.net/wiki/Debian (http://ostan-collections.net/wiki/Debian): Added infobox, tweaked info slightly, but need more character details.
*http://ostan-collections.net/wiki/Classic_Mac (http://ostan-collections.net/wiki/Classic_Mac): Got started on article.

Also added a few more names on the OS-tan human names article.

For CRAY-1-tan, I proposed the name Corina Seymour. Not yet listed but considered was Belle or Bess for BESYS-tan's western name, and Yumi for UMES-tan's Japanese name.
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Bella on May 28, 2011, 11:45:32 pm
I'd suggest Bess Bell for BESYS' name. Stewart listed her as Bethany Murray however.

-RSX and VAXELN are Risa and Ellen Cutler. This is VMS-tan's last name too.

-Word of God says WWMCCS-tan's "human" name is Wimmex. Thus compounding her strangeness.

-Likewise, I think WAITS-tan would be referred to as... Waits. But IIRC, Willow was the human name proposed for her.

-Univac U1050 II-tan's name is Ursula Rand (not that anyone knows WHO U1050 II-tan actually is...)

-As for some of the male characters, Emacs is Evan, Vi is (probably) Victor, QED is Ted, RED is Red, FANSTRAND is Randy (Randall Sperry?), IBM 728 is Ivan (van der Zee?)
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Aurora Borealis on May 29, 2011, 12:10:48 am
Those sound great!

For the Apple-tans Western last name, I considered Appletree.

A few others considered:

-QNX is Quinn X. Dodge

-Rainbow 100 is Rain Cutler

-RT-11 could be Renita Cutler

-MenuetOS is Minna Turjanmaa

-Can't think of a name for KolibriOS, maybe Kolibri could work for her first name, but I can't find the name of the leader of the Kolibri Project. All I know is that KOS is mostly developed in the former USSR.
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Bella on May 29, 2011, 12:18:34 am
Quote from: Aurora Borealis on May 29, 2011, 12:10:48 am
-Rainbow 100 is Rain Cutler

-RT-11 could be Renita Cutler

-MenuetOS is Minna Turjanmaa




I would say "Decker" would be a more appropriate name for Rainbow and RT-11-tan - since "Cutler" refers directly to the creator of VMS, RSX and VAXELN, Dave Cutler. Given that RT-11 and Rainbow don't have specific creators (that I know of), the generic Decker-as-in-DEC name would probably work best.

[For future reference: PDP 1-chan's last name is probably Olsen or Gurley (the engineer who designed the PDP-1) and I'm going to wager that LINC-tan's name includes "Lincoln".]

...I can't pronounce Menuet-tan's last name D:

Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Aurora Borealis on May 29, 2011, 12:25:14 am
My bad! ^^;

What would PDP-1's last name be? Would Decker work for her too?

I don't even know if my pronunciation of Menuet-tan's last name is correct either!
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Chocofreak13 on May 29, 2011, 02:00:47 am
@bells: menuet's last name = tur-jaan-ma or tur-yaan-ma

i'd say for the mac's last name, fuji might be nice for the japanese, and macintosh for the western (since fuji apples are quintessentially japanese, and the same holds true for macintoshes).

i remember one of the Commodores was named Coco.....and didn't Amiga have a human name?

windows 1.0, japanese: Kazue or Kazuko (and Kazuo if i make a male version), meaning "first branch", "first child", and "first man" respectively
western: Primula (meaning "very first")

windows 2.0: japanese: Ami ("second beauty", or Aki, "Second Hope") and Jirou ("Second Male")
western: Nakato ("second of twins", african name), Kato (same meaning, male form)

http://www.behindthename.com/php/search.php?nmd=md&terms=second
try searching for meanings there. it was damn hard to find names that meant "second" or "two", which is why i settled on those (i'm gonna stick to the japanese names in the comic for now...)

btw, i named 2k-kun Nichen (in my comic). hope that's cool.
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Aurora Borealis on May 29, 2011, 02:17:19 am
I like those! :D

Coco is a completely different computer from the Commodores though, it's the color counterpart to the original TRS-80.

Amiga-tan's Western name is Lorraine. No last name yet though.
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Chocofreak13 on May 29, 2011, 02:25:51 am
i was close..... >>;

well, that site is sooper-useful, since you can search by meaning, origin AND name (and they have names from all over; i found some names in esperanto!!).

any more that need names? :3 this is kinda fun. ^^ (i just remembered, we need a name for OS/2)
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Aurora Borealis on May 29, 2011, 10:42:00 pm
The Commodore-tans except for VIC-20 still don't have human names, and I have no idea for their last names.

Most of them do have Japanese nicknames though: PET is Petchan, VIC-20 is Vicchan, C64 is Panchan, C128 is Senchan.

For the Ataris' Western names, Atari DOS-tan is Colleen, named after the codename for the Atari 800 computer. I've considered Stacy for Atari ST-tan, but there is a (obscure, portable) computer from Atari with that name. Maybe that name could still work for her?

There were also two new things I considered adding to the OS infobox template: proposed human names (when there are enough of them), and weapon of choice. :)
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Alex_Reetz on May 29, 2011, 11:10:42 pm
how do i make a wiki page?
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Bella on May 29, 2011, 11:11:00 pm
I hate the name Stacy... but it works in this case. >__>

I wondered about OS/2-tan's name too... somehow I think it should be Star Trek-inspired, but I don't know enough on that topic to make any suggestions. -w-
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Aurora Borealis on May 29, 2011, 11:44:05 pm
@Alex: What page do you have in mind?

The simplest way to make a page is to go to the wiki main page, and at the end of the url in the url bar, type in the name of the article: i.e:

ostan-collections.net/wiki/article
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Chocofreak13 on May 30, 2011, 12:58:03 am
@bella: http://memory-alpha.org/wiki/J.M._Colt
says that one of the names for one of the original crew members was Mia. i think that suits OS/2, don't you? :3 (only helps that there's a badass video game character named Mia.)

@aurora: i think stacy would work, even if there's already a stacy there, especially since one is obscure. isn't there more than one stacy in real life? (it'd be creepy if there wasn't.)
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Aurora Borealis on May 30, 2011, 03:37:30 pm
I've been on a roll today, adding a lot onto OS/360-tan's article (http://ostan-collections.net/wiki/OS/360), and just created BOS/360-tan's (http://ostan-collections.net/wiki/BOS/360).

OS/360 also appeared in one of Bella's stories of Leopard-tan's time-travel, are there others details I can add in to the article from those stories?

EDIT: Forgot to add this, but also started on the history section of the Commodore Family (http://ostan-collections.net/wiki/Commodore_Family).
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Chocofreak13 on May 30, 2011, 03:49:52 pm
looks good, aurora-san. :3 and i feel bad for BOS, what a crappy existence that must have been. :\
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Aurora Borealis on May 30, 2011, 04:17:14 pm
Thanks! BOS-tan had a crappy and nihilistic existence, but her twin sister was even worse off. TOS-tan was full-blown Ax Crazy! o_o
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Chocofreak13 on May 30, 2011, 04:57:04 pm
there's a difference between being crazy and being miserable. :\ BOS probably had it worse, since she had extremely little purpose in life. :\
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Aurora Borealis on May 30, 2011, 05:02:29 pm
Yeah, I think you're right, and TOS had the same fate as BOS, but BOS may have been more aware of it.
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Chocofreak13 on May 30, 2011, 09:43:16 pm
oh, really? well then, i'd be more willing to agree with you (but ignorance is bliss, after all).

aurora-san, it should be noted that under the "canon-tan" section of the wiki, 98 and SE's page is still merged. :\ i'd suggest a deletion of the fused page and linking them to their own? :\
and if we could, could we split 98-kun and SE-kun's article? there's specific information on one that doesn't belong with the other. :\

i'm doing a few minor updates on the 98-tans' articles, though you covered pretty much everything in your revisions, aurora. but i'm gonna look through the gallery at some of SE's pictures, since you listed her with a costume similar to her sister's, and i don't think that's the case. :\
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Aurora Borealis on May 30, 2011, 09:56:36 pm
Oops. I changed the links to the split articles in the other sections, but overlooked that one, but I just changed it.

Looks that part of the description of 98 and 98SE having similar costumes was from an old revision and needed to be changed.

I remember seeing at least one pic of another OS-tan trying to enter 98's or 98SE's mech box and it ended up falling apart. Do you have any of those?
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Chocofreak13 on May 30, 2011, 10:50:20 pm
seen 2 comics of that in the gallery, i'll try to find them. :3
oh, and i found that comic i was telling you about last time:
http://iitran.secchan.net/img/src/1126368953819.png
if possible, please don't upload it; i was going to save it and i'll forget to delete it if you do. :\
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Aurora Borealis on May 30, 2011, 11:23:44 pm
Excellent! I'll wait for you to upload them.
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Chocofreak13 on May 30, 2011, 11:28:53 pm
you can reference it on SE's article if you'd like. it's gonna be awhile before anything gets uploaded. ^^;
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Aurora Borealis on June 01, 2011, 10:10:17 pm
Updates:

*added more info on Pilot OS-tan's article: http://ostan-collections.net/wiki/PilotOS (http://ostan-collections.net/wiki/PilotOS)
*tagged more articles that need expanding: http://ostan-collections.net/wiki/index.php?title=Category:Articles_needing_expanding&action=edit&redlink=1 (http://ostan-collections.net/wiki/index.php?title=Category:Articles_needing_expanding&action=edit&redlink=1)
*created a quick draft of Rainbow 100-tan's article: http://ostan-collections.net/wiki/Rainbow_100 (http://ostan-collections.net/wiki/Rainbow_100)
*added more names on the OS-tan human names article.

Does anyone like the proposed idea of adding more details in the infobox? I proposed adding human names and weapon of choice. Other possible things?
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Chocofreak13 on June 01, 2011, 10:52:32 pm
maybe rivals or enemies? such as 95-tan would have "the apple house" and maybe "system 7.5-tan" listed. :3 (SE could have "all male genitalia" xDD)
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Aurora Borealis on June 01, 2011, 11:11:15 pm
Bwahahaha! That could work!

A few enemies I can think of off the top of my head:

SAGE: Birds, UNIX
VMS: malicious hackers and skiddies, used to consider the Unixes enemies.
PCDOS: 4K (a malware-tan, not all that dangerous but is very annoying)
OS/2: The Windows-tans except for 1.0 and 2.0
Apple II: Festering Hate (an extremely destructive malware-tan)
Mac System 1: The command line tyranny!
Mac System 6: ANTI, WDEF, the OSX-kuns (lol perverted catmen)
Barbie Linux: Anyone who rejects her!
Slackware: Those UNIX-haters!
Windows ME: The BSOD
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Chocofreak13 on June 02, 2011, 12:16:51 am
see? perfect! ^^

btw, did you seperate the 98-kun and SE-kun threads? if so, i'll write those up tomorrow. :3
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Aurora Borealis on June 02, 2011, 12:24:17 am
I haven't got to that yet, but I will.

EDIT: Updated Mac-tan's article (http://ostan-collections.net/wiki/MacOS) with pictures and some additional details. Next up I'll split 98-kun's and 98SE-kun's articles.

Got them split!
*http://ostan-collections.net/wiki/View_All#OS-Kuns (http://ostan-collections.net/wiki/View_All#OS-Kuns)
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Bella on June 02, 2011, 12:34:31 am
@SAGE's enemies: You forgot SABRE, the US military in general, the Missile-tans, Soviets, just about every post-1960s OS-tan and herself. o__o;;;
SCO Unix: The Linuxes
Slackware: Anyone who dares dishonor the Unix-tans or their glorious heritage.
Snow Leopard: Unix, Linux, OSX Lion
Whirlwind: The US Navy and Air Force, for firing her and stealing her firstborn respectively.
Harvard Mark I: The Navy - again, for child-theft - and IBM, for reasons even she isn't sure of.
PDP-1: The IBM mainframe-tans.
Emacs: Vi
Vi: Emacs

All this hate makes me sad...

...we should list OS-tan ships. Canon and speculative. :o
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Aurora Borealis on June 02, 2011, 12:39:04 am
@Bella: Why does Snow Leopard hate Unix and Linux? I thought she was glad to be a certified Unix! OSX Lion, I totally understand though, since she's threatening the family stability of the Mac House.

I'm not good at shipping. :(

EDIT: Here's the latest version of the infobox. How does it look?

*http://ostan-collections.net/wiki/Template:OSinfobox (http://ostan-collections.net/wiki/Template:OSinfobox)
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Bella on June 02, 2011, 12:57:49 am
Quote from: Aurora Borealis on June 02, 2011, 12:39:04 am
@Bella: Why does Snow Leopard hate Unix and Linux? I thought she was glad to be a certified Unix! OSX Lion, I totally understand though, since she's threatening the family stability of the Mac House.

I'm not good at shipping. :(


We don't know why Snow Leopard and Linux don't get along; it's just one of those things that is, because of clashing personalities or some such. -v-

(Snow) Leopard grows to resent Unix-sama after discovering -SPOILER ALERT- that she is essentially Unix-sama's puppet, that her admission into the Unix family was mostly to butter her up so she'd be more willing to comply with Unix-sama's machinations, and that even her Time Machine was the doing of Ma Bell Labs... years of living with this knowledge drives her to the brink and she eventually isolates herself at a distant point in time (wherein she matures into her Snow Leopard self), until she one day makes a trip to her home time - 2008 - and accidentally loses her time machine, which gets picked up by her past self [Leopard-tan] and starts the whole cycle. Being stranded in the 21st Century - and forced to withstand Unix's interference ONCE AGAIN - ramps up the hate levels to yet-unseen proportions.

Surely thou have some ships, dear Aurora-san - but even if you don't, I have MORE than enough to keep these waters occupied. :3
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Aurora Borealis on June 02, 2011, 01:04:21 am
Why did Unix have to be such a manipulative bitch towards (Snow) Leopard-tan? And to think that Unix was starting to become nicer in recent years? I'm having a What The Hell Hero moment here.
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Bella on June 02, 2011, 01:38:25 am
Remember your gray-and-gray morality... Unix acted with no ill intentions, and she did what she did to monitor the progress - and ensure the survival - of the Unix race.

Leopard wanted nothing more than to be able to time travel.

Unix knew this. She also knew that somebody who could perform intertemporal reconnaissance for her would be EXTREMELY useful - and Leopard's background/areas of knowledge made her one of the few people (if not the only person) who could time travel without going completely insane. Hell, she even did most of the research needed to make the Time Machine, Unix just sort of "put it all together" in the end.

So Unix gave Leopard inclusion in her family and the ability to time travel in exchange for Leopard's help. Even if Leopard didn't know what or who she was helping - or even that she was on a mission from Unix - most of the time. Some of the things she witnessed/endured in the past and future in made her resent the ability to time travel eventually, so when she found out Unix was behind it (more or less) she naturally turned her animosity toward her.
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Aurora Borealis on June 02, 2011, 01:49:06 am
That makes sense. I didn't think of it as a survival issue, since after all, Unix has many, many descendants! It's not like they're going to die off soon... Unless Unix needed Leopard's help during the Unix Wars, when their survival really was threatened.
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: NejinOniwa on June 02, 2011, 08:15:12 am
Let's not mention the role Unix has in Leopard's present predicament, either...lest the thread become filled with hate, rage, and more rage. -w-;
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Bella on June 02, 2011, 02:16:05 pm
Quote from: NejinOniwa on June 02, 2011, 08:15:12 am
Let's not mention the role Unix has in Leopard's present predicament, either...lest the thread become filled with hate, rage, and more rage. -w-;


I read those "g's" as "p's", damn you. >___>

We don't know *when* exactly in the past/future Unix sent Leopard on various missions, but it's possible some of them had to do with the Unix Wars... or maybe Unix sent her into the future to see if she should eventually give Linux leadership over the family. (This might account for the Linux hate, if you think about it...)
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Chocofreak13 on June 02, 2011, 02:19:22 pm
i'd think the imb thread would be the place to discuss this sort of thing. :\

new infobox looks good, aurora. :3 and great to hear that they're split! ^^ i'll start on their article right away. ^^
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Aurora Borealis on June 02, 2011, 02:21:01 pm
Back on-topic (though I'd like to continue the discussion, how about in the character development thread? There's stuff I'm looking for input on there too), do you all like the new additions to the infobox?

@Choco: I saw your new post when I was about to submit this! ahahahaha! Glad you like the infobox, and I'll be looking forward to their articles. Quite frankly, I don't know anything about those two characters.
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Chocofreak13 on June 02, 2011, 02:58:27 pm
i'm not sure how, but i know alot about the os-kuns and canon relationships (it's annoying that you guys shorten it to "ships", i get all confused ><; ). it might be because of the info i got from soul-reply a long time ago. :3
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Aurora Borealis on June 02, 2011, 03:00:04 pm
Okay. Should their be a page on canon relationships, or should they be mentioned for each character in their articles?
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Chocofreak13 on June 02, 2011, 03:09:20 pm
i'd rather mention them in their articles, but at request i'd be willing to draw up a "who likes who" chart, and we could link to that image. :\
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Aurora Borealis on June 02, 2011, 03:11:27 pm
I think that sounds like the better option.
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Chocofreak13 on June 02, 2011, 03:18:39 pm
kk. i'll try to get around to it. (but i'm only gonna do the canon ones, since the ones we've made are too numerous to chart. *__*;; )
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Kiso on June 02, 2011, 04:31:08 pm
So... apparently you decided to change the template and created a new one, but then decided to turn it back to the old one and just modified it. OK... I'd suggest you try aligning the images to the center of the cell space. At least then it doesn't look somewhat weird looking at the info boxes. Alternative could to use images with wide aspect ratio... but then that would make you do the same work twice (at least for the ones changed already.

And I see that the Windows Vista article is quite developed... even with images! Cool! I guess the same could be done for 7, since Futaba seems to have no real care for Nanami (although they should, she's really moe).
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Chocofreak13 on June 02, 2011, 04:48:51 pm
umm......go read the 7 article. i wrote it myself. :\
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Kiso on June 02, 2011, 05:18:38 pm
No no... with the image thingies... I need to be more specific with these things. lol

I do like your article, although a second read made me wonder why were the Bing girls placed there. Then I shrugged it off because of I remember the Windows 7 themes they had for them. Wonder if anyone ever got them all I sure didn't. MS should do that promo again with the bing girl, although more permanent this time.
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Chocofreak13 on June 02, 2011, 06:32:45 pm
i have all of them, as well as a few themes i made myself. lemme know if you want them.

i put them in with the 7-tan article because since there were so many already, and they were made specifically for windows 7 (one is even named nanami), that it felt appropriate (since i wanted them to be included, too).
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Kiso on June 02, 2011, 07:18:11 pm
I do want them themes... I need I do.

As for the Bing girls, I guess you could keep them there or make them part of the site tans... like Google-tan. At least then they could be used as independent characters for the collective Microsoft family. Would serve for a better show of how much the family has "branched out". Just saying.

Hmm... would that be a topic of discussion for the storylines thing or something?
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Chocofreak13 on June 02, 2011, 07:38:49 pm
well, bing is owned by microsoft, so it feels like they belong better where they are. besides, while google is associated with everyone, the bing girls are only associated with windows 7 (barely even that).
and the topic fits here, so long as we don't start discussing HOW they're connected. that could derail quickly. :\
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Kiso on June 02, 2011, 07:56:46 pm
Actually, that may not be entirely true...

MS and Verizon Wireless have a deal to use Bing as the default search engine, Facebook is alson in some kind of deal with Bing. RIM also is integrating Bing into their devices. Even Nokia had a deal for Bing in Symbian before they went and changed to focus on Windows Phone. When it comes to some of their products, Microsoft wouldn't actually mind providing them to the competition if that means getting to make a profit. For a group bent on "locking in" customers, they're quite open bunch.
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Chocofreak13 on June 02, 2011, 08:15:10 pm
i meant THE CHARACTERS, NOT the program. ><; NEVER the program. the characters themselves were released for windows 7, which is why they're there.

moving on, gonna start on the os-kun articles i promised. :3
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Aurora Borealis on June 02, 2011, 09:09:18 pm
@Kiso: I hope you don't mind the changes I made to the infobox. I wanted to get the images centered, but I don't know how to do that.
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Chocofreak13 on June 02, 2011, 10:54:10 pm
either way, the more info they have, the better, so change was needed. :3
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Kiso on June 03, 2011, 04:44:53 pm
@Aurora: I really don't mind any changes at all. The purpose of the template is just that, to add/change the layout if you want to change the looks of tables. It is a good idea to have a mock-up template that's not use by other boards to have the changed worked out before implementing in the final template. Then it's just a matter of updating templates that have the missing/changed info.

As for the image thing, you need to use CSS code to align the contents of the cell to the center. I haven't typed up HTML code in a while (3D modeling's been a bitch to me), but I think I can fix that issue... if I could ever log back into the wiki. Do I still even have wiki privileges even? lol
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Aurora Borealis on June 03, 2011, 04:52:54 pm
Because of the forum migration around the new year, wiki editors need to re-apply for editing privileges.

See this thread to apply: http://ostan-collections.net/forum/index.php/topic,1410.0.html (http://ostan-collections.net/forum/index.php/topic,1410.0.html)
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Kiso on June 03, 2011, 05:03:45 pm
I knew there was something useful that I missed through the first half of the year. And now it all makes sense to moi. Thanks for the help... off to try and get that darn image to center align! :D

EDIT: There! Fixed!
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Aurora Borealis on June 03, 2011, 05:33:15 pm
Great! It looks better! :D

Some more updates:
*http://ostan-collections.net/wiki/Xenix (http://ostan-collections.net/wiki/Xenix): Added more detail, mainly to her backstory. *hint* There's a downer ending.*hint*

*http://ostan-collections.net/wiki/Amiga (http://ostan-collections.net/wiki/Amiga):Expanded on sections, will add backstory section and pictures later.

*http://ostan-collections.net/wiki/GS/OS (http://ostan-collections.net/wiki/GS/OS):Started adding character details. Before that, just the infobox was up.
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Kiso on June 03, 2011, 06:12:09 pm
Now that this is out of the way, I have the need to ask...

Why do we keep a separate list of canon OS-tans? I don't have any issues with it, but I really am curious to know why have it. I think we had a conversation of this before, but I really don't remember what it was exactly and the thread about it is really big (too big to find stuff in it).

Also, we need to make them list for the various ~kuns... I guess I can get to that....
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Aurora Borealis on June 03, 2011, 07:04:08 pm
I don't know exactly, but I think it's to show we still acknowledge the OS-tan canon, even with all the expanded and alternate universe interpretations made here.
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Kiso on June 03, 2011, 07:14:44 pm
Oh... that makes sense. I guess none of the other tans will ever get to be featured on that list then, considering no one ever agreed to follow just one thing. People and disagreements.. they go hand in hand.

And I heard people were starting to make gijinka for Windows 8... so here we go again...
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: NejinOniwa on June 03, 2011, 07:16:56 pm
Essentially...

Pretty much all "facts" on the wiki (eg not theories and overlappances) and the various things worked on in the theory and world threads on the boards here, are /OSC/'s Canon. The "original" - or as I propose we call it, Nijiura Canon, on the other hand - depending on how hard your definition is - is pretty much what was here 5 years ago; raw imports of japanese works, with all their varying interpretations and patchwork facto.

I prefer ours over the old any day, if only for the fact that it makes some sense.
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Chocofreak13 on June 03, 2011, 07:20:18 pm
i find it better to keep the line, because we didn't make the 'canon' ones, and that should be known. :\ (we can't take credit for nijiura's work, so it's better to keep the distinction.)

also, aurora, do you think we should finish updating the infobox, then start putting it into everyone's articles?

@kiso: not sure if i'm looking forward to that....maybe win 8 will end up like me and vista; i like the character, but hate the OS. :\
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Aurora Borealis on June 03, 2011, 07:23:03 pm
The Futaba/Nijiura canon is confusing, one of the biggest differences is that our canon is all about the OS-tans, while in Futaba's, the OS-tans are just a few of their many many characters from various sources. When we mention the Futaba, or "original" canon here, we're just talking only about the OS-tans as they are portrayed in it.

@Choco: Are there still some things you want to add to the infobox?
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Kiso on June 03, 2011, 08:14:50 pm
@Nejin & Aurora: I guess the consensus here is to "make sense" of them. I look at some of the Japanese designs and I feel like they are more like some guy weird pot fantasy of what he thinks the OS is, and the weirder ones only make me confused at them all. The guys at Nijiura are a bit more controlled than that, since they actually try to keep it as straight as possible (unlike the mess at the uploader site).

So I get from this that we're threading our own path. So I guess I agree with it, at least not to make a mess of it.

@Choco: Well, 8 is going to be MS' tablet push, so I guess most of the decisions made will be centered around that, and I do understand how that would piss off many people, especially if they change how they do stuff too much (like the start screen, which I correctly predicted/expected Windows 8 would have). As for the character... I think I saw one and I don't like it. Although I might be mistaken... hopefully.

Makes me want to go back into the mess of drawing one myself just for "rendering thoughts" sake and see if the Japanese lean towards something similar.

OT: The infobox hasn't been finished yet? I thought it was when I looked at it. I guess you want to add items to it?
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Aurora Borealis on June 03, 2011, 08:19:20 pm
I'm able to make sense of some of the Futaba designs for Vista and 7, but many more of them don't make sense to me.

I like the infobox as it is, since I'm not sure what else to add. Any suggestions?
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Aurora Borealis on June 26, 2011, 12:03:51 am
I'm on another editing spree, this time focusing on the Linux-tans, mainly looking for what branch each distro-tan is from.

So far, I've:

Updated:
*http://ostan-collections.net/wiki/Ubuntu (http://ostan-collections.net/wiki/Ubuntu)
*http://ostan-collections.net/wiki/Damn_Small_Linux (http://ostan-collections.net/wiki/Damn_Small_Linux)

Created:
*http://ostan-collections.net/wiki/EvilEntity (http://ostan-collections.net/wiki/EvilEntity)
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Bella on June 26, 2011, 12:14:22 am
Good work, Aurora-san!

I'm sorry to say that I haven't done much by the way of wiki editing lately, though I am hoping to expand character backstory and present various theories about the OS-taneverse in my writings... .w.;
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Aurora Borealis on June 26, 2011, 12:20:26 am
I'd like to write more OS-tan stories. I have three planned at once, two of which I've showed the first part of,  but don't feel like I have the time to work on them.
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Aurora Borealis on July 16, 2011, 12:26:18 am
I added some more details into SAGE's and VMS's articles:

*http://ostan-collections.net/wiki/SAGE (http://ostan-collections.net/wiki/SAGE): Added info on her relations with her family, and also made a header for her relations with others, such as her hatred of UNIX ,her disdain of the microcomputers, and her relationships to FASTRAND and IBM 728 (?), but haven't added those in because I don't know where to start with that. x_x

I'd like to know when did SAGE and UNIX start hating each other, and while in service, were there other mainframe-tans that SAGE was rivals with?

