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Title: switching to Apple?
Post by: Nidas on February 15, 2007, 04:55:52 PM
yeah so my comp is on the brink so I'll have to buy a new one at some point -_- After reading around about Vista, I'm less than impressed so I'm thinking of giving Apple a whirl. I seem to remember there being some Apple users here, so I'm hoping you can help me out a bit XD

I used to use Apple back in the iMac days before I got my laptop so unless its changed a lot since then I shouldn't have any problem with the OS. My biggest worry is losing some of the software that I've come to rely on.

First off is DoubleKiller (http://www.bigbangenterprises.de/en/doublekiller/), a duplicate file search utility that finds duplicate files through crc32. Cos I rip pics so much from imageboards I use this a hell of a lot. Anyone know of a replacement on Apple?

Second is Winamp (http://www.winamp.com/); any way to run it in Apple? >_>

Third, any recommendations on which comp to get? What I'm looking for is:
1. a laptop
2. wireless (which I'm guessing most of them support these days)
3. specs dont need to be high, I only play old games anyway
4. lightweight
5. as large HD as possible while still being lightweight would be nice
6. decent battery

any help will be greatly appreciated :D
Title: switching to Apple?
Post by: CaptBrenden on February 15, 2007, 06:16:30 PM
NOOOOO DONT DO IT! ITS NOT WORTH IT!!
Title: switching to Apple?
Post by: Tsubashi on February 15, 2007, 07:26:42 PM
Quoteso I'm thinking of giving Apple a whirl.

Wonderful! Great choice, I really recommend it!

QuoteI used to use Apple back in the iMac days before I got my laptop so unless its changed a lot since then I shouldn't have any problem with the OS.

Yay! Even former Mac users are awesome! Assuming that your talking about the iFruit (colorful CRT's) or later, you were probably running an earlier version of OS X. If that is the case, you'll find the interface almost identical, with the addition of many new features!

QuoteFirst off is DoubleKiller, a duplicate file search utility that finds duplicate files through crc32. Cos I rip pics so much from imageboards I use this a hell of a lot. Anyone know of a replacement on Apple?

Probably the closest would be TidyUp. It's on Apple's Website and works pretty well, but it does cost $. See  here (http://www.apple.com/downloads/macosx/system_disk_utilities/tidyup.html) for more details.

QuoteSecond is Winamp; any way to run it in Apple? >_>

I've heard it runs beautifully on CrossOver Mac, but I use iTunes primarily, so I've never used it, sorry

http://www.macupdate.com/info.php/id/22636

QuoteThird, any recommendations on which comp to get? What I'm looking for is:

If you're going with current hardware, either one will fit your specifications. I'd probably order a MacBook online at the apple store, so you can get a bigger HD.

Just my thoughts, it up to you!

Thank you for giving Macs a chance!
Title: switching to Apple?
Post by: NewYinzer on February 15, 2007, 07:43:13 PM
Don't buy Apple if you value your cash. You can get a Windows machine that does more for less money. With the money you saved, you could buy some anime DVD's. That's my $0.02
Title: switching to Apple?
Post by: Tsubashi on February 15, 2007, 07:47:29 PM
It's True that when buying a Mac, you do pay a premium. The decision is, "is it worth it?"

Quote from: "NewYinzer"You can get a Windows machine that does more for less money.

Actually, that's quite debatable.

a) More applications are being developed for OS X, plus there are plenty of already powerful apps, some only for Macs

b) All intel based Macs CAN run windows, if you choose, so any functionality you might lose from the OS can be easily gained back, supposing you choose not to use OS X.
Title: switching to Apple?
Post by: NewYinzer on February 15, 2007, 08:21:26 PM
In reality, those statements are debatable as well. Software companies usually write for Windows primarily, and Mac secondarily. Why? Windows has 95% of the market. No one makes a lot of money selling to the other 5%. Also, Apple Inc. seems a little bit preoccupied with the iPhone (not a revolutionary concept) and the iPod (so many more models are better). As it says in America: The Book, the iPod helped Apple survive for a few more years before being crushed by Microsoft. Like China's current "unstoppable" economy now and the Soviet Union, it's doomed to failure, it'll just take a few years. And that's my rant.
Title: switching to Apple?
Post by: Tsubashi on February 15, 2007, 08:48:37 PM
Quote from: "NewYinzer"In reality, those statements are debatable as well.

Well, the implications made by those statements are highly debatable, and are being, no doubt, disputed heatedly all over the place. The statements themselves, however, are simple truths.

Quote from: "I"plus there are plenty of already powerful apps

Okay, I suppose that's my opinion, so that is debatable, but the rest hold true.

Quote from: "NewYinzer"Software companies usually write for Windows primarily, and Mac secondarily. Why? Windows has 95% of the market.

Sad, but true. Maybe one day the computer industry may be able to break free of the stranglehold Microsoft has on it and allow greater diversification. Apple isn't the only great thing out there!

Quote from: "NewYinzer"Also, Apple Inc. seems a little bit preoccupied with the iPhone (not a revolutionary concept) and the iPod (so many more models are better). As it says in America: The Book, the iPod helped Apple survive for a few more years before being crushed by Microsoft. Like China's current "unstoppable" economy now and the Soviet Union, it's doomed to failure, it'll just take a few years.

Opinions, opinions. Everyone has their own, don't they?
Personally, I think the iPhone will be brilliant, just a little overpriced. The "Cingular Only" things a bit annoying too.

Yes, the iPod did save Apple, but that was no easy task! Besides, just like the original Macintosh, the iPod set a standard that all other manufacturers now emulate.

