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OS-tan discussions => OS-tan Talk => Topic started by: zerodin on February 07, 2007, 02:25:48 PM

Title: Huh...just had an odd thought.
Post by: zerodin on February 07, 2007, 02:25:48 PM
What are OS-tans exactly.
Are they simply mascots.
Little robots that run on their respective OSes?
The OS itself?
Title: Huh...just had an odd thought.
Post by: C-Chan on February 07, 2007, 02:58:21 PM
You might view them sort of as mascots (but not really, since mascots tend to be animals), but in reality they are Anime-style personifications of the Operating Systems themselves.  -v-

Think of the new Apple commercials where you have one average joe-type man personifying the Macintosh, and a business rep personifying Windows.  Something like that.  -v-
Title: Huh...just had an odd thought.
Post by: zerodin on February 07, 2007, 04:31:29 PM
Well I ask because I've seen pics of em with USB cables and such before.
Title: Huh...just had an odd thought.
Post by: Laevatein on February 08, 2007, 07:44:50 AM
Most often, the OS-tans are antropomorphs of the OS themselves i.e. they're what the OS would look like if they took on human form, which is why one of the most endearing traits about OS-tans is how their behavior, looks and personalities are derived from the various traits of the OS they're based on (like XP being hungry all the time because she need lots of memory, or how 95 hates Mac because they were real-world rivals, and of course how ME is shown as a klutz because most people found ME unreliable, which started the whole OS-tan business in the first place XD).
Title: Huh...just had an odd thought.
Post by: Lovee on February 09, 2007, 01:16:42 AM
Quote from: "zerodin"Well I ask because I've seen pics of em with USB cables and such before.

ME also take "negi" and mac os always take bombs...
i can understand why ME takes negi but why do mac os take bombs?
Title: Huh...just had an odd thought.
Post by: Laevatein on February 09, 2007, 01:18:26 AM
While I've never used Macs too much, supposedly the bombs are the graphics used to denote errors (like Window's exclamation mark). Someone clarify for us please ^^;;;
Title: Huh...just had an odd thought.
Post by: Lovee on February 09, 2007, 02:32:47 AM
Quote from: "Laevatein"While I've never used Macs too much, supposedly the bombs are the graphics used to denote errors (like Window's exclamation mark). Someone clarify for us please ^^;;;

well i haven't seen a graphic or mark like a bomb on mac, and that's why i'm so interested in that bomb...
it seems that someone told me about it before but i forgot -v-
Title: Huh...just had an odd thought.
Post by: Tsubashi on February 09, 2007, 07:13:05 AM
Oh! Bombs were used on "Classic" Macintosh systems when a program crashed. It's windows equivalent is:
Quote from: "Win98"This program has performed an illegal operation and will now be shut down
Most of the time it required you to reboot your Mac. I've played around with a lot of old Mac, so I've seen this a couple of times.

BTW, "Classic," in general, denotes pre-OS X systems. OS X, due to it's radical deviation from most Mac OS's, wraps both the "Sad Mac" and the Bomb into it's Kernel Panic, which I have seen a total of Twice.

The "Sad Mac" was, for those who don't know, the "Classic" Mac's Blue Screen of Death.
Title: Huh...just had an odd thought.
Post by: Lovee on February 09, 2007, 08:34:01 AM
uh i have seen "sad mac" for some times... on my iPod...
but i really didn't know the bomb-v-
thanQ ^ ^
Title: Huh...just had an odd thought.
Post by: Tsubashi on February 09, 2007, 08:42:27 AM
No Problem. I'm just glad I actually was able to help!
Title: Huh...just had an odd thought.
Post by: C-Chan on February 09, 2007, 10:31:30 AM
Just out of curiousity, what does this Kernel Panic look like?  ^__^

(I suppose I could just google it, but then where would the discussion be?  ^v^)
Title: Huh...just had an odd thought.
Post by: Kami-Tux on February 09, 2007, 10:54:29 AM
hmmmmmm, lemme try to catch one for ya, brb!