*http://ostan-collections.net/wiki/VMS (http://ostan-collections.net/wiki/VMS): Mainly added headers to the history section, next up I'm planning on working on a section about her relationships with her family, including NT and NT's kids.

Currently I'm expanding on Rainbow 100's article.
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Bella on July 16, 2011, 02:49:32 am
Quote from: Aurora Borealis on July 16, 2011, 12:26:18 am
*http://ostan-collections.net/wiki/SAGE (http://ostan-collections.net/wiki/SAGE): Added info on her relations with her family, and also made a header for her relations with others, such as her hatred of UNIX ,her disdain of the microcomputers, and her relationships to FASTRAND and IBM 728 (?), but haven't added those in because I don't know where to start with that. x_x

I'd like to know when did SAGE and UNIX start hating each other, and while in service, were there other mainframe-tans that SAGE was rivals with?


I would also like to know more about SAGE's relationship with FASTRAND and IBM 728. Since they are endlessly fascinating.

I think SAGE was wholly above being rivals with anyone or anything. Being the biggest, powerfulest, potentially nuclear-armedest, legion of radar and interceptor craft havingest, expensivest, IBM propellingest military project of all time and all.
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Aurora Borealis on July 18, 2011, 11:53:27 pm
That sounds right. Should I add that to her article?

I just got started on the draft for LINC's article:

*http://ostan-collections.net/wiki/LINC (http://ostan-collections.net/wiki/LINC)

EDIT: Also overhauling QNX's article:

*http://ostan-collections.net/wiki/QNX (http://ostan-collections.net/wiki/QNX): A WIP, but at least the info that's up is current!
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Chocofreak13 on July 19, 2011, 12:16:10 am
it all looks good, aurora-sama. -w- as for the infobox, let's not think about it anymore, since there's so much in it already. @__@;

as for the canon, i usually relate that the more art a particular depiction has, the more canon it is. combine that with japan ≥ US and first come first served, and you get my formula for canon:
date of creation + amount of art ÷ japan/US = canon (all this math is strictly symbolic).
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Bella on July 19, 2011, 01:07:52 am
Yo Aurora

How do the edit the new info boxes? In the edit screen, all I see is the old info box info.... like so....

"{{OSinfobox
|tanname=Unix-sama
|image=
|cname= Unix-sama
|alias= Bell Labs Unix, UNIX, fka Unics
|creator= C-Chan
|debut= Preconcept, February 2007; finished, September 2007

|osper= (Bell Labs) Unix
|osdev= Bell Labs, ATT
|reldate= Summer 1969
|lastrel= Unknown (mid-1970s?)

|fnote "
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Aurora Borealis on July 19, 2011, 01:18:53 am
It's kind of tedious since some sections were dropped while others were added, but you need to replace or match each line to what's in the current template:

*http://ostan-collections.net/wiki/Template:OSinfobox (http://ostan-collections.net/wiki/Template:OSinfobox)

For example:

{{OSinfobox
|image =

|cname = Bell Labs Unix
|alias = UNIX, Unix-sama, UNICS
|hname = Eunice Bell
|debut = Feb 2007 (preconcept), Sep 2007 (finished)
|height = 153 cm (5'0")
|haircolor= purple
|eyecolor= blue
|weapon = metal staff, mainly wields fire magic
|apfaction = [[Linux Unix Consortium]]
|lineage= Unix (matriarch/founder)
|rival= GECOS, Multics (formerly), SAGE, (uhh... many others.)

|osper = (Bell Labs) Unix
|osdev = Bell Labs, ATT
|reldate = Summer 1969
|lastrel = unknown (mid 1970's?)
}}


Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Aurora Borealis on July 26, 2011, 12:17:58 am
Created two new (stub) articles:

*http://ostan-collections.net/wiki/ENIAC (http://ostan-collections.net/wiki/ENIAC)

*http://ostan-collections.net/wiki/BUIC (http://ostan-collections.net/wiki/BUIC)

To the mainframe experts here (you know who you are!), I could use some input for these.
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: stewartsage on July 27, 2011, 10:39:08 pm
*thumbs up*

What do you need to know about BUIC?
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Aurora Borealis on July 27, 2011, 10:54:05 pm
I just wanted to know if there are other details I could add, mainly more about her history and background.
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: stewartsage on July 28, 2011, 07:44:47 pm
I think you've got just about everything that's currently public record at the moment; she's fond of snowshoeing if that's something worth adding.
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: NejinOniwa on July 29, 2011, 12:12:39 am
A few details about a veteran...
[spoiler]OpenVMS. Can't speak or understand Russian (decwindows' Russki release was dropped in 2001), and is quite hotheaded and gets frustrated when people are being vague. Is very well-informed on military trivia.[/spoiler]

It is relevant to the topic...@hand.
>:3
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Bella on July 29, 2011, 12:16:05 am
Quote from: stewartsage on July 28, 2011, 07:44:47 pm
I think you've got just about everything that's currently public record at the moment; she's fond of snowshoeing if that's something worth adding.


Snowshoeing!!!!!

Quote from: NejinOniwa on July 29, 2011, 12:12:39 am
A few details about a veteran...
[spoiler]OpenVMS. Can't speak or understand Russian (decwindows' Russki release was dropped in 2001), and is quite hotheaded and gets frustrated when people are being vague. Is very well-informed on military trivia.[/spoiler]

It is relevant to the topic...@hand.
>:3


Wrong. Very much so. At least if we're talking my story canon's OpenVMS....... you're free to make whatever changes to her personality in your storyline though.
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: NejinOniwa on July 29, 2011, 12:27:47 am
The language part I checked, so that much should be correct. As for her personality, I worded that a bit wrongly. The military trivia thing was just random, but the storyline demanded it; and I'd think it quite natural for a woman owning and living on damned warships to be quite up to date on things in that area of interest.
Let me rephrase: She gets frustrated when people are being vague and withholding information from her, though she usually is able to hold it in quite well. In this case she had just received a bearpunch to the face and gotten very pwnt so she was a bit...upset to start with. ^^
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Bella on August 04, 2011, 09:29:46 pm
Ah, yes, when you phrase it that way it makes more sense. ^^;

Relevant to the wiki thread? I've made chibis for BUIC and IBM 728:

(http://th05.deviantart.net/fs70/PRE/i/2011/215/0/e/buic_and_ibm_728_chibis_by_bellacielo-d44b9wr.png)

And Univac 1050-II and FASTRAND:

(http://th01.deviantart.net/fs71/PRE/i/2011/216/1/5/u1050_ii_and_fastrand_chibis_by_bellacielo-d45ha2a.png)
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Aurora Borealis on August 04, 2011, 10:02:39 pm
Those are adorable! BUIC has such cool eyes! *_*

I'll need a refresher on who the other characters are, because many of those hardware-tans/-kuns are hard for me to keep track of. x_x
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Bella on August 05, 2011, 03:46:10 pm
Quote from: Aurora Borealis on August 04, 2011, 10:02:39 pm
Those are adorable! BUIC has such cool eyes! *_*

I'll need a refresher on who the other characters are, because many of those hardware-tans/-kuns are hard for me to keep track of. x_x


BUIC has the same eyes as her mom... well, not IDENTICAL, but SAGE's look similar to hers. -w-

IBM 728-kun (aka Ivan) is SAGE's personal assistant/bodyguard/memory system. He and SAGE loved each other in a totally platonic way, sorta like siblings. He's cheerless, no-nonsense and very tough, and word of god says he's way more Massachusettsy than SAGE ever was (whatever that means). He died back in 1983, taking a substantial portion of SAGE's working memory/sanity with him.

Univac 1050-II-tan was in inventory control with the US Air Force. One of SAGE's friends, not a lot has been published about her. Ask Stew.

FASTRAND-kun was U1050-II's memory drum system, making him the metaphorical IBM 728 to U1050-tan's SAGE. Unlike 728-kun, however, FASTRAND is quite lively and has a naturally commanding presence. He's very tall, heavyset and loud (alluding to the enormous size and noisiness of the actual FASTRAND memory drum). Probably has a good sense of humor and may be a completely rad dude. Had an on-and-off romantic relationship with SAGE-tan during the 60s(?) and/or 70s and a rivalrous friendship with 728-kun.
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Bella on August 06, 2011, 04:38:44 pm
DOUBLEPOSTA:

(http://th01.deviantart.net/fs71/PRE/i/2011/218/9/1/eniac_and_colossus_tan_by_bellacielo-d45nyd4.png)

Itttttttttttttt's ENIAC!

And, why I say guvna, it's Colossus, the Manly British Codebreaker... Giant... Lady... who I don't really like on account of trying to kill Linux-tan, even though I don't really like Linux-tan all that much. At least in concept.  Then again, without her help we wouldn't have gotten any Linux x Ruka les yay, which was awesome.
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: NejinOniwa on August 06, 2011, 04:45:52 pm
ON THAT TOPIC: WE NEED GIANT CHIBIS NOW. >:3
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Bella on August 09, 2011, 11:59:52 pm
Relevant to the Wiki thread: Map of OS-tan Origins? (http://img594.imageshack.us/img594/8707/tanmap.png)
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Aurora Borealis on August 10, 2011, 01:25:25 am
Very interesting! It's impressive and sad to see such geographical disparity, but seeing that most states don't have any known systems from them, I don't feel like I'm from such a backwater place anymore! :D
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Bella on August 10, 2011, 03:46:27 pm
Quote from: Aurora Borealis on August 10, 2011, 01:25:25 am
Very interesting! It's impressive and sad to see such geographical disparity, but seeing that most states don't have any known systems from them, I don't feel like I'm from such a backwater place anymore! :D


Huzzah!

I find it amusing that while we both hail from states that only have a few known native computer systems, we have neighboring states that are home to many many more. ^^;;
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Aurora Borealis on August 10, 2011, 04:03:50 pm
I forgot to comment on the new chibis, but is that a complete redesign of ENIAC-sama, or did she have her hair cut short as part of the military dress code? That design looks good too, though I really like the elaborateness and ancientness of your concept design.
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Bella on August 10, 2011, 04:19:25 pm
Quote from: Aurora Borealis on August 10, 2011, 04:03:50 pm
I forgot to comment on the new chibis, but is that a complete redesign of ENIAC-sama, or did she have her hair cut short as part of the military dress code? That design looks good too, though I really like the elaborateness and ancientness of your concept design.


I was just being a lazybum and didn't want to draw her in her normal attire. x_x

So I suppose this drawing represents a what-if scenario. ^^;
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: NejinOniwa on August 10, 2011, 04:49:39 pm
VERY GOOD, MAH BOI. BUT: I FIND THIS LACK OF EUROPE DISTURBING. PLZ PROVIDE.

-W-;
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Penti-chan on August 10, 2011, 05:01:59 pm
I'm in the state that eComStation is developed in? I never knew that...
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: stewartsage on August 10, 2011, 07:24:50 pm
And TX10!  Get excited!
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Bella on August 10, 2011, 07:26:17 pm
Quote from: NejinOniwa on August 10, 2011, 04:49:39 pm
VERY GOOD, MAH BOI. BUT: I FIND THIS LACK OF EUROPE DISTURBING. PLZ PROVIDE.

-W-;


BUT I KNOW SO LITTLE ABOUT EUROPEAN -TANS.

MAYBE LATER I WILL.
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Aurora Borealis on August 10, 2011, 10:22:39 pm
Some other American systems: IMSAI 8080, VisiOn, Tiny OS, Linspire and Freespire (all from California), Altair (New Mexico), PCLOS (Texas), Haiku (New York)

The European systems I know of:

Denmark: Fried Chicken Linux

Finland: GNU/Linux, MenuetOS

France: Mandriva/Mageia

Germany: SuSE Linux, SAM Linux, Stress Linux, Knoppix

Italy: Sabayon Linux

Spain: Plan B, Octopus, nix (an offshoot of Octopus and Plan B)

Sweden: Contiki, BESK, SARA, SMIL

Switzerland: Bluebottle, Oberon

Russia: PTS-DOS, KolibriOS (?), Elektronica-tans, Mertvaya Ruka

UK: Sinclair-tans (ZX81, Spectrum, QL), Acorn-tans (RISC OS, Arthur, ARX, PANOS, BBC Micro), Manchester Mark I, Colossus, TripOS, DexOS
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: stewartsage on August 10, 2011, 10:57:08 pm
USSR/Russia: BESM

UK: AMSDOS, MONIAC

Norway: SINTRAN, PED
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Bella on August 10, 2011, 11:29:27 pm
Thanks you guys. ^^

Some other British -tans: OpenVME, WITCH
Russians: Setun (aka The Only Tertiary Computer in the World), Vector-06C
Dutch: Minix, Minix vmd

Quote from: Aurora Borealis on August 10, 2011, 10:22:39 pmFinland: GNU/Linux, MenuetOS


But remember..... GNU/Linux did not originate in Finland. Linux-the-kernel did, but GNU - the actual operating system/upper-end portion of it - was out of Cambridge, Mass.

So yes, Linux is Finnish, but GNU/Linux is at least half-American... however you'd explain that in OS-tan terms.
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: stewartsage on August 12, 2011, 08:24:53 pm
God damnit, I forgot OpenVME!
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Bella on August 12, 2011, 08:33:25 pm
Quote from: stewartsage on August 12, 2011, 08:24:53 pm
God damnit, I forgot OpenVME!


Yes you did.


On that note.... where the hell IS Wimmex-tan from? Or does she transcend all state and national borders? -w-;;
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: stewartsage on August 12, 2011, 11:29:22 pm
Wimex is an American you communist loving New Englander.
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Bella on August 12, 2011, 11:34:11 pm
Quote from: stewartsage on August 12, 2011, 11:29:22 pm
Wimex is an American you communist loving New Englander.


B-b-but what part of America is she from?

Considering that it used parts from all over, I don't know if she can even be assigned a regionality....
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Aurora Borealis on August 13, 2011, 12:04:18 am
I see you made some edits in the wiki today! Excellent! :)

I need to get back to editing too.
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: stewartsage on August 13, 2011, 12:05:02 am
That's why I said she was American; she's a military brat, without really a single home.  I'd say she probably considers DC just as much a home as anywhere else.
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Bella on August 13, 2011, 03:05:53 pm
Quote from: Aurora Borealis on August 13, 2011, 12:04:18 am
I see you made some edits in the wiki today! Excellent! :)

I need to get back to editing too.


Just a bit. ^^; Since I felt like it.


Quote from: stewartsage on August 13, 2011, 12:05:02 am
That's why I said she was American; she's a military brat, without really a single home.  I'd say she probably considers DC just as much a home as anywhere else.


That's what I thought... DC ftw!
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Kiso on August 13, 2011, 10:58:06 pm
Mil-tans? I guess you can call them that.
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Bella on August 14, 2011, 02:34:21 pm
Quote from: Kiso on August 13, 2011, 10:58:06 pm
Mil-tans? I guess you can call them that.


Mil-tan Burroughs? /Lame reference/pun to 1940s actor/comedian
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Aurora Borealis on August 19, 2011, 11:51:42 pm
Updates: (See Recent Changes)

-Expanded on Amiga's, Slackware's and EvilEntity's articles.
-Created stub articles for MilaX (Damn Small Solaris) and Amstrad CPC.
-Added more details to the OS-tan setting article.

For the OS-tan Setting article (http://ostan-collections.net/wiki/Setting), can anyone give me some more examples?

Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Bella on August 19, 2011, 11:58:56 pm
Quote from: Aurora Borealis on August 19, 2011, 11:51:42 pm
For the OS-tan Setting article (http://ostan-collections.net/wiki/Setting), can anyone give me some more examples?


Can I use examples from various works of OS-tan literature? For instance, the settings purposed in Ruka's story, the SAGE saga.... and the collective OS-tan works that I've written?
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Aurora Borealis on August 20, 2011, 12:03:31 am
Sure! :D

When possible, I'd also like for there to be articles for each story to keep track of them all, but that's more of a long-term wiki goal.
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Chocofreak13 on August 20, 2011, 12:22:37 am
i drew up some diagrams of the windows compound, if you're interested in that. i'm planning on drawing up the mac's compound as well, but for now i have the windows' house. :\
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Aurora Borealis on August 20, 2011, 12:25:26 am
Cool! I'd like to see it!
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Chocofreak13 on August 20, 2011, 12:27:32 am
should i ink it? i typically ink reference pages when i use them for a long period of time, but i usually wait till they start to smudge, lol.
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Aurora Borealis on August 27, 2011, 05:16:08 pm
I see that Bella has done some more editing to the Setting page. Great job explaining the differences in the continuities! I added my two cents to the article, since I still follow the Annex Project, or rather a continuation of it that takes middle-ground approaches. Thought I'd try and explain that.

More about the middle-ground, I remember when we were all conjecturing about the OS-tan setting, there was someone who bridged the gap between the fantasy cyberpunk world/Annex Project and the real-world interpretations. I can't remember the details, but it was something about the OS-tans co-existing in both worlds, that they mainly live in the real world but can use certain code to enter the fantasy cyberpunk world to gather into their factions.
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: NejinOniwa on August 27, 2011, 06:05:52 pm
Added the Necromancy item under Life and Death.
http://ostan-collections.net/wiki/Life_and_Death#Necromancy
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Chocofreak13 on August 27, 2011, 07:57:14 pm
Quote from: Aurora Borealis on August 27, 2011, 05:16:08 pm
I can't remember the details, but it was something about the OS-tans co-existing in both worlds, that they mainly live in the real world but can use certain code to enter the fantasy cyberpunk world to gather into their factions.


maybe it's time to revive the theory thread? or should i just repost again and make another wall-o-text? (that seems to be my specialty sometimes, lol.)

that said, i'll make myself a note to scan the windows house specs i made.
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Aurora Borealis on October 02, 2011, 03:34:07 pm
Any ideas for how to prettify the wiki? Even better if the final product can be a collaborative effort from the artists and coders here! I can't think of anything at the moment, but I've seen some impressive looking wikis from other fandoms, but ours is still so plain. :-/

Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Bella on October 02, 2011, 04:10:26 pm
I don't think it looks bad, Aurora... rather incomplete, yes, but not bad. My only suggestion is to get pictures up in more character profiles, it bothers me to see nothing there.
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Aurora Borealis on October 08, 2011, 09:58:31 pm
Ok. That's a start.

Did some more editing! I added alternate character interpretation info to SAGE's and CTSS's articles, partially rewrote Plan 9's article, and created SCOPE's article.

EDIT: Here's something I've suggested to make the wiki look less incomplete: in each section of the OS-tan list, instead of having the characters all in a bullet list, have a table for each group, with columns for character name, "class" of OS (i.e: mainframe, home computer, server, general purpose), debut of system, and general roles. May also include the Annex Project avatars, or some quickly-made OS-tan character icons.

For practicality reasons, the List Of All OS-tans page would stay as-is.
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Aurora Borealis on October 09, 2011, 04:31:08 pm
Here's a sample set of mini character icons in the proposed new layout, using various characters:

(http://ostan-collections.net/imeeji/albums/userpics/10307/ostanminiicon_sample1.png)


A DEC-tan, Windows-tan, 2 mainframe-tans, Linux-tan, Commodore-tan, Unix-tan, Classic Mac-tan, and old-school Apple-tan!

For bonus points, find the currently or formerly ax crazy ones! :D
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Bella on October 09, 2011, 04:37:56 pm
OMIGOD, THAT'S SO CUTE~ *_*

(Did you make these using some sort of template? They look like pixel dolls....)

Um, SAGE, Wimmex and ///-tan are the ax crazy ones, no? And maybe System 6?
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Bella on October 09, 2011, 06:41:44 pm
Ah-ha... well it's a nice looking base, I might have to ask for the source so I can make some myself. ('Course, we'll have to coordinate who makes which -tan, so we don't end up with duplicates by accident...)

Quote from: Aurora Borealis on October 09, 2011, 04:44:56 pm
you got four of them right.


Is C65-tan ax crazy? I nearly mentioned her, but wasn't sure so I didn't.

OpenVMS-tan might be perceived as ax crazy, but she actually isn't since she's very mentally-stable and not really dangerous.... unless you happen to be a cracker or something along those lines. -w-;;

QuoteSAGE: of course- she's like the most ax crazy OS-tan!
Wimmex: yes. (out of curiousity, when did that first happen to her?)


SAGE-tan is NUCLEAR crazy. (Potentially.)

As for Wimmex going nuts... I speculate that Wimmex's personality isn't independent, but a construct created by the various OS-tans that were incorporated in her network. From 1963(?) to 1971 she would have had incorporated the personalities of dozens of different OS-tans, but post-1971 her only source of inspiration, so to speak, would have been GECOS-tan. THAT would have been the point at which she went from neurotic, but emotionally-stable, to completely freakin' crazy.

I talked more about it here: http://ostan-collections.net/forum/index.php/topic,1455.msg109724/topicseen.html#msg109724
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Bella on October 09, 2011, 07:50:26 pm
GECOS is the worse influence. @_@;;

The only addition I would make to the info box is adding a "OS Family" or "Family" (since we have a lot of hardware-tans too) section. Examples of families might be Unix (or something specific like BSD or Linux), Windows NT, or on the hardware side, 18- or 36-bit. Just a thought.
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Aurora Borealis on October 09, 2011, 07:57:36 pm
Okay! Sounds good!
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Aurora Borealis on October 16, 2011, 04:35:26 pm
Could you help me with the mainframe and unix sections, (as well as various historical OSes) since I don't remember the technical details for most of them.

In the sandbox, I have the Windows-tans table mostly up, but also need to create a section for the Windows-kuns since they tend to get overlooked.

-----

Made some more icons:

(http://ostan-collections.net/imeeji/albums/userpics/10307/ostanminiicon_sample2.png)

Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Bella on October 16, 2011, 04:47:52 pm
Quote from: Aurora Borealis on October 16, 2011, 04:35:26 pm
Could you help me with the mainframe and unix sections, (as well as various historical OSes) since I don't remember the technical details for most of them.


I'd like to help, but I'm not exactly sure what you're asking. ^^; You'd like me to help on the articles of various mainframe, Unix and historical OS-tans?

QuoteIn the sandbox, I have the Windows-tans table mostly up, but also need to create a section for the Windows-kuns since they tend to get overlooked.

-----

Made some more icons:

(http://ostan-collections.net/imeeji/albums/userpics/10307/ostanminiicon_sample2.png)


Huzzah on both accounts! Oh my gawd, I LURVE Cray-sama and SCOPE-tan here! MS+PC-DOS, EvilEntity and Mac System 3.4-tan are other favorites of mine. ^^
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Aurora Borealis on October 16, 2011, 05:21:26 pm
Thanks! :D

Updates: Looking through more articles to expand on, I added some more info on Plan 9-tan. Also got started on adding info to the Commodore-tans' articles, but I need to go somewhere soon to help a friend pick out a camera, and will get back to this if I still have the time today.
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Bella on October 16, 2011, 05:23:27 pm
Quote from: Aurora Borealis on October 16, 2011, 05:21:26 pm
Updates: Looking through more articles to expand on, I added some more info on Plan 9-tan. Also got started on adding info to the Commodore-tans' articles, but I need to go somewhere soon to help a friend pick out a camera, and will get back to this if I still have the time today.


Kay, I'll see if I can help...
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Aurora Borealis on October 23, 2011, 02:20:46 am
Updates:

*Expanded on VIC-20's article: http://ostan-collections.net/wiki/Commodore_VIC-20 (http://ostan-collections.net/wiki/Commodore_VIC-20)
*Rewrite in progress of C65's article: http://ostan-collections.net/wiki/Commodore_65 (http://ostan-collections.net/wiki/Commodore_65)
*Created Dreamlinux's article: http://ostan-collections.net/wiki/DreamLinux (http://ostan-collections.net/wiki/DreamLinux)
*Minor update to Ubuntu's article: http://ostan-collections.net/wiki/Ubuntu (http://ostan-collections.net/wiki/Ubuntu)
     -I'd also like to add some more possible characterization. I can't help but think that she would have a lot of rivals and be competitive even though she values humanity and unity; it's a nigh-inevitable consequence of becoming one of the most popular and influential Linux-tans in the LUC.

*Added an alternate character interpretation to YellowDog's article: http://ostan-collections.net/wiki/Yellow_Dog_Linux (http://ostan-collections.net/wiki/Yellow_Dog_Linux)
   -Potential yandere, or at least a potential fear of abandonment that came to be? She, or her followers didn't take kindly to PS3-tan abandoning her.

Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Bella on October 24, 2011, 12:30:58 pm
Looks good Aurora. ^^

That sounds about right re: Ubuntu having rivalries. Not to mention all the Linux-tans who think she's something of a sell-out...

YellowDog... a yandere?

What's with all these yandere Linuxes... Dx
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Aurora Borealis on October 29, 2011, 05:13:31 pm
Thanks!

I think Ubuntu's rivals would include: Fedora (second-most popular distro, the two have sort of an arms-race going on), Slackware/Arch/Gentoo (they're more advanced, elite distros who could consider her too 'kiddie'), Crunchbang (no character yet, but Crunchbang used to be Ubuntu-based before switching to a Debian base... So... would she be still be Ubuntu's sister?), and the more paranoid Unices in the LUC who see her popularity as a threat to them. EvilEntity doesn't like that she's a company supported OS, but she left the LUC years ago.

Do you agree with YellowDog being a yandere since the PSN incident? I'm not sure either. She could use some more characterization. :-/

Really, there are a lot of Yandere Linuces? The only other one I know of is Barbie Linux, who's actually a Yangire and not a Yandere.

==Current set of mini OS-tan icons==

As you can see, I'm kind of on a Linux/Unix fix, since Xubuntu has become one of my favorite OSes I've used.

(http://ostan-collections.net/imeeji/albums/userpics/10307/ostanminiicon_sample3.png)


Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Bella on November 04, 2011, 03:08:08 pm
Just wanted to let y'all know I started working on a wiki page for Inferno-tan.
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Penti-chan on November 04, 2011, 07:19:24 pm
I can now edit the wiki, so let me know anything I can help with ^_^

I know of a few Linux distros that lack pages, which I have enough info to get a basic page going
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Aurora Borealis on November 04, 2011, 07:34:01 pm
Excellent work! I'll be looking forward to more! :D
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Bella on November 04, 2011, 08:43:23 pm
Started work on MERT-tan's article, thinking about starting articles for CB Unix and PDP-11 as well.


Welcome aboard Pentium~ ^^
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Aurora Borealis on November 04, 2011, 09:00:02 pm
It looks good! Reading through it, I remember that at some point, you or Stew said that Leopard-tan is one of the few Unixes that is nice to her.

