Hi This is a college student who is majoring in Computer Science.
I want to create a simple online game with OS tan characters
I am thinking of Using 6 characters from Windows, Mac, Linux.
The question is...
What will be happening if I use those characters without a permission?
Do I need a permission to use OS tans or free to use for ALL kinda purpose?
This is a free game project, perhaps for my graduation :D?
And also, I am looking for skilled graphic designers...
If you are good at making small Icons, and willing to help me.
Please contact me.
aim: bookgekgom
msn: bookgekgom@hotmail.com
email: using hotmail same as above.
Thanks for all.
Hello Bookgekgom!
Out of curiosity, what kinda game is this going to be? I'm clueless when it comes to game design, but we do have a lot of forum members who might be of more help...
As for the permission, this is something of a fan creation, so there really aren't "copyrights"...unless MS or Apple finds out about this, that is to say :P
Apple can be just as bad as Microsoft if not worse when it comes to THAT.
Curious what would your cast include? Just the canon OS-tans as they are the most well known? Also, do you have some artistic ability as well as computer skill?
Im sure you will be pestered by the bulk of this board to include all of their favorite alternitive tans, but my recomendation is to use the canon tans that everyone knows.
As for art, what kind of art are you looking for? Animation? Static pictures? Vector art? Soft shading? Manga style? Pixil art? We really need to know more about what your looking for before people can jump forth with their skills. C-Chan is known for his vectors, Id say Darknight is your best option for color soft shading, myself I am best with manga and Im studying animation, and Vandabb would be the ticket for any form of pixil/paint based art.
as for copyright infringment, os-tans are pretty free for all. Just dont try to copyright them yourself. If you try to make any form of claim to them, or try to copyright your game or charge for it, Im sure there are some japanese types that will come down on you like a hammer. The OS-tans are free, and you are free to use them as long as you maintain that public domain.
Thanks for replies.
This game will be very small and simple.
The game will be written in Java, so anyone will be able to run game
in Any OS....
This game will be similar to the game known as "Gun-bound".
There are similar game project going on in ubuntu forum, however,
I decided to make my own project since, they will write the game code in Python....
I am a programmer...do not quite have skill to make a moving icons with OS tans.
However, the game code is under development.
And I hope there will be a someone or many people who will be willing to help me to create bmp images of OS tans...
which will perform in the game...
Thanks for your replies again.
ps. also need music for this game...Oh god....
Hello there Mr. Book,
Afraid I can't help you as much as I could back in the good ol' days, as I'm tied with development of my own. Even so, being on here for 2 years or so has allowed me to see many a game design proposal that's gone unstarted (mine included). It's almost ironic that the only person who HAS successfully created a number of games and such based on OS-tans did so basically on his own, using a very fast and efficient drawing style:
http://www.ani-mini.com/board/index.php
Hate to play devil's advocate, but if you need help with this game -- which is essentially a fork off an existing game project -- then I think you need to offer people a bit more assurance about your commitment to it. They need to know the extent of your programming skills. They need to know you'd be willing to learn how to draw or vectorize at least , so you can help guide the art direction to fit your vision. You also need to be willing to learn how to play music, even if it means buying a cheap MIDI control and practicing a little day by day till you can read and compose the music you want in the game.
Granted, you may not have the time for all that and need to delegate, but even if that's the case, consider at the very least providing a base that artists and music composers can work on. A page on Sourceforge for example. Samples of the code or screenshots of how the other Gun-Bound game operates. Maybe a copy of the license you plan to use for the game (being a *Buntu user, I figure GPL3, no?).
You're catching my drift, no?
So then Mr. Book,....
Before we can begin talking about art style and contributions, I need to know the extent of your own commitment to this project, as well as an understanding of the artwork produced here and how best it fits your project goals.
Yes C-Chan, I understand what you are saying perfectly.
It's totally waste of time if I do not finish this game when ppl help me with music and such. And even for myself I am not sure if this project will be done in certain time because i am pretty busy with college.
Like the Gun bound-like game for Ubuntu, yes, ITEAM doesn't seem developing the project at all. ITEAM Irc channel is gone and i see nothing new from their site.