It's what Apple does now that will determine if it will retreat again into further obscurity or possible begin to take a larger Market share.
Or Microsoft could just decide to brick it's loyal customers like it looks like with Vista (Just my opinion, don't kill me! ^^; )

If the iPhone flops, and Leopard turns out to be over-hyped and poorly designed, it's true that Apple may be crushed by M$, but Apple's pulled through some tuff times before, and I think they can make it this time too! ^-^

Okay, so there's my rant. Sorry if I offended anyone. And yes, everything after the fourth quote is pretty much my own opinion, and thus highly debatable and possibly inaccurate. ^-^
Title: switching to Apple?
Post by: C-Chan on February 15, 2007, 10:19:43 PM
NewYinzer, I'd really be careful with making that kind of analogy, since Microsoft's tactics of market subterfuge and price undercutting and FAR more in line with China and the former Soviet Union than Apple is.  Apple always struck me as being more like Europe -- expensive and overly-fashionable, but of very high quality, with a stable and loyal customer base. They may not return to their former glory (or in the European example, "imperial" glory), but they certainly won't get any worse off.

So by implication, maybe Microsoft is destined to suffer a most disappointing and unexpected failure, especially if they continue to embrace Big Business interests (via their unnerving loyalty to DRM) and Big Brother (via Vista's hidden security features).  That might explain why they've thrown so much money into XBox and Zune -- as leverage in case someone calls their cheap shots.  Piss off your customers long enough, and they will eventually leave.  Seems to be affecting Sony right about now.  `v'

In any case, Nidas, back to you....

I don't have a Mac myself, but I will be buying one because I vote with my money.  I want market diversity, I want better business practices to be rewarded and I want my privacy to be respected.  Even if it may not run some of the programs I use now, there are always equivalents -- and besides, the greater the market share we attract, the likelier it is that software/hardware manufacturers will follow the money.  Winamp can be used now via Tsubashi's suggestion, but there's already a a dedicated Mac Winamp in the works thanks to the increased user base (not to mention that Macamp has been around since about the same time as Winamp, and works about the same).  You're also offered the choice of keeping XP as a dual-boot option on a Mactel, something PC makers have promised they could do in reverse but haven't delivered yet.

It all comes down to you, though, since it's your money and your right to do whatever you feel like with it.
But do bear in mind that basing your decisions by what sells the cheapest may, on a macroeconomic level, come back to haunt you or your community.  As the saying goes, "Cheaper things end up being the most expensive", and I have an IT specialist at work clocking in ungodly amounts of overtime to fix stupid things to prove it.  -v-

Besides, if you really do care for your money, you might as well get Linux.  ^__^
It's price undercuts M$ by a helluva lot (= "free"), and it functions just as quickly and efficiently as Windows for only a fraction of the required hardware.  And it'll turn you into a computer wizard that can emulate anything, hack websites with impunity, pimp your home's electronic systems, and build beowulf clusters to monitor your own homebrewed SDI array.  -v-

Hehe,... just kidding on the last part,... or am I?  ^v^;

The hardware recommendations I can't help too much, since I've only followed desktops.  Know very little about the laptops since I prefer to use Palm pilots -- but maybe Aurora can help you there.  -v-
Title: switching to Apple?
Post by: CaptBrenden on February 16, 2007, 12:07:17 AM
oh here he goes with the giant.. "if we all use macs things will get better" speal.  Fact is most everything is for the PC. Your getting a computer now. As for choosing mac because you dont like vista... then dont get vista (tho i think choosing against it without using it is equaly foolhardy)   just as many people still use 2k, you dont need to stop using XP just cus Vista was just released.  Shes still got many years of good use to get out of her (hell i know people still using 98 on some things)  

Personaly, I think your better off with a PC. you know how to use it, you know what programs you like to use with it. and unless your getting it mostly for media, Id definitly go with the PC.  More games, more support, more over all.  the much pointed out "macs use windows software" feature they love to point out is proof that they cant support their users by themselves for long.  there is just too much for the PC youd be giving up.
Title: switching to Apple?
Post by: Xyanide on February 16, 2007, 04:25:23 AM
The macbooks really arn't that much out of proportion when it comes to the price-power relation compared to those of other laptop brands.
The G5s are "OK" powerful, a little overpriced but not that bad. And the Pentium core-duo models are pretty great.

Then again...it's goddamn mac! the OS is a bit strange to get used to when you're used to windows, and the mouse acceleration sucks, and the mouse too but you can replace it with any mouse. I just don't like the GUI, there's a stupid little popup bar always taking up space of your screen unless you animate it to drop below but then when you're working on something in fullscreen the damn thing pops up when you move the mouse to the bottom of the screen to GRAB the scrollbar, who still actually does that these days?! I don't but mac forces me to T_T GAH frustrations frustrations

a few last things: you can't just buy any 3rd party component, no no, mac only, very expensive components not always worth their money, but hey you'd buy it right?

there are HARDLY any games that are well compatible with mac, there are some games that by now brought out universal binairy but don't expect to run anything like FEAR on MacOSX, well maybe they'll release a uni bin version of that free multiplayer version of it...but i doubt it.
Title: switching to Apple?
Post by: Nidas on February 16, 2007, 05:53:08 AM
wow didn't expect this many replies so quick :D

Quote from: "Tsubashi"Probably the closest would be TidyUp. It's on Apple's Website and works pretty well, but it does cost $. See  here (http://www.apple.com/downloads/macosx/system_disk_utilities/tidyup.html) for more details.

looks good enough thanks ;010 though if anyone knows a freeware alt leeme know ;P

Quote from: "Tsubashi"If you're going with current hardware, either one will fit your specifications. I'd probably order a MacBook online at the apple store, so you can get a bigger HD.

