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Title: Amiga OS 4.0 final released
Post by: Raffaele the Amigan on December 25, 2006, 05:50:35 PM
From the original announce by Hyperion:

Quote"Hyperion Entertainment is very pleased to announce (http://www.hyperion-entertainment.biz:8080/news/2006-12-24) the immediate availability (for registered AmigaOne customers) of Amiga OS 4.0 (http://www.amigaos4.com/), The Final Update. Originally released in May of 2004, Amiga OS 4.0 is the most stable, modern and feature-rich incarnation to date of the multi-media centric operating system launched by Commodore Business Machines (CBM) in 1985 with which it still retains a high degree of compatibility. Amiga OS 4.0, The Final Update is the culmination of 5 years of development and takes the form of a stand-alone ISO image which contains a full installation of all Amiga OS 4.0 components. A list of new features can be found here (http://www.hyperion-entertainment.biz:8080/news/2006-12-24-feat). Availability of PowerPC hardware suitable for operation with Amiga OS 4.0 will be announced by third parties early 2007."

Two images from users at their first re-installation of OS 4.0 final.

http://amigaworld.net/modules/myalbum/photo.php?lid=448&full=1

http://www.ikirsector.it/im/amiga/os4final1.jpg

Icons must be Jobbo Icons design.
Title: Amiga OS 4.0 final released
Post by: Silentbob on December 25, 2006, 06:04:34 PM
Wah, that's kinda incredible.  :D  

Too bad my Amigas can't run it though.  :(
Title: Amiga OS 4.0 final released
Post by: Raffaele the Amigan on December 25, 2006, 06:10:56 PM
Have you a PPC updated classic old Amiga?
Title: Amiga OS 4.0 final released
Post by: Silentbob on December 25, 2006, 06:31:41 PM
Nope, I'm still on 68k.  (A1200 with 68030/50 and A4000 with 68040/25).  

So no OS4 for me.
Title: Amiga OS 4.0 final released
Post by: Raffaele the Amigan on December 25, 2006, 06:41:48 PM
Quote from: "Silentbob"Nope, I'm still on 68k.  (A1200 with 68030/50 and A4000 with 68040/25).  

So no OS4 for me.

Bad luck!

With an Amiga classic powered with PPC, then at least you could had run MorphOS for PowerUP.

And even if AmigaOS 4.0 version for old PowerPC expanded Amigas is actually  available only for developers, I think that soon they will release it for free...

Well, keep collecting some money, it seems that soon AmigaOS 4.0 will be available on this platform:

http://www.sam440.com/eng/index.html

Which will be sold at 399 Euro complete with a version of Amiga OS 4.0.
Title: Amiga OS 4.0 final released
Post by: C-Chan on December 25, 2006, 07:17:53 PM
*cheers with giddy laughter*

About freaking time!!  
YEAH!!!  Amiga-sama is finally going 4.0!!!  ^v^

Perfect timing soon, since I'm working on another rendition of Amiga-tan as we speak.  ^__^
Only this time, given that it's for a special occasion, I decided to doll her up a bit.  Dressed up for a "gala" event, so to speak....  Ã,¬vÃ,¬

Hyperion's announcement makes for another very good reason.  ^__^
Title: Amiga OS 4.0 final released
Post by: Raffaele the Amigan on December 25, 2006, 09:08:34 PM
Some other random images:

http://img530.imageshack.us/img530/2097/os4screen1np2.png

http://img463.imageshack.us/img463/2830/os4screen2os7.png
Title: Amiga OS 4.0 final released
Post by: C-Chan on December 25, 2006, 09:54:26 PM
Bless your heart, Raffaele-san.  ^^

I noticed AmigaOS4 has an awful lot of blue in its GUI.  I guess I wasn't wrong to make blue Amiga-tan's tertiary color, after red and white.

I was originally planning on making her gala dress red, but why not blue instead?  Hmmm.....

