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[NejinOniwa]

Ara, so that was you, yinz? As i said, i DO get the impression of an impending brainwash from all that...

Anyways, I'll have to agree with SleepyD; The guys we're dealing with are worse than a bunch of rabid, reality-blind fanboys.

[NewYinzer]

Hehe...so I've been found out! I think Waha6x36 finally got what was coming to him! Let's just hope we haven't been ired in the minds of Wakachan!

[CaptBrenden]

-_- *deep breath* calm... relaxed...


now that Im calm... can I knidly ask what people who participated in that felt they were acomplishing?  ESPECIALY the bit about take the argument here?  

I for one, do not want them here if they have the hate flame mentality.  Reson does not work on people like that so do not invite them here to do it, and do not engage in it there.  Last thing we need is BAD plublicity from flame wars.   Learn from that one, take heed of what was said (some arguments they made are in line with what ive said before, with us stamping a logo on things a bit too much...)  but dont do it again.  PLEASE dont do it again.  

If such a thread pops up here, say someone from waka wants to start some stuff here.. DO NOT POST in that thread.  Period.  Any hateful malicious flamewar thread created or posted on os-tan collections will be deleated.  I need not mention what may happen to anyone that participates in any such flame warring on here.

There are people out there that will not agree with our opinons, that is a fact of the internet.  We need to have thick skins and ignore them.  No good will come of flame wars.  Keep this in mind for those of you that post on Waka as well.

[C-Chan]

WHAT THE HECK HAVE YOU GUYS BEEN DOING OVER THERE?!!!!!!!!!  >__<

*breathes in*

Okay,... this was really one helluva day to pick for such gawd-awful weather....  Ã,¬___Ã,¬

Thanks Captain for speaking my mind,... I just have a couple of things to say myself.  -___-

Listen, I'm not up to date with all the stuff that's been posted over there, and I'm not gonna ask who posted my stuff there since you're free to do whatever the heck you want with it.  However, there's a perfectly valid reason why I don't, and I guess you had to find that out the hard way.  `__'

Wish that were the end of the story, but seems you've let yourselves be influenced by a bunch of unproductive........ people...... in a NET CHARACTERS imageboard (hardly even about OS-tans anymore), where most of them won't even make the effort to find even a single creative bone in their body.  If left up to them, they'd rather leave the burden of creative content to our Japanese friends, and conform every forum, imageboard, and website to whatever warped ideal they have about OS-tan appreciation -- and even THEN they would still find ways to whine and bitch about it later.

THAT isn't a fun internet meme anymore,... THAT is just some funktified religion.  Sorry, but this pig is secular.  -.-

But I still don't mind that....

What I do mind is how quick some of you have been to slap around the culture we've helped build here.  Was I deluded to think that we were actually COHESIVE, and willing to CREATE new things?  From the hollow shell I joined in not but a year ago, to the bustling metroplis of activity I can barely keep up with now,... are you so willing to suggest that it can come toppling down just because chronic whiners and bitchers whined and bitched about it a little?

You want to open this forum to anonymous users to promote more original art?  SURE, go right ahead....
Just D-A-Z-Z-L-E me with the amount of original drawings posted on Wakachan (and yeah, include Frida in it, why dontcha?).  -v-
As far as I can tell, 98% of the material posted in Net Characters are just reposts -- if I want reposts, I might as well just keep visitng them!

Will that attract Japanese artists?  Doesn't seem to be working in their case, so how could that change here?  We barely got ONE in the whole year, and he was looking for an OS-tan not available in Japan.....  Ã,¬vÃ,¬

You don't want this forum to be a disgrace?  Then simply don't ACT like it's a disgrace.  Feel free to change and evolve as much as you feel it's necessary, but do so respecting what makes us strong and unique.  

We target a completely different demographic with a completely different vision of what we want to be.  You want an English-speaking OS-tan imageboard?  Waka always be around to satisfy your needs -- no need to create two such environments.  

Combine the yin and the yang together, and there's balance.

