Please help about vista-tan.
Who is real Vista-Tan?
(http://ostan-collections.net/imeeji/albums/userpics/10622/normal_1172699547410.jpg)
or
(http://ostan-collections.net/imeeji/albums/userpics/10622/normal_1171459093635.jpg)
or
(http://ostan-collections.net/imeeji/albums/userpics/10622/normal_1170615357635.jpg)
I don't think people agree on who the "standard" design for Vista is that's somehow easily recognizable (since as a OS Vista is so new)... yet. Wait a year or so ^^
I do like the Magical Girl type Vista though XD
Quote from: "Laevatein"I don't think people agree on who the "standard" design for Vista is that's somehow easily recognizable (since as a OS Vista is so new)... yet. Wait a year or so ^^
Exactly.
As far as what has been posted on Wakachan, the Seifuku vista design has been the "accepted" design in the last months:
Seifuku Vista (http://ostan-collections.net/imeeji/albums/userpics/10622/normal_1172699547410.jpg)
She was created on 2chan's ".img" board, the one which was the one who gave birth to the previous designs.
However, since that time, the number of "Random" boards has increased (not completely sure if there was more than one back to 2003) to a total of 5: "img", "nov", "may", "dat" and "temp". And they don't want to be left behind the creative process, so they several artist have started to propose several designs.
I know that most of those designs come from "nov" and "may", while (after having explored that board a few hours, so don't take this as an accurate truth) "img" seems to keep their support for Seifuku Vis-tan. Not sure about the role of the other 2 remaining boards.
And some of the Anonymous at Wakachan are angry because they feel the process of "deciding" an OS-tan design should be entirely made at 2chan's img board, due to "tradition" (in their words: "it's lame to take over their show").
It'll take a while before a final Vis-tan design is decided, as the more influential boards are the 2chan's ones, and since each one support a different array of designs, it's difficult to know who's design will be accepted by everyone. But I think that everyone should be allowed to be part of this process as the OS-tans is a fan-based phenomena. But of course as the whole OS-tan community will have the final word (specially the Japanese one, the english boards are a minority).
And by the way, there CAN be more than one design. In fact, everyone seems to be taking the way of having 4 different designs, one for each version of the OS
I for one, support this design :D: Mahou Shoujo Vis-tan (http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c212/Darknight_88/1172067995125.jpg)
P.S: take this as a short summary of this (http://www.wakachan.org/os/res/23962.html) discussion.
Now THAT's the Vista I'm talking about XD
i can't decide between the mahou shoujo or the seifuku!!!
Then what about Visbou? The ninja, is she some sort of wacky sidekick to seifuku vista? ;013
Quote from: "NejinOniwa"Then what about Visbou? The ninja, is she some sort of wacky sidekick to seifuku vista? ;013
Not really sure about her, but yeah, seems to be the weird seifuku's sidekick. Seems to receive the same support as seifuku's
As a personal opinion...I don't mind if seifuku would stay as one of the 4 Vis-tans. But I HATE ninjas. I think that explains my opinion about her...
...
Will the real Vistan please stand up?
*resumes post*
Seriously, I hate the ninja too. I don't know why, but I feel as though there are too many ninjas nowadays. The seifuku is better. Ah...that's the stuff.
As for me, I dont hate ninjas. It's just the idea for Vista-tan to be ninja isn't really my type.
Sou sou, Vistan strikes me as more big or bloaty or at least frilly.
A ninja would be more appropriate for an older version of Windows, or at least something else that's fast, agile and works from the shadows. ^___^
By the way, Darknight, the Mahou Shoujo Vis-tan is an original creation of Nijiura (http://ostan.matrix.jp/os/vista/src.php). I even love their Vista Home-tan!
I've personally always prefer Nijiura's side of things! They have good sense of design and fashion. They are also accurate when it comes to the OS-tans.
Quote from: "C-Chan"Sou sou, Vistan strikes me as more big or bloaty or at least frilly.
A ninja would be more appropriate for an older version of Windows, or at least something else that's fast, agile and works from the shadows. ^___^
Ninja-contiki-tan! Must draw!
