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Lounge => General Computers and Gaming => Topic started by: Vash342 on October 24, 2009, 09:21:44 PM

Title: Button Hardware
Post by: Vash342 on October 24, 2009, 09:21:44 PM
I have a tool that gets a special signal from a magnetized button and I want to know if there is something out there that can copy it.  I'm only doing this for educational purposes.
Title: Button Hardware
Post by: Sora on October 25, 2009, 02:55:00 AM
???
So, you push the button and...
what happens?
Title: Button Hardware
Post by: Alex S on October 25, 2009, 11:06:49 AM
Wait, what?

Is this tool a computer program, or an actual gadget?
Is the button physically attached or does it transmit over the air?
As Sora said, what does the tool do once it has received the signal?

In order to help, people need more information.
Title: Button Hardware
Post by: NejinOniwa on October 25, 2009, 12:25:54 PM
There's this particle accelerator beneath some Swiss village somewhere, and using it could possibly cause the earth to disappear - but it's ok, we're doing it for EDUCATIONAL PURPOSES!!!
(http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x171/Pantheriscariot/awesomeface.png)
Title: Button Hardware
Post by: Sora on October 25, 2009, 04:40:40 PM
The one to make a duplicate Big bang? That would make a black hole to suck the Earth in? This one? (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Large_Hadron_Collider)
Title: Button Hardware
Post by: Alex S on October 25, 2009, 04:58:47 PM
Yeah, that's... not likely to happen. At all. It's about as likely as a strange matter (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strange_matter) world obliteration.

And besides, the LHC is beneath a border between Switzerland and some other country or something, but this thread has been OT enough.
Title: Button Hardware
Post by: NejinOniwa on October 25, 2009, 05:22:51 PM
From my viewpoint, the topic was so vague so we couldn't even be off it anyway.
Title: Button Hardware
Post by: Vash342 on October 25, 2009, 05:24:42 PM
It's a wand, like a little hand tool I can physically carry.

When I push the end, which is a magnet I am sure of it, it gets a signal from the button, which is what I want.  Every signal is unique to each button.  I want to copy that signal.  I can't get more detailed than that Nejin.  I can tell you all about diesel mechanics, or the ICE Engine if you want in detail, but be prepared to be bored to tears.  If need be, also like your sig.

On the accelerator, I don't honestly care really.  We've already built nukes, hydrogen bombs and scarier things.  Tesla is what freaks me out the most, but to see what he's built in action is phenomonal. End of Digression.
Title: Button Hardware
Post by: Alex S on October 25, 2009, 05:28:41 PM
That's still pretty vague.

So, it's a wand that, when you press a button on it, sends a signal to a magnet?

Are there multiple buttons? What is this thing used for?
Title: Button Hardware
Post by: NejinOniwa on October 25, 2009, 05:30:00 PM
Why does everyone insist on calling me Neijin anyway? IT'S WRONG DAMNIT >:[

The only thing my tired brain can decipher from that is that it's some sort of reverse remote control with a magnet.

And that obviously can't be quite right, now can it?
Title: Button Hardware
Post by: Vash342 on October 25, 2009, 07:37:26 PM
I'm not entirely sure without taking it apart.

It is a seperate button that just hangs on the wall.  No wires anything.  No electronics.  Just a metal button.

However, the wand can have a stand to which you press it against this button and it displays all buttons hit since last checked.  This is confusing because the wand doesn't run on batteries, or anything of the sort.  So thats my problem, is figuring out the wand and reversing the process to get the signal I want.
Title: Button Hardware
Post by: NejinOniwa on October 25, 2009, 08:27:34 PM
The hell did you get this contraption from anyway? -.-
Title: Button Hardware
Post by: Alex S on October 25, 2009, 08:30:03 PM
So there is a display?
How can the wand display anything if it has no batteries?
Can you get another one to take apart?
Title: Button Hardware
Post by: Vash342 on October 25, 2009, 09:27:17 PM
Only display it has is a little red LED to show me whether the button has transmitted or not.  I can't get another, the company is very finicky about letting them out.  I honestly have only seen one.  It's not very big, maybe an inch in diameter and about 4-5 inches long.  It can't be taken apart without special tools that the company keeps with them.To fit everything in the handle and make it beefy enough I figure if it did run on batteries it would only be about 1 AA, and they hit around a good 240+ buttons a shift, there being 3 shifts a day, each time saving the chackpoint, time, date etc, and displaying a beep, and a brightly lit LED.  I figure a AA battery can't last a year on that.  I could be wrong though.