I updated QNX-tan's article with her new characterization. Still haven't gotten to the family and relationships section, but I will mention that she has a love-hate attitude towards Unix.
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Penti-chan on November 04, 2011, 10:20:01 pm
I've started working on the article for RedHat-tan; getting the basics down on the character from the one pic I saw in the gallery, although I've hit a dead end when it comes to the history of the OS itself. I remember it seemed pretty popular in it's time, as I saw it mentioned a lot, but I can't find any info confirming this
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Aurora Borealis on November 04, 2011, 10:45:40 pm
That's just one of the Red Hat-tan designs, and is assumed to be her younger self. Since 2003, she became Red Hat Enterprise-tan, and her most-accepted design here is either Juzo-Kun's design, or an intermediate between hers and the other RH-tan.

Here's her Annex bio to help you out:

Quote
    Name: Red Hat Linux-tan
    aka: Red Hat Enterprise Linux
    Debut: 1994 (Red Hat), 2003 (Red Hat Enterprise)
    Height: 164 cm (~5'4.5")
    Weight: ??kg
    Eye Color: red
    Hair: dark red

    Quick Facts:
        -One of GNU/Linux's eldest daughters.
        -Used to be quiet and timid, but since her new lease on life in 2003, she has become a powerful and confident businesswoman.
        -Still a follower of GNU/Linux's ideals, but has done some questionable business moves, such as adopting eCOS, only to fire her caregivers and destroy her house.
        -Became the businesswoman she did so her younger sister Fedora could have a better role model to live up to than her former self.
        -One of SCO Unix's sworn enemies.
        -Has several descendants of her own, including Mandriva, PCLOS and SAM.
        -Teams up with Fedora on spy missions.
        -Carries a suitcase at nearly all times.
        -Has short red hair with highlights, wears a red fedora, a grey+red business suit, along with a trenchcoat when on missions.



EDIT: I've also updated Altair-tan's article.
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Penti-chan on November 04, 2011, 10:52:57 pm
Ok. I'll add those details later on
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Penti-chan on November 05, 2011, 05:29:50 pm
I added some more of those details to RedHat-tan's page, as well as a picture of her for the infobox. There's still some details from the annex bio I haven't added, but I haven't quite figured out how to work all of it in while still flowing smoothly
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Aurora Borealis on November 06, 2011, 12:19:46 am
It's looking better! I could try and help with the article, but I'm not good at flow or transitioning from one topic to another myself. ^^;

UPDATE: On the List of OS-tans tables in progress in my sandbox page, I started adding mini OS-tan icons! :)

http://ostan-collections.net/wiki/User:Aurora_Borealis/Sandbox (http://ostan-collections.net/wiki/User:Aurora_Borealis/Sandbox)
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Krizonar on November 27, 2011, 12:22:39 am
http://i803.photobucket.com/albums/yy312/CH0Z0/a08b0a83.png

I have been gone far too long.


It is time for me to aimlessly yander about the Mac portion of the wiki.

First, I'd like to point out that Apple III has had a page for a very long time, yet has never been in the list.

Second, why do 6 and 7 not have pages AT ALL anymore?
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Aurora Borealis on November 27, 2011, 12:35:30 am
The old versions of those pages are still there, it's just that the others had redirects from "Mac OS _" to "Macintosh System _", and those two I haven't gotten to rewriting. Sorry about that.

Oops. Also forgot to add Apple III to one of the lists. Each "List of OS-tans" section might not match up with the complete "View All" list. Sometimes I forget to update both.
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Krizonar on November 27, 2011, 12:39:26 am
Alright, I see, on both reasonings.

Two less things for me to worry about I suppose, because I was obviously not up at midnight looking at the OS Tan wiki. Nope.
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Aurora Borealis on November 27, 2011, 12:46:27 am
From the Recent Changes section, it's obvious I can't stay focused on one section or group of characters for too long! I'll have to try again with the Apple-tans section.
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Aurora Borealis on December 11, 2011, 12:37:37 am
Still working on the new OS-tan list tables, this time I got icons for all the early Apple-tans and Classic Mac-tans! :D

http://ostan-collections.net/wiki/User:Aurora_Borealis/Sandbox#Apple-tan_list (http://ostan-collections.net/wiki/User:Aurora_Borealis/Sandbox#Apple-tan_list)

Now to get to work on some pages!

Still on the tables, I'm not completely sure what to put for the 'Class' section, like what type of OS. Among the classes I've listed include: General Purpose, Home, Professional, Server, Mainframe, Mobile and Prototype, as well as what -bit they are. Could some more be added, and are some of them redundant?

EDIT: Created a stub article for OSX Lion-tan, but I need help with it. I can't remember anything about her aside from the fact that she identifies as a Unix OS-tan first and foremost and has quite a few rivals within the Mac House for being such a radical, controversial change.  ???

http://ostan-collections.net/wiki/OSX_Lion (http://ostan-collections.net/wiki/OSX_Lion)
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Bella on December 11, 2011, 02:13:06 pm
The icons look good Aurora!

Quote from: Aurora Borealis on December 11, 2011, 12:37:37 amStill on the tables, I'm not completely sure what to put for the 'Class' section, like what type of OS. Among the classes I've listed include: General Purpose, Home, Professional, Server, Mainframe, Mobile and Prototype, as well as what -bit they are. Could some more be added, and are some of them redundant?


Your ideas for classes seem about right, but I think you might want to get rid of "general purpose", "home" and "professional", and maybe replace them with something like "PC" (for all home and small business-computers, be they Mac, Linux or Windows-based), "workstation" (business computers of the 80s and 90s) and "microcomputer" (since those were a VERY prevalent class of computer in the 60s through 90s). Server, Mainframe and Mobile can stay since those are also types of computer, and Prototype should stay because it can describe a lot of computers and OSes well.
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Aurora Borealis on December 11, 2011, 02:22:03 pm
Okay. I got confused by the distinction between workstations and servers. PC works well enough for those consumer-level OSes, but aren't all consumer-level computers microcomputers, and have been since the 70's?

Can you give me examples of what the workstation OSes are, and the server OSes? That'll come in handy when I get to the other OS-tan sections.

I do also make the distinction between the "home computers"- i.e: Apple II, Commodores, Atari computers; the 8- or 16-bit microcomputers. Not sure if it's necessary, but it's a historical distinction.

Also what about hobbyist OSes (i.e: MenuetOS, KolibriOS, Contiki...), a subgroup of microcomputer OSes made by and for hobbyists, and aren't expected to have a more general userbase?
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Bella on December 11, 2011, 02:42:31 pm
Workstations are high-end microcomputers that have only one or a few users, typically used in business or scientific applications. Examples of workstations (and workstation OSes) include the Xerox Alto, Three Rivers PERQ, the NeXTCube, various Sun workstations, and on the OS side, there's IRIX, AIX, NeXTSTEP and Solaris, though all those OSes can be used on servers as well. Servers, of course, are computers that store files for a network and can be accessed by other computers. Examples of server OSes are Solaris, OpenVMS, many versions of Linux, and quite a few IBM OSes that I'm unfortunately not familiar with.

And yes, all small computers/PCs are microcomputers, though the name is most associated with small computers from the 70s, 80s and early 90s... home computer or personal computer has become a more popular term for microcomputers in the modern day.

Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Aurora Borealis on December 11, 2011, 04:57:20 pm
Thanks! I'm working on a page listing the OS-tan classes, and this info has been very useful!

EDIT: Here it is! http://ostan-collections.net/wiki/OS-tan_Class (http://ostan-collections.net/wiki/OS-tan_Class)

I forgot to ask, is Windows NT a workstation OS, server, or both? I also remembered that there in the 90's, there were Apple workstations running the Mac OS and there were also some running A/UX. The lines between these different classes gets blurred a lot. x_x

And what classes would CTSS, ITS, Multics, and several other contemporary OSes fall under?

Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Bella on December 11, 2011, 06:02:57 pm
Glad to hear that clarified things.

WinNT would be both, actually. And yeah, you're right, a lot of server systems (especially the older ones) also doubled as workstations.

CTSS, Multics and ITS are mainframe OSes. (ITS ran on the PDP-10, one of the only mainframe PDPs.) A good rule of thumb - all the classic DECs falls under the minicomputer class (except for the PDP-10 and its OSes, which would be filed under Mainframe, and the VAX and its OSes, which are more along the lines of server or workstation).
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Aurora Borealis on December 16, 2011, 09:14:38 pm
@Bella: I have those listed now. Thanks!

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All of the Apple-tans, except for Copland-tan, all have articles in some form:

http://ostan-collections.net/wiki/User:Aurora_Borealis/Sandbox#Apple-tan_list (http://ostan-collections.net/wiki/User:Aurora_Borealis/Sandbox#Apple-tan_list)

I rewrote Mac OS 8-tan's and System 7.5-tan's articles, and those are mostly complete. Rewriting those went fairly easily! :)
Lion-tan's article is still a stub though because I don't remember anything about her.
I got partly through rewriting System 6-tan's article, which was one of the hardest rewrites I've done.
System 7-tan's article is still a stub, due to difficulty constraints, but I'll try again.
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Tsubashi on December 17, 2011, 12:36:21 pm
Wow! The wiki was one of the feature I was most worried had stagnated, but I am so happy to see it has not. Thank you so much for your hard work!

I will go back and read this thread so I know what has happened, but in the meantime, what can I help with?
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Penti-chan on December 17, 2011, 01:03:40 pm
@Tsu: I've had some trouble trying to work a few last details into the article on RedHat-tan (Stuff from her Annex bio), while keeping it flowing smoothly, so some help with that would be good

I've been a little too tied up with other things to try and take a stab at finishing it, myself
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Krizonar on December 17, 2011, 01:23:35 pm
Hm, I do wish I was a wiki editor myself sometimes, as the Windows Tans have their bit-addressing under class, but only 2 Macs do. Small stuff like that bothers me man :(

I've always thought about being an editor but I guess I've never really asked for it.

I also see that System 6 is dated as April as AU/X is dated for February, did someone finally find a source for AU/X's specific release date? The only source I can find that is of historical context states AU/X came out in late 1988 instead of early. This means, as I stated in a conversation before, System 6 would predate AU/X.
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Bella on December 17, 2011, 04:04:39 pm
@Tsu-san: Yeah, I'm really glad that work on the Wiki has continued too... I was kind of doubtful that work on the annex project and wiki (and in fact the entire non-canon OS-tan universe) would continue after C-chan left, but it actually ramped up somewhat. o___o;;
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Aurora Borealis on December 17, 2011, 04:16:13 pm
@Tsubashi: Thanks! There are a lot of unused or outdated pictures that need to be cleaned out. Many of the Annex Project avatars have no longer used, old versions that should be removed to free up space.

@Krizo: I know what the bit addresses are of the Windows systems, but I'm not certain about what most of the Mac OSes would be.

-I know that Snow Leopard and Lion are 64-bit.
-Tiger and Leopard are 32/64 bit. Not sure if the earlier OSXs are also 32/64-bit or 32-bit only.
-Systems 7, 8 and 9 are 32-bit
-System 6 is 24-bit (32-bits, but uses the upper 8 bits for memory addressing). Not sure if the earlier Mac OSes are 24-bit as well.

According to this timeline on A/UX's wikipedia page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A/UX#Decline (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A/UX#Decline), A/UX debuted slightly before System 6 did.

@Bella: Work on those while C-Chan was still there could have been a lot more than it was, since I didn't ask many questions and didn't take the initiative very much back then. If I did, a lot more about character's and faction's backstories could have been revealed in that time. Oh, what could have been. :(

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Got a lot done on System 7-tan's article! http://ostan-collections.net/wiki/Macintosh_System_7 (http://ostan-collections.net/wiki/Macintosh_System_7)
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Bella on December 17, 2011, 04:27:15 pm
I would totally love to see more bio pictures posted - and I would be willing to help collect, crop and upload them, IF I KNEW HOW TO DO IT. But I completely forget how we're supposed to upload images to the Wiki... :z

And yeah, I know what you mean ... I always wonder how things would have worked out if C-chan was into writing and actually made stories about his OS-tans (thus better documenting personality, history and backstory than our random conjecture festivals). Or if I was more knowledgeable about computer history when he was still around ... we probably would have created so many more (and possibly older) OS-tans. Then again, that means I wouldn't have had the fun of seeing a lot of them created during the second wave of non-canon OS-tan creation (during late 2009/early 2010, when Stew showed up). :/
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Tsubashi on December 17, 2011, 04:42:46 pm
Well, when we are talk about Bit addressing, are we talking about addressable memory or kernel architectures? Yes, Pather was a 32-bit system, but it was able to take advantage of the G5's 64-bit architecture to address a much larger range. Then again, individual programs were still limited by the 32-bit base...

@Bella-sama:

Wiki Image Uploads: http://ostan-collections.net/wiki/Special:Upload
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Aurora Borealis on December 17, 2011, 04:55:23 pm
@Tsubashi: I'm not sure. Maybe both, if different architectures, like you mentioned with OSX Panther, are accounted for.
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Krizonar on December 17, 2011, 05:32:21 pm
Quote from: Tsubashi on December 17, 2011, 04:42:46 pm
@Krizo: I know what the bit addresses are of the Windows systems, but I'm not certain about what most of the Mac OSes would be.

-I know that Snow Leopard and Lion are 64-bit.
-Tiger and Leopard are 32/64 bit. Not sure if the earlier OSXs are also 32/64-bit or 32-bit only.
-Systems 7, 8 and 9 are 32-bit
-System 6 is 24-bit (32-bits, but uses the upper 8 bits for memory addressing). Not sure if the earlier Mac OSes are 24-bit as well.

According to this timeline on A/UX's wikipedia page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A/UX#Decline (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A/UX#Decline), A/UX debuted slightly before System 6 did.

Also, those bits are correct, though I would consider 10.5, 10.4 and 10.3 to be 64-bit/32-bit as well.

Hm, that's odd, because the very reference wikipedia is using on the bottom of the page states it was late 1988.
http://www.kernelthread.com/publications/appleoshistory//4.html

I would say those bitages are right, though 10.5,10.4 and 10.3 would be considered 64/32 bit.
Quote from: Tsubashi on December 17, 2011, 04:42:46 pm
Well, when we are talk about Bit addressing, are we talking about addressable memory or kernel architectures? Yes, Pather was a 32-bit system, but it was able to take advantage of the G5's 64-bit architecture to address a much larger range. Then again, individual programs were still limited by the 32-bit base...

I would say the Kernel architecture.
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Penti-chan on December 17, 2011, 06:32:23 pm
One thing I did think about the other day, involving Neptune-tan, would be an expansion on character details.

Since little is said about the character on the wiki, and she plays an important role in the story I'm writing right now, would it be fine to include details on her portrayal in my stories?
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Aurora Borealis on December 17, 2011, 06:37:18 pm
@Krizo: I'm an idiot for not noticing that. x_x

@Pentium:Okay. I'd like for the wiki to be as inclusive as possible, including alternate character interpretations, and even appearances in stories.

Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Penti-chan on December 17, 2011, 06:48:17 pm
All right ^_^

Well, should I have the stuff from my story under a separate header in the article, or blend it in with the current one, before the description on Odyssey?
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Aurora Borealis on December 17, 2011, 07:22:24 pm
The Neptune and Odyssey articles are split in the new Windows-tans table.

http://ostan-collections.net/wiki/User:Aurora_Borealis/Sandbox#from_the_Windows-tans_list: (http://ostan-collections.net/wiki/User:Aurora_Borealis/Sandbox#from_the_Windows-tans_list:)

I don't think any character has a list of appearances in stories yet, but I'd just put the info under a header along the lines of "Appearances in stories"
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Penti-chan on December 17, 2011, 07:34:24 pm
All right. I'll work on the page to Neptune later this weekend
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Bella on December 18, 2011, 11:37:49 am
@Tsubashi: Thanks so much man! I uploaded a bunch of images. : )

I added updated info box images for:
-Unix
-Linux
-Multics
-OpenVMS
-Whirlwind
-SAGE
-BUIC
-PDP-1
-CTSS

I updated the info boxes for:
-CTSS
-Whirlwind

And added an info box/page formatting for:
-BUIC
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Bella on December 18, 2011, 08:35:16 pm
AND, AND, I also updated the articles for:

-Leopard
-Snow Leopard
-Lion

And posted Info Box images for:
-BOS/360
-OS/360
-TSS/360
(Granted, they're B&W, but better than nothing I say)
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Aurora Borealis on December 18, 2011, 08:45:47 pm
Excellent! Those pages already look better just including a picture in the infobox, and thanks for filling in some more details for Snow Leopard-tan and Lion-tan! If you don't mind, could I color in those pictures used for the /360-tans?

As for the updates I made, I added more mainframe-tans to the mainframe table in progress, and added a few more OS-tan icons. Can anyone fill me in on the release dates and status (obsolete/discontinued/decommissioned or not) info for some of those characters?
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Bella on December 18, 2011, 09:36:30 pm
Quote from: Aurora Borealis on December 18, 2011, 08:45:47 pmIf you don't mind, could I color in those pictures used for the /360-tans?


Go for it. : )

QuoteAs for the updates I made, I added more mainframe-tans to the mainframe table in progress, and added a few more OS-tan icons. Can anyone fill me in on the release dates and status (obsolete/discontinued/decommissioned or not) info for some of those characters?


Should I post dates and obsolescence info here, or just edit the mainframe table directly?
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Aurora Borealis on December 18, 2011, 09:40:11 pm
Either will do.
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Bella on December 18, 2011, 09:42:09 pm
Cool, I think it would be easier if i just directly edited the table.


EDIT: I've requested Stewart's help in assisting me in filling out the roles/job descriptions of the various mainframe OS-tans, since many of those are his characters.
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Bella on March 06, 2012, 01:22:51 pm
I'm thinking of making/editing some more pages for various OS and hardware -tans and -kuns ..... what I'm wondering is, would it be okay for me to make a section for hardware-kuns? Or should I just include a hardware-kun section in the Hardware-tans page?

EDIT: Or should I just put hardware component-tans/kuns (for instance, IBM 728-kun and FASTRAND-kun, who're both memory-device-tans) in the hardware section, while putting actual mainframe-tans/kuns (like IBM 7090-kun and Honeywell 6180-kun) in the Mainframe-tans section?

EDIT NO. 2: Also, I'd like to start adding a section at the end of each wiki page (especially for the non-"canon" OS-tans who don't have image galleries here at OSC) to compile links to various fanworks (like images, stories, and maybe even OSC posts) involving the OS-tan in question. Any objections to this?
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Penti-chan on March 06, 2012, 06:56:57 pm
I think Aurora would be the best judge on the first two, but I don't see a reason why the last one would be a problem. After all, once I get around to it, Neptune-tan's page will make mentioning of her portrayal in my stories, so once I have enough of it posted, why not include a link to the story on my dA?
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Aurora Borealis on March 10, 2012, 04:25:28 pm
@Bella: I approve. I think it'd be better to have the mainframe characters, and the mainframe component characters in separate sections to make the mainframe section less confusing and unwieldy. Also agree with listing characters' roles in fanworks.
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Bella on March 10, 2012, 11:38:52 pm
Quote from: Aurora Borealis on March 10, 2012, 04:25:28 pm
@Bella: I approve. I think it'd be better to have the mainframe characters, and the mainframe component characters in separate sections to make the mainframe section less confusing and unwieldy. Also agree with listing characters' roles in fanworks.


Okay, I'll put mainframe computers AND OSes in the Mainframes section, while hardware components (memory drums/drives/terminals) in the Hardware section.

As for fanworks and what not, I'm planning on just putting those at the ends of the articles. Should I put links under the Theories and Notes section (as I did in VMS' article) or make a separate section on the page for it?

Over the last week or so, I've made or updated articles for:
-PDP-8
-PDP-11
-IAS Machine
-VMS (added some info in Theories and Notes, updated avatar)
-ITS (added some info in Theories and Notes)
-LINC (filled out article, added avatar)
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Aurora Borealis on March 11, 2012, 12:06:33 am
I would put those in a separate section, with Theories and Notes being a misc. section.

However, in the articles I wrote, I don't use a Theories and Notes section, but have an Alternate Character Interpretation sub-section within the main Character Details section. Then again, I've never really seen the Theories and Notes section used until your latest update to the VMS article, so I'm not sure what to put in that section if I'm to include it in other articles. :-/

I did some editing too, expanding on QNX's and Cray-1's articles so far.
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Bella on March 11, 2012, 12:04:16 pm
Quote from: Aurora Borealis on March 11, 2012, 12:06:33 am
I would put those in a separate section, with Theories and Notes being a misc. section.

However, in the articles I wrote, I don't use a Theories and Notes section, but have an Alternate Character Interpretation sub-section within the main Character Details section. Then again, I've never really seen the Theories and Notes section used until your latest update to the VMS article, so I'm not sure what to put in that section if I'm to include it in other articles. :-/

I did some editing too, expanding on QNX's and Cray-1's articles so far.


Okay, I'll keep that in mind.

I'd like to put information in the Theories and Notes section that's maybe too trivial (notes) or too questionable (theories) to put in the main article - of course, those theories could easily go under alternate character interpretation, and those notes could probably be integrated to the main article.

Also, I'm not sure if we should strive for complete uniformity across all articles - it might make more sense to have an "Alternate Character Interpretation" section in some articles, as some character's backstories and personalities ARE subject to a certain amount of debate. For instance, there hasn't been enough info released on SAGE or WWMCCS-tan to know what their exact motives are, whether Unix-tan is good, bad or neutral, whether or not CTSS-tan is still alive, etc. While other characters are established enough (or NOT established enough) to have an alternate interpretation - these characters' articles might do better with a "Theories and Notes" section.

I'll go check out their articles now. :)
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Aurora Borealis on March 13, 2012, 12:49:04 am
Okay. Sounds good.

I expanded on Lisa-tan's and EvilEntity-tan's articles. I also expanded a little bit on DOS/V-tan's article, and knowing a little bit about the Japanese computer market of the 80's and 90's, she's an under-appreciated character; when DOS/V was released in 1990, it overthrew the PC-98 (NEC PC-9800 series) as the dominant platform in Japan... before being overthrown by 95-tan. Speaking of which, I also have a concept for PC-98-tan and should post that up.
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Bella on May 04, 2012, 10:46:07 pm
I've been thinking about ways we can integrate info that's been posted in the various theory/conjecture/character-creation threads into the wiki itself. Lots of nuggets of information get stuck in the forum without ever making their way into the wiki.

The way I see it, it would be sort of like the WMG pages on TVTropes articles, but less .... wild, I guess. Would it be worth making a section just to post these theories? Or should they go under the "theories and notes" section that's already in a lot of OS-tan wiki articles?
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Aurora Borealis on May 12, 2012, 11:37:42 pm
@Bella: I see you've been making a lot of edits lately and creating many new articles. Great job!

Would you like to start with a unified "theories" article to put all this WMG-sort of stuff in one place first, before migrating them to their individual articles?
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Bella on May 12, 2012, 11:50:16 pm
Quote from: Aurora Borealis on May 12, 2012, 11:37:42 pm
@Bella: I see you've been making a lot of edits lately and creating many new articles. Great job!

Would you like to start with a unified "theories" article to put all this WMG-sort of stuff in one place first, before migrating them to their individual articles?


Yes! I guess one good side effect of writer's block is having more will to work on the wiki. ^^;

That's what I was thinking ... I'd definitely like to see these theories go on the individual OS-tan articles too, but grouping them into a single article might be a good place to start.

Any ideas for names? Maybe just "Theories on individual OS-tans"? (To set it apart from the articles on theories about OS-tans as a species, the setting, etc.)
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Aurora Borealis on May 13, 2012, 12:01:26 am
Okay, something like that, though I don't think the title matters much if the article is going to be a temporary place to store theories.
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Bella on May 13, 2012, 12:38:14 am
That's true.

I guess I'll let you start the article, since I really don't know how it should be organized.
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Bella on May 19, 2012, 01:08:37 pm
I may start that article after all, I don't want to burden you with this if you're busy with more important stuff. ^^; (Especially since I was the one to propose the idea.)

I guess I'll just model it after the other Theory articles and organize it by OS-tan faction or class (ie, Mainframe-tan, micro-tan, etc) for now. I'm also going to write a little introduction explaining that these are theories that were first proposed on the forum, that they may not be considered canon/fanon and may not be endorsed by the original creators of the characters.
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Penti-chan on May 19, 2012, 02:00:34 pm
IDK if it counts as just a theory or fanon (You can be the judge of that), but I the canon within my stories operate on the theory that 2k-tan knows of the connection between her mother (NT-tan) and VMS-tan.

As for how Nichi would learn this, I picture it as being the sort of thing she accidentally stumbled upon during her training. It hasn't been mentioned in universe yet, since I haven't found an opportunity to bring it up
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Aurora Borealis on May 19, 2012, 03:10:40 pm
@Bella: Go for it! I've been busy lately, but I can try and help you gather more stuff for the article.

@Pentium: I think that would be considered an alternate universe interpretation, but those can be included too, like a what-if scenario.

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I created Harvard Mark II-tan's and III-tan's articles!

I don't have human names listed for them, but for Mark II-tan, I considered Mary Aiken, and Addie Aiken for Mark III-tan.

@Bella or Stew: I know that Mark II-tan and Mark III-tan were separated from their mother early in life, but did these two see each other frequently, or did they work separate divisions as well? Also, I'd like to imagine they may have had a sibling rivalry early in life, with Mark II-tan originally feeling threatened by Mark III-tan's status as the most powerful computer-tan of the time.
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Bella on May 19, 2012, 03:13:24 pm
Actually, C-chan proposed (or insinuated, at least) the same thing years ago. Since 2K-tan is the most business-savvy of the Windows-tans and frequently interacts with server-tans and whatnot, he reasoned that she'd probably know that OpenVMS-tan is her grandmother.

Quote from: Aurora Borealis on May 19, 2012, 03:10:40 pm
I don't have human names listed for them, but for Mark II-tan, I considered Mary Aiken, and Addie Aiken for Mark III-tan.

@Bella or Stew: I know that Mark II-tan and Mark III-tan were separated from their mother early in life, but did these two see each other frequently, or did they work separate divisions as well? Also, I'd like to imagine they may have had a sibling rivalry early in life, with Mark II-tan originally feeling threatened by Mark III-tan's status as the most powerful computer-tan of the time.


Those names sound fine to me.

I'm really not sure, it's been so long since i read about the Mark II and III that I forget where those computers were located. : ( I seem to recall that both were in Dahlgren, VA, so they probably would have interacted with each other even if they didn't work at the exact same place.

Quote from: Aurora Borealis on May 19, 2012, 03:10:40 pm
@Bella: Go for it! I've been busy lately, but I can try and help you gather more stuff for the article.