Slightly off topic, but still. I spotted this guy yesterday...
(http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g239/NejinOniwa/OS-Tans/Vis-kun_Cig.png)
Could it be!?!? VIS-KUN!? Probably! (since he has the screw stuffs and looks more like a snob than what could possibly be legal.)
I hate him already.
i don't like kuns>_<
ok i admit that tans are much more attractive^.^
Desho? Well, actually i'd say like this...
The Kuns are a part of it all as well - although not as big part as the Tans - and besides some of the funniest comic strips are with the Kuns, so at least I have a hard time -not- liking them. But this guy...i mean, look at himssu! Arrogant, Smoker, Snob, name something bad and he's got it! Argh, i hate him GOOD.
Maybe they are! ;)
Quote from: "Alfamille"By the way, Darknight, the Mahou Shoujo Vis-tan is an original creation of Nijiura (http://ostan.matrix.jp/os/vista/src.php). I even love their Vista Home-tan!
I've personally always prefer Nijiura's side of things! They have good sense of design and fashion. They are also accurate when it comes to the OS-tans.
Yep, I know. I have never seen Nijiura designing a new OS-tan, but looking at this design, all I have to say is that I agree with you, they have a great sense of design and fashion.
Unfortunately, according to Anonymous, the most influential board seems to be 2chan's img. But I hope this is not the case.
Mahou Shoujo Vis-tan, now in Business (or Enterprise?) edition! (http://img155.imageshack.us/img155/1594/1173549246763ft8.jpg)
:D
Hey 95 kun is the shit, hes that light hearted drunkard samurai... and even he is scared of his sister
3.1kun... he wears a uniform. Maybe that means i got a chance with 3.1sama! :D :D
2k Is cool too, reliable, dependable, and still a pervert!
its just... xp... *shutter*
Anyhow exept for one, i have no problem with kuns. A for vista, the ninja is my favorite so far.
Quote from: "Darknight_88"
Yep, I know. I have never seen Nijiura designing a new OS-tan, but looking at this design, all I have to say is that I agree with you, they have a great sense of design and fashion.
Unfortunately, according to Anonymous, the most influential board seems to be 2chan's img. But I hope this is not the case.
Mahou Shoujo Vis-tan, now in Business (or Enterprise?) edition! (http://img155.imageshack.us/img155/1594/1173549246763ft8.jpg)
:D
The Vis-tan Bussiness/Enterprise clothing seems to be little bit similar to 2k-tan's long suit, also similar to Juzo-kun's Debian-tan's outfit.
Of course 2ch is a really huge influence of 4chan (along with its subsites), and 4chan will always follows the footsteps of influence...and for that, 4chan will be always famous for being well known international imageboard.
Although Nijiura maybe not as popular as 2ch (even in Japan), it is a great alternative as an imageboard community. It offers nicer and decent kinds of things and the most impressive about them is that they freely accept artworks outside their country. No wonder Juzo-kun's artworks were included in their gallery because he is also a poster there.
I am even suprised that they accept something like BeOS-tan in which other imageboards, obviously...can be deleted or flamed.
http://nijiura.com/os/thumb/1173631142558s.jpg
Look, people, "Nijiura" IS img! Futaba started out with a single Nijiura board on the img server, and later added more of them, so now they are usually referred to as "img", "dat", "may", "nov" and "jun", but "Nijiura" is the collective name.
Now, nijiura.com is a SPINOFF, using the same name. It's a fairly small board, but visited by some influential artists. It is definitely not any kind of center of creativity, though. That would be the img Nijiura.
Quote from: "AnonymousSage"Look, people, "Nijiura" IS img! Futaba started out with a single Nijiura board on the img server, and later added more of them, so now they are usually referred to as "img", "dat", "may", "nov" and "jun", but "Nijiura" is the collective name.
Now, nijiura.com is a SPINOFF, using the same name. It's a fairly small board, but visited by some influential artists. It is definitely not any kind of center of creativity, though. That would be the img Nijiura.