Look I am not going to push people to make some music or characters right now. I will notify when I am completely done with basic program, however, I will love to have a "Sample character" so i can use it while I am coding this program because I want to c how would they work.
And I am not that skillful and say this program will have license...GPL3...I never thought of it...I do not think this program will be that fancy..Lol...
Because you want summary of this project :) Here it goes.
I hope I could draw a map in UML here but well...
Program will be using Java...Yes, not C++ or C# this program will be coded in Java. And you can easily figure out how slow this will be.
This program will be an online game. People will need to connect to a server to play game with others.
If and only if i finish this game, it will contain following Items:
1. Login Screen(No fancy looking stuff)
2. Wait Room (Where will let you choose a room to join or create your own)
3. You will be able to play only 1:1 or 2:2 for this time.
4. Only Windows OS tans will be added for the moment.
5. There will be only 1 Map.
LOL what do you expect ...
For graphic designers.
If you have lil time plz, make a Me chan Image size of 50 of 50 in PNG. very small huh? I will use this as a sample image for a while.
6 ME-chan images that will show the stat of chatacter as following:
1)NORMAL(LifeBar >= 100) -> 2) MOVING(ya walking around) 3)SHOOT(aiming)
-> 4)SHOOT(while a user pressing spacebar on keyboard)->5)SHOOT(shooting) - 6)DEAD(LifeBar <= 0)
What will me chan shoot with? that's obvious the vegetable she is holding...is that a leek or scallion? hm.....
Here are steps for developing the program.
1)Code Basic System and Codes(Client and Server) -> 2)Add Characters in fancy looking (if possible) -> 3)Add music(if possible) -> 4)Testing for few months before release.
ps. I ain't gonna make this program in Open source thus, no gpl. This ain't no big project....As I said this is for fun...and it's kinda humiliating to show my code hehe....
I appreciate the additional detail and the tentative project roadmap, Mr. Books.
I do however find it unfortunate that you won't be open sourcing your work, and all due to shame no less. Of the 101 [mostly for-profit] reasons to keep code proprietary for a team-oriented project, I don't believe shame qualifies as one of them.
That really is too bad,... and to think you're about to be a postgraduate and potential project leader, yet think so lowly of yourself. -__-
If you really truly believe that, then my recommendation is to keep this a private project for yourself until you build a little more self-confidence. Especially for voluntary work, teamwork has to be inspired, and a good, enthusiastic project leader -- the kind people would fight to work with -- can turn a simple 1-map game into the next MUGEN.
So if all you need is sample artwork, consider Infinity-san's minis:
http://ostan-collections.net/imeeji/index.php?cat=11498
They're standalone PNG files, but my imitations:
http://ostan-collections.net/imeeji/thumbnails.php?album=95
...are open sourced, and you can get the source from the Downloads section (under SVG graphics).
To learn how to use Inkscape for basic stuff, feel free to read my Inkscape Tutorial:
http://ostan-collections.net/annex/InkscapeTutorial.pdf
Inkscape is very user-friendly, doesn't require innate drawing skills, and doesn't need a special tablet to draw. With a little practice, it should provide you a good medium with which to create simple, yet professional-looking graphics.
If you want sample music, download midi files or public-domain MP3 and WAV files, and then reconvert them to the format you need.
And that's all the help I personally can offer you.
Good luck.
What do you think Open source is? LOl
are you a Gnu follower or something?
Why do you think it's a shameful act for making a program closed source?
There is nothing wrong with it.
Coding a program is like doing an art.
I do not want to show my code and people laugh on it...hmhm...
:D And Did you make all you program codes Open source?
Is that really necessary?
Lol...And Thanks for helping me.
You're welcome. -v-
Just word from the wise, kid.....
Don't worry so much about people laughing at your code, cause then they'll just end up laughing at you instead. *snicker snicker* ^___^
*trots off*
That true if you make a bad tan-os game we will lol on till the cows come home so be ready if it fail.
-Dos, Meow
Um... I am willing to draw you some original OS avatars... I havn't posted much on this gallery yet, all of my OS-tan drawings are mostly doodles, but I am pretty good at spriting (animating) also.