Kay, I guess I'll get it started by gathering some theories ....
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Aurora Borealis on May 20, 2012, 05:04:43 pm
@Bella: You're making great progress on the Species, and Life/Death articles, and I'll be looking forward to seeing the new Character Theories page get filled out!

I did some more stuff, expanding on Sinclair QL-tan's article (she has some unusual rivalries!), added an alternate character interpretation for Windows 3.1-tan, and also added another section on QNX-tan's article about her relationship with the Anti$oft Coalition. Too bad I have a hard time writing stories, and am kinda having artist's block outside of working on my main comic, because I'd really like to illustrate more OS-tan stuff, and even make short OS-tan comics again.
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Bella on May 20, 2012, 05:26:08 pm
Thanks! I'm having some trouble figuring out where i want to go with the Character Theories article ... I want it to be about not only individuals, but factions, groups, and other aspects of OS-tan society as well. (For instance, I want to include theories about OS-tan magic, "animal-based" magic vs. learned magic, etc). I guess I'll comb through the Theory Revival, More IBM-tans and OS-tans and Tropes threads for some theories.

I fully support your drawing more OS-tan stuff/short comics. :) I've been wanting to draw more OS-tans that don't get much exposure/haven't been drawn yet or haven't shown up in a long time....
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Aurora Borealis on May 20, 2012, 05:50:23 pm
Not only are there storyline-purpose deaths, there might also be storyline-purpose exemptions from death, such as SAGE, IAS (both decommissioned but hardware is intact), Commodore 65 (prototype system, between 200 and 1000 exist; no real userbase), Macintosh System 3.4 (unusual, very limited-run Mac OS version; presumably has no userbase left), and possibly also Visi On. And if Honeywell Kitchen Computer-tan is alive, she's another exemption.

One of the comic ideas I had in mind was one about the Flashback trojan incident, another about the Apple II's 35th anniversary, and another about OS/2's 25th anniversary.
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Bella on May 20, 2012, 05:53:39 pm
Oh! And one other thing.

I'm wondering if, under the "Theories about individual characters" section, we should 1) Create a sub-section for each OS-tan, or if we should 2) Just create an individual sub-section for each theory (TVTropes WMG-style).

For instance, 1) would look like this:

Code Select
==Theories about individual characters==
====Bell Labs Unix====
-Theory #1
-Theory #2
-Theory #3

====GNU Linux====
-Theory #1
-Theory #2


While 2) would go like this:

Code Select
==Theories about individual characters==
====Bell Labs Unix is the head of an assimilation plot====
*Theory explaination goes here*

====SAGE's could visually perceive the radio spectrum====
*Theory explaination goes here*
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Aurora Borealis on May 20, 2012, 06:17:15 pm
I'd probably start with the second one, since I don't know how many characters have how many alternate theories. If there are some that have several, you could switch to the first model for those characters.
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Bella on May 20, 2012, 06:28:43 pm
Quote from: Aurora Borealis on May 20, 2012, 06:17:15 pm
I'd probably start with the second one, since I don't know how many characters have how many alternate theories. If there are some that have several, you could switch to the first model for those characters.


Okay! I was leaning toward the second one too.
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Bella on May 24, 2012, 08:28:32 pm
I still haven't worked on the character theories section, but I got some work done on the other theory threads: I added a little more info in Species, gave a summary of a few different theories about OS-tan creation/birth in the Life and Death article,  and added some info about OS-tans who should be dead but aren't (in the same article).
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Aurora Borealis on May 25, 2012, 10:33:57 pm
Good job an all of those! You organized the Species section very well, which may not have been an easy task because of the sheer amount of stuff that had been typed up in discussion.

Today, I expanded on NT-tan's article, adding her relation within the Windows Family, the details of her creation, and her achieving dominance in the server market. Two sub-sections I listed but haven't gotten to yet are her duel against OS/2-tan; in part because I'm not sure exactly when that would have taken chronologically relative to her duel against VMS, and her conquering the Unices, and her life after the wars.
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Bella on May 25, 2012, 11:04:25 pm
Thanks Aurora. I'm glad you don't think I went overboard with it, heh. ^^;

Ooh, I'll go check that out. I'm not sure when OS/2 and NT-tan fought either, sorry. :/
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Aurora Borealis on June 24, 2012, 12:19:55 am
Updates:

1. Added some more mini icons to the experimental OS-tan tables.
2. Added some more info to the Commodore Family (http://ostan-collections.net/wiki/Commodore_Family) article.
3. Created the Independent OS (http://ostan-collections.net/wiki/Independent_OS) section of the OS-tan Lineages.
4. Expanded on the OS-tan Classes (http://ostan-collections.net/wiki/OS-tan_Class) article.
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Bella on June 24, 2012, 12:26:01 am
Re: Independent OS-tans: PR1MOS is considered a Multics-like OS, so PR1MOS-tan probably doesn't belong on that list.
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Aurora Borealis on June 24, 2012, 12:41:59 am
Okay. I knew that PR1MOS was influenced by Multics, but was PR1MOS derived from it? I ask this just to be sure.

I'm also not sure whether to add MenuetOS to the list since it made from scratch, and originated as an independent OS, but now has a derivative (KolibriOS).
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Bella on June 24, 2012, 09:51:19 am
According to the Multicians' site, PRIMOS "...shows a strong Multics influence", and was created by a number of ex-Multicians who affectionately nicknamed it "Multics-in-a-Shoebox". So yes, in OS-tan terms I would think that she was (at least) heavily mentally/magically influenced by Multics-sama, if not in the murky area of -tans that may or may not be related to Multics (like VOS-tan).
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Aurora Borealis on June 26, 2012, 10:23:01 pm
So she's influenced enough by Multics to not really count as independent? Okay, I removed her from the list.

Recent progress:

1. Added the early years of PET-tan's backstory (http://ostan-collections.net/wiki/Commodore_PET#History_and_background), also mentioning KIM-1-tan, who is the mother of the 8-bit Commodore-tans although no design or characterization exist for her yet.

2. Added a little bit more info on Windows 8 (http://ostan-collections.net/wiki/Windows_8). On another note, isn't it sad there are so few 8-tan designs? What happened to the design rushes we had with Vista and 7?

3. Choco is working on a Futaba characters page; good idea as they do interact with the canon Windows-tans in Futaba continuity. Once we get those characters documented, we can add the Windows-tans' relationships with them to their articles.

4. Choco also added some more information on ME-tan (http://ostan-collections.net/wiki/Windows_ME).

4. On the Setting article, I described the middle-ground approach (http://ostan-collections.net/wiki/Setting#Middle_ground_between_the_Fantasy_Cyberpunk_Culture_and_Real_World).

***Also on that article, there's a red link to "OS-tan 'canon'"; should that article be made to describe:
A. What is generally or universally agreed on in the whole OS-tan fandom?

B. The original canon?

C. Take a Third Option: The term 'canon' is now outdated as the Japanese and Western fandoms diverged so much that it split into at least two continuities?
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Bella on June 26, 2012, 10:41:22 pm
Good work Aurora!

To be honest, I'm a bit glad that there hasn't been a rush of Windows 8-tan designs, makes it easier to get behind just one. >>;;

Quote from: Aurora Borealis on June 26, 2012, 10:23:01 pm
***Also on that article, there's a red link to "OS-tan 'canon'"; should that article be made to describe:

A. What is generally or universally agreed on in the whole OS-tan fandom?

B. The original canon?

C. Take a Third Option: The term 'canon' is now outdated as the Japanese and Western fandoms diverged so much that it split into at least two continuities?



Actually, I think it's a good idea to include all three theories.

Theories A and B would probably be the most accurate to what we know as "OS-tan canon", or what we mean when we talk about "OS-tan canon"; but theory C should be included as an alternate viewpoint!
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Aurora Borealis on June 26, 2012, 11:20:10 pm
Have you seen Esu's 8-tan design? I thought it was the best one.

Technically you're taking a fourth option. :P That does sound like the best idea though, since there isn't even be agreement in what the OS-tan 'canon' is anymore!

-------

I added three MMD videos to the OS-tan Multimedia (http://ostan-collections.net/wiki/OS-tan_Multimedia) list. The third one is really weird but awesome.

EDIT: Choco posted up the start of the Nijiura and Futaba Characters page (http://ostan-collections.net/wiki/Nijiura_and_Futaba_Characters), and it's off to a great start!
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Bella on June 26, 2012, 11:49:31 pm
I am familiar with Esu's 8-tan, in fact I was the first one to post it on the board. ^^;

I'm partial to this 8-tan design (http://img36.imageshack.us/img36/2162/1331474348857.jpg) too, but I think it's close enough to Esu's to be considered the same character.

You know how i am, I don't like having to settle with just one explanation. Besides, the OS-tan fandom is so diverse (or fragmented) that it would be something of an injustice to present just one viewpoint of what "canon" constitutes.
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Chocofreak13 on June 27, 2012, 05:10:29 am
the article is at the end of the second third of being done. (i would have finished it today, but my browser has reached its limit for right clicks for the second time today, and while i could restart and finish it now, it's been 20 hours since i last slept, so i'd rather do it when i'm a bit more coherent. (i didn't leave anything half done, but i do need to upload some pics for certain parts of the article.) all of the pieces of the article i intend to write are there right now, but more may be added at a later date (depending on the frequency of various characters in OS-tan artwork and the development of new characters, if any). let me know what you think, i've been working on it for over 12 hours.... ;v;

@aurora: about the multimedia list, should i add the videos on the OS-tan playlist to it?
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Penti-chan on June 27, 2012, 10:26:43 am
@Kari: I like what I see so far. Nice job :3

Now, maybe sometime when I have some free time, I'll finally finish up the article on RedHat-tan ^_^;
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Bella on June 27, 2012, 11:24:10 am
That page looks great, Kari! I've always been curious about the various Futaba characters (since they show up so often in OS-tan artwork), and this has really demystified them for me. ^^

I think Yabai is my favorite. : o
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Aurora Borealis on June 27, 2012, 12:05:58 pm
Excellent work, Choco!

@Choco: Yes, adding that link would be good. That's where I found those videos I added to the article!

-------

Update: I added the OSC fanon interpretation of Windows 3.1's backstory (http://ostan-collections.net/wiki/Windows_3.1#OSC_Fanon), or what I could from memory.
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Chocofreak13 on June 27, 2012, 01:42:58 pm
@bella: you WOULD like the guro one, lol. (or maybe it's because she's a snowy owl harpy? seems like your type of character, lol. :3) makes me think i should have included Iya-san, too, since she seems to be a little on the yandere side. maybe i'll expand the maid section again to include the random maids (at which point i'll move yabai there). inai would probably go there, too, since she's considered a maid, though i've never seen her doing anything maid-like.....

@pent: thanks! i was thinking of working on some os-kun articles today, too, so i'll finish my articles if you finish yours. :3

@aurora: thanks! that means a lot coming from the main wiki contributor. ^^
do you want me to post a link to the playlist itself or to the videos from the playlist? i've got about 70 on the list (soon to be more once i figure out how to get the videos from here to youtube), while it looks like you only have about 20-30 in the multimedia list. :\
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Aurora Borealis on June 27, 2012, 02:05:32 pm
@Choco: How about you post the link to the playlist in the article, and here, point out to me the videos that aren't yet listed in the article, a few at a time? That way, going through the unlisted videos will be more manageable.
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Chocofreak13 on June 27, 2012, 02:35:05 pm
sounds good. i'll edit this post with a couple videos later.
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Penti-chan on June 27, 2012, 03:00:49 pm
I finally got around to finishing RedHat-tan's article. Now, to dig around and find another character to work on the page of
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Bella on June 27, 2012, 06:28:52 pm
I compiled a bunch of theories from /OS-tan Theory Revival and /Tans and Tropes into the now-misnomer'd "Character Theories" article:

http://ostan-collections.net/wiki/Character_theories
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Penti-chan on June 27, 2012, 07:40:03 pm
One thing I thought about for the wiki, which might help:

I was wondering if anybody else thinks making some redirects would help. For example, "Pizza-tan" would redirect to the article on Nijura and Futaba characters, "2k-tan" would redirect to Windows 2000, etc.

Any thoughts?
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Chocofreak13 on June 27, 2012, 07:41:26 pm
article is finished. gonna break for dinner, but after i think i'll either rewrite some of the OS-kun articles or chase some new pic leads.

@pent: sounds like the logical thing to do.[/spock]
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Aurora Borealis on June 27, 2012, 08:10:25 pm
***Great work everyone! This has been the most productive day for the OSC Wiki! :D ***

For the experimental character tables (http://ostan-collections.net/wiki/User:Aurora_Borealis/Sandbox), I added more character icons, and split Windows 1.0 into two separate entries since the OSC and Futaba versions of 1.0-tan are significantly different in characterization and appearance. Separate articles will probably be made, since trying to list info about them in one article could get unwieldy. I could use the original 1.0 page as a disambiguation section, while also stating that both versions were created independently.

Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Chocofreak13 on June 27, 2012, 09:26:40 pm
i vote we keep 1.0 on one page, but break it in half, keeping the two halves seperate. Devote one box and half the article to the OSC version, and a second box and the other half of the page to the Futaba version.
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Bella on June 27, 2012, 10:56:39 pm
Quote from: Chocofreak13 on June 27, 2012, 09:26:40 pm
i vote we keep 1.0 on one page, but break it in half, keeping the two halves seperate. Devote one box and half the article to the OSC version, and a second box and the other half of the page to the Futaba version.


Seconding Kari here.

Quote from: Aurora Borealis on June 27, 2012, 08:10:25 pm
***Great work everyone! This has been the most productive day for the OSC Wiki! :D ***


FUCKYEAHPRODUCTIVITY!
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Aurora Borealis on June 27, 2012, 11:42:58 pm
@Choco and Bella: I tried to get all the information for both 1.0-tans on the same article, but it came across as too unwieldy. A better option would be for the 1.0-tan article to briefly describe both of them and link to more detailed articles, such as:

Quote
=Windows 1.0:=

"Two designs exist, one developed by OSC, and one developed by Futaba. Both differ significantly in appearance and characterization, and were developed independently..."

==OSC Version==
basic description here...
[[OSC Windows 1.0 | Windows 1.0 (OSC Version)]] <-- Link to full article

==Futaba Version==
basic description here...

[[Futaba Windows 1.0 | Windows 1.0 (Futaba Version)]] <-- Link to full article



@Bella: Yeeeeah! Productivity FTW!!

Getting a bit more done, I added a little more on TIFRAC's article, noting that TIFRAC was based off of Von Neumann principles, making her an IAS-type system, and that TIFRAC's developers knew a little of ORDVAC's design. However, she could still be considered an independent system.

I don't have anything for her backstory yet, and I don't know if she ever met any computer-tans.

I also added some stuff to Solaris-tan's article (http://ostan-collections.net/wiki/Solaris).


Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Penti-chan on June 27, 2012, 11:47:38 pm
Probably tomorrow, if I'm not busy with anything else, I'll start working on the redirects I mentioned earlier
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Exa on June 28, 2012, 07:29:12 am
To be honest, I would stick with the disambiguation page / short description with links here, because in my opinion, major differences in design and such would make complicated to keep the information in check, therefore, it warrants the split page solution.
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Bella on June 28, 2012, 10:27:44 am
@Aurora: Good work on adding more info on TIFRAC! It's interesting to hear that she's another branch on the IAS family tree. ^.^

Also, thanks for starting off Solaris-tan's article, I've wanted to work on it for awhile but haven't been sure where to start. x.x
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Penti-chan on June 28, 2012, 01:50:47 pm
I have created redirects for Toshiaki, WE-tan, Pizza-tan, and Yamada; linking to their respective sections of the article Choco finished last night. If you'll notice, the number of red links on the Introduction page has gone down; making it look more complete :3
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Bella on June 28, 2012, 02:51:09 pm
PDP-10 bio get:

http://ostan-collections.net/wiki/PDP-10
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Aurora Borealis on June 28, 2012, 04:02:46 pm
Good job, Pentium and Bella with today's progress so far!

PDP-10 sounds like a great character, and surely she was one of the highest-ranked DEC-tans for her combat ability. Impressive that she got along with PDP-11-tan considering PDP-11 was partly responsible for the downfall of the society PDP-10 contributed to. I wonder if she'd also get along with Rainbow-tan, being able to relate to being the odd one out among what is mainly a minicomputer faction, and is also easy-going, though Rainbow was a poor tactician.

EDIT: I got started adding some info on the DEC Military: (http://ostan-collections.net/wiki/DEC_Military)

I also organized the members alphabetically, but would like to organize them by lineage, but at times I got confused trying to do so.
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Chocofreak13 on June 28, 2012, 11:19:46 pm
Quote from: Exa on June 28, 2012, 07:29:12 am
To be honest, I would stick with the disambiguation page / short description with links here, because in my opinion, major differences in design and such would make complicated to keep the information in check, therefore, it warrants the split page solution.


you know, i was about to suggest this, that instead of having two articles for "1.0" we create a disambiguation page where they could redirect to "1.0-tan (OSC Character)" and "1.0-tan (Futaba Character)" (or something similar).

either tonight or tomorrow i'm gonna be tackling those os-kun articles. >>;

@pent: gj on the redirects, man. always nice to have a cleaner-looking front page, makes it look more professional. :3

EDIT: so i was skimming through the introduction (for the first time, lol) and i was thinking about adding to the personification before the os-tans section. but i have a question: do persocoms or persocom-like characters count as personification? chobits came out in 2000 in japan, and buttobi cpu came out in 1997, both of which feature sentient computers. :\

oh, and upon reading further, it's fairly obvious that it could use a little cleaning, both in terms of updated info and grammar (noteably the Futaba: The Rise of the OS-tans part). >>;
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Bella on June 29, 2012, 08:39:25 pm
Quote from: Aurora Borealis on June 28, 2012, 04:02:46 pm
PDP-10 sounds like a great character, and surely she was one of the highest-ranked DEC-tans for her combat ability. Impressive that she got along with PDP-11-tan considering PDP-11 was partly responsible for the downfall of the society PDP-10 contributed to. I wonder if she'd also get along with Rainbow-tan, being able to relate to being the odd one out among what is mainly a minicomputer faction, and is also easy-going, though Rainbow was a poor tactician.


She was probably pretty highly-ranked, though I still haven't come up with any formal chart for ranks among the DEC hardwares. ^^;

In regards to PDP-10 and -11's friendship, I don't think PDP-11-tan would have ever been hostile toward PDP-10-tan, so that may explain how they were able to remain friends. Part of me suspects that PDP-10-tan knew her moment in the sun was up and stepped gracefully into retirement, and may've even looked at being supplanted by her friend as something of an honor. Note that the same absolutely cannot be said for their followers - the Unices (Unix-tan in particular) and old school hacker OSes (TOPS-10, TENEX, ITS and WAITS) absolutely hate each other and probably would have fought to the bitter end.

I can totally see PDP-10 and Rainbow-tan getting along, too. ^^

Quote from: Aurora Borealis on June 28, 2012, 04:02:46 pmEDIT: I got started adding some info on the DEC Military: (http://ostan-collections.net/wiki/DEC_Military)

I also organized the members alphabetically, but would like to organize them by lineage, but at times I got confused trying to do so.


Yay! I was gonna work on that article, but I really wasn't sure where to start. I think the list looks fine as it is, though if you want an outline of the lineages, I can make that for you.
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Aurora Borealis on June 29, 2012, 09:01:44 pm
@Choco: I'm really not sure if the persocom-like characters would count as personifications, but they are kinda related to the OS-tan series and maybe have some common themes. What do you others think about this question?

@Bella: Thanks. I'm glad I was able to get a starting point for the history section, but am kinda stuck, and am stuck trying to figure out or organize the following:

-Introduction of the PDP-tans, their OS descendants and their roles.
-Was PDP-1 always officially affiliated with the DECs, or did she retire at some point before their collapse?
-RSX-tan being taken from RW-300-tan, and introduced into DEC-- which raises a few other questions; RSX is based off of RW-300, but is a PDP-11 OS; what is the relation between PDP-11 and RSX since DOS-11 was thought to be RSX's adoptive mother?
-VMS' debut.
-When did the Unixes and DECs start fighting, and who won those battles?
-The battles between the DECs and the Data Generals; ultimately, who won?
-Introduction of Ultrix to the DEC ranks, despite the DECs blood feud against the Unixes (it was elaborated in one of your comics, but how to organize this in the article?)-- another question: Was there a conflict of interest going on when Unixes were introduced to the DECs?

Were the Unixes PDP-11's followers? I remember reading that UNIX was created on a PDP-7, but was it ported to the PDP-11?
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Bella on June 29, 2012, 10:04:19 pm
Quote from: Aurora Borealis on June 29, 2012, 09:01:44 pm
@Choco: I'm really not sure if the persocom-like characters would count as personifications, but they are kinda related to the OS-tan series and maybe have some common themes. What do you others think about this question?


I don't think persocoms count as personifications either ... I'm not really sure if they should get mention or not on the wiki, I mean, I guess you could make a case that they're somewhat similar in concept to OS-tans, but I'm not really seeing it personally.

Quote from: Aurora Borealis on June 29, 2012, 09:01:44 pm@Bella: Thanks. I'm glad I was able to get a starting point for the history section, but am kinda stuck, and am stuck trying to figure out or organize the following:


Imma answer these to the best of my ability, one-by-one:

#1: I'm not really sure what you mean, can you elaborate?

#2: I imagined she retired LONG before DEC's collapse, but I'm guessing they kept her around out of affection and respect. She left when DEC disbanded in 1998.

#3: The RSX - RW-300 - PDP-11 thing is kind of complex. TBH, I'm not sure RSX was taken from RW-300-tan. At this point, I'm leaning toward the explanation that RSX-tan was metaphorically taken from her, via PDP-11 obtaining RW-300's source code and creating a RSX from it.

#3, part 2: PDP-11-tan was generally too busy with science and travel and seducing Unix-tans and shit to take care of her "kids" - DOS-11, RT-11, RSX and RSTS - so she left the latter three in the care of DOS-11-tan, who was the oldest of the group. Which was a terrible idea in hindsight, since DOS-11 was the most mentally-unstable of the group and really not competent to look after anything, let alone her younger (step?)siblings!

#4: VMS-tan debuted in 1977, you can use that story I wrote about her debut as a reference if you want to know more.

#5: Still not totally sure how the native DEC OSes v. Unix-tans thing went down. It's a really complex subject that warrants quite a bit of research, research that I just haven't done yet. x.x

#6: Again, I'm not sure how many direct battles the DG-tans and DEC-tans had. It's probably safe to assume that the DECs won most of them, though.

#7: Management probably knew that DEC was in trouble by the time they allowed Ultrix in. Recruiting Unix-tans may've been a desperate attempt to stave off outside Unix forces with an INTERNAL group of Unices, fighting fire with fire so to speak. The alternate theory is that there was some sort of outside pressure to accept Unix-tans, or maybe they just gave up by that point and didn't see the harm in letting in a Unix-tan.

#8: Re, Unix, PDP-7, and PDP-11: PDP-7-tan somehow fell in with Bell Labs, where she was recruited to help create Unix-tan. I suppose she and Unix would have gotten along well, but she panicked and abandoned the Labs when she realized how powerful Unix-tan was getting. Or maybe it was seeing Unix-tan get groomed to take out Multics that drove her away. Around 1970, PDP-11 replaced PDP-7. By that time, Unix was fairly mature and really didn't need anyone to take care of her, so their relationship was more of a friend sort than dependent and caretaker, as it had been with PDP-7.

I hope this was coherent enough, if you have any other questions or need clarification, I'll try to help. ^^;
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Chocofreak13 on June 30, 2012, 01:01:11 am
@bella, aurora: i don't consider them -tans in that respect either, but maybe a blurb in the introduction, something like 'before the os-tans'? cause it kinda-sorta-almost ties in with the fandom in a parallel sense. :\

also, i fixed up the 95-kun article, cleaned up 95-tan's article a bit, and repaired one or two links on the Nijiura and Futaba Characters Page (i'ma have to fix more later, for now my right click is disabled cause of the limit again...). i would have gotten more done, but i found a cave filled with pics, mostly new comics....(some of which i have to translate by hand, ugh). tomorrow i'll either create 3.1-kun's article or fix up ME-kun's. :\

EDIT: btw guys, is there a Cairo-tan? considering she would have been a significant player in the early 90's, it's kinda odd that i've never heard mention of her on here. guess this belongs in the more ibm-tans section, but i figured since i was posting here anyway, i'd just roll with it and ask. :\
if not, i'd imagine her personality as haughty at first and bitter after her failure. :\
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Aurora Borealis on June 30, 2012, 01:38:16 am
I think the technical details sections for 95-tan and 95-kun should be trimmed down; that section shouldn't overshadow the character details. I believe that the technical details should provide enough information that it gives some context or reference to the character details.

For example, with Windows 95, the "Start Me Up" campaign, and highly successful debut could be a references to 95-tan's aggressive campaigns she led during the OS Wars, and the time in her life before her debut was spent training to be the conqueror she'd become. If that bit about Windows 93 is true, maybe she had some setbacks in her training? The bit about 95 being designed for 32-bit capabilities in order to be a viable competitor was another factor in her life; that led her to seek her destiny in modernizing Windows.

On the other hand, I don't think the parts about the trial version and what it shipped on need to be kept.

The part about USB support is mentioned in 95 OSR 2.1-tan's and 95 OSR 2.5-tan's articles; it was OSR 2.1 that introduced USB support, though not very well, and OSR 2.5 fixed some of the mistakes. But I believe that whether 95-tan represents all the 95 releases, or only those up to OSR 2.0, she would struggle with USB technology either way.

I've vaguely heard of Cairo, but no Cairo-tan.
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Chocofreak13 on June 30, 2012, 01:45:31 am
sorry, i had a feeling it was a little long. ^^; it was my first time writing one of those and i wanted to make sure i got everything nessecary. ^^;;;
i'll trim it down in the morning. (can we at least keep the part about the 5.25" floppy? that sounded hilarious. xD)
hopefully the articles at least look a little better. :\

as for cairo, maybe i'll create her. seems like she might be a predecessor to Neptune and Odyssey, the only difference being that Cairo was released in some way (not fully). i think i'll move that discussion over to the new ibm-tans thread.

btw, for some reason the alternate names i had put in for 95-kun aren't showing up in the infobox, is there any reason why? :\
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Aurora Borealis on June 30, 2012, 02:04:37 am
I fixed that problem. It's related to a coding and legacy issue with the infobox template itself.