I'm assuming that you are replying to what I've said before,
but what is really your point Mr. Anonymous? You gave us a little bit info about a certain history of Nijiura, but all I said was that I personally prefer Nijiura's design.
And I also wanted to inform you too that most of the artist here are shaping their own -tans ' design and personality instead of having influences by the "img" in Futaba. Yet, we still give recognition to Futaba as the one who gave the original concept of OS-tans.
My point is explaining what "Nijiura" really is, as nobody seems to know, even though they created the OS-tans.
Nijiura (èâ,,¢Â¹Ã¨Â£Â) is:
http://img.2chan.net/b/ (The OS-tans were created on this specific board)
http://dat.2chan.net/b/
http://may.2chan.net/b/
http://nov.2chan.net/b/
http://jun.2chan.net/b/
Nijiura.com is "＋ã«ã˜ゅら＋", and is a small spin-off. Referring to them as simply "Nijiura" is confusing and kind of insulting to the original creators.
Added after 5 minutes:
I should also add for you personally that "2ch" has nothing at all to do with the OS-tans in any fashion. "2ch" is "2channel", located at http://www.2ch.net/. They are the biggest discussion forum on the internet, and they influence most everything that happens on the Japanese internet, but they are NOT related to Futaba except for the fact that Futaba picked a similar domain name when they started off.
Well then, thanks Anonymous
It's true almost nobody knows what Nijiura really is (When someone says nijiura, everyone thinks of Nijiura.net), nor here nor in Wakachan, though everyone recognizes that 2chan (.img, nijiura, futaba) is the one who created them.
...
Yeah, 2ch would be the equivalent to the 4-ch discussion boards at 4chan, as 2chan is the equivalent of 4chan.
Quote from: "AnonymousSage"My point is explaining what "Nijiura" really is, as nobody seems to know, even though they created the OS-tans.
Nijiura (èâ,,¢Â¹Ã¨Â£Â) is:
http://img.2chan.net/b/ (The OS-tans were created on this specific board)
http://dat.2chan.net/b/
http://may.2chan.net/b/
http://nov.2chan.net/b/
http://jun.2chan.net/b/
Nijiura.com is "＋ã«ã˜ゅら＋", and is a small spin-off. Referring to them as simply "Nijiura" is confusing and kind of insulting to the original creators.
I should also add for you personally that "2ch" has nothing at all to do with the OS-tans in any fashion. "2ch" is "2channel", located at http://www.2ch.net/. They are the biggest discussion forum on the internet, and they influence most everything that happens on the Japanese internet, but they are NOT related to Futaba except for the fact that Futaba picked a similar domain name when they started off.
Ah :) .....well I really knew the difference from the start because that info was also stated in the Imageboard article in Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imageboard) long ago in which once I read the confusion of the so-called "nijiura" section in Futaba and the "++" and also 2ch over 2channel.
But yes, I admit I made a mistake using 2ch(2channel) over 2 chan, but of course obviously I meant 2chan instead of 2channel, so as I mistakenly use "nijiura" as "+Nijiura+" in which it should be "+Nijiura+", not "nijiura"I still made a mistake due to little bit confusion, even though I knew their differences all along. I'm not perfect though. But still I thank you for that reminder of yours Mr. anonymous.
(By the way, I never saw you introduced yourself Mr. Anonymous, welcome to the boards!)
Saying "2chan" at all is risky. Any Japanese person would assume you mean 2channel if you say "2chan". Stick to "Futaba" to lessen confusion.
And I don't introduce myself, because it doesn't matter who I am. And I really think you should be enabling anonymous posting here, because it really is kind of a disgrace to have an community that is supposed to be about OS-tans registration-only, when those same OS-tans were originally created on a board that values anonymity to the point that most art is unsigned and contributed anonymously. I really don't have much interest in being part of any clique-filled and ego-driven forum either, so I won't be staying long.
Quote from: "AnonymousSage"Saying "2chan" at all is risky. Any Japanese person would assume you mean 2channel if you say "2chan". Stick to "Futaba" to lessen confusion.