Just my thoughts, it up to you!

Thank you for giving Macs a chance!

thanks I'll take a look at that one.

Quote from: "C-Chan"Besides, if you really do care for your money, you might as well get Linux. ^__^
It's price undercuts M$ by a helluva lot (= "free"), and it functions just as quickly and efficiently as Windows for only a fraction of the required hardware. And it'll turn you into a computer wizard that can emulate anything, hack websites with impunity, pimp your home's electronic systems, and build beowulf clusters to monitor your own homebrewed SDI array. -v-

I did think about doing this once - Ubuntu (sp?) was the one I was going to do - but was put off by the complexity of setting everything up =/ I don't really have the time right now to make the switch to Linux. Maybe in a few years time once I'm clear of uni but not right now.

Reading through some of the other comments, I don't need a mac to be able to play loads of new games or anything, I mostly just use my comp for internet (lolifox), anime watching (VLC) and basic image editing (currently PSP, probably end up switching to Gimp or something). I've checked and Mac can use most of the software which I want to continue using and seems to be able to emulate the rest competently enough >_>

One more question I forgot though; anyone know a good FTP client for Apple?
Title: switching to Apple?
Post by: Xyanide on February 16, 2007, 07:44:28 AM
well if you're just going to use it for internet and video..why even get a new new computer?! An ol' 1Ghz PC would do the trick for just that.
Title: switching to Apple?
Post by: Nidas on February 16, 2007, 07:59:12 AM
Quote from: "Xyanide"well if you're just going to use it for internet and video..why even get a new new computer?! An ol' 1Ghz PC would do the trick for just that.

cos I want it to be lightweight >_> Older the computer, the heavier it gets in general. hell, my parents' laptop isn't that old and its still too heavy to be truly portable given how much I walk around. Anyway even though I don't need it to be able to play new games or anything, I still want it to be able to compress well, load programs quickly, etc. and of course, I'm sick of MS xD
Title: switching to Apple?
Post by: Tsubashi on February 16, 2007, 08:38:21 AM
QuoteOne more question I forgot though; anyone know a good FTP client for Apple?

Well, there is the "Connect to Server" Function in the Finder, but there are plenty of other ways. I've used CyberDuck because it's free. Here (http://cyberduck.ch/) is it's homepage.
Title: switching to Apple?
Post by: Xyanide on February 16, 2007, 09:11:17 AM
yeah just apple+K key and you can connect to pretty much anything

and you're not sick of MS! you're just sick of pentium :P
but i see your point of wanting a light-weight laptop, there's also a sony model that's lightweight i think
Title: switching to Apple?
Post by: C-Chan on February 16, 2007, 09:19:52 AM
Awesome.  ^__^
Actually, normally I would still encourage you to try Ubuntu anyway, since it's designed to be very merciful to new users.  Unlike SUSE Linux, Xubuntu essentially installed everything for me, and had all my hardware working fine right off the bat (where's with SUSE, I had to wrestle to get my sound card and Plug-in-Play to work properly.  Not to mention that VLC (FTW!!!) works best on Linux.... ^__~

But this is a laptop after all, and though Ubuntu is free you still need to go through the extra expense of finding a modern, small, lightweight laptop (cause even used clunky laptops are expensive).  In that case, you might as well stick with Macs just because the hardware is generally of better quality and is quite elegant.

(And you can still install Ubuntu on it anyway -- given the option of having Linux, Mac and [possibly] Windows tri-bootable, that'd make you invincible....! ^v^)
Title: switching to Apple?
Post by: Xyanide on February 16, 2007, 09:45:45 AM
Yeah that's true, it's not always just the design like people say, the internal hardware is very decent judging from the work I did on them

and yeah for avarage household computer use Ubuntu is a nice choice, you can do all your things on it without too much of a hassle, for windows emulation there's always Wine for basic programs like winamp or a torrent client
Title: switching to Apple?
Post by: Kami-Tux on February 16, 2007, 02:00:47 PM
xmms/audacious is very similar to WinAmp and for torrents there are countless native ones. But yeah, Ubuntu-tan surely is a good friend for anything you want to do at your PC.
Title: switching to Apple?
Post by: NejinOniwa on February 16, 2007, 05:15:38 PM
I agree. My cousin runs Ubuntu on his comp, and even though he does have a larger XP partition he hardly uses it at all as Ubuntu simply is ways better. I've been thinking of doing the same, and i probably will create a partition for Ubuntu when i get myself a new, bigass hard drive to store stuff on. I can't survive with just 160 gigs, that's just way off my personal system requirement ;003

And for the FTP client there's lots of stuff you can use, but I'm not very into that since i mainly use my sweet DC-tan for almost everything. It can get you almost anything, it gives off kickass speed provided you're on a good line, and there's clients for every platform i know of.
Title: switching to Apple?
Post by: Nidas on February 16, 2007, 05:38:00 PM
Quote from: "NejinOniwa"I agree. My cousin runs Ubuntu on his comp, and even though he does have a larger XP partition he hardly uses it at all as Ubuntu simply is ways better. I've been thinking of doing the same, and i probably will create a partition for Ubuntu when i get myself a new, bigass hard drive to store stuff on. I can't survive with just 160 gigs, that's just way off my personal system requirement ;003

see, thats part of the problem; the HD on a laptop suddenly looks a whole lot smaller when its partitioned between two OSs and I don't really want to make a straight jump to Linux :p Like I said earlier, Linux is very much a longer term idea at the moment.