To be exact, for the "also known as" section in the current infobox, the "also known as" section is coded as:
Quote
|alias = other names or nicknames for this character


But the one used in 95-kun's article, although it looks just like the current one now, used the old section coding:
Quote
|aka = other names or nicknames for this character


And since that naming was no longer supported because it was replaced, the names didn't show. When I was updating the infobox template some time ago, I changed that name from "aka =" to "alias =", which led to that part of the infobox being broken by mistake. I just simply needed to change that little bit in the infobox in 95-kun's article.
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Chocofreak13 on June 30, 2012, 02:12:44 am
okay.

but just so you know, i copied that infobox from windows ME. :\
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Bella on June 30, 2012, 12:11:52 pm
@Aurora: Not to sound naggy, but, you checked out those things I wrote about the DEC-tans?

I just wanna make sure that all made sense, cause i was super-tired when I wrote it. .__.


EDIT: Added an article for MUSIC/SP-tan.
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Chocofreak13 on July 01, 2012, 05:41:07 pm
i trimmed the tech aspect of the 95s' articles, but idk what else to do to them. i don't mean to be a bother, but maybe someone else could have a look and decide what to do? i provided the basis but i can't shape the clay this way. (there's a reason that my term papers always run long. >>; )
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Bella on July 01, 2012, 10:47:10 pm
PDP-7-tan article get: http://ostan-collections.net/wiki/PDP-7

@Kari: I did learn some things from the tech section you wrote! I really want to see this 95-centric Cyber Sitcom that was used as an advertisement, lol.

Also, the only thing I'd suggest adding to 95-tan's article is more details about her role in the OS Wars, since she was a pretty prominent player in it. Though that's somewhat fanonical. Ask Aurora about it, she'd probably be able to explain it better than I can.
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Chocofreak13 on July 02, 2012, 08:53:10 pm
i didn't write 95-tans article, just the tech aspect. though i know a good amount about the OS-wars, but if you think Aurora would be better suited, then she might be better off writing it. the only characters i can claim to be an authority on around here are the futabas and the os-kuns. >>;
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Bella on July 02, 2012, 09:05:20 pm
I gotcha.

Hm, I still want to write that article for Emacs-kun ... not sure where to start though... 
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Penti-chan on July 06, 2012, 12:16:07 pm
Probably later today, I'll start working on a first draft of the article for Neptune-tan; mixing in details already existing in the shared article with details on her appearance in my stories.

Are there any other details on her I should pay attention to; like an Annex bio?
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Aurora Borealis on July 06, 2012, 12:58:17 pm
Neptune doesn't have an Annex bio. I think the article so far and your interpretations are all there is currently on her.
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Penti-chan on July 06, 2012, 02:05:33 pm
All right. I'll start gathering everything together to make a page :3

EDIT:
I have the first part of the page ready, and also included a link in the old "Neptune and Odyssey" article to make it a bit easier to get to. I'm currently going through the notes on my story to try and gather all the character details together before I continue.

I did notice, while checking the links in Neptune's article so far, that the technical details in 2k-tan's article was empty. I can quickly write a synopses and add that, while it's on my mind

EDIT2: A brief technical details section was written for 2k's article
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Bella on July 07, 2012, 12:38:30 pm
Good work Pent~

So, yesterday I worked on reforming the [[Category:]] tags somewhat. Things I'd like to accomplish:
-All Minicomputer OS- and computer-tans will be tagged as such
-All Mainframe OS- and computer-tans will be tagged as such, and other large-scale systems that are NOT mainframes will be un-tagged (supercomputers, early computers, etc)
-Early Computers, which, for the sake of clarity I'm considering pre-1960s systems, will be categorized as such
-The Historic category is a bit nebulous, but I'm trying to restrict it to pre-1980s computers
-70s/80s Microcomputers will be tagged as Vintage

That's all I have right now.
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Chocofreak13 on July 07, 2012, 05:34:03 pm
what do we call pre-1940's computers? prehistoric? :\
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Penti-chan on July 07, 2012, 06:39:59 pm
@Bella: Sounds good :3

So, I just put in a first draft of the character details on Neptune. As a quick note, does anybody think linking to Wikipedia's article on Phantasy Star Online is fine, after the mentioning of it in her character description, or would that be a bit too off-topic even if it's a detail mentioned in the original "Neptune and Odyssey" page?
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Chocofreak13 on July 08, 2012, 01:14:11 pm
so long as it doesn't get more than a line or two, i don't see any harm in linking it. it makes sense to link it in the Neptune and Odyssey article too. :\
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Bella on July 08, 2012, 01:30:23 pm
Quote from: Chocofreak13 on July 07, 2012, 05:34:03 pm
what do we call pre-1940's computers? prehistoric? :\


They'd also be lumped in with "early computers", IMO.

Of course, we don't really have any pre-1940s OS-tans yet. If/when we do, we can think about designating another category (like mechanical- or proto-computers) for them.
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Penti-chan on July 08, 2012, 02:06:49 pm
@Bella: So, you mean there's a chance of an Abacus-tan? :3

@Kari: I'm not 100% sure, but I think Aurora was wanting to do away with the old "Neptune and Odyssey" article and replace it with separate articles. So, the only change I've made to that one is linking to Neptune's new article to make it easier to get to
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Chocofreak13 on July 08, 2012, 06:35:31 pm
Quote from: Bella on July 08, 2012, 01:30:23 pm
Quote from: Chocofreak13 on July 07, 2012, 05:34:03 pm
what do we call pre-1940's computers? prehistoric? :\


They'd also be lumped in with "early computers", IMO.

Of course, we don't really have any pre-1940s OS-tans yet. If/when we do, we can think about designating another category (like mechanical- or proto-computers) for them.


um....yes we do. there's Analytical Engine-tan, and HT-tan, the first completed computer (i made the -tan for her). there's no articles on them (yet), but there's enough information to make some. :\

@pent: yeah, that makes sense, like how i'm thinking of splitting the 98-kun and SE-kun articles (though it might be better to keep them together).
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Bella on July 08, 2012, 07:25:22 pm
Sorry, I misspoke. I know about HT-tan and vaguely recall Analytical Engine-tan and Difference Engine-tan (though they seem like a one-shot characters, unfortunately, since their creator is MIA), I just meant that three characters doesn't seem like enough to warrant a new category. I'd put the minimum at like, 10-12 characters.

That's just my opinion though, Aurora might have something else to say.
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Aurora Borealis on July 08, 2012, 07:46:06 pm
That depends on how large the Early Computers section will be, and if it's large enough that the pre-1940's computers should have their own category.

For some updates I did a few days ago: Expanded on DEC Military article, and expanded on PET-tan's article.

Like how there's an "Class" article defining the different types of computers (mainframe, minicomputer,etc.), should we also have a "Historical groupings" article to distinguish between and define: Early Computers, vintage,etc.?

Also for the Class article, should supercomputers be added? But I'm usually not sure of the distinction between supercomputers from high-end mainframes.
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Chocofreak13 on July 09, 2012, 12:54:01 am
guess this is a good time to start researching and making more pre-40's -tans. >w<

and now i'm thinking up stories involving HT-tan. oh jeez, i'm getting ideas. >w>;

i'd agree though, but i'd lower the standard depending on what we're talking about. for example, there will be less Supercomputers and less Antique Computers than Vintage Computers, but i feel they still deserve a say. :3

EDIT: so guys, i just read that The New York World coined the term "Super Computing" in 1931 to refer to a large custom-built Tabulator Computer by IBM. hah hah, HT-tan was related to the first "Super Computer". xD
and upon rereading the line, it seems they built it for Columbia.....could it be HT-tan!? o__o
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tabulating_machine

EDITEDIT: oh yeah, in case it wasn't clear before, HT-tan is the first IBM computer. Her creator, Herman Hollerith, would go on to start the Tabulating Machine Company, which would go on to become IBM. fun, huh? :3
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tabulating_Machine_Company
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Bella on July 09, 2012, 11:20:05 am
Quote from: Aurora Borealis on July 08, 2012, 07:46:06 pm
Like how there's an "Class" article defining the different types of computers (mainframe, minicomputer,etc.), should we also have a "Historical groupings" article to distinguish between and define: Early Computers, vintage,etc.?

Also for the Class article, should supercomputers be added? But I'm usually not sure of the distinction between supercomputers from high-end mainframes.


If you want to make a historical grouping article, I'll try to help with it, but I'll leave that to your discretion.

I briefly considered making a Supercomputer category, but I'm not sure we have enough articles to split them from the Mainframe section just yet ... there're the Crays and some CDC-tans, that's all atm.

Quote from: Chocofreak13 on July 09, 2012, 12:54:01 am
EDITEDIT: oh yeah, in case it wasn't clear before, HT-tan is the first IBM computer. Her creator, Herman Hollerith, would go on to start the Tabulating Machine Company, which would go on to become IBM. fun, huh? :3



Somehow I see SSEC, Havahd Mahk I and HT-tan getting in a herpderp slapping-fight over who claims the title First IBM Computer.

Then the Goddess GMOS comes along and smites all of them.
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Chocofreak13 on July 09, 2012, 03:15:04 pm
psssh, Mark I was renamed from a computer built in the 40's! IBM had been making Tabulators for decades before that. >>;
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Bella on July 19, 2012, 10:23:38 pm
So, Word of God says that Whirlwind-tan does NOT personify both the Whirlwind and TX-0/-1/-2 computers. I assume this is going to throw the OS-tanverse into yet-unknown depths of chaos, but the truth must be known!
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Aurora Borealis on July 19, 2012, 10:51:12 pm
If that's so, is Whirlwind still the mother of PDP-1, and her health still declined starting in the late 50's? Or will that all have to be retconned? @_@
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Bella on July 19, 2012, 10:56:59 pm
Quote from: Aurora Borealis on July 19, 2012, 10:51:12 pm
If that's so, is Whirlwind still the mother of PDP-1, and her health still declined starting in the late 50's? Or will that all have to be retconned? @_@


Well, Stew also confirmed that Whirlwind-tan IS PDP-1-tan's mother. So I guess a hypothetical TX-0/1/2-tan would be PDP-1's older sister.
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: stewartsage on July 19, 2012, 11:26:23 pm
Something like that, yeah.

>>

I never knew it wasn't clear that Whirlwind's decline was due to her use as a testbed for the TX series.  If she actually embodied them, she'd have had, what, a good ten/fifteen more years?
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Bella on July 19, 2012, 11:35:47 pm
Quote from: stewartsage on July 19, 2012, 11:26:23 pm
Something like that, yeah.

>>

I never knew it wasn't clear that Whirlwind's decline was due to her use as a testbed for the TX series.  If she actually embodied them, she'd have had, what, a good ten/fifteen more years?


It was so unclear! Come to think of it, Nej may've originated that idea. And it just sort of ... caught on. >>

And yeah, I was always confused why Whirlwind-sama was in such bad shape if she'd been transformed into TX-tan - since the TX computers were very stable systems. >>;;
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: NejinOniwa on July 23, 2012, 10:46:05 am
What idea did i originate now again?

Also hi, I'm backeth.
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Bella on July 23, 2012, 12:24:46 pm
Something about Whirlwind-tan's surgeries = the transistorization of the Whirlwind computer (aka the TX-0 project).

Maybe I mentioned it first though? I've no freakin' idea at this point. =__=;
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Chocofreak13 on July 23, 2012, 01:15:32 pm
you could always go with the theory that she gave her life force to help the TXes, thus weakening her while strengthening the TXes. i've always heard more about the PDPs, so methinks she may have been the favourite child, but the guilt of favouring one child over the other got to Whirlwind, thus she gave her support to TX-0/1/2-tan?

just a thought. .__.;
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Aurora Borealis on July 23, 2012, 01:27:03 pm
I'm figuring out how to make templates that go at the bottom of a character's article, listing the group or family they belong to.

First one: http://ostan-collections.net/wiki/Template:Windows-tans (http://ostan-collections.net/wiki/Template:Windows-tans)

Will also add the Windows-kuns to a second table in the same template.
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Bella on July 23, 2012, 01:38:46 pm
That actually sounds about right to me, but you'd have to run the idea past Stew since he's the authority on matters Whirlwindish.

I plan on there only being one TX-tan, representing both the TX-0 and TX-2 (they're essentially the same computer, TX-1 isn't listed because it was never built). Physically, I envision TX-tan as being remarkably similar to Whirlwind-tan (the TX-0/-2 was a transistorized Whirlwind), only younger and smaller. She's sort of a transitory figure between Whirlwind-tan and PDP-1 (and LINC-tan, to a lesser degree), but, owing her nature as a "clone", it's unclear whether she is PDP-1's direct ancestor, older sister, or aunt.

I imagine SAGE-tan hated and more or less ignored her (see: that part about TX-tan being a little Whirlwind-tan clone), PDP-1-tan probably treated her as a sister, LINC-tan probably didn't like her very much either.

Quote from: Aurora Borealis on July 23, 2012, 01:27:03 pm
I'm figuring out how to make templates that go at the bottom of a character's article, listing the group or family they belong to.

First one: http://ostan-collections.net/wiki/Template:Windows-tans (http://ostan-collections.net/wiki/Template:Windows-tans)

Will also add the Windows-kuns to a second table in the same template.


That looks amazing! : o

How difficult will it be to make templates like that for other factions/groups?
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Aurora Borealis on July 23, 2012, 02:13:01 pm
@Bella: It might not be that hard, now that I got the first one mostly figured out. First we need to determine what categories should be used. So far, I have in mind:

Apple (Pre-Macintosh, Classic Mac, OSX, other), DEC (subdivisions by lineage), DOS, and Unix (subdivisions not yet determined; either BSD, SysV, hybrid and Research Unix branches, or proprietary vs. Open Source).

The IBM category will be one of the hardest. Among its subdivisions would be: Personal Computer (PC-DOS, OS/2), Mainframe (various hardware-based), Mainframe OSes, ancestors (GMOS, other 40's and 50's IBM systems plus the 1890's tabulating computer made by what would later become IBM). I'm not sure if there should be other subdivisions, like to divide up the mainframe and mainframe OS categories further.
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Penti-chan on July 23, 2012, 02:15:52 pm
As a suggestion, you might want to consider adding a dash or something between the names of the -tans; so it's easier to read. Here's an example from Wikipedia of what I'm talking about (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Microsoft_Windows_family).

That's my only suggestion so far. It's a good start, otherwise ^_^
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Bella on July 23, 2012, 02:17:29 pm
I can help with the DEC and Unix parts.

Personally, I'd lump all the IBM mainframe hardware AND OSes together  ... not sure if that'd be best though...
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Aurora Borealis on July 23, 2012, 02:33:28 pm
@Pentium: Thanks! I added the dashes.

@Bella: Okay. For the Unix section, what set of subdivisions do you think is better?
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Bella on July 23, 2012, 02:44:51 pm
I'm leaning toward having BSD, System V, Research Unix, Hybrid and Non-Linux Unix-like branches.

Propriety and Open Source branches could get very messy very quickly, since many Unixes that started off as proprietary became open-sourced later in life. Not to mention the fact that some Unix-tans (Solaris-tan, for example) can be considered both proprietary and open-sourced at the same time!
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Aurora Borealis on July 23, 2012, 03:32:04 pm
@Bella: Good point. Can you help me with what Unixes are in what subdivision? There are some I'm not sure about, and some I may have left out.

BSD: Ultrix, FreeBSD, NetBSD, OpenBSD, Evoke (Damn Small BSD), NeXTSTEP, Mac OSX, OliveBSD, DragonflyBSD

SysV: HP-UX, AIX, Amiga Unix, UnixWare, SCO Unix

Hybrid: SunOS/Solaris (Sun OS= BSD-based, Solaris = SysV-based, and they are the same character)

Research Unix: Bell Labs Unix, Plan 9, Plan B, Inferno, Octopus

Unix-like (not including Linux): OS-9, QNX, Xinu

unsure: MERT, CB Unix, Xenix (1.0 is Version 7-based, 2.x is SysV-based), IRIX ("based on Unix System V with BSD extensions"), A/UX (SysV-based with features from BSD)
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Bella on July 23, 2012, 04:15:07 pm
MERT and CB Unix would be considered Research Unices (in that they were Bell Labs produced). IRIX, Xenix and A/UX I'd classify as "Hybrids" - or you might want to expand the Hybrid section as Hybrid and Other, since there's a good chance that many non-BSD or SysV Unices are actually a mix of SysV and BSD code.

There's also PWB Unix, another Research Unix, but i'm not sure if that system was ever -tanned (I know Stew talked about it tho...). Minix and The HURD are two for the Unix-Like category.
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Aurora Borealis on July 23, 2012, 04:31:13 pm
Thanks for clearing that up. So now we have:

BSD: Ultrix, FreeBSD, NetBSD, OpenBSD, Evoke (Damn Small BSD), NeXTSTEP, Mac OSX, OliveBSD, DragonflyBSD, Midnight BSD

SysV: HP-UX, AIX, Amiga Unix, UnixWare, SCO Unix

Hybrid and other: SunOS/Solaris, A/UX, IRIX, MilaX (fka: Damn Small Solaris)

Research Unix: Bell Labs Unix, Plan 9, Plan B, Inferno, Octopus, MERT, CB Unix, PWB Unix (if character exists)

Unix-like (not including Linux): OS-9, QNX, Minix

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more I'm not sure of: FreeSBIE, RoFreeSBIE, GNU/HURD, TUNIS, Nexenta, Weenix, Tynix, Xinu
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Bella on July 23, 2012, 04:44:31 pm
Quote from: Aurora Borealis on July 23, 2012, 04:31:13 pm
more I'm not sure of: FreeSBIE, RoFreeSBIE, GNU/HURD, TUNIS, Nexenta, Weenix, Tynix, Xinu


FreeSBIE and RoFreeSBIE are BSDs.

HURD is a Unix-Like.

Weenix, Tynix, TUNIS and Xinu are all early Unix clones, which I think would put them in the category of Hybrid/Other.

Nexenta I'm really not all that familiar with, though I do recall it's based on both Solaris and Ubuntu ... which I think is enough to qualify it for "Other" status.
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Aurora Borealis on July 23, 2012, 05:11:54 pm
Got the template started!

http://ostan-collections.net/wiki/Template:Unix-tans (http://ostan-collections.net/wiki/Template:Unix-tans)


I was also thinking about adding a subsection for related information, such as a link to the Unix Family faction, and another to the Linux/Unix Consortium, and one to the Unix Wars if that gets made too.
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Bella on July 23, 2012, 08:37:59 pm
Looking good so far. :)
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Bella on August 09, 2012, 04:51:07 pm
Did an enormous re-write of Whirlwind's and SAGE-tan's articles.

Though SAGE's is still a work in progress.
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Aurora Borealis on September 02, 2012, 12:27:44 am
Both articles look great!

It sounds about right that Whirlwind-tan would have been adopted since she's an OS-tan and not a hardware-tan, which were regarded as separate species, with hybrid systems bridging the gap. But that raises the question with the DEC-tans, are the OS-tans of each of the DEC minicomputer-tans their daughters by blood or not? Maybe genetic engineering later on made deriving an OS-tan from a hardware-tan possible?

The new info also answered the question of who looked after GENIAC-tan after SAGE had to leave. So GENIAC likely would have fallen into a coma when Whirlwind died or became too sick to look after her.

I created early first drafts for TX-0 and MTC:

*http://ostan-collections.net/wiki/TX-0 (http://ostan-collections.net/wiki/TX-0)
*http://ostan-collections.net/wiki/Memory_Test_Computer (http://ostan-collections.net/wiki/Memory_Test_Computer)

I wasn't sure if I should put anything under the Family and relationships section yet for TX-0, because some info was proposed as theories, but I don't know if any of it is confirmed yet.
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Bella on September 02, 2012, 03:05:18 pm
Quote from: Aurora Borealis on September 02, 2012, 12:27:44 am
Both articles look great!

It sounds about right that Whirlwind-tan would have been adopted since she's an OS-tan and not a hardware-tan, which were regarded as separate species, with hybrid systems bridging the gap. But that raises the question with the DEC-tans, are the OS-tans of each of the DEC minicomputer-tans their daughters by blood or not? Maybe genetic engineering later on made deriving an OS-tan from a hardware-tan possible?


Do you mean that CTSS-tan would have been adopted? The species thing is part of it, but also CTSS really didn't have much of a conceptual relationship with Whirlwind to begin with. Though you can make an (anecdotal) argument that CTSS was distantly related to SAGE, since CTSS' hardware (the IBM 7094) was kind of/sort of a solid-state AN/FSQ-7 (SAGE's hardware).

To be honest, I'm really not sure how the PDP-tans relate to their OSes. There seems to be some sort of relationship between LINC, PDP-8 and the PDP-8 OSes, but I really don't imagine there's much of a relationship between the others .... I've always envisioned the PDP-tans more as CREATORS of their OSes, rather than parents.

QuoteThe new info also answered the question of who looked after GENIAC-tan after SAGE had to leave. So GENIAC likely would have fallen into a coma when Whirlwind died or became too sick to look after her.


I'm pretty sure that Stew's stories stated that Whirlwind-tan cared for GENIAC after SAGE left. I'm not sure what happened to her after Whirlwind fell ill, though.

QuoteI created early first drafts for TX-0 and MTC:

*http://ostan-collections.net/wiki/TX-0 (http://ostan-collections.net/wiki/TX-0)
*http://ostan-collections.net/wiki/Memory_Test_Computer (http://ostan-collections.net/wiki/Memory_Test_Computer)

I wasn't sure if I should put anything under the Family and relationships section yet for TX-0, because some info was proposed as theories, but I don't know if any of it is confirmed yet.


Thanks for starting those! I'm not sure what's confirmed yet either - when I do, I'll expand those articles.
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: stewartsage on September 02, 2012, 03:35:48 pm
I dunno, I think LINC and PDP-8 are probably pretty unusual in looking at their OSes as daughters.  That's just my way of looking at it.
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Bella on September 02, 2012, 03:38:23 pm
Ahh, okay. I really wasn't sure if the PDP-8 OSes were supposed to be their biological or adoptive children.

Any reason why LINC and PDP-8-tan consider their OSes kids?
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Aurora Borealis on September 02, 2012, 06:50:27 pm
I expanded on System/360-kun's article: http://ostan-collections.net/wiki/System/360 (http://ostan-collections.net/wiki/System/360)
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Bella on September 02, 2012, 09:06:37 pm
Thanks for adding to that. ^^ I'd been meaning to expand on it but I didn't have anything... u.u
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Bella on September 07, 2012, 02:23:16 am
Something I've been mulling for awhile: Do you think we should have a brief section in the character articles to discuss the real-world background of characters? Such as circumstances of creation, creators involved, canon/fanon revisions to the characters, etc. I know some articles have something approaching this (for instance, discussion of different artists' personifications of one system - for instance, Leopard-tan's and Linux-tan's articles), but very few have mentions of the circumstances under which a character is created or creators.
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Aurora Borealis on September 07, 2012, 02:36:52 am
Yes, that sounds good.
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Bella on October 08, 2012, 11:33:45 pm
Re-wrote RSX-tan's article with updated character information:

http://ostan-collections.net/wiki/RSX

I left out her personality though, since that's still under (re)development.

Also, I didn't list her human name since recently-uncovered information has called into question whether or not she should bear the surname "Cutler". As it turns out, RSX-11 is based on an older PDP-15 OS called RSX-15, which Dave Cutler played no part in creating.
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Aurora Borealis on October 08, 2012, 11:40:58 pm
Well done! I didn't know that RSX's origins were so humble, and that she spent time working in factories and offices before rising to greatness! However, I thought VAXELN was created in the 1990's, shortly before DEC's demise? Also wasn't it originally intended for alchemy to run in the DEC family, but now I think about it, most of the DECs don't seem like the type who would use sorcery in battle, preferring melee combat instead.
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Bella on October 09, 2012, 01:58:58 am
I've been working on developing the DEC OS-tan's personalities better, since I created them yeaaaaaars ago and in hindsight a lot of them are on the simplistic side. After all, in the time since I first envisioned RSX-tan, I've learned a TON more about the actual OS - I should incorporate those findings into its -tan.

For instance, i didn't know that RSX-11 actually originated on the PDP-15, or that it started off as a simple paper-tape executive when I first designed RSX-tan. It just makes sense that RSX-tan would have started off as a low-level employee, and slowly become more and more (physically, magically AND socially) powerful as she gained ever more high-profile work. At the peak of her career, she would have rivaled RSTS-tan in terms of popularity - even though RSTS-tan was BORN into a somewhat high position (reflecting RSTS's place as the flagship PDP-11 timesharing system) and RSX started off as a mere plebeian. ^^;

It's also interesting to note that RT-11-tan would have also been born into a somewhat low social rank (reflecting RT-11's role as mainly as a data acquisition/process control system - it was never meant to be a big, full-feature OS with multitasking, multiuser or time-sharing capabilities). And for the most part, RT-11-tan STAYED in that position ... it really does shed light on her glum personality and tendency toward introversion.

Quote from: Aurora Borealis on October 08, 2012, 11:40:58 pm
However, I thought VAXELN was created in the 1990's, shortly before DEC's demise?

My timeline must've been messed up - VAXELN was actually created in 1987.

Quote from: Aurora Borealis on October 08, 2012, 11:40:58 pmAlso wasn't it originally intended for alchemy to run in the DEC family, but now I think about it, most of the DECs don't seem like the type who would use sorcery in battle, preferring melee combat instead.


I think I botched that statement pretty badly. >< I meant to suggest that the majority of DEC-tans don't employ sorcery in battle.
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Aurora Borealis on October 09, 2012, 02:21:40 am
Good finds! A week or two ago, I added some more info to Lisa's backstory, and rewrote part of A/UX's article for quality control, but need to add more of her backstory.

It's interesting that despite being pretty informal, the DEC faction had a hierarchy that every DEC-tan was born into, but it's good that some of them achieved upward mobility. :)

Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Bella on October 09, 2012, 01:25:03 pm
It's not just present in DEC culture though - I imagine an OS-tan's use would play a role in their social status. That is to say, timesharing and multi-user os-tans would be more prone to higher social positions and extroversion, while single-user systems would be more introverted and process control and data-acquisition systems would generally have more blue-collar-ish jobs than their timesharing and multi-user system counterparts.

But I'll stop here ... I think this is a discussion better left for the Theories thread.

Quote from: Aurora Borealis on October 09, 2012, 02:21:40 am
Good finds! A week or two ago, I added some more info to Lisa's backstory, and rewrote part of A/UX's article for quality control, but need to add more of her backstory.


I'll go check out their articles right away. ^.^

I'm working on RT-11-tan's article and want to redo RSTS-tan's as well. I'd also like to bring Ultrix-tan's article up-to-date, and work on BSD-sama's too. x.x
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Bella on October 11, 2012, 10:45:10 pm
RT-11-tan's article is up!

http://ostan-collections.net/wiki/RT-11
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: stewartsage on October 12, 2012, 05:32:30 pm
Huzzah DECs!
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Bella on October 12, 2012, 06:05:20 pm
I'm workin' on RSTS-tan's article~
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Bella on October 20, 2012, 11:07:55 pm
I FINALLY made a partial article for Wimex! (http://ostan-collections.net/wiki/WWMCCS)

I don't know why it took me so long to tackle this one, but I guess the timing was good, 'cause it coincides with my Cuban Missile Crisis 50th Anniversary Celebration. (Which has, thus far, been observed with cake and general gratitude that I'm not currently living in an apocalyptic hellscape).