Now then, time to do a little damage assessment.... -__-

*trots off thread*

[CaptBrenden]

C-Chan, if you have the time, go to IRC, we are discussing it right now with most of the senior or most active members.

[C-Chan]

Sorry Captain,... I want to join, but between a horrible commute, all that shoveling and then this crap, I'm really spent and bummed out.  I'm only typing posts tonight to ease some concerns here and there, but what I really want to do is go to bed....  -_____-

[CaptBrenden]

okay.. ill tuck you in *runs off to put some lettice and tomato on c-chans bed*

[NewYinzer]

Listen, C-Chan, you need to calm down. Sure, they're a bunch of bitches. However, they bring up a good point - our wiki isn't doing so great. Before you claw out my carcass, start thinking. Our site has been in need of a critic or two. We've been building it up like a golden cow, only to find that in the eyes of some - it's just a bloated cow. I like this site - I'd do whatever to defend it. However, we must be open to criticism. Sure he said a lot of things that are dumb - like how our designs are infringing on Nijiura's copyright. However, he did bring up two important points:
- There are advantages to anonymous posting
- Our wiki isn't that great

Believe me, I take blame for the flame war, for my lack of wiki editing, my old grabs for moderator status, and for my lackluster approach to the forum's welfare recently. I lost my better judgment on a few things, I've been guilty of a few infractions around here. I posted random images for a while trying to damp down the flames of the fire I accidentally lit for myself. But I'd whatever I can to preserve the sanctity of our forum. But before you ride my out of the forum on a train car over this, consider a few things:

- We aren't perfect. As much as we'd like to be, we can't be perfect.
- That former belief shouldn't stop us from pursuing to improve ourselves.

Now, one last comment from the Yinzer:

Would yinz mind if I left?

[CaptBrenden]

No one needs leave over this.. its a one time deal and eye opener.  Learn from it and we will be a better site for it.. but dont go engaging in more flame wars to get more critiques.. its really not a good idea.. we can find a more productive way of doing that.

[SleepyD]

whoa-ho, yinz, like you said, we all make mistakes.

And that argument in itself should keep you here.



And C-Chan when you get back I have this to say:
No one, and I mean no one, is proposing sweeping changes.  (For example, if anonymous posting is allowed at all, it would be in a separate forum) And any changes that will be made will be made with the approval of the community.

So, go get some sleep, and we'll discuss this later when you're not so tired. (Believe me, I'm tired) -o-

[C-Chan]

Thank you everyone for finally settling down a bit on this issue.  -v-

I have no more energy left, so let me just end it by sharing a little something here.  I wanted it to go in AmigaBob's Workbench-tan thread (a la "Infinity_Zero" style image praise), but at this point I think it can have greater relevance here....

http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g2/C-Chan_2006/Amiga1985.jpg

Amiga-tan circa 1985.
The only currently finished snippet from one of the wallpapers I was working on for the contest, which I'm actually going to forfeit since it's clear we need to focus on how the Wiki should be organized, and also we need a refocus on what we want to make of our forum.  You're right, this was an eye-opening experience, and I want to cast aside all distractions to make sure we turn it into a positive one.  -___-

There may be varying opinions about the quality of the art or the choice of OS-tan, but 'm very proud of it and I'll tell you why....

First, of course I'm proud that she's my baby,...
She may not win a popularity contest among purists (in fact, she'd be banned), but I wasted 10 years of my life drawing/collaging other people's work, only to turn back hollow and empty because I betrayed my own ideas AND produced nothing more than forgettable copycats.  I love the Japanese art style so I imitate it, but that's as far as my imitation will go.  The canon OS-tans themselves have more than enough people to care for them, between their own original creators and loyal fans.

But second, I'm proud because this was my first work where I've actively tried to pour in every technique I've learned while being here.  Some soft-shading, variable-width lines, anatomical enhancements, taking my time drawing her carefully at the cost of speed, etc, etc....

I may appear pig-headed sometimes, and I'm sorry if that makes me look and sound offish, but the truth is that nothing that you say to me slips past me, and I'm always grateful for anything said to me with the intent of improving my characters.