*ponders*

I might have to end up trying both.  -v-

Or maybe,.....  ^___^

*ponders more dramatic scheme*
Title: Amiga OS 4.0 final released
Post by: CaptBrenden on December 25, 2006, 11:00:15 PM
honestly I think we should be ashamed of you pig.  You claim to support amiga-tan so much but you didnt know this was coming

-_-
Title: Amiga OS 4.0 final released
Post by: Raffaele the Amigan on December 26, 2006, 04:54:14 AM
Quote from: "C-Chan"Bless your heart, Raffaele-san.  ^^

I noticed AmigaOS4 has an awful lot of blue in its GUI.  I guess I wasn't wrong to make blue Amiga-tan's tertiary color, after red and white.

Default color of Amiga desktop was blue and white, 15 years before than Windows XP.

It was choosen by Commodore technicians because it it the best combination of colors to be seen even on mangled television sets.

In those times the technicians team arranged by Commodore so fast & furiously was working on just already purchased Amiga technology to show it worldwide for the first time.

They collected all sort of worst television sets, then they tested all these televisions with Amiga, and in the end they choosen blue and white main scheme palette...

It seems their work it was sure apprecciated nowadays (well, about 5 years ago to be precise) by Microsoft technicians.
Why? Just because they predates a similar color scheme for Windows XP.

(http://www.amigahistory.co.uk/wb12.gif)

(http://johnbokma.com/mexit/2005/10/26/windows-xp-pro-vmware-player-1.png)

No complains about it. It is just another feature that Windows predates form alien oses, and comes far from other famous predations like taskbar and tray icons from ArthurOS/RiscOS and NeXT and BeOS, and notorious Guru Meditation screen from Amiga changed to various "Screens of Death" in different Windows versions.

Now it is the time for XP for "picking" same colors of ancient Amigas... How such some villains!

Well, and perhaps, to stay in topic, I think you had studied old Workbench GUI from Amiga, and had noticed ancient 1.x Amiga Workbench images or not?

Had you studied?  ;018

Quote
I was originally planning on making her gala dress red, but why not blue instead?  Hmmm.....

*ponders*

I might have to end up trying both.  -v-

Or maybe,.....  ^___^

*ponders more dramatic scheme*

Just paint as your taste suggests you a clue!

Speaking personally I hate that awful blu from AmigaOS 4.0. It is AmigaOS 1.x water-washed in a cleaning machine and just shows me that in AmigaOS 4.0 team there is none with good taste to choose a gorgeous color scheme.

Even icons are awful from my taste and judging from my point of view (well, just from MY point of view). They are just clear and plain, but without any sort of personality.

It is a declaration!

Hyperion declarate they don't care of the GUI schemes, because any user could adjust it to match their personal preferences.

Added after 11 minutes:

Quote from: "CaptBrenden"honestly I think we should be ashamed of you pig.  You claim to support amiga-tan so much but you didnt know this was coming

-_-

My fault Captain, just a fault of mine.

I have heard that for Christmas all Amigans will had received a gift from Santa Claus.

But it seemed too much good for me to imagine it was the final release of AmigaOS 4.0 at least complete.

And I am also to be blamed because I even received some clues from italian beta-testers of AmigaOS 4.0 but I never trusted them.
Title: Amiga OS 4.0 final released
Post by: C-Chan on December 26, 2006, 11:35:28 AM
Quotehonestly I think we should be ashamed of you pig. You claim to support amiga-tan so much but you didnt know this was coming

QuoteMy fault Captain, just a fault of mine.

I have heard that for Christmas all Amigans will had received a gift from Santa Claus.

But it seemed too much good for me to imagine it was the final release of AmigaOS 4.0 at least complete.

And I am also to be blamed because I even received some clues from italian beta-testers of AmigaOS 4.0 but I never trusted them.

Oh yeah, and don't forget to blame the Captain himself.  ^__^
He literally forced me at gunpoint (more like grill spatula) to work on the Prophet, the Goddess and the Holy Kitten, so naturally that takes resources away from Amiga-sama.  ^___^

[chiding]  Bad Captain, very bad Captain. No delicious cake for you.  `v'

QuoteHad you studied?  

Sorta,... that's how I came up with the blue hat and shorts.  ^__^
But I'm definitely no Amigan.  -v-

Yet....  ^^

QuoteJust paint as your taste suggests you a clue!

Speaking personally I hate that awful blu from AmigaOS 4.0. It is AmigaOS 1.x water-washed in a cleaning machine and just shows me that in AmigaOS 4.0 team there is none with good taste to choose a gorgeous color scheme.