Er... getting back onto topic... ^^'

Here are some other things I worked on:
-Update of Ultrix-tan's article (http://ostan-collections.net/wiki/Ultrix). Still need to complete the history section. @Aurora, would you happen to have a larger version of the avatar used there? I really like it and would like to keep it, but the res is too low. : (
-Started an article for DOS/360 (http://ostan-collections.net/wiki/DOS/360), using information I gathered from Stew. History section still needs to be completed.
-Complete article for TENEX-tan (http://ostan-collections.net/wiki/TOPS-20), though I'd like to pick out a human name and weapon/power for her.
-Filled out history section in LINC-tan's article. (http://ostan-collections.net/wiki/LINC)
-Updated OS/8's article (http://ostan-collections.net/wiki/OS/8)
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Aurora Borealis on October 20, 2012, 11:39:06 pm
Great job with all of that! :D I don't have a 200x200 version of Ultrix's avatar pic yet, but since the original is a vector, I can make the scaled up version with no problem.
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Bella on October 20, 2012, 11:50:53 pm
Thanks, that would be good. :)
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Bella on October 31, 2012, 12:58:49 am
Started expansion on WAITS-tan's article (http://ostan-collections.net/wiki/index.php?title=WAITS).
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Chocofreak13 on October 31, 2012, 03:10:34 pm
dustii's zealous talk of windows 8 and the creation of the article for it is getting me hyped up to clean up some articles and fix up some of the os-kun articles. (poor kyourou only has 3 sentences and a picture....) hopefully i'll get to it today, but i might save it for friday since i have homework and i can just put svu on in the background. =w=
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: DustiiWolf on October 31, 2012, 05:15:25 pm
Theres a topic for this! how about that...

@chocofreak13: i didnt CREATE an article for 8, i merely overhauled it (it was old, outdated, very uninformative, & it was a stub)

i ALSO created a page for claudia (Windows Azure (http://ostan-collections.net/wiki/index.php?title=Windows_Azure)) (Is a stub, needs more information)

Oh, and updated Windows 8 (http://ostan-collections.net/wiki/index.php?title=Windows_8)
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Bella on November 01, 2012, 12:59:47 am
I was on such a wiki-writing kick! But I think I burned myself out.... :L
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Chocofreak13 on November 01, 2012, 11:20:11 am
@dustii: copying my colour trend....? >w>
that said, it's a moot point saying you didn't create it. you worked on it. who cares. (though, if it was a stub with <5 sentences, that sort of counts as "creation" in my book.)

@bella: i think that's what happened when i was writing them awhile back. :\
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Penti-chan on November 01, 2012, 11:25:03 am
Once I get back to writing my story, I plan on finishing up the page on Neptune-tan.

Although, I might scour around for some info on Fedora-tan (The character (http://ostan-collections.net/imeeji/displayimage.php?pos=-2611)) and make a page for her sometime soon
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Penti-chan on November 02, 2012, 04:31:45 pm
Sorry for the double post, but I have a question.

Does anybody know if there's an annex bio for Fedora-tan? I looked in the Wiki, but didn't see one
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Bella on November 02, 2012, 10:40:43 pm
A quick check of Ye Olde Annex Project Thread (http://ostan-collections.net/forum/index.php/topic,231.0.html) reveals there's no annex bio for Fedora-tan.

EDIT: I've been thinking of making some table/list of OS-tan type traits (for different hardware, software and OS-tan types - for example, timesharing systems, real time systems, single-user computers, mainframes, database systems, etc). Does this sound like something that'd be useful for the wiki?
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Aurora Borealis on November 02, 2012, 11:42:13 pm
@Pentium: No Annex bio for her, but some details to suggest:

-She is RedHat-tan's younger sister who is also sort of her successor too. Fedora was released in 2003, the same year that the original RedHat Linux, originally a general user OS got discontinued. RedHat Linux was replaced with RedHat Enterprise Linux, which is business and server-oriented. RedHat-tan got a career as a business woman. Fedora-tan was raised by her to be a general user OS, filling the niche RedHat-tan was originally in.

-Her origins were humble but she rose to great success.

-Her main rivals would be Ubuntu, Linux Mint, the current OSX version and current Windows version. Fedora, along with Ubuntu and Linux Mint are three of the most popular general user Linux OSes who are also on the cutting-edge when it comes to software. Fedora has a new version every 6 months and includes the latest software, even if it's not as stable as the older build.

-She has a zest for life, sense of initiative and eager to be the first to start a trend or adapt technology, but can be brash and a bit reckless, sometimes compromising stability for the latest software. In this regard, she has outpaced her older sister, who values stability more, but turns to her to know about the latest trends in technology!

-Being on the cutting edge, she'd also see the current OSX and Windows-tans as rivals. Red Hat-tan is also just as competitive, but her main rivals are SCO Unix, possibly also Solaris, SuSE (which also has an Enterprise version) and is more focused on keeping her rank in the Linux/Unix Consortium. Fedora also has a high rank in the LUC, but cares less about that and is more focused on the computing world at large.

@Bella: That sounds interesting. What do you have in mind specifically? Maybe we could discuss some of this in the theories thread.
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Bella on November 02, 2012, 11:47:17 pm
Quote from: Aurora Borealis on November 02, 2012, 11:42:13 pm@Bella: That sounds interesting. What do you have in mind specifically? Maybe we could discuss some of this in the theories thread.


I'm actually not sure yet. I'm torn between doing a rather dry and informative list, a more whimsical "job-description"-like write-up, or just jotting down some of my thoughts on the subject. :z You're right though, we should probably take any discussion of this to the Theories thread.
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Chocofreak13 on November 03, 2012, 12:31:54 am
created 3.1-kun's article. currently working on 98-kun, and will do the remaining -kuns i can tomorrow. considering creating -kun articles for norton and trend micro.

also, is it possible to rename the list of os-kuns to "List of OS-kuns"? we have a "List of OS-tans", which is linked to in damn near every article with [[list of OS-tans]], but i tried to do the same for the -kuns and it redlinked me. :\[/list]
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Chocofreak13 on November 03, 2012, 01:08:26 pm
....what is that "[/list]" tag at the end? i didn't type it, and every time i try to get rid of it, it reappears. ><;

anyway, i've been working on the -kun articles and i've been noticing that a good deal of the regular -tan articles could use some cleaning. (shouldn't we be cleaning the existing articles before making new ones....?)

that said, i came across an article (well, stub is more accurate) for OSX-tan (http://ostan-collections.net/wiki/index.php?title=OSX), which, frankly, is pathetic. i was going to update it when pent drew my attention to theMac OS (http://ostan-collections.net/wiki/index.php?title=MacOS) article, which is basically OSX-tan in a nutshell. i have seen very few designs of the OSX-tan described in the article (the one with the long hair and the beret), and was wondering if we could please merge these articles.

i might also take it upon myself to clean up some of the articles we have (addition of pictures for infoboxes, addition of technical details sections to articles, removal of outdated information, etc). though it'd be nice to have a little help. >>;
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Aurora Borealis on November 03, 2012, 01:25:53 pm
@Choco: Good work with 3.1-kun's article!

A lot of articles really do need some clean-up, and I agree that the OSX-tan and Mac-tan articles should be merged. That old OSX-tan design that's not used anymore could be mentioned in a new section in the Mac-tan article, something like 'other character designs'. I've seen some other one-shot OSX-tan designs and could include those too.

EDIT: 98-kun's and 98SE-kun's articles are pretty good, but don't suggest that 98SE-kun is gay just because of his appearance. Not all gay men are effeminate, and not all effeminate men are gay.
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: stewartsage on November 03, 2012, 01:46:14 pm
Sounds like some formatting in the article itself is triggering the generation of it then.
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Penti-chan on November 03, 2012, 02:42:08 pm
I just made the article for Fedora-tan (http://ostan-collections.net/wiki/index.php?title=Fedora), before the info from Aurora in this topic got buried (And also bringing up something from RedHat-tan's bio that ties in)

Any thoughts?
I plan on getting a better pic up there later, but for now, I think it'll do
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Aurora Borealis on November 03, 2012, 02:56:44 pm
@Pentium: Looks good! I added a description of a third design, that's a combination of the other two.
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Chocofreak13 on November 03, 2012, 03:17:40 pm
@aurora: yes, not all effeminate men are gay. but SE-kun is. there's evidence in the pictures and other stuff i've seen around the net.

i'm not sure how to approach moving the articles, so are you going to, or would you prefer me to do it?

i've made OSX-kun's article. will now work on updating the -kun articles that exist with little information. first up, ME-kun.
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Aurora Borealis on November 03, 2012, 03:30:11 pm
I could work on merging the OSX and Mac articles.
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Penti-chan on November 03, 2012, 04:24:56 pm
@Aurora: Thanks. I didn't know a 3rd design existed, so thanks for adding it

I suppose next I could look through some of the other -tan articles and see what needs to be updated. I also need to get back to work on my story, so I can finish fleshing out Neptune; allowing me to finish her article
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: DustiiWolf on November 03, 2012, 05:34:10 pm
Anyone know whats up with this? I see this time and again all around the wiki.
(See Attachment)
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Bella on November 03, 2012, 05:41:29 pm
Quote from: DustiiWolf on November 03, 2012, 05:34:10 pm
Anyone know whats up with this? I see this time and again all around the wiki.
(See Attachment)


That's where the avatar goes.
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: DustiiWolf on November 03, 2012, 06:04:47 pm
Well i know that, but why is it showing that text instead? (ive come across other articles with no image in the infobar that didnt have that text. i cant remember what they are, but still.)
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Penti-chan on November 03, 2012, 06:42:03 pm
I added some technical details on NT-tan's article

Would you think that NT-tan would count all the NT-based versions of Windows prior to 2000? I ask because her info box seems a little inaccurate; with it saying her last stable release was an NT 3.51 service pack from 1996, when there were NT 4.0 service packs until 2001
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Aurora Borealis on November 03, 2012, 06:55:45 pm
NT-tan, the mother, is thought to represent NT up to 3.51, and the dog girl NT-tan is thought to represent NT 4.0.
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Penti-chan on November 03, 2012, 07:00:23 pm
Thanks. I wanted to be sure before I changed that bit of info

I'm likely going to go through and find other Windows-tans that lack technical info; given that Windows history is a specialty of mine :3
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: DustiiWolf on November 03, 2012, 10:12:03 pm
Updated the Multimedia links for the Subbed Troubled Windows Opening (http://ostan-collections.net/wiki/index.php?title=OS-tan_Multimedia#Troubled_Windows_.28.22Sakuranbo_Kissu.22.29).

The original subbed video used a font that was hard(er) to read and was very low resolution, so i personally jotted down the lyrics from the sub, took the original flash in full screen (Metro Chrome,to be exact), and a screen recorder, recorded the video, aligned the audio, re-added the captions (Using a better font thats funner and brighter to read) in Movie Maker, and uploaded it to YouTube in a shining 720p HD. :) (link (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8VNod5lPX9o))

Im currently working on a transcript file for the video to upload to YouTube.
transcripted. now it supports the transcript tab below the video, as well as YouTube Captions (Pointless for english viewers, since this is subbed, but good for foreign viewers using "translate captions")
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Chocofreak13 on November 04, 2012, 01:03:30 am
@dustii: no! bad! bad dustii! proper grammar is important for subtitling! if you're going to do it, make sure to properly space your text and include apostrophes in your "I'm"s!
(btw, i agree the font is more suiting, but i'll tell you the history behind the yellow block letters: when the first subtitled anime came out, it was subbed using that block font, possibly because it was cheap, easy to read, situation-neutral, or was the default on the video editor. a lot of bootleg anime still uses it today, as do some uncut series (i have a dvd with the subs in that font). there's history behind it, is all.)

also, the audio track on your version of it seems a touch garbled. it could have been because i have a lot of tabs up, but i've never had a problem like that before, so was it poor quality audio to begin with? because i can get you better audio if need be. (though, tbh, i don't really see the need for an HD version, i was always able to read the old one just fine....)
if you're going to update the original Troubled Windows section of the multimedia article, it might be good to include the alternate version (it has different pics). it can be found in the os-tan playlist i've compiled on youtube. (http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLC4C4EA2B17069C8A)

as for the empty text spaces in the articles, it's my understanding that they're placeholders for images that were either removed to make room for higher res ones, or that were deleted from the wiki entirely. if you feel the need, go ahead and take it upon yourself to upload an image of the -tan in question and attach it. that was part of the "article cleanup" i mentioned.

made the ME-kun article. took me much longer than anticipated, but i had a friend over today, so i think i'm justified.
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: DustiiWolf on November 04, 2012, 01:18:51 am
Sorry about the I'm's. ;w; force of habit (i used to have my pc a long time ago setup to correct Im as I'm)

and its your tabs. It plays smoothly on my end, and ive got damn near the worst excuse for "high-speed" internet in existence.
The audio i used was from i higher def (but still not 720p) video without the subtitles, so if the original link was just fine, than the new one should be AT LEAST just as good. (I tested the video in youtube after uploading)

The alternate version should also be listed on the Multimedia page? D: right under the current one! (Checked. It Is.)

Also, No we didnt necessarily NEED a higher def. one, but the original one when played on a current day device in full screen contained blurriness and loss of quality, making it harder to read the subtitles. The newer one is a lot nicer, with easier to read subs, and when played in its highest resolution (720p), there is no loss of quality when played full screen (at least on my monitor there isnt {1366x768}).

edit: properly space? i did! D: i used single spacing. word[spacebar]word[spacebar]etc...! Hows that not proper?
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Chocofreak13 on November 04, 2012, 01:56:24 am
"as you strikethe keys, your eyes get closer."

the interactive one is listed under the one you posted. the alternate one shows some of the other possibilities, since even with 5 run throughs you're not guaranteed to see all the options.
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Bella on November 04, 2012, 01:13:06 am
A question for Aurora mainly, though I'd appreciate the input of others as well:

I've been thinking of ways we can get more info on various OS-tans FROM the forum threads and ONTO the wiki, where they stand a much better chance of being found by any infomation-seekers out there. While there's lots of info on the wiki and some highly comprehensive articles, there's still a lot of anecdotal information, theories and the like that haven't found there way into their proper articles.

While we should strive to produced fleshed-out articles (i.e., more than a line or two or a bulleted list), I'm wondering if it would be in bad form to collect various theories, anecdata, etc. from the different forum threads and post them, verbatim, on the wiki? I realize this could turn quite messy quite quickly (especially when you consider that most of these theories are presented in a first-person, out-of-universe perspective), but perhaps if we presented it as a quotation, assigned to a certain user and perhaps even with some sort of reference back to its original thread it wouldn't be as bad?

I was going to post an example, but I've gone and tired myself out writing this. >>
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Penti-chan on November 04, 2012, 01:15:01 am
Sounds like an interesting idea; given how many theories have been thrown around on the forums that have never found their way into the wiki
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Chocofreak13 on November 04, 2012, 01:30:49 am
in the past, i've used "it has been said" or "it seems" or "it's been suggested" when i list something that i'm only 85% sure of in an article. extending this, if you made it clear that the lines added were user-based and not yet set in stone, i don't see a problem, provided it's all combined into a logical, cohesive format.

if we want to get things more concrete, i could reboot the theory thread again. >w>
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Bella on November 04, 2012, 01:41:56 am
We already have a Theories and Notes section in most of the articles. (Or at least the ones made by Aurora and I).
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Aurora Borealis on November 04, 2012, 02:18:52 am
It would be in bad form, but including quotes from threads may be necessary so things don't get forgotten. To lessen the effect, those quotes could be put in the theories section, but also include the {{Cleanup}} template under that section to indicate that is temporary, and we intend to integrate that information into the article proper.
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Chocofreak13 on November 04, 2012, 02:53:54 am
i see it as a greater project that needs to be dealt with, likely in a branch thread. if you make one, i'll participate. but in the meantime, i'm thinking of making my own mini-project thread here to deal with the overall issue of os-tan names.
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: DustiiWolf on November 04, 2012, 06:25:37 am
a second major update to the Windows 8 (http://ostan-collections.net/wiki/index.php?title=Windows_8)

Changes:


Also adding more Ai & Yu images in the gallery (http://ostan-collections.net/imeeji/)
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Chocofreak13 on November 04, 2012, 01:03:28 pm
yay, new gallery images! ^^

nice on the updates, btw. i might use that basic info box since some of that stuff isn't listed for specific -tans/-kuns. :3
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Penti-chan on November 04, 2012, 01:47:49 pm
So, yesterday I revised the technical info section of ME-tan's article; correcting some errors and adding a few more details on the OS. I thought I mentioned it already, but I guess I forgot ^_^;;
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Chocofreak13 on November 04, 2012, 01:49:42 pm
i'll have a look later and see how the me-kun article's technical section stacks up.
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Penti-chan on November 04, 2012, 01:55:10 pm
Alright :3

I also just added a pic to HURD-tan (http://ostan-collections.net/wiki/index.php?title=The_HURD)'s page; since I noticed it was missing and I had artwork of her lying around

EDIT: I found a few other characters I have some artwork of to fill in the blanks. Currently doing so for Amiga-tan
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Bella on November 04, 2012, 02:14:06 pm
Remember to use a 200 x 200 px avatar.
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Penti-chan on November 04, 2012, 02:15:43 pm
I knew there was some important detail I was forgetting. Now to resize everything and reupload it, unless there's some code to make it display smaller

It seems to automatically display at approx. 200x200. HURD-tan's pic could be revised a bit, admittidly

EDIT: I think I got it fixed with HURD-tan's pic. I had some issues with the updated version not displaying properly, but it looks fine now
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Bella on November 04, 2012, 08:31:07 pm
Looks good Pentium! If you need artwork for any more avatars, let me know, I may be able to point you in the right direction.

I updated Solaris-tan's article, and want to make an article for BSD too. I'm also thinking of doing some cleanup-y things, such as classifying short articles as "stubs", classifying articles that are ongoing/unfinished as "WIP", etc.
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: stewartsage on November 04, 2012, 08:54:40 pm
I kept meaning to avatarize some drawings for avatars, but it would've been a hack job so it's probably for the best I never did.
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Bella on November 04, 2012, 09:02:10 pm
Quote from: stewartsage on November 04, 2012, 08:54:40 pm
I kept meaning to avatarize some drawings for avatars, but it would've been a hack job so it's probably for the best I never did.


Nonsense! We can always use your avataring efforts! ;0;
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Aurora Borealis on November 04, 2012, 09:41:27 pm
@Bella: Excellent work on Solaris-tan's article! It never was specified precisely why Solaris-tan started a coffee shop, aside from a reference to Sun's Java, but I agree with the idea she started a coffee shop not in spite of her high social status, but because of it. It is an attempt at humility, but whether she really chose to do that or was coerced into that is another story. I'd like to draw a comic about that too. :P

Her strained relation with Unix sounds right. Unix is proud to have such a powerful and accomplished granddaughter, a shining example of the bloodline, but is disappointed by her continued arrogance. Unix is probably wandering where did she go wrong with her daughters and granddaughters. Those are accomplished are among the most arrogant.

Inversely, I thought Unix would tolerate A/UX-tan because although A/UX-tan is low-ranking, at least she didn't contribute to the in-fighting of the Unix Wars and is fairly down-to-earth... Or did she? I imagined she didn't because of her loyalties to the Apple Family, and that she cared more about being there for them than the possible social status and riches to be earned from fighting in the Unix Wars. :-/
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Bella on November 04, 2012, 10:02:36 pm
Oooh, I'd like to see a comic about the founding of Solaris-tan's coffee shop. I'm fond of the Unix-tan-Made-Her-Do-It hypothesis, mostly because that sounds just like something Unix-tan - with her love of challenging her children and pushing them to their very limits - would do to teach Solaris-tan a lesson. @__@;;

You're very right about the most accomplished Unix-tans often being the most arrogant. There's really not a lot Unix-tan could have done to keep it from happening, I don't think, besides teaching them to be more humble and telling them how dangerous being seized with power can be. Of course, the Unix family IS notoriously poor at learning from past mistakes and taking heed of warnings ... she may not have been able to change them, even if she tried.

I've always assumed Unix-tan would be ambivalent, or even slightly favorable of A/UX-tan. Unix does possess a soft spot for the most independent of her children - while she doesn't tolerate outright rebellion, she dislikes sycophants as well.   
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Penti-chan on November 05, 2012, 11:26:01 am
@Bella: Alright, I require your picture-hunting skills

Do you know if we have any pics of Minix-tan? It looks like her pic got deleted
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Bella on November 05, 2012, 11:51:10 am
There are only a few pictures of Minix-tan, however they're all quite old...


http://ostan-collections.net/imeeji/displayimage.php?pos=-7057
http://ostan-collections.net/imeeji/displayimage.php?pos=-6719
http://ostan-collections.net/imeeji/displayimage.php?pos=-4512
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Penti-chan on November 05, 2012, 12:07:44 pm
Thanks. She has a pic now :3
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Bella on November 05, 2012, 06:00:11 pm
Thanks Pent. : )

Added some more theories to the Character Theories article (which I may rename "general theories" or something like that because it's moved really far past character and faction theories), and more info to the Life and Death section.
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Penti-chan on November 06, 2012, 11:32:43 am
Something I did think about, while looking around the wiki earlier. Should we make a disambiguation page for Windows XP; given that the pages for the Windows-tans are generally named as "Windows [version name \ number]", and with multiple versions of XP, it seems like it'd be nice

It seems like a good idea to me, but what does everyone else think?
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Bella on November 06, 2012, 11:50:52 am
That sounds like it would be a good idea to me.
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Penti-chan on November 06, 2012, 12:03:14 pm
Ok, it seems it already exists (http://ostan-collections.net/wiki/index.php?title=XP_Family). Should I setup a redirect for when someone searches "Windows XP", it'll take them to this page?

EDIT: Also, added a pic to Homeko's article
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Bella on November 09, 2012, 04:46:18 pm
Because I'm obsessed with order, I was just sorting a bunch of uncategorized pages on the wiki.

Two things:
I'm thinking of renaming the "OS-tan Wars" article "OS-tan Conflicts", and having sections for all the documented OS-tan conflicts - the OS Wars, Unix Wars, and that conflict involving the DEC and CDC-tans. http://ostan-collections.net/wiki/index.php?title=OS-tan_Wars

Can we get rid of the OSC Manga page, since we also have the OSC Manga and Literature Guide which is way more informative anyway? http://ostan-collections.net/wiki/index.php?title=OSC_Manga_Guide
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Penti-chan on November 09, 2012, 05:45:08 pm
Sounds like a good idea to me; just carry over any info from the old manga guide to the current one, and maybe set the old one as a redirect just in case.

Also, does anyone think I should add my series, Director Who, to the literature guide? It may not be 100% about OS-tans, but they do pop up often enough for me to feel it's worth a mention (Also, 2k-tan is part of the main cast)
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Penti-chan on November 09, 2012, 07:08:39 pm
@Aurora: I remember zerOSanity. The final reboot of it was actually one of the inspirations for the sillier short stories I write :3

I added the Director Who series to the article under literature, only listing the installments I can remember off the top of my head that have stronger ties to the OS-tan universe than simply "2k-tan is there" (To clarify, the ones in which other OS-tans play a role in the plot). If anybody thinks it wouldn't be out of place, I could make an article with details on my series (Listing all installments, details on the plot, brief character bios, and anything else of note)
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Aurora Borealis on November 09, 2012, 07:16:42 pm
I liked the final version of ZS, but the full page format was unsustainable (it is difficult enough to do with my original story, and trying to balance that with another comic in the same format was too much). Glad it was one of your inspirations though! :D
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Bella on November 11, 2012, 02:28:09 pm
Aw. : ( I'd have left it on the record, if only for the sake of historical accuracy. But then again I'm quite obsessed with collecting/recording information... >>

Also, how do I make redirects? Mediawiki help says they can be made by making a page with "#REDIRECT [[pagename]]" in it. Is that right?

More will come up when I find them, but right now I want to make a VSE -> DOS/360 redirect, as well as one for GNU/Linux -> Linux, WinNT -> Windows NT. I'm also trying to eliminate unused "wanted" pages created through improper linking, etc.
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Penti-chan on November 11, 2012, 03:19:47 pm
@Bella: Yep; redirects are made like that. I've made a few to patch up some red links before :3
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Bella on November 12, 2012, 03:39:50 pm
Kk.

Over the last day, I've attempted a ton of cleanup work .... changing bad links, getting rid of dead-end links, etc, and making pages for the different "category" sections.

In the new article department, I think I'm gonna work on documenting some of the guys right now, since the non-canon -kun's have been around for awhile and yet haven't had many articles made. :z

Started things off by uploading Emacs-kun (http://ostan-collections.net/wiki/index.php?title=Emacs)'s article, and making one for FASTRAND-kun (http://ostan-collections.net/wiki/index.php?title=FASTRAND) too.

Emacs' needs some work, but I'm pretty satisfied with FASTRAND's considering I had noooo idea how i was going to pull off anything more than a stub, since there really isn't a lot documented about him. x.x;;
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Bella on November 21, 2012, 06:58:11 pm
Yo, Aurora ... can I get 200x200px versions of these avatars?

http://ostan-collections.net/wiki/images/0/03/DRDOS.png
http://ostan-collections.net/wiki/images/4/47/FreeDOS-1.png

(I may add to this list as I find others)
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Aurora Borealis on December 02, 2012, 12:00:54 am
@Bella: I can't seem to find those in 200x200 size. I may have lost the original svg files. :(

Great work on the new articles you've been making though!
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Bella on December 02, 2012, 01:22:28 pm
Aw, that's too bad. :( Is there any way to modify the template so that I can use 100x100 avatars if I can't find a 200x200 one that'll work? Or would that be too much work? I ask because you've made a lot of really nice avatars for characters that have no other color artwork, and I wish I could use them without having them stretched out and distorted.

Thanks a lot! Cleaning up/filling out the wiki and creating new articles has become a minor obsession of mine as of late. x.x I've kind of been all over the place, but are there any sections or articles you'd like to see worked on?
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Tsubashi on December 10, 2012, 01:13:10 pm
I (in an executive-order-type-of-move) modified the template to allow you to specify the image size, and also took the liberty of converting all the pages that used the OSinfobox100px to the standard OSinfobox. I feel this will be better in the long run and will prevent fragmenting if the style of the boxes should change.