Here:
(http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k117/SystemKarela/stuff/kernelpanic.png)
Title: Huh...just had an odd thought.
Post by: C-Chan on February 09, 2007, 11:05:13 AM
WAI!!!  You seem to have your hands on a Mac, or at least access to one, I take it.  ^__^
Title: Huh...just had an odd thought.
Post by: Kami-Tux on February 09, 2007, 11:06:33 AM
what good is editing the last post if someone posts later... :P
Title: Huh...just had an odd thought.
Post by: C-Chan on February 09, 2007, 11:40:32 AM
...................................................I can see now where the OSX-tans take after Unix.... ^^;

Iyaaaaa, that's horrible...  ;__;
Now we can't say that the Macs have a cuter death screen than windows. ;___;

(Although if it's anything like the Guru Meditation, then it's at least useful to those who can read it.  ^^;)
Title: Huh...just had an odd thought.
Post by: Kami-Tux on February 09, 2007, 11:45:46 AM
Kernelhackers can understand it. I guess, they made it in a way to get all relevant info. There used to be an ascii-Art kernelpanic as well, but I can not find it.

(this picture was from the BSOD screensaver, BTW)
Title: Huh...just had an odd thought.
Post by: Lovee on February 09, 2007, 11:54:04 AM
wow it's really hard to read those professional words>_<
i guess maybe i should by a new dictionary:P
Title: Huh...just had an odd thought.
Post by: C-Chan on February 09, 2007, 12:40:42 PM
Naturally the stuff on the Kernel Panic screen is just code,... leftovers from the UNIX (NeXTStep/Darwin) base that OSX is built on, I'm sure.  ^^

As for the rest

Unix = old but very successful operating system from the 60's that pioneered many of the features we use in today's OSes.  Has more descendants than there are non-UNIX OSes like Windows.  ^^;

Guru Meditation = error screen from the old Amiga operating system.  ^__

Kernelhackers = anyone who can access, understand, and modify the code of the Operating Systems kernel (the code that tells it how to run).

ascii-Art = ascii is the text you see in the Kernel Panic screen above, so ascii art is just a picture made from that text.  In the old days of typewriters, some people had enough skills to create beautiful works of art just by creating images with type letters.  Same thing here. -v-

BSOD = "Blue Screen of Death"  The famous Windows death screen that everyone loves to hate.  ^__^

=====

As for your string of Japanese in your signature, I'm gonna guess it means something like:

"That bird can't fly now, but will soar one day!"  ^__^
Title: Huh...just had an odd thought.
Post by: Tsubashi on February 09, 2007, 01:25:45 PM
Well, um, wow! I haven't seen that type of kernel panic before...
Though it sorta follows the typical OS X 10.0 to 10.1.5 Death Screens...

OS X 10.2 till now are much simpler, just a box in the middle of the screen.

(http://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u239/Tsubashi/106227_3.jpg)

(http://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u239/Tsubashi/106227_2.jpg)

What version were you running, Kami-tux-san?
Title: Huh...just had an odd thought.
Post by: C-Chan on February 09, 2007, 01:39:53 PM
[dreamily]  Aaaaaaaah yes......  That's more like it.  ^___^
I knew the OSX girls wouldn't let me down, what with their fine choice in aesthetics.  -v-

*amorous sigh*

Kami-Tux said she got it from the BSOD screensaver, so I betcha it's probably from an old Darwin beta.  

Speaking of which,...  Pop Quiz time....  -v-

C-CHAN CHECK!!!

I'm offering 500,000 C-chan points to whoever brings me an old Guru Meditation screen.  ^___^
Title: Huh...just had an odd thought.
Post by: Myrdin on February 09, 2007, 01:56:58 PM
You mean this?
(http://i95.photobucket.com/albums/l129/Myrdin_2006/Guru_meditation.gif)
Title: Huh...just had an odd thought.
Post by: C-Chan on February 09, 2007, 01:58:37 PM
500,000 C-chan points to the kitty with the pipe!!!  ^v^
Title: Huh...just had an odd thought.
Post by: Tsubashi on February 09, 2007, 08:07:49 PM
Hehehe I suppose this doesn't qualify as an "Old" system, now does it?