Sure sir! I'll keep that in mind...
QuoteAnd I don't introduce myself, because it doesn't matter who I am. And I really think you should be enabling anonymous posting here, because it really is kind of a disgrace to have an community that is supposed to be about OS-tans registration-only, when those same OS-tans were originally created on a board that values anonymity to the point that most art is unsigned and contributed anonymously.
Well I don't wanna be the one who speaks in behalf of this site. After all i am not the owner, I'm not even a staff member. So I don't control things here.
Enabling anonymous posting? which allows trolling and flaming? That could happen, who knows? But personally my opinion regarding to what you said is that
in my personal experience around the net. I really prefer on staying on forums than imageboards. Don't get me wrong, I have nothing against other imageboards and sometimes I also post and discuss with them too. It's just personally I prefer a forum over an imageboard in obvious reasons.
QuoteI really don't have much interest in being part of any clique-filled and ego-driven forum either, so I won't be staying long.
Well...nobody is stopping you Mr. Anonymous! And I think maybe I don't wanna continue discussing you with this anymore. Of course you are entitled to your own opinion but you calling this community as "clique-filled" and "ego-driven" would not really do or help anything...
thanks for stopping by... ;020
Quote from: "AnonymousSage"
And I don't introduce myself, because it doesn't matter who I am. And I really think you should be enabling anonymous posting here, because it really is kind of a disgrace to have an community that is supposed to be about OS-tans registration-only, when those same OS-tans were originally created on a board that values anonymity to the point that most art is unsigned and contributed anonymously. I really don't have much interest in being part of any clique-filled and ego-driven forum either, so I won't be staying long.
Well, call it "social forum" instead of "clique-filled and ego-driven forum" and you are closer to the point.
QuoteEnabling anonymous posting? which allows trolling and flaming? That could happen, who knows? But personally my opinion regarding to what you said is that
in my personal experience around the net. I really prefer on staying on forums than imageboards. Don't get me wrong, I have nothing against other imageboards and sometimes I also post and discuss with them too. It's just personally I prefer a forum over an imageboard in obvious reasons.
I was
trying to make the point here that the OS-tans were created in the absolutely wildest and most uncontrolled kind of anonymous environment. And they certainly are far more interesting than anything I've ever seen created by this kind of safe and restricted forum.
If you really were interested in them, you would not lock yourself up in here, you would be out there following the
real action. Nijiura has created far more than the OS-tans, and much of it is very exciting and amusing.
I am not interested in the loads of unrelated characters, which are posted there. Sorry, but habanero-tans... cigarette-tans...
I definitely agree with Tux-sama.
Also, the complete chaos which rules boards like that are too much to handle in some kind of controlled manner unless you're hooked up 24/7, which is not only stupid and way-off-the-scale of unnecessary nerdiness, but also TOTALLY NOT SEXY.
If it's "too much to handle", how did that kind of board create the OS-tans you like so much?
because they think RL is what happens to others. Not everyone is like that!
QuoteIf it's "too much to handle", how did that kind of board create the OS-tans you like so much?
Don't tell me you're Waha6x36!
Quotebecause they think RL is what happens to others. Not everyone is like that!
So basically you think the creators of the OS-tans are hopeless losers?
QuoteDon't tell me you're Waha6x36!
And if I am, what does that mean to you?
QuoteAnd if I am, what does that mean to you?
It means that you did finally come to our forum (I read the wakachan posts)!
...oh great.
Lord help us...
Don't ask his name, that's why he's anonymous. And no, his style of writing is surely different from Waha. But knowing who's who doesn't matter.
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Anonymous posting on the OS-tan subforums? I wouldn't mind that, it's just a matter of the other members to discuss it. It'd allow more contribution for anyone interested, and the best advantage is that threads here aren't erased. The only-members rule then would apply to the Lounge boards, because, as you said, most anonymous aren't interested on the "clique" from this forums, but on OS-tans. Of course, that depends of the administration.
And I think most of us would willingly allow anonymous edition of the wiki (lol, some of us can't also edit it), and the rewrite of some sections should be in process.