To reiterate my mission here, my goal is not artistic pride (if that were the case, I'd leave everyone on the curve to post XP or Vista Seifuku pictures at Waka), but education.  I want people to learn about different systems, and I want everyone to realize that new things can be created and everyone can play a role in that creation.  In addition, as some of you know, I'm also willing to teach people how to draw in the Anime style, if they have no confidence in themselves.  (I yammer on about Inkscape, but if need be I've been known to talk about Photoshop as well.)

If PM me with any questions about viruses or appearances of particular "____"-tans or Japanese translations (even if I don't speak it), I try my best to leave you satisfied even if it costs me a good part of my lunch hour.  If people want to learn to get along as a team, I try my best to help, even if perhaps I'm not the best pig qualified to do that.  I've already entered into two private collaborations, and am happy to note that it's not a one-sided affair, but a mutually beneficial and productive learning experience that I think bodes well for the future of our forum.  ^__^

I want to create things, not destroy.  I want people to feel welcomed here, and I want this place to be as much a good learning experience as it is a place to releax.  You have an OS-tan design that you feel it's crappy, I will help you make it shine somehow.  ^___^
(just be sure to remind the pig, because he is still easily distracted... -v-)
You just want to talk, sure I can do that to.
Bottom line is, I'm here to serve my community, no more no less.  

And that's all I can say,... time for my death rattle.... -v-

Good night everyone....

[fedora-tan]

Ok i didn't read all, because unlike some people i have a real life to handle and to be honnest, tons of real problems lately. But the matter isn't about me. Let's talk about the topic...

About the way this site is managed, i don't think there is any problems with it. When some people say it's a "restricted" forum, please tell me where, since everyone can post everywhere without justifying or paying a cent. If you register with a "mslqksdq" nick, it's fine with me and i think you'll stay anonymous enough. Now, if anyone wants anonymous posting in order to stay hidden, be aware that your IP and headers (even behind a strong proxy) will ALWAYS betray you. So since you can't be anonymous, please don't be childish and act like adults when you have to tell something.

Now, i don't care about the way other boards / imageboards / etc... are managed outside of there. I force nobody to come here, yet i'm happy if people enjoy the place. Other boards allow flame and anonymous posting ? I'm very glad to hear that but that won't be the case here. And i don't care also if "it's not on the spirit" or "fashion". Have you noticed how many moderators there are here ? Only 1. I always refused to have tons of moderators and i think it shows enough i like freedom on a board. But freedom has a price : to act like adults (even if you are not, i talk of responsible actions). Anonymous posting always bring stupid comments and tons of problems. I won't enable that because of fashion.

About the wiki, it's BETA stage, for those who can't / don't want to read. When it'll be opened, then there'll be a link to it and like any wiki, anyone will be able to edit it. The wiki argument is irrevelant to me then.

About imageboard, i will make one, so feel free to use it or not. It'll be there anyway. I don't mind if it's not used, my will is to provide you the tools, you'll be free to use them or not. On Imageboard, there are most chances anonymous posting will be allowed, but there are even more chances that ANY offending posting will lead in a ban. I don't want to have an imageboard with same brain level as some i can see (and sorry about people who feel targeted, since i know there are also smart members in those).

What is freedom ? Freedom is to allow anyone to tell what he/she wants and respect towards others. I believe this board follows this freedom. Asking for a registration is not against freedom. Insulting someone is against freedom. We have many talented people here, and i'm glad they act and create things the way they want and not the way "it should be". Since the start and forever, in this place, everyone will be free to act, talk, think, draw and do anything he/she wants as long as it doesn't go against any other people freedom.

That's my way to think, that's my answer and for me the problem (which wasn't one) is now settled.

Thank you for listening  ;hi

Added after 57 seconds:

I even allowed members to pickup the domain name, isn't that freedom ? How many sites allow you to do that ? ^_^

[Nidas]

This thread has become too serious.

[fedora-tan]

I agree, let's start the usual chitchat again ^_^

[NejinOniwa]

*comes out of hiding*

Phew! Thought i was gon' DIE, ssu!