(http://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u239/Tsubashi/Bing.jpg)
Title: Huh...just had an odd thought.
Post by: Lovee on February 09, 2007, 09:18:30 PM
Quote from: "C-Chan"Naturally the stuff on the Kernel Panic screen is just code,... leftovers from the UNIX (NeXTStep/Darwin) base that OSX is built on, I'm sure.  ^^

As for the rest

Unix = old but very successful operating system from the 60's that pioneered many of the features we use in today's OSes.  Has more descendants than there are non-UNIX OSes like Windows.  ^^;

Guru Meditation = error screen from the old Amiga operating system.  ^__

Kernelhackers = anyone who can access, understand, and modify the code of the Operating Systems kernel (the code that tells it how to run).

ascii-Art = ascii is the text you see in the Kernel Panic screen above, so ascii art is just a picture made from that text.  In the old days of typewriters, some people had enough skills to create beautiful works of art just by creating images with type letters.  Same thing here. -v-

BSOD = "Blue Screen of Death"  The famous Windows death screen that everyone loves to hate.  ^__^

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As for your string of Japanese in your signature, I'm gonna guess it means something like:

"That bird can't fly now, but will soar one day!"  ^__^

thanks a lot for explain those words to me and the signature is actually a sentence in the lyric of tori no uta (birds' song?), and it's the theme song of AIR^ ^ but anyway, u got the meaning of it^o^
Title: Huh...just had an odd thought.
Post by: C-Chan on February 09, 2007, 10:58:05 PM
QuoteHehehe I suppose this doesn't qualify as an "Old" system, now does it?

Nope,... but kudos anyway for making me envision the prospect of an Amiga laptop.  ^___^

Methinks I should ask the Amiga gurus (Raffaele-san and AmigaBob) whether such a thing may have existed at some point.  ^^'

Quotethanks a lot for explain those words to me and the signature is actually a sentence in the lyric of tori no uta (birds' song?), and it's the theme song of AIR^ ^ but anyway, u got the meaning of it^o^

Aaah, I see now.  ^__^
That reminds me, I do have to watch that series still (AIR).  ^v^

*runs off*
Title: Huh...just had an odd thought.
Post by: Laevatein on February 09, 2007, 11:44:22 PM
Guru... meditation? O_o

BSOD has nothing on that error line XD
Title: Huh...just had an odd thought.
Post by: C-Chan on February 10, 2007, 12:33:13 AM
"There's no school like old school"!  ^___^

But in fairness, there ARE much older death screens than even Amiga-san's Meditation.  ^v^

If Kami-Tux' screensaver is the one I think it is, she probably has the Apple ][ death screens available as well.  ^.^
Title: Huh...just had an odd thought.
Post by: Lovee on February 10, 2007, 02:55:02 AM
QuoteAaah, I see now. ^__^
That reminds me, I do have to watch that series still (AIR). ^v^

oh i like that anime very much and i think it's really a good anime as well as kanon

and i didn't notice that the mark on the power button of a mac is just like a bomb really until today -v-
Title: Huh...just had an odd thought.
Post by: Kami-Tux on February 10, 2007, 05:46:21 AM
Quote from: "C-Chan"
If Kami-Tux' screensaver is the one I think it is, she probably has the Apple ][ death screens available as well.  ^.^

It is the one, you think!

I just checked the documentation and found this gem:

Quote
BUGS
      Unlike the systems being simulated, bsod  does  not  require  a  reboot after running.
;001
Title: Huh...just had an odd thought.
Post by: Raffaele the Amigan on February 11, 2007, 04:56:16 AM
Quote from: "C-Chan"
QuoteHehehe I suppose this doesn't qualify as an "Old" system, now does it?

Nope,... but kudos anyway for making me envision the prospect of an Amiga laptop.  ^___^

Methinks I should ask the Amiga gurus (Raffaele-san and AmigaBob) whether such a thing may have existed at some point.  ^^'

It is just a photo of a laptop running Amiga emulator, guy...  ;011

And the very secret desire of any Amigan to run their OS native on a laptop.