Discounting my avatar, I did it with a mouse please don't judge meeeee!! * freaks out *
http://brokenaoshi.deviantart.com/art/Pop-n-Toki-77070700Theres an example of some of my animation... I'm basically a beginner in FLASH, but I'm getting better, but I can animate in most any program.
This is an example of my work http://brokenaoshi.deviantart.com/art/Completly-Suprised-77647291
and this is my first drawing of ME-tan, which I'm not very proud of...
http://brokenaoshi.deviantart.com/art/Millenium-ME-Tan-77466602
If you would like I would love to help you!! ^__^
Delicious butterfly tastes like butter... OM NOM NOM NOM!
._. It was such a pretty color...
QuoteThat true if you make a bad tan-os game we will lol on till the cows come home so be ready if it fail.
-Dos, Meow
I cirtainly hope in the privacy of your own home where no other forum member knows of it. Laughing at someone to riducule them is one of the behaviors on the forum thats not tollerated...
also, to bookgekgom... There are alot of Open Source type people here. Pay them no mind. I personaly wouldnt want to give out my work files for drawings to have them inspected and the errors I cleverly hid found. I belive personal pride is a perfeclty fine reason for keeping your work to yourself.
Plus I think its perfectly fine for someone to make something and NOT want people to be able to tweek it, take it apart, modify it etc...
Anyhow, if you hang around the forum youll notice the open source crowd is the loudest of the bunch. Just pay them no mind if you dont belive in their "everything should be free to everyone" speal.
Some of us are still willing to help on a limited basis reguardless. Just give a bit more direction (cus im still a little shaky on what your trying to make...) maybe id have to know what Gun-bound is.. *off to wiki*
Hello Toki! That's some very cute artwork you have there! ^^
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As for the other issue, if Mr. Mod misses the point, then I better clarify it in plain ENglish.
The whole point to my "speal" is plain and simple trust. If you can't get people to trust you to work as a team, then there just is no team. Open Sourcing is an easy way to establish trust, but even when lacking an open license I could still help the person out IF I have some assurance my would-be partner is committed to be a team player and see the project through. And quite frankly, coming in on your first post saying you have some gaming idea you yanked from somewhere else, but you have no time, unproven coding skills, and no interest in learning how to draw, compose music or make map levels,... just doesn't strike me with the best of confidence. For all I know, I could be cast off on the wayside within a week, left to program the game myself!
The Captain, however, could make a great partner since he's not particularly touchy about the issue of trust. This whole "Team Test" of mine in fact originated with our last failed collaboration, where he had no regret spitting in my face and wasting my time for the sole crime of trying to help him when no one else would.
Personal pride protected indeed,... as long as its his own, everyone else can be damned.
Now Captain,... you won't be the first nor the last person to throw dirt on open source. But like it or not, we do more to tackle piracy at its source than later when some much-relished skull-cracking is mandated. If you throw dirt at it, but simultaneously throw heavenly praise (as you've done) on "prestigious" software that costs more than most people CAN or WANT to pay,... then you're essentially LEADING susceptible people towards piracy.
And given your position,... worse than a mere "conflict of interest", your actions strike me as those of an agent provocateur.
Go look that one up while you're off researching Gun-bound.
humm seems we are having spicy pork today. Or pork alla flambe.
However I shall not sully this good fellows thread with counter banter. As where your attempted attack on me gave me a good LOL and Ive got plenty to say about it I wont. Ive long since given up on trying to make you see any form of reason, or trying to gain any civility or friendship back from you. For you are very.. plz forgive the pun, PIG HEADED.
But back on topic, the project is more likely to succseed if you give a much better description of what EXACTLY you want. like a list of graphics you want, and maybe a little stick doddle of basicly what it is you want a more talented or experienced artist to recreate for you. Unlike porkchops I understand not everyone has the time to learn everything about everything. Simply explain what you want more and then we artists and musicians will try and work with you to translate that into terms we can use.
Let us know what you want, and we can try to make it happen. Unlike some people who would go better on rice, I understand that this is your project and I wont try to change your vision to meet my own views on it.
*shuffles in*
Can't we all just get along?