So, Anonymous, I want to hear what else do you think can help us become less locked, to improve?
P.S:To anyone who thinks that this is like giving up: no, it's not giving up, its improving.
goodness. >_>
I don't like where this is heading judging from everyone's tone, (Darknight, thank you for your calmer tone) but I'll make my points:
1) Clarification on + Nijiura + and Futaba duly noted.
2) I have utmost respect to those who came up with the OS personification idea. The fact that they released it without so much as a signature surprises me as well. I'd very much like to find the artists that made those pic uploaded by other members, but sadly, I don't have much time to search madly in a language I can hardly understand.
3) Anonymous posting:
True, OS-tans were created in such an environment. And yes, true, there is much more than that out there. The craziness there is conducive to creativity (particularly humor). However, I don't believe that the whole place should be open to anonymous posting. Despite that, I am open to the fact that there are those random visitors such as yourself who'd like to have a say in here.
In the spirit of compromise, since I'm sure many members like the restricted membership,
Proposal 1: create areas of the forum that are open to all. Possibly the suggestion forum. Whether or not you open up the one we already have, or create a new one is up to you.
Proposal 2: create an oekaki board. Opening a place where people can draw may allow new artists to help influence this place.
Personally, I'd say that we need an:
IMAGEBOARD
That way, we could open it up to anyone, like what Wakachan is doing. However, we keep this forum to discuss important things and limit it to members. Also, we should open up the wiki to anyone as well. I think that will work the best.
I don't think so, There's no reason for an imageboard of our own when Wakachan's /os/ already exists
What we need is to open ourselves to opinions from people outside this forums, with a wide array of opinions.
Doing a "members only" OS-tan discussion for "important" topics would be like an insult. I'd feel that way.
Personally, i think we are
DRIFTING DANGEROUSLY OFF-TOPIC
Also, we're speaking about the same things in a lot of threads right now, and that is making my head hurt.
Quote from: "AnonymousSage"
If you really were interested in them, you would not lock yourself up in here, you would be out there following the real action. Nijiura has created far more than the OS-tans, and much of it is very exciting and amusing.
We are not Nijiura. This site is an
OS-tan fansite. A fansite that loves the characters that were once made in http://img.2chan.net/b/ and also from other places too. It's not that we don't like the other mascots that were made by Nijiura of some sort, but rather we focus more on the OS-tans (in obvious reasons) than others.
If you're not amused here, thats ok...we respect that.
Quote from: "AnonymousSage"If it's "too much to handle", how did that kind of board create the OS-tans you like so much?
Quote from: "SleepyD"
3) Anonymous posting:
True, OS-tans were created in such an environment. And yes, true, there is much more than that out there. The craziness there is conducive to creativity (particularly humor). However, I don't believe that the whole place should be open to anonymous posting. Despite that, I am open to the fact that there are those random visitors such as yourself who'd like to have a say in here.
In the spirit of compromise, since I'm sure many members like the restricted membership
SleepyD almost told the things I wanted to say. I give credit to you Jeff,
Plus I think no one here is blocking people from the outside.
I'm not against taking suggestion to them. But I think they have to realize that this forum will have certain differences from those places they like to compare here. What's the point of creating this forum if we're gonna be commonly the same as others? That's my personal opinion though. I am participating on imageboards as an anonymous person too just like anybody else , but I am participating here as Alfamille.
But still anonymous posting in here could be possible? who knows....
*but pls. don't let the wiki be open. Not all sites with wikis are open.
Seriously, there should be a partnership with policies on both sides. If you know what I mean.
Sigh... Since I just made my announcement in the topicless thread, I wont take any action against posters yet... but Ill repeat one last time... ABSOLUTELY NO FLAMEWAR on the forum. This topic is locked untill the useful info on hidden in the crap about the original creators gets properly recorded in the wiki, and then im going to delete it, like I said. Im sorry for the loss of page of actuall discussion on Vis-tans design.. but like I announced earlier.. any thread that starts flamewar material will get deleted.