Other thing I forgot to ask about Apple was torrent clients; had a look around, read this (http://torrentfreak.com/mac-bt-clients/) which recommends Transmission. Anyone got anything to add on torrent clients? I currently use uTorrent on Windows btw
Title: switching to Apple?
Post by: NejinOniwa on February 16, 2007, 05:41:16 PM
Don't the newer laptops include quite bigass harddrives though?
Title: switching to Apple?
Post by: C-Chan on February 16, 2007, 06:18:34 PM
Quite big.  ^__^
Makes me feel kinda small, since I actually have my Xubuntu Linux running in an old machine with an 8GB hard drive.  You'd think that've been the death of it, but Xubuntu really knows how to stretch old hardware.  ^v^

Everyone else who doesn't use uTorrent likes the cross-platform Azureus.  But because it runs on Java, I'm not terribly fond of it (prefer something nice and simple like BitTornado).

Did I forget to mention, btw, that you can also run Linux without having to partition your hard drive?  Many come as Live CDs (such as Xubuntu and Knoppix), while others are small enough to allow the whole OS to operate from a USB flash drive.  (e.g, Damn Small Linux, Puppy Linux).

Just something to keep in mind in case you ever get tired of loving your Mac laptop too much.... ^___^
Title: switching to Apple?
Post by: Xyanide on February 16, 2007, 06:29:10 PM
gah don't use bittornado it doesn't work that well
i've been using Ã,µtorrent lately and damn it's great, a lot less CPU and RAM hogging than azureus, not that my system can't handle it while i'm running msn, winamp, firefox and the like all at the same time but i don't mind my torrents downloading while i'm playing a recourse demanding game ;)

I can really recommend it, at this moment it is only using 7MB of my RAM

and that's practically nothing compared to clients like bitcoment or azureus, hell it's even practically nothing compared to multi-tabbed firefox! at the moment i've got 5 tabs open, firefox uses 70MB lol
Title: switching to Apple?
Post by: NejinOniwa on February 16, 2007, 07:06:06 PM
Hah, true true...my firefox is currently hogging around 180 megs o' ram. Wicked sick. All these image tabs...
Title: switching to Apple?
Post by: C-Chan on February 16, 2007, 07:46:53 PM
Quotegah don't use bittornado it doesn't work that well
Hell no I wouldn't tell him to use BitTornado, I just said I used it myself due to the limitations of the 7 year-old machine I rescued.  -v-

BitTornado is also easy on the RAM and is the only torrent client on that poor old machine that gives me reliable leeching/seeding and blazing 3-digit speeds.  The problem is that it's way too ugly to put on Mac OSX, and I fear it'd only crack the screen of Nidas' future Mac laptop.  ^^'

Like everything in this world, there are always ways to run programs that weren't designed for your particular system.  There's definitely a few ways to get uTorrent to run on Mac OSX, as described here:

http://torrentfreak.com/how-to-run-utorrent-in-osx/

Fortunately, until a Mac (or for that matter a Linux) version of uTorrent becomes available (or an open source alternative that's exactly like it), there's still other options to explore in addition to Transmission:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_BitTorrent_software
Title: switching to Apple?
Post by: Nidas on April 07, 2007, 10:52:08 AM
*cough* BUMP *cough*

so yeah... I am now on Apple :p Pretty good so far, but anyone got a recommendation for a compatible music player? I'm really not a fan of iTunes and can't really be bothered to go through the hassle of setting up Winamp right now =/ oh and any other general software you think I should pick up would be great too :p

Using Transmission for torrent btw, seems pretty good, not as good as uTorrent, but it'll do
Title: switching to Apple?
Post by: Tsubashi on April 07, 2007, 11:10:54 AM
Congratulations! I'm glad you decided  on the Mac!

Hmm, music players...
Like I've said before, I typically use iTunes, but Cog (http://cogosx.sourceforge.net/) isn't bad. There's also RealPlayer (http://forms.real.com/real/player/blackjack.html?platform2=Mac%20OS%20X&product=RealPlayer%2010&proc=g3&lang=&show_list=0&src=macjack), though personally I don't like it.

As for other software, if you're into IMing and such, I definitely recommend GAIM (http://gaim.sourceforge.net/). Very compatible, stable and usable.
There's also some nifty Freeware here (http://freshsqueeze.com/products/freeware/)

Hope that helps!
Title: switching to Apple?
Post by: C-Chan on April 07, 2007, 10:03:46 PM
Woohoo!!!!!!!  Nidas took the plunge after all!  ^v^

I myself am now 90% on Linux (Kubuntu), with the remaining 10% divided between XPMCE and eComStation.  ^___^

Too bad Amarok won't play on OSX (or at least not natively), cause it's a magnficent audio player.  ^v^
Would probably still recommend Cog myself, since it's open source.  ^.^
(And VLC player for everything else,... there's nothing that thing can't play.... ^v^)

I thought nothing could beat uTorrent until I tried out the more recent versions of kTorrent (which btw, was around way BEFORE uTorrent).  Suffice to say, I now have confidence in the future of open source torrent downloaders.  ^____^

(Azureus would probably be great too if only they got rid of that damn Java.... X__X)
Title: switching to Apple?
Post by: Bella on April 12, 2007, 01:57:03 AM
Congrats on the new Apple ;010 I like Macs, I may get one someday.
Title: switching to Apple?
Post by: C-Chan on April 12, 2007, 02:46:07 AM
Sooner if it's a Tablet Mac, of course.  ^__^
Myself included.... ^.^
Title: switching to Apple?
Post by: Nidas on April 17, 2007, 03:45:17 PM
Quote from: "Tsubashi"
Quote from: "Nidas"First off is DoubleKiller, a duplicate file search utility that finds duplicate files through crc32. Cos I rip pics so much from imageboards I use this a hell of a lot. Anyone know of a replacement on Apple?