Apologies if this was overstepping my bounds.
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Bella on December 10, 2012, 01:27:10 pm
Yo Tsubashi! I saw on the change-log that you'd been doing some wiki editing last night, but i wasn't sure if my eyes were deceiving me!

I already made up a 100px template, but this'll probably work better ..... how exactly does it work? (I'd look at the source, but the wiki's being slow to load. -__-)
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Tsubashi on December 10, 2012, 01:31:06 pm
Yes, it is me. I might not be back long, but I figured I ought to contribute while I was.

Basically I just added another parameter to the OSinfobox. After specifying an image file (eg. |image=picture.png) you can specify the size (eg. |imgsize=100x100px). For backwards comparability purposes, it defaults to 200x200px if you do not include imgsize.
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Bella on December 10, 2012, 01:35:41 pm
Okay, that sounds really useful! Thanks a lot. :)

While you're here, you should drop by some of the other threads. It's not often we see you after all. ;u;
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Tsubashi on December 10, 2012, 03:23:50 pm
I noticed a visual discrepancy between the info box and level 2 headers. The line seems to pass through the infobox. If the admins could add overflow:hidden; to lines 122 and 228 of ostan-collections.net/wiki/skins/monobook/main.css, that would solve the problem.

Just a thought.
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: NejinOniwa on December 10, 2012, 03:25:52 pm
Holy shit, it's a wild Tsubashi.

I'm honestly too surprised to even throw a pokeball at it.
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Tsubashi on December 10, 2012, 03:34:54 pm
Indeed it is. ^.^
Glad to see I am yet again still remembered. Hopefully I can stick around more consistently this time.
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Bella on December 10, 2012, 07:08:35 pm
Quote from: Tsubashi on December 10, 2012, 03:34:54 pm
Indeed it is. ^.^
Glad to see I am yet again still remembered. Hopefully I can stick around more consistently this time.


You'd be surprised, I still remember and miss a lot of our old members (C-chan, Siya, Alfamile, Techno The Fox, MisterCat and New Yinzer among others) and I know i'm not alone. It would be great to see you around more often! ;v;

Quote from: Tsubashi on December 10, 2012, 03:23:50 pm
I noticed a visual discrepancy between the info box and level 2 headers. The line seems to pass through the infobox. If the admins could add overflow:hidden; to lines 122 and 228 of ostan-collections.net/wiki/skins/monobook/main.css, that would solve the problem.

Just a thought.


Good to know, should we pass this info onto the admins?
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Chocofreak13 on December 10, 2012, 07:10:37 pm
@nej: i'm not. *chucks fastball*

this was ages ago, but i cleaned up some os-kun articles. reading osx-kun's article makes me think i left it either partially finished or got cut off in the middle by something, so i might go back and tweak it. it also looks like kyourou's article was never even worked on, so i'll go in and work it soon.

i know nothing about DSL-kun, and definitely not Oralux-kun, so can someone either go in and make those or delete the articles? i've seen artwork of neither.

i also find it worth mentioning that the OS-kun page was rather hard to get to. is there any way we can just bring up the page in search?
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Bella on December 10, 2012, 07:14:00 pm
Quote from: Chocofreak13 on December 10, 2012, 07:10:37 pm
@nej: i'm not. *chucks fastball*

this was ages ago, but i cleaned up some os-kun articles. reading osx-kun's article makes me think i left it either partially finished or got cut off in the middle by something, so i might go back and tweak it. it also looks like kyourou's article was never even worked on, so i'll go in and work it soon.

i know nothing about DSL-kun, and definitely not Oralux-kun, so can someone either go in and make those or delete the articles? i've seen artwork of neither.

i also find it worth mentioning that the OS-kun page was rather hard to get to. is there any way we can just bring up the page in search?


There's a DSL-kun article, I remember seeing it yesterday. Anyway, he's a well-established character so his article'll stay (though it needs an info box), as for Oralux, I recall Oralux-tan (she's the blind chicken-girl) but my recollection of Oralux-kun is fuzzier. I'll have to go through Siya's old character creation thread to look for info.....
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Tsubashi on December 10, 2012, 08:08:55 pm
Quote from: Chocofreak13 on December 10, 2012, 07:10:37 pm
@nej: i'm not. *chucks fastball*


*winces as fast ball ricochets off his head*
Ow....

Quote from: Bella on December 10, 2012, 07:08:35 pm
Quote from: Tsubashi on December 10, 2012, 03:23:50 pm
... visual discrepancy ...


Good to know, should we pass this info onto the admins?


Well, I first wanted to check if everyone else saw it. I checked the major browsers on OS X and Ubuntu, but I have not checked windows yet. I was hoping for a little more feedback before we message the admins.
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Chocofreak13 on December 10, 2012, 10:42:56 pm
@bella: i'm aware there's an article, i was asking people more knowledgable on the subject than i to help fill in the blanks or eliminate the blanks alltogether. since DSL-kun is well-established, i'll leave it to you to fill in the details. *places hand on shoulder* ganbatte! >:3

@tsu: *hands icepack*
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Bella on December 11, 2012, 12:18:51 pm
Quote from: Tsubashi on December 10, 2012, 08:08:55 pm
Well, I first wanted to check if everyone else saw it. I checked the major browsers on OS X and Ubuntu, but I have not checked windows yet. I was hoping for a little more feedback before we message the admins.


Can you post a screencap of the problem? I'm not exactly sure what you're describing, because I didn't notice anything majorly wrong with the wiki appearance. (On OSX / Firefox).

Quote from: Chocofreak13 on December 10, 2012, 10:42:56 pm
@bella: i'm aware there's an article, i was asking people more knowledgable on the subject than i to help fill in the blanks or eliminate the blanks alltogether. since DSL-kun is well-established, i'll leave it to you to fill in the details. *places hand on shoulder* ganbatte! >:3


Kay, I will. ^^

I finally started an article for RISC OS-tan, which I'd been meaning to do for awhile 'cause she's kind of an important character in the Anti$oft Coalition (aka OS/2-tan's merry band of, uh, hooligans?)

http://ostan-collections.net/wiki/index.php?title=RISC_OS

Speaking of which, I wouldn't mind cleaning up OS/2-tan's article......... and I kinda wanna pick human names for her and RISC OS-tan..... but idk where to start. ~.~
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Tsubashi on December 11, 2012, 12:35:50 pm
This was taken from the OSinfobox template page (http://ostan-collections.net/wiki/index.php?title=Template:OSinfobox). The arrows indicate the parts that should not be there. The should end slightly to the left. If you add those two lines I mentioned earlier to a custom style sheet, you can see that it ends where it should.

(http://18m250.org/OStan/img/BB/OSC.PNG)
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Chocofreak13 on December 11, 2012, 12:56:05 pm
hey, you're right, i'm getting them too.
(http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i98/Chocofreak13/example.png)
(sorry, forgot to highlight them, but if you look on the side, they're there)

@bella: i had come up with a thread a long time ago for proposed human names for OS-tans, but it's ancient. i've been meaning to copy the info into a new thread, want me to do that?
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Bella on December 11, 2012, 12:59:50 pm
@Tsubashi: Oh! Okay, yes I have been seeing that. It didn't look right to me, but I wasn't sure if that was intentional or not. ^^'

@Kari: Hey! Fastrand-kun!!

Quote from: Chocofreak13 on December 11, 2012, 12:56:05 pm
@bella: i had come up with a thread a long time ago for proposed human names for OS-tans, but it's ancient. i've been meaning to copy the info into a new thread, want me to do that?


TBH, I'd just revive the old thread.
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Chocofreak13 on December 11, 2012, 01:08:19 pm
heh, thought you'd like fastrand-kun. (i hit random page and it took me to the hardware-tans directory, and i just picked fastrand because you mentioned working on his article. ^^; )

you sure? i'm not 100% sure on the coherency of the old thread, which is why i wanted to make a new one....
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Penti-chan on December 11, 2012, 01:12:52 pm
I think a new thread would be good, as "NEEDED: Your Input" could mean anything; it's not very clear as to what it's actually for
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Tsubashi on December 11, 2012, 01:16:27 pm
Okay, do the proposed css edits fix the problem for everyone?

Also, the TRS-DOS page (http://ostan-collections.net/wiki/index.php?title=TRS-DOS) has an interesting discrepancy. In the initial statement:
Quote from: The Wiki
TRS-DOS-tan (also known as Tandy-tan) is CoCo-tan's (http://ostan-collections.net/wiki/index.php?title=TRS-80_Color_Computer) older sister.

Coco-tan's link points to the TRS-80 Color Computer (http://ostan-collections.net/wiki/index.php?title=TRS-80_Color_Computer) page, but a subsequent mention:
Quote from: The Wiki
Back in her youth, her main competitors were Apple II-tan, PET-tan, Atari DOS-tan and later CoCo-tan (http://ostan-collections.net/wiki/index.php?title=CoCo).

points to the page CoCo (http://ostan-collections.net/wiki/index.php?title=CoCo), which, it turns out, is just a redirect for TRS-DOS-tan's page. Somehow, I do not think that is what was meant.

Quote from: PentiumMMX on December 11, 2012, 01:12:52 pm
I think a new thread would be good, as "NEEDED: Your Input" could mean anything; it's not very clear as to what it's actually for

Well, if you modify the title of the original post, then it changes the thread title, so that really is not an issue
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Chocofreak13 on December 11, 2012, 01:40:53 pm
huh. this is why i stick to knowing about the canon tans. they're simpler. xD

@pent, tsu: tbh i don't feel like a simple name change would be enough to clean up the thread. (i also don't want to revive it because i made it early in my career here at OSC, and the wording is a bit....embarassing.) i'll look through it and decide myself, though i really feel like a new thread is best. (don't worry; i won't remake it 500 times like i did with the theory thread. -w- )
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Bella on December 11, 2012, 01:48:12 pm
@Tsu: That.... isn't right. The CoCo redirect should point to TRS-80 Color Computer-tan's article, obviously. :/

At any rate, I deleted that link since there was already a link to CoCo-tan's article in TRS-DOS-tan's article.

EDIT: I think I fixed it. For some reason the CoCo redirect pointed to TRS-DOS (aka TRS-80) instead of TRS-80 Color Computer, so I changed that around.

I think it may go back to TRS-80 Color Computer's article being incorrectly titled "TRS-80".
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Tsubashi on December 11, 2012, 01:53:28 pm
@Bella The redirect was what was throwing me for a loop.Was not exactly sure where it ought to point. Thanks for clarifying
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Pitkin on December 11, 2012, 02:00:13 pm
Quote from: Tsubashi on December 10, 2012, 03:23:50 pm
I noticed a visual discrepancy between the info box and level 2 headers. The line seems to pass through the infobox. If the admins could add overflow:hidden; to lines 122 and 228 of ostan-collections.net/wiki/skins/monobook/main.css, that would solve the problem.

Just a thought.


Can be done. Welcome back, Tsubashi. :)

edit: added overflow: hidden; to the two lines you mentioned. Try a hard refresh, I hope it shows better this time.
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Tsubashi on December 11, 2012, 02:05:53 pm
Ah, Pitkin! It is nice to see you old friend. ^.^

Make sure to test it in IE, though, to see if that solves it. I imagine it will, but have not tried yet.

edit: Brilliant. That solves it for me (Ubuntu - Firefox/Chrome)
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Chocofreak13 on December 11, 2012, 03:05:13 pm
tried several random pages (currently using IE). it fixed the top line for the DOSSE page, but when i looked at SAGE's page i noticed some were still intersecting:
http://ostan-collections.net/wiki/index.php?title=SAGE
(http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i98/Chocofreak13/example2-1.png)

also, in the course of repeatedly clicking the "random page" link, i found the app-kuns section. can i make a request to merge this with the general OS-kuns section, as perhaps a subsection? there are so few -kuns as it is that it doesn't make sense to seperate them.
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Tsubashi on December 11, 2012, 03:08:13 pm
Huh, I cannot seem to reproduce your problem. What version of IE are you using? It works for me in IE9 on Win7. Perhaps a cached page? It just seems weird that it would fix it in some instances and not others...
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Bella on December 11, 2012, 03:20:40 pm
Try clearing your cache Kari, I've been all over the wiki and can't get the same result either.

(http://i.imgur.com/vRiYv.png)


(forgive the pixelation, OSC's being slow to load again)
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Chocofreak13 on December 11, 2012, 06:18:02 pm
ahh, yeah, that fixed the problem. odd, given i don't remember ever going to the SAGE page, so why would it have cached it?
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Tsubashi on December 11, 2012, 06:18:58 pm
Most likely just cached the css file.
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Chocofreak13 on December 11, 2012, 06:24:52 pm
hm, okay.

as previously mentioned, is it possible to group all -kun articles into one list? i'd do it myself but i'm not 100% how. :\
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Tsubashi on December 11, 2012, 06:27:23 pm
Sure, we could use the as-of-now-unimplemented-but-existant OS-kuns category. I think that would be the easiest and most conceptually accurate. Alternately, we could create a new category...
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: NejinOniwa on December 11, 2012, 06:35:40 pm
Added WITCH's page and avatar.
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Chocofreak13 on December 11, 2012, 06:36:36 pm
i'd say just merge the lists onto the existing os-kun one. and then make that one easier to get to. >>;

@nej: nice work. wasn't she created like, at least 2 years ago?
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Tsubashi on December 11, 2012, 06:44:32 pm
@kari When you say "existing os-kun" one, do you mean this one (http://ostan-collections.net/wiki/index.php?title=OS-Kuns) or is there another page I am missing?

So basically, instead of having a "male character" bullet point with different sections, have a single "Male Character" page that lists all types?
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Chocofreak13 on December 11, 2012, 06:53:08 pm
yes, i meant that one. i was figuring that there isn't really enough to make them into a seperate list.

of course, if they're already part of a larger list, such as the hardware -kuns being part of the hardware list, they could be left there. but considering only norton is listed in the app-kun list, i figured if there were any other instances like that it'd be better off folding them into the larger article.
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: NejinOniwa on December 11, 2012, 07:03:07 pm
@K: yes, but I've been too lazy to add her myself, and evidently the wiki is a few editors short to cover things these days...
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Chocofreak13 on December 11, 2012, 07:12:02 pm
well, it doesn't help that the only ones who would know enough to write the article are you, bella, and possibly stew, and the major editors are aurora, bella, me, pent, and tsu.
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: NejinOniwa on December 11, 2012, 07:17:02 pm
I'm pretty sure I made a Colossus info page/post somewhere. Where did it go? Is it lost in the recesses of some thread? I can't find it >_>
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Bella on December 11, 2012, 07:32:01 pm
Quote from: NejinOniwa on December 11, 2012, 07:17:02 pm
I'm pretty sure I made a Colossus info page/post somewhere. Where did it go? Is it lost in the recesses of some thread? I can't find it >_>


I wondered why there wasn't a wiki article for Colossus as well.... >>;;

EDIT: Are you going to make a page for OMEGA? I ask because you listed that as her faction, and made it into a link, and I hate redlinks that never get pages made for them. <<;;;;
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: NejinOniwa on December 11, 2012, 08:06:45 pm
I am. Eventually. It might be a bit weird to make a page for a faction that so far only exists in my own canon, but if you guys can respect that and use them for your own machinations I couldn't be happier. The OS-tan world needs some villainy~

Also I need some more details written on them before I make that page, but we'll get to that. Case in point:
QuoteUnknown time (UTC)

Leopard was still feeling rather groggy as she stumbled through the corridors of her prison, following her mysterious rescuer as they raced away from her cell. On the upside she'd managed to fumble some of the many zippers and buttons of her suit into place, which meant she at least wasn't stark naked anymore; on the downside it didn't do much to help her growing sense of embarrassment (which was surfacing evermore now that she was regaining her consciousness bit by bit) because she'd only managed to cover her arms and one leg. I really need to practice using my tail more, she thought glumly.
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Bella on December 11, 2012, 10:31:47 pm
Ehh, there's plenty of stuff on the wiki that's limited to certain peoples' canons. If you feel hesitant about posting it, just include a note that the faction has only appeared in your story series. : /

*reads story snippet*
*cries*

Oh and today I finally finished and posted our dear little Time Lady ILLIAC's article: http://ostan-collections.net/wiki/index.php?title=ILLIAC
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: NejinOniwa on December 11, 2012, 11:04:25 pm
Fair enough. I'll do that once I get Colossus' page up, then.
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Aurora Borealis on December 11, 2012, 11:55:45 pm
Great work, everyone! I feel bad I haven't contributed lately. Currently I'm going through finals week.
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Chocofreak13 on December 12, 2012, 01:24:59 am
so aurora's in college! slowly we learn more about her, bit by bit.

i guess this means she's in her 20's. :3

(once mine are over i'll work on those articles i mentioned)
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Bella on December 12, 2012, 05:36:46 pm
Quote from: Aurora Borealis on December 11, 2012, 11:55:45 pm
Great work, everyone! I feel bad I haven't contributed lately. Currently I'm going through finals week.


It's fine Aurora, it's just good to know you're still around/doing okay (finals aside). ^^
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Tsubashi on December 12, 2012, 05:48:24 pm
@Aurora, Chocofreak Good luck on your finals!

On an unrelated topic, do we have a standard article template or styling guide? I have noticed, in my perusal of the wiki, that most articles follow a pretty default: "Technical Details --> Character Details --> History & Background" Type layout, but after that...
Just wondering is all.
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Bella on December 12, 2012, 05:56:50 pm
There's no set standard, as far as I can tell; Aurora started the Technical Details-Character Details-History article layout IIRC, it just seemed to make the most sense so I started using it too and the next thing you know, half the wiki is formatted that way. ^^;

Since you brought up the question of style guidelines, I do have something I'd like to ask about since it's been on my mind for awhile: do you suppose there should be some sort of special guideline for articles on characters who, well, don't really have much in the way of history or background? There's no shortage of "one-shot" characters and designs without full backstories, and I'd rather avoid having that "history and background" section in an article if it's never going to be filled... : /
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: NejinOniwa on December 12, 2012, 06:01:21 pm
I don't know if it's just me, but I always include a section on magical powers at the end of my articles.
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Bella on December 12, 2012, 06:08:44 pm
I think it's just you Nej. I like the idea, but it wouldn't work for most of my characters because I'm not all that technical in classifying their powers. ^^;;;

Though as of late, I HAVE been including a sub-section detailing special powers for applicable characters.
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Tsubashi on December 12, 2012, 06:13:59 pm
@Bella Good point. It makes sense to have a History and Background section only for sufficiently developed characters. I do, however, like the " Fanworks" section you included in the ILLIAC article. A kind of "reference" section.
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: NejinOniwa on December 12, 2012, 06:14:18 pm
Added a short page on OMEGA, with some info.

A short note: Would WITCH be classified as a Mainframe? IDK which category to put her in.

One thing I also think we should definitely add to the wiki: Stories! Just add it as a tab below "list of OS-tans" for easy browsing. That's also a natural start of categorizing character appearances in various fics/comics.
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Bella on December 12, 2012, 06:23:55 pm
Quote from: Tsubashi on December 12, 2012, 06:13:59 pm
@Bella Good point. It makes sense to have a History and Background section only for sufficiently developed characters. I do, however, like the " Fanworks" section you included in the ILLIAC article. A kind of "reference" section.


Okay, it's good to know I'm not alone in thinking that. As for the Fanworks section, ILLIAC-tan's isn't filled out yet, but you can check out RISC OS-tan's for an example of how it'll look when links have been added: http://ostan-collections.net/wiki/index.php?title=RISC_OS

Quote from: NejinOniwa on December 12, 2012, 06:14:18 pm
Added a short page on OMEGA, with some info.

A short note: Would WITCH be classified as a Mainframe? IDK which category to put her in.


Thanks for making that article, it's good to have some idea what OMEGA is. ^^;

I'd go with mainframe, even though it's not technically correct that's the category that all the large scale system-tans have gone in so far (mainframes, early computers, super computers, etc).

QuoteOne thing I also think we should definitely add to the wiki: Stories! Just add it as a tab below "list of OS-tans" for easy browsing. That's also a natural start of categorizing character appearances in various fics/comics.


Do you mean, a section for documenting various stories? We already have one, although it's a bit undeveloped at the moment: http://ostan-collections.net/wiki/index.php?title=OSC_Literature_and_Manga_Guide
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: NejinOniwa on December 12, 2012, 06:42:50 pm
Added Beyond ULTRA Secret to the Literature guide and expanded some chapters, and added Colossus and WITCH to their category page.

Also, what do you guys say on making little summary pages on the stories, like we have for the comics?
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Bella on December 12, 2012, 08:39:07 pm
Quote from: NejinOniwa on December 12, 2012, 06:42:50 pm
Added Beyond ULTRA Secret to the Literature guide and expanded some chapters, and added Colossus and WITCH to their category page.

Also, what do you guys say on making little summary pages on the stories, like we have for the comics?


Excellent! And yes, I've been meaning to add summaries to the section but haven't gotten around to it.

LGP-30-tan: http://ostan-collections.net/wiki/index.php?title=LGP-30
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Chocofreak13 on December 12, 2012, 10:22:10 pm
@tsu: i started formatting them that way because i looked at ME-tan's article and it looked like that. though i tend to cut out the "history" part, just folding it into the character details section.
thanks btw. i'll do my best, but my teacher's pretty damn vague about what makes something good. >>;

@nej, bella: i'm going to hope that section is only for stuff made by us, given that if we were to even attempt to catagorize all the canon os-tan manga in the gallery, i don't think even the 3 of us could accomplish it within a week. >>;

@bella: if a character doesn't have a history, the history section shouldn't exist. no sense having a line with nothing under it. >>;
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: NejinOniwa on December 12, 2012, 11:48:38 pm
@K: There's a disclaimer at the bottom of the page saying just that, so there's no need to worry about other works.
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Chocofreak13 on December 12, 2012, 11:58:01 pm
kk. if asked, i'll provide a short description of the os-tan comiket, but tbh i wouldn't really know where to start on that.
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Bella on December 14, 2012, 12:06:39 am
Quote from: Chocofreak13 on December 12, 2012, 10:22:10 pm
@tsu: i started formatting them that way because i looked at ME-tan's article and it looked like that. though i tend to cut out the "history" part, just folding it into the character details section.


Yeah, I've been including the history section in the character details section if a character doesn't have a very long, well-documented history. Speaking from experience on articles I've written, characters like Unix, Multics, SAGE and Linux-tan have very long, well-documented histories (in fact, Multics, Linux and Unix-tan's history sections are actually in dire need of expansion!) but others just don't have much written about them. :/ I'm not including the history section if a character doesn't have one now.

I want to make an article for oN-Line System (aka NLS)-tan and Berkeley Timesharing System-tan~

Also I have to finish up PC12 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PC12_minicomputer)-tan's article. But I'm stuck on certain details, like her work history and physical appearance... ;u;
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Chocofreak13 on December 14, 2012, 04:41:55 am
she never got a physical description? isn't that basically the first part of -tanning? :\

as for the history section, like i said, if it doesn't exist, it doesn't exist. though we could found a whole seperate project to give history to -tans without it. :\
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Bella on December 14, 2012, 06:34:07 pm
Quote from: Chocofreak13 on December 14, 2012, 04:41:55 am
she never got a physical description? isn't that basically the first part of -tanning? :\


That's the thing, I have a physical description for her but no color scheme. ><;;

Quote from: Chocofreak13 on December 14, 2012, 04:41:55 amas for the history section, like i said, if it doesn't exist, it doesn't exist. though we could found a whole seperate project to give history to -tans without it. :\


It's a good idea, and reminds me of a thread Aurora made years ago that was aimed at giving background/one-shot characters backstories. But some -tans are based on systems that are so obscure that there's really not much written about their histories.... : (

Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Chocofreak13 on December 14, 2012, 08:51:17 pm
that's where the theories thread comes into play. what i always encouraged there was less a discussion and more a courthouse-style meeting to come to a concensus on uncertain aspects of OS-tan, such as the world, their powers, a class system, etc. stuff that is accepted in all canon. in the case of -tans/-kuns that are based off computers that have little to no history available, we discuss in the history thread till we come to an agreement about certain aspects of their personality/history/backstory/etc.

if she has no colour scheme, try looking up pics of the computer itself and go from there? (HT-tan's colours were imagined that way, with wood-brown hair and antique dial-beige eyes. :3)
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Bella on December 14, 2012, 10:24:05 pm
Quote from: Chocofreak13 on December 14, 2012, 08:51:17 pm
that's where the theories thread comes into play. what i always encouraged there was less a discussion and more a courthouse-style meeting to come to a concensus on uncertain aspects of OS-tan, such as the world, their powers, a class system, etc. stuff that is accepted in all canon. in the case of -tans/-kuns that are based off computers that have little to no history available, we discuss in the history thread till we come to an agreement about certain aspects of their personality/history/backstory/etc.


That's a good point. I imagine this method would work best for characters who don't have much in the way of backstory, but are based on a reasonably well-documented system. : / After all, it's damned near impossible to make up a character history if there's no actual history of a system available short of flat-out inventing things, which *can*
work in some instances - especially if a character is from a well-established faction and you can discern certain things about their history from that - but can also go quite badly other times.

Quote from: Chocofreak13 on December 14, 2012, 08:51:17 pmif she has no colour scheme, try looking up pics of the computer itself and go from there? (HT-tan's colours were imagined that way, with wood-brown hair and antique dial-beige eyes. :3)


That's another problem. I usually do base the color schemes of my hardware-tans on their actual computer hardware, here's only one documented image of the PC12 and it's in black and white. ;~;

http://radiology.rsna.org/content/217/3/619/F5.large.jpg
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Chocofreak13 on December 15, 2012, 03:26:14 am
i was thinking if we all agreed on it, inventing things wouldn't be a problem, since we could police each other's ideas.

as for the picture, google is stupid and won't give me the results i'm looking for (converting greyscale to rgb...idc if it's not correct, it's a start) so i'd say either look at other greyscale images of computers and compare to get a general feel for the colour, or scour google for images. i assume you haven't already.
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Bella on December 15, 2012, 05:49:44 pm
If all else fails I can try to make up a color scheme based on her known relatives (sort of). She's loosely related to both PDP-8 and LINC-tan, who're both vaaaaaaaguely related to Whirlwind and MTC-tan:

(http://ostan-collections.net/wiki/images/e/e0/Whirlwind.png)(http://ostan-collections.net/wiki/images/7/7b/Mtcavi.png)
(http://ostan-collections.net/wiki/images/8/84/Linc.png)(http://ostan-collections.net/wiki/images/d/d2/Pdp8.png)

As you can see, in that family there's black hair, orange hair, dark blonde hair, golden eyes and blue eyes, so ..... yeah. I don't want to give her black hair, since I've tried it in sketches and it doesn't look good on her. Orange may work, I tried a dark orange shade and hated it but maybe if I play around with different shades I'll find something that clicks. I'm leaning toward warm colored eyes too...
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Chocofreak13 on December 16, 2012, 12:06:25 pm
honey blonde with golden-amber eyes? (like the colour of sam adams beer?)
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Bella on December 16, 2012, 06:49:17 pm
I was leaning toward a color scheme like that, actually ... i should make up a color map...