*shuffles out*
Aww. man I would love to study your code, bookgekgom... (I just now realize how hentai that <- sounds :D)
The only code i know so far is Delphi, QBASIC and PLC-programming with Mitsubishi's software. And I've got some examples of bad n00b coding to go with them (if I can find the hard-copy's I made of them)...
I took a class and was supposed to learn C Basic but I failed haha...
meh I learned Delphi at school, but I was programming a Wordpad-like text editor while one half of the class were still doing simple if-then-else problems and the other half were trying to figure out how the netadmins could see what they were sending each other with the "net send * <message>" command I taught them...of course I didn't tell them that if they used the * wildcard instead of a computer-name or IP adress everyone on the subnet would get the message...:D
lolol xD I made... a calculator! I was one of those really stupid people... who spent th entire class gnawing on the computer...
Well programming isn't as simple as people may make it look... (did that come out right?)
... I can't even do actionscript T-T
whats actionscript? (boi do i feel like a n00b now :D)
The language used in Macromedia Flash xD It's so simple... but I can never make it work.
well, I never was any good in HTML or Flash, even tough I know it's supposed to be simple.....Meh I always was more of a hardware-guy, anyway :D
I'm more of a... pretty colors and bright lights sort of person
Well, me too. But mostly when I'm *looks for Cappie and his b& hammer, cuz he scares me with that thing*....stoned... I can look at WinAmp's Milkdrop for hours while listening to Psy- and Goa-trance, then... ;010
I don't need to be stoned to do that :F But I usually listen to gabba.
andcuddlecorewhenicanfindit T-T
Mweuh... I think that Hardcore and it's variety's are becoming too focussed around the bass-loop and they don't focus enough on other instruments....
Cuddlecore is the best!! There isn't enough of it.
I know what you mean though. I still like DJ Sharpnel grrnya. >.< Have you heard any of Teranoid? Her stuff is really beautiful, as well as having some fantastic beats.
I'll see what I can find (after I do some errands), It's always nice to expand my musical knowledge and discover new artists/genre's...
I used to not know anything about genre and stuff. I still don't know that much and I get confused often, but ever since I started playing IIDX, I've gotten a little more organized with my music-ish knowledge.
Well, that was never a problem for me... Untill trance completely desintegrated into dozens of sub-genres....
I still don't pay attention to it... there are just too many types of music I like. I can at least tell people I like gabba though :3 and Ska
yup...what's in a name? :D
Identification :F I'm lucky, no one else has my name.
Same here... I hate it when I have to use variations on my nick because someone else took it... (my best one is teh Smokey man - DC++)
xD Huahuahua. Well, recently people have been like "Toki? Liek metalocolypse?" And I'm like NO! * bonk! * >.< I've been Toki for a long time... lots of people don't even know my real name... o.o
Well, to be honest...The first thing that popped in my head was: toking (wich matches smokey, nicely :D)
Yeah I've gotten that a few times too xD Toki actually means "Time and opportunity"
In what language? now i'm interested...
Added after 52 seconds:
BTW have you noticed how we completely pwned the last page... :D
Indeed you have.. in what was originaly ontopic discussion of coding lanquage...
But quickly spiraled out of control.. hopfully its smoking crash will land in the topicless thread sometime soon..
Quote*looks for Cappie and HER b& hammer, cuz he scares me with that thing*....stoned...
FOUND YOU.
Oh holy crap!!!!! *makes mental note* Captain = woman... *thinks of Iustitia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iustitia) and her B& hammer (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/c/c7/UKJUSTICE.jpg)*
Oh mai... well we sort of... no... I'm sorry ;-; My fault * gonk *
Hello,
bookgekgom, if I may offer a suggestion, have you considered coding as much of the game as you need and making placeholder graphics until the coding side is fairly finished? I think if I were coding a game and wanted help from people with graphics, I might do as much as I felt I needed to do on the non-artistic side first so I wouldn't feel bad if responsibilities made me stop progress, as people wouldn't be depending on me. You could also use placeholder graphics to speed progress by making sure the images were doing whatever they were supposed to be doing, without needing to wait for an artist to perfect something.