Probably the closest would be TidyUp. It's on Apple's Website and works pretty well, but it does cost $. See  here (http://www.apple.com/downloads/macosx/system_disk_utilities/tidyup.html) for more details.

well after playing around with TidyUp for a while... I have no idea how to get it to what I want. It seems to be geared more towards finding duplicate music tracks and applications than it does duplicate pictures. However, with my fearsome Google-jutsu, I found dupeGuru (http://www.macupdate.com/info.php/id/22724/dupeguru-picture-edition), which does a pretty good job of replacing DoubleKiller. Its a hell of a lot slower but it also has a nicer interface and basically does the same thing, so its all cool :D (edit: it also seems lighter, DoubleKiller had a nasty habit of taking available resources on startup, to make the process as fast as possible I guess, leaving the system vulnerable to slowdown if usage spiked elsewhere, Fox for instance. dupeGuru doesn't seem to do the same ;010)

Still haven't found a music player that I particularly like but iTunes is fine I guess. I seem to remember reading somewhere that a mac port of Winamp is in the works anyway, so I can wait :p
Title: switching to Apple?
Post by: Nidas on May 19, 2007, 09:33:41 AM
*cough* BUMP *cough*

Currently looking for an image editor. It doesn't have to be particularly advanced, just crop, sharpen and touch-up was all I used on Paint Shop Pro really. I tried Photoshop but don't really need all the functionality. Also tried GIMP but I'm not really a fan for some reason. So any ideas?
Title: switching to Apple?
Post by: Tsubashi on May 19, 2007, 01:30:17 PM
Tried Seashore (http://seashore.sourceforge.net/) yet?

Added after 1 minutes:

Or Pixen (http://opensword.org/Pixen)?
Title: switching to Apple?
Post by: C-Chan on May 20, 2007, 04:57:04 PM
GIMPShop (http://www.macupdate.com/info.php/id/17629) for Mac OSX.

Presumably it irons out a lot of what you might have found unruly with The GIMP.

I so want to recommend Krita, but that's not cross-platform yet.  : <
Title: switching to Apple?
Post by: Nidas on September 16, 2007, 12:42:21 PM
Well my mac has died =/ Seems to be a HD related problem. I’ll be taking it down to the local Apple tech goons to see what can be done when the weather here clears up a bit. After my murderous rage had burnt itself out to mere seething rage, I turned my mind to the problems at hand.

First off, theres a lot of stuff on there that I'd rather not lose. yeah yeah I know, I should back stuff up more regularly, but that would have meant buying ANOTHER external HD, which I was loath to do cos I need that money for food (lol student budget) :p http://prosofteng.com/products/data_rescue.php looks like a possibility since I doubt my warranty will extend to file recovery. Anyone had any success with recovery software like this?

But files can be replaced, one way or another. My more pressing concern is do I stay with Apple? I know this is probably just bad luck on my part, so I'm tempted to just replace the mac with another mac. I DO like the feel of the OS after all. The upside of this is that I get a free repair/replacement/refund thanks to it dying in record time, comfortably within my warranty. On the other hand, for all Window’s other myriad failings, I never had this level of problems with non-Mac comps. I still think Vista is a no-go, leaving Linux as the only other real option. Well I guess I COULD go back to XP but I would still need a new comp because my XP-based laptop, which I’m using right now, lacks a decent HD. blarg
Title: switching to Apple?
Post by: Tsubashi on September 16, 2007, 01:43:07 PM
Well, do you know what specifically went wrong with the HD? If it is physical damage to the disk, you'd need to be a specialist to retrieve the data. If it's the logic board, well, just pop it open and transplant the drive, assuming you have another computer that can read HFS+. If it's just your boot areas that are corrupted, try booting into single-user mode (⌘-s at startup). Of course familiarity with CLI would be advised.
If you can, try Target Disk Mode to retrieve files. Who knows, might work. ^-^

As for staying with Apple, the answer is yes. As you said, it's within warranty, so it doesn't cost you anything, and from my experience HD failures aren't very common (except in the earlier Mac minis ^^')

Hope that helps!

----Edit----

Oh! I just remembered. You might try TestDisk (http://www.cgsecurity.org/wiki/TestDisk). It's a nice open source utility for data recovery and fixing partition tables. Might help ^__^
Title: switching to Apple?
Post by: C-Chan on September 17, 2007, 12:05:22 PM
GYAAAH!!!  WHY OH WHY DID THIS HAPPEN?!!!  ^0^

But that is record time, so I would definitely log that in as just really bad luck.  Hard drives are sadly unpredictable little things,... I've had some last me 10 years and counting, others last me no more than a year.  One of the reasons I'm trying to help usher in the golden age of flash-based mass storage.  ^___^

I would definitely follow Tsubashi-dono's advice, given he manages half-a-million Macs plus other computer systems.  Plus you did PAY for help so you might as well make use of it.  I'm going to accompany a friend of mine to the Mac Store tomorrow to meet one of the Genius Bar gurus who can help us with Garageband -- I'll determine who competent he is, although from what I've seen on my own they seem fairly competent.  If you think about it, it's really easy to get help for Macs compared to PCs, if anything due to the smaller hardware diversity.  Your Mac is exactly the same as all the half-billion other Macs in the market, so it's easier for them to know what's wrong with it.  