This thread is getting a bit OT, anyone have any wiki changes they'd like to talk about?
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Chocofreak13 on December 17, 2012, 12:09:57 am
has anyone merged the OS-kun lists yet? :\
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Bella on December 17, 2012, 12:30:15 pm
Post the links to the OS-kuns lists, and I'll merge them. :)
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Chocofreak13 on December 17, 2012, 10:37:21 pm
danke.

http://ostan-collections.net/wiki/index.php?title=OS-Kuns
http://ostan-collections.net/wiki/index.php?title=App-Kuns
http://ostan-collections.net/wiki/index.php?title=Site-kuns
http://ostan-collections.net/wiki/index.php?title=Malware-Kuns

also, i noticed the malware-kun list is empty. i found evidence on malware-tan articles of the existance of an A-Bomb-kun and Cerberus-kun, and i imagine there's likely more. there's even an article for Ah-kun:
http://ostan-collections.net/wiki/index.php?title=Ah-kun

btw, in the course of reading the malware-tan articles, i noticed one that isn't even on the list, let alone has a page: ILOVEYOU-tan. :\
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Bella on December 18, 2012, 11:24:36 am
Hm, okay, I'll put those all into a "List of Computer-kuns". Until somebody deletes the extra pages(?), I'll set up a redirect to the main list of male characters.
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Chocofreak13 on December 18, 2012, 11:56:38 am
hm, okay. thanks. is there any information available about the virus-kuns i mentioned, btw? i remember seeing a picture of Cerberus-kun somewhere. :\
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Bella on December 19, 2012, 06:07:46 pm
There's a Cerberus and A-Bomb-kun, you can find their pages on the Computer-kun list I made: http://ostan-collections.net/wiki/index.php?title=Computer-kuns

Also, I made pages for oN-Line System-tan and TREE-META-tan:

http://ostan-collections.net/wiki/index.php?title=NLS

http://ostan-collections.net/wiki/index.php?title=TREE-META
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Chocofreak13 on December 19, 2012, 06:33:45 pm
thankyou. ^^

i think i might try my hand at characterizing some more -kun, specifically website-kuns. as it is google has no picture, and i remember seeing some male and female website pictures at some point....i believe wikipedia was a guy, as was facebook, google,  myspace, and i think yahoo. 4chan was a guy, too, but a tubby creeper who was into flashing people. (god, that DOES sound like 4chan. >>;;; )
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Bella on December 20, 2012, 04:06:34 pm
Go for it! I enjoyed your articles on the Windows-kuns and learned a lot about them (and they inspired me to write articles for some of my male characters) so I'd like to see what magic you could work for even lesser-known characters. :)
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Chocofreak13 on December 21, 2012, 02:54:35 am
thankyou. i'm glad i have something to contribute, i just wish i could recover the images from that drive, considering how many os-kun images there were. ;v;

fyi, if i were to go for characterizing some lesser-known OS-kuns (such as Wikipedia-kun), i'd likely be making up some of the details myself. (okay, i'd be making up most of them.) .___.;
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Bella on January 04, 2013, 11:55:50 am
That's fine, there's nothing wrong with a bit of fabrication when it comes to tackling lesser-known -tan designs. After all, most of the OSX-tans started out sans personalities, but ended up being given characters by the folks here at OSC (especially C-Chan and Aurora).


Anyway .... a few days ago I did a ton of cleanup work, sorting uncategorized articles into categories. Also, I finally posted this FREAKIN' LONG MULTICS-TAN ARTICLE (http://ostan-collections.net/wiki/index.php?title=Multics) that may not even be finished yet. x.x

Hopefully this fills in her history and background a bit better.
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Chocofreak13 on January 04, 2013, 12:36:37 pm
*applause* Bella, now that you've written the longest article in osc history and won the world cup, what are you going to do?

"I'M GOIN' TO DISNEY LAND!!"

*shot for impersonating bella*
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: stewartsage on January 04, 2013, 11:17:26 pm
That's just the longest posted OSC article.  I guess the SAGE character notes are an article of sorts.
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Chocofreak13 on January 04, 2013, 11:27:29 pm
why not post them? or are they?
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Bella on January 05, 2013, 11:22:05 am
Because he refuses to post any of his notes. :| Unless i file a federal Freedom of Information Act form, that is.


Which reminds me, I really should get on that.
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: stewartsage on January 05, 2013, 01:28:44 pm
Are they what?  I don't post them because they're spoilery and at the same time disappointing.  Bells already spent an entire forty minute walk trying to worn them out of me...
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Bella on January 05, 2013, 06:30:42 pm
Ablkhgkkjhsds you can't edit out the spoilers? Or post the rest of the actual story?

Quote from: stewartsage on January 05, 2013, 01:28:44 pm
Bells already spent an entire forty minute walk trying to worn them out of me...


I remember that!
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: DustiiWolf on January 06, 2013, 03:07:08 am
i really need to pick a day to spend finding as much info for claudia as possible.
I dont have much past her outfit, the Windows 8 promo vid, that she has a twitter, shes in a manga/webcomic series by microsoft japan, and she represents windows azure.

BTW, can anyone point me in the direction of places that can help (other than a search engine, for you smart-alecs out there).
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Chocofreak13 on January 06, 2013, 04:00:15 am
tbh that's most of the info on her. unless you want to go trolling through fan images like i do. sometimes that's the only way if other information isn't available. (don't ask me how much time i've devoted over the years looking for os-kun pictures. but it helped me gain some important insight on the os-kuns and their various personalities, so it was worth it. :\ )

if you're wanting to look through fan images, i'd reccomend gelbooru or pixiv. don't let the people here fool you. gelbooru is superiour to danbooru in many, many ways, not least of which being that it has more material than danbooru.

DA might have some fan images too, but that's a bit shakey. :\
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Tsubashi on January 07, 2013, 06:57:10 pm
Out of curiosity, do we have Extension:ParserFunctions installed? I have been playing with the idea of creating a meta-template for our infoboxes, but my #if: statements are not working as expected...
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Aurora Borealis on January 14, 2013, 09:31:08 pm
@Bella: Your updated version of Multics' article is amazing, and is the standard that OS-tan character articles should be held to! Same goes for the updated DEC Military article to the other faction articles!
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Bella on January 14, 2013, 10:39:32 pm
Thank you so much Aurora-san! ^.^
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Chocofreak13 on January 15, 2013, 12:30:53 pm
i should go look at that and update my articles to match.... >>;
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Penti-chan on January 15, 2013, 12:47:23 pm
When I'm not feeling lazy, I'll likely clean up the articles I made to try and make them match ^^;
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Aurora Borealis on January 17, 2013, 11:58:23 am
@Bella: You're welcome! I rewrote Plan 9's and Xenix's articles to fit the character article model you're using, and incorporated some information from the Unix Wars timeline.
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Bella on January 17, 2013, 03:42:56 pm
I'll go check them right away. ^^

Also, I rewrote part of Unix-tan's article. I still need to do the History And Background section though.

I also have plans to redo Linux-tan's and Emacs-kun's articles.
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: DustiiWolf on February 19, 2013, 02:36:08 am
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Bella on March 03, 2013, 06:50:42 pm
Looks good Dustii!

Also: I'm thinking of making a page for the programming language-tans. There isn't enough info for any single character, so I'm thinking of arranging it in a manner similar to Aurora's Annex Profile pages (http://ostan-collections.net/wiki/index.php?title=Binteeji_Renmei_Annex_Bios) or Kari's Nijura and Futaba Characters page (http://ostan-collections.net/wiki/index.php?title=Nijiura_and_Futaba_Characters).

What say you, OSC?
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Tsubashi on March 04, 2013, 11:28:32 am
That would work, though it seems like it would be outdated somewhat quickly if you intend to start PL-tans. I guess it really just depends if you plan on eventually jumping to individual pages. The advantage to your idea is that it is quickly accomplished and does not leave a bunch of half-finished pages lying around. The disadvantage is that if you do move beyond it, it becomes a cumbersome second source which has to be kept up-to-date manually.

I am fine either way, just though I would give input.
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Bella on March 04, 2013, 02:21:03 pm
I'd really rather not make individual pages for any of those characters yet, especially since there's little information on their personalities and I hate making stub articles as it is (though it's necessary sometimes). Also, because they seem to have "evolved", so to speak, on a separate track from the OS-tans, it might be better to group them all into one article - in a similar fashion to Kari's articles on the Futaba and Nijura characters, who, while not OS-tans themselves, are closely related to the Japanese OS-tan "culture". I hope that makes sense, haha.
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Tsubashi on March 04, 2013, 02:23:06 pm
Sounds reasonable. I would say go for it.
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Bella on March 04, 2013, 02:30:43 pm
Affirmative, captain! Not sure when I'll get around to it though, but this will probably be my next Wiki project. :)
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Tsubashi on March 04, 2013, 02:33:50 pm
I look forward to it. I was hoping to make some meta-templates to try and keep our info box formatting consistent, but without the parserFunctions extentions, I am not sure what the best way to go about that is, or if it is even possible for that matter.
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: NejinOniwa on March 04, 2013, 06:30:59 pm
I'd say it works fine for what we can make at the moment - if we ever move beyond it, we can just remake it into a portal/category page.
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Bella on March 04, 2013, 06:50:29 pm
Looks like it's settled then.

@Tsu: I wish I could help you but my Wiki coding skills are nonexistent.  :/
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Bella on June 23, 2013, 09:31:49 pm
http://ostan-collections.net/wiki/index.php?title=Linux

I have the "Character Information" section of Linux-tan's article redone. Still have to finish the History and Relationships section though, as well as interrogate Nej for information on his story universe's Linux-tan. (I'll update the Character section when I get that info.)

Also thinking of revamping the pages for VOS- and PRIMOS-tan (who will henceforth be known as the Duchess of Stratus and the Countess of Prime, respectively).
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: DustiiWolf on November 24, 2013, 12:28:21 am
http://ostan-collections.net/wiki/index.php/IE-tan (http://ostan-collections.net/wiki/index.php/IE-tan)

Updated this page (or, to be more accurate, rewrote, since it was practically blank, stating no one knew what IE-tan really looked like or if there was even a tan for her, with a low res doodle for the image. There was pretty much nothing.), seeing as Inori is out. Not finished editing it, going to work on it more this week.
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: NejinOniwa on November 24, 2013, 03:35:58 am
Late post on my updates: Went through a few of the pages related to stuff I've written, added links and references. Also, Ruka-verse Linux is more or less the same one you're using, Bells, aside from possible differences in power level/usage/type since MR@S is a bit heavier on the magitech/code stuff.
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Chocofreak13 on November 24, 2013, 09:40:18 am
Quote from: DustiiWolf on November 24, 2013, 12:28:21 am
http://ostan-collections.net/wiki/index.php/IE-tan (http://ostan-collections.net/wiki/index.php/IE-tan)

Updated this page (or, to be more accurate, rewrote, since it was practically blank, stating no one knew what IE-tan really looked like or if there was even a tan for her, with a low res doodle for the image. There was pretty much nothing.), seeing as Inori is out. Not finished editing it, going to work on it more this week.


bear in mind that you have now spurned me to re-edit this article to reflect the ORIGINAL ie-tans that were floating around the gallery for years before this Inori fellow. not going to change a thing on her section, just going to write in a few bits so that the article isn't solely about her.

if you do want an article solely about her, i recommend you create one. :\

EDIT: you deleted the picture that was there, didn't you? ugh, we NEVER delete old pics without saving them first, or at least checking to see if they're in the gallery! pretty sure i know the pic you were talking about, and it's not in there. ><;;
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: DustiiWolf on November 24, 2013, 01:27:04 pm
I didn't delete the image. I just removed it from the page. Can't you view previous versions of the page to find the image name?

also, I find that cool that you're adding other IE-tan info to the page. I was unaware of any, so it could help me and others to learn more about the IE-tans before Inori!

also, added a redirect page for Internet Explorer to the article.
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Chocofreak13 on November 24, 2013, 02:31:53 pm
Harrumph. >3>;

In the event inori's section gets big enough, it should get its own article with a blurb at the bottom considering ie-tan and inori are two different characters. (As it is I'm having a hard time finding a way to have two info boxes on there w/o it looking clunky.)

That "low-res doodle" is actually a nice piece of artwork that was uploaded in 2009. And of course there were ie-tans before this inori chick. A simple gallery search coulda told you that. >>;
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: DustiiWolf on November 24, 2013, 09:57:16 pm
Quote from: Chocofreak13 on November 24, 2013, 02:31:53 pm
Harrumph. >3>;

In the event inori's section gets big enough, it should get its own article with a blurb at the bottom considering ie-tan and inori are two different characters. (As it is I'm having a hard time finding a way to have two info boxes on there w/o it looking clunky.)

That "low-res doodle" is actually a nice piece of artwork that was uploaded in 2009. And of course there were ie-tans before this inori chick. A simple gallery search coulda told you that. >>;


I'm sorry. I didn't mean to offend. I based my knowledge off the article and old google searches.

I think I have an idea, which I'll do later. I've seen some Wikipedia articles done this way. I'll make internet explorer a category disambiguation, with links to Inori and IE-tan pages, and on both pages I will add a link on the top to the opposite page.
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Chocofreak13 on November 24, 2013, 10:18:11 pm
hm, that could work, though i'd recommend keeping a blurb at the bottom of the IE-tan page. if you want some inspiration, go over to the 7-tan page, there's like, 10 different descriptions there (a couple of which were Microsoft sponsored).

i'm only miffed at you for not thinking of it. there have been -tans for every major browser since the os-tans started back in 03. stands to reason that there would be IE-tans out there this whole time. (also, the original blurb was written back in 08 or 09. a lot has happened since then.)

if you want my advice, do more legwork when you write an article. take inspiration from the ones out there and do more research. a kickass article doesn't take an hour, it takes days. (or several hours if you're insane like me and write the whole Nijiura article in an insane 12-hour stretch that lands you in bed at 6am. -w-; )
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: DustiiWolf on November 24, 2013, 10:28:55 pm
Quote from: Chocofreak13 on November 24, 2013, 10:18:11 pm
hm, that could work, though i'd recommend keeping a blurb at the bottom of the IE-tan page. if you want some inspiration, go over to the 7-tan page, there's like, 10 different descriptions there (a couple of which were Microsoft sponsored).

i'm only miffed at you for not thinking of it. there have been -tans for every major browser since the os-tans started back in 03. stands to reason that there would be IE-tans out there this whole time. (also, the original blurb was written back in 08 or 09. a lot has happened since then.)

if you want my advice, do more legwork when you write an article. take inspiration from the ones out there and do more research. a kickass article doesn't take an hour, it takes days. (or several hours if you're insane like me and write the whole Nijiura article in an insane 12-hour stretch that lands you in bed at 6am. -w-; )


I made a disambiguation page out of Internet Explorer (http://ostan-collections.net/wiki/index.php/Internet_Explorer) and created a seperate page for inori aizawa (http://ostan-collections.net/wiki/index.php/Internet_Explorer-tan), as well as added links on both hers and IE-tan's (http://ostan-collections.net/wiki/index.php/Internet_Explorer-tan) pages for the other article.

Also, previewed the old page under history. Here is the image you were looking for (http://ostan-collections.net/wiki/index.php/IE-tan) (which is higher res than i thought. And pretty cool, i must say).

And about time into articles, i have limited internet access that comes and goes at the moment, so when i spend several hours on a post only to lose it when i hit save because the internet is gone makes it problematic. Thats why i work on articles in spurts, adding something this day, something else another day, so on, so forth.



EDIT:
Created the Under Construction template (http://ostan-collections.net/wiki/index.php/Template:Construction) and Under construction categories (http://ostan-collections.net/wiki/index.php/Category:Under_Construction), and included Inori's page under the category. That way pages that are being worked on but are not currently finished can use this template to let viewers know that it is in fact being edited and updated at the moment and may not be complete.

EDIT 2:
Created a page for the Bing Girls (http://ostan-collections.net/wiki/index.php/Bing) since they dont really belong under Windows 7. Also added redirect pages for "inori aizawa", "bing girls", "silverlight", and "nanami madobe", to their matching articles (since the latter two were referenced on other pages on the wiki but didnt exist)
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: NejinOniwa on November 25, 2013, 07:41:03 am
Edited the Inori page slightly for errors and proofing issues. It is now 20% more compliant to the OSC Wiki standards. :)
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Chocofreak13 on November 25, 2013, 10:32:53 am
i am going to contest that bing girls page considering
1. it was me who wrote the whole 7-tan article
2. the bing girls were a promotion released by microsoft as themepacks for windows 7, thus they don't go with any other OS/browser/etc
3. they have never (and likely never will) represent any sort of Bing-tan, so making a seperate page for them when they don't even have an infobox seems....friviolous.

the difference between them and Inori is that Inori has enough information for her own article. i don't think the Bing Girls do. i'm moving the information back. >>;

btw, was there a technical details section of the windows 7 page, or did you delete it? .__.;

EDIT: reading over the bing girls article as we speak and i need to say THEY DO NOT PERSONIFY THE BING ENGINE
I HAVE NO IDEA WHERE YOU GOT THAT FROM
they were PROMOTING it, but they do not REPRESENT it. they're just random themepacks, it seems, nothing more than a marketing campaign.

do you guys know if spoiler tags will work on the wiki? because that seems like it could be very useful here in keeping the windows 7 article size down. :\
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: DustiiWolf on November 25, 2013, 03:52:18 pm
Quote from: NejinOniwa on November 25, 2013, 07:41:03 am
Edited the Inori page slightly for errors and proofing issues. It is now 20% more compliant to the OSC Wiki standards. :)

Thank You :)

Quote from: Chocofreak13 on November 25, 2013, 10:32:53 am
i am going to contest that bing girls page considering
1. it was me who wrote the whole 7-tan article
2. the bing girls were a promotion released by microsoft as themepacks for windows 7, thus they don't go with any other OS/browser/etc
3. they have never (and likely never will) represent any sort of Bing-tan, so making a seperate page for them when they don't even have an infobox seems....friviolous.

the difference between them and Inori is that Inori has enough information for her own article. i don't think the Bing Girls do. i'm moving the information back. >>;

btw, was there a technical details section of the windows 7 page, or did you delete it? .__.;

EDIT: reading over the bing girls article as we speak and i need to say THEY DO NOT PERSONIFY THE BING ENGINE
I HAVE NO IDEA WHERE YOU GOT THAT FROM
they were PROMOTING it, but they do not REPRESENT it. they're just random themepacks, it seems, nothing more than a marketing campaign.

do you guys know if spoiler tags will work on the wiki? because that seems like it could be very useful here in keeping the windows 7 article size down. :\


I put them in their own article solely because they are not part of Windows 7. Yes, the theme packs were made for Windows 7, but other than that, the Bing girls have nothing to do with Windows 7 and 7-tan. Furthermore, they have the Bing logo on them, and Microsoft has made mascots before with no information (for instance, the news site, The Verge, made me aware there is a character that is used for Microsoft's Virtualization tools that only appears in one place and doesn't even have a name.), which is why one could speculate that the girls represent Bing.

and I didn't remove anything but the Bing girls from Windows 7's page.
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Chocofreak13 on November 25, 2013, 05:24:49 pm
*pinches forehead*

the bing girls have NOTHING to do with ANYTHING other than windows 7. they were made SOLELY as a marketing campaign, and have not appeared since they were created. they were barely given any personality and frankly, finding the themepacks is a bitch now. if it wasn't for my putting them on the article in the first place, i doubt anyone would remember them anyway. without a technical section to go off of, or an individual item to represent (as they STILL do not represent bing itself, just promoted it), they are little more than an accessory for windows 7. having a seperate article JUST FOR THEM is nothing more than wiki clutter.

if nothing else, their section is a wee bit long and makes the 7-tan article seem a little overdone. but that could easily be fixed with some sort of spoiler tag, if possible.
and even if it's not, who cares? 9 times out of 10, more information is better than less. >>;
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: DustiiWolf on November 25, 2013, 06:38:14 pm
Quote from: Chocofreak13 on November 25, 2013, 05:24:49 pm
*pinches forehead*

the bing girls have NOTHING to do with ANYTHING other than windows 7. they were made SOLELY as a marketing campaign, and have not appeared since they were created. they were barely given any personality and frankly, finding the themepacks is a bitch now. if it wasn't for my putting them on the article in the first place, i doubt anyone would remember them anyway. without a technical section to go off of, or an individual item to represent (as they STILL do not represent bing itself, just promoted it), they are little more than an accessory for windows 7. having a seperate article JUST FOR THEM is nothing more than wiki clutter.

if nothing else, their section is a wee bit long and makes the 7-tan article seem a little overdone. but that could easily be fixed with some sort of spoiler tag, if possible.
and even if it's not, who cares? 9 times out of 10, more information is better than less. >>;


There's gotta be somewhere else for them to go, though, since, like i said, despite them being themepacks for seven, they are not actually related to 7-tan. Its excess information. Whether having a separate page, or even moving them to some other page, it still seems unnecessary and confusing putting them in the windows 7 article.

Also, finished the Inori Aizawa page (http://ostan-collections.net/wiki/index.php/Internet_Explorer-tan). Let me know if any of you think it needs anything.
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Bella on November 25, 2013, 08:43:05 pm
The Inori page looks good Dustii, the only change I would suggest is modifying the Lineage section, since Inori / IE-tan isn't a part of the Windows NT family. I mean, I guess she's associated with them, but Lineage specifically references bloodline. ("Internet Explorer" should suffice as far as lineage goes.)

Also, I think the Bing girls should have a page separate from Nanami, since they're completely tangential to Nanami / Windows 7-tan. As for lack of information, that's something that plagues a LOT of -tans. It's never stopped anyone from making articles before.
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: DustiiWolf on November 25, 2013, 08:52:54 pm
Quote from: Bella on November 25, 2013, 08:43:05 pm
The Inori page looks good Dustii, the only change I would suggest is modifying the Lineage section, since Inori / IE-tan isn't a part of the Windows NT family. I mean, I guess she's associated with them, but Lineage specifically references bloodline. ("Internet Explorer" should suffice as far as lineage goes.)

Also, I think the Bing girls should have a page separate from Nanami, since they're completely tangential to Nanami / Windows 7-tan. As for lack of information, that's something that plagues a LOT of -tans. It's never stopped anyone from making articles before.


I put Windows NT because that's what Silverlight had in its lineage section. Not to mention, IE is integrated into the OS, so technically it could count. But if you really think I should change it, I will.

And thanks! I worked hard on it!



Edit:
I update the Bing girls page (http://ostan-collections.net/wiki/index.php/Bing) with better formatting, and added a "See Also:" on the Windows 7 page under the "Bing girls" heading. Also, i uploaded a higher resolution wallpaper ready version of the Bing girls image.
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: DustiiWolf on November 25, 2013, 10:22:30 pm
I found all the bing themes :D

I linked the individual themes (for Windows 8 ), and linked to a mediafire file on someones blog which contains all the themes in 7 compatible form, as well as the themes' individual files.
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Chocofreak13 on November 25, 2013, 10:44:38 pm
I can tell where i'm not wanted.

not that it matters, but they were ONLY made for windows 7, and were never referenced again in any other context after that marketing campaign. a spoiler tag for information would have REALLY helped out here.
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: DustiiWolf on November 25, 2013, 11:45:09 pm
Found links to the Windows 7 themes individually, so i added them, and i found....

More Bing Girls images! :D

I added those as well to the bing page (http://ostan-collections.net/wiki/index.php/Bing) under "media"
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Bella on November 26, 2013, 12:14:20 am
Quote from: Chocofreak13 on November 25, 2013, 10:44:38 pm
I can tell where i'm not wanted.


Disagreeing != not being wanted. Anyway, I'm sincerely sorry you feel that way; I'm not going to be posting anymore in this thread until I have something meaningful to write about (i.e. actual wiki editing projects).
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: DustiiWolf on December 17, 2013, 01:19:51 am
Created a page for the new Unity-chan -tan. :)

Also made a redirect for "Unity"

http://ostan-collections.net/wiki/index.php/Unity-chan
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: DustiiWolf on December 31, 2013, 10:44:49 pm
Something's broken... made a stub for license-tan (http://ostan-collections.net/wiki/index.php/License-tan), and its rendering wrong. The text is hugging the ostanbasicinfobox. I copied code from a working page (unity) to double check and it exhibits the same error when viewed on the license-tan page (http://ostan-collections.net/wiki/index.php/License-tan).
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: DustiiWolf on February 16, 2014, 10:42:28 pm
Added Wakachan's ostan board (http://www.wakachan.org/os/) to the imageboard list (http://ostan-collections.net/wiki/index.php/OS-tan_Links#Image_Boards).

Also, License-tan's page (http://ostan-collections.net/wiki/index.php/License-tan) is still rendering improperly for me
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Bella on July 11, 2014, 07:33:40 pm
So I was overcome by an urge to work on the Wiki.

Some things I did:
--Finally started a wiki page for the MIT-tans (http://ostan-collections.net/wiki/index.php/MIT_Society). They aren't really a "faction" in the usual sense of the term but they're a distinct group of -tans and should probably be recognized as such.
--Uploaded some new avatars
--Minor changes in articles

Also thinking of sprucing up the theory pages a bit, and maybe adding some new theories since quite a few have been proposed since they were last edited.

Also can anyone tell me how to upload a new version of a file? I tried yesterday but every time I'd get an error message.
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Chocofreak13 on July 19, 2014, 12:25:42 am
i think the easiest way would just be to delete the old one and upload the new one in its place, idk if you can really "replace" them.

also, good on ya for working on that. ^^
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Bella on June 27, 2015, 10:57:34 am
I really want to work on overhauling the wiki pages for my characters and cleaning up, organizing and overhauling the theories pages but IDK where to start.

I also want to make a page for my (and/or Stew's) story universe, i.e. the things that are canonical in that/those universe(s).
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Chocofreak13 on June 27, 2015, 02:10:28 pm
number them
roll a dice
start there
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Bella on June 27, 2015, 03:32:44 pm
Ehhh, I didn't mean "IDK where to start" in the sense of which characters to start with - more wondering whether I should redo the tense (parts of the articles are written in-universe while others are out of universe), how to format descriptions, how to name and write the articles on personal story canons, etc.
Title: Re: Project Wiki OVERHAUL!!
Post by: Chocofreak13 on June 27, 2015, 06:05:36 pm
NUMBER THESE
ROLL A DICE
START FROM THERE