Even icons are awful from my taste and judging from my point of view (well, just from MY point of view). They are just clear and plain, but without any sort of personality.

It is a declaration!

Hyperion declarate they don't care of the GUI schemes, because any user could adjust it to match their personal preferences.

Something like Ambient would've been nicer, true -- but I don't think it's that bad.  The icons do look like lifeless CG from the early 90's, but some have curious amount of detail.  The default eComStation 1.2 GUI looks worse, yet I still made her into a pretty young lass somehow.  ^__^

I'll try both then (it's easy to switch colors with vectors), but the idea also occurred to me for something original that only Amiga-tan would be daring enough to wear....

Color phasing clothing.  -v-

Imagine a gorgeous ballroom-style dress that gradually and imperceptively changes color.  It could be blue for an extended period of time, but the phase shift is so subtle it'd be too late for you to realize it's suddenly red.  Or green or yellow or violet, etc.  -v-

Course, that's impossible to depict in a still image,... but should be doable if I use shape tweening in Flash.  -v-
Title: Amiga OS 4.0 final released
Post by: C-Chan on December 28, 2006, 11:25:41 PM
Okay, we're done with the immediate celebration... *cough cough*... and now it's time to kick off the OS4.0 one!  ^___^

Thanks to the prior celebration,... *cough cough* ...I rushed to complete this rough sketch of my new Amiga-san pic.  Clearly it still needs:

- shading,
- highlights,
- anatomical fixes,
- clothing fixes,
- hair fixes,
- and a few more bells & whistles


And I probably won't add these till much later since I still have so many other projects to finish.  

But at least this is a good first attempt at depicting her gala dress form -- we're starting off first with the wine red color I originally planned (there's also some white parts as well, but ME-tan is blocking the view), but I'll try and sneak in some blue and color-phasing later to see if they work better or not.  ^^

(http://www.verytragicalmirth.com/Images/MEAmiga.png)

Just some quick trivia:

1 - The dress might be my way of representing Miggy's 4.0 incarnation, but for now it's just her "gala dress". Story-wise, the dress is a gift from all the Binteji-tans in an attempt to doll her up for a date-o. ^__^

2 - Her hair has been completely restyled, of course, but I should point out that the two small frontal bangs that wisp towards her face are in the same style as TripOS-tan's. In essence, this new mature look for Amiga makes her look a bit more like her mother.

3 - GEM OS-tan hand-crafted those crystal boing-ball earrings, a gift from a fellow GUI pioneer. ^__^

4 - It's hard to see it in this resolution, but her necklace is composed of a series of topaz butterflies and ruby cat heads. A reference to MorphOS and AROS which Amiga-san wears with pride. -v-

5 - I should probably remind everyone that ME-chan is short but not THAT short. Amiga-san just happens to be very very tall.  ^^;
Title: Amiga OS 4.0 final released
Post by: Silentbob on December 29, 2006, 06:36:03 AM
Waah....   ;133  ;079

*worships at the altar of Amiga-tan*

*gives all his internets to C-Chan*

And oh yeah...

*swoons*

Even though it's unfinished, you have again outdone yourself.  

*worships some more*
Title: Amiga OS 4.0 final released
Post by: C-Chan on December 29, 2006, 06:46:54 AM
Hehe.... I take it you like the more mature-looking Amiga?  ^_____^
Title: Amiga OS 4.0 final released
Post by: Silentbob on December 29, 2006, 06:50:11 AM
Yes, yes.  Mature is good.  :D

(But a loli is fine too... I think.   ;026 )
Title: Amiga OS 4.0 final released
Post by: C-Chan on December 29, 2006, 08:45:09 AM
Loli, eh....  Ã,¬vÃ,¬

One day I'll draw her with the other Commodore-tans in a 1980's historical picture, so she'll definitely be younger then.  But not that much younger, so I guess that's a bad example.  ^^'

*ponders*

....Well.... there's always MorphOS-chan and little AROS-chan.  ^___^;
Title: Amiga OS 4.0 final released
Post by: Silentbob on December 29, 2006, 09:03:17 AM
I'm sorry, but I think 4chan corrupted me.  Which is good according to them, though I'm not entirely sure...   ;085

Looking forward to the next picture.   :D
Title: Amiga OS 4.0 final released
Post by: Raffaele the Amigan on December 30, 2006, 11:07:57 AM
What I can say?