However, your hypothetical PC has hard drive XYZ, connected to motherboard GHI, and shares the try with DVD/CD combo and writers drives ABC, utilizing graphics card TUV, connected to the internet via wireleass card DEF, and powered by powerbox LMN.... And the PC right next to has completely different components, that create a completely new set of compatibility, accessibility and heating issues.

On the other hand, your best defense is always diversity, and if you do consider trying Linux as well, I'll ofter 24/7 (more like 14/3.5... fufufu... ^.^) support if you do.  ^__^
With expertise in both Mac and Linux, you will be invincible (although I think I've said this before), and will no longer have to fear data loss ever again because you'll get used to a baker's dozen ways to take care of your data.  ^___^

If this were a PC, for example, I would recommend booting up a Linux diagnostic LiveCD (such as Knoppix or Helix) and see if it can read and/or extract data from your HD.  If so, then that would at least discount HD hardware failure as a possible problem.  Macs can run LiveCDs as well, but since I've never tried this before I won't personally recommend this.  ^^

As for your laptop, what are its specs?
Even if it's old, there are plenty of Linux distros that can give it some pretty respectable mileage.  For example, if you love the look and feel of MacOSX, you might want to give DreamLinux a try:

(http://www.linuxlefty.com/projects/mirrors/dreamlinux/noshow_img/logo.png)
http://www.dreamlinux.com.br/english/index.html

It's SO Mac-like, it's almost plagiaristic.  ^.^'
Plus it's FAST and works beautifully on really old hardware (tested it on an old PII 600Mhz celeron with 192MB of RAM and an 8GB hard drive, and runs like a charm!).

It's only drawback is that it uses the Debian Stable repository which isn't exactly cutting-edge software, but at least it's (as the name says) "stable".  ^____^
Title: switching to Apple?
Post by: Bella on September 19, 2007, 10:23:16 PM
^ Golly...I've seen tons of Windows dopplegangers, now a Mac...?

Sorry about the computer : \ I guess hardware failure can happen to just about any machine...maybe not a good time to mention I'm sitting next to an Apple right now...?
Title: switching to Apple?
Post by: C-Chan on September 19, 2007, 11:31:21 PM
*C-chan beams with happiness*  *v*

Would.... that.... be..... YOUR.... Mac....?  'v'

Or your Aunt's?  Or one of the millions of Macs you say inhabit the region?  ^^

I myself will get to go to the Mac Store tomorrow with my friend to check out said Genius Bar.  If it'll be anything like my last discussion with a store "Mac Guru", it'll be very fun for me and educational for them.  ^.^

*hums a random Linux tune*
Title: switching to Apple?
Post by: Bella on September 20, 2007, 09:28:55 AM
QuoteOr your Aunt's?

Affirmative ;) Cute little iBook, too...with a one-button Hocky Puck mouse! My Lord, I thought those only existed in legend ^_^

Wouldn't be one of our countless native Macs, cause currently I'm several hundred miles from my "homeland"....
Title: switching to Apple?
Post by: NejinOniwa on September 20, 2007, 11:55:37 AM
Just where are you?
And also, the "Puck" variant mouses are the MOST DISTURBING THING EVER INVENTED. They're totally unusable!!!
*mac bash*
Title: switching to Apple?
Post by: Tsubashi on September 20, 2007, 07:54:20 PM
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I think they're cute ^-^

Quotemaybe not a good time to mention I'm sitting next to an Apple right now...?

The only reason it would be bad is if you were so close and still not using it! ^.^
Title: switching to Apple?
Post by: CaptBrenden on September 20, 2007, 08:03:30 PM
oh come on! you have to admit they are the most useless mice ever, even as a mac user T_T
Title: switching to Apple?
Post by: Tsubashi on September 20, 2007, 08:08:21 PM
True, they are different from most mice, but hardly useless.

This is a useless mouse ^-^
(http://i.techrepublic.com.com/gallery/32294-500-294.jpg)
Title: switching to Apple?
Post by: NejinOniwa on September 20, 2007, 08:29:15 PM
Ugh, that's not a mouse, it's a white plastic blob with too many buttons and a very ugly cord. Please take it away.
Title: switching to Apple?
Post by: CaptBrenden on September 20, 2007, 08:30:21 PM
thats no mouse, ITS A SPACE STATION!

wait.. wut?
Title: switching to Apple?
Post by: NejinOniwa on September 20, 2007, 08:34:19 PM
YOURE DOIN IT WREOUNG


also, off topic? ^-^;
Title: switching to Apple?
Post by: Bella on September 20, 2007, 08:58:59 PM
QuoteThe only reason it would be bad is if you were so close and still not using it! ^.^

No, still on K8...don't even know where that rascally Mac went XD

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I think they're cute ^-^

I agree...in a not-so-ergonomically friendly kinda way ;)

I thought they did away with it awhile back...don't even think the library's Mac had a one-button mouse O__o
Title: switching to Apple?
Post by: C-Chan on September 21, 2007, 01:08:25 PM
Admittedly, thanks to Linux, I can't live without 3 buttons now (far more essential in Linux than in Windows... ^^').