The contraption comes from a security site close to mine that uses this to make sure guards visit certain parts of a site.
Ironic too, because the lady on 3rd is deathly afraid of the dark, and they put all the buttons in pitch black areas.
Title: Button Hardware
Post by: Alex S on October 25, 2009, 10:12:49 PM
So it makes sure guards do their rounds...

You'd be right, a 1.5v AA battery probably couldn't handle data writing. Lithium coin cell batteries last a while, and provide more voltage than alkaline AA-type batteries. I would guess that those are the types of batteries used.

You mentioned that it stores data for future review? The batteries could be changed when the data is analyzed.

Are you planning to just create a 'functional' replica (i.e. something that just copies the functionality of another device)?
Title: Button Hardware
Post by: Sora on October 26, 2009, 01:07:44 AM
Hold the phone.
Are you trying to reverse-engineer the signal so that you can tell it you've pushed the button when you haven't? So that you can fudge off work?
Anyway, you'd need a frequency detector of some kind, and those are expensive...
Title: Button Hardware
Post by: Vash342 on October 26, 2009, 05:17:37 PM
Quote from: "Alex S"So it makes sure guards do their rounds...

You'd be right, a 1.5v AA battery probably couldn't handle data writing. Lithium coin cell batteries last a while, and provide more voltage than alkaline AA-type batteries. I would guess that those are the types of batteries used.

You mentioned that it stores data for future review? The batteries could be changed when the data is analyzed.

Are you planning to just create a 'functional' replica (i.e. something that just copies the functionality of another device)?

When they get the data they hit a button that is just like any other.

Quote from: "Sora"Hold the phone.
Are you trying to reverse-engineer the signal so that you can tell it you've pushed the button when you haven't? So that you can fudge off work?
Anyway, you'd need a frequency detector of some kind, and those are expensive...

I find it hard to fudge off at work when i'm on camera and watch from 24 hour personnel, besides the fact that I don't use this.  Another site uses it to keep track because they have less personnel.  Besides, i'm fond of walking anyways.  I put in a good 4 miles a night sometimes.

Another point, I made an FM Signal Interrupter in high school.  I could take over any signal when I tuned it into a certain frequency.  Alas though I made it in high school and has since been destroyed because it's very illegal.  Trust me, don't want to get caught with one of those,  he he he...  Whole point of the project, and the teacher made us build it for a grade too, was to understand signals and how they worked.  If it makes a difference, the state allowed us to build them for educational purposes.
Title: Button Hardware
Post by: Alex S on October 26, 2009, 06:35:10 PM
Would it be correct to guess that you don't know how the buttons work?

From what this sounds like, you just tap the button with the wand, not actually 'push' anything, right?

Also, the guards would tap their wand on one last button in order to download the data off of it?

You'd actually be able to build this, or at least replicate it once you know how it works.  In what country do you live?
Title: Button Hardware
Post by: Vash342 on October 27, 2009, 05:20:22 PM
Yes, I have no clue.  I'm just guessing, and trying my hardest from my own reasoning.  There is no website explaining this to me, only certain articles published to the web about the tool itself.

Yes, they "tap" the button, or press it against the button.  There are no moving parts.

The supervisor goes into his fofice and downloads the data off the button the next morning he comes in and prints a report.

I live in the USA.