BEEEAUTIFUL!


(See you soon ostan-fans!)
Title: Amiga OS 4.0 final released
Post by: Exa on December 30, 2006, 11:52:36 AM
And I thought no OS-tan can compete with XP-tan...

Amiga-tan is beautiful! ;175 I hope we can see her more!
Title: Amiga OS 4.0 final released
Post by: C-Chan on December 30, 2006, 03:53:54 PM
Thank you all!  ^___^
I'll try my best to finish up the other loose ends quickly so I can finish this one (still need to do a color check, though).

But what's this,...?
Someone who so far has been deprived of Amiga goodness?  @.@

My dear Exa, ...you should've told me your heart yearned for sweet, adoring Amiga-san.  ^__^

Here are the current renditions available for her that I pulled from the Annex (not including the top one):

(http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g2/C-Chan_2006/AmigaOS.gif)
C-chan's Picture #1 (http://ostan-collections.net/imeeji/albums/userpics/10570/Amiga-tan.png)
C-chan's Post-Concept Chibi Rendition (http://ostan-collections.net/imeeji/albums/userpics/10570/ChibiAmiga.png)
Aurora's Rendition (http://home.mchsi.com/~toastgirl222/randomstuff/ch-amigatan.jpg)
C-chan's Wiki Avatar Scrap Art (http://ostan-collections.net/imeeji/albums/userpics/10570/Scrapart1.png)
C-chan's C64 & Amiga "Sisterly Love" Portraiture (http://ostan-collections.net/imeeji/albums/userpics/10570/C64-Amiga.jpg)
C-chan's C64 & Amiga "Sisterly Love" Portraiture Version 2 (http://ostan-collections.net/imeeji/albums/userpics/10570/C64-Amiga%7E0.jpg)
Title: Amiga OS 4.0 final released
Post by: Silentbob on December 30, 2006, 04:09:04 PM
Btw, just ran into another Amiga user, and he has seen Amiga-tan already.  Your art is seemingly being discovered by the Amiga community.   ;010
Title: Amiga OS 4.0 final released
Post by: SleepyD on December 30, 2006, 04:57:40 PM
well, well, C-chan is getting famous. ^^

design is great! Jeff awaits a non-rushed version now. now where would the blue go, I wonder.... Ooh, ribbons. Flowy ribbonz. XD
Title: Amiga OS 4.0 final released
Post by: C-Chan on December 30, 2006, 06:05:10 PM
QuoteBtw, just ran into another Amiga user, and he has seen Amiga-tan already. Your art is seemingly being discovered by the Amiga community.

Wow, really?  'o'

I take back what I said once to Raffaele-san then,... there can be a decent-sized OS-tan following among the Amigans (and Golders).  ^___^
Just hope they don't mind the absence of any squirrel references, but I'll try to remedy that further down the line.  -v-

This really does make me very happy, and I hope they're happy too that they're system is not being left out of the loop in the OS-tan community.  ^__^

I told Raffaele-san the story of how I first got into OS-tans and how I was debating whether to draw Amiga-tan first or Unix-sama.  In the end, a forum post from 2004 of a poor fellow asking about an Amiga-tan or a ZX-Spectrum-tan -- and getting the cold shoulder in return -- eventually decided for me.  ^__^

(That, and Unix-sama would've been too hard to draw just fresh out of my 2-year lull.  -v-')

Quotewell, well, C-chan is getting famous. ^^

design is great! Jeff awaits a non-rushed version now. now where would the blue go, I wonder.... Ooh, ribbons. Flowy ribbonz. XD

Now now, don't belittle your accomplishments.  When you and Darknight took time away from your work to draw renditions of OS/2-tan, that was all the fame I could ever ask for.  Arigatou!  ^v^

And you're right, the design was very rushed to meet the Piktin deadline.  But if I can spend some time with it, I'll try this to give it a dreamy-look (with haze, flowers and those sparkly things you see in all those yuri images)....  ^__^'