For my friend's two Macs, one has a very elegant single-click mouse, the other a standard-issue 3-button mouse with large scroll wheel.  I've gotten used to Apple+C or Apple+V keyboard commands, so I can do either or,... but regardless, I'm sure it'll take you a while to guess which of the two machines I prefer.... ^____^
Title: switching to Apple?
Post by: CaptBrenden on September 21, 2007, 01:28:58 PM
so like,  Ive been eating bananas for some time, but im thinking of switching to apples.  any saggestions?
Title: switching to Apple?
Post by: C-Chan on September 21, 2007, 01:35:28 PM
Well, if you want "sags", just drop fruit altogether and keep eating meat till your old, grey and "saggy" all over!  ^v^

*drum rolls*

*laughs at own bad joke*  ^V^

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You can try getting apples at local mom-pop groceries or mid-range supermarkets.  Avoid super megamarts and bulk centers (like BJs, Costco, Sams) like the plague, since their prices for grocery items are rarely as good as they may seem.

Divert 15% more funds that you normally allocate to banana purchases in order to acquire the same net weight in apples.

Oh, and whatever you do, don't buy your apples in Canada, as your currency is now (as of yesterday) officially worth LESS than the Canadian Dollar, hence you'll be paying up to the wazoo for them there.  -v-;
Title: switching to Apple?
Post by: NejinOniwa on September 21, 2007, 02:19:36 PM
QuoteOh, and whatever you do, don't buy your apples in Canada, as your currency is now (as of yesterday) officially worth LESS than the Canadian Dollar, hence you'll be paying up to the wazoo for them there. -v-;
YAI! BANZAI FOR DA NORTHERN LANDZ!!! *pulls up pom-poms*
Title: switching to Apple?
Post by: CaptBrenden on September 21, 2007, 03:37:35 PM
QuoteWell, if you want "sags", just drop fruit altogether and keep eating meat till your old, grey and "saggy" all over! ^v^  

Ah, okay, very well *grabs c-chan and wanders towards the kitchen*  just remember, it was your idea
Title: switching to Apple?
Post by: Bella on September 21, 2007, 10:06:23 PM
Heehee...my Aunt's iBook has made a reappearance...

MY GOD! No ports on the back!

O___O

QuoteJust where are you?

You know I'm a woman of mystery!

I'm in a place that rhymes with "Wish a fin"

XD
Title: switching to Apple?
Post by: Nidas on September 23, 2007, 08:21:35 AM
Well my mac is back :P

Quote from: "Tsubashi"Well, do you know what specifically went wrong with the HD?

The tech goon says it was, and I quote, "catastrophic disk failure" -__- Not really what I wanted to hear, but was pretty much what I was expecting. They've simply swapped the old HD out and put a new one in. As expected, file recovery isn't covered by warranty, but they've given me my old HD back and recommended me a recovery specialist to take it to if I want to do that.

But after some musing, I've more or less decided against it. I haven't lost anything that can't be replaced sooner or later, it's more of an inconvenience than anything else since everything on my laptop (which is everything pre-Mac without my pic archive) and my external HD (which is most of my anime, films, manga, etc) are still here. Stuff that has been lost includes the vast bulk of my pic archive (DO NOT WANT) some uni junk, more anime and films and some music which I torrented after getting my mac. So since most of that can be replaced easily enough given time, I'm tempted not to bother with file recovery. But I'll check this place out anyway and see what they want to charge for their services. I doubt it'll be worth it though. blarg.

Quote from: "C-Chan"As for your laptop, what are its specs?
Even if it's old, there are plenty of Linux distros that can give it some pretty respectable mileage. For example, if you love the look and feel of MacOSX, you might want to give DreamLinux a try

My laptop is about mid range I guess, I can't remember it's exact specs off hand and I can't be bothered to check right now xD It's biggest limitation isn't it's speed or processing power (for a laptop, it seems to handle everything pretty well) but its HD size; it's only 40gb, which was why I got the mac in the first place =/ Partitioning such a small HD is a no-go really cos of how much junk I save. I did run a Ubuntu live disk off it last year though, which was nice. Since Apple weren't complete dicks about repair (they were actually really good... well by tech support standards anyway ;)) I'll be sticking with Apple for now. So for now at least, Linux is probably once again a "one day" thing :p

* goes back to installing software again -_- *
Title: switching to Apple?
Post by: C-Chan on September 23, 2007, 08:45:58 PM
QuoteI'm in a place that rhymes with "Wish a fin"

Darn!  Wish you'd said "Win a Pig", I could've guessed Winnepeg!  ^v^

*drum roll*

*laughs at own joke*  ^V^

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QuoteWell my mac is back :P

That's good news, I think. ^^

QuoteThe tech goon says it was, and I quote, "catastrophic disk failure" -__- Not really what I wanted to hear, but was pretty much what I was expecting. They've simply swapped the old HD out and put a new one in. As expected, file recovery isn't covered by warranty, but they've given me my old HD back and recommended me a recovery specialist to take it to if I want to do that.

Hmmm,... well that's kinda what we thought, but I'm still wondering if the drive data is entirely irretrievable (e.g., if the actual hard drive needle broke off).  If that's the case, yeah not even a distro could help.  ^^;

QuoteBut after some musing, I've more or less decided against it. I haven't lost anything that can't be replaced sooner or later, it's more of an inconvenience than anything else since everything on my laptop (which is everything pre-Mac without my pic archive) and my external HD (which is most of my anime, films, manga, etc) are still here. Stuff that has been lost includes the vast bulk of my pic archive (DO NOT WANT) some uni junk, more anime and films and some music which I torrented after getting my mac. So since most of that can be replaced easily enough given time, I'm tempted not to bother with file recovery. But I'll check this place out anyway and see what they want to charge for their services. I doubt it'll be worth it though. blarg.