Unfortunately ancient Commodore never produced Amiga Chip Set in a mobile version, so an Amiga laptop never took place.  ;014  ;066

Added after 1 hours 22 minutes:

Added after 4 minutes:

Here are mac Bombs

(http://www.bekkoame.ne.jp/~tesshie/neo/MacOS/picture/bombs.jpg)


Sad mac icon:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sad_Mac

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/1/1f/Sad_mac.png)


And various Sad mac icons, real, fanfics or even false...

http://images.google.it/images?svnum=10&hl=it&q=sad+mac+icon&btnG=Cerca


And I found also Atari ST row of Bombs...

"The more the bombs, the worst the problem..."

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/8/89/Row_of_bombs.png)


Bombs T-Shirt

(http://www.old-computers.com/store/goodies/graphs/museum_atari_st_bombs.gif)



And there comes other funny interesting Amiga facts:


Amiga animated mouse pointer sleeps while loading from disk or Hard-disk.

(if a block occourred during this operation, maybe due to an "out-of-available-memory error", the mouse pointer will freeze in this aspect)

(http://amiga.czex.com/images/zz.gif)


How the Guru Meditation was born:

http://www.amigahistory.co.uk/joyboard.html


And how to read Amiga Guru Meditation Error Codes:

http://www.amigahistory.co.uk/guruguide.html


Amiga "Insert Workbench Disk" starting screen 1.2 and 1.3:

(http://www.amiga.it/storia/img/parte1/kickstart1.jpg)


Amiga "Insert any bootable Disk" starting screen 2.0 and 3.0

(just load the site, and it will emulate full Amiga screen)

http://gbraad.nl/site/pages/amiga


Amiga Boing Ball Demo:

(http://www.amiga.it/storia/img/parte1/boingdemo.jpg)

Unfortunately you can't see it animated and playing a gentle "boing" ping sound when it collides with border walls.

[Edit]

Wow! At least I found an animgif of it...

(http://www.the-amiga-zone.com/mainpics/anims/anim_boing_soft.gif)

[Edit End]


Lorraine the Amiga prototype...

A bunch of boards connected together emulating chipset of Amiga which was still not in solid silicon and reduced at chip-size...


WOW! Moving entire screens with Mouse:

(http://www.amiga.it/storia/img/parte2/boing-wb13-screenshot.jpg)


And here comes a little gift for you all:

A fabulous site which preserve many of the Amiga Demos:

http://ada.untergrund.net/

Did you ever heard of demoscene? There were sort of videoclips showing the capabilites of programmers who fight each other to demonstrate who was the best.

See here an anim file showing how much powerful was a 7MHz clocked Amiga 500 with OCS: Old Chip Set (only 4096 colors).

State of the Art demo by Spaceballs group:

http://ada.untergrund.net/showdemo.php?demoid=141

Here should be an .avi version of it (warn: 20 Megabytes of weight)

http://omr.planet-d.net/amidemos/sota.zip


Amiga DeLuxe Paint:

(http://www.retronet.altervista.org/retronet/ss/ss_dpaint.png)

Amiga Color Cycling art by Jack Bice

http://www.virtualgalleries.com/page150.html

(Gif too big in KB to fit ostan rules. Follow links)

http://www.virtualgalleries.com/ColorcycleMural%201.gif


Amiga Lagoon by Jim Sachs, made on Brilliance paint program

http://www.palmerfamily.name/sachs.html

(Gif too big in KB to fit ostan rules. Follow links)

http://www.palmerfamily.name/sachs/amigalagoon.gif


Amiga vector tiger which becames a famous logo of Postscript:

(Gif too big in KB to fit ostan rules. Follow links)

http://www.amiga-magazin.de/magazin/a08-04/ghostscript/bild5.gif


Very famous Amiga Juggler Demo.

http://www.randelshofer.ch/animations/anims/various_artists/jugglerVE.html

If Amiga boing ball was a false 3D and in the real it was just a sprite colliding with virtual walls, but with stereo audio effects...

Then the juggler was one of the first 3D demo of ray tracing rendering with MONO music collisions on a personal computer in 1986 .

It took various days for modeling and tracying but the resulting anim it is in real time by Amiga at 7MHz OCS old chip set (only 4096 colors).

Initially people believe it was an hoax.