I'll do a color test later to see if the wine red color is okay, or if another color is more appropriate for the gown.  But indeed, the ribbons holding her hair will be blue no matter what, and I suppose it'd be kinda cool if they were long and flowy as well.  To help accentuate the pigtails.  ^.^

Either way, it is key to start diversifying Amiga-tan's clothing a little in future renditions, since her "pizzeria" look is really just her artist's clothes and as everyone knows by now AmigaOS is a multirole operating system.  ^__^

Will OS4.0 be more or less that?  I wonder....  '__'
Title: Amiga OS 4.0 final released
Post by: Exa on December 31, 2006, 06:34:16 AM
Thank you for all the pics, C-Chan! How can I requite your kindness and helpfulness? I'll do everything!  ;173  (Well, until that thing is possible...)
Title: Amiga OS 4.0 final released
Post by: C-Chan on December 31, 2006, 07:48:10 AM
Fufu... just help spread the word my friend, and it's all good.  -v-
When Windows-tans outnumber Mac, Linux and other OS-tans (including Amiga and OS/2) by a ratio of 19 to 1, I need all the help I can get.  ^__^'

For the other emerging OS-tans that need your luv, don't forget to visit the Annex:

http://ostan-collections.net/viewtopic.php?p=10779&view=first

A friend of one of my coworkers is selling two old computer systems for dirt cheap.  I advised them to donate them to a school or something first, but if that wasn't successful I could probably adopt at least one of them.  Unfortunately they're not PPCs yet, so I still won't get a non-emulated platform for Amiga or MorphOS.  But maybe I can set it up as a dedicated AROS machine?  '__'

MUCH later on, of course....  [I barely have time to fiddle with my Xubuntu....)  Ã,¬vÃ,¬'
Title: Amiga OS 4.0 final released
Post by: Exa on December 31, 2006, 08:15:30 AM
This is a hard mission (most of my acquaintances use WinXP, a few of them stick with different Linuxes), but I'll do my best! (A hard mission is better than a ridiculously easy one :) )

Also, I looked the profile of Amiga-tan (or AmigaOS-tan)... Wow, she is that tall?  182 cm?  o_o  That means I need to look up to her not only because of honor but literally too!  ;)
Title: Amiga OS 4.0 final released
Post by: C-Chan on December 31, 2006, 11:30:17 AM
QuoteThis is a hard mission (most of my acquaintances use WinXP, a few of them stick with different Linuxes), but I'll do my best! (A hard mission is better than a ridiculously easy one  )

Thank you.  ^__^
If it helps, I've also drawn at least one XP-tan (the one in the Topicless Thread (http://ostan-collections.net/viewtopic.php?p=10776#10776)) and one Linux-tan on the main page (http://ostan-collections.net/images/gallery_icon.jpg), with a few more Linux distros slated for later renditions.  ^__^
So if Amiga-san doesn't suit their tastes, I've got or can make many more OS-tans that might.  ^.^

(I want to make a Xubuntu-tan, for example.  -v-)

QuoteAlso, I looked the profile of Amiga-tan (or AmigaOS-tan)... Wow, she is that tall? 182 cm?  That means I need to look up to her not only because of honor but literally too!

*blushes*  Makes her quite a dish, no?  ^_~
Fufu... true I might've taken a little artistic license with the height (so far, the only OS-tan I've done that too -- all the rest to date are average size or child-types).

But just like memory size influences "breast size", I'm tacitly trying to follow some unwritten rules that would make and shape an OS-tan.

For instance, how fully-featured an operating system is influences how "mature" the OS-tan looks.  The Captain gave the example once of Windows 3.1-sama and XP-tan -- 3.1-sama is over a decade older, but because she wasn't that feature-rich (even in her era) she has a child-type body, whereas XP-tan looks more mature and then some.  ^^;

Amiga was a system way ahead of its time, providing features that back in 1985 were only readily available to commercial and academic systems, and wouldn't become standard in home PCs till almost 10 years later.  In an era full of child-type OS-tans for personal use (e.g., MS-DOS, Commodore 64, Apple II, Mac System 1, Atari 8-bit, ZX Spectrum, etc.), she clearly stood out as the most mature-looking and well endowed (cause her memory size is puny today, but back then it was... respectable).  ^___^

The extra boost in her height is just to reflect her overall hardware, which was of extremely high quality, but also very expensive and difficult to find (not unlike how a real tall woman has difficulty finding clothing -- at least prior to the Internet).  So while Amiga-san turned a lot of heads and wooed a huge loyal following, she also might've inadvertently scared off other users who were too intimidated by so much power and expense.  