Well that kinda depends on the UK.  ^__^
In Mexico, for example, people still try to get their appliances/cars/etc fixed no matter what, so repair costs tend to not be as high as in the Shates.  

QuoteMy laptop is about mid range I guess, I can't remember it's exact specs off hand and I can't be bothered to check right now xD It's biggest limitation isn't it's speed or processing power (for a laptop, it seems to handle everything pretty well) but its HD size; it's only 40gb, which was why I got the mac in the first place =/ Partitioning such a small HD is a no-go really cos of how much junk I save. I did run a Ubuntu live disk off it last year though, which was nice. Since Apple weren't complete dicks about repair (they were actually really good... well by tech support standards anyway ) I'll be sticking with Apple for now. So for now at least, Linux is probably once again a "one day" thing

* goes back to installing software again -_- *

ONLY 40GB!!!  @o@;

Wow, I feel old.  ^^;

I just finished working with an 8GB machine and a 20GB machine.  No real problems with the respective Linux distros, but then all the free software really doesn't require much space to begin with.  ^^;

Yeah, from my Genius Bar visit, I can vouch that Apple Tech support is really good.  (heck, the dude not only knew Linux, but BSD too!  far out man!)  ^v^
We had a blast, but yeah,... would be nice if they had the facilities to recover hard drives.
Or it's probably too rare to be cost-efficient.  ^.^
Title: switching to Apple?
Post by: Tsubashi on September 23, 2007, 09:02:10 PM
Glad your mac is back, though "catastrophic disk failure" is a little bit vague. I'm glad it went relatively smooth, though ^-^

QuoteONLY 40GB!!! @o@;

Wow, I feel old. ^^;

I think about half of my systems are pouting now. 40 GiB would be a mansion for them. ^^'

QuoteYeah, from my Genius Bar visit, I can vouch that Apple Tech support is really good. (heck, the dude not only knew Linux, but BSD too! far out man!) ^v^

Those Apple Genius Bars are Uber-cool. I wish there was one closer so I could go more often! It's really funny when they can give you better pointers for windows than the CompUSA tech guy ^.^
Title: switching to Apple?
Post by: nicoruizmza on October 23, 2007, 08:49:40 PM
My personal recomendation is that you buy a Pc with linux and install Windows on it and ready.

That is my opinion. The Mac PC is ugly for me.
Title: switching to Apple?
Post by: Alfamille on October 24, 2007, 12:03:25 PM
CONGRATULATIONS!!!

...on having your Mac back.


Just to tell you, "catastrophic disk failures" are very common in computer repair shops whatever your computer brand is. Although, it would be always good if you have another external HD or maybe store your important files into a DVD/CD or even upload it into a webserver (if you have one). I know it is really frustrating when you are caught in a situation like this in which you never ever saw it coming. I've experienced this problem once on my HP desktop and to tell you, I can really see a lot of customers inside computer repair shops who have the same problem. Actually most of this  repair shops would recieve a cry for help on either; a) motherboard and power supply problem b) disk failures.

But the important thing is, you've decided for them to take a look and best of all, they have given you the best support they can offer you...and witnessed it by yourself.  ;019  Glad that you stick to Apple and at least liked a little bit of their services.

Now let's go on and move forward!  ;010
Title: switching to Apple?
Post by: C-Chan on October 24, 2007, 10:29:18 PM
Speaking of moving forward,... I'm scheduled to be at Leopard-chan's birthday celebration after all!!!  ^v^

WOOOOOHOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!  ^0^

Mind you, I still don't plan to get a Mac myself until I can get my hands on a long overdue Tablet Mac.  ^.^

.....

On the other hand, buying something for my bro is a different story....  -v-
Title: switching to Apple?
Post by: Nidas on November 20, 2007, 05:47:51 AM
* late post is laaaaaaate *

The disk retrieval guys turned out to be more expensive than a lowly student such as myself can afford so I didn't bother with them in the end.

Just as an added aside, to Apple's credit they did get the HD replaced and the mac back in action very quickly, so if anyone thinking of getting a mac is being put off getting one by my horror story here, don't worry, I have atrocious luck :P

Quote from: "C-Chan"ONLY 40GB!!! @o@;

Wow, I feel old. ^^;

I just finished working with an 8GB machine and a 20GB machine. No real problems with the respective Linux distros, but then all the free software really doesn't require much space to begin with. ^^;

I have lots of junk I always like to keep on hand :P
Title: switching to Apple?
Post by: C-Chan on November 20, 2007, 10:20:10 AM
Quote* late post is laaaaaaate *

The disk retrieval guys turned out to be more expensive than a lowly student such as myself can afford so I didn't bother with them in the end.

Just as an added aside, to Apple's credit they did get the HD replaced and the mac back in action very quickly, so if anyone thinking of getting a mac is being put off getting one by my horror story here, don't worry, I have atrocious luck :P

Yo Nidas-kun!!  It's been a LOOOOOOOOOONG time!  Glad to see everything's back in working order....  ^.^

You missed so much since,... like me buying a copy of Leopard and expounding upon the virtues of a TouchMac and swooning over Pu-chan and the like.  ^__^

Foregoed a Mac to buy an Asus 3ePC....

(http://www.mrandersonmd.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/06/asus_eee.jpg)

...but the moment a TouchMac is released, I'll be first in line.  ^.^
(although I think I've said that about half a million times already.  ^^'