Movie in .avi format here:

http://www.randelshofer.ch/animations/anims/various_artists/juggler.avi


Then Amiga 3D modelers and raytracers evolved so far:


Amiga lightwave 3D editor

(Gif too big in KB to fit ostan rules. Follow links)

http://www.retronet.altervista.org/retronet/ss/ss_lightwave.png


Amiga World Construction Set

(Gif too big in KB to fit ostan rules. Follow links)

http://pegasos.jinak.cz/clanky/amiga_programy/wcs_result.jpg
Title: Huh...just had an odd thought.
Post by: Tsubashi on February 11, 2007, 12:04:31 PM
QuoteIt is just a photo of a laptop running Amiga emulator, guy...

Actually, it's not even that! It a Powerbook G4 displaying a picture of the Guru Meditation Screen (Zoom in on the lower right corner of the screen and you can see the controls, I forgot to hide them! ^_^)

I just though it would be cool. ^^;
Title: Huh...just had an odd thought.
Post by: Raffaele the Amigan on February 11, 2007, 01:28:13 PM
Quote from: "Tsubashi"
QuoteIt is just a photo of a laptop running Amiga emulator, guy...

Actually, it's not even that! It a Powerbook G4 displaying a picture of the Guru Meditation Screen (Zoom in on the lower right corner of the screen and you can see the controls, I forgot to hide them! ^_^)

I just though it would be cool. ^^;

Well... Althoug it is cool,   ;010  but at this point you can do more.


So double the fun  ;012  and load this emulator on your laptop. Try it yourself:

http://www.rcdrummond.net/uae/


And here came instructions on how to run it properly:

http://www.thinkcommodore.com/Amiga/AmigaEmulators/E-UAE/E-UAE.html

Quick guide:

http://www.thinkcommodore.com/Amiga/AmigaEmulators/EUAEQuickGuide/EUAEQuickGuide.html


Powered by Macintosh site ThikCommodore

http://www.thinkcommodore.com/
Title: Huh...just had an odd thought.
Post by: NejinOniwa on February 11, 2007, 02:36:26 PM
Wait...how the HELL do you get the exact look of the BSOD, or whatever? It's not like you can take a screenshot or anything, right? -.- ;013
Title: Huh...just had an odd thought.
Post by: Kami-Tux on February 11, 2007, 02:59:36 PM
You can look into the source code... or you can photograph it or just remember it.

BTW: BSOD-screensaver are a bad idea: "Kami-Tux, I was in your room and I saw your PC was crashed. I rebooted it!" - "What do you mean, Mom, crashed?" - "It bluescreened" (needless to say I wasn't even using Windows at that time :)
Title: Huh...just had an odd thought.
Post by: Lovee on February 11, 2007, 11:07:13 PM
Quote from: "Kami-Tux"You can look into the source code... or you can photograph it or just remember it.

BTW: BSOD-screensaver are a bad idea: "Kami-Tux, I was in your room and I saw your PC was crashed. I rebooted it!" - "What do you mean, Mom, crashed?" - "It bluescreened" (needless to say I wasn't even using Windows at that time :)

Remember... what a hard work -v-
and i had a BSOD-screensaver on my mac, but i never used it^.^
Title: Huh...just had an odd thought.
Post by: Raffaele the Amigan on February 12, 2007, 12:47:26 AM
Quote from: "NejinOniwa"Wait...how the HELL do you get the exact look of the BSOD, or whatever? It's not like you can take a screenshot or anything, right? -.- ;013

There are various methods:

Use Windows in a virtual environment. So you are free to use programs of your main window GUI and capture the screen of the emulated machine.

Send the image to TV or recorder at max 640x480, or even send the output which shows BSOD to the input port of another computer which has live digitizer connected to it....

To use a digital device which could bypass video-cable and connect directly to the video port to capture screens.
(Polaroid for example have some in their catalogue).

Use a professional repair device which conncets to PCI and allows to monitorize the hardware and it has some secondary features like freeze situation (freeze frame), take pictures, ecc.

And there are many, many other methods.
Title: Huh...just had an odd thought.
Post by: NejinOniwa on February 12, 2007, 07:42:58 AM
Even so it sounds like a big friggin bother to me.