That, and Commodore International screwed up a lot with her marketing.  ^___^
Title: Amiga OS 4.0 final released
Post by: NewYinzer on December 31, 2006, 01:08:32 PM
QuoteThat, and Commodore International screwed up a lot with her marketing. ^___^

It's just like they say - if Commodore had to market KFC, they would have called it "warm dead bird".
Title: Amiga OS 4.0 final released
Post by: C-Chan on December 31, 2006, 04:53:25 PM
Haha!  I remember that!  ^v^
(when you said it, and talked about the commercials... not actually seeing the 80's work).  -v-'

Yes, Commodore was SO successful, they decided to shoot themselves in the foot to ease the rampaging success of their computer systems.  ^__^
And then people wonder why Microsoft managed to take over the world....  ^___^

(M$ being the darling child of all the manufacturing companies -- Intel and PNY, for example.)  ^v^'

From what I've read in AmigaWiki, as well as what Raffaele-san told me, it would seem that the companies that took Amiga-san in after Commodore's fall weren't any better.  ;__;
Even Hyperion has seriously botched their 4.0 release, which is why it's a miracle they actually managed to release SOMETHING final.  ^__^

Poor Amiga-san's life has been one cruel drama after another, and yet she still has the energy to remain friendly,cheerful and optimistic.  

*sniff*  Bless your heart, you poor poor girl.....  ;v.;
Title: Amiga OS 4.0 final released
Post by: Silentbob on December 31, 2006, 07:43:18 PM
Yeah, one company just wanted to scavenge Amiga-tans internal organs and use them for some kind of impersonal set-top box.   Absolutely barbaric!   ;014
Title: Amiga OS 4.0 final released
Post by: C-Chan on January 01, 2007, 04:03:37 PM
Those savages.  \__/
You don't mean Escom or the Cow Company (=Gateway) do you?
Title: Amiga OS 4.0 final released
Post by: Silentbob on January 01, 2007, 06:06:11 PM
No, this was a company called VisCorp.
Title: Amiga OS 4.0 final released
Post by: C-Chan on January 01, 2007, 06:45:08 PM
Great, now I'll know who to whack.  -v-

*starts dialing number*

They're still around, right?  'v'
Title: Amiga OS 4.0 final released
Post by: NewYinzer on January 01, 2007, 06:48:28 PM
They're gone (and good riddance):
http://www.amigahistory.co.uk/viscorp.html
Title: Amiga OS 4.0 final released
Post by: C-Chan on January 01, 2007, 07:24:03 PM
BAH!  I have no one left to whack then.... ;___;

What am I gonna do with all this excess hostility....?  -____-

*ponders*

Oh right, whack IBM....  -v-

http://www.os2world.com/cgi-bin/news/viewnews.cgi?category=2&id=1167413469
Title: Amiga OS 4.0 final released
Post by: Exa on January 02, 2007, 12:47:31 AM
Now that's what I call a detailed explanation! Unfortunately, I'm too young to remember those days, but these things make an exactly finished OS-tan (OS-tans still have the most complex design and profile :) )

And thanks for your help, I'll try to accommodate my real life (and my exams  ;178 ) with OS-tans, but this is hard. But there is no life witout problems!  ;012
Title: Amiga OS 4.0 final released
Post by: C-Chan on January 02, 2007, 07:05:56 AM
Fufu... no pressure here.  ^__^
I've always said that when VL start interfering with your RL, you might as well tone it down, cause otherwise you won't be able to lead either one of them right.  ^v^'

In any case, that's all I've got to say about that.  -.-
Title: Amiga OS 4.0 final released
Post by: Exa on January 03, 2007, 07:39:18 AM
No, this is not the case. I think I can balance my VL and RL, so if something goes wrong in one of them, it's not because the other one  ;)
But sometimes I think 24 hours